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Sunday, June 14, 2015

Locking and loading

Given the false defense presently being offered by Tor's senior executives, which is that they are not being contacted by large numbers of unhappy science fiction readers but are instead being spammed by a bot-net at my disposal, their response to a prospective boycott is entirely predictable. If Macmillan does not act on the basis of the considerable evidence it will have acquired by now and we find it necessary to proceed to the boycott that Peter Grant and others have contemplated, Tor's senior executives will undoubtedly claim that those threatening a boycott are not customers of Tor Books.

There is, of course, an easy way to anticipate and disprove their expected lies.

As you can see in the photo to the left, I currently have 38 hardcovers and 15 paperbacks published by Tor Books that retail for a cumulative $1,019.64. Some of them were sent to me by Tor, many of them were bought by me. This does not count any of the Tor ebooks that I have purchased, or any of the many Tor paperbacks I got rid of in a move some years ago, which I recall included at least six Wheel of Time books and a number of Orson Scott Card novels, among others. I figure that I would be wise to not lay claim to have had any books that I cannot prove I presently possess, but I estimate that I have probably spent an additional $500 more on Tor books than I can demonstrate today. As it happens, I have been a Tor Books customer since 1986, when I was still in high school and I bought a copy of Isaac Asimov's The Edge of Tomorrow from B. Dalton's. I still have it; you can see it third from the bottom on the right.

I can't pretend to be a Tor Books fanboy. In rooting through my collection, I learned that I appear to harbor a very strong predilection for Del Rey, as I have more than 1,000 Del Rey books. But I have probably bought more than 100 books from Tor Books over the years, which should suffice to demonstrate that something happened at some point in time to turn me against the organization. If you look closely at the titles, you will be able to discern that the newest copyright date on any of the books is 2005. I wonder what might have happened in 2005 to turn a loyal customer of 19 years standing against Tor Books and its editors?

If you happen to own any Tor books, I recommend that you gather them together and take a similar picture. Then add up their total retail value. Go through your Amazon account and list how many Tor ebooks you have purchased, calculate the total retail value, and then add the print and Kindle totals together. And do it now, so that you'll have everything prepared to preemptively counteract the likely lies of Tor's SJWs if events proceed in the way that some are anticipating.

UPDATE: Tor Books author Mary Robinette Kowal tempts fate on Twitter:
Mary Robinette Kowal
‏ @RizziWorld @ClaireRousseau @jimchines @torbooks Fair enough. I do want to be fair here and say that I have inside info. She won't be fired.
5:20 PM - 10 Jun 2015

Mary Robinette Kowal
‏ @RizziWorld How about this. If they fire Irene, I will return the advances on my next two books and pull them.
7:23 AM - 14 Jun 2015

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109 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous June 14, 2015 2:10 PM  

fnd:

A good remainder that Adria Richards lost her job because of DDoS attacks at her company. Sometimes, swift justice only happens when ones fight dirty.

Blogger Student in Blue June 14, 2015 2:16 PM  

If it comes down to a boycott, what's a good way of summing up the situation for friends and families who are not familiar with the dirty laundry?

Anonymous Sheila June 14, 2015 2:16 PM  

Lots of Ace and Delray, but only 5 Tor books that I can find. Obviously that won't be increasing to six.

Blogger James Dixon June 14, 2015 2:16 PM  

> Sometimes, swift justice only happens when ones fight dirty.

We don't care if the justice is particularly swift or not, as long as it happens.

Blogger James Dixon June 14, 2015 2:25 PM  

Oh, and like Vox, I find that the majority of my paperbacks are from Del Rey, with the majority of the remainder being Ace. I have a 6" bookshelf in my room that is completely filled with such paperbacks. Strangely enough, those seem to have stopped sometime in the late 80's. One wonders why, doesn't one.

And that doesn't count the 30x15' bookshed which is completely filled with 7 or so large bookcases and the walls covered in bookshelves with all of my wife's and our joint books. The Tor books we have would be there, including Andre Norton, Asmiov, and Card.

And that ignores our fairly large collection of ebooks. The majority of them are free or public domain books, but my wife does buy from Amazon on a regular basis.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera June 14, 2015 2:27 PM  

I asked myself why I'd go to all this trouble to convince a bunch of racist SJWs who are dumb enough to think I'm both a robot and a Nazi.

