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Tuesday, June 23, 2015

Brainstorm with Roosh

VOX: Now, recently you've begun talking a bit more about spirituality, which I have to say strikes me as a little strange coming as it does from a notoriously hedonistic agnostic individual. What is the source of this shift in emphasis? Is it related to what you are talking about?

ROOSH: The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom, and only by crossing the line, by going way beyond my sexual and entertainment needs, have I seen where the line is. Most of my life I have based on the scientific way, facts and logic, but it wasn't giving me the answers. I don’t see the answers and I see some of it is wrong. People are structuring their life on science that in 100 years, 500 years, 5,000 years, will be shown to be a joke. Just like how humans used to think the earth was flat. People right now think that just because a study came out that this is fact, but it's not. So, what can we learn, or what is the best way to live? I think the best way to come up with that is to look at how humans have lived for thousands of years. A book like the Bible was a guide that was a manual for billions of people and it still is. It has been used for so long that maybe there is something in it that I should look at. So, I am reading it now.

VOX: It will probably astonish thousands of people to hear that! Whether you are talking about the Bible, the Ancient Greeks, or Heian Japan, there is an awful lot of wisdom to be found there simply because they lived. We don’t need to reinvent every single thought about the wheel.

ROOSH: What I don't get is why modern Western culture has been so quick to throw all that away. Throwing everything away for this experimental way to live. I am reading some of the old stuff and it makes sense. It makes sense! And I look at what the media and the universities are showing us now and I see Bruce Jenner being celebrated for being mentally ill, and I think I am going insane here! It doesn’t make sense why this is happening. We are living in a weird time and it scares me. I’m not even there in the USA and I am thinking that maybe on the ground it is not that bad, but then I go there to visit and it is that bad. People are now reciting talking points that five years ago I would have said are weird. Now it is part of the general audience and in how they act. Now people are calling everything sexist. I remember in the US last year, I heard a woman use the word microaggression and I thought that was a joke the first time I heard it. Now it is becoming common and I am thinking, man, I don't know how it is getting here and I wish I could stop it but I can’t. (Laughs) What we have to do as men is hold on. This is not going to end well.


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77 Comments:

Blogger Michael Maier June 23, 2015 8:09 AM  

Sadly, ROK seems to be making a weird turn. Them pushing that supplement in what looks like articles is very annoying.

Blogger Rek. June 23, 2015 8:11 AM  

Not from the States. Only ever been there twice for a very short period of time.

Is it really that bad, aren't there any good places left? What about places like Utah (Salt Lake) or Colorado? Two states (mostly white, mostly conservative, mostly traditionally religious), I've been considering for relocation from Belgium.

Anonymous gimmefreeshit June 23, 2015 8:13 AM  

"Sadly, ROK seems to be making a weird turn. Them pushing that supplement in what looks like articles is very annoying."

how dare they try to make money.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 23, 2015 8:26 AM  

Colorado has been over run with immigrants (of the hispanic variety) and liberals. It's turning into California, and surprisingly rapidly.

Wyoming, on the other hand, still has some sense.

Anonymous Mike M. June 23, 2015 8:37 AM  

Rek, there are many excellent places to live. Just stay out of the large cities.

My personal list of Best States would include Texas, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North and South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alaska. But there are a lot of others that are nearly as good.

Back to the topic....this is why you study history. To learn from the mistakes and successes of others. Studying history is like panning for gold, you sift through a lot of mud to find a few flecks of gold. Read a book to obtain one or two insights. But it pays off.

As we say in aviation, "Learn from the mistakes of others, you won't live long enough to learn from your own."

Blogger Nate June 23, 2015 8:47 AM  

I can't wait to hear what Roosh has to say when he gets to Ecclesiastes.

Blogger Raggededge June 23, 2015 9:00 AM  

ROOSH: The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom, and only by crossing the line, by going way beyond my sexual and entertainment needs, have I seen where the line is.

