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Wednesday, June 03, 2015

Hugo Recommendations: Best Fan Writer

This is how I am voting in the Best Fan Writer category. Of course, I merely offer this information regarding my individual ballot for no particular reason at all, and the fact that I have done so should not be confused in any way, shape, or form with a slate or a bloc vote, much less a direct order by the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil to his 368 Vile Faceless Minions or anyone else.
  1. Jeffro Johnson
  2. Dave Freer
  3. Amanda S. Green
  4. Cedar Sanderson
  5. Laura J. Mixon
With regards to Mixon, I still don't consider a professional writer with five novels published by Tor who also happens to be the current SFWA President's wife to be anything remotely recognizable as a proper "Fan Writer", but that ship sailed back when John Scalzi, Jim Hines, and Kameron Hurley waged their successful campaigns for it. No sense in fighting battles already lost.

The more relevant problem is that Best Related Work would be a more reasonable category for a single expose, and Deidre Saorse Moen's expose of Marion Zimmer Bradley was a considerably more important work in that regard. That being said, I don't regard the Hugo Awards as being the place to recognize investigative journalism, otherwise I would have nominated Saorse Moen's stunning revelations about Marion Zimmer Bradley as a Best Related Work. But regardless, Mixon did publish a credible expose and she is a legitimate, if not necessarily compelling candidate.

Best Novel
Best Novella

Now, what is interesting is that the very SJW who is leading the charge to change the Hugo rules this year has also declared that personal dislike and ideological opposition is sufficient cause to vote No Award.
Best Fan Writer

Freer’s been an ass to me, and incoherent at length to pretty much everybody, so no rocket for him. Green and Sanderson seem to not like SJWs like me, so I’ll return the favor. I’m a bit reluctant to give Mixon the award for an expose. Johnson at least restricts himself to book reviews, so my ballot is Johnson and no award.
Note the name on the B.1.1. proposals: "Proposed by: Chris Gerrib, Catherine Faber and Steven desJardins".  This quite clearly demonstrates that the impetus to change the rules is, as we expected, being driven by SJW ideology and feelbads about the wrong people being nominated. So it is more than a little ironic that Chris Gerrib and I will nevertheless be voting for the same individual in the Best Fan Writer category, as Johnson's work is excellent, well-researched, and resolutely apolitical.

But Gerrib shows the fundamental difference between the SJW and the Puppy. I put Marko Kloos on the Rabid Puppy slate in the full knowledge that he hates me. I have repeatedly nominated Charles Stross for the Nebula Award in the past; you can look up the old NAR records and see that I was, in fact, one of the only members of SFWA championing his work back then. I openly declare China Mieville to be one of the three best living SF writers despite the fact that his politics and his economics border on the brain-damaged. I wouldn't hesitate to nominate Johnny Con himself if he ever wrote a novel that was legitimately worthy of a nomination.

The SJWs don't do that. They are ruled by their feelings, and the mere semblance of ideological distaste for them is sufficient to render a writer's work without merit and unworthy of any award.

And that, my dear SJWs, is one of the two reasons why we don't believe you when you preen and posture and proclaim the works of the right to be unworthy. Because every time the mask slips, we see that the real reason behind the various rationales being given is the writer's disapproval of your noxious ideology.

The other reason, of course, is that we have working memories. We are able to compare what we believe to be meritorious to what you have previously prized. You expect us to believe that "Turncoat" is a bad short story while "If You Gave a Dinosaur a Cookie, My Love" is among the very best the genre has to offer. You expect us to accept that the insightful essays of Transhuman and Subhuman and the impeccable science of "The Hot Equations" are totally unworthy of an award that has gone to a ridiculous and factually incorrect blog post, Chicks Dig Time Lords, and a collection of online blog snark in recent years.

In short, we do not believe a word you say about literary quality. After all, you say a man is actually a woman, you say evil is actually good, so it is hardly surprising that you also tell us good SF is actually terrible while declaring dreadful Pink SF to be superlative.

