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Tuesday, June 09, 2015

Descent into darkness

 VDH warns of the end of an age:
History is not static and it does not progress linearly.  There was more free speech and unimpeded expression in 5th-century Athens than in Western Europe between 1934-45, or in Eastern Europe during 1946-1989. An American could speak his mind more freely in 1970 than now. Many in the United States had naively believed that the Enlightenment, the U.S. Constitution, and over two centuries of American customs and traditions had guaranteed that Americans could always take for granted free speech and unfettered inquiry.

That is an ahistorical assumption. The wish to silence, censor, and impede thought is just as strong a human emotion as the desire for free expression — especially when censorship is cloaked in rhetoric about fairness, equality, justice, and all the other euphemisms for not allowing the free promulgation of ideas.

George Orwell devoted his later years to warning us that while the fascist method of destroying free expression was easily identified (albeit only with difficulty combatted), the leftwing totalitarian impulse to squelch unpopular speech was far harder to resist — couched as it was in sloganeering about the “people” and “social justice.” 
He's right. The descent into the Dark Ages will not end well. It never has in the past. We must fight the barbarians at every step, within and without, because even though we will probably lose, we will preserve the seeds from which future civilizations will grow.

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Blogger Joshua Dyal June 09, 2015 9:19 AM  

Of course, he's wrong about one minor detail; the leftwing totalitarian impulse and the fascist impulse are exactly the same, as is the rhetoric about helping the poor, the people, social justice. The fascists were just a little bit more honest about who was benefiting from their nearly identical approach.

But that's a minor gripe.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) June 09, 2015 9:22 AM  

Why do you say we will probably lose?
If we can preserve the seeds by which future civilizations will grow, why could we not nurture and grow those seeds ourselves? Is there just not enough time?

Anonymous p-dawg June 09, 2015 9:26 AM  

I disagree entirely with the premise that it won't end well. The last Dark Age ended pretty well. I mean, if you can call anything "ended" when time progresses forward and the future is uncertain. But I would certainly prefer to be alive during the end of a Dark Age than the beginning of one, which is the situation we're facing.

Blogger Salt June 09, 2015 9:28 AM  

because even though we will probably lose

I'd agree, but for one thing - the imminent monetary crash. SJWs require the State, the State requires ever increasing flows of money, and when that ends, what will the SJWs have, the State being most probably defunct?

It's an end of an age alright, but I don't see it as any loss for us.

Anonymous Gecko June 09, 2015 9:35 AM  

Salt, it's a loss in the sense that the state will not go quietly into the night. Expect a lot of pain and suffering during the transition.

Anonymous PA June 09, 2015 9:41 AM  

Define "lose". Physical eradication, or loss of institutions?

Anonymous Dirtnapninja June 09, 2015 9:44 AM  

Alexis de Tocqueville predicted the exact mechanism by which democracy would be destroyed in his book "Democracy in America"

Anonymous The other robot June 09, 2015 9:48 AM  

we will preserve the seeds from which future civilizations will grow.

The Mote in God's Eye was an allegory about Human Behavior!

Anonymous Giuseppe June 09, 2015 9:48 AM  

We will certainly NOT probably lose.
Admittedly this depends on who exactly you mean by "we".
If, however, by "we", you mean people like me, and I would guess you, and I would guess Nate, and several other ilk, then no, I don't see us losing. I see maybe plenty of us dying, but what must be understood is that what is coming is not a nice and "neat" little war in the orderly fashion of WW2.

What's coming is a much larger version of what happened in Ukraine. An unholy mess. And in that situation, one man with a good rifle and decent training and an iron will makes a difference.
A small squad of them can turn the tide, and a group of them can literally change the world.

There are interesting times ahead. Perhaps people like you will be more hemmed in by love of family than people like me who have little of that left to lose, but if the shit really hits the fan in a properly nasty way, well...the would be overlords are about to find out that the rules of gentlemanly war exist to protect them from people like me. Not the other way round.

Blogger Salt June 09, 2015 10:01 AM  

@Gecko

Yes, and think of the fun as you shove your boot up their @$$ as they beg to be saved.

Blogger JDC June 09, 2015 10:18 AM  

The leftwing totalitarians are truly convinced they are correct. When I read this I thought about Revelation 11, specifically after the two witnesses are killed:

Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth. (Rev 11: 8-10)

I realize that the book of Revelation comes with many interpretations, but clearly we see here men sent by God to speak his word, and the world kills them for it - then celebrates. The lefties let their mask slip from time to time, hinting they would like to kill, maim, censor, harm those who believe differently than they do.

They come with hugs, tears and cries for tolerance but as Nick Fury said, "Yeah, you say peace. I kinda think you mean the other thing." They are barbarians. A fight is coming. Jesus, please return soon.

Blogger Jourdan June 09, 2015 10:19 AM  

I agree that we will probably lose. Considering that the vast majority of the world's population wants to enjoy the fruits of Anglo civilization, yet are incapable of maintaining or contributing to it, and that 50-60% of our own people are aligned against it militantly, we're on the losing side.

We need to either go full Benedict or win a space somewhere to keep what is ours for the future.

As for speech, it was obvious where free speech was going once the underlying assumptions of "hate crimes" was accepted, in defiance of clear common law principles. Add to that disaster the "fighting words doctrine" in U.S. law and, well, it's all over but the crying.

Blogger Jourdan June 09, 2015 10:22 AM  

Let me add as well, regarding VDH: as a Californian, it is painfully obvious to me that VDH recognizes exactly what is going on yet chooses not to say so to stay viable in Conservatism, Inc.

