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Thursday, June 25, 2015

Corporate action or censorship?

I don't know how legitimate these reports are, but there is something bizarre about the level of coordination and specificity of this multi-corporation attack on the Confederate flag. There are several reports that it was ordered by the U.S. federal government. The reason I'm a little dubious is: why would any corporation as powerful as Walmart, Amazon, or Apple obey such an obviously unlawful, unconstitutional directive instead of going straight to the media about it?


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Blogger jay c June 25, 2015 8:52 PM  

Especially when they could make a killing by being the only ones ignoring it.

Blogger jay c June 25, 2015 8:54 PM  

Even if the chat window capture isn't photoshopped, call center staff aren't known for being ideal sources of accurate information. If they were, they wouldn't be working in a call center.

Anonymous Soga June 25, 2015 8:55 PM  

Well, when you consider the tools at the government's disposal, it makes sense that these megacorporations would buck.

They don't even need to threaten military violence or tax penalties. They could just promise a significantly lighter tax for next year if these corporations did this one thing for them. That kind of thing gets CEOs and CFOs chomping at the bits.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 25, 2015 8:56 PM  

I don't understand why an Amazon rep would quote a CNN article as proof that the ban is from the federal gov't, especially when the quote doesn't indicate such.

But it's interesting smoke, will wait and see if there's an actual fire.

Blogger James Sullivan June 25, 2015 8:59 PM  

Not saying it isn't true but what makes me the most skeptical is the manner in which the CSR threw out the term Federal Law. That strikes me as pure, I-Want-To-Sound-More-Knowledgeable-Than-I-Really-Am, what you guys around here call Gamma.

Maybe the Feds are inviolved. But why keep it on the down low, then tell a CSR about it?

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence June 25, 2015 9:05 PM  

"why would any corporation as powerful as Walmart, Amazon, or Apple obey such an obviously unlawful, unconstitutional directive instead of going straight to the media about it?"
Going to the mattresses against the body in charge of auditing you, against an administration known to be petty and vindictive bureaucrats, going to a media that is absolutely in bed with them. I could see them doing it, especially if there has been precedent for this sort of nonsense before, but I am not a massive retailer so I do not have experience enough to know all the pieces in play.

Anonymous Mike M. (minion #315) June 25, 2015 9:05 PM  

Call centers are pretty far down the food chain. On the other hand, the regulatory power of the Federal Government makes a pretty powerful whip in the hands of an amoral pack of thugs.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2015 9:06 PM  

Yeah...Daniel V.

I strongly suspect the V is short for something like Vankayalapati. And he may not have the strongest grasp of the limits of American Law.

Blogger anne June 25, 2015 9:11 PM  

From experience, invoking the phrase "Federal law" gets callers off the phone quicker than other methods. It would be tempting to use the Feds as an excuse if you didn't have any other answers to give.

Of course, in my case there was an actual law to reference...

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 25, 2015 9:14 PM  


I strongly suspect the V is short for something like Vankayalapati. And he may not have the strongest grasp of the limits of American Law.


I was not impressed with Amazon's email response to my feedback email. There were a ton of typos, especially homophone errors.

Anonymous zen0 June 25, 2015 9:15 PM  

Has anybody been able to check the link listed in the screen shot?
I cliked on "full link" and the article linked in this post and got this:

Ipod 6 for one dollar in Canada!

Anonymous zen0 June 25, 2015 9:16 PM  

that is "in" the article linked in this post

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 9:17 PM  

Doubtful. More likely the result of a modern idiot who doesn't know that the government does not have this power and so has concluded in his own muddle-headed way that the "order" must come from those in charge, the government.

As Sir Hamster has pointed out, our vibrant out-sourcers simply don't understand such a thing, as in their experience all "orders" come from government.

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 June 25, 2015 9:18 PM  

Someone wants a race war, and his name ain't Dylan Roof.

Anonymous nothern refugee June 25, 2015 9:18 PM  

Here is the comment I just sent to Amazon. Let's see how they reply:

I notice that I can still order Mien Kampf and rape fantasy literature on Amazon, but not merchandise from the beloved show "The Dukes of Hazard". This is beyond stupid. I am cancelling my prime membership and will no longer shop with Amazon.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 June 25, 2015 9:18 PM  

I thought something smelled fishy about this from the get go. Did the justice department threaten them?