SJWs always lie.

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70 Comments:

Blogger Philip Sandifer June 03, 2015 9:40 AM  

I am also puzzled why Mixon was pushed in this category and not Best Related Work - the reason seems to be that Martin recommended her for Fan Writer. But he's a better novelist than a critic.

That said, I think investigative journalism about SF/F is a fine thing to win a Hugo for - that seems to me the sort of thing that "Related Work" and "Fan Writer" are meant to go to. Certainly investigative journalism is more Hugo-worthy than a collection of random quotes from Facebook that are not actually about science fiction or fantasy, which appears to be the sort of thing that passes for a Related Work this year.

Anonymous buzzcut #207 June 03, 2015 9:48 AM  

If You Were a Lesbian Manatee, My Love

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 9:48 AM  

The reaction to The Hot Equations has been the most starkly informative. They range from "doesn't interest me so I'm voting no." to "I'm not into this sort of thing so no."

Its not just that they don't understand it. They have no desire to understand it. And as always... they view their ignorance as a sign of superior intelligence.

Blogger VD June 03, 2015 9:50 AM  

Certainly investigative journalism is more Hugo-worthy than a collection of random quotes from Facebook that are not actually about science fiction or fantasy, which appears to be the sort of thing that passes for a Related Work this year.

I wouldn't go that far. Would you say my own expose of SFWA harboring Ed Kramer among its members was similarly worth of a nomination? Of the three exposes, that is the only one that actually produced any results.

But then, the Hugo voters have already established that collections of random quotes that are not actually about science fiction or fantasy are not only worthy of being nominated for Best Related Work Hugos, but winning them. The Williamson work follows in the Scalzi tradition.

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 9:52 AM  

"If You Were a Lesbian Manatee, My Love"

HOOOOOOOOOOONNNNN...

Anonymous Alexander June 03, 2015 9:55 AM  

It follows of course that if you can No Award someone simply for not liking them, then you can award them because you do. Or in Scalzi-speak, because you thought 'here's a nice guy, maybe he'd like a Hugo...'

Of course, while it's okay to explicitly state that one votes for one's Hugos entirely based on one's perception of the author, it is NOT OKAY to suggest that the awards are a popularity contest and thus deserve no prestige whatsoever on the ground of being a collection of the best in the field.

I am afraid that I cannot in good conscience cast a vote for Laura Mixon. Especially in a category like this where I do not see the strategic payoff in insuring all five slots are filled.

My friends over at Making Food, NotaRapefetishist, and McRapey's will of course fully appreciate my right to deny a nomination solely on the basis of one's associates and ideologies. Especially when the idea that such a person is a 'Fan Writer' is absurd.

Blogger VD June 03, 2015 9:55 AM  

The reaction to The Hot Equations has been the most starkly informative. They range from "doesn't interest me so I'm voting no." to "I'm not into this sort of thing so no."

Yep. Nothing, absolutely nothing, will destroy the legitimacy of the Hugos more thoroughly than No Award beating out "The Hot Equations". It's flawless hard science directly related to every single science fiction work that involves space, past or present.

If that's not worthy of an award, then the awards need to go.

I can understand, though disagree, with someone disliking TRANSHUMAN. I tend to agree with those who roll their eyes at WISDOM FROM MY INTERNET. But there is nothing to disagree with about "The Hot Equations" unless they can show he got the science wrong.

I think it is telling that very few people have said boo about RIDING THE RED HORSE. It is an excellent anthology and even the haters know it.

Anonymous Nathan June 03, 2015 9:55 AM  

Could it be that the genre's slipping from science fiction to space fantasy? You can have my cloaking device and my understanding of space as a 3-D version of an ocean when you pry it from my cold dead hands?

As for Fan Writer or Fan Anything, it's time those categories vanished.

