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Friday, June 26, 2015

More emanations and penumbras

And thus ends the last pretense of democracy in America:
The Supreme Court has declared that same-sex couples have a right to marry anywhere in the United States. Gay and lesbian couples already can marry in 36 states and the District of Columbia. The court's ruling on Friday means the remaining 14 states, in the South and Midwest, will have to stop enforcing their bans on same-sex marriage.
Five people can declare a fish to be a horse if they like, but that doesn't make it so. What's so tragic about the abandonment of both traditional morality and the last vestiges of democracy in America is that it was done for such a petty little cause.

I observed that America was dead 11 years ago in a column entitled "You Can't Fix a Corpse". This is just the corpse beginning to stink.

It's wryly amusing to recall all those Republicans who swore that the solution was to elect Republicans so they could nominate Supreme Court Justices. How did that work out for you, especially in light of what I predicted back in 2004.

Any last vestiges of hope in the Republican Party have been shattered by the current regime, wherein a Republican President, Republican House, Republican Senate and Republican-nominated Supreme Court have demonstrated that they have zero interest in the timeless vision of America’s founders. Supporting them in the hopes that they will revive American liberties is akin to hoping that shock paddles will suffice to revive a month-old corpse. American freedom is not only dead, it has been rotting for some time.

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Anonymous Tom Joad June 26, 2015 3:18 PM  

If you do not support incest, zoophilia, pedophilia, etc, you have no grounds to argue to us the rightness of homosexuality.

Of all the arguments against homosexuality, this is the weakest.

I oppose incest because it usually begins when one party is a child, incapable of consent.

I oppose bestiality (which I assume is what you mean by zoophilia) because one party is an animal, incapable of consent.

I oppose pedophilia, again, because one party is a child, incapable of consent.

Gay people, like straight people, are not doing anything wrong so long as they confine their sexual activity to adult, consenting partners.

And I defy anyone to make a rational argument to the contrary.

Anonymous DeepThought June 26, 2015 3:23 PM  

@Samuel Scott - Your inability to grasp simple concepts makes me glad you live in Israel. To be so dense, while giving off the pretense of displaying intellect, is a classic representation of a SJW stalwart. Congratulations for giving me a chuckle.

Anonymous Teenage Jail June 26, 2015 3:24 PM  

@dh
I think that's the sense here of "why did the Supreme Court do this now"?. The tide in public opinion has turned, and many states have already gone past the tipping point. Even the most anti-gay marriage state is only 5-15 more years from demographically being incompatible with avoiding such a referendum passing.

I think that's true.

Anonymous Tom Joad June 26, 2015 3:25 PM  

383. Markku June 26, 2015 3:08 PM
but you cannot, even in a trolling fashion, make the case for Bob "explicitly" saying that.


sure he can. because he's a liar.

also, if he actually refutes my paraphrase, by definition he refutes the entirety of Samuel's argument.

and he knows this full well.

which is why the lying little sack of shit is going to try to drag the thread off into the weeds of accusing me of being in favor of murder.


Refuting your paraphrase does not refute Samuel's argument because the second portion of that paraphrase is the important one: If you don't think anything is wrong with homosexuality, then the rest of follows. Most people — unlike you, Bob Murder McMurdery Marko — DO think there is something wrong with murder or sociopaths torturing animals and children, which means that the rest would not necessarily follow.

Just, I imagine, as you are failing to follow this argument.

And, as I mentioned originally, murderers do have the constitutional right to marry, even after they have been convicted and even while they remain imprisoned.

So, you apparently not only believe that there is nothing wrong with murder, but you believe it is okay for murderers to have more constitutional rights than gays and lesbians.

Wow. You are quite a man, Bob Murder McMurdery Marko.

Blogger bob k. mando June 26, 2015 3:25 PM  

387. Bob K. Mando's Brain June 26, 2015 3:12 PM
The "K" stands for "kill".



yep. i'm just as much of a bloodthirsty maniac as Arlo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m57gzA2JCcM&t=8m40s

Anonymous SJB June 26, 2015 3:25 PM  

"Gay people have the right to enjoy the benefits that come with legal marriage."
.
You mean the right, as stated in Loving v. Virginia, of founding a family?
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Nah, I’m guessing you mean pension survivorship benefits. I’d guess those will be gone before long – “domestic partner benefits” coincidenced with a number of off-shoring efforts. Little can be done now to reduce on-shore costs but cut benefits. Thanks gay folk!

Anonymous Porky June 26, 2015 3:27 PM  

@Rabbi B

"Nope."

Rabbi, is there a substantive difference between "Christian" and "Messianic Jew who accepts Yeshua"?

Blogger darkdoc June 26, 2015 3:29 PM  

the existence of gay people getting married does not cause such direct, personal, and intimate pain because all of the opposition is subjective and theological.

Frankly, stunned at the arrogance that suggests your opinion of gay marrige should be considered by anyone else. I seriously don't care what you think, nor do I feel any need to even respect your view.

My reaction to the ruling is different than yours, my values different, the important issues different, and my considerations of the effects long term are different. I feel no need to prove a thing to you, and no need to convince that I feel correct about my view, while thinking at the same time your view is complete bullshit.

You don't know what personal, direct or intimate pain this causes me or anyone else. You claims to know are foolish.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 3:33 PM  

@ 396. Tom Joad

Who are you to say who is and who isn't capable of consent, fascist.

Apes will be granted personhood soon, why are you on the wrong side of history?

Why are you bigoted against related adults who want to get married?

Your argument is "but but homosexuality isn't as bad as those other things!" That is weak.

Blogger Bernard Brandt June 26, 2015 3:34 PM  

https://bernardbrandt.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/an-alternative-view

Anonymous kfg June 26, 2015 3:34 PM  

"I oppose incest because it usually begins when one party is a child, incapable of consent."