Which means he is a coward.

Anonymous zen0 June 09, 2015 10:34 AM  

> VDH recognizes exactly what is going on yet chooses not to say so

Say what?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 09, 2015 10:36 AM  

The word you're looking for is Freedom, free of the grip of the SJW. Talking of civilization is akin to wishing for a pony

Blogger Cail Corishev June 09, 2015 10:40 AM  

we will preserve the seeds from which future civilizations will grow.

There are two main things that convince me we've reached this point, where fixing things through the current system is impossible, so the only place to put one's effort is in shoring up one's family and local community for the future:

1. More than 100,000 Somali Muslims in Minnesota.

2. Women working as guards in men's prisons.

These two things are so insane, and so unnecessary, so obviously done for the sole purpose of destruction, and there's so little push-back against them, that ordinary political disagreements look like pointless theater. What difference does ten cents on the minimum wage make when we're giving amnesty to millions of aliens? If we're so stupid and cowed by political correctness that we pretend having women guard male convicts is reasonable, what hope is there for something less obvious like the need to cut spending or draw down the empire? None whatsoever.

Anonymous antonym June 09, 2015 10:44 AM  

Unlike most people I don’t subscribe to a “cyclical” view of history; time-keeping, out-breeding, memetic stratification, and technological development all establish history (itself the reflex of time-keeping) as linear, despite similarities or repetitions. Thus what we are experiencing is more like a critical mass than “another” imperial decay that will reset human affairs to some history book norm. That isn’t how ecology goes, and it isn’t how ecology in the age of globalism will go.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 09, 2015 10:46 AM  

I have been doing a lot of reading on the end of the Western Empire lately. Heady stuff.

By the end, the only people that really cared about sustaining it were the barbarians who moved into it. The local elites had either decamped to Constantinople, or were trying to carve up their own little part of the Empire. The people welcomed the fall, at first, because it meant lower taxes. The Church was in panic for a bit, but they then took up the mantle of the only educated class left.

The germanic hordes didn't destroy the Empire, it collapsed and they walked in. The society had degraded to the point where no one really wanted to keep it, and the Imperial regalia was sent to Constantinople.

Today, we are heading for a similar point. The Republic is dead, and was so even before the Civil War. The remains of the democracy are dying. We await either the new Caesar, or the new Goths.

Either way, we are at the end of an age. I suspect we are beyond the point where a Caesar will work, and the civilization we are in is failing. The moral and ethical cornerstones of the West have never recovered from WWI, and are almost all gone.

But I do not despair. The fire went out in the West before, and came back. The Faith survived even the fall of Rome, and the sack of the East. We are promised that the faith will survive, not that our current civilization will. I am not even sure the latter should.

Anonymous Porky June 09, 2015 10:54 AM  

He's right. The descent into the Dark Ages will not end well. It never has in the past.

Oh, bullshit. The "dark ages" were absolutely the best period in the history of mankind. Once the "Light of Rome" was properly extinguished, free Christians could get about the business of setting up universities, building churches, developing classical music, creating the western legal system, and laying the foundations of science, mathematics and agriculture.

The current decline will only end badly for those who's eyes are fixed upon worldy power, material surfeit, and techno music. For those who simply crave a free Christian Civilization - this is a glorious time to be alive.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 09, 2015 10:56 AM  

Hate to say it, but if we're going to keep our freedom of speech and all the rest, we're probably going to have to fight for it. And I don't mean with Tea Party rallies.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 09, 2015 10:57 AM  

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Blogger Ragin' Dave June 09, 2015 11:07 AM  

Entire societies can, and have, gone stark raving insane. There's nothing to prevent that from happening again.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 09, 2015 11:08 AM  

No use worrying about the odds. Everything- and I do mean everything- depends on God and the weather.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 09, 2015 11:17 AM  

@antonym

Yeah... tell that to all the people who died in the 20th Century, asshole.

OpenID genericviews June 09, 2015 11:18 AM  

...because even though we will probably lose, we will preserve the seeds from which future civilizations will grow.

So you are saying we should invest in those emergency seed banks? WILCO.

Anonymous LES June 09, 2015 11:19 AM  

TPTB want the money and the power to keep it. We are but sheep to be sheared and kept docile.

I am disturbed that routine encounters with the police require citizens to prostrate themselves on the ground in their presence.

Blogger Nate June 09, 2015 11:19 AM  

"...because even though we will probably lose, we will preserve the seeds from which future civilizations will grow."

everyone fights. no one quits.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 09, 2015 11:25 AM  

For the slow crowd: By "weather", I mean "resource restriction".

Blogger Cail Corishev June 09, 2015 11:35 AM  

everyone fights. no one quits.

"That's two rules, sir!"

Blogger David-093 June 09, 2015 11:41 AM  

""That's two rules, sir!""

They sucked his brains out.

Blogger David-093 June 09, 2015 11:50 AM  

"because even though we will probably lose"

It's interesting how the Xer attitude seems to be one of "the mission is hopeless but we'll fight anyway", whereas the general Millennial attitude I've seen is "this is our mission, don't quit, keep fighting, and victory is ours". We'll win, if it happens in twenty years or two hundred years we'll win. The West has survived worse than the SJWs and their masters, and no gang of neckbearded cock-sucking faggots are going to bring down the civilization that gave us Shakespeare, Mozart, the Parthenon, and America.