My road to excess has led to a palace of regret. I am envious of those who found Christ at a much earlier age than I did. The whole sow your wild oats thing is from the pit of Satan.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2015 9:03 AM  

Is it really that bad, aren't there any good places left? What about places like Utah (Salt Lake) or Colorado?

I wouldn't think in terms of good states and bad states, because states aren't homogeneous. There are good and bad areas in every state (though in some of the smaller states it may be harder to get far enough away from the bad areas). Take a look at any voting map that's broken down by county. For instance, downstate rural Illinois is a lot more like neighboring Kentucky than it is like Chicago. St. Louis and Kansas City are much more like each other than like the rest of the state between them.

If you're a foreigner visiting the US, you'll see one country if you land in NYC/Chicago/LA and stay there; but you'll see a very different country if you come hang out with me in the Midwest or Nate in the South or David the Good in Florida. That's not to say it's perfect out here in the hinterlands, but it can be pretty good.

Since you said you're from Belgium and mentioned Colorado: Colorado is 23 times larger than Belgium in land area, but has less than half the population, which allows it to be quite diverse (the good kind). You could live in urban Denver, or SWPL/hipster Boulder, or on a ranch where your nearest neighbors are a mile away and everyone carries a gun. Or to use Illinois, since that's what I know: almost 13 times larger than Belgium with just 16% more people. You can live in Chicago, an urban hellhole whose leftist politicians have bankrupted the state government, or in the farm towns in the middle of the state which are still pretty Norman Rockwell, or in the southern part where they recently discovered shoes. I live in Illinois, but I've only been to Chicago twice, and God willing won't ever have to again. US states are bigger than they look on the map, so if you're looking for a place to live, don't pay too much attention to state boundaries. Zoom in closer.

Blogger Owen June 23, 2015 9:11 AM  

My road to excess has led to a palace of regret. I am envious of those who found Christ at a much earlier age than I did.

For a while, I felt the same way. My spiritual maturity isn't where I want it to be and compared to those called earlier in life, it shows.

I came to accept His plan is not going to match what I want. Also, I think calling others later in life shows God's faithfulness and love. When I witness, there's not a lot that shocks me. I hear their sins and recognize my own. I can't know for sure, but I believe God called me later in life so I could more effectively communicate with folks deep in sin, especially pride (my most tempting sin and the sin that led me away from Him).

I think it's great to hear Roosh opening to God.

Roosh, I'm going to pray for you and I'm going to ask my church family to pray for you so you can fulfill God's plan for you and join the saved in eternal union with God.

Anonymous Dr. J June 23, 2015 9:26 AM  

My road to excess has led to a palace of regret.

I hear you. Alpha game notes that sigmas and alphas have 4X the average number of sexual partners, which, I believe, would place them around 36 lifetime partners (if the self-reported stats are to be believed). Sounds like a lot of fun until you realize the amount of misery that can stem from that behavior (abortions, disease, etc.). It certainly ruined Solomon's line, and he was one of God's select.

Seeing someone like Roosh come around is encouraging. Roissy's up next!

Anonymous MPC June 23, 2015 9:31 AM  

"And I look at what the media and the universities are showing us now and I see Bruce Jenner being celebrated for being mentally ill, and I think I am going insane here! It doesn’t make sense why this is happening."

I swear sometimes that the trannies and fags are just live action role-players, and we're all being forced to play along with them.

Anonymous Homesteader June 23, 2015 9:38 AM  

God reached me through illness. Preparing for death, praying with a fervor only the desperate know. All my pride was gone; I wept bitter tears at the thought of losing all I had. I would hug my small children, and despair over the thought of not seeing them grow up. Made funeral plans; talked to my wife about her impending widowhood.

In my anguish, I read Job; and my prayers rounded to 'thy will be done". Also, "make me stronger or take this from me, for I can't do this."

Against all understanding, I am still here. I wouldn't even call it faith- I just know.

It was the worst experience I've ever known, and I would not trade it for anything.

Blogger Salt June 23, 2015 9:42 AM  

What I don't get is why modern Western culture has been so quick to throw all that away

Roosh, when you get there, pay attention to Revelation and take a good look around again.