Of all the arguments against incest, this is the weakest. There are, as yet, age of consent laws.

"I oppose bestiality (which I assume is what you mean by zoophilia) because one party is an animal, incapable of consent."

Of all the arguments against bestiality, this is the most hypocritical if you are not a strict vegan.

"I oppose pedophilia, again, because one party is a child, incapable of consent."

Here you might be on to something, but I don't fancy living a world run by children who were raised without discipline.

Oh. Wait.

"Gay people, like straight people, are not doing anything wrong so long as they confine their sexual activity to adult, consenting partners."

Of all the arguments for gay marriage, this is the most irrelevant. Marriage is about inheritance rights.

Anonymous Tom Joad June 26, 2015 3:36 PM  

Your argument is "but but homosexuality isn't as bad as those other things!" That is weak.

No. My argument is that homosexuality isn't bad, period. You have yet to explain why it is.

Blogger Owen June 26, 2015 3:38 PM  

So, you apparently not only believe that there is nothing wrong with murder,

Your bitch tits are showing

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 3:39 PM  

@ 396. Tom Joad

Who are you to say who is and who isn't capable of consent?

Apes will soon be granted personhood, why are you on the wrong side of history?
Why are to bigoted against two adults engaging in an incestuous relationship?

You argument is "homosexuality isn't as bad as those other things". That is weak.

Anonymous Tom Joad June 26, 2015 3:40 PM  

Your bitch tits are showing

Careful now. I'm simply following the well-established precedent set by the founder of this blog.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 3:43 PM  

@ 407. Tom Joad

According to that logic bestiality and incest aren't bad, period, either. Yet you are bigoted against them. You have to explain why that is.

Blogger Markku June 26, 2015 3:45 PM  

sure he can. because he's a liar.

also, if he actually refutes my paraphrase, by definition he refutes the entirety of Samuel's argument.


Yes, he knows the standard tactic better than Sam, and starts shrieking about supposed moral equivalence instead of answering what is wrong with the counter-example. Because if you do something as stupid as that, then you have no grounds for saying that your inevitable naked assertion about the immorality of the counter-example is more justified. It's going to be just as naked as you claim the one about homosexuality to be.

So, always shriek. That's just elementary.

Blogger Nobody June 26, 2015 3:47 PM  

Welcome to the new normal. This isn't really about YOU, but your posterity. They only know what they know in the environment that they grow up. Out with the old, and in with the new. The New Man. Remember where we were? Here we are. Imagine where we will be?

So SCOTUS made their ruling.

We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

Anonymous kfg June 26, 2015 3:53 PM  

"They only know what they know in the environment that they grow up. Out with the old, and in with the new."

This is why the government schools separate children from their families, and children from each other in year groups.

It allows the finest gradation of controlling the environment in order to create the New Man.

Anonymous redsash June 26, 2015 3:55 PM  

Gay marriage affects me directly. Seeing two men smooch in public makes me nauseous.

It is cruel and perverted to place an adopted child in such an ungodly environment.

This sin of homosexuality actually rewires the brain causing effeminate speech patterns.

The most startling aspect of this abomination is that about 2 percent of the populace are homosexuals. This means that many people bought into all the homosexual propaganda, and that the prince of this world, despite this nation being relatively Christian in nature and history, found a remarkably easy time entering into the hearts of the governing elite.

Anonymous Tom Joad June 26, 2015 4:01 PM  

According to that logic bestiality and incest aren't bad, period, either. Yet you are bigoted against them. You have to explain why that is.

So, apparently, you believe there is nothing wrong with nonconsensual sex.

I've explained. You either haven't listened or have failed to understand.

Blogger bob k. mando June 26, 2015 4:03 PM  

412. Markku June 26, 2015 3:45 PM
So, always shriek. That's just elementary.



exactly so. which is why your attempting to 'explain' to him what he was missing is simply helping him sow chaos and drag the conversation off track.

he knew from the first reply that that argument was not *my* argument. his pretension otherwise was his first lie, with regards to me.

he's the kind of person who watches The Dark Knight and walks out of the theater raving about how 'honest' Heath Ledger's Joker was.

as to the relevance of my questions about Sodom / Lot:
the goals of the queers are always the same. regardless of how they lie today. just as that Russian lesbian living in NYC admits, their goal is to utterly destroy marriage.

Sodomites will attempt to recreate the customs of Sodom. and they care not a whit over your concerns.

for, as with Keynes, they will produce no heirs and will have no posterity. so why should they care what happens after they die?


ps - thanks for reminding me. i'm pretty sure i'm the one who introduced the concept of italicizing quotes here. yet another of the concepts i either introduced or innovated to the board.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 4:04 PM  

No it's not OT. But query: Where's Galt's Gulch?

HA! As if we would tell you. It wouldn't be much of a Galt's Gulch if everyone on the internet knew where it was.

Anonymous Tom Joad June 26, 2015 4:04 PM  

Yes, he knows the standard tactic better than Sam, and starts shrieking about supposed moral equivalence instead of answering what is wrong with the counter-example.

I explained, very clearly, what is wrong with the counter-example. If you believe murder is wrong, then the whole thing falls apart.

Damn. I thought you all prided yourself on your intelligence

Anonymous Tom Joad June 26, 2015 4:06 PM  

thanks for reminding me. i'm pretty sure i'm the one who introduced the concept of italicizing quotes here. yet another of the concepts i either introduced or innovated to the board.

For what it's worth, bold works much better. It's clearer and easier to spot.

I can see why you went for italics instead.