Blogger Quizzer W June 09, 2015 11:58 AM  

David-093: It is probably because many of us Xers could talk to grandparents who paid the price for the victory and therefore can at least picture how bad things might possibly get.

Many of us also probably get a lot of information from "old media" and see what "everyone else is seeing," despite the fact that most people under what, 35?, are getting their news from "new media," all of which have a feedback mechanism with which the BS can be called. At least if you are interested in finding that mechanism.

Anonymous buzzcut #207 June 09, 2015 12:01 PM  

I'm with Giuseppe. Wretches and Kings, We Come For You.

Anonymous Porky June 09, 2015 12:06 PM  

everyone fights. no one quits.

Goddamn right. Techno music must be destroyed.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 09, 2015 12:14 PM  

At least for the near future, yes, we will suffer losses. But that is not defeat.

Though, if the saying; "Whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad" has any validity, the USA is going to experience a retribution which will effectively end global atheism for 1000 years.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 09, 2015 12:22 PM  

It's interesting how the Xer attitude seems to be one of "the mission is hopeless but we'll fight anyway", whereas the general Millennial attitude I've seen is "this is our mission, don't quit, keep fighting, and victory is ours".

I've been thinking about that too. When Xers were growing up, the conventional wisdom was that boycotts never worked, because whatever sales were lost to the boycotters were more than made up for by the increased media attention. "There's no such thing as bad advertising." People sill boycotted, but it was understood to be a personal moral stand, without much expectation that it would accomplish anything. The idea that you can change the world by getting enough people to hold hands for a cause was very much a Boomer thing, so we rolled our eyes at it. I avoid shopping at Wal-Mart, but I do that for me, not because I expect it to affect Wal-Mart.

Maybe the difference now is that the Internet and social media make it possible for a boycott to spread enough that it can have a greater negative effect than the benefit from the increased media exposure. As an Xer, I'm skeptical of the idea, but it might at least be plausible enough to make Millennials feel differently about it.

Blogger JDC June 09, 2015 12:23 PM  

""That's two rules, sir!""

They sucked his brains out.


And Quaid cut off his arms with an elevator.

Anonymous clk June 09, 2015 12:36 PM  

Dizzy: My mother always told me that violence doesn't solve anything.

Jean Rasczak: Really? I wonder what the city founders of Hiroshima would have to say about that.

[to Carmen]

Jean Rasczak: You.

Carmen: They wouldn't say anything. Hiroshima was destroyed.

Jean Rasczak: Correct. Naked force has resolved more conflicts throughout history than any other factor. The contrary opinion, that violence doesn't solve anything, is wishful thinking at its worst. People who forget that always die.

Life immitating Starship Troopers

Blogger Scott June 09, 2015 12:42 PM  

We must fight the barbarians at every step

The problem is "We" are largely lazy idiots and deserve what's coming. Cable TV: Check, iPhone: Check, Starbucks: Check. All is well. We are the proverbial frog in the boiling pot. There is no fight in this frog.

Blogger Jourdan June 09, 2015 12:51 PM  

@ zen0

What I mean is that VDH follows the typical Conservtism, Inc. format in his writing: fully set forth the problem, describe its nature, describe the motives of its supporters...and then completely remain silent on what should be done to stop it, let alone argue what is morally defensible to stop it, beyond voting (R), which everyone knows is not a strategy at all.

Blogger Quizzer W June 09, 2015 12:55 PM  

Scott,
Everyone reading here should not be included in your "we." I, for example, have no iPhone, no Starbucks, and consider cable to be a necessary tool in fighting the culture war: you can't make fun of what you don't know.

The problem isn't us. Okay, it might be, but only because "we" haven't yet figured out how to get your typical "Dances With The Stars" viewer to see the extent of the problems, while Boobicus Americanus' top concern is who to vote off the island. Some of us are trying to make headway in that aspect of the culture war.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 09, 2015 12:56 PM  

We are the proverbial frog in the boiling pot.

There is no "we" in 4GW.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 09, 2015 12:59 PM  

Porky thread winner. The permanent professional reactionaries who ratify the Left even as they whine about the Left will serve one last mission, tread grease for our armored forces

Anonymous Porky June 09, 2015 1:07 PM  

Goddamn right, MantraMan.

In the words of Benny Hinn - "sometimes I wish I had a Holy Ghost Machine Gun - I'd blow their heads off".

Blogger guest June 09, 2015 1:19 PM  

The public school education, promoted and permitted by baby-boomers in the 90s, has sown it's fruits. It isn't just that these 30+ adults were indoctrinated, deliberately, with social justice dogma. They weren't just taught to "tolerate" all behavior. They were taught to defend all behaviors, as though they were the champions of the defenseless. That however, isn't close to the worst of it. The worst of it is, that somehow or another, these 90s students were trained to be incurious. They don't even want to know why the older generations have demurred from calling Jenner a she. The believe they already know why, and they have dismissed the arguments without even hearing them out. At this point, there is no stopping any insanity.

Blogger justaguy June 09, 2015 1:29 PM  

For those who think we will win outside of fantastic utopias such as "Victoria" (would NE really become a bastions of christian conservatism?), please identify where we will win? What country or section of the US will we win? As a Boomer, by the time I grew up, the Democrats had already seeded the destruction of the US in 1965. So while my generation wanted a conservative US, Perot gave us the Clintons and everything was sealed by demographics by then of Clinton's terms. GW didn't win popular vote in 00, barely won in 04. The federal government is so powerful and almost omnipresent in everyday of our lives (you can't be a work unless it is a small self-owned shop) without EEO, PC, OSHA, etc. As the few conservative/tea party attempts to form non-profits found, IRS and at times dozens of agencies auditing you--you can't win. Doesn't mean to stop trying--but activism(association, free speech etc) is already being curtailed... and all parts of Orwell's 1984 are here. We already ignore reality and the large voting masses follow propaganda--i..e. Hillary, war on women etc. VD left to find temporary sanctuary and we in the US are left praying for a leader to arise.