Anonymous Poli_Mis June 25, 2015 9:19 PM  

Well none of these data points are very convincing, but there is something extremely strange about the sheer number of events going on almost simultaneously: Charleston, unbelievable SCOTUS ruling today, another bad one tomorrow, the instant and wide reaching ban on the sale of the confederate flag and flag-bearing video games ... Almost like they are fomenting something. Bottom up. Top down. Inside out.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2015 9:20 PM  

No government whipping was required.

Apple and Amazon are SJW nests so I'm hardly surprised they struck while the tears were wet.

As for Walmart. Sam Walton has been gone for awhile. An entryist named Leslie Dash took over something called Corporate Affairs and began to build a massive SJW nest. He was the one that created and spurred on Walmarts disastrous Go Green campaign.

They were trying to sell high end organic shit to Walmart customers in the middle of a disastrous recession. Mister Dash is gone now but I am willing to bet any amount of money he left a lot of SJW in high places there.

Anonymous nothern refugee June 25, 2015 9:23 PM  

I agree that this is not a government campaign, but just SJW HR and corporate affairs types at work. Anyone who doubts that Walmart, Amazon, etc, could come up with this in their own has never worked in a modern corporation.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 25, 2015 9:24 PM  

snopes is flagging this as false, for what it is worth.

Anonymous Neguy June 25, 2015 9:26 PM  

I think the implication is obvious: major corporations are basically SJW-extensions these days. With the exception of their demands for low taxes and free global trade, their policies line up with the Democratic party in almost every respect. If you've spent any time inside a corp, you'll notice that they are entirely SJW in their actions, and there are many outright SJWs running the place. Hence Intel, which you reported had plenty of high ranking people supporting #gamergate, now has Anna Sarkeesian on the payroll. Look out quick major corps are to regurgitate SJW talking points and take action on SJW demands vs. how they refuse to say, fire Irene Gallo or otherwise take action when SJWs screw up.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 25, 2015 9:27 PM  

This is no more unconstitutional and over-reach than what the SCOTUS did this week. I don't think this is the feds but it wouldn't surprise me.

Blogger Bro. Longtail June 25, 2015 9:29 PM  

"snopes is flagging this as false, for what it is worth."

They could be right, but I put little to no stock in snopes on anything remotely political. They slant very much to the Left.

Anonymous Poli_Mis June 25, 2015 9:31 PM  

Fuck snopes. The left always lie too. But this is redundant.

Anonymous zen0 June 25, 2015 9:32 PM  

Just heard a tv lawyer use the term "disparate impact" in terms of proving rental bias.

PBS program.....(I started to type pogram, heh, heh)

{Pogram: An organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group}

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 25, 2015 9:33 PM  

I take snopes with a block of salt. But, it is a source.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 25, 2015 9:37 PM  

Sound like a false flag operation to me or a false lack of flag operation as the case may be .

And JaimeInTexas I am glad i'm not the only one who uses take it with a block of salt

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 9:38 PM  

The owner of Amazon owns the pathetically liberal and unreadable Washington Post, which he runs at a loss in order to keep the Beltway media under control. No surprise there. He was also one of the powers behind the scenes that stole not one but two Washington gubernatorial races. (and, no, not exaggerating, I was there, I saw it close up).

You know, a SJW.

Anonymous TroperA June 25, 2015 9:38 PM  

A top down FedGov order wouldn't surprise me at this point, given how tyrannical His Emperorship Barakius Obamius has been lately...

On the other hand, you should never ascribe to malice what could be accurately explained by corporate-level Social Justice Wankery...

Blogger Crude June 25, 2015 9:39 PM  

I don't believe it. Also...

The reason I'm a little dubious is: why would any corporation as powerful as Walmart, Amazon, or Apple obey such an obviously unlawful, unconstitutional directive instead of going straight to the media about it?

Since when do large powerful corporations care about unlawful, unconstitutional 'directives'? They only care if they oppose them.

Otherwise, that's very convenient cover. 'Now, we don't want to do this, we're being forced!'

Anonymous BGS June 25, 2015 9:46 PM  

Just heard a tv lawyer use the term "disparate impact" in terms of proving rental bias.

Yea nigapocalypse to come to every neighborhood also from the supremes toda, as part of equality of outcome for sub 85IQ blacks. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/25/wow-supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-disparate-impact-application-for-housing-tracts-loans-grants-and-subsidies/

Fuck snopes. The left always lie too. But this is redundant.

