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Sunday, June 28, 2015

I don't care what you do

Hugo nominee Kary English doesn't want to give me satisfaction. But she does want a pony:
I also wish people like Brad, Larry and other SP notables would come out and say “Hey, this* isn’t what we intended or what we hoped would happen. We’re sorry the whole thing has become such a mess.” (*where “this” means locking up the ballot and shutting out other works.
Or, you know, maybe they're not sorry. I'm certainly not. I doubt anyone in the Evil Legion of Evil is. One benefit of being ELoE is never having to say you're sorry.
I don’t consider myself a spokesperson for the SP, or even an SP notable, but I’ll say it. I never got involved in this with any idea that I’d even make the ballot, much less that VD would run his own campaign or that there would be a ballot sweep. If I’d known that, I wouldn’t have participated. To the extent that I’ve been part of that, even unknowingly, I apologize.
Translation: "Please don't try to kill my career, it's not MY fault!" Of course, the truth is that all four Puppy campaigns were a convoluted plot concocted by Kary English to get herself a Hugo while leaving Brad, Larry, and I to take the blame for everything. We were naught but puppets in her insidious scheme. I have also heard that she is responsible for Benghazi and the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, as well as the upcoming Greek referendum.
It seems I can’t say anything remotely in that vein without someone saying that if I truly thought that, I would withdraw. I’ve already given my reasons for not withdrawing, but I’ll mention again that a large part of it is not giving Vox Day the satisfaction.
I think it's interesting that she thinks I have given her any thought whatsoever. Kary, my dear, I don't give a quantum of a damn what you do. Withdraw, don't withdraw, retire to a nunnery, it makes absolutely no difference to me.
All that stuff about nominating liberals just to watch them self-flagellate and see how fast they withdraw? I’m not his marionette, and I won’t dance to his tune. He set us up to be targets, just like he set up Irene Gallo. I’m not giving in to Vox Day.
And yet, here she is frantically dancing without me even bothering to so much as whistle. As for Irene Gallo, I'm afraid Ms English grants me infernal powers that are, as yet, sadly not at my disposal. Ms Gallo set herself up for dismissal without my help; no one asked her to attack Tor's customers, Tor's authors, or Tor's products. No one asked her to violate the Macmillan Code of Conduct.

As several of the VFM have pointed out, the SJWs have it all backwards. They have to think that I am somehow duping thousands of idiots and fools into openly opposing them because the alternative is to accept how massively unpopular they are and how dismally their decades-long campaign to tell people what science fiction they may and may not read has failed.

What should frighten them is not the idea that Brad and Larry are the moderates in this regard. What should frighten them is the fact that I AM THE REASONABLE ONE here. Because the Evil Legion of Evil, the Dread Ilk, the Ilk, the Rabid Puppies, and above all, the Vile Faceless Minions, are not here to negotiate.

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126 Comments:

Blogger wrf3 June 28, 2015 8:08 AM  

I would have thought that "brothel in Las Vegas" would have been funnier than "nunnery" but, after all, everyone's a critic.

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I June 28, 2015 8:15 AM  

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. ("Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are His own.")
-<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Amalric>Arnaud Amalric</a>

Anonymous daddynichol June 28, 2015 8:19 AM  

To the extent that I’ve been part of that, even unknowingly, I apologize.

Groveling in such a manner, apologizing for something you didn't know about, is ridiculous.

Blogger Salt June 28, 2015 8:19 AM  

These people are always loads of fun. The entertainment value of $40 bucks is Hugo-nomous.

Blogger JACIII June 28, 2015 8:21 AM  

Dear SJWs,
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Anonymous Alexander June 28, 2015 8:21 AM  

Just another variant of "don't hit me, I'm the girl."

Blogger Seneca June 28, 2015 8:22 AM  

It's sooo much fun. I love these posts.

Anonymous old man in a villa June 28, 2015 8:30 AM  

Who is this person and why should I care?

Anonymous Athor Pel June 28, 2015 8:35 AM  

"the Vile Faceless Minions, are not here to negotiate."

This is the nugget that just keeps on giving the comedy. When one of Them realizes that neither Vox or those under his banner are interested in doing the modern conservative negotiation dance you can practically hear their sphincter get tight, or you know, do the other thing that sphincters do.

Anonymous FisherOfMen June 28, 2015 8:40 AM  

With great courage, I will not withdraw from the Hugo.

Showing extraordinary inner strength, I shall leave myself open to the very real risk that I might win a prestigous award.

Blogger The Deuce June 28, 2015 8:46 AM  

I've been leaning towards voting for Totaled, because it's quality work. I can see why the Puppies nominated it. But apparently she's got to be a nasty, ungracious little snot about this to test my ability to be objective.

Anonymous UsualJay June 28, 2015 8:46 AM  

How amusing. Another weakling begging for mercy from the SJWs. Haven't they figured out by now that price of SJW forgiveness is far higher than their autistic badfeels wrath?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 28, 2015 8:48 AM  

I'll only negotiate that they will hand over their skulls so I can drink my Bloody Marys out of.

Cultural Marxism Delenda Est.

Blogger Mom June 28, 2015 8:49 AM  

Vox said RP want to nominate ordinary good SF not SJW drivel. So she is saying Wait, I didn't really write good SF. I really, really intended to write drivel?

Blogger RL (#0052) June 28, 2015 8:56 AM  

To any SJW who reads this-Vox really is the reasonable one. Listen to him.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet June 28, 2015 9:04 AM  

I’m not giving in to Vox Day.

For the last time, she's not sleeping with you. Why do you continue to assail her virtue? Will it ever end?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 28, 2015 9:05 AM  

Since she is not servicing my base needs I would sell her to ISIS for an AK and a crate of ammo.