Then I answered my own question: those aren't the people whose opinions matter. It's the customers and the librarians and the normal folks, who aren't hateful and insane, who matter.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) June 14, 2015 2:28 PM  

LibraryThing reports that I only have 27 books published by Tor, though it's been a while since I last updated LibraryThing. At least they were all bought new. Farrar, Straus and Giroux, now....

Anonymous Thobby (#58) June 14, 2015 2:30 PM  

Actually, upon rereading, that sounded as though I were the author of the 27 books. I'm not, which given the current kerfuffle is just as well. :> That's just how many I own.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera June 14, 2015 2:31 PM  

If it comes down to a boycott, what's a good way of summing up the situation for friends and families who are not familiar with the dirty laundry?

Tor's top people said on social media they think people like me are closet neo-Nazis, so I don't buy their books anymore.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 14, 2015 2:40 PM  

That linked thread is glorious. I suggest at least skimming it.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 14, 2015 2:44 PM  

@Aeoli Pera Do robot Nazis kill regular Jews, or just robot Jews?

Blogger AmyJ June 14, 2015 2:47 PM  

Most of my books are in storage, but I can guess that I have appx. 18-20 Tor paperbacks (the majority of those being the WoT series, what a waste) and 3-4 hardbacks floating around in a handful of boxes. Have been relying on my Kindle and digital libraries for reading material, but the last Tor ebook I bought was in 2011 (Speaker For the Dead). Total is 5 Tor ebooks at $38. Not exactly keeping them afloat, but I have no plans on purchasing from them again, until and unless the quality changes.

Blogger Danby June 14, 2015 2:48 PM  

The humor of the situation, in my opinion, is the ongoing degradation of the prestige of the once-coveted Nebula Award. Certainly if I were running a literary award that was widely perceived as being increasingly tarnished by arcane rules, unabashed logrolling, and general ridiculousness, my next move would definitely be to recruit me a yawping borderline anti-Semite and woman-hater for the award's jury. Just as an exercise in branding, if nothing else." -Patrick Hayden at the link

How's that working out for you Pat?

Blogger Danby June 14, 2015 2:50 PM  

As far as I know, the only entrance requirement for SFWA membership is publication credits; if you have them in order, it seems doubtful they would not accept you. At the very least, when I applied for membership, they didn't ask me about my politics. Scalzi at the link

Until you got in power, right Johnny boy?

Anonymous Rolf June 14, 2015 2:51 PM  

Your shelf looks a lot like mine. Thousands of books, everything from the OED and the CRC to piles of SF/F from Ace, Pocket, Daw, Delray and Baen. A great number of the last two. A lot of 1980s Pournelle, for example.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 2:51 PM  

If it comes down to a boycott, what's a good way of summing up the situation for friends and families who are not familiar with the dirty laundry?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We can address that if the time comes. In the meantime, just count your books, take a picture of them if possible, and add up their value.

Anonymous BGS June 14, 2015 2:55 PM  

Ha they will rebut that they are not the same Tor that published Conan, Dune, Card & Asimov. The new tor is about brown tranny were seals that cant tell what gender they are or the difference between a miscarriage and a bowel movement. I have a lot of books still in boxes from moving.

If it comes down to a boycott, what's a good way of summing up the situation for friends and families who are not familiar with the dirty laundry?

Tell them they have said bad things about BigGaySteve and his views on gay marriage.

Blogger Salt June 14, 2015 3:07 PM  

Most books I acquired over the years, long ago, are in storage. I know some are SFF. But getting to them ain't going to happen. Besides, Tor customer or not, what right is right regardless.

Blogger murphaticlaw June 14, 2015 3:09 PM  

And I've been needing to unbox and fill up my new book cases...although the books already shelved seem to run Ace, Del Rey and Baen.