Blogger Mark Citadel June 23, 2015 9:48 AM  

Delightfully candid.

"People are structuring their life on science that in 100 years, 500 years, 5,000 years, will be shown to be a joke"

He notes something that De Maistre wrote about, that basing society around a cult of scientific rationalism subjected all people to a constant revolution in truth and facts. Today's 'settled science' is tomorrow's flat earth society.

Anonymous JN June 23, 2015 10:16 AM  

Today's 'settled science' is tomorrow's flat earth society.

Stealing that one.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 23, 2015 10:16 AM  

I wouldn't think in terms of good states and bad states, because states aren't homogeneous. There are good and bad areas in every state (though in some of the smaller states it may be harder to get far enough away from the bad areas).

Yes and no. It doesn't do much good to point out that, for example, central and eastern Washington state is also made up of that exact same type of demographic when state-wide policies are controlled by left-coast urban centers.

That's the problem I have with Colorado for instance; the Democrats in Boulder and Denver have effectively disenfranchised much of the rest of the state. The same is true to some degree with much of the American west; California, Oregon and Washington have marched even further along that same path. Other places like Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and to a certain extent Montana, etc. have still managed to keep the SJWs somewhat at bay, although predictably they are under siege as well, because the bureaucracy of big government; even at the state and local level, is an environment that caters to the SJW.

And keep in mind that the federal government is more active in some respects in the Rocky Mountain states, with vast swathes of BLM land, national forests, etc. Illegal migrant workers have also flooded much of those states, at least seasonally.

So, yeah--you need to zoom closer, but sometimes you lose the bigger picture if you zoom too much. Your local culture in Yuma county Colorado might be exceptionally agreeable, but if they're constantly under the thumb of liberal state government in Denver, then it doesn't matter too much.

Which is exactly why there's a lot of localized separatist movements. I'm strongly in favor because it re-enfranchises the rural regions, and would create a more conservative majority in the Senate. That's exactly why the Democrats will fight it tooth and nail, of course.

Anonymous Bobcat June 23, 2015 10:16 AM  

"Is it really that bad, aren't there any good places left? What about places like Utah (Salt Lake) or Colorado? Two states (mostly white, mostly conservative, mostly traditionally religious), I've been considering for relocation from Belgium."

Head just a bit further north - Montana, Idaho and Wyoming - and you will find what you are looking for.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 23, 2015 10:17 AM  

Roissy is no hedonist, no matter what he says. If he ever comes around it'll be by a different route.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 23, 2015 10:20 AM  

If anything gets his attention, I expect it'll be the problem of evil.

Blogger Red Bane June 23, 2015 10:23 AM  

What I don't get is why modern Western culture has been so quick to throw all that away. Throwing everything away for this experimental way to live.

Societies current bent is no accident. The ghost of Gramsci haunts every academic faculty lounge the western world over. We have been re-engineered by design. Top Down

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2015 10:26 AM  

Joshua, that's a good point, I should contradict myself a bit: if there are laws or state actions that personally impact you, that may narrow down your choice of states. For instance, many people have moved to Illinois to homeschool, because the regulations on that here are basically nil. On the other hand, we've had fairly limited gun rights (because Chicago), and only recently got a limited concealed carry law passed -- one of the last states to do so. In general, the state leans more nanny than most, yet it's one of only two or three states where you can drive a motorcycle without a helmet.

So depending on how important those issues are to you, it could be a great choice or a terrible one. In general, the more conservative states will have less government interference to deal with, but it does vary by issue. And of course this all depends on how relevant you think state governments will be in a crash scenario.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 23, 2015 10:27 AM  

Such a misconception, that people in the past, especially in the long past, were not intelligent. Nothing can be further from the truth. What they were able to think through a figure out without today's technologies.

Here is C.S. Lewis On Reading Old Books
http://www.cslewisinstitute.org/On_Reading_Old_Books

Anonymous Bobcat June 23, 2015 10:29 AM  

"Yes and no. It doesn't do much good to point out that, for example, central and eastern Washington state is also made up of that exact same type of demographic when state-wide policies are controlled by left-coast urban centers."