Blogger FALPhil June 28, 2015 9:14 AM  

Kary English needs to man up. Oh, wait...

Blogger JDC June 28, 2015 9:16 AM  

Groveling in such a manner, apologizing for something you didn't know about, is ridiculous.

And will only open the door for more SJW vitriol. In the SJW eyes she is already guilty by association, and now, has openly admitted her culpability. One last thought...we don't care.

Blogger Krul June 28, 2015 9:23 AM  

"I'm afraid Ms English grants me infernal powers that are, as yet, sadly not at my disposal."

VD does not yet possess those particular infernal powers.

Markku, on the other hand...

Blogger JDC June 28, 2015 9:23 AM  

SJW's always lie, they often eat their young and never accept an apology. She should know better!

Blogger Krul June 28, 2015 9:26 AM  

"the Dread Ilk, the Ilk"

BTW... what's the difference? Who's Ilk and who's Dread Ilk?

Blogger FALPhil June 28, 2015 9:29 AM  

BTW... what's the difference? Who's Ilk and who's Dread Ilk?
Not sure, but I have been added to a Dread Ilk list on Twitter, so I am claiming membership.

Blogger bearspaw June 28, 2015 9:35 AM  

@ Northernhamlet
Just googled a pic ( for curiosity's sake, of course ) and the possibility you describe is not a punishment. Actually, it is the best of all outcomes.

Blogger CM June 28, 2015 9:47 AM  

I don't get these people... groveling to people who probably never would have nominated her.

How bout you were nominated because your work was actually GOOD? Not because they're screwing with your head and manipulating your mental gymnastics.

Blogger Doom June 28, 2015 9:52 AM  

Hmm? What? Okay, true, I am not one of the VFM. So maybe I differ.

I am absolutely here to negotiate. Unconditional surrender, at least two, and a growing list now, heads to roll, and an unlocking of leftist nominations, even if that means cutting them out of everything. I don't always get your (Vox) efforts. I know you don't care. But, I mean, you REALLY don't care. Some of us don't care, but that's pretty one-directional. You seem as flexible with allies and enemies as Hannibal is with morals and ethics. Is it just rudeness that turns your switch? Dunno, but it does seem to lack any real prejudice. Mostly.

Anyway. As I said, I am here to negotiate. On a platter, silver platter, and show some respect. I suppose you (Tor) don't have to paint clown faces on the heads, but it would go a long way to make the day a happy, or happier one. Love me some dead clowns. Just a hint in the pillow talk, babies.

Blogger Russell (106) June 28, 2015 10:19 AM  

Her auto-de-fé will buy her zero good will from the SJWs and puts her in the VFM "We don't care" list.

Guess who just earned a spot below "No award"?

Burn it all down!

Blogger Mad Dok Rob June 28, 2015 10:29 AM  

You really think you can get an AK AND a crate of ammo for her? I think you have overvalued her a bit.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 28, 2015 10:30 AM  

This minion was favorably disposed toward Kary English because she's a friend of Brag Torgersen, and I like Brad. But this is just stupid. Weak too. I don't much care for weakness and stupidity, not to mention ingratitude and trying to curry favor from nasty, weak, ugly enemies.

So screw her and her writing. I used to like Stross and Scalzi too. No longer read them.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 28, 2015 10:37 AM  

Does Ms English think the SJW are good people? I could care less what she thinks of me, being part Sigma I ignore females as much as possible, silly drama from silly people not worth my time unless she can do the unspeakable naughty things I prefer.

Now if she fears the SJW I would like to know what specific rhetoric that they use that gives her the piddle panties.

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Anonymous Mr. Rational June 28, 2015 10:41 AM  

apparently she's got to be a nasty, ungracious little snot about this to test my ability to be objective.

But imagine the fun if she won.  The anti-Puppies would never let her forget it, and the cognitive dissonance among the anti-Puppies saying the Puppies demand ideological conformity when an anti-Puppy got a Hugo even after that display...

Heads asplode.

This is a decision to be made on quality, not posturing.  Pick the best work.  Make the Hugo mean something again.

Anonymous Bob June 28, 2015 10:41 AM  

Seems the TOR bunch cannot grasp the reality that they must abandon one - or more - of their own, or they will all go down with the ship.

And not a lifeboat in sight.


Anonymous Wyrd June 28, 2015 10:43 AM  

Why Johnny doesn't care:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atM9ZQK7OSo

Blogger Bateful Higot June 28, 2015 10:44 AM  

Vox, you dishonorable cur! How dare you wage your RP campaign and succeed in such spectacular fashion! We all know of your evil ways, oh Dark One! Your wicked aura causes helpless-but-otherwise-strong-and-independent womyn to spew unprofessional invective against their constituents! Your mad schemes of nominating works that you like has caused this righteous, empowered maiden to be forced, FORCED to stay in the running for a prestigious award... lest she withdraw and allow you to win the day, somehow. And let's not even BEGIN to discuss the dark sorcery you used to get memberships for all of those vile faceless minions! Fear not, brave rabbits of SF/F, surely brave Sirs Scalzi and GRRM will bravely vanquish this beast!

Blogger JACIII June 28, 2015 10:51 AM  

22. Krul June 28, 2015 9:26 AM

"the Dread Ilk, the Ilk"

BTW... what's the difference? Who's Ilk and who's Dread Ilk?


The Dread Ilk know who they are and if you have to ask you aren't.

Blogger Sean June 28, 2015 10:57 AM  

What a load of crap. I was always taught that when someone complimented you, you smile and say thank you.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 28, 2015 11:07 AM  

Bateful, you raise an interesting notion.