Blogger Kull June 14, 2015 3:21 PM  

The funny thing about that classic nebula thread is the leaps they make. Statement: women are less likely to write hard sci fi because they, on average, show less interest/ability with the hard sciences ( pardon my inept paraphrasing). The conclusion they draw; Vox can't be trusted to judge women fairly. Yeah, no. A woman displaying knowledge of physics, chemistry, whatever, deserves whatever credit her skills have earned. The fact that she is an outlier statistically wouldn't matter. And then they go on to actually reinforce your point further by bringing up Asaro. Apparently she has had education in the sciences, physics, etc, and yet she still wrote a romance! That thread is gold. Our host shows up later and starts tossing furniture around right? It's been a while since I read it. It's nice, I get to read it again like its the first time.

The sad part is scalzi seemed reasonable for a bit. I guess he made his choice, the tribe before reason, and it's been a snarky ride down snark mountain since. It's a shame.

Anonymous JRL June 14, 2015 3:39 PM  

Vox, just in case you haven't been reminded lately,

"It's really, really obvious that VD is not acquainted with actual women. I don't just mean sexual relations. I mean he's had little or no social interaction of any sort...It's pretty clear that VD fears and dislikes women..."

That comment has aged well....it just keeps getting more amusing.

...and what's the deal with the "disemvowling"? Does she also get pleasure from pulling the legs of live insects? Kind of a creepy, small minded thing to do.

Anonymous Fubar June 14, 2015 3:41 PM  

Ah, the old Electrolite thread that demonstrates you are a nut and John Scalzi is a stand up guy.

Anonymous T June 14, 2015 4:04 PM  

The only thing that would improve that legendary thread is VD having his flaming sword pic as his avatar.

Blogger J Carlton June 14, 2015 4:10 PM  

Reading that post, the amount of pure hate therein for somebody they had apparently knew little or nothing about and the amount of effort that they go to feed that hate just astounds me. All because you supposedly sullied the "pure" Nebula by having a different viewpoint. It's astounding the lengths these people will go to eliminate badthink on the slightest pretext.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 14, 2015 4:23 PM  

Not gonna lie Vox, you are a professional at this. Is this a talent, or did you learn it from somewhere?

Anonymous Anonymous June 14, 2015 4:30 PM  

Please put up the addresses for reaching TomDoherty and the two folks at MacMillan

Anonymous Steve June 14, 2015 4:31 PM  

"The humor of the situation, in my opinion, is the ongoing degradation of the prestige of the once-coveted Nebula Award. Certainly if I were running a literary award that was widely perceived as being increasingly tarnished by arcane rules, unabashed logrolling, and general ridiculousness, my next move would definitely be to recruit me a yawping borderline anti-Semite and woman-hater for the award's jury. Just as an exercise in branding, if nothing else." -Patrick Hayden

But they couldn't find any borderline anti-Semitic woman haters, so the SFWA gave an award to a well-known NAMBLA supporter and writer of kiddy-fiddly erotica instead:

SFWA has named Samuel R. Delany, Jr. (1942– ) as the 2013 DAMON KNIGHT MEMORIAL GRAND MASTER for his contributions to the literature of Science Fiction and Fantasy.

Diversity!

Anonymous Satan's Hamster June 14, 2015 4:36 PM  

"Reading that post, the amount of pure hate therein for somebody they had apparently knew little or nothing about and the amount of effort that they go to feed that hate just astounds me."

That's nothing new. As e.e. cummings put it decades ago, "every kumrad is a bit of quite unmitigated hate." But, of course, he'd visited the Soviet Union in the 30s, and seen the left's utopia with his own eyes. Which is why he was able to write a poem that may be the best--not to mention most vicious--summation of the left-wing mindset ever written.

Hate is what the left do. When have you ever seen them build something new, rather than destroy what others have built? Without hate, what would they have?

And projection of their inner hate is why they claim we're trying to destroy Tor, rather than save it.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 14, 2015 4:36 PM  

For "anonymous", the contact info and what is to be said is in this post:
Outrage is not manufactured

Blogger Tommy Hass June 14, 2015 4:36 PM  

I should say, "Is it primarily natural talent, or did you primarily etc"

We don't wanna be binary thinkers.

Blogger Bateful Higot June 14, 2015 4:37 PM  

The following video was inevitable. Its ending is, as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxJswUHTwd8

Blogger Tommy Hass June 14, 2015 4:38 PM  

" When have you ever seen them build something new, rather than destroy what others have built?"

When they industrialized at record pace in the Soviet Union.

