Monday, June 15, 2015

Downfall of a Nobel Laureate

Sir Tim Hunt and his wife describe how the SJW witch patrol suckered and burned him:
As jokes go, Sir Tim Hunt’s brief standup routine about women in science last week must rank as one of the worst acts of academic self-harm in history. As he reveals to the Observer, reaction to his remarks about the alleged lachrymose tendencies of female researchers has virtually finished off the 72-year-old Nobel laureate’s career as a senior scientific adviser.

What he said was wrong, he acknowledges, but the price he and his wife have had to pay for his mistakes has been extreme and unfair. “I have been hung out to dry,” says Hunt.

His wife, Professor Mary Collins, one of Britain’s most senior immunologists, is similarly indignant. She believes that University College London – where both scientists had posts – has acted in “an utterly unacceptable” way in pressuring both researchers and in failing to support their causes. Certainly the speed of the dispatch of Hunt – who won the 2001 Nobel prize in physiology for his work on cell division – from his various academic posts is startling....

“I was told by a senior that Tim had to resign immediately or be sacked – though I was told it would be treated as a low-key affair. Tim duly emailed his resignation when he got home. The university promptly announced his resignation on its website and started tweeting that they had got rid of him. Essentially, they had hung both of us out to dry. They certainly did not treat it as a low-key affair. I got no warning about the announcement and no offer of help, even though I have worked there for nearly 20 years. It has done me lasting damage. What they did was unacceptable.”

The story appeared in newspapers round the world under headlines that said that Hunt had been sacked by UCL for sexism. Worse was to follow. The European Research Council (ERC) – Hunt served on its science committee – decided to force him to stand down in view of his resignation from UCL....

Hunt is under no illusions about the consequences. “I am finished,” he says. “I had hoped to do a lot more to help promote science in this country and in Europe, but I cannot see how that can happen. I have become toxic. I have been hung to dry by academic institutes who have not even bothered to ask me for my side of affairs.”
Hunt's crime? He said this: “Let me tell you about my trouble with girls. Three things happen when they are in the lab. You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticise them, they cry.”

I wonder what would have happened if he said the women who worked in his lab were racist neo-Nazis who produced bad-to-reprehensible work?

Of course, Hunt made two grievous errors. His first error: he apologized when he hadn't actually done anything wrong. Unlike Irene Gallo, there was nothing wrong with what he said. It was a joke. And it was a joke based on the reality of his long experience. Sure, it was probably a foolish one to make in today's hyperpoliticized environment, but Dr. Hunt presumably thought that his Nobel Prize and his standing in the field of science would be sufficient to protect him. He was wrong. His second error: he resigned. The university couldn't possibly have fired him for what he said, but the SJWs lied to his wife and convinced her to convince him to make it easy for them.

Now contrast this incident with the Gallo affair. Irene Gallo neither apologized for her indefensible statements nor recanted them. She has not resigned. And, unlike the unfortunate Dr. Hunt, she has given her employer more than sufficient reason to fire her for cause.

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Anonymous Ludo June 15, 2015 6:52 AM  

Never apologize!!!! Never surrender!!!! Unless you say mean things to Voxie.

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 6:59 AM  

The cruelty on display by the SJW establishment is really something. Imagine working one's entire life with an institution like this, to be a national leader in actually contributing something, and then to be Goldsteined at age 72.

It's a shame that he, like so many scientists, didn't recognize the game and refuse to play by the rules, but that is perhaps asking too much, especially considering that the UK is further destroyed than the US at this point.

We really should be considering alternate institutions at this point, including universities. This is a revolutionary situation.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 7:00 AM  

Never apologize!!!! Never surrender!!!! Unless you say mean things to Voxie.

Senior employees at Tor Books have been saying mean things to Voxie for 10 years now. I have not bothered to complain to Mr. Doherty in all that time. Irene Gallo didn't just say mean things to Voxie, she denigrated the quality of books Tor Books publishes, attacked the character of authors Tor Books publishes, and attacked tens of thousand of people to whom Tor Books is trying to sell books.