People like Scalzi and other SJW types are often victims (willing, self-deluded victims) of the fantasy that history is progressive and because we were fortunate to live in a time of great material progress that humanity will never return to the darkness of widespread ignorance that preceded us. Allied to this fantasy is the notion that good somehow always triumphs over evil. Their attachment to the neo-nazi slur is a reflection of this fantasy as it involves their ignorance of history. They are true believers of the Axis=Evil / Allies=Good manichean idiocy.

So the idea that Vox might win threatens far more than a momentary setback. It threatens their entire fantasy worldview and the flimsy artificial personalities they've constructed on this shaky foundation.

Personally, I've long been a fan of the dictum propounded by Gary North:

"If you see something evil that wobbles - push!

Anonymous Scintan June 28, 2015 11:18 AM  

And, yet, she didn't prevent Galaxy Press from using her Hugo nomination as a selling point:

Kary English is one of the latest new writers published in the L. Ron Hubbard Presents Writers of the Future anthology. In addition to winning the Writers of the Future Contest, Kary has been nominated for a Hugo for her story, Totaled. What an impressive start to her writing career!

You could have told them not to mention it, Kary

Anonymous Anonymous June 28, 2015 11:18 AM  

What a cowardly cur this Kara is. She saw SP1 and 2. She knew how little social justice claptrap she had to cram into her story to avoid a puppy nomination.

And she didn't do it....how hard would a few completely irrelevant to the story paragraphs of 'the gay relationship back in college was my true authentic self' for a few of the leading characters have been?

Social Justice Warriors....she knew better and she refused to honor your pieties. Kara English consciously sided with the puppies. She is the enemy...hound her relentlessly....drive her out.

Daedalus Mugged

Anonymous Thobby (#58) June 28, 2015 11:24 AM  

Happily, I've already read and disliked Totalled, so I don't have to worry about not letting her response influence my vote. And that other and similar story of hers in her Campbell packet was a traditional ghost story, not SF&F at all.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) June 28, 2015 11:28 AM  

And Krul, the Dread Ilk are the regulars who've been posting on Vox's blog for many years now. The Ilk are regulars who've joined the group more recently.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) June 28, 2015 11:29 AM  

Of course, both names are puns, deriving from the phrase, "Vox and his dread ilk".

Blogger Salt June 28, 2015 11:35 AM  

Here's the thing, as I see it. "Totaled" is a good story. Now, I have a choice. Judge it by my standards or hers. By mine, it ranks in the top 3 of short stories; holding a position for a potential rightful win. But it's evident she wants no part of being judged on her work, preferring to apologize for even being considered because puppies cause bad-feelz. "Please don't try to kill my career, it's not MY fault!" -Voxlation

Now, I could claim the high ground and vote according to my standard, her puppy protestations and apologetic groveling be damned. But I ask myself, is that fair?

"I’ve already given my reasons for not withdrawing, but I’ll mention again that a large part of it is not giving Vox Day the satisfaction."

So which would be better? "Totaled" could rightfully win, but such shame she'd feelz at winning; the taint of the puppies forever nipping at her heels. On the one hand, that would be delicious. How wonderfully I can apply my standard and yet achieve a twisted end. Oh, the irony.

Then there's the Noah Ward. Allow her what she seeks; noble defeat, being even better than the noble withdrawal. She could hold her head high as she walks away, not having given Vox Day the satisfaction and to the applause of her SJW bretheren, redeemed because it "wasn't my fault".

Her good story winning would be the ultimate ironic justice.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 28, 2015 11:35 AM  

This is a decision to be made on quality, not posturing. Pick the best work. Make the Hugo mean something again.

No. The Hugo awards will only "mean something again" when SJWism is totally defeated and driven out of the process. Only then would I grace the ungrateful witch with my vote, and even then...only if her writing was clearly and measurably better than the alternative(s).

You objejct? I don't care.

Anonymous The other robot June 28, 2015 11:38 AM  

You really think you can get an AK AND a crate of ammo for her? I think you have overvalued her a bit.

Seems Obama wants to restrict your right to discuss firearms online.

Blogger Bateful Higot June 28, 2015 11:39 AM  

@Scuzzaman
"People like Scalzi and other SJW types are often victims (willing, self-deluded victims) of the fantasy that history is progressive and because we were fortunate to live in a time of great material progress that humanity will never return to the darkness of widespread ignorance that preceded us. Allied to this fantasy is the notion that good somehow always triumphs over evil."

But of course. And the fact that they may be vanquished is merely proof that they were insufficiently faithful to The Cause. If they merely continue offering their prayers to God-King of Equality and Fairness Barack Obama, sacrifice a few more cisgendered white males,(themselves excluded, of course) and shriek loudly enough they shall surely triumph over the big bad man and his hoards of fascist trolls.

@Scintan

L. Ron Hubbard is a man known by everyone in the broader culture(who hasn't been living under a rock) as the founder of a cult that brainwashes, swindles, and sexually abuses its membership. It is also well-documented that he himself participated in these practices. Vox Day is by all accounts a conservative Christian known to make harsh public statements against detractors, and some have alleged that these statements were bigoted in nature. It's very telling that Ms. English felt compelled to make a public show of distancing herself from the latter but not the former. What a brave new world we live in.

Blogger bob k. mando June 28, 2015 11:41 AM  

is it can there be entrails on the ceiling time now?

Anonymous BGS June 28, 2015 12:06 PM  

I’ve already given my reasons for not withdrawing, but I’ll mention again that a large part of it is not giving Vox Day the satisfaction.

You would think if anything it would disappoint us if SP members withdrew.

"To the extent that I’ve been part of that, even unknowingly, I apologize." "Groveling in such a manner, apologizing for something you didn't know about, is ridiculous."