Blogger Stephen Ward June 26, 2015 4:07 PM  

"I explained, very clearly, what is wrong with the counter-example. If you believe murder is wrong, then the whole thing falls apart."

Icantevenwowjustwow. Tom, do you bother to think about what you write before you post it?

Blogger bob k. mando June 26, 2015 4:09 PM  

According to that logic bestiality and incest aren't bad, period, either. Yet you are bigoted against them. You have to explain why that is.

421. Tom Joad June 26, 2015 4:01 PM
So, apparently, you believe there is nothing wrong with nonconsensual sex.



there is nothing intrinsically non-consensual about incest OR bestiality, you dolt.

otherwise, queer men wouldn't be dying from taking a stallion up the ass.

http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4158101.html


also, adult daughters meeting their fathers ( or siblings ) for the first time wouldn't be jumping into bed with them:
http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2003/may/17/weekend7.weekend2

Blogger Markku June 26, 2015 4:11 PM  

If you believe murder is wrong, then the whole thing falls apart.

It most certainly does not. We feel moral revulsion to both homosexuality and murder, but this alone doesn't make either of them wrong. What makes murder wrong in OUR system of morality, is that God has informed us that he considers it wrong. He has also said the same thing about homosexual activities. We may epistemologically guess the morality of both from our own moral compass (though not completely reliably), but that doesn't make it ontologically wrong.

However, you judge the rightness and wrongness by some other principle, or else you would believe homosexual practices to be wrong. So, by asking the question, we are forcing you to make your moral reasoning explicit. Sam made this mistake, and already defined material harm for us as, among other things, confusing some natural-law (or Tao) kind of a thing with another. This was his undoing, as it's precisely why we believe homosexual practices to be wrong.

You are wiser, you shriek instead, and don't allow us to poke at your own moral reasoning. This shows more experience.

Anonymous T June 26, 2015 4:11 PM  

Hey Tom, not all incest starts at a young age.

So why don't you reply to those? Why do you hate consensual people who just love each other?

Anonymous Susan June 26, 2015 4:13 PM  

#381

What you are quoting on is Bob's response to an earlier riff by Scott. So Bob and Markku are both correct when they tell you that he did not say that.

There are some thought provoking ideas on this thread today. And I want to thank Rabbi B and Pastor JDC for their encouragement and spirit lifting guidance today. It was comforting.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ (30) June 26, 2015 4:19 PM  

All permutations are now within rationalizing rays of the emanations and penumbras. It shouldn't take too long for "Akbar & Jeff" scenarios to start playing out (brothers, lovers, or possibly both). The sky's the limit. Rock bottom of the pit is another limit too.

Blogger FALPhil June 26, 2015 4:21 PM  

Samuel Scott wrote:
Here's the thing: Gay people and same-sex intercourse will always exist. And it may lead to such ailments. What do you want to do about it? Based on the premise I quoted, isn't the answer to encourage gay people to get married and be faithful to one person?

Homosexuals are defined by their behavior. There are plenty of "old maids" who go through life without having sex. Legitimizing homosexual marriage does nothing but encourage homosexual sex, which has absolutely no value to civilization and can be said to be a detriment. Furthermore, if homosexuality is actually a mental disorder, are we really doing homosexuals any favors by legitimizing the behavior?

and:

It's one of the reasons that society encourages straight people to get married -- it's not healthy to individuals or to society to be screwing someone different every night of the week. Whether your gay or straight.

You clearly do not understand Western civilization. Monogamy among heterosexuals is not a goal with marriage. The goals of marriage are to ensure the survival of progeny and guarantee inheritance. That makes for a relatively stable economic model and power structure. It has very little to do with sexual habits, about which many red pill adherents on this blog and Alpha Game will be happy to inform you.

Anonymous johnc June 26, 2015 4:25 PM  

Has anybody noticed that arguments for gay marriage are dumber than a box of hair? That's one of the reasons I stopped arguing with supporters many years ago. You will, in time, get dumber through simple exposure.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 4:25 PM  

@Patrick Kelly

Massachusetts enacted laws requiring marriage licenses for Englishmen who desired to marry an indian in the 1600's.

A license, in general, is permission to do that which would otherwise be illegal, unlawful, a tort or a trespass.

A marriage license is a special license issued to persons who desire to intermarry.

Intermarriage: see, miscegenation.

Miscegenation: the mixing of the races, as between a white and a negro.

Under the ruling in Meister v. Moore, (1878) the Supreme Court declared that laws regarding marriage licenses were "merely directory"

Directory: the opposite of imperative, with no invalidating consequences or penalties for the disregard of such a law. In other words, the laws requiring a marriage license are polite suggestions.

All definitions from Black's 5th Edition Legal dictionary.

"A corporation is the creature of the state..." Hale v Henkel. Cited over 1600 times, this is bedrock jurisprudence. Any so-called church that is incorporated (forget about IRS 501c3 status) is REQUIRED to obey this ruling and any officers or employees of said corporation may be punished if they refuse to do so.

A church is tax exempt.

A corporation masquerading as a church has to have a tax exemption. (501c3 status)


Blogger JaimeInTexas June 26, 2015 4:29 PM  

Oh, heck. Since this decision causes a whole bunch of us to think that we, as a society, are all screwed, well, metaphorically speaking, we are all gays whether we want or not.

Blogger bob k. mando June 26, 2015 4:30 PM  

426. Stephen Ward June 26, 2015 4:07 PM
Tom, do you bother to think about what you write before you post it?




Tom's object is not to compose a logical, coherent point.

it's to sow chaos.

otherwise, he wouldn't have chosen the "Bob approves of murder" lie that he did to open his rebuttal.