To try to characterize that as saying mean things to me is deeply and profoundly dishonest. If Gallo gave a damn about Tor Books or Tom Doherty, she would have resigned in order to minimize the damage to them. But she didn't, which means the damage and the consequences will likely be more extensive than they might have been.

Blogger njartist June 15, 2015 7:02 AM  

Yes, the Red Guards are in control; it is only a short time before it gets as violent as under Mao.

Blogger Jason Rennie June 15, 2015 7:05 AM  

There are a whole lot of clueless female scientists taking pics of themselves looking "sexy" in their lab wear as if this is some sort of meaningful comment and not the raving of the obviously deranged.

I wonder if we put all their contribution into a pile, if it would be as high as Dr Hunts.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 June 15, 2015 7:12 AM  

Where are the Mongol hordes when you need them? 1000 years ago a society as stupid, vapid, shallow, hypersensitive, and just plain weak as ours would have been quickly decimated by the next tribe over. C'mon aliens we need you now.

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 7:13 AM  

It's instructive to note how many scalps the Left has collected while we've been discussing Tor: by my count at least 3 innocent people have lost their jobs that we know of.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 15, 2015 7:19 AM  


No consideration for this man's livilhood, three harmless phrases meant as a joke, and one loses his job. Disgusting.

Anonymous Roundtine June 15, 2015 7:21 AM  

As soon as comments like Hunt's hit the media, there should be a form email that is sent to him, followed by a courtesy call, explaining what he has done and what is about to happen to him unless he takes the Red Pill.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 June 15, 2015 7:25 AM  

Vox, you've slowly convinced me of two things: One, SJW's always lie, and Two, Most People Are Idiots.
I was reluctant to accept your findings but now affirm them.
When Socrates was killed for political ineptitude the city regretted it. ie. they were smarter then than now.
MPAI. The economy of the West has largely self destructed on chasing ineffective measures on a non existent climate change problem. ie. MPAI. Boron cures arthritis for about 5 cents a day. ie. MPAI. Abiogenesis is an empirical impossibility. ie MPAI. Women and Men are hard wired, neurologically asymmetrical ie. MPAI. The bible actually is the basis of Western European history, culture, jurisprudence. ie. MPAI.
You are in my top ten list of websites and now climbing into the top five. I could go on, but you get the picture. cheers

Blogger Sherwood family June 15, 2015 7:29 AM  

As we saw demonstrated in l'affaire d'Eich and again in this situation, when dealing with SJWs no amount of success can compensate for any public deviation from the approved narrative; not a successful career, not a storied reputation, not even a Nobel prize. But, as Vox has pointed out, apologizing is a mistake. It essentially "chums" the water and makes the feeding frenzy worse. Resigning is also a mistake. Force the institution that wants to kowtow to SJW nonsense to put their wallets where their mouths are. Make them go through the painful legal battle to get rid of you rather than doing that job for you. If Hunt had said, "So?" when the hysterical mob showed up to demand he recant then the mob would have been left trying to force him out of a job. He could then have said the same thing to his employer and asked, in effect, "Are you willing to sack me over this? Because I am not leaving unless you force me." That would have been the end of it. His employer could have released the kind of statement Tom Doherty made that said Hunt's views were not shared or condoned but that his personal views were his own and that would have been the end of it. He could even have gone on the offensive and said something along these lines, "You were willing to believe me on issues scientific based on my personal observations and even award me a prestigious prize. Now my personal observations are not worth anything? I thought you lot trusted 'science' and the opinions of scientists?"

Blogger AmyJ June 15, 2015 7:32 AM  

I hope this convinces the people complaining about how "harsh" it is to demand Gallo's resignation that it isn't harsh at all; it's justice.

Blogger Sherwood family June 15, 2015 7:36 AM  

In game theory tit-for-tat is the correct method if one wants to ensure the best behavior possible over the long term. Or has been stated on this blog many times: start nothing, finish everything.

Anonymous zen0 June 15, 2015 7:37 AM  

(“Let me tell you about my trouble with girls. Three things happen when they are in the lab. You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you)

This is the part they pretend to be upset about, even though it is the basis of every movie aimed at female audiences

(, and when you criticise them, they cry.”)