Gotta give credit where it's due.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 4:40 PM  

Please put up the addresses for reaching TomDoherty and the two folks at MacMillan

Look two posts down.

Not gonna lie Vox, you are a professional at this. Is this a talent, or did you learn it from somewhere?

Not a professional, just a professional game designer. Which means creating structure out of nothing and anticipating consequences are things I have done on a daily basis for 25 years. This is just a different application running on a different operating system.

Anonymous Steve June 14, 2015 4:49 PM  

I believe that's a new record for number of comments disemvowelled in one go.

Exercise of arbitrary authority, yum.

-Teresa Nielsen Hayden

What a thoroughly unpleasant woman.

If you don't like someone's comments on your blog, by all means feel free to delete them. It's your space.

But "disemvowelling" - editing someone's words to make them look foolish - is, much as Hayden tries to present it as lighthearted fun, passive aggressive petty bullying of the sneakiest sort.

Particularly coming from someone who used to work in the writing trade. You'd hope literary professionals would have the common decency not to deliberately garble someone else's words. It's like an art critic deciding to draw a Hitler moustache and a pair of tits on a painting he doesn't like.

Mens sana in corpore sano, as Juvenal put it.

Amazing how often the obverse is also true.

Anonymous ZJ June 14, 2015 4:54 PM  

Beside boycotting, would donating our books to a used bookstore impact the company at all? I would imagine that flooding the market with used books would decrease their sales of new books and also increase our bookshelf space for new books (or repurchasing those books from another publisher). Plus you could possibly get a tax write off.

Is there a flaw in this plan?

Anonymous The other robot June 14, 2015 5:00 PM  

Beside boycotting, would donating our books to a used bookstore impact the company at all?

Whoa, this is a good idea. I could get rid of those two Scalzi books I purchased a few years ago and get some Kratman hardcopies of the eBooks I already own in return!

Blogger Salt June 14, 2015 5:10 PM  

@the other robot

How so?

Blogger jay c June 14, 2015 5:12 PM  

Other than reference material, I don't keep many books that I buy. I usually give them to friends or to second-hand stores. Instead of the photo and estimate, I have contented myself with a list of about two dozen Tor authors whose books I've enjoyed and would buy again.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 14, 2015 5:35 PM  

If I kept all the books I buy I couldn't get in the door of my house. Recreational reading paperbacks eventually get given away. I couldn't begin to estimate how many books from Tor I have purchased over the decades, especially since I never paid any attention to who the publisher was.

Speaking of the downhill slide of science fiction publishing, does anyone else remember back when 7-11s and other convenience stores would have racks filled with paperbacks with authors like Niven, Pournelle, and Heinlein?

Anonymous Koanic June 14, 2015 5:42 PM  

The easiest way to see whether you're currently a customer of Tor is to first check yourself for AIDS. Then go to Amazon advanced book search and put "Tor" in the publisher field. Browse the first few pages and see whether you recognize the titles.

Turns out I'm Tor positive.

Eenie weeny fuzzy balzy:
falzy walzy bunny Scalzy.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2015 5:44 PM  

Since I gave away a lot of books a decade ago during a move, my Tor pile is only 8 books high. Looking at my shelves, it's clear that I shifted from SF/F to more mysteries, historical fiction, and other genres, except for a few favorite authors. Which of course is another indicator of the problem we're talking about -- even people who didn't realize why, drifted away from the genre because the ideological restrictions brought down the quality.

Anyway, what's interesting is that my Tor books are not exactly the cream of the crop. Three are from Card, two being paperbacks from the Ender series; but my (very battered) copy of Ender's War (a single volume including Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead) is from a different publisher, and I have a few Card books from two other publishers as well. Two are from Glen Cook, but the Garrett books aren't. One is Piers Anthony, which may be an oddball because the several other Anthony books I have are from Avon. One Donaldson, but from his lesser-known "Man Who" series (which isn't SF/F at all, oddly), not Covenant or Gap.

It's a very small sample, but it doesn't give an impression of Tor as an industry leader. If Tor dies in a fire, it appears all these authors have relationships with other publishers anyway.