This is a good point. Pretty much all of the more rural parts of the US are going to be similar in terms of politics and demographics, but it doesn't mean much if that area is in a state with a large, dominant city.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 23, 2015 10:30 AM  

ROOSH, when you get to Ecclesiastes, the phrase "under the sun" is key to understand it and will avoid all the nonsense that is spewed out by too many. All is vanity ... under the sun.

Anonymous Cheddarman June 23, 2015 10:33 AM  

I am praying for the man. I hope to see him in the Kingdom of God...standing next to Porky.

Blogger hank.jim June 23, 2015 10:38 AM  

Reading the Bible isn't the problem. Misreading it is. How many times are Christians told they are cherry picking the Bible? Too many times to count. Obviously, the non-Christians are ignoring what they dislike and only picking what they want enforced, which is to defang the Christian way of life.

The worse thing is Roosh deciding that Christians are dong it wrong. The best is he converts.

Anonymous A. Nonymous June 23, 2015 10:40 AM  

Roosh, I'm going to pray for you and I'm going to ask my church family to pray for you so you can fulfill God's plan for you and join the saved in eternal union with God.

Spare a thought for his back-catalogue of bedwarmers while you're at it.

Blogger Quadko June 23, 2015 10:48 AM  

A youth oriented culture doesn't know wisdom exists. It can't value it, it can't teach it. Good luck and great topic, Roosh!

Colorado is very nice, but imprecate carpetbaggers moving here, running for office, and changing the legal culture. Wyoming, etc. are years behind on this curve, but it's happening there, too. We also have "moderate" sales and income tax that can add up to a higher tax burden than states with just one or the other. But Colorado is a really great place to live in general and should be for years to come.

Anonymous BGS June 23, 2015 11:03 AM  

Is it really that bad, aren't there any good places left? What about places like Utah (Salt Lake) or Colorado?

The good places are the spots Bath House Barry is shitting Somali moslems on, flown in via US tax dollars and put on welfare just like the Boston Marathon brothers. https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/michigan-overloaded-with-iraqi-refugees-keeps-state-in-top-five-resettlement-states-in-the-nation/

Anonymous 360 June 23, 2015 11:04 AM  

@Mike M.

Would you have happened to of worked in the Denton, TX area at one time or another?

Anonymous BGS June 23, 2015 11:09 AM  

Such a misconception, that people in the past, especially in the long past, were not intelligent.

The reason there are a few still working aqueducts in Europe, and a good number lasted until the 2 world wars is that construction projects had people that would be physicists today supervising people who would be college professors today. Its hard to account for the effects of idiots with hands in creation.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis June 23, 2015 11:11 AM  

It doesn't do much good to point out that, for example, central and eastern Washington state is also made up of that exact same type of demographic when state-wide policies are controlled by left-coast urban centers.

That is true, fortunately at least for Washington State the urban left centers tend to leave the central and eastern parts of the state alone. I think part of it has to due with the eco-hippies out on the islands, as my experience with them is that they tend to have an equal amount of distrust in regards to the policies coming out of Olympia and Seattle but for entirely different reasons than conservatives. I can live with the eco-leftists, for the most part, since they dont agitate to have my gun rights taken away or try to get me to parrot double plus good think. The real problem as I see it is due to the hemorrhaging of California which is causing the chuckle heads who ruined that state coming to ours.

So take that into account, is the state your thinking of going to also prime destination for Californian refugees?

Blogger kurt9 June 23, 2015 11:19 AM  

There is hedonism and there is productive enterprise.

A society that makes productive enterprise more difficult (through excessive government regulation and/or progressive taxation) is going to get more hedonism. Duh! Anyone with a room temperature and above IQ can understand this correlation. You want less emphasis on hedonism? Work to reduce government regulation and taxation and people, and young people in particular, will focus more on productive enterprise.