She is lucky her man or woman doesn't realize he could beat her and never have to worry about the law.

Since she is not servicing my base needs I would sell her to ISIS for an AK and a crate of ammo.

Perhaps Nate will be willing to part with his new glock for her

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 28, 2015 12:12 PM  

Well, I'm voting for "Totaled". That story was Way Cool.

Anonymous # 34 June 28, 2015 12:17 PM  

I'll rank Totaled when I get my suggested voting guide for that category.

Blogger VD June 28, 2015 12:32 PM  

is it can there be entrails on the ceiling time now?

I am kind.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 28, 2015 12:38 PM  

Glanced at the article, caught this gem...

Reading SFF

“2015 Hugo Awards Reading: The Parliament of Beasts and Birds – John C. Wright (Short Story)” – June 26

Concerning the story: I was not impressed. It seems to be a religious (christian) parable of some kind and, adding to the annoyance over the vocab, I have the distinct impression that JCW is showing off how smart he is. I bet there are a bunch of references that I do not get because of how dumb and uneducated I am and didn’t do my bible studies diligently enough. (Or ever ;) ). So now everyone knows that JCW is able to actively use a lot of randgruppen** words, knows his christian mysticism and is so very educated.

As you can see, the story’s prose and style annoyed so much that I barely was able to follow the actual story. Can’t be much good then. I didn’t like it.


"is showing off how smart he is"

This. THIS is womething I see often from people who think they are smart, but aren't. Directed at people who actually are. I've lost count at how many times I've heard "stop trying to impress with big words".

I don't. The other really smart people I know don't. We use the best fitting words for the job so we don't have to use five others to get across the concept, context, and implications. We don't TRY to use big words, we know them. In contrast, we actually have to WORK to figure out the sets of smaller words to use to get the same full meaning across.

And they think we're just trying to show off, unlike them.

Anonymous tiredofitall June 28, 2015 12:55 PM  

"I don’t care whether an author’s politics are right, left, center or upside down. If their work is good and suits my taste, I’ll buy it and read it. Shunning an author or a group of fans because their political views are different from my own? I disavow it." - Kary English

http://karyenglish.com/2015/04/the-disavowal/

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 28, 2015 12:56 PM  

I don't care.

Blogger bob k. mando June 28, 2015 1:25 PM  

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/bobkmando/canbeentrails_zpshpmnluwp.jpg

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 28, 2015 1:27 PM  

He's an attention whore who cannot create a platform of his own so he shoves himself on stage and performs 'The Aristocrats' until the ushers show him the door again.

Blogger VD June 28, 2015 1:37 PM  

Apparently some of you are insufficiently intelligent to grasp the significance of your comments being deleted, so from now on commenters who respond to Obvious will have their comments spammed along with his. If you start getting spam-trapped as a result, tough. You deserved it.

He's an attention whore

Yes, we know, so why are you paying attention to him?

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 28, 2015 1:39 PM  

VD - Sorry won't happen again.

Anonymous Rolf June 28, 2015 1:39 PM  

Sure. We'd be happy to negotiate.

Next question?

Blogger Danby June 28, 2015 1:47 PM  

Oh, lookit the cute little kitty! Here kitty, you just need a snuggle don't y.....AAAAAAGGHGHGHG!!! MY ENTRAILS!!!!! I NEED THEM!!! NO KITTY!! BAD KITTY! AAAAaaaaaa......

Blogger Achillea June 28, 2015 1:48 PM  

Ugh. I read "Totaled." Or at least I tried, but I have very little patience for pretentious present-tense claptrap, so I didn't make it all the way through. Haven't read anything else in that category and it's already sitting at #5.

Blogger Danby June 28, 2015 1:48 PM  

Bob K. Mando is now officially the cute ceiling entrails kitten of the Evil Legion of Evil.

Blogger Russell (106) June 28, 2015 1:50 PM  

"is showing off how smart he is"

We all know the right has no nuance, so if the SJW doesn't understand, it must be because Wright is showing off. No nuance there. Nope.

Blogger bob k. mando June 28, 2015 2:14 PM  

64. Danby June 28, 2015 1:48 PM
Bob K. Mando



you capitalized my name.

you are a bad, BAD kitty.

Blogger Rantor June 28, 2015 2:23 PM  

I truly enjoy reading JCW, he expands my mind, opens new horizons, and in this day of gadgetry, if he writes something I don't quite understand, I can find out in seconds just what he is alluding to and why. Of course the fact that I am not ignorant of the Bible helps too.

Does the ignorant whiner expect us to accept his bad review because JCW's work made him feelbad? Would we accept a bad review of Einstein's theories by someone who didn't understand them? No. What a self confessed idiot.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 28, 2015 2:23 PM  

Sounds like some serious hamster wheel spinning to me.

Blogger bob k. mando June 28, 2015 2:25 PM  

59. VD June 28, 2015 1:37 PM
so from now on commenters who respond to Obvious will have their comments spammed along with his. If you start getting spam-trapped as a result, tough. You deserved it.



you told me i could put his entrails on the ceiling.

fake friendship entrails, bro.

Blogger Migly June 28, 2015 2:32 PM  

@Vox: You have picked up my cut-and-paste error from the roundup (which I later corrected). The following paragraph is actually part of a post by Lela Buis, not Kary English:

"A few blogs back, I did suggest that Day was in marketing mode with this Rabid Puppies scheme. His name has been up there in the lights for weeks now. The interesting thing is, so has the Hugo Awards, WorldCon, Tor Books, Irene Gallo, Moshe Feder and Patrick and Teresa Nielsen Hayden. I’d be willing to bet Tor comes out with a little spike in sales."