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 9:56 AM  

also... I note that Chris Gerrib looks pretty much exactly like I would've expected him to look... if I bothered to think about what Chris Gerrib would look like.

Blogger VD June 03, 2015 9:56 AM  

I am afraid that I cannot in good conscience cast a vote for Laura Mixon. Especially in a category like this where I do not see the strategic payoff in insuring all five slots are filled.

Then just leave her off. You don't want to give No Award a vote.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 03, 2015 10:01 AM  

I've noted elsewhere - I find "Freer was an ass to me" pretty damning.

Not of Dave.

I'm not sure what's worse: the fact that Chris - who I've seen on multiple Fora be a total passive - aggressive "I was 'just'" (no, you weren't JUST) asshat managed to piss Dave off enough that Dave lost his cool at him or the fact that Chris was so wrapped up in feeble for being opposed that he's willing to smear Dave in the process.

In either case, given how I've personally observed Dave behave, it reflects poorly on Chris's character. Given I've observed Chris in action, I'm willing to bet Dave wasn't an ass either....

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 03, 2015 10:01 AM  

I still don't consider a professional writer with five novels published by Tor who also happens to be the current SFWA President's wife to be what anything remotely recognizable as a proper "Fan Writer",

Perhaps they are just recognizing the quality of writing for how she would place without her husband.
"If you where sleeping with the SWFA president my love" A hugo award winning story of cismarried privilege.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 03, 2015 10:02 AM  

feelbad - not feeble..... though that works too....

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 10:02 AM  

"I think it is telling that very few people have said boo about RIDING THE RED HORSE. It is an excellent anthology and even the haters know it."

When File 770 came out and unashamedly expressed joy at the revival of TWBW... a shift took place. One of the bigger rabbits had said, "i like this" and you don't go after one of the Big Rabbits lightly. So they avoid TWBW and by extension Riding The Red Horse... because of the associations with Glyer.. and Pournelle is just to big a name to challenge. They take on him they are basically outting themselves as Not-Fan.

That's my theory anyway.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 03, 2015 10:05 AM  

@Nate
The reaction to The Hot Equations has been the most starkly informative. They range from "doesn't interest me so I'm voting no." to "I'm not into this sort of thing so no."

Its not just that they don't understand it. They have no desire to understand it. And as always... they view their ignorance as a sign of superior intelligence.


"Science fiction" fans bored of or "not into" science and engineering related to space travel and how it affects their stories....

I think no more comment on such "fans" than that is necessary.

Anonymous What are your names, wayfarers? June 03, 2015 10:05 AM  

The funniest thing about the whole Marion Zimmer Bradley kerfuffle is all the SJWs pretending they had no idea it happened, when this:

http://www.stephengoldin.com/MZB%20Website/Marion%20Zimmer%20Bradley%20%20In%20Her%20Own%20Words.html

...was on the first page of Google results for "Marion Zimmer Bradley" for over a decade (and is only gone from there now because the flurry of recent articles has knocked it off the front page).

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 03, 2015 10:06 AM  

@Nate - If I recall, MRK had passive-agressively implied to her fans (or at least let them run with the assumption, wink and nod) that Pournelle was one of the ones she meant by "twelve rabid weasels of SF"

They're as willing to attack him as Heinlein, they just do it more deniably.

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 10:12 AM  

"@Nate - If I recall, MRK had passive-agressively implied to her fans (or at least let them run with the assumption, wink and nod) that Pournelle was one of the ones she meant by "twelve rabid weasels of SF""

I agree... but in the context of the Puppies War the rabbits are keenly aware that the spotlight is on them. We're accusing them, in no uncertain terms, of not being actual Sci-Fi fans. So in order to keep their lie going they have more pressure now to dial back those attacks. but remember I'm just talking about fans.

Anonymous # 34 June 03, 2015 10:15 AM  

I was going to vote her below No Award, but the brain implant has corrected this and I am voting exactly like this.