CofCC seems to have been put down, they should be listing all black on white crimes worse than Charleston now that they have attention but they have not had new stories. They should be talking about Omar Thronton , Christian Newsom, and the little blond boy killed by a sow wielding a blowtorch on Christmas.

Blogger Corvinus June 25, 2015 9:50 PM  

An entryist named Leslie Dash took over something called Corporate Affairs and began to build a massive SJW nest.

I like that term "nest". Makes me think of the Zerg.

Anonymous Godfrey June 25, 2015 9:58 PM  

Answer: Because the media is controlled by the same people that control the "government".

Anonymous Phil Mann June 25, 2015 10:02 PM  

why would any corporation as powerful as Walmart, Amazon, or Apple obey such an obviously unlawful, unconstitutional directive instead of going straight to the media about it?

This is purely anecdotal, and I have no direct experience with Walmart, but I have several times sued Amazon and Apple on behalf of clients, and it is quite apparent the courts bend over backwards to protect them. They are well aware of this, and it is not far-fetched that part of the deal is to toe the line when asked. In short, they are powerful because, not in spite, of the government and are basically all on the same team. Nothing at all surprising here.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 25, 2015 10:04 PM  

I'm not usually one to look for a conspiracy where standard leftist groupthink is explanation enough. But this did happen awfully quickly. It wouldn't surprise me if someone in the White House made a few calls to friends at some major retailers and dropped a hint or two: "Hey, we're concerned about more flareups of violence out of this thing, and you wouldn't want people blaming you because the next shooter was wrapped in a flag he bought at your store. We can't tell you what to do, but just thought I'd give you a friendly heads-up [wink, wink]...."

why would any corporation as powerful as Walmart, Amazon, or Apple obey such an obviously unlawful, unconstitutional directive instead of going straight to the media about it?

This is sarcasm, right? We already established that when the government comes to major tech companies and asks for access to their data, their answer is, "Yes sir, how deep sir?"

Blogger Bobo #117 June 25, 2015 10:09 PM  

There are something like 40 direct flights a day from the US to Costa Rica. Need more Ilk down here.
Jus'sayin'.
Nate says he could take the whole country with 25 guys, and I think he was over-estimating. A dozen is plenty.

IlkLand.
Think about it.

Anonymous T June 25, 2015 10:23 PM  

"Hey, we're concerned about more flareups of violence out of this thing, and you wouldn't want people blaming you because the next shooter was wrapped in a flag he bought at your store. We can't tell you what to do, but just thought I'd give you a friendly heads-up [wink, wink]...."

This is probably the gist of it. That's how the left prefers to operate, given the choice. 'Soft power' and all that nonsense, not to mention the plausible deniability. They love that.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 25, 2015 10:26 PM  

Yeah, Amazon has a bunch of Dot-Indians doing customer support and I think their job is to send new packages out when one goes missing, otherwise they're out of their depth.

I just send a second customer complaint to them. I expect I will cancel my Prime membership in the morning.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 25, 2015 10:31 PM  

I got an interesting insight into rabbitthink today. When I pointed out that you could buy Mein Kampf on Amazon, one SJW said "well, you can't buy swastikas!"

(as it turns out, you can, but...) I found it quite interesting that they would consider the book a necessary evil but think there's no place in society for a mere picture that - absent the book and it's author - stood for nothing particularly remarkable one way or another.

Anonymous Red Comet June 25, 2015 10:35 PM  

The Amazon guy in that link's broken English leads me to believe he's some cheap Indian IT guy on the other side of the planet and just thinks pulling the flag is due to "federal law."

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2015 10:43 PM  

Jack Amok: Even worse, several of the Mein Kampf editions Amazon sells have a swastika on the cover, but they stopped selling Embattled Banner: A Reasonable Defense of the Confederate Battle Flag by one Don Hinkle. I found this mentioned in a discussion on an Amazon Seller forum; it's still indexed by Google, but the Amazon page is now a 404.

Anonymous Hrw-500 June 25, 2015 10:57 PM  

@That Would Be Telling.

I archived the Google cache of the former Amazon page before Google remove it as well on Archive.is at https://archive.is/A2QE7

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 25, 2015 10:59 PM  

So now they ban books as well. I've got another email to write, then.

Anonymous Sensei June 25, 2015 11:05 PM  

I don't know how legitimate these reports are, but there is something bizarre about the level of coordination and specificity of this multi-corporation attack on the Confederate flag.