Anonymous ticticboom June 28, 2015 2:33 PM  

The Hugos are like your grandparents old house in a neighborhood that's become 'vibrant.' Sure, you could kick out the crackheads, replace all the wiring, plumbing, and fixtures that've been torn out. Renovate and reseed the lawn. Hope it encourages others to gentrify the neighborhood, so you don't wind up spending loads more than the finished project is worth.

Or you can have the satisfaction of burning it down with the crackheads inside. That'd be my inclination.

I'm going along with Vox, Larry, and Brad.

For now.

Anonymous ticticboom June 28, 2015 2:42 PM  

Also, it should be noted that it is not our side that is threatening anyone we consider insufficiently radical. Moderation is a capital offense for the other side. We only go after moderates when they start shooting at us. Which, sadly, seems to be a habit with them. The fools think it will save them from the SJWs. Ha! It won't even get them saved for last.

Anonymous ticticboom June 28, 2015 2:48 PM  

I bet there are a bunch of references that I do not get because of how dumb and uneducated I am and didn’t do my bible studies diligently enough. (Or ever �� ).

I'm sure going over the unintelligent and uneducated's heads will keep JCW up at night. Perhaps some self-inflicted brain trauma would help.

Blogger VD June 28, 2015 2:55 PM  

Thanks, Mike. Corrected.

Blogger bob k. mando June 28, 2015 3:04 PM  

VD
Because the Evil Legion of Evil, the Dread Ilk, the Ilk, the Rabid Puppies, and above all, the Vile Faceless Minions, are not here to negotiate.


in real life, my friends say that i practice "deploymancy".

that is to say, i negotiate by setting off nukes.

and there always seems to be peace when i'm done.

Blogger Russell (106) June 28, 2015 3:08 PM  

@ticticboom We only go after moderates when they start shooting at us.

Yup. Hold fire if you moderates don't want to shoot at the enemy. If you start shooting at the VFM, well, the consequences shouldn't be a surprise.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 28, 2015 3:15 PM  

VD,
come on, just ADMIT IT ALREADY. You used dark Jedi powers to MAKE Irene type out that post about us all being neo-nazis. She resisted at every keystroke, but your evil evilness was just too strong.
As the fearless leader of the VFM you really need to be honest with them and tell them the truth!
Also... can you get PNH and the Toad of Tor to commit ritual seppuku next? Just saying.

Anonymous DT June 28, 2015 3:40 PM  

SJW: "blah blah blah tears, blah blah, tears, blah blah badfeel tears."

Anyone with a Pair: "I don't care."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 28, 2015 3:42 PM  

SJW art sounds about as right as Islamic art or Equalitist art. The SJW are so bad and stupid that within a decade their puritanical tendencies will leave art to the Right.

They have the brains of women, and even the women who now can produce art will fall under their sway and end up producing something the equal of "Housewives of fill-in-the-blank"

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 28, 2015 3:53 PM  

"All that stuff about nominating liberals just to watch them self-flagellate and see how fast they withdraw? I’m not his marionette, and I won’t dance to his tune. He set us up to be targets, just like he set up Irene Gallo. I’m not giving in to Vox Day."

Who exactly is targeting you, Kary? Until today I don't remember seeing your name mentioned by anyone on this side of the junkyard fence. We don't threaten to send you to the corn field for holding badthinkz. Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. Golden rule, Kary. You were nominated based on merit and now you spit in our faceless faces and grovel to the CHORFs.

I've been waging personal boycotts for the last 15 years over gratuitous insults just like hers. If you haven't read her story yet why bother now? I won't. If the Tor boycott is on next year would you vote for anything Tor that made the ballot? With a few millenias' worth of books to choose from, avoiding her scribblings is not a loss.

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson June 28, 2015 4:01 PM  

@Baleful Higot

To be perfectly fair, the Writers of the Future Award does actually seem to award good work. I've read a few of their anthologies, and the stories are always excellent. I would trust a collection of Writers of the Future over a collection of recent Hugo winners. I used to send to that contest myself. Never won, and now I'm ineligible.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster June 28, 2015 4:27 PM  

"SJW art sounds about as right as Islamic art or Equalitist art."

SJW fiction is the new Soviet Socialist Realism; you know, all those dire Soviet novels no-one ever read because they're all about how wonderful Communism is, and just repeat the same plot over and over again of the Glorious People's Tractor Factory workers sacrificing everything to exceed their quota for the latest Five Year Plan, since that's much more important than family, friends, or any other selfish individual desires.

And I don't mean that as a joke. It's exactly the same kind of 'message fiction' being pushed for exactly the same kind of reasons. Just a slightly different message. The only thing they lack is the power to prevent publication of any books which step outside the pink prison of Social Justice Realism, the way the Soviets did.

It's sad, too. I read a free SF ebook from Amazon a few days ago, and it was pretty good other than the entirely spurious gay relationship between the two military pilots who were the main characters. That immediately added another author to my 'do not buy' list, not so much because they were gay as because there was absolutely no story reason for them to be that way and the author apparently just threw it in to be SJW-compliant.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 28, 2015 4:46 PM  

Apparently some of you are insufficiently intelligent to grasp the significance of your comments being deleted....

That would be me. I don't care...or rather, I *didn't* care.

Now I do.

Anonymous Steve June 28, 2015 4:54 PM  

I would trust a collection of Writers of the Future over a collection of recent Hugo winners.

Me too.

I would trust the Church of Scientology itself long before I'd trust the science fiction SJW crowd.

Scientologists may be odd, but they haven't tried to tell me that Redshirts was the best novel of 2013. Or that I'm a "neo-Nazi". Or that I should stop reading books written by white men.