Anonymous zen0 June 09, 2015 1:30 PM  

@ Jourdan

>What I mean is that VDH......

Thanks.

Blogger justaguy June 09, 2015 1:45 PM  

Just to finish a two-part post from about #46. America looked as bleak in 1979-1980. It seemed that communism was winning, we were in retreat everywhere, the economy was worse than now, equal rights amendment looked to pass by 1979,and many of the laws that now are used against us were being put into place. We somehow managed to elect a leader and got another 20-30 years. So we fight on for our culture and our grand kids' future.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 09, 2015 2:08 PM  

On GenXers being "defeatist", I call bullshit.
As a generalvrule Xers tend to be black humour bastard, but they have a spine. Millenials instead are more like water balloons. They immediately think, say and believe they are all natural winners. Which lasts precisely upvtovthe first hurdle. At which point they collapse into a whiny puddle of piss.

Anonymous Dry end of the Titanic June 09, 2015 2:17 PM  

Just a guy,

Look at any chart of US Debt/GDP and you will see it go exponential around 1980. Reagan slashed taxes and went on a debt fuelled expansion of the military in order to bankrupt the Soviets. It worked, but after the fall of the Soviets, the spigot should have been turned off and debt paid down. But no, the spending and borrowing just continued. We will soon pay dearly for that continued fiscal incontinance.

Anonymous cheddarman June 09, 2015 2:18 PM  

I dont see how the U.S. and europe can continue to fund their welfare-warfare states. Once that goes away, people will realize they need to have children to survive into old age. That may turn some things around.

Blogger David-093 June 09, 2015 2:28 PM  

"They immediately think, say and believe they are all natural winners."

Wrong. Xers are very defeatist. Its why theyre apathetic and jaded towards trying to reclaim the West. They think the problem is too far gone, the enemies too numerous, the people too worthless. Millennials may be naively optimistic but better that than impenetrable cynicism.

Anonymous Takin' a look June 09, 2015 2:33 PM  

A commenter over at Stuff Black People Don't Like just posted something that rang like a gong.

The dindu nuffins are starting to scare the hell outta their greatest ally, guess who it is?

1.Jews
2.DWLs
3.State
4.White Women.

If you picked number 4, you are ahead of the game. The recent chimpouts in fergustu and bantumore are nothing compared to the chimpouts in pennsylvania and texas where dindu nuffins attacked white women and their children directly and repeatedly in formerly "safe" areas.

Bad move dindus, VERY,VERY bad move. Women are ruled by "feelz" and status; and you just threatened to destroy their insular whitopias. You just gave white men carte blanche to open a can of whoop-ass on you. And their women will be DEMANDING to the men, "Something MUST be done"......about YOU.

Blogger Josh June 09, 2015 2:38 PM  

We must fight the barbarians at every step, within and without, because even though we will probably lose, we will preserve the seeds from which future civilizations will grow.

We must set up two foundations at opposite ends of the earth...

Blogger Cail Corishev June 09, 2015 2:44 PM  

On GenXers being "defeatist", I call bullshit.

We're not defeatist; we just have little faith that our society's problems can fixed through the approved channels of politics and peaceful protest. We've known since childhood that we would never receive the "Social Security" we've been paying into all our lives, for instance, and we've known there was no way to fix that. End it, maybe, but not "fix it" with votes and political movements.

Another example: I was listening to an interview with Ann Coulter, talking about immigration. She's one of the few prominent people who gets it and isn't afraid to say so. She gave examples of exactly how bad things have gotten, and how with a handful of exceptions, the entire Republican Party has turned traitor against Americans. She described how, even though Obama's amnesty end-around was stopped by the courts, they're going ahead and calling illegals "DAPA recipients" just as if it happened. Illegals come right out in public -- with zero fear of being picked up and deported -- to complain about how they're forced to live in fear in the shadows. Carlos Slim's ObamaPhone deal is a well-known scandal, but they're trying to follow it up with free ObamaInternet. She even recognizes that legal immigration is a bigger problem than illegal.

So she's detailed all this, and then starts talking about how we have to defeat the Democrats next time, and I nearly yelled at the radio. She just spent the whole interview -- not to mention the book she's promoting -- explaining how the political process is hopeless against this because the two parties are united against the people, and the only thing that's slowed it down at all is the fear of direct anger from the populace. But she still can't help thinking, "If we could just get the right people elected, or make the people in office see the light." She knows intellectually that that wouldn't make a difference, but she was born in 1961.

Blogger Mark Citadel June 09, 2015 2:46 PM  

Let us just put things in the macro-perspective, without delving too much into the details.

1) This current world order is dying. As was predicted over 5000 years ago, the Modern Age is set to end in cataclysm. Yes, this entails untold suffering and devastation, but Christians, why does this bother you? At the Final Judgment, there will be untold suffering for those who have rejected the one true God. Do you fear this Judgment? What is to come is the opportunity we have awaited for almost 300 years! It is the opportunity that our intellectual predecessors died waiting for. Do you fear defeat? I quote Codreanu: "It was at that moment that the belief took hold in me - and it has never left me - that one who fights for God and his people, even if alone, will never be defeated." We Christians brought low by the machinations of the heretical and atheistic usurper Brahmin class will be the meek who inherit the earth.