This is what successful 4th generational warfare looks like, no? SJWs might be dumb, but their bellweathers aren't.

Anonymous Hawk S. Rabidus June 25, 2015 11:10 PM  

Didn't the church shooter have a picture of himself with a flag of Rhodesia sewn on his jacket? And wasn't his manifesto on a website called "thelastrhodesian.com" or something like that?

I say the flag we need to ban is the Rhodesian flag. They can have my battle flag when they actually wage a battle, and then pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 25, 2015 11:20 PM  

Amazon's distraction/ diversion is a reaction to another matter...SJW's posting fake reviews meanwhile another distraction like gay marragie-SCOTUS/during poor media timing of all these flag matters has occur in time to ruin summer.

This reminds me of debt theater of a few summers ago, always trying to ruin summer.

Whatever, this flag issue only promotes sales to people who should save their cash not for baubles but for needs.

Like shining the finish on a sinking boat, Amazon is about to watch their sales plummet. Customers and vendors will withdraw or fight.

Blogger kh123 June 25, 2015 11:22 PM  

"I found it quite interesting that they would consider the book a necessary evil but think there's no place in society for a mere picture that - absent the book and it's author - stood for nothing particularly remarkable one way or another. "

Cargo cultists aren't interested in plane blueprints or the larger sphere of world events; they only grok the shiny thing in the sky that drops the crates. Or causes the crates to appear so far as they know. The bad juju* tends to be wrapped up in the image or word itself.

And the original cargo cults come off the better in comparison - they didn't have knowledge of or access to the outside world. Nor are they the ones that give the hakenkreutz as much mystical power as SJWs apparently do.

Might be why Aquinas spent as much time harping on cause/effect when he did, since the above's the sort of fetish-oriented thinking people tend towards when anxious.

(*Or kuntu, for all you Norman Mailer twats out there.)

Anonymous Jack Amok June 25, 2015 11:32 PM  

I just got of the phone with Amazon's second level customer support. I am supposed to hear from someone higher up in the next day or two. I pointed out that I was letting Amazon know my feelings on this issue through their customer support channel instead of by sending an email to their corporate offices so that they would have access to my account history and would realize that my opinion is the opinion of one of their oldest customers and not simply some agitator sending emails.

I do know Amazon takes customer service very seriously, so the more pressure that comes in through that avenue, the better.

We will see how this goes. I would encourage all of you to join in. Win, lose or draw, it is good practice.

Anonymous Sheila June 25, 2015 11:33 PM  

So I've cancelled my prime membership. I also just finished reading my first Tom Kratman book (Countdown: The Liberators) which I thoroughly enjoyed. Where do I go to get more? I admit I've been spoiled using the one click method of purchasing, saving me a trip out among the multihued hordes at a bookstore or the local library. I'm going to re-read some of my old Web Griffith favorites (love "The Corps" series set in the 40s and 50s) in the meantime, but I'll get withdrawal pains soon. Suggestions please?

Blogger Jack Ward June 25, 2015 11:38 PM  

OT I guess. Has the font been changed here? Everything is smaller now and other blogs I hit are still normal. Or, is there something I need to do at my end on this one blog?
Thanks

Anonymous zen0 June 25, 2015 11:43 PM  

Remember when it was a good thing that Obama was elected bcz the contradictions would compile at a higher rate, and that was a good thing.

That was awesome.

AND it seems to be coming to pass, so it is all good, yes?

Plus, the financial system is about enter its peak lunacy any day now. On the surface, it will look like a massive comeback.

What's not to like?

Massive Schadenfreude awaits.

As my neighbour would say, Cheers, Dears.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 25, 2015 11:44 PM  

And the original cargo cults come off the better in comparison - they didn't have knowledge of or access to the outside world.

Very true. Plus, they got really useful stuff from the cargo planes, stuff they couldn't get anywhere else. SJWs follow their idiotic rituals for the sake of feeling smug.

Blogger LBD June 25, 2015 11:47 PM  

Sensei, it's bellwether, not bellweather. It's a lead female sheep.