And whatever you think of the late Mr Hubbard - and I don't think much of him, other than a grudging sense of admiration at his sheer chutzpah - he was a bona fide science fiction writer who loved the genre. I'll take Battlefield Earth over genderqueer racial climate change feminist dinosaur parables any day of the week.

Anonymous Steve June 28, 2015 4:57 PM  

We only go after moderates when they start shooting at us

For the moderates.

Anonymous Steve June 28, 2015 5:55 PM  

Achillea - I have very little patience for pretentious present-tense claptrap

Is it the present tense that makes it pretentious? Or is it pretentious anyway and you just don't like present tense?

Asking for a friend who's writing a story and not sure which tense to use. Let's call him, eh... "Jeeve".

No, wait. That sounds like a gay butler. Let's call him "Irondick McCoolguy".

So "Irondick McCoolguy" really likes the immediacy of present tense, and how it flows when you're also writing in the first person, but also doesn't want the story to read like it's a 16 year old girl's MySpace blog, or something.

So he was concerned about that. But the pretentious thing is giving himself another angle to ponder.

Is it still pretentious if the story includes a scene where a guy punches a leprechaun in the balls? Because he totally does. Bam! Right in the lucky charms.

Blogger automatthew June 28, 2015 5:59 PM  

Present tense is fine. Second person, now, that's a good indicator of claptrap.

Anonymous Steve June 28, 2015 6:03 PM  

automatthew - are there stories, outside the Choose Your Own Adventure series, written in the second person?

I'm starting to think Irondick McCoolguy has led a sheltered literary life.

Blogger Yellow Bracers June 28, 2015 6:05 PM  

She's right about Irene though. You purposefully put off bringing up what she had said (while having seen it almost immediately) to maximize the impact of making it into an issue.

Blogger VD June 28, 2015 6:15 PM  

She's right about Irene though. You purposefully put off bringing up what she had said (while having seen it almost immediately) to maximize the impact of making it into an issue.

That's irrelevant. The problem with what she said has nothing to do with how I handled it. You're trying to get people chasing a red herring. Gallo is responsible for herself. Nothing I do, or don't do, can justify her actions.

It's also false, but I have no intention of explaining why. Until the moment suits me, of course.

Blogger James Dixon June 28, 2015 6:15 PM  

> You purposefully put off bringing up what she had said (while having seen it almost immediately) to maximize the impact of making it into an issue.

Ah, another mind reader from the SJW community. He knows exactly when Vox saw the Facebook post. How do they do it.

Even if true, Vox has no responsibility to the SJW's to do things on their schedule. Maximizing impact is what leaders do.

Anonymous Bz June 28, 2015 6:24 PM  

As far as I know, Gallo let that comment hang around for a month, so it wasn't like she didn't mean it.

Blogger Bateful Higot June 28, 2015 7:34 PM  

@D. G. D. Davidson

How utterly disgusting... but in the spirit of Pink SF tolerance, I'll overlook anything that has to do with child abuse. Just be thankful that their names weren't associated with people that hurt women's feelings. That would be unforgivable, in comparison.

Blogger Doc Rampage June 28, 2015 7:55 PM  

"Is it still pretentious if the story includes a scene where a guy punches a leprechaun in the balls? Because he totally does. Bam! Right in the lucky charms."

Depends on if the leprechaun is wearing a bowler or a top hat. But I don't care either way; I want to read that story.

I think of first person present tense as a way to personalize the narrator a bit. It lets you know that he is uneducated or doesn't know how to tell a story or something similar. It can be effective for short pieces but I don't know if I could handle it for a whole novel.

I think the reference to second person was a reference to "If you were a dinosaur my love". I hear it's also a popular style in children's books and S&M porn.

Blogger Thucydides June 28, 2015 8:04 PM  

Poor deluded woman.

She doesn't realize the SJW's will never accept her "apology", and her grovelling to the SJW's means the Puppies (of all sorts), VFM's Dread Ilk, Ilk, Minions and even the unaligned like myself will never be able to take her seriously as an author ever again.

What a way to get the worst of both worlds. Throwing herself on a sword in the Roman manner would have been more merciful and at least quicker than the method she chose for self immolation.

Blogger bob k. mando June 28, 2015 8:10 PM  

89. Yellow Bracers June 28, 2015 6:05 PM
You purposefully put off bringing up what she had said (while having seen it almost immediately) to maximize the impact of making it into an issue.



because Vox has nothing better to do with his life than stalk the entire staff of Tor books through all their public statements.

Blogger Student in Blue June 28, 2015 8:21 PM  

I thought Totaled was alright, if not an unintended slight against careerism for women.

I mean, the lady in the story literally gave everything for her career, and it still did not bring her any happiness.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 28, 2015 8:39 PM  

We use the best fitting words for the job so we don't have to use five others to get across the concept, context, and implications. We don't TRY to use big words, we know them.

Well said. If you're comfortable with a lot of words, you're constantly choosing between different ones, mostly without thinking about it. When I choose a word I'm influenced by a bunch of things: the exact meaning I have in mind, my mood, my style, the subject matter, the audience, the other words in the sentence, the rhythm of the sentence with that word in it, and other factors like assonance and alliteration (See?). But very little of it is conscious; most of the time one word just seems right, and sometimes the right one is a big one.

If it makes SJWs feel inferior, I guess that's a bonus.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 28, 2015 8:42 PM  

You purposefully put off bringing up what she had said (while having seen it almost immediately) to maximize the impact of making it into an issue.

Now there's a statute of limitations? Cool. I think I'll call it Gallo's Law - "If you don't call me on it immediately it doesn't count." Thanks for that. (Alinsky #4) Citations for contemporary criticism is henceforth required when dredging up old quotes.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 28, 2015 8:51 PM  

89. Yellow Bracers-You purposefully put off bringing up what she had said (while having seen it almost immediately) to maximize the impact of making it into an issue.