The proper role of religion in all of this is to promote self-discipline and productive enterprise. A religion that does not do this is part of the problem, not the solution.

Anonymous Porky June 23, 2015 11:20 AM  

I see Bruce Jenner being celebrated for being mentally ill, and I think I am going insane here!

Narcissistic hedonist who spends life promoting narcissistic hedonism is shocked to find that western civilization has become narcissistic and hedonistic.

If there's one message I pray you find in those ancient texts, Roosh, it is the message of repentance unto salvation.

2 Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.


Anonymous bgs June 23, 2015 11:23 AM  

"People are structuring their life on science that in 100 years, 500 years, 5,000 years, will be shown to be a joke"

Even Aristotle understood that inequality was the base state of man. The High priest of Global Warming said NYC was supposed to be underwater by now.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes June 23, 2015 11:35 AM  

Vox, unless I'm blind, I don't see any way to find these Brainstorms at the Castalia website without following a link that you post here. I was interested to see if there are other transcripts available, but it's not obvious how I would find them.

Blogger VD June 23, 2015 11:39 AM  

The only other Brainstorm transcript available is the Martin van Creveld one. I'll modify the site accordingly later. You should be able to find it under the "Martin van Creveld" tag.

OpenID mattse001 June 23, 2015 11:41 AM  

"What I don't get is why modern Western culture has been so quick to throw all that away. Throwing everything away for this experimental way to live. I am reading some of the old stuff and it makes sense. It makes sense!"

It is being thrown away precisely because it makes sense. The Bible is GOOD. SJWs are EVIL. The two cannot coexist.

Anonymous Mike M. (minion 315) June 23, 2015 11:50 AM  

@360
"Would you have happened to of worked in the Denton, TX area at one time or another?"

Nope. I've spent my career at the Armpits of America...NAS Patuxent River, Maryland - and Edwards AFB, California. We don't do flight test in Nice Places.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes June 23, 2015 11:51 AM  

Exhibit #3789 in the decline and fall of western civilization: Sometimes I don't want to be white

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-michael/i-sometimes-dont-want-to-be-white-either_b_7595852.html

Anonymous Nathan June 23, 2015 12:00 PM  

Has next month's schedule of speakers been determined yet?

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 23, 2015 12:00 PM  

OT: Story of moslems from a nation that if it didn't have oil wouldn't have running water. Saudis cheating by buying grades, & the comments mention one was a rapist who all got flown out of the US before any consequences could occur, just like with 911
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/saudis-tried-to-shield-students-from-scandal-at-montana-tech/article_c9d7440e-b244-5bde-96a6-2f68f06bdb5c.html

Blogger Joshua_D June 23, 2015 12:17 PM  

Raggededge June 23, 2015 9:00 AM

My road to excess has led to a palace of regret. I am envious of those who found Christ at a much earlier age than I did. The whole sow your wild oats thing is from the pit of Satan.


Do you believe that your sins are somehow worse than those of people who accepted Christ at an earlier age? "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Don't place yourself or others on some special pedestal.

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

Blogger Jourdan June 23, 2015 12:19 PM  

I would say: stay in Belgium and fight there. I've just returned to the U.S. after some years abroad and the social disintegration now on display is a horrific wonder to behold.

On Roosh, I know others have said this before but it really strikes me as simply a case of a man growing older and wiser.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) June 23, 2015 12:20 PM  

18 years ago, Colorado was registering 30,000+ vehicles a year from Cali. Only Texas was getting more immigrants from the Left Coast. The locals knew they were leaving the liberal hellhole their voting policies had created, but were maintaining their voting policies without the understanding of the consequences. The stereotypical Californian would sell their house for 500K and buy a McMansion for 250K and live off the difference while "looking for a job". Not only were they bringing the policies that broke, Cali, they were inflating the costs of living in urban CO.

When the 'gay rights' initiative was on the ballot, initial ballot counts had it winning by a large margin, but when the rural votes rolled in, it lost. CO is two vastly different cultures. They are at the point now where there has been talk of rural CO forming a 51st state to get away from the laws & policies that Denver/Boulder are favorable towards.