Blogger automatthew June 25, 2015 11:51 PM  

OT (or is it?):

Muse's recent video for "Handler", a track from their new album, is openly referencing the Monarch mind control symbolism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF1DQr5dKW8

Alice, butterflies, mickey mouse, birdcage.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar June 25, 2015 11:52 PM  

Oh come now. Do you believe the Corporate suits from Head Offices in the rotten Apple really oppose the degradation of White Americans? It seems even as they suffer Billions in losses and look at Chapter 13 dissolution within the near future that many of these corporates are willing to die with Anti-White strategies rather than reverse course and begin any recovery from destruction.
Interesting. You would think these greedy packrats would value money above all else, but at this point they are willing to go bankrupt simply to offend White Christians. War may finally be upon us. I cannot see that these rodents would burn their bridges unless they were engaging in preparations for combat operations.
I didn't think these lily livered yellow belied cowards had the guts to finally make their move. Perhaps they see the handwriting on the wall and realise at last that they have nothing left to lose as their Banking Empire is about to permanently implode.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence June 25, 2015 11:57 PM  

Me to Amazon: "You sell books. You do not burn them.
I have arranged my next video game preorder with another business and cancelled the one I had with you. That money is lost to you. You can get the rest of my business back by fixing this stupid impulsive Confederate flag issue. It won't end there. It never ends there. Not until you put your foot down. This is where my foot is coming down. I hope you do the same. You have given me nothing but wonderful customer service in the years and I would hate to lose you as a resource but there are certain things I cannot abide."

Amazon's response:
"Hello,

The items you referenced are not available for sale. Thank you for contacting us.

We hope to see you again soon.

Best regards,
Shadab B"

I'm not even mad now.

Blogger Retrenched June 26, 2015 12:10 AM  

Yeah I'm guessing they're just using that excuse to shift responsibility for their cave to SJWs.

Anonymous Haven Dolezal June 26, 2015 12:21 AM  

A fedgov request would help explain why Alibaba won't sell the flag.

Chinese are not very political anyway but they never let politics stand in the way of making a buck. You would think that standing by their vendors and customers is the best way for a relatively unknown,although massive, foreigner web retailer to get more customers in the US but no, they take part in the memory holing just like all the local players.

OpenID ymarsakar June 26, 2015 12:40 AM  

The reason I'm a little dubious is: why would any corporation as powerful as Walmart, Amazon, or Apple obey such an obviously unlawful, unconstitutional directive instead of going straight to the media about it?

The media is under Democrat control aka Leftist or SJW, call it what you will.

Many of these companies are owned by Democrats, but I don't think that plays much of a part.

What does play a part is that the federal government is very good at making these top down orchestrations. Fast and Furious was the ATF telling gun owners who they should sell to, or else those gun owners would be out of business. Email encryption keys were demanded from various email websites, and most of them caved, except for the encryption services that went out of business. Those refused, at least or informed their customers, violating gag orders.

One might as well ask why German corporations obeyed some populists like the National Socialists. The reasons are similar, at this stage.

Blogger Corvinus June 26, 2015 12:42 AM  

Interesting. You would think these greedy packrats would value money above all else, but at this point they are willing to go bankrupt simply to offend White Christians.

@Joshua Sinistar
It's weird. Just like with Starbucks being a post-profit corporations.

Looks like there are a lot more post-profit corporations out there than we ever suspected.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 26, 2015 12:48 AM  

As noted in previous threads, these corporates are already established beachheads for SJW Entryism. You only have to look at their HR policies and public statements to see that.

OTOH, I've also noted the curious lockstep behavior of these ostensibly bitter commercial rivals, where there would seem to be strong financial incentives to break ranks

I've also noted how ostensibly ideological opposites in our parliaments manage to operate identical policies across decades of turn and turn about at the levers of power. This happens, "coincidentally", in ALL our parliaments.

No, it is long since I believed in coincidence.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 26, 2015 12:57 AM  

Looks like there are a lot more post-profit corporations out there than we ever suspected.

Indeed. So.... what were there before for-profit companies came into prominence?

a) Feudal estates run by hereditary nobles and staffed by their serfs or slaves
b) Raving bands of Vikings, Mogols, Goths and other bandits
c) Half-naked savages murdering each other over sheep, goats and chickens
d) All of the above.



Blogger automatthew June 26, 2015 1:06 AM  

Usury obsoletes profits.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 26, 2015 1:45 AM  

54. automatthew
All that Illuminati run the music biz meme has been in your face for years to the point of it now being a joke. Whatever the truth might have been, it has been obfuscated through self-referencing and over-use.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/ covers it quite well.