Blogger Godless Heathen June 26, 2015 4:31 PM  

I recommend you just stop performing marriages altogether. There's nothing stopping you from throwing a party for a happy couple that just got hitched at the courthouse.
If you are still required to perform marriages for whatever reason then:
Hey everybody, we're here for a marriage.
Do ya? yes
Do ya? yes
You're now married in the eyes of the politicians.
Have a nice day.

Anonymous Fred G. June 26, 2015 4:35 PM  

One could interpret the "double rainbow over the White House" as God saying, "No, I promised. I won't destroy them like I did in the time of Noah. At least, not yet...."

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 4:35 PM  

@ 421. Tom Joad

The only thing you've explained is how bigoted you are against free love, you fascist troll.
Why do you hate people who have done you no hard and just want to live their lives?
The hatred of rascist and homophobes pales in comparison.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 4:39 PM  


"It has been an honor to live at your side, men; and it will be an honor to die by it.

Screw that! It will be my honor to kill them at your side.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 4:41 PM  

Marriage by a signed Marital covenant is a much better way to go. No license, no permission of the state, all the particulars in black and white.

Here's a question for you.

With a pre-nup, the consideration is the promise to marry.

With a marital contract, what is the consideration? Remember, sexual relations is off limits because sexual relations cannot be contracted for under any circumstances. With that off the table, what is the consideration in a marriage contract?

Anonymous BGS June 26, 2015 4:46 PM  

You should enjoy the fact that when SS's boyfriend gets an STD and breaks his arm for crying about it he will have to pay alimony if he gets a gay divorce.

SSOh, an Israeli right-winger...also known as left-wing in the US. And that's how I know you know nothing about Israeli politics.

Its just confusing that people like you want open borders for all white nations but sealed ones for Israel. Flooding goyim nations with fast breeding 3rd worlders while in isreal lying to black women as you give them birth control implants. You can see the confusion.

Then must they also recognize concealed carry permits issued by other states?" I've often wondered why this has not been pushed harder by the NRA or other large firearms related organizations

One reason was you risked supporting gay marriage, now anyone that supported gay marriage that doesn't support gays being able to protect themselves is a SS.

demographically being incompatible soon there wont be enough whites and Asians to feed the monkeys, when the EBT card fails all bets are off.

Blogger Salt June 26, 2015 4:52 PM  

Remember, sexual relations is off limits because sexual relations cannot be contracted for under any circumstances.

Mustang Ranch, Nevada.

Anonymous BGS June 26, 2015 4:53 PM  

No it's not OT. But query: Where's Galt's Gulch?

Remember white prisoners dropped on an a desert island penal colony now have the UN and feminists demanding they let blacks and moslems in. Australia

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 26, 2015 4:55 PM  

explain to me why Lot himself was not subject to the same rite of passage as the two angels ... when *he* was new to the city and unknown the queers of Sodom.

this also casts a new light on Abraham bargaining with the angels over the number of righteous men to be found in Sodom; Lot could not be numbered amongst the righteous men.

for, IF he was righteous THEN he would not have chosen to leave Abraham and reside in Sodom.


Possible that there was an exponential decline in morals after he moved there?

On his righteousness status, not sure why he'd get the special Angel Express evacuation if he was not righteous, since he'd deserve being included in the city's judgement. Also, 2 Peter 2:7.

Blogger Steve Clayworth June 26, 2015 4:58 PM  

If gay marriage is so offensive to you all, then by all means pray to your dear and fluffy lord to smite the wicked. I'll be happy to observe the non-response.

Anonymous Godscalc June 26, 2015 5:01 PM  

SS,

How exactly, precisely, and specifically will any aspect of your life be affected by the legality of non-procreative (heterosexual or homosexual) incestuous marriage?

Blogger FALPhil June 26, 2015 5:02 PM  

Steve Clayworth wrote:
If gay marriage is so offensive to you all, then by all means pray to your dear and fluffy lord to smite the wicked. I'll be happy to observe the non-response.


He has been smiting us all along, troll. Why do you think this once great nation is long past its zenith.

Those who have eyes, let them see. Those who have ears, let them hear.

I pity you.

Blogger RobertT June 26, 2015 5:03 PM  

I observed that America was dead 11 years ago in a column entitled "You Can't Fix a Corpse". This is just the corpse beginning to stink.

I ran for Congress 25 years ago and it was too late then. I discovered that by accident when the judged me good enough to let into the inner circle. All that stuff about smoke filled rooms is actually true, all the public stuff is just for show. Renegade Republicans resisting Boehner are living a life of the shunned. No wonder so many are running for Congress. Anything to get out of DC.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 26, 2015 5:03 PM  

I think that's the sense here of "why did the Supreme Court do this now"?

I've had a sense for maybe a year or so that SJWs are really feeling their oats and feeling like this is the time to strike and get as much as they can as fast as they can. I don't know if it's because the Obama presidency is ending soon, or because we have a new liberal pope, or they've reached some sort of emotional critical mass, but they seem to have no patience or prudence now.

I tend to agree with you that they could have had this through the democratic process if they'd just taken more time. 5-10 more years of indoctrination in the media and the schools, and they could have gotten it through the legislatures in enough states that SCOTUS could rule and force other states to recognize them (for insurance and so on), and then eventually the court would make it the law of the land without the overreach being so obvious.

That's how they got general acceptance for homosexuality itself, after all: getting people used to it through entertainment and gradually ramping up the deviancy. But today's SJWs weren't willing to wait for that. They have no sense of when they could gain by taking a step back, no willingness to put in the long work of indoctrination that Hollywood did for gays for more than 50 years. The same thing is true of the Hugos and SJW infections in open-source projects: they're not willing to take the necessary time to simmer the frog anymore. They want to boil the damn thing now, and if it tries to jump out, they've got the courts and the cops to hold the lid on it. What could go wrong?