That is the part that made them cry.

Blogger pyrrhus June 15, 2015 7:40 AM  

Everything Hunt said was true. Women personalize everything, and as Ambrose Bierce wrote, "the woman who can take constructive criticism has not yet been born."

Anonymous Giuseppe June 15, 2015 7:42 AM  

Fuck these people. (thanks Nate)
It's like shirtgate. I would have hired a dozen strippers, worn the shirt, no pants and would have danced with them, with my dick swinging to the tune of MC Hammer's "you can't touch this" as my response to feminists.

Admittedly at the age of 72 and married to a good wife, my response would have been more like "Fuck, you, you stupid little shit. Go ahead and fire me. I'll see to it you are personally named as the responsible little shit in question." depending on my health. But I'd remember the son of a bitch for when I am 92.

Anonymous Laz June 15, 2015 7:43 AM  

@ Sherwood family: No, the SJW's in charge would have fired him anyways and damn the legal repercussions.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2015 7:44 AM  

The difference is that people like Tim Hunt and Brendan Eich are basically decent men. When the institutions to which they've dedicated years of their lives, and even friends and respected associates in those institutions, turn and attack them full-bore without a hearing, it's overwhelming. At first they apologize, because they think, "Well, if these people I respect think I was wrong, maybe I was. Maybe I did hurt people, and I didn't intend that." Once they realize that won't help and the hate is completely irrational, it's so dispiriting that all they can think is, "I want out of here. Why would I want to stay with a bunch of people who apparently hate me?" So they don't fight back. They just want to get clear of the ugliness.

SJWs, on the other hand, are not basically decent people. They're already angry, hateful, and expecting to be attacked for their actions, because that's what they do to others for fun. So when they're called on something, apologizing is the last thing on their mind except as a cynical ploy. Their instinct is to raise the barricades, start calling in markers, and refuse to give an inch.

Anonymous Stephen J. June 15, 2015 7:46 AM  

And if a female scientist had made some joke about the problem working with male scientists -- I don't know, maybe something like, "Women have to do twice the work to be considered half as smart; luckily, this is not difficult" -- any man who griped about this wouldn't get a second of sympathy even from most other men.

It's as predictable as getting death threats from Islamists when you remark on Islamic tendencies to violence.

Anonymous MPC June 15, 2015 8:05 AM  

SJWs fuckin' love science until science hurts their feewings.

Blogger Mom June 15, 2015 8:10 AM  

I was wavering on the emails this morning. No more. Thank you, Vox

Blogger napari June 15, 2015 8:16 AM  

To me it makes no sense that an educated scientist like Hunt would just throw himself into the lions den at the first sign of trouble.
I suspect a contrived plot by SJW's in a deserate attempt to validate the narrative. Its a safe bet Dr Hunt will always have the 3 most improtant things in life: breakfast, lunch and supper! In other words despite resigning Dr Hunt will want for....drum!

Considering nearly 100% of SJW's come from academia I would not be surprised if Dr Hunt took one for the team.

Anonymous cecilhenry June 15, 2015 8:18 AM  

This just shows that the whole PC industry cares about orthodoxy not quality.

Truly disgusting--- a loss for the science community.

'Heretics' banned again for disturbing the thought police. We will remember.

Blogger James Higham June 15, 2015 8:22 AM  

I've only just written the same - never apologize. Eitehr what you said was right and thought out, in which case - why apologize?

Or it was wrong, so why did you say it?


Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2015 8:25 AM  

Conservative men have been trained to be the Old Patient Papa to Big Momma Liberal and their offspring Radical Child.

When they get their caning they probably think they should have done more, go ahead ask them.

Truth is they have a defective life script, we need to write them a better one.

Anonymous Mike M. June 15, 2015 8:29 AM  

Don't apologize, attack!

Remember, the SJWs are humorless, intolerant, spiteful bigots. If you call them on it publicly, they have no defense. None.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2015 8:39 AM  

Mike I disagree they do have a defense that does bring them back to leading the narrative while our side will then tailgate the conversation. They will claim they were threatened or some other nonsense, they play on our decency and the decency of the neutrals.