Blogger Philip Sandifer June 03, 2015 10:15 AM  

I wouldn't go that far. Would you say my own expose of SFWA harboring Ed Kramer among its members was similarly worth of a nomination? Of the three exposes, that is the only one that actually produced any results.

I've not read it. Though its merits compared to Mixon's seem beside the point: you didn't put yourself on the ballot for Fan Writer or Related Work.

Blogger VD June 03, 2015 10:17 AM  

I was going to vote her below No Award, but the brain implant has corrected this and I am voting exactly like this.

As a general rule, the Supreme Dark Lord knows what he is doing and has very good reasons for selecting a specific course of action.

Blogger VD June 03, 2015 10:19 AM  

Though its merits compared to Mixon's seem beside the point: you didn't put yourself on the ballot for Fan Writer or Related Work.

A terrible oversight on my part. Although it would be vastly amusing to see someone on there for both Best Professional Editor and Best Fan Writer. That would amply illuminate the stupidity of Scalzi's argument that everyone is a fan.

OpenID cirsova June 03, 2015 10:29 AM  

I've been a fan and follower of Jeffro's for a couple years now; I'm really happy that you gave him a platform on Castalia for his Appendix N series. It's been quite a ride.

Anonymous Ridip June 03, 2015 10:37 AM  

Then just leave her off. You don't want to give No Award a vote.

So if one wants to avoid No Award going to anything this year, is the best course of action to only vote for those things you feel are worthy and leave the other positions blank?

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 10:40 AM  

"As a general rule, the Supreme Dark Lord knows what he is doing and has very good reasons for selecting a specific course of action."

I must have a defective brain implant. Because I'm still voting Big Boys Don't Cry over One Bright Star.

Its just better.

No offense to Mr Wright.

of course a 1-2 swap is of little consequence. in the grand scheme when the rest of the ballot is the same

Anonymous buzzcut #207 June 03, 2015 10:46 AM  

If You "Pitch a Tent" In Church, My Love

Blogger VD June 03, 2015 10:50 AM  

So if one wants to avoid No Award going to anything this year, is the best course of action to only vote for those things you feel are worthy and leave the other positions blank?

In that category, yes. Cross-category is irrelevant.


I must have a defective brain implant. Because I'm still voting Big Boys Don't Cry over One Bright Star.


SOMEWHERE IN A MASSIVE DARK TOWER, A DIALOGUE TAKES PLACE:

SUPREME DARK LORD: (clears throat)

MALWYN: I'm on it, I'm on it! Dammit, where did I place my whip?

MINION #265 (weakly) I think it stuck to my back after the blood dried.

MALWYN: Oh, thank you, sweetie! (rip)

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 10:51 AM  

"MALWYN: Oh, thank you, sweetie! (rip)"

Bring it Nancy.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 03, 2015 11:00 AM  

"If you where sleeping with the SWFA president my love" A hugo award winning story of cismarried privilege.

lol

Blogger James Sullivan June 03, 2015 11:01 AM  

Jeffro 's stuff is fantastic.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 03, 2015 11:07 AM  

I was going to vote her below No Award, but the brain implant has corrected this and I am voting exactly like this.

Brain implant bugfix report 40912:

Find-replaced all instances of "the brain implant" with "the weight of my conscience as a responsible individual" in verbal output stream.

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 11:13 AM  

VFM 0001 Checks Hugo Voting Ballot.


1. One Bright Star
2. Big Boys Don't Cry


....


What?1?

Blogger Philip Sandifer June 03, 2015 11:17 AM  

A terrible oversight on my part. Although it would be vastly amusing to see someone on there for both Best Professional Editor and Best Fan Writer. That would amply illuminate the stupidity of Scalzi's argument that everyone is a fan.

Well, you can't ballot stuff 'em all.