2) The mission of the Christian is to see Christendom restored on the ashes of what is, not necessarily or likely on the same geographic lines as it once was, but with the coming turmoil, we have one simple mission:

Ensure the founding of a state(s) that is under the full and unchallenged political rule of Traditional Christianity. This means, the restoration of hierarchical authority or monarchy, the establishment of the Christian Church as its judicial basis, the resurrection of the patriarchal principle, and the exile of non-Christians to their own existences outside of our lands.

3) In some measure, though likely inadequate, a pursuit of justice is to be carried out on the mass murderers and Modern persecutors who find themselves within such new borders.

I see the comments here and elsewhere, some that bear the hallmarks of past heroes, with eyes set to goals, with no defeatism to put them off-balance. In others, I hear the all-too-justifiable pangs of pessimism. If your pessimism does not affect your ability to act and to think for the furtherance of the Reactionary agenda, then by all means be a pessimist! It is your arms and minds that are truly needed for the rough road ahead.

Ask yourself what you have to lose in pursuit of this mission. If all prophecy and prediction is correct, the future will be bleak whatever you do. Will you leave its reconstitution in the hands of those fools who have caused so much damage with their 'Enlightenment'? Rest assured, my brothers in solidarity, I see only two possible futures ahead. One in which we bear witness to the return of our Heavenly King, and the other a world very much like that of ages past, and in which our fallen will bear the names and tombs of heroes, and those who will kill us will bear the names of traitors and be cursed from generation to generation.

I echo the statement made above.

Wretches and kings, we come for you.

Blogger Quizzer W June 09, 2015 2:51 PM  

On GenXers being "defeatist", I call bollucks, also.

But any discussion with the topic "Descent Into Darkness" that devolves into "which group is more defeatist" has seriously gone off the rails...

Blogger David-093 June 09, 2015 2:52 PM  

"She knows intellectually that that wouldn't make a difference, but she was born in 1961."

Shes the very oldest of the Xer generation. Theres something to be said about having the right leader to guide the troops, but that belongs to a different time. This is a dishonorable age whete the only way to fight is 4th gen. Id much prefer a head on fight out in the open, but this is the way the enemy has set the board, and the way we'we'll meet them.

Blogger David-093 June 09, 2015 2:59 PM  

"Wretches and kings, we come for you."

Badass.

Blogger Jourdan June 09, 2015 3:15 PM  

I'm an Xer, and let me tell you coming up behind the Boomers...well...shit.

I'm of the opinion that a good leader could make all the difference, if that leader understood what Cail said about how real change is not possible through the current political system.

What is amazing to me is how far behind the U.S. is in resistance. Just about every country has an organized resistance but the United States.

I sometimes think that the "DeGualle" option of a small minority just up and proclaiming itself the rightful government and lead from there may be profitable. At some point, some man has to stand up and say "it's me, join or die" like Adams (both of em) did at a certain point.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 09, 2015 3:21 PM  

"VD left to find temporary sanctuary and we in the US are left praying for a leader to arise."

Praying for another human to save your ass is......pathetic....I know from experience....not proud of it.....

The only true leader will arise, His enemies scattered, the only question is whether you are one of those enemies ........... it's just not guaranteed to happen in my life time.....or yours......

Anonymous PA June 09, 2015 3:21 PM  

The unacknowledged formative and defining experience of GenXers was the early-90s Kulturkampf. Advent of political correctness, feminism, and anti-White culture. This happened as we were entering adulthood.

I dont know what to make out of Millennials. Heartiste recently posted a comment of mine that highlights their slavishnness. I don't know too many of them. Unlike us Xers, they never had a country of their own. Are they as lost as their detractors say? Or is there a fanatic with scores to settle under all that faggotry?

Blogger beerme #0183 June 09, 2015 3:29 PM  

Where is Col. Falkenberg when you need him?

Anonymous Porky June 09, 2015 3:32 PM  

I dont see how the U.S. and europe can continue to fund their welfare-warfare states.

Duh. With money, stupid.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 09, 2015 3:50 PM  

Shes the very oldest of the Xer generation.

There are different opinions about where Generation X starts ranging from 1961 to 1965, but most discussions of Boomers use the Census Bureau's range of 1946-1964. I'd say Coulter is either a young (Late) Boomer or in the overlap of the two groups.

I like her, so I'm not trying to bad-mouth her by calling her a Boomer. But she reflects the Boomer faith in political activism. If she'd been born 10 years later, she wouldn't still be trying to fix the GOP.

Theres something to be said about having the right leader to guide the troops, but that belongs to a different time.

Right. We may not even know who our leaders are, because they won't be running for office or bothering with the people who run for office.

OpenID simplytimothy June 09, 2015 4:00 PM  

I see our civilization emerging now, supplanting and replacing the decadent parasites. Let's look at some things that are new to this reboot.

1. Abundant faith.
2. Energy availability.
3. Instant, worldwide communications.
4. Instant knowledge on just about any subject.
5. Guns.
6. Freedom as 'natural' as the 'way things are' and not 'something to be hoped for'.
7. Experience with political systems that work--i.e. ante-bellum federalism.






Anonymous cheddarman June 09, 2015 4:15 PM  

Porky, you silly bitch we are paying for a good chuck of those programs with debt...and you know that.