Anonymous Koanic June 14, 2015 6:03 PM  

The easiest way to see whether you're currently a customer of Tor is to first check yourself for AIDS. Then go to Amazon advanced book search and put "Tor" in the publisher field. Browse the first few pages and see whether you recognize the titles.

Turns out I'm Tor positive.

Eenie weeny fuzzy balzy:
falzy walzy bunny Scalzy.

Anonymous Koanic June 14, 2015 6:10 PM  

It had to be done.

Rottweiler Puppy vs Rabbit

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 14, 2015 6:14 PM  

@Koanic

Just bought Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell and bought I Am Legend a couple of years ago. Also bought Old Man's War, stopped buying Scalzi's stuff when he made it clear that he was an asshat.

Blogger slarrow June 14, 2015 6:27 PM  

You know, looking back at that original thread, it's noteworthy how many of these same people that jumped on Vox back then are the same people howling now: the Nielsen Haydens, Scalzi, Stross, Laura Mixon. It's just so damn insular and was so for a long, long time. No wonder they squealed so loudly when the con was exposed.

Anonymous pseudotsuga* June 14, 2015 6:55 PM  

I see Kowal is threatening Tor... that reminds me a lot of people who threaten to leave the USA if candidate X is elected, yet they don't actually act on it,since it's not really a threat. If Kowal does pull her books, does Tor really lose any money? She could then offer them off to another publishing house, like...hmm...what comes to mind...some small publisher up in Finland which is looking for quality writing...

Anonymous Nathan June 14, 2015 6:58 PM  

If MRK adds quitting Writing Excuses to her offer, I'd say she has a deal.

Anonymous The other robot June 14, 2015 7:01 PM  

How about this. If they fire Irene, I will return the advances on my next two books and pull them.

I don't know which would make me happier. Not buying the drek she writes or not having to contemplate (however briefly) buying the drek she writes.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 14, 2015 7:02 PM  

I believe that's a new record for number of comments disemvowelled in one go.

I have an idea: Go on there and post your comments pre-disemvowelled.

Essentially all you're doing is spamming her comments section. And who cares? She was going to do it to herself anyway.

Blogger bob k. mando June 14, 2015 7:04 PM  

45. pseudotsuga* June 14, 2015 6:55 PM
some small publisher up in Finland which is looking for quality writing...


even according to Kowal's own website, her novels are Regency Romances.
http://maryrobinettekowal.com/novel/shades-of-milk-and-honey/

so, unless Castalia is going to expand into the more tech advanced Romance genre, they're not going to be interested.

Blogger James Dixon June 14, 2015 7:17 PM  

> But "disemvowelling" - editing someone's words to make them look foolish - is, much as Hayden tries to present it as lighthearted fun, passive aggressive petty bullying of the sneakiest sort.

Unless her terms of service allow carte blanche editing of posts on her site, it's also illegal. You own the copyright on your posts, not her.

Anonymous Ecthelion June 14, 2015 7:37 PM  

I see Kowal is threatening Tor... that reminds me a lot of people who threaten to leave the USA if candidate X is elected, yet they don't actually act on it,since it's not really a threat. If Kowal does pull her books, does Tor really lose any money? She could then offer them off to another publishing house, like...hmm...what comes to mind...some small publisher up in Finland which is looking for quality writing...

But if she is out the 13 large how is she going to pay for all of those Hugo votes?

Blogger MendoScot June 14, 2015 7:45 PM  

29. Bateful Higot June 14, 2015 4:37 PM
The following video was inevitable. Its ending is, as well.


Relax, John? That took me by surpise. Kudos BH.

Anonymous Beech June 14, 2015 8:01 PM  

So. Scalzi and PNH won't pay their dues if you stay in sfwa, and Robinette will find a new publisher if Irene Gallo is fired.

Anonymous Beech June 14, 2015 8:02 PM  

No bias at Tor, no sir.

Anonymous Rolf June 14, 2015 8:03 PM  

Soooo..... Kowal is "threatening" to make applying SJW rules to SJWs into a twofer if we win the first part? Wow, that's very generous of her.