Come to think of it, maybe they didn't want to change minds this time. Maybe getting people to say, "You know, I never thought I'd say this, but I've changed my mind: letting gays marry would be okay," isn't as satisfying as shoving it down the throats of those same people before they think that. If you assume a lot of this is rebellion against Daddy and wanting to shock him, that fits.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 5:03 PM  

"Clergy need to, en masse, refuse to participate in the institution of civil marriage. Neither require nor sign a marriage license."

Then they will just change the law to state that religious marriage is not recognized and deny tax and health benefits to families. Then we will be materially harmed and SS will be satisfied.

Blogger RobertT June 26, 2015 5:04 PM  

I observed that America was dead 11 years ago in a column entitled "You Can't Fix a Corpse". This is just the corpse beginning to stink.

I ran for Congress 25 years ago and it was too late then. I discovered that by accident when the judged me good enough to let into the inner circle. All that stuff about smoke filled rooms is actually true, all the public stuff is just for show. Renegade Republicans resisting Boehner are living a life of the shunned. No wonder so many are running for Congress. Anything to get out of DC.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 26, 2015 5:19 PM  

Screw that! It will be my honor to kill them at your side.

Heh. There's a great line from Chief O'Brien in DS9, when they're about to go into battle alongside a group of Jem'Hadar (think genetically-engineered Klingons with less of a sense of humor):

Omet'iklan: I am First Omet'iklan, and I am dead. As of this moment, we are all dead. We go into battle to reclaim our lives. This we do gladly, for we are Jem'Hadar. Remember: victory is life.
Jem'Hadar: Victory is life!
[the Jem'Hadar march out]
[O'Brien turns to face the assembled Federation officers]
O'Brien: I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. I am very much alive, and I intend to stay that way.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 5:22 PM  

"Brace yourselves, everyone. It's going to be one helluva ride before it's all over."

SS,
See, you made Rabbi B swear. The hurts my feelbads.

Blogger bob k. mando June 26, 2015 5:28 PM  

445. SirHamster (#201) June 26, 2015 4:55 PM
On his righteousness status, not sure why he'd get the special Angel Express evacuation if he was not righteous, since he'd deserve being included in the city's judgement.



a righteous man offers his daughters up for rape? and then later fucks them and gets them with child himself?

Lot was spared *because*, while not righteous, he had the wit ( or integrity or lack of corruption or whatever ) to impose upon the messengers of God to spend the night in his home.

also, Lot was spared for Abraham's sake. that's why Abraham spent so much time bargaining with God. because he knew the moral state of Sodom and knew ( in general terms ) the judgment thereof.

had the emissaries spent the night in the streets, AS WAS THEIR PLAN, Lot and all his family would have been destroyed along with the rest of Sodom. because judgment would have been rendered THAT NIGHT.

Q: how could Lot possibly have "offered protection" to beings who can blind the population of a city with a wave of their hands or rain down nuclear fire from the heavens in sufficient quantities to utterly destroy two cities?

A: he could not. every one of his acts was in vain.

had Lot been righteous he would have placed his faith in the Lord rather than offering his daughters to the mob. the only thing Lot accomplished with his pitiful and wrong headed acts was that the messengers forebore to act in direct judgment upon Lot's house and offered them the chance to escape.


445. SirHamster (#201) June 26, 2015 4:55 PM
Possible that there was an exponential decline in morals after he moved there?


adding righteous men to the population causes an exponential decline in morals?

this IS a novel hypothesis.



446. Steve Clayworth June 26, 2015 4:58 PM
I'll be happy to observe the non-response.


the Lord judges in his own time and in the fullness of your iniquity, Steve.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 5:35 PM  

Joad the Toad "I oppose incest because it usually begins when one party is a child, incapable of consent. "

And when it doesn't, you are not opposed?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 26, 2015 5:38 PM  

Porky: "Just want to point out that once again the Roman Catholic was the swing vote.

Papists ruin everything."

This was a victory of Jews over gentiles. The majority of those who voted for it were Jews. Every Jew on the court voted for it.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 26, 2015 5:43 PM  

a righteous man offers his daughters up for rape? and then later fucks them and gets them with child himself?

I personally wouldn't call him righteous by that. Yet God sees fit to spare him, and 2 Peter describes God's actions thus: "and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless ..."

So I guess there's Good News that God is generous with the "righteous" label, and acts to save even one like Lot from judgement on the wicked.

adding righteous men to the population causes an exponential decline in morals?

this IS a novel hypothesis.


That would be a pretty interesting hypothesis. Minority righteous living triggers rejection and resentment from the general population, resulting in more unrighteousness than otherwise.

Can we apply that model to Jesus' first coming?

Anonymous patrick kelly June 26, 2015 5:45 PM  

"Then they will just change the law to state that religious marriage is not recognized and deny tax and health benefits to families. Then we will be materially harmed and SS will be satisfied."

How would they do this without also disallowing common law marriages which inherently include any public ceremony and declaration religious or not?

It will be fun seeing this tried. I don't think it leads where they think it leads, but they'll sure try to ride out the storm I'm sure....

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 5:49 PM  

459-Add provision that only recognized marriage is state sanctioned. Common law could still be state sanctioned because shacking up is not sanctioned by the church. But, homoshack should have been common law, but was not.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 5:50 PM  

I think it would be more along the lines of NOT recognizing church ceremonies not filed through the court.

Blogger Corvinus June 26, 2015 5:51 PM  

Porky: "Just want to point out that once again the Roman Catholic was the swing vote.

Papists ruin everything."

This was a victory of Jews over gentiles. The majority of those who voted for it were Jews. Every Jew on the court voted for it.