Blogger VD June 23, 2015 12:33 PM  

Has next month's schedule of speakers been determined yet?

Stickwick is one. Other than that, no.

Blogger kurt9 June 23, 2015 12:37 PM  

I think Texas is a good state to live in. They are pro free-market, less regulation than "blue" states like CA or the East Coast, and have no state income tax. Texas is friendly to entrepreneurs and other business types. Utah and Arizona are probably good as well, although they have state income tax.

I do not recommend Oregon. it is becoming like CA with regards to taxation and regulation. The state employees are relatively incompetent as well. Washington state is not a bad choice (avoid King county, however). There is lots of regulation with regards to labor relations. But the state is relatively pro-business in other respects. There is no state income tax. State employees are actually mostly competent here.

Blogger Bastiat's Ghost June 23, 2015 12:39 PM  

Neomasculinty makes me think Roosh is having a midlife crisis.He's sounding remarkably similar to James Dobson.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God June 23, 2015 12:52 PM  

Roosh realizes the jig is up. He is at the end of his shelf life as a PUA "guru". So he concocts some pseudo-intellectual argument to "reinvent" himself.

Growing "older and wiser"? Only when he COMPLETELY takes in the Lord by denouncing his past, closing down his websites, and breaking away from his associates. Until then, he observably meets the criteria as a hedonist.

Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others--Philippians 2: 3-4

Anonymous Cash June 23, 2015 1:01 PM  

Gavin McInnes converted to Catholicism...... maybe we are seeing the same thing here.

But the same thing happens all the time especially with kids who grow up somewhat in the church.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 23, 2015 1:03 PM  

Beware of Idaho, its ruling class is utterly terrified of its reputation as a conservative Whitetopia and frequently comes down very hard on people like us. Most egregious example I know of is where an African-African physically assaulted someone's wife after a soccer game he coached, and the husband used some bad language in the ensuing affray. Three guesses who was in serious trouble and who was, as I recall, spirited out of the town without a charge or warrant.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 23, 2015 1:06 PM  

The worse thing is Roosh deciding that Christians are dong it wrong. The best is he converts.

Considering that the church is a place for sick and sinful people to be healed, I don't see how he could conclude anything else truthfully. God keep us despite our tendencies otherwise.

Roosh can do both, and may he do so.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 23, 2015 1:10 PM  

I love Roosh, fantastic portion.

Post America is hell, pure hell. The only benefit is the depop'ed area I reside in and maybe nature. WRE too.

Overall, the henhouses, absurdities, weirdness, distractions are taken to new highs with every freakshow at celebration level.

Blogger Josh June 23, 2015 1:11 PM  

"Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet."

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2015 2:06 PM  

How can anyone NOT notice that all this anti-(whatever)-ism SJW warfare is just another slice of the Reality Denial Pie?

The Great Asset Mania (and Mother of All Credit Bubbles) is simply another part of the current manic fad of denying objective reality in favor of The Belief of the Day.

It has all risen together and it will collapse together.

The next Narrative will likely embrace a polar opposite philosophy, one that attributes hardship entirely to stupid personal decisions. Look for charity to hit a Hard Stop, and tolerance to change into outrage followed by pogrom.

I sure as hell would not want to be one of the "needs lots of tolerance" once this inversion occurs.

Blogger VD June 23, 2015 2:08 PM  

Neomasculinty makes me think Roosh is having a midlife crisis.He's sounding remarkably similar to James Dobson.

He's 35. That's far less likely than a hedonist realizing the bankruptcy of the Pleasure Principle.

Blogger VD June 23, 2015 2:10 PM  

Roosh realizes the jig is up. He is at the end of his shelf life as a PUA "guru". So he concocts some pseudo-intellectual argument to "reinvent" himself.

Don't be ridiculous. He could easily ride that wave another 10 years if he wanted. The point is that he doesn't want it.