Blogger frit bat June 14, 2015 8:11 PM  

"We shall serve no whine before its' time ."
leaperman (baen's bar)

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 14, 2015 8:12 PM  

31. Bateful Higot The following video was inevitable. Its ending is, as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxJswUHTwd8

----------------
Tom Doherty reacts to the Tor Boycott
Man, that is funny. Good show Bateful Higot!
Just when we'd thought this internet sub-genre had already been played out. I'd like to nominate this rendition as best of class.
Favorite line of many: "Relax John. We'll buy you onto the NYT List again." (at 2:56)
You have to see it to get it.

Anonymous zen0 the contemplaTor June 14, 2015 8:18 PM  

Fire is such an ugly word.

Asked to resign is more polite. To paraphrase JCW, it would be cruel of Tor to have her remain in abject humiliation.

I am sure she could find a spot lower in the food chain and work up again, after sufficient chastisement.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 14, 2015 8:20 PM  

If they fire Irene, I will return the advances on my next two books and pull them.

That is very big of her, seeing as how they may need that money to pay Scalzi with.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 14, 2015 8:23 PM  

Oooh, the bullies at Tor threaten to bully some more. She'll pull her advance like she "paid" for Worldcon Memberships or McRapey "pledged" to RAINN. Go for it, Lady Puppeteer.

Anonymous Rolf June 14, 2015 8:24 PM  

57 - yes, that's one of the better ones. And the line at 2:56 is great.

Blogger CM June 14, 2015 8:27 PM  

I've never bought a Tor book so i am not participating in the Tor boycott letters and such.

However, if they fire Ms. Gallo, I plan on purchasing some JCW and OSC books...

I really need some good reading while feeding the new little guy.

Anonymous Zimri June 14, 2015 8:36 PM  

I found twelve Tor books in this house, nine if you don't count the stuff I was going to resell but sixteen if you do count those and break the Conan and Black Company collections into their individual books. I used to have a lot more but I moved five years ago.

I'll tell Tor that they count as sixteen. I did after all *buy* and *finish* the books I was going to toss out.

Interestingly four of the ones I have left are in the There Will Be War series (2, 4, 5, 6). I suspect that point, especially, won't be lost on Macmillan.

Anonymous JRL June 14, 2015 8:44 PM  

Well done BH. Scalzi reference is classic.

Blogger napari June 14, 2015 8:49 PM  

Thread winner: 31. Blogger Bateful Higot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxJswUHTwd8

Side splitter all the way! lulz

Anonymous q June 14, 2015 8:51 PM  

"29. Bateful Higot June 14, 2015 4:37 PM
The following video was inevitable. Its ending is, as well.

"Relax, John? That took me by surpise. Kudos BH."

The superimposition of Scalzi's name over Stalin was a nice touch too. May have been coincidental, but good nonetheless.

Anonymous Quartermaster June 14, 2015 8:51 PM  

#66 is from Quartermaster. Don't know how q() got there.

Blogger Quizzer W June 14, 2015 8:57 PM  

Slightly OT: GRRM says a couple of things that should make all you bad evil VFMs feel bad and punish yourselves with an extra shot of grog (these are in the comments of his latest blog post http://grrm.livejournal.com/430377.html):

GRRM:
"As for the epithets, there was an apology issued for that "neo-nazi" tweet, and the author of same was publicly reprimanded, so I regard that as a closed book. Sorry, I don't buy into the school of thought that says "the apology was not sufficiently cringing, so we will continue with our character assassination."

On the other hand, no one is issuing any apologies for "Puppy kicker" or "CHORF" or "SJW." Far from it. The users of same are doubling down. They will not even cease using these terms. They have appeared, not once in a single tweet, but hundreds of time all over the internet."

And about two comments later GRRM writes:
"The people opposed to the slates are mainly members of traditional worldcon fandom, so one can call them simply "fans" or (more fannish) "fen," or even "trufen," an old fannish term.

If you want to bring politics in it, then call them "liberal fans" or "progressive fans."

There is no need for name calling."

Anonymous Viidad June 14, 2015 9:11 PM  

@Koanic

Nice to see you around again.

@Bateful Higot

Very nice.

Blogger Student in Blue June 14, 2015 9:17 PM  

You know nothing, GRRM Snow!

There's a marked difference between "not sufficiently cringing" and "apologizing for the wrong thing entirely".