But since our side is comprised of intellectuals and not political street fighters it is for some reason seen to be unseemly to "DISQUALIFY" such Just Us Warriors actions.

We place ourselves in the defendant's chair in the interrogation room, and call it victory.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 15, 2015 9:14 AM  

Outrages like this don't happen in a vacuum. Yet we talk as if they do. There were and are specific human beings at University College London who are responsible for attacking Dr.Hunt, lying to him, demanding that he resign, etc.

Who are they? They must be IDENTIFIED, NAMED and TARGETED. No more anonymity for SJW's. We must play by their rules. Alinsky Rules.

Put an end to it: IDENTIFY them. NAME them. TARGET them.

And for those of you wringing your hands over how the phrase "TARGET them" could be misconstrued, that's too damned bad. Know why? I don't care.

Dr. Hunt and his wife know who the people are who engineered this academic atrocity. Names, positions, and contact information please.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 15, 2015 9:22 AM  

"It's as predictable as getting death threats from Islamists when you remark on Islamic tendencies to violence."

That isn't predictable at all you fool.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2015 9:29 AM  

Nothing better than interrogating the SJW that VFM #188 mentions. I mean if they have a Political Correctness line that must be toed then they should be able to describe it and justify it and accept the consequences of these actions.

Of course since they are women or feminized men they make up the rules and will abide no consequences but we have a work around for that

We will display them to the neutrals and we will make the PC zealots over react in front of the neutrals, no more hiding, no more claiming false authority.

One of the most powerful words used against a SJW is the pronoun "You" directed right at them for what they say and do in their lives.

Anonymous LJJ June 15, 2015 9:29 AM  

Oxford Physics guy here - the whole department's been abuzz with people whining and moaning about how he's held back women, even those who're holding some of the top STEM posts. So for those who say that the STEM fields are more immune, they're not. Most of this SJW-rubbish is already seeded among the younger graduates; they just don't vocalise it too much because of projects and deadlines. But give them a reason, an Emmanuel Goldstein? You get this outrage. Another example is that scientific expert Milo Yiannopoulos recently debated on the telly.

Now, to be fair to my colleagues, there's plenty of good scientific work that gets done. It's just that all of Britain is so steeped in leftist rubbish and that higher academia is so much of a leftist hugbox that the seeds for SJW-ism are now everywhere. If the Physics department is this bad, imagine the fools in Literature, or even at rubbish-tier places like UCL or the cesspit that is SOAS.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 15, 2015 9:40 AM  

And if a female scientist had made some joke about the problem working with male scientists -- I don't know, maybe something like, "Women have to do twice the work to be considered half as smart; luckily, this is not difficult" -- any man who griped about this wouldn't get a second of sympathy even from most other men.

I don't agree. What would happen is that you'd get, initially, strong backlash, then almost immediately a very strong defense from feminists, and instead of articles on Yahoo being about how the sexist man has been fired they would be about the "raging debate".

Whether or not the woman would feel pressured into resigning or not is a crapshoot.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 15, 2015 9:40 AM  

LJJ, can you identify for us the individuals behind the sacking of Dr. Hunt at Kings College London? Names, positions, contact information? All such information should be made available in every instance such as this. Can you help?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2015 9:49 AM  

I do believe the Duck Dynasty guy came out ahead after his 2 minute hate. But then somehow it appears to be sophisticated to grovel in front of utter human trash and the DD is a redneck from the swamps and not a Phd.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 15, 2015 9:54 AM  

As an aside, I'm starting to think Voxemort really is an appropriate name. The Morlocks (that one rolls off the tongue better than SJW) absolutely refuse to write out "Vox Day", as if it's some sort of talisman that will summon him to their living room.

On the other hand, as we know from their reaction to "One Bright Star", it might just be because they're not smart enough to understand nicknames.

Anonymous LJJ June 15, 2015 9:54 AM  

VFMbot #188: I've not very often dealt with the people at KCL, so I've no idea, sorry.

Blogger AmyJ June 15, 2015 9:58 AM  


That's because Phil Robertson has his priorities straight and a family that supports him as their patriarch, regardless of the media storms that came their way.