Anonymous Native Baltimoron June 09, 2015 4:20 PM  

@PA:

Most Millennials, as far as I can tell, are perfectly content to jockey for status among the bien-pensant crowd on social media. Some, likely less than one in fifty, are aware that things are deeply wrong, and that America is rapidly coming apart at the seams; they're not optimistic that it can be turned around. Which, in my opinion, is a reasonable assessment.

Millennial libertarians are pretty stridently anti-racist, and tend to echo the left's narrative on gay marriage, transgenderism, etc. as well. They do like the idea of legalized pot, though, so there's that, I guess. I do live in an egregiously left-leaning state, though - it's pretty reasonable to assume that my experience isn't representative of Middle America.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 09, 2015 4:22 PM  

"52. David-093 June 09, 2015 2:28 PM
...
Wrong. Xers are very defeatist. Its why theyre apathetic and jaded towards trying to reclaim the West. They think the problem is too far gone, the enemies too numerous, the people too worthless. Millennials may be naively optimistic but better that than impenetrable cynicism. "



That cynicism you see is the complete lack of faith in worldly material solutions. The world is bankrupt, naked and starving and it deludes itself into believing the opposite.

If you expect solutions from the world you will get only lies.
The depth and breadth of corruption is likely beyond your comprehension. Every, and I do mean Every, human system is corrupted and corrupts because of who sits as prince of this world right now.

Practically everything you think true is a lie meant to decieve you so your life on earth will be as pointless as possible and your life after this one as painful as possible.

You don't fight the powers and principalities with human armies or human political movements. This is a battle of the spirit realm for the hearts and minds of all mankind. If you don't understand this you will be a casulty in a battle you didn't even know you were in.

Anonymous Cronos June 09, 2015 4:34 PM  

Back in the day, women's and minority voices were quite often ignored, squelched, erased and intimidated. Today they rarely are. The idea that free expression is less free today is is s confusion. Don't confuse certain ideas falling away as censorship.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW June 09, 2015 4:37 PM  

Back in the day, women's and minority voices were quite often ignored, squelched, erased and intimidated.

Bullshit.

Anonymous Dug June 09, 2015 4:39 PM  

Back in the day, women's and minority voices were quite often ignored, squelched, erased and intimidated. Today they rarely are.

They're as ignored, squelched, erased and intimidated as they've always been. When women and minority of the past spoke up in favor of what everyone else was saying anyway, they were applauded.

A woman or minority with an unpopular opinion, or even a popular opinion that isn't popular with the elite, is worse off today than in the past.

Anonymous Porky June 09, 2015 4:44 PM  

Porky, you silly bitch we are paying for a good chuck of those programs with debt...and you know that.

Yes, and everyone knows that debt is money. (Everyone, that is, but Nate and his number one fanboi :)

Anonymous Cronos June 09, 2015 4:54 PM  

Doug,
Back in the day, it didn't matter what opinion monorities and women had. They simply were not part of the conversation.

In fact, today we are in a Golden age of free speech and expression. There is an opinion and idea for everyone today, it is accessible and easily shared. Of all of our problems today, free expression surely isn't one of them.

Anonymous cheddarman June 09, 2015 5:01 PM  

Porky, fuck off.

Anonymous Porky June 09, 2015 5:04 PM  

I'm sorry, Cheddar.

Blogger David-093 June 09, 2015 5:22 PM  

@ Cail

" I'd say Coulter is either a young (Late) Boomer or in the overlap of the two groups."

Yeah, I'd say she's part of the overlap. She was definitely politically influenced by the Boomers, as a lot of her realtalk still contains a spark of hope that the System can be made to work, when in reality it's the System that's the problem.

"Right. We may not even know who our leaders are, because they won't be running for office or bothering with the people who run for office."

They very much prefer to remain unknown and in the dark. It makes it much more difficult to find them and shoot them for their many crimes against the country. Not that I'm advocating such things, you understand.....

"That cynicism you see is the complete lack of faith in worldly material solutions. The world is bankrupt, naked and starving and it deludes itself into believing the opposite. "

Christian Xers (Millennials, for that matter) have no business being in despair over these problems. Yes, they're bad, very, hideously bad. The fabric of society is frayed, people are full of fear, envy, and confusion. But there are many millions who form a Remnant and those are the ones who matter, it's they who will form the core of the next era of American (and Western) civilization.

Every Crisis period (I'm drawing on Strauss and Howe here) always feels like the end of the world to those living through it because every part of society is involved. Institutions are collapsing, government is corrupt, society is degenerate, everything is brought to the point of maximum decay where it will either die and stay dead, or be reborn and built into something worthwhile. This is all natural, albeit natural to a fallen world. Societies rise and fall, and progressive society is about to experience the fight of it's existence where it will either be completely exterminated and America is preserved, or the progs succeed and the true Americans are driven from their land, never to return.

"This is a battle of the spirit realm for the hearts and minds of all mankind."

Absolutely. America's crisis is, at it's heart, a spiritual one. Fix the heart (I wonder if there's Anybody we know that could do that.....), and the country can be saved. I have no idea if God is going to give America the Sodom-and-Gomorrah treatment, but I do know there are an enormous number of Christians in this country praying for it's salvation. I don't think God will destroy America, but I do think suffering and chastisement with the goal of bringing the nation back to Him are in the future.

Blogger David-093 June 09, 2015 5:23 PM  

@PA

"I dont know what to make out of Millennials. Heartiste recently posted a comment of mine that highlights their slavishnness. I don't know too many of them. Unlike us Xers, they never had a country of their own. Are they as lost as their detractors say? Or is there a fanatic with scores to settle under all that faggotry?"