But it's not like he really cares.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 14, 2015 9:21 PM  

George Rape, Rape Martin. What an oily fat fuck.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence June 14, 2015 9:31 PM  

We can be reasonably certain that SJWs have certainly thought about using bots to spam emails to get people fired before just from the basic assumption of projection being a default position just behind lying. So I am curious, how many people have they gotten fired with bots before?

Blogger Dexter June 14, 2015 9:38 PM  

26 Tor books, but they're almost all Jack Vance and OSC from the 1980s - 1990s. That may make them think "he's not a recent customer, so who cares." Still, I would buy their books if they didn't stink.

Anonymous Thales June 14, 2015 9:40 PM  

"Nazi?" They keep using that word. I don't think it means what they think it means.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 14, 2015 10:04 PM  

It's not that the apology wasn't "sufficiently cringing". It's that it only applied to a select and small sub-group of people that the comment was originally directed at. For example, she did not apologize to Vox Day or John Wright, which is why I disagree with Mr. Wright's acceptance of an apology that clearly did not apply to him.

Not to mention I'm sure that Mr. Martin held the head of Chick-fil-A or Phil Robertson to the same level of forgiveness.

Blogger Bateful Higot June 14, 2015 10:09 PM  

66. q

Stalin/Vox sync was completely intentional. As for Scalzi, out of everyone in that group he seemed the most appropriate to put in a dress.

Anonymous ticticboom June 14, 2015 10:18 PM  

Yes... and the contest for 2017 is the first four-way race in decades, with Helsinki, Washington DC, Montreal, and Japan all contending. - George Rape Rape Martin

Heh. Seeing as Baltimore isn't on the list (racist bastards), I know which city I'll be pulling for.

Anonymous ticticboom June 14, 2015 10:19 PM  

@Bateful Higot:

Awesome video.

Anonymous Koanic June 14, 2015 10:23 PM  

Doh, I double posted.

Am I failing at browser refresh, or is there some kind of mod queue that delays comments posting?

Also, this puppies vs rabbits is MUCH better. Much.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 14, 2015 10:30 PM  

> Stalin/Vox sync was completely intentional. As for Scalzi, out of everyone in that group he seemed the most appropriate to put in a dress.

Brilliant. EsJayDubyas cannot stand to be mocked like that.

By the way, who is that tall lady comforting him/her......the wife, or the daughter?

Anonymous Koanic June 14, 2015 10:31 PM  

@Bateful Higot Oh my gosh, that is the best "Hitler loses it" video I have ever seen. On a purely technical level, you incorporated many more elements of the film. Wow.

Anonymous FP June 14, 2015 10:39 PM  

Thread winner: 31. Blogger Bateful Higot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxJswUHTwd8

Agreed. Well done on the timing.

Anonymous 204 June 14, 2015 10:42 PM  

She could be lying about having inside information, she is an SJW.

Anonymous BGS June 14, 2015 10:49 PM  

GRRM says a couple of things that should make all you bad evil VFMs feel bad and punish yourselves with an extra shot of grog

I have been banned from commenting on G Rape Rape Martins Journal but can someone ask him if he spoke out against Mozilla's CEO Brendan Eich being fired for the same position Bath House Barry Obama said to black clergy a week before the 2008 election? He probably wouldn't even let a question like that go thru moderation if you wrote it nicely.

Also ask him what his favorite carbohydrate based snack is to settle the Doritos vs. pringles joke about him.

Blogger automatthew June 14, 2015 10:55 PM  

66 books, mostly hardcover. All the John C. Wright, all the Michael Flynn, and all the Gene Wolfe. Used to have all the OSC, but got rid of most of it when he began annoying me.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 14, 2015 11:20 PM  

This is good progress in a chain of events that really should not have happened but Tor/Ms. Gallo or actually Ms. Gallo chose poor words. Overall, I'll wait and see for future continued coverage.

Anonymous zen0 June 14, 2015 11:38 PM  

> Ms. Gallo chose poor words

Ms. Gallo chose a poor ideology. That is where the words came from.

Anonymous zen0 June 14, 2015 11:50 PM  

> She could be lying

No could. It is a default position. It is all they got.

A blind squirrel MIGHT find a nut. Best not to count on it.

Anonymous JRL June 15, 2015 12:17 AM  

Mozilla's CEO Brendan Eich being fired

He wasn't fired.