Porky is a typical Gamma Know-Nothing type: No matter what goes wrong, even if it was actually somebody else's fault and the opposition was all Catholics, blame the Cat-lickers.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 5:56 PM  

civil war

Open talk of it today with a 30 something female cake-decorator when I informed her of Robert's "However". She said, "It makes me want to leave the country" ; I replied, "It makes me want to remove them from the country" She brightened, laughed and agreed that would be optimal.

What was fringe 10 years ago is now talked about in public by 30-something female cake decorators.

There is quite a bit of discretion. People will feel you out to test your character and disposition. Once you are "in" the planning and preps are the topic of conversation quite often.

Personally, that "However" by Roberts sealed the deal. I went from hoping we could recover the Republic via political and legal means to cold resolve to restore her the same way she was birthed.

Blogger CM June 26, 2015 6:05 PM  

I still have 100+ comments to read, so forgive any repeat...

First, @SS -
The "procreation" argument is not valid. If it were, then senior citizens and infertile people would be legally able to be barred from getting married.

I love how you dismiss procreation to defend gay marriage but pull it out your ass to dismiss incestual marriage. Why such a hateful bigot, Sam?

@JamesinTexas
So your the wife?

I think he's the pants wearing husband and was just being nice to his "wife"... after all, he's the one with the job with insurance coverage...

Blogger Harold June 26, 2015 6:08 PM  

To Samuel Scott

"All of the opposition's arguments stem from the opinion that same-sex relationships are immoral based on theological arguments. But U.S. courts cannot issue rulings based on religious arguments -- the United States is not a theocracy and has no official religion."

If you believe that, you're either a fool, or ignorant. The non-theological arguments against SSM exist, and are out there, published and waiting for you find if you open up your mind.

Anonymous The One June 26, 2015 6:12 PM  

Vox left
Snowden left
Roosh left
Lot left

Any questions?

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 6:13 PM  

Ironic, but I think they want to turn this country into Sodom and have the Christians outside the city as the Lepers.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 6:17 PM  

446
Put on the full armor of God so that you may STAND! I am not going anywhere.

Blogger Harold June 26, 2015 6:18 PM  

To Samuel Scott
You do realize that there are criminal not just civil penalties for refusing to facilitate perversion and celebrate it?

No one in the US will be legally forced to perform gay marriages or will be given legal penalties if they do not do so. If that changes, then I will join you in opposition to that specific use of unconstitutional force. But it won't happen.

Wrong, and it's already happened. http://www.business2community.com/social-buzz/nc-magistrate-refuses-perform-sex-marriages-01036780.

How many falsehoods are you going to post today?

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 26, 2015 6:20 PM  

" With a marital contract, what is the consideration?"
That is what the engagement ring is for. In this new brave world, both will have to exchange an engagement ring, or its equivalent.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 26, 2015 6:21 PM  

Jeff Burton: "1. Assault on tax exemption for religious institutions. They'll start with the easy targets (probably Catholic para church orgs). But then they'll move on to the tougher ones. Ultimate model is treatment of Bob Jones U. I receive a tax benefit for contributing to my church."

Every thing you said is true, but especially that. The Bob Jones U treatment is the ultimate institutional sanction.

Anonymous kfg June 26, 2015 6:22 PM  

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-couple-fined-13000-for-refusing-to-host-same-sex-wedding-at-their

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 26, 2015 6:27 PM  

In Texas, a common law marriage is defined as existing when all 3 tests are met:
1) The couple hold themselves to be married to each other.
2) The couple hold themselves to be martied to others.
3) The couple lives with each othet in the same house.

A religiously married couple will be considered to also be legally married. A covenantal Christian martiage is also a common law marriage.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 26, 2015 6:30 PM  

I guess the limitation imposed by "couple" soon to be expanded not to be exclusive.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 6:33 PM  

"A covenantal Christian martiage is also a common law marriage."
True, unless they make it a specific exemption

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2015 6:33 PM  

If anyplace will not do that, I would expect it to be Texas!

Anonymous Eric the Red June 26, 2015 6:40 PM  

It's like a disease, these viral leftist memes spreading outwards in all directions, never ceasing, mutating from one form into the next. Very few seem to have the natural immunity to resist. Those who are already infected are gone, lost to a fatal infection. Those who have yet to be infected don't do anything to enhance their immune system. And those such as the ilk who seem to have an immunity, well, from where did it come, and how can it be used to save the rest of what remains of society?

Anonymous patrick kelly June 26, 2015 6:44 PM  

"434. artisanaltoadshall"

Yeah, I've read all about that while searching. It's difficult to nail down a timeline in a way some adhd rabbit will pay attention long enough to understand the information and follow my reasoning. (yeah, fools errand....)

It is plain for anyone willing to see that at least for a few decades, most marriages in the US, except for Mass., were church/religious marriages without any state license or other sanctioning documents. The Feds didn't even make much effort to force States to recognize other State's marriages until the 1930's.

Anonymous LegallySpeaking June 26, 2015 6:47 PM  

*shrugs*

"Sic transit gloria mundi" for this nation occurred on June 28, 2012, guys. As the phrase goes, it's all over for America.

As I stated before, Obamacare 1 was, legally, the last nail in the coffin and burial of the Constitution having any objective effect on anything. This laughable decision is just to be expected at this point. There will be more ridiculousness to come, of course; enjoy the hilarious farce of it all.

Since Obamacare 1, the Constitution is honored more in the breach than in the observance.