I think the fan/pro distinction is easier than you want to make it, at least in a quantitative sense. Fan work is unpaid or production-costs only. A professional writer like you or I can still make fan work. In my case, I'd argue that the initial blog version of my Doctor Who work is fan work, while the self-published book versions that pay my rent are not. So it makes sense to consider you or Mixon as fan writers; one would evaluate only the unpaid portions of your output.

Whether this is actually how nominations of pro fans within the category are judged by the majority of voters is, of course, an unknowable mystery of the universe.

Anonymous MendoScot June 03, 2015 11:17 AM  

When the maniple wheels, the VFMs wheel with it.

Anonymous Red VFM #349 June 03, 2015 11:22 AM  

Nancy must have brought it in spades.

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 11:25 AM  

"Nancy must have brought it in spades."

something nefarious is going on here...

But I suppose that's to be expected...

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes June 03, 2015 11:32 AM  

I noticed Instapundit wrote "SJWs always lie" in his commentary. I wonder where he might have gotten that?

Blogger VD June 03, 2015 11:41 AM  

I noticed Instapundit wrote "SJWs always lie" in his commentary. I wonder where he might have gotten that?

Obviously not here. I have been repeatedly and reliably informed that I lack credibility and am sans influence.

Blogger Steveo #238 June 03, 2015 11:42 AM  

@Philip Sandifer

So an obstetrician (MD) doing pro bono work for the poor can win best mid-wife?

Blogger Stilicho #0066 June 03, 2015 11:43 AM  

A professional writer like you or I can still make fan work.

Nah, that's just pro work that didn't sell. I understand the distinction you're making, but the award is best served by limiting it to amateurs, which, IIRC, is the point of that particular award. Glyer can address the historical aspects of it though.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 03, 2015 11:46 AM  

"Pale Realms of Shade" is where it's at.

Blogger Nate June 03, 2015 11:52 AM  

"A professional writer like you or I can still make fan work."

That's just flatly stupid. You're either a pro or your not.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 03, 2015 12:03 PM  

@cirsova
I've been a fan and follower of Jeffro's for a couple years now; I'm really happy that you gave him a platform on Castalia for his Appendix N series. It's been quite a ride.

Second that.

Anonymous BGS June 03, 2015 12:25 PM  

"Nancy must have brought it in spades."

I ♣ CHORFs

Anonymous patrick kelly June 03, 2015 12:34 PM  

"Chris Gerrib " - my evil dyslexic eyes and mind always contort this into "Chris Gerbil" every time I read it....

Anonymous BGS June 03, 2015 12:48 PM  

OT: DarthSoros hacked Old news for everyone that knew about him stealing 33tons of Ukraine's gold
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-01/hacked-emails-expose-george-soros-ukraine-puppet-master

My new favorite rebuttal to people saying whites becoming a minority is a good thing.
“In one century we went from teaching Latin and Greek in high school to offering remedial English in college.” – Joseph Sobran

Blogger David-093 June 03, 2015 1:30 PM  

It's curious how both the VFM voting pattern and the Supreme Dark Lord's keep lining up nigh perfectly. Were I a voxeist I would assume there was Design at play, but since we are told that that is impossible I'll have to assume it's the result of millions of random votes just happening to be cast in a way that benefits the Evil Legion of Evil.

Blogger Philip Sandifer June 03, 2015 2:15 PM  

Nah, that's just pro work that didn't sell.

That implies that the work was for sale.

Blogger Feather Blade June 03, 2015 2:21 PM  

Quick, no one tell Gerrib that Johnson posts his stuff on the Castalia House blog.

Blogger Migly June 03, 2015 2:31 PM  

Science fiction fandom has a long history of being a place where people get to interact with the creators of these fascinating ideas, which explains why the overarching story behind the Hugos is the desire to give awards to people as much as to great works.

And while we have these fan categories, what I have observed is that for the most part fans consider them wasted if given to other fans they've never heard of rather than a writer they have heard of who has written in support of a cause they value.