Anonymous dh June 26, 2015 1:45 AM  

OTOH, I've also noted the curious lockstep behavior of these ostensibly bitter commercial rivals, where there would seem to be strong financial incentives to break ranks

Really sorry to disagree, but this is stupid. There is 0 incentive to break ranks. In this exact case because the battle flag hasn't one iota of commercial value. It's barely an hour of Amazon.com loses for a month in sales, if that.

In the larger picture, still 0 incentive to break ranks. These companies have only one thing to fear, and that's not competition, or boycotts, or anything else. Their only fear is government. The only force powerful enough to destroy Walmart or Amazon or Apple is the US government. And even then, it'd be a hard battle.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 26, 2015 1:57 AM  

54. automatthew

Muse's recent video for "Handler", a track from their new album, is openly referencing the Monarch mind control symbolism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF1DQr5dKW8
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Roger that. Readers might also enjoy Vigilant Citizen's analysis of various music videos for mind control and Masonic* symbology. "Handler" is currently featured. Anything by Dave McGowan ("Programmed to Kill", "Weird Scenes of Laurel Canyon") is also highly recommended. (Turns out the hippy/drug movement and the rock scene were social engineering operations.) Programming of the SJWs rests on these techniques, diluted and applied to a mass population, as explained by John Taylor Gatto.

*Phil Sandifer, btw, mentioned fulfilling "The Great Work" as part of his reason to live, might be a porch Mason.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 26, 2015 2:10 AM  

65. dh
These companies have only one thing to fear, and that's not competition, or boycotts, or anything else. Their only fear is government. The only force powerful enough to destroy Walmart or Amazon or Apple is the US government. And even then, it'd be a hard battle.
==============

Not just fedgov. A State governments can "kill" a corporation that is either chartered in that state or allowed to do businesses there. The legal challenge is made to the corporate charter- essentially the birth certificate. Just for a hypothetical example, imagine an SFF publisher, perhaps incorporated in Delaware or the State of New York, that publishes known pedophiles, racists screeds, sex deviants, socialist lies, etc. and markets that content to children without warning. A civil court challenge- maybe in addition to libel charges- could be constructed around moral turpitude and acting against the best interests of the public. The SFF Publisher's Corporate Annual Report, its Charter/Articles, and any other public documents would be entered into evidence and argued to have been violated. The remedy sought would be, in part, to revoke the corporate charter.



Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 26, 2015 2:28 AM  

To continue in part, the complaint would cite the exact language in the State statutes governing the conduct of Corporations chartered in that State. It would be argued that the Corporation, through the actions of its employees and management, have violated those statutes, in addition to their own Charter. Some research would be needed-

In what State is the Corporation domiciled?
What are the relevant Statutes, Code, and enabling Acts?
What is in the Corporation's public filings?

On a totally unrelated note, did anyone else notice that 'Rot' is 'Tor' spelled backwards?

Blogger rho June 26, 2015 2:39 AM  

Their only fear is government. The only force powerful enough to destroy Walmart or Amazon or Apple is the US government. And even then, it'd be a hard battle.

IIRC, there is quite a lot of money floating around K-Street from Silicon Valley. I'm not so sure it would be a hard fight except in the sense that the Federal government would find it hard to gin up enough will to fight.

The hysteria over the flag has certainly been interesting. I've always been in the camp that agreed that, yes, you probably shouldn't wave the battle flag around. Partially because, even in the deep South, it's the International Semaphore signal for "halfwit redneck yahoo," but also because (rightly or wrongly) it's highly offensive to most American blacks. I may be an asshole, but I'm a polite asshole.

I'm okay with "you shouldn't wave the battle flag." It's when "shouldn't" becomes "can't" that everything changes. "You shouldn't" may be right, it may be wrong, but "You can't" is flat out wrong. Don't mistake my politeness for being a pushover.

In the end, the question I'd like to ask the people who are agitating for banning the battle flag from being waved, sold or depicted--your wish has been granted. Now what? What has changed? Are black lives improved? Will blacks now reach great heights in education or entrepreneurship? Is the school-to-prison pipeline heralded by a phalanx of Confederate battle flags? Or is this a do-nothing, feel-good campaign that completely sidesteps the real problems facing American blacks because the real problems are hard and can't be solved with Twitter?

On a completely unrelated note, I'm looking to diversify my cloud computing requirements. Any suggestions from the full-stack nerds?

Blogger beerme #0183 June 26, 2015 2:46 AM  

I'll bet someone could kill every black person on the planet wearing a Che Guevara shirt and waving a commie flag without this level of "outrage".