I imagine a fun, idiosyncratic debate for future historians of new civilizations will be debating whether Roberts was a manchurian candidate; bribed; intimidated; or a traitor to his principles. It will hold a parlor-game fascination for those interested in the time period and the downfall of a great nation, rather like historians today argue whether Caesar truly meant to or would have ended the Roman Republic, or whether his murder merely gave Augustus the opening to end it. Of course, we may get the answer one day when some future historian gets a hold of Roberts' emails or phone calls or private writings. But it's just a parlor game; however he came to betray the Constitution and liberty, it is all done.

Find a retreat, save your books and writings, and for goodness sakes warn the future.

Blogger Mark Citadel June 26, 2015 7:10 PM  

Rod Dreher has proposed the 'Benedict Option' for Christians to forge their own parallel societies and swear off American democracy.

I call for the 'Codreanu Option'. Why not take the fight to the snakes? What allegiance do you have left to the American flag and all it stands for? It is time that Christians, considered dangerous by our own government according to their military documents, lived up to that expectation.

Blogger Harold June 26, 2015 7:15 PM  

"Wouldn't the best thing be to encourage them to get married and be faithful to one person?"

laws against adultery still exist in many states, but prosecutors don't bring charges. Adultery is only charged and prosecuted by the federal government, and only on persons subject to the UCMJ.

That said, according to the vast majority of male homosexuals questioned on the subject, homosexual marriage DOES NOT MEAN sexual exclusivity. That's a straight thing not required in the new definition of marriage. That kind of negates your point completely.

Blogger CM June 26, 2015 7:22 PM  

Why so hard on Lot?

If anything, he's the victim.

Genesis 19 seems to be clear, biblical evidence that it is indeed possible to rape a man.

Lot's daughters got him comatose drunk and slept with him.

Anonymous RJ June 26, 2015 7:32 PM  

"Why so hard on Lot?"

It may be that, when Abraham was asking God to spare X amount of the righteous men in Sodom, that he was trying to save Lot (the one righteous man in Sodom)...

Blogger Travis Kurtz June 26, 2015 7:39 PM  

Do read this: http://dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-culture/red-queen-rising.html

Anonymous T June 26, 2015 7:41 PM  

That said, according to the vast majority of male homosexuals questioned on the subject, homosexual marriage DOES NOT MEAN sexual exclusivity. That's a straight thing not required in the new definition of marriage. That kind of negates your point completely.

Ding ding! The idiot SJWs who think they can culturally appropriate marriage and use its classical norms are truly morons. The people who believe in these norms generally don't support the legitimacy of SSM.

The object is to destroy marriage, the family, and by extension, individuals raising and teaching their own kids.

It's very simple to see, SS, can you explain why the left spent so much time in the last 40 years taking a dump on marriage, calling it indentured servitude for women, a cultural relic, and so on, but for SSM they suddenly do a 180 and say that it's a right for gays because it's so wonderful you can't deny it to anyone?

Do you seriously not see the disconnect here? It's very simple. The left wants to end families as much as possible, to bring children and their indoctrination under the umbrella of the state.

The left hates marriage. They're just putting on a show.

And by the way SS, I'm gay so I automatically have more legitimacy than you on this subject.

Anonymous Beau June 26, 2015 7:53 PM  

How will you be physically, monetarily, or otherwise materially affected negatively by the existence of gay marriage?

In less than ninety minutes, my wife of 33 years, who was a lesbian, will give her testimony of escape from bondage to false to misleading attractions, deceptive impulses, rationalizations, and false teachings in a public meeting in San Francisco. She will tell of Jesus of Nazareth, her Savior, his written word, and Christians loving and teaching her to renounce lies and live the truth found in Romans 1:26-27. I'll tell you what the repercussions are in the coming hours, days, weeks, and months.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 June 26, 2015 7:55 PM  

Come Messiah! Thanks Rabbi

Anonymous Beau June 26, 2015 7:58 PM  

May we all consider the wisdom of the fourth stanza:

A mighty fortress is our God, a bulwark never failing;
Our helper He, amid the flood of mortal ills prevailing:
For still our ancient foe doth seek to work us woe;
His craft and power are great, and, armed with cruel hate,
On earth is not his equal.

Did we in our own strength confide, our striving would be losing;
Were not the right Man on our side, the Man of God’s own choosing:
Dost ask who that may be? Christ Jesus, it is He;
Lord Sabaoth, His Name, from age to age the same,
And He must win the battle.

And though this world, with devils filled, should threaten to undo us,
We will not fear, for God hath willed His truth to triumph through us:
The Prince of Darkness grim, we tremble not for him;
His rage we can endure, for lo, his doom is sure,
One little word shall fell him.

That word above all earthly powers, no thanks to them, abideth;
The Spirit and the gifts are ours through Him Who with us sideth:
Let goods and kindred go, this mortal life also;
The body they may kill: God’s truth abideth still,
His kingdom is forever.


Lord Jesus, be with my wife as she speaks. Be with me and the crew as we go to the streets tonight. Raise up men and women of God.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 26, 2015 7:59 PM  

God bless you Beau and your wife. Please keep us updated.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 June 26, 2015 7:59 PM  

Come Messiah.

Blogger Mark Citadel June 26, 2015 8:00 PM  

I have to say I'm amused by Samuel Scott's belief that his attempts to engage in argumentation have any sway here. Maybe somewhere like National Review or Breitbart you'd pump a frothing argument out of some Conservative, and then find yourself in a full debate!

Here, you will just be dismissed, even if some choose to toy with you for a while. If you cannot see fundamentally how sick and vile sodomite 'marriage' is, you're not even operating on our general wavelength. You're lost, condemned, flotsam and jetsam. Reactionaries serve Tradition, and through Tradition, we serve the Lord God most high. As sodomites march like Brownshirt stormtroopers outside the illegitimate secular court in America, they are being thrown to their deaths in the Middle East, and having their heads curbstomped in Holy Russia.