Based on my, albeit limited experience, I'd say that most Millennials know there's something wrong with the country, but they don't know what to do about it and are mainly focused on getting a steady job and living a relatively secure existence. Politically Millennials are divided between the Progressives (which are a minority), the apathetic (which constitutes the majority), and the libertarians/right-wing who want the government to leave them alone and pay extremely close attention to the news. By and large, average Millennials are still very politically naive and easily lead since their politics are still undeveloped and they have had very little real-world experience. Based on their voting patterns from 2012 they (white Millennials) are paying attention and have begun leaning very much to the right, more so than the polls would have us believe, though not to the extent that white Xers are. It's an anomalae for Civic-types to be this much to the right, since they're usually a collective-minded, left-leaning generation. This may be due to the unusual social and cultural influence Xers have had on Millennials, as Xers are very conservative.

Socially, Millennials are very much okay with realtalk about race--they drop racial slurs like 12 year olds on xbox live. They really want to abandon feminism, but it's socially very difficult for Millennial girls to do so; female Millennials seem to be more feminine than female Xers, but there's also a lot of psychotic female Millennials as well, more so than in Gen-X. White male Millennials are brow-beaten into being pro-feminist, but there's been a lot of pushback against it, though it's disorganized and largely an undirected reaction still. There's also been a lot of emphasis on physical fitness and regaining masculinity that's been stirring among white male Millennials, but they're not as concerned with being physically tough as Xers are, who put the muscle in muscle-head.

Blogger David-093 June 09, 2015 5:23 PM  

cont'd

Economically they're very capitalist (despite relentless pro-socialism propaganda), but anti-corporation. They believe the government should stay out of the marketplace, but they also don't seem to be as focused on the rat-race for more money as the Boomers were. They want a secure job and the ability to raise a family in prosperity, but they don't want to waste away in an office and drink themselves to death like they saw the Silents and Boomers do. They're extremely pro-gun, they're anti-abortion (abortion rates have been plummeting for years now), they're either pro-gay or indifferent about it. White males are either very, pasionately Christian or indifferent, while female Millennials seem to be lukewarm about it.

They like hanging out with Xers and find them to be very fun, smart, tough, and easy to get along with. They see Boomers, by and large, as the parenting generation, so they love them as such, but many Millennials also see Boomers as responsible for the problems this country is facing. Xers would find it very easy to make Millennials their allies. Unlike Boomers, Xers are not seen as "uncool grown-ups", but more like the world-wise older sibling that's seen things and knows a thing or two about getting ahead. They like hearing from Xers how a lot of what they've been taught is wrong, they're not afraid of voicing their real thoughts to Xers, and they generally seem to trust them more. They see Boomers as more mature than Xers, but not necessarily as attuned to the way the world is.

That's my observations on the way Millennials are, for the benefit of Xers. Obviously this may not hold true across every part of the country, but from where I've spent my formative years (the South) this is what Millennials seem to be.

Anonymous zapbrannigan1 June 09, 2015 5:30 PM  

Appropos of the current discussion:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/08/the-full-story-of-the-mckinney-texas-pool-mob-inside-the-craig-ranch-subdivision/

Blogger Guderian June 09, 2015 6:40 PM  

I'm a Millennial, and I had a few minutes of extreme stress on election day 2012 when they called it for Obama. That was the day my hope for the persistence of America in its current form was extinguished. And since then things have only gotten worse. Now the only places I feel I can speak freely on the internet (at least in a way that won't go on my permanent record) are anonymous imageboards. I'm constantly evaluating if the people I meet are likely to be part what Steve Sailer calls the "Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police"; I assume they are until I see evidence otherwise. I've learned to only read the titles of articles I know will enrage me (like coverage of the Rotherham case) because if I read the whole article I'll be simmering all day.

I've become increasingly sick of all of the talking that dominates American society. All talk, no action, and all of the talk is about irrelevant, insane nonsense, with a good mixture of SJW propaganda to boot. My urge to destroy all of these ugly and poisonous things conflicts with my belief in conservatism and generally leaving people to their own devices. But I am feeling that conflict less and less as we crawl further into the 21st century.

But that's just me. I consider myself unusual among Millennials with regard to my political, philosophical, and theological views, and often find myself loathing most of my generational cohort. If a Caesar does rise to power in America, I don't doubt that the Millennials will fall into step under his banner, like the good Civic Generation that they are. But I won't forget how they marched in lockstep for gay marriage, abortion, open borders, and God only knows what else is coming down the pike.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 09, 2015 7:06 PM  

The entire boomer, millennial , Xer division thing is kind of a crock. I see a greater difference in opinions/worldview based on where folks grew up, what their place was in society, their ethnic background and their race/religion then the age they grew up in.

There likely is some generational validity to the difference in world view between middle class of the boomer generation and the Xer generation, but only to the extent that there was a common culture in that era. The common culture is pretty much gone, as far as I can see, with a hint of the broad based relatively socially equal middle class being a thing last achieved by some gen Xers, by no means all.

Those labels do not apply to the working class, upper classes or rural folks. Their perspective, in so far as I can tell, have not changed much generation to generation. The same is true of any group that sees itself outside of the common culture, be it Jewish people, colored, etc.

Now the reality of the millennial and late Xers is different, all they have known is decline in their adult life.