As to how the person gets nominated in a particular category... When there is voter support to recognize something like Laura Mixon's report on RH, somebody usually starts the ball rolling by saying "I think Laura Mixon deserves a fan writer Hugo for this." It could have been put forward in any of three categories (Best Related Work, for the report, Best Fanzine for appearing on her blog, or Best Fanwriter). That Fan Writer was the choice is more a social outcome than a rules-driven outcome.

Blogger Daniel June 03, 2015 2:36 PM  

Thanks to the Dark Lord for the benevolent redundancy of a written list of suggestions, and the matching psionic commands that have been delivered most violently by esoteric means and incantations.

It is like bodily possession, but with fewer sexual side effects...and far more agony.

Blogger luagha June 03, 2015 3:13 PM  

By the by, just finished Three Body Problem. That is a heck of a book and a heck of a translation, bringing through its particular character. Very historically informative, which is assisted by its documentary style. In another work, a documentary style would detract, but here it works perfectly.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man June 03, 2015 3:28 PM  

Round about the time when the nominations came out, I just wanted to celebrate...like it was party time, ya know? Just go off and have a great big <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M>celebration...for no particular reason at all.

I sure hope I get the chance to do that again in August or thereabouts...for no particular reason at all.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man June 03, 2015 3:29 PM  

Round about the time when the nominations came out, I just wanted to celebrate...like it was party time, ya know? Just go off and have a great big celebration...for no particular reason at all.

I sure hope I get the chance to do that again in August or thereabouts...for no particular reason at all.

Blogger Rantor June 03, 2015 3:50 PM  

After nearly three weeks my membership number and pin arrived. Also instructions for voting on the next worldcon site. Are True Finns everywhere voting Helsinki? Or is there another Ilk preference? I for one have always wanted to visit Finland ever since Monty Python sang of the glorious land, many miles from Vietnam.

Blogger VD June 03, 2015 4:30 PM  

Of course we support Helsinki.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 03, 2015 5:18 PM  

On 4chan, I saw a guy claim that a particular porn star is an SJW to which another guy answered "That just means she's a nice and genuine human being".

We're gonna need more rope.

Blogger Dave Freer June 03, 2015 6:31 PM  

"Freer’s been an ass to me, and incoherent at length to pretty much everybody" sniff. I shall wear this with such pride, just because it comes from Crissy! I am amply rewarded for the time spent pointing out he was mathematically illiterate and logically incompetent.

To be fair to Mixon (I do not approve of her biased reporting, but still) 1)I have 20 novels published. 2) Both Amanda and Cedar are independently published - and both quite successful at it. I suspect they outsell Mixon, who IIRC has day job and a husband to share cost (he also has a day job). Strictly speaking she's more of a 'hobbyist' than any of the three of us. 3) I am not, and never have been married to the pres of SFWA. Neither have Amanda or Cedar or Jeffro. Speaking strictly for myself, I hope to avoid that dreadful fate.

I raised the same objection to my being nominated Vox does on MGC when I was first put on recommended lists and, um, never found out my name was still there. I actually didn't know I had been nominated (the Hugo Admins didn't succeed in contacting me) until the nasty messages started popping up telling me I was going to suffer for it and should immediately abase myself. I don't bully well, so despite the fact I didn't want to be there, or feel I should be, I still am. Screw them and the donkey they rode into town on (the difference is hard to establish, but the donkey is the more intelligent and prettier).

Jeffro seems a good guy, and I can vouch for Amanda and Cedar.

Blogger bob k. mando June 03, 2015 8:04 PM  

Vox
The SJWs don't do that. They are ruled by their feelings, and the mere semblance of ideological distaste for them is sufficient to render a writer's work without merit and unworthy of any award.


this was the critical error, both with Capt Capitalism's boycott call on Fury Road and with your repeating of that call.

it's one thing to call for a boycott of something someone has seen. to be boycotting purely because of hearsay about someone the producer was having the actors talk to ...

that's pure SJW ideological disqualification.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 03, 2015 9:49 PM  

Don't think there's anything wrong with using SJW tactics against them.