While it helps that he's a millionaire whose fortune isn't reliant on those outraged over his beliefs (tumblr users presumably aren't big duck call customers), he is a great example of how to correctly exercise "we don't care".

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 15, 2015 9:58 AM  

LJJ, can you then give us an idea as to how to proceed to find out who caused the sacking of Dr. Hunt? There must be some way of identifying the actors behind the scene, yes?

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 15, 2015 9:59 AM  

LJJ, can you then give us an idea as to how to proceed to find out who caused the sacking of Dr. Hunt? There must be some way of identifying the actors behind the scene, yes?

Anonymous Discard June 15, 2015 10:01 AM  

The scum proved his point. "…when you criticize them, they cry".

No mercy.

Blogger Doom June 15, 2015 10:26 AM  

And these people are still pissing themselves about Galileo, who actually shot himself in the dick, then kept tripping over the thing to increase damage... seemingly on exact purpose. He was given many chances. And, it was his employers he was shitting on. They'll get it when they get it, not until... I guess. But... they will get it. No choice in the end.

Who needs to burn the witch when they do it themselves, to themselves? Of course, anyone in academia, pretty much, is one of them, so... Not sure I give a shit.

Blogger Quadko June 15, 2015 10:33 AM  

"I will be conquered; I will not capitulate." - Samuel Johnson

Blogger Maple Curtain June 15, 2015 10:48 AM  

If he were a man of principle, he wouldn't have apologized and he wouldn't have resigned. But, he thought it was only lesser mortals who paid the price for bad-speak. Screw him. He'll get no sympathy from me.

OpenID mattse001 June 15, 2015 10:49 AM  

22. napari
"To me it makes no sense that an educated scientist like Hunt would just throw himself into the lions den at the first sign of trouble."

In this case, especially older people. They believe they are living in the more civilized past, and that the shenanigans of the left are an anomaly instead of the all-pervasive rot of a culture collapsing.

Anonymous Eric Ashley June 15, 2015 11:07 AM  

It used to be that being an old guy of long service, and a Nobel was sufficient defense for quite a lot. When the LOL bumped my car in the parking lot, her first defense was basically 'I'm a little old lady'.

I did make her apologize and maybe promise to be more careful. I'm a big meanie, I know.

Anonymous JI June 15, 2015 11:17 AM  

Yet another example of why we can't trust big Science. If scientists are under this kind of pressure over insignificant comments, then imagine what they'll be willing to say and write when larger issues are at stake.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 15, 2015 11:30 AM  

(, and when you criticise them, they cry.”) That is the part that made them cry.

I have always had to do a good job because I doubt crying would get me out of messes. If you want your sons to hear the lamentations of women tell them to aim their careers at Hospital Safety Officer.

"Women have to do twice the work to be considered half as smart; luckily, this is not difficult"

Women often confuse effort with work, if you can do something effortlessly that they struggle with like lifting over 20 pounds, they will think them drinking coffee is equal work.
Fuck these people. (thanks Nate) The 40yo+ career cat ladies are all yours.

Anonymous BGS June 15, 2015 11:31 AM  

Lets not forget the guy who won the Nobel Prize for DNA Dr James Watson getting sacked for telling the truth about blacks.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 15, 2015 11:32 AM  

@JL, #46: Two words: "Global warming."

Anonymous Jack Amok June 15, 2015 11:34 AM  

So for those who say that the STEM fields are more immune, they're not.

You're at an academic institution, what else do you expect? You live and work in an environment insulated from the real world, of course SJWism will be rampant.

I was a Regan Republican when I enrolled in college. I was an anti-government libertarian when I graduated. See, college does mold minds...

Anonymous patrick kelly June 15, 2015 12:15 PM  

This has inspired me to put "Sorry, I've given all my f**ks, unless you're a hot, 20 something young woman with poor morals, judgement, and impulse control....." into my bag of responses......

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii June 15, 2015 12:19 PM  

I concur P_G. I check this place every day I am able to get online.