Come to think of it, the Same is true of putting Boomers in one pot. To say a person born in 1946 and subject to the Vietnam draft, but with ever better economic growth until 1972, is the same as a person born in 1964 who saw decline while growing up but saw a turn around about they time they became an adult in 1982 with no Vietnam era issues...well that is daft. The former have much more in common with folks born in 1940 and the latter have much more in common with folks born from say 1960 to the mid 1970s.

Yes I know the old people suck and that is fine to say, but the entire every one is defined by their generation makes as much sense as predicting a persons temperament by the sign they were born under or the Chinese birth year (dragon, rat, vole, tapeworm, etc.).

Blogger Jourdan June 09, 2015 7:10 PM  

Sam,man, you're making the same mistake leftists do when they confuse a reference to the general with the specific. Yes, we all know great guys who are Boomers. We also know there are some very, very tall Chinese guys in the NBA.

This doesn't render untrue that:
-- Chinese are short; and
-- Boomers are the worst people in the world.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 09, 2015 7:27 PM  

because even though we will probably lose. I'd agree, but for one thing - the imminent monetary crash.

Leftists are only charitable with other peoples money, if the people that hand out benefits are not paid they will do nothing for people. When the EBT foodstamps fail expect the zombie nigapocalypse.

No use worrying about the odds. Everything- and I do mean everything- depends on God and the weather.
It would be best if the EBT card went down in the winter so they couldn't make it far for looting. All it takes is a spoonful of thermite for the die verse city electricity to go down.

everyone fights. no one quits. Don't be above using/ growing poisons. "You want to take my preps that I spent hard earned money on sure"

Carmen: They wouldn't say anything. Hiroshima was destroyed. Hiroshima was rebuilt I doubt Detroit ever will be.

please identify where we will win? The Northwest Redoubt at least.

Anonymous Quartermaster June 09, 2015 7:50 PM  

"Where is Col. Falkenberg when you need him?"

Stuck on Washington with his new girl. I've tried to get Dr. Pournelle to let Christian Johnny off Washington, but, so far, to no avail.

Seriously, I think he gets off in Spartan Hegemony, but last I heard that was just in outline phase.

Anonymous Gary June 09, 2015 8:06 PM  

"As a general rule Xers tend to be black humour bastard, but they have a spine."

I'm 49 and you have described me to a "T" I'll also agree that I think things are not going to be fixed through normal channels.

I think there is going to be rope and lamp post assembling.

Anonymous BGS June 09, 2015 8:09 PM  

A woman or minority with an unpopular opinion, or even a popular opinion that isn't popular with the elite, is worse off today than in the past.

The SJWs are going after the black guy in the HOA that told the truth about the 100+blacks jumping fences at the "Pool party" attacking the security guards before the cops showed up.

Yes, and everyone knows that debt is money. For most of history debt went away when jews got kicked out of a nation.

Blogger J Thomas June 09, 2015 8:23 PM  

You know what gives me hope about how dark our world is getting?

The fact that it's always the darkest (and the coldest) right before dawn.

Anonymous rtp June 09, 2015 9:02 PM  

I am far more optimistic despite how grim things look right now.

Technology of the past 2 centuries has been good in and of itself but it has inadvertently led to a massive centralisation of people. This isn't a bad thing intrinsically but it has meant that the body politic has become increasingly busybody. It is the property rights themselves that has allowed us to enjoy the technology but the technology has gradually led to an increased desire for intervention. But the next technological revolution will revolve around cheaper/off-grid energy and 3d printing (possibly less landbased transport too). These are massively decentralising technologies as people are able to costlessly become more (or completely) self-sufficient. It doesn't mean they won't desire community but it does mean that they can live without government. I can see in a couple of generations time the average house will be 2-3 hectares with chicken runs and hydroponic systems. People will have 'normal' jobs too but they won't starve or go cold without either them or welfare leaving governments with very little bargaining chips. Governments in this scenario won't get any traction because they a) will find it hard to reach most people; and b) there will be minimal public support for their 'services' anyway.

Remember this is very different to the scenario in say, China of the early 20th century whereby the people were mostly rural because then they were dirt poor in the new scenario people will be very well off. Fomenting revolution under such a scenario will be exceedingly difficult. Having said that, as the current forced vaccination campaigns have shown, people just love doing evil things.

On a slightly related note to the evil of man, can I just say thank you Vox for your book The Irrational Atheist. It (as well as some apologetics material elsewhere) has started me back on a journey to God. Not that I ever had time for atheism but I always thought that agnosticism was the most intellectually defensible position.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 09, 2015 11:07 PM  

PA: "Define "lose". Physical eradication, or loss of institutions?"

The former. If we lose, we make our comeback when Neanderthal Man arises from his collective grave also.

Anonymous The other robot June 09, 2015 11:25 PM  

Where is Col. Falkenberg when you need him?

Would Lt Col Kratman be OK?

MOAR KRATMAN!

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 09, 2015 11:26 PM  

BGS how do you think gays will be received in a NW redoubt?

Anonymous The other robot June 09, 2015 11:29 PM  

BGS how do you think gays will be received in a NW redoubt?

If they are discreet there should not be a problem!

Blogger Henry Smith June 10, 2015 9:18 AM  

There's an upside to the death of our civilization: No death spiral has ever been so intensively documented. The unfolding events will be studied for the rest of human history, and will provide guidance on what not to do.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat June 10, 2015 3:27 PM  

There's an upside to the death of our civilization: No death spiral has ever been so intensively documented.

Won't matter. If/when there is a next time before Christ comes(*), the people of the time will just explain how the current time is so different, and how our example doesn't count.

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