Blogger maniacprovost June 03, 2015 11:06 PM  

it's one thing to call for a boycott of something someone has seen. to be boycotting purely because of hearsay about someone the producer was having the actors talk to ...

that's pure SJW ideological disqualification.


Nah, SJWs don't boycott. They would also work to get the producers fired and blacklisted from ever working again.

Blogger Philip Sandifer June 04, 2015 1:43 AM  

Nah, SJWs don't boycott. They would also work to get the producers fired and blacklisted from ever working again.

You have far too much regard for us. Realistically, we'd just have a bit of a whinge on Tumblr.

Blogger automatthew June 04, 2015 2:17 AM  

Philip, you've already shown that you are not [what we mean by] an SJW. You are here, operating as an honest interlocutor. That category of humans which we indicate by using the term "SJW" does not come here and operate honestly.

Definitions easily become an infinite regress, as Popper pointed out. Let's not go there. Instead, you as the guest here could accept that we use the term "SJW" as a label for a category of human behavior NOT INCLUDING YOU.

You're willing to engage in a debate with Vox. Thus you are not an SJW.

Blogger automatthew June 04, 2015 2:19 AM  

BOB K MANDO: it's one thing to call for a boycott of something someone has seen. to be boycotting purely because of hearsay about someone the producer was having the actors talk to ...

that's pure SJW ideological disqualification.


I heard that Bryan Singer fucks underaged boys.

Anonymous Heaviside June 04, 2015 7:24 AM  

>Nah, SJWs don't boycott.

"SJWs" might not often engage in commercial boycotts often, but they do use "guilt by association" to boycott people.

Blogger Philip Sandifer June 04, 2015 4:47 PM  

Philip, you've already shown that you are not [what we mean by] an SJW. You are here, operating as an honest interlocutor. That category of humans which we indicate by using the term "SJW" does not come here and operate honestly.

Definitions easily become an infinite regress, as Popper pointed out. Let's not go there. Instead, you as the guest here could accept that we use the term "SJW" as a label for a category of human behavior NOT INCLUDING YOU.

You're willing to engage in a debate with Vox. Thus you are not an SJW.


Well, that's terribly kind of you to say, except that I'm no more an atypical SJW than Vox is an atypical frothing right-wing loony. I happen to have the skills and background to understand many of the common objections to SJW arguments raised here and to either reframe arguments around them or reduce those objections to fundamental epistemological disagreements, and I happen to be occasionally amused or interested by doing so. My views are probably more rigorously worked through than a lot of SJWs (and, indeed, than a lot of people period), but they're not especially atypical.

And the fact is, SJWs really don't do much in the way of "work to get the producers fired and blacklisted." That's honestly just not what we're good at. We're fundamentally rubbish at unified and directed action. It's one of the most basic differences between us and you: we don't put much value on ideological purity, and thus tend to descend into a circular firing squad. It's why we had and (I'll go ahead and make a 2016 prediction) have no effective defense against the slate voting tactic in the Hugos: we're never going to agree on a singular slate. We're 75% of the Hugo nominators, and we cannot overcome your 25% because you're better at direct action than we are.

The overwhelming majority of us don't do anything more than whine on the Internet, and we're never going to. The interesting question, to my mind, is why that remains such a dangerous threat to you.

And to be clear, I think it really is a threat to you. I think you're right about how dangerous we are even as you completely misunderstand (or at least misrepresent) how we work.

Blogger automatthew June 05, 2015 12:48 AM  

"It's one of the most basic differences between us and you: we don't put much value on ideological purity, and thus tend to descend into a circular firing squad."

This is where you have a fundamental misunderstanding.