Blogger hank.jim June 23, 2015 2:30 PM  

"Considering that the church is a place for sick and sinful people to be healed, I don't see how he could conclude anything else truthfully. God keep us despite our tendencies otherwise."

Christians are still in sin. This is by definition. The problem with a non-Christian calling out Christians is their misapplication of doctrine.

"Roosh can do both, and may he do so."

Both? Really? Goodness. Let's not get carried away here.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 23, 2015 2:43 PM  

The problem with a non-Christian calling out Christians is their misapplication of doctrine.

If he converts as well, it'll be as a Christian calling out Christians. :)

And we need that. Iron sharpening iron and such. Pastors are needed to tend us flocks of wayward sheep, yes?

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 2:46 PM  

Recent converts are tricky. They are often willing to call out other Christians. they are much less commonly able to abide in Christ without running off to one side of the path or the other. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.

Blogger Raggededge June 23, 2015 2:48 PM  

Do you believe that your sins are somehow worse than those of people who accepted Christ at an earlier age? "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Don't place yourself or others on some special pedestal.

I'm dealing with consequences of sin that others that were saved earlier in life are not dealing with.

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 3:22 PM  

@Raggededge,
I don't usually say this, but you'd be surprised. Salvation is no proof against sin, nor the consequences thereof.

Anonymous BGS June 23, 2015 3:30 PM  

I sure as hell would not want to be one of the "needs lots of tolerance" once this inversion occurs.

Already fled the die verse city.

Blogger hank.jim June 23, 2015 4:38 PM  

"If he converts as well, it'll be as a Christian calling out Christians. :) "

No, he'll be a Trojan Horse. I find it funny how Roosh who is a Persian is suddenly a new "Christian" savior, when such a step is so far a field.

I have no idea who you are, but you appear to be a concern troll.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 23, 2015 5:55 PM  

"On Roosh, I know others have said this before but it really strikes me as simply a case of a man growing older and wiser."

Look, you're being un-necessarily cynical and leaping at uncharitable imputations. The man is not an SJW and does not have a known history of habitual lying, so take what he says at face value or tell me why anyone should take what you say at face value.

Growing older is unavoidable, sans death.

But many many many avoid growing wiser, far past the age of this one.

I give you Exhibit A: John Scalzi.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 23, 2015 7:47 PM  

No, he'll be a Trojan Horse. I find it funny how Roosh who is a Persian is suddenly a new "Christian" savior, when such a step is so far a field.

I'm afraid I don't understand what being Persian has to do with an individual's Christian salvation, or how it affects the accuracy of any criticisms of Christianity said individual may make.

Not making him to be a savior. Christ is the one Savior. I merely welcome any "doing it wrong" criticisms from your worst case scenario. Either they're true, and we/I/you are reminded of where we need to improve, or the criticism is false, and we are maligned for doing what our Savior told us to do. The former is a good thing, and the latter, while undesirable, was predicted by Jesus as part of the cost we pay. But it's not obvious to me that the criticisms must be false.

Blogger M Cephas June 23, 2015 8:38 PM  

Two quotes come to mind, one from the Bible, the other from G.K. Chesterson:

"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do, but what I hate, I do".

And

"Meaninglessness does not come from being weary of pain. It comes from being weary of pleasure".

Anonymous dc red dogs June 23, 2015 9:49 PM  

Raggededge, your problems are of great value to the church. Please read Joel 2.25 with a prayerful heart. Your problems are not simply your problems, eventually they will be the heavenly tools God sent you to bless others. King James version --- AND I WILL RESTORE TO YOU THE YEARS THAT THE LOCUST HAS EATEN: THE CANKERWORM, THE CATERPILLAR, AND THE PALMERWORM: MY GREAT ARMY WHICH I SENT AMONG YOU.
My guess is many of our Bible loving friends have memorized the first phrase: but the promise is in the last eight words. God has sent you an army and that army was not on your side and now it is.