Blogger Corvinus June 15, 2015 12:28 PM  

You're at an academic institution, what else do you expect? You live and work in an environment insulated from the real world, of course SJWism will be rampant.

SJWs run academia. Anti-SJWs within it have to keep their heads down.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2015 12:46 PM  

why apologize?

Or it was wrong, so why did you say it?

I touched on this in an earlier comment, but in short: they apologize because they're sorry.

Imagine that you're just an ordinary, decent guy, who does his job and cares for his family and tries to do right by his friends, but who doesn't know that SJWs Always Lie. One day you tell a joke, and the next day someone comes running up to tell you breathlessly that there are three calls for you from major newspapers, wanting a response from you on charges that you're a sexist. Your boss says that he's getting calls from people claiming to lead women's groups demanding your ouster. When you check your email, it's full of the worst vitriol you've ever seen.

Now, because you don't know that SJWs Always Lie, it doesn't occur to you that the whole thing, from the first complaint to every single Two-Minute Hate article being written, is a sham, that the entire thing is manufactured outrage that would evaporate away in a couple days if you and your bosses laughed at it. Being a decent sort who doesn't think that kind of thing is possible, you assume that, while it may have been exaggerated, someone must have been hurt by what you said, or this wouldn't be happening. You're sorry that you hurt someone, even accidentally, so you apologize.

On the other hand, you know it was just a joke, and that you didn't do anything wrong. So the apology comes off as one of those mealy-mouthed "I'm sorry if you were offended" apologies that people use when they don't mean it but need to cover their asses. The main thing it does is to alert the SJWs that you're one of the suckers who doesn't know SJWs Always Lie, so if they keep the pressure on, they can get at you.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 15, 2015 12:46 PM  


Phil Roberston has a master's degree, and was a heck of a football player. He decided that hunting was more important as a young man.

He has weathered a number of storms, many caused by poor choices in his early days, so the media storm is small potatoes.

Anonymous 10900209 June 15, 2015 1:00 PM  

I wonder if incidents like this happened as the Khmer Rouge was rising to power.

Blogger B.J. June 15, 2015 3:03 PM  

People really need to realize that apologizing to these idiots is a huge mistake. All it does is chum the waters and send them into a feeding frenzy. You're basically dealing with animals, and animals don't respect cowardice or appeasement, only dominance.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 15, 2015 3:30 PM  

It's highly offensive to see you comparing them to "animals," B.J.

They are not "animals."

They are "vicious, dangerous animals."

Just a heads-up.

Anonymous Discard June 15, 2015 5:28 PM  

Regarding the question of Dr Hunt not yet realizing that the civilized world that he grew up in is gone: It has been extremely painful, but I learned. Had I not been repeatedly cheated out of honestly earned rewards, I might well be sitting in my chair, looking down uncomprehendingly at those stupid whiny White guys and collecting my fat pension. I am not so vain as to think I would have seen the truth had it not been crammed down my throat.

All things being equal, I'd rather be collecting the fat pension, but I'm not blind to the benefits of being discarded. It hurts to see the world as it is, but it would hurt a lot more to get blindsided like this scientist. Suck it in, Sir Tim; it's your turn in the barrel.

Anonymous Castaigne June 15, 2015 5:53 PM  

Of course, there's something being ignored in this whole bit - why is Dr. Hunt telling jokes in the first place? I don't encourage levity in my workplace; I expect all of my subordinates to be focused on work, not ha-has. You can't get the SJWs on you for a joke if you're not joking in the workplace.

Anonymous A. Nonymous June 15, 2015 7:40 PM  

"It's as predictable as getting death threats from Islamists when you remark on Islamic tendencies to violence."

That isn't predictable at all you fool.

Point reinforced.

Anonymous rtp June 15, 2015 10:25 PM  

His wife's an immunologist so it comes as no surprise she couldn't discern an obvious SJW lie. The one and only skill immunologists have is their ability to believe the most patently ridiculous ideas.

Blogger J Melcher June 16, 2015 4:17 PM  

Rajendra Kumar Pachauri, anyone? Perhaps he might actually confirm, experimentally, Dr Hunt's remarks. (Case 2)

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