Let he help explain how people find out bad things said about them. One of the girls at work told me I was seen coming out of the hair salon owned by the mom of a co workers baby daddy. So the next time I was there I mentioned the interconnection, & a scheme she had talked about against her baby daddy & the baby daddy's brother. Even if they stalked the single mom they most likely wouldn't have known about the scheme before hand. Someone probably forwarded the info to Vox, along the same lines as people will warn others their ex is talking bad about them.

Blogger bob k. mando June 28, 2015 9:50 PM  

98. Cail Corishev June 28, 2015 8:39 PM
If you're comfortable with a lot of words, you're constantly choosing between different ones, mostly without thinking about it.



heck, i know a lot of words.

i know a lot of words BECAUSE I LIKE KNOWING WORDS.

what's part of the reason why i like reading JCW? BECAUSE he uses words I DON'T KNOW.

i'm curious about them, you see. it amuses me how often a dictionary and Bulfinch's Mythology and Wikipedia / Google come in handy whilst reading some Wright. that's a large portion of the fun of reading him.

it doesn't surprise in the least that Rabbits should be disturbed by Wright's knowledge of these things. for, you see, they are only permitted to 'know' concepts previously approved by the Warren ...

Blogger automatthew June 28, 2015 10:43 PM  

BOB K MANDO: "what's part of the reason why i like reading JCW? BECAUSE he uses words I DON'T KNOW."

Quoted for truth.

BOB, have you read Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun? He mined the OED for strange words instead of inventing his own. Then, cheekily, he has the narrator say this about a dullard: "He mispronounced quite common words: urticate, salpinx, bordereau."

Blogger bob k. mando June 28, 2015 10:49 PM  

102. automatthew June 28, 2015 10:43 PM
BOB K MANDO:



see, this kind of thing just makes me think you're trolling me.

and if you expect me to put up with this crap, the least you can do is let me festoon the ceiling with Obvious's entrails.


102. automatthew June 28, 2015 10:43 PM
BOB, have you read Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun?



sorry, don't remember reading any Wolfe.

did just finish Cryptonomicon though, and Nate was right. that's an amusing read.

wonder if these twits complain about all the esoteric words and concepts that Stephenson throws around? because, if they don't? they're just lying about how much Wright offends them.

Blogger automatthew June 28, 2015 11:10 PM  

I troll because I love. And anyway, you deserve it with your too-proud-to-capitalize schtick.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 28, 2015 11:36 PM  

@bob
what's part of the reason why i like reading JCW? BECAUSE he uses words I DON'T KNOW.

Seconded.

@automatthew

Heard the same, and I believe it.

My favorite part was the scene that STNG likely mined, where Severian is translating the speech of an enemy who only speaks in metaphors (and old communist claptrap at that)


Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) June 28, 2015 11:42 PM  

Several years ago VD once commented
A dread ilk has to bring something to the table every once in a while for the rest of the ilk to chew on
DannyR VFM#0177

Blogger automatthew June 29, 2015 12:00 AM  

MidKnight: "My favorite part was the scene that STNG likely mined, where Severian is translating the speech of an enemy who only speaks in metaphors (and old communist claptrap at that)"

It was a beautiful thing. Pinnacle Wolfe. A slave, in mind as well as body, telling a story, a real, meaningful story, using only collectivist cant.

Loyal to the Group of Seventeen says, "One is strong, another beautiful, a third a cunning artificer. Which is best? He who serves the populace."

Foila translates: "On this farm lived a good man."


Blogger IM2L844 June 29, 2015 12:03 AM  

assonance

I had to look that one up. I would have guessed it meant something completely different...and much funnier.

Blogger bob k. mando June 29, 2015 12:25 AM  

104. automatthew June 28, 2015 11:10 PM
And anyway, you deserve it with your too-proud-to-capitalize schtick.



i'm not too proud to capitalize. i capitalize all the time. hell, i capitalized in that quote you took from me in support of JCW ( more capping, when will bob stop? ).


i have, in fact, been doing this since long before i came to VP.


106. TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) June 28, 2015 11:42 PM
A dread ilk has to bring something to the table every once in a while for the rest of the ilk to chew on



hrm.

Blogger automatthew June 29, 2015 12:26 AM  

"i capitalize all the time."

Some of my best friends are black.

Blogger bob k. mando June 29, 2015 12:57 AM  

a - this is not formal writing
b - i don't care

Blogger automatthew June 29, 2015 1:07 AM  

Just suck it up and admit that you're Ilk, bob.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 29, 2015 1:56 AM  

Passing over the capital crimes, we come to this-

108. IM2L844 assonance

I had to look that one up. I would have guessed it meant something completely different...and much funnier.


I appreciate your diligent scholarship, but wouldn't it be more fun to just go ahead and use it without bothering to look it up?

The assonance of the SJW's PC chatter forms an assonant cavity embiggened by its assonant insertion of assonant assonantry.

Anonymous Steve June 29, 2015 6:12 AM  

Doc Rampage - Depends on if the leprechaun is wearing a bowler or a top hat.

I'm no leprechaunologist, but I believe the bowler-hatted leprechauns come from Northern Ireland, whereas the top-hat-with-a-buckle brigade come from the Republic.

Leprechauns aren't interested in Ireland's political scene and their only religion is gold, but they are very territorial and competitive, so they don't like each other much.

Definitely got to be Southern Irish leprechauns, because they're more colourfully expressive with their Hibernian patois.