Blogger bornagainpenguin June 23, 2015 11:13 PM  

May I suggest walkingtofreedom.com for anyone looking to bug in? It's an attempt to provide as much information as possible to anyone looking to take advantage of the fact our country is a republic and wishing to 'bug in' by moving to a different state. Since the United States is supposed to be a republic with various experiments in democracy taking place in individual states, bugging in is a way to vote with your feet and moving to somewhere where your values are upheld while denying your former state the benefit of your presence and tax dollars. I don't have anything to do with the site but I think it would be a great resource for those looking to move elsewhere while retaining citizenship in this country.

Also, @Salt, RE: Revelations

Don't forget that the book of Revelations is best understood as a symbolic index to the rest of the prophecies in the Bible. The allusions to other scripture is often missed by the casual scholar...for instance the scripture of the gospel often taken out of context to mean the rapture (one will be taken) is not a good thing when you realize that the place the one taken is to the great feast of the birds of the air, aka Armageddon(!) as mentioned in Revelations and mentioned in Eziekiel or Isiah... It's been a while since I studied so as always study to show yourself approved, as I hope Roosh will be doing.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God June 24, 2015 12:00 AM  

"The man is not an SJW and does not have a known history of habitual lying..."

His ENTIRE premise is getting women to bed. Under any and all circumstances. Lying for him is a feature, not a bug.


"He could easily ride that wave another 10 years if he wanted."

There's only so many "bang" books he can publish. And the "advice" he dispenses can be found throughout the Internet. Time for him to find something else "worthwhile", like Jesus Christ. He's a huckster selling miracles.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 24, 2015 12:17 AM  

And what are you, wretch?

Nobody is denying what he has been. We're looking to what he might become.

Again, are you eternally doomed to be what you once were?

Fucksake

Blogger VD June 24, 2015 6:32 AM  

His ENTIRE premise is getting women to bed. Under any and all circumstances. Lying for him is a feature, not a bug.

A bitter butt-hurt gamma. That's new.

Blogger M. Simon June 24, 2015 6:44 AM  

God reached me through Aleister Crowley. Excessive unmarried sex with numerous women has led to a 40 year long marriage - so far. And 4 children. One who graduated with honors from UChicago.

So yeah. If you don't want a life like mine - don't act he way I did.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 24, 2015 9:49 AM  

I love Roosh, fantastic portion.

Post America is hell, pure hell. The only benefit is the depop'ed area I reside in and maybe nature. WRE too.

Overall, the henhouses, absurdities, weirdness, distractions are taken to new highs with every freakshow at celebration level.


This was either butchered by autocorrect, or you're posting from Indonesia after running your post through several successive Google translations in various languages to end up in English.

Anonymous Kate Minter June 24, 2015 3:38 PM  

I applaud Roosh's efforts to raise the bar for himself and others. I only wish he had not found it necessary to have crucified my husband in the process. Reparation for that would be a big step in the right direction for him.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God June 24, 2015 9:27 PM  

"A bitter butt-hurt gamma. That's new."

The observable truth is that until Roosh is absolutely serious with converting to Christ our Savior, he is merely posturing for his own effect.

Anonymous dc red dogs June 24, 2015 9:38 PM  

Kate, when Jesus was dying on the cross, he knew a few things that nobody else knew at that time. Thanks to the Gospels, we know a few of those things. First, Jesus knew that those who crucified him and spit on him and cursed him and laughed at his humiliation had sinful parents and sinful siblings and were born in a sinful world. "they know not what they do". Our blessed Savior knew that he, the Son of God, had never been born to sinful parents, had never had sinful siblings, and had been the true Son of the Lord from the beginning. Knowing all that, he said, forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do. And he meant it. Maybe he really really wanted reparation, as you do, but more likely he only wished for simple repentance and the eternal security of turning back to the Lord and a welcome back into the non-sinful world that he knew so well. For my part, I pray every day that the many people who have harmed me, not to mention the many people I have harmed, will all be free of wanting each other to suffer for our past sins, when the blessed alternative is that we rejoice at seeing each other welcomed home as the beloved children of the Lord we were always meant to be.

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