Anonymous Jack Amok June 26, 2015 3:08 AM  

I'll bet someone could kill every black person on the planet wearing a Che Guevara shirt and waving a commie flag without this level of "outrage".

I think you just described Angola

Anonymous Bz June 26, 2015 3:56 AM  

Since it was mentioned above, Rhodesia is an instructive historical lesson. As is South Africa.

Blogger James Dixon June 26, 2015 4:02 AM  

Well, if you had any doubt that the federal government really does want to censor the flag, there's this little gem in an MSN article at
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/confederate-flag-debate-reaches-congress/ar-AAc8353 :

"Also on Thursday, Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown introduced legislation punishing states that issue specialty automobile license plates bearing the Confederate flag.

Brown's bill would reduce federal funding for those states' transportation programs."

Blogger rho June 26, 2015 4:42 AM  

Jim Webb continues to be an adult in Washington.

Good luck on your presidential bid now, Jim.

Anonymous Sensei June 26, 2015 4:43 AM  

Thanks, I'm aware. Autocorrect felt differently.

Anonymous Jourdan June 26, 2015 4:59 AM  

If Webb were to get fighting mad and run completely non-affiliated with either party, he would be a factor. He's one of the last honorable men left in this shithole town.

I have to say though: The American people deserve a Clinton or a Bush.

Good and hard.

Blogger JACIII June 26, 2015 5:13 AM  

The rapidity of removal from sales is stunning. Almost as if someone is trying out a new system.

Blogger Red Bane June 26, 2015 5:17 AM  

why would any corporation as powerful as Walmart, Amazon, or Apple obey such an obviously unlawful, unconstitutional directive instead of going straight to the media about it?

Probably because these corporations have, to some degree, become powerful by virtue of their ties to government. Walmart appears to be engaged in some level of cooperation with the Military right now and Apple has been forwarding on peoples private info the government for some time.

Blogger rho June 26, 2015 5:27 AM  

If Webb were to get fighting mad and run completely non-affiliated with either party, he would be a factor. He's one of the last honorable men left in this shithole town.

He runs. Support him or not, but don't hide behind Party labels.

Blogger Jack Morrow June 26, 2015 6:25 AM  

56. IndecisiveEvidence

Me to Amazon: "You sell books. You do not burn them.


Good point; it seems as though Amazon is becoming like the firemen in Fahrenheit 451, starting fires rather than putting them out.

The SJW fanaticism is making me not only want to get a Confederate flag, but a Rhodesian flag, and a collection of flags of currently backward countries, but from the days when they were still colonies and civilized.

I already have some Thomas Dixon novels, and a DVD collection of Charlie Chan movies, and I'd like to enlarge my quantities of both.

I might also try to hunt down DVDs of early Popeye and Warner Brothers cartoons (WWII-era politically incorrect ones, and later ones featuring Speedy Gonzales).

Unfortunately, I don't have room for a black lawn jockey. Do they still make those Black Sambo dolls in Japan that caused so much offense 25 years or so ago?

Anonymous old man in a villa June 26, 2015 6:36 AM  

LBD-

A wether is a castrated male sheep. If he wears a bell, he's a bellwether. Helps keep track of the rest of the flock, i.e. where the flock goes, he does too. It's also called a harbinger.

Blogger IoshkaFutz June 26, 2015 7:15 AM  

Ostensibly it's the confederate flag, but it's really about all flags...

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 26, 2015 8:06 AM  

automatthew

OT: Yes, Vigilant Citizen's latest op-ed asks the same questions.

Blogger Nate June 26, 2015 8:14 AM  

anyone looking for an Amazon alternative... Overstock.com is not playing ball with the SJWs. A search for civil war... and battle flag both returned relevant items for sale including books with the flag on the cover and confederate items.

Anonymous Hrw-500 June 26, 2015 8:22 AM  

@Nate

There's that article written in October 2014 from the San Jose Mercury News who mention some alternatives to Amazon.com
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_26837173/amazon-alternatives-offer-similar-online-deals

Blogger Nate June 26, 2015 8:25 AM  

" Readers might also enjoy Vigilant Citizen's analysis of various music videos for mind control and Masonic* symbology. "Handler" is currently featured. Anything by Dave McGowan ("Programmed to Kill", "Weird Scenes of Laurel Canyon") is also highly recommended. (Turns out the hippy/drug movement and the rock scene were social engineering operations.) Programming of the SJWs rests on these techniques, diluted and applied to a mass population, as explained by John Taylor Gatto.