Blogger bob k. mando June 29, 2015 8:39 AM  

112. automatthew June 29, 2015 1:07 AM
Just suck it up and admit that you're Ilk, bob.



a - nobody has ever patched me in
b - you are REALLY going to piss off LL, if you take away from her the only social dominance game that she can even attempt to play on me
c - i've been talking about Militant Atheism since the late 90s. i didn't join you all, you joined me.

Blogger bob k. mando June 29, 2015 8:40 AM  

"Militant Apathism"

militant atheism doesn't deserve capitalization.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 29, 2015 12:44 PM  

"I thought Totaled was alright, if not an unintended slight against careerism for women.

I mean, the lady in the story literally gave everything for her career, and it still did not bring her any happiness."

When I read a review of a book that doesn't give me any indication it is SF, maybe it isn't......

Blogger Feather Blade June 29, 2015 1:52 PM  

So now everyone knows that JCW is able to actively use a lot of randgruppen** words, knows his christian mysticism and is so very educated.

As you can see, the story’s prose and style annoyed so much that I barely was able to follow the actual story. Can’t be much good then. I didn’t like it.


Given this, and their apparent inability to recognize nicknames, The Goblin Emperor must really have left them stumped, what with all of the different titles (depending on familial relation and societal position) and the different level of formality-in-speech (three, by my count) with which the members of court can be addressed.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 29, 2015 2:57 PM  

No. The Hugo awards will only "mean something again" when SJWism is totally defeated and driven out of the process

I've not read the story (I should buy a Sasquan membership already), but I get the impression that there is no hint of SJWism in the story.  The author's views are irrelevant to the story.  The fact that the author is fearful of (already suffering?) fratricidal attacks from other SJWs is delicious irony.

Who knows, this could divide the SJW camp.  One side's authors would use the aforementioned tactic of putting SJ messaging in every story to avoid any hint of non-conformity, and any threat of Hugo nominations from WrongFen.  The other side's would quietly leave the messaging out and express shock-horror that WrongFen actually like their SF that way (and hoping for a sales boost from a nomination), while dodging attacks from the first camp.  We sit back and munch popcorn.

There's the possibility that the SP/RP campaign has been gamed, and this is precisely what English set out to do without realizing the consequences.  If so, it appears we got one good story out of it.

You objejct [sic]? I don't care.

Play it how you like, but recall that the SP objection to SJW message-fiction is that it was stilted and boring and made Hugo nominations more of a "do not read" list.  Giving an award to a good story by a bad author discredits the anti-Puppy line by exposing it as projection, strengthens the Puppy "brand" and has potential for (even more) high hilarity.

My POV may change if/when I read the Hugo packet.  I may not like this story at all, but I'm not going to decide that based on the author's politics... this time.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 29, 2015 3:37 PM  

She doesn't realize the SJW's will never accept her "apology"

Exactly.  And until they do, it's a perfect SP/RP tactic to generate fratricidal attacks among the enemy.

High hilarity indeed.

Blogger John Wright June 30, 2015 1:20 AM  

'Then, cheekily, he [Gene Wolfe] has the narrator say this about a dullard: "He mispronounced quite common words: urticate, salpinx, bordereau." '

Gene Wolfe has a second bit of cheeky joke atop the first. The man speaking (and the man of whom he speaks) are both members of the ancient guild of Torturers. Urticate means to lash a victim with nettles, a type of torture a professional torturer might indeed come across frequently. A salpinx is a trumpet, such as might well have been used for sounding the hours in and about the Tower of the Torturers. A bordereau is a ledger book, such as officers of the court, such as torturers, might well used on a daily basis for noting things like prisoner transfers and executions carried out.

In other words, Gene Wolfe is so cheeky (by which I mean he is a genius) that not only does he have his narrator comment wryly on the richness of the vocabulary by calling these words commonplace when they are most obscure, he selects obscure words which might well have been commonplace for the narrator speaking the line.

Blogger automatthew June 30, 2015 2:02 AM  

Wolfe also loves bad puns, as displayed in the closing paragraph of his story "Copperhead" (itself a pun):

"In his new realm, where Time sang like a brook, the new President picked himself up and stood stock-still to listen. The trees in a wood far away were barking; on the cliff that rose behind him, a mountain ram winded its horns."

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 30, 2015 9:13 AM  

Play it how you like, but recall that the SP objection to SJW message-fiction is that it was stilted and boring and made Hugo nominations more of a "do not read" list. Giving an award to a good story by a bad author discredits the anti-Puppy line by exposing it as projection, strengthens the Puppy "brand" and has potential for (even more) high hilarity.

Point taken. However, we must all remember that "message fiction" need not be stilted and boring; SJW message fiction is invariably stilted and boring because the message sucks. OTOH, Atlas Shrugged is pure "message fiction" (some call it sci fi), while it's also an exciting, rollicking, uplifting yarn (it sells and sells, even to today).

Bottom line is I choose my reading and authors I support as follows:

1. Great stories with good messages (cf. Atlas Shrugged, Starship Troopers).
2. Great stories without obvious messages (cf. Monster Hunter International, The Chaplain's War.
3. Marginally written stories with good messages (no one to be named).

I do not read or support the following:

A. SJW message fiction (stilted, boring, and supports the destruction of civilization).
B. Authors whom I discover are SJW's (why should I support someone who supports the destruction of civilization?)..

Simple, non?

Blogger So Meh June 30, 2015 1:22 PM  

SJW always lie. #76452.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html

Blogger So Meh June 30, 2015 1:23 PM  

SJW always lie. #76452.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html

Blogger Good Will July 04, 2015 4:21 PM  

"Because the Evil Legion of Evil, the Dread Ilk, the Ilk, the Rabid Puppies, and above all, the Vile Faceless Minions, are not here to negotiate."

How does one become one with the ELoE, DI, I, RP and VFM?

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