Anonymous ticticboom June 15, 2015 1:35 AM  

@JRL:

Just like Gallo will be leaving of her own accord.

The only question is how much humiliation and damage to future prospects she'll endure before that happens. I'm guessing a lot. She'd gleefully burn Tor down to the foundations for the lulz, that seems obvious. Of course, then she'd be radioactive, and the lefty non-profit gigs are drying up, finally.

Ironically Eich has less to lose but fell on his sword rather than play Emmanuel Goldstein until the SJWs got bored and found someone else. Or maybe, Gallo comes from old money like that psychobitch that kicked off Gamergate. But if that were the case she probably would've called Doherty a nazi asshole to his face and dared him to fire her.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 15, 2015 3:28 AM  

Not a professional, just a professional game designer. Which means creating structure out of nothing and anticipating consequences are things I have done on a daily basis for 25 years. This is just a different application running on a different operating system.

Well, when the enemy insists on using that 6 - +1 Kraut Colonel as their leader, how much credit can you really take?

Blogger Red Bane June 15, 2015 5:24 AM  

Any numbers coming in or too soon?

Blogger Bateful Higot June 15, 2015 5:31 AM  

>who is that tall lady comforting him/her......the wife, or the daughter?

Wil Wheaton.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 6:09 AM  

Any numbers coming in or too soon?

112 as of 6 AM EDT. But a fair number of people aren't CC'ing me, which is fine.

Anonymous Mand Piper (0215) June 15, 2015 6:42 AM  

Mail sent, but forgot to CC. Forgive me Dread One!

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 6:54 AM  

Same here, all three sent, forgot to CC Vox. Sent all three.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 7:33 AM  

Forgive me Dread One!

NP. Not concerned about an exact count. It's up to 156 CC'd already. Other people's followers aren't CC'ing me, so I estimate the true number sent is about 3X that.

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 8:10 AM  

@ Jack Amok

Well, when the enemy insists on using that 6 - +1 Kraut Colonel as their leader, how much credit can you really take?

I had completely forgotten about that leader in Squad Leader until reading this. Ha ha! I remember being stuck with him in a scenario once, long ago. Ouch

Anonymous Geoff June 15, 2015 8:32 AM  

"It's up to 156 CC'd already."

The East Coasters just needed to finish their coffee.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 June 15, 2015 9:16 AM  

Minion #10 reporting in. Emails volleyed, Tor books preliminary tally locked and loaded.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 15, 2015 9:28 AM  

Since I'm not in the habit of keeping paperbacks I buy unless there's a strong probability that I'll re-read them, I found that I actually don't have much by Tor on my shelf right now. I actually probably haven't bought much in the last several years. Other than a handful of one-off titles that I just haven't gotten around to reading yet, all I've got is the first in a Brandon Sanderson series that I'm interested in trying out, a few very old Horned Helmet sword & sorcery by James Silke based on the Frank Frazetta pieces of the same name, and the Black Company series by Glen Cook. I was thinking that I could pick up the Garret PI books also by Cook, but I checked; they're not even published by Tor, but by Roc.

That's the problem with SJW entryism; they really don't publish much that I'm interested in anymore. They've effectively already driven me away anyway.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 11:05 AM  

Over 500 CC'd now.

Anonymous Rhys O'Reilly June 15, 2015 11:33 AM  

@ CM: I too do not read Tor, and have not for a long time. In fact, I had given up on modern fantasy and sci fi until recently. John C Wright was on my reading list but I will not be purchasing any of his work while he is published by Tor. I sent an email to that effect.

Blogger napari June 15, 2015 12:36 PM  

3 emails sent today.

Blogger Kaijubushi June 15, 2015 12:39 PM  

Emails have been sent.

Blogger James Sullivan June 15, 2015 12:58 PM  

I sent my 3. No CCs though.

Blogger Kull June 15, 2015 1:39 PM  

Emails sent.

Blogger luagha June 15, 2015 2:04 PM  

Sent my 3 but no CC. Need to work on my reading comprehension, clearly.

I did mention that the metadata on all the pictures sent will be different. Anyone who could generate and randomize all of those properly should be doing something else with their life other than writing emails like these.

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