Remember: No enemies to the left.

That is how you achieve left singularity.

On the right, what we do is: Get away, get away, get away!

Blogger automatthew June 05, 2015 1:51 AM  

It's like this:

Tiny Tim, Porky, W. Lindsay Wheeler, and I walk into a bar. Nate's tending. He won't serve me Scotch, so I fill him full of the feathery little wound channels typical of the 9mm round served by my Glock 42 with custom pleather grip. Meanwhile, Wheeler has produced a spear and hoplon from fucking nowhere, both bedizened with rosary beads, Tiny Tim has dropped his pants and thrown up an impromptu Potemkin outhouse, and Porky is frantically searching for his bookie.

I ward off Wheeler, for a moment, with the compact little green Loeb edition of Thrasymachus which I keep in my breast pocket for such occasions. The muzzle of a .22 Rogue Chipmunk emerges from a moon shaped hole, so I point at Porky and yell, "Look, a badly behaving Mexican in Texas!" Tiny Tim's boy scout rifle keeps Porky at bay long enough for me to try to parry Nate's incoming baseball cap -- razor-edged, of course -- with my first edition of Italo Calvino's Cosmicomiche in the original Klingon. You don't want to know where I keep that.

Time seems to come to a halt.

Sitrep:

* 9 millimeter rounds have completely failed to keep the ginger down. Note to self: carry a hatchet next time. He's alive, at least one arm is operational, and he probably has more hats.

* Overestimated Tiny Tim's ordinance. He's a goner.

* Porky: his fat layer can easily stand up to dozens of rounds of .22LR. After he dispatches Tiny Tim, where will he attack next?

* Wheeler. Themistocles! where's Wheeler?

Time speeds back up and I wheel around, only to find Wheeler, Nate, and Porky impaled on Wheeler's own long spear. The spear is held by Jamsco, who's suddenly very close, and he whispers in my ear, "Rosebud. No, wait. TULIP!".

But it's too late. The Indians have already stolen my copy of Calvino.







Blogger Deirdre Saoirse Moen June 09, 2015 3:35 AM  

Thank you for your kind words. I thought long and hard about fan writer vs. related work myself, and here are the reasons I felt it was more fan writer:

1. It was part of a much longer conversation that began in fanzines in 1963 about Marion Zimmer Bradley's (and Walter Breen's) appearance at Pacificon, the 1964 Worldcon. After my first couple of posts, the See: http://breendoggle.wikia.com/wiki/Pacificon_II
2. While it was about a pro writer in the field (MZB) it was also about Walter Breen, who never published in SFF but was a fan.
3. Moira's both a pro in the field (musician) and a fan, and Mark is a fan who's also an artist.

About Laura J. Mixon's piece on Benjanun Sriduangkaew:

1. It's an author digging into the past of a book reviewer whose book reviews were caustic. I consider that inherently a "pro" activity rather than a "fan" activity.
2. Said book reviewer then started selling stories and became a neo-pro nominated for a Campbell. Then Mixon decided to post. Which just makes it look petty.

Personally, I'm planning to nominate Asymbina this year for her pieces dissecting the Mixon report.

Part 1: http://asymbina.tumblr.com/post/113313691533/the-tale-of-benjanun-sriduangkaew-part-i-a-brief
Part 2: http://asymbina.tumblr.com/post/119529202143/the-tale-of-benjanun-sriduangkaew-part-ii-lies

And other posts tagged as related: http://asymbina.tumblr.com/tagged/benjanun-sriduangkaew

Regardless, I don't think it's fan writing. It's pro-vs-pro writing, and it's in the wrong category. Hence, I don't think it should be awarded in the fan writer category.

Blogger Deirdre Saoirse Moen June 09, 2015 10:18 AM  

Accidentally lost an edit in there, yay.

"After my first couple of posts, the" lost the following words: "long-time SMOFs put up the Breendoggle wiki."

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