*Phil Sandifer, btw, mentioned fulfilling "The Great Work" as part of his reason to live, might be a porch Mason."


oh for fucks sake.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 26, 2015 8:31 AM  

The reason I'm a little dubious is: why would any corporation as powerful as Walmart, Amazon, or Apple obey such an obviously unlawful, unconstitutional directive instead of going straight to the media about it?

So brave!.... said nobody about bureaucratic, corporate stooges ever.

If they had enough business acumen and risk tolerance to stick it to the government when a little pressure came along, they'd probably be entrepreneurs, not entrenched in the crony capitalist machine.

Blogger Nate June 26, 2015 8:34 AM  

Look people... Vigilant Citizen is nothing but a different flavor of Veterens Today. Kooks. Nothing but kooks. The deserve nothing but mockery... and you'd be doing a favor to their readers if you were mocked them too.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 26, 2015 8:39 AM  

"They deserve nothing but mockery..."

Like shit heels who want to ban the confederate battle flag or any confederate related flag and shit heels who honestly buy that state's rights bullshit about the fucking Confederacy.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 26, 2015 8:48 AM  

For what it's worth, you can still easily find and order The South Was Right, The Politically Incorrect Guide to the South, and Everything You Were Taught About the Civil War Was Wrong, all three of which prominently feature the stars and bars on the cover.

So whatever Amazon has done, it hasn't been very complete.

Blogger Nate June 26, 2015 8:54 AM  

"Like shit heels who want to ban the confederate battle flag or any confederate related flag and shit heels who honestly buy that state's rights bullshit about the fucking Confederacy."

Oh look... a yankee asshole being a yankee asshole. How unexpected.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 26, 2015 9:16 AM  

Sorry; mis-spoke. Features the battle flag, not the stars and bars.

By the way, I found a stars and bars patch still for sale on Amazon too.

Anonymous BGS June 26, 2015 9:41 AM  

One thing big corporations do is rent seeking from govt. Carlos Slims got to be the richest man in the world by rent seeking and affirmative action. One of the stereotypes of India Tech is anything not allowed is said by them as against the law.

Didn't the church shooter have a picture of himself with a flag of Rhodesia sewn on his jacket?

There is evidence that the patches had been photoshoped on.

greedy packrats would value money above all else, but at this point they are willing to go bankrupt simply to offend White Christians.

The tribe took control of the banks by getting loans from non tribal banks & if their business didn't do well they would do a controlled bankruptcy transferring assets to other tribe members. They then took new names and repeated elsewhere.

I'll bet someone could kill every black person on the planet wearing a Che Guevara shirt and waving a commie flag without this level of "outrage".

They might need a rainbow feather boa to pull that off. Pim Fortuyn meets Vlad Tepes.

shit heels who honestly buy that state's rights bullshit about the fucking Confederacy.

Lincoln knew he had to send niggers back to Africa and not allow the tribe that killed him to undo the Greenbacks, government issued currency.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 26, 2015 10:42 AM  

dh:
You make good points, but I was inferring collusion not coercion.

Coercion by the fed gov is a whole 'nother level, as you say. And maybe that is the most sensible explanation. I don't pretend to know the precise nature of the conspiracy; I only hold that it's hard to avoid the conclusion that there is one.

Here's to ya.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 26, 2015 11:14 AM  

I don't pretend to know the precise nature of the conspiracy; I only hold that it's hard to avoid the conclusion that there is one.

One way or another, the speed that it happened seems to imply someone had a plan in place ahead of time. Corporations do not move that quickly when unexpected events come along. Clearly this was expected in some way shape or form.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 26, 2015 12:05 PM  

Who'd have thought we'd win WWII and the Cold War wind up a national socialist nation anyway?

Blogger beerme #0183 June 26, 2015 3:04 PM  

Who'd have thought we'd win WWII and the Cold War wind up a national socialist nation anyway?

the John Birch society

Anonymous Crispy June 26, 2015 5:11 PM  

Google shopping is completely unable to find any results for "Confederate flag". Oodles of results in shopping for "Che Guevara". Go figure.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 26, 2015 10:56 PM  

Beerme - good call. There used to be an active chapter in my neck of the woods. I haven't heard of them doing anything in about fifteen years though.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 27, 2015 12:29 AM  

86. Nate oh for fucks sake.

Tough to argue that one.

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