The thing is, we know that the organic state wins out in the end, however brutal it becomes. Western society is in its final stages, and when it finally implodes in a fiery mess, we will be waiting, lurching out of the flames like a dragon long thought slain. Though we are a relative few in number now, with every decision like this, you add to our ranks the disenchanted and the dispossessed. We were never instructed to defeat God's enemies with ballot boxes.

"Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession. 'You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware."

Psalm 2:8

Blogger Harsh June 26, 2015 8:06 PM  

Gay people, like straight people, are not doing anything wrong so long as they confine their sexual activity to adult, consenting partners.

And I defy anyone to make a rational argument to the contrary.


Homosexuality is dyscivic and dysgenic. The latter has science to back it up. You aren't against science, are you?

Anonymous JRL June 26, 2015 8:09 PM  

But no one here can name any specifically way that he or she will be physically, monetarily, or otherwise materially affected negatively by gay marriage.

Sam, is this is a moral principle for you? If something doesn't affect YOU in an immediate and materially negative way, you have no grounds to be against it?

Sam, tell me specifically how you, personally, would be materially affected negatively by homosexuals being stoned to death in Uganda?

Anonymous Reader June 26, 2015 8:17 PM  

I commiserate with you all. Hope this SSM lunacy will not happen in Australia. But that is wishful thinking. Judicial activism is starting to infest the judiciary here, too.

on #6 comments. Justice Roberts: "Celebration of SSM has nothing to do with the constitution."

Justice Scalia's dissent: “The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.”

Blogger bob k. mando June 26, 2015 8:19 PM  

further on the 'impermissible immorality' of bestiality, the atheist humanists have been arguing that sexual relations with animals IS moral.

for years. this is what you are taught with an Ivy League education. at a college that started as a seminary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer#Bestiality

and then, of course,we have the daughter of the ever uplifting PZ Myers:
http://www.conservapedia.com/PZ_Myers_on_bestiality#PZ_Myers.27_daughter_Skatje_Myers.27_comments_on_bestiality
"Sexual relationships between humans and animals come as such a shock to people, but it doesn’t to me. There can be very deep, meaningful relationships between humans and their pets...

That said, I remind you that my position isn’t based on my own personal wants. I just don’t see any reason to ban it other than the same reason things like homosexuality and sodomy were banned: it’s icky. I think it’s bad practice to put social taboos into legislature when no actual logical argument can be made against it"

Anonymous Beau June 26, 2015 8:20 PM  

וַיִּבְרָ֨א אֱלֹהִ֤ים׀ אֶת־הָֽאָדָם֙ בְּצַלְמ֔וֹ בְּצֶ֥לֶם אֱלֹהִ֖ים בָּרָ֣א אֹת֑וֹ זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם

In the image of God we were made long ago,
With the purpose divine here His glory to show.
But we failed Him one day, and like sheep went astray,
Thinking not of the cost, we His likeness had lost.
But from eternity God had in mind
The work of Calvary, The lost to find.
From His heaven so broad
Christ came down Earth to trod,
So that man might live again
In the image of God.

Now that I have believed and the Savior received,
Now that I from the cry of my guilt am relieved;
I will live for my Lord, not for gain or reward
But for love, thinking of what His grace has restored.
I’ll never comprehend
Redemption’s plan –
How Christ could condescend
To die for man.
Such a Savior I’ll praise to the end of my days,
As I upward, onward trod
In the image of God.


Male and female He created them.

Anonymous Reader June 26, 2015 8:26 PM  

Ickyness if part of the reason too.

I was ignorant and thought SS relationship was neat and easy but then I read a blog that mentioned that a janitor in a NY bathhouse said that feaces were all over the place in the bathhouse.

Blogger CM June 26, 2015 8:30 PM  

Male and female He created them.

And He saw that it was good.

Anonymous JRL June 26, 2015 9:20 PM  

List of hate facts:

1) The primary (not only) function of sex is to create the next generation of human beings.

2) Only one man and one woman having sex together can make babies.

3)Correlary hate facts: a) Baby making sex and (loving, mutually consenting and uplifting) anal sex are not the same thing. b)A woman having vag sex with a strap on cannot impregnate her female partner. (I know these are hurtful statements, but we must be brave).

4)Given the above, there is a difference between male/female pairings and homosexual pairings.

5)Every child that is born deserves to have a mommy and a daddy. I know...so much hate.

6)Two dads != a mommy and a daddy. Two moms != a mommy and a daddy.

So maybe we could find some way to set apart and elevate this relationship between a man and a woman...you know recognize its benefit to society. How can we do that?

Update: Ha ha, oh man I've been drinking too much! For a second all that hate speech sort of made sense to me. Hey why are you strapping that rat cage to my face? No, no! I serve equality too! Equality for all --- I fucking love equality !!ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Anonymous Sebastian Swofford June 26, 2015 9:52 PM  

Second best thing about today? Watching all of you bigots flail about and lose your tiny little minds. Some serious schadenfreude going on over here.

Blogger Harsh June 26, 2015 10:05 PM  

Second best thing about today? Watching all of you bigots flail about and lose your tiny little minds. Some serious schadenfreude going on over here.

Nah, we're just laughing at you SJWs and your midwit comments. It's true comedy. None of you could find a rational argument with a map and a team of indian trackers.

Blogger Harsh June 26, 2015 10:07 PM  

You either haven't listened or have failed to understand.

Tommy boy, for you to accuse anyone of not understanding all I can say is, pot meet kettle.

Anonymous JRL June 26, 2015 10:40 PM  

That's good Sebastian...gooooood...let the hate flow through you...feeeeel its power....

Every time you corrupt something "sacred" you will feel this surge of power Sebastian. You must make equality your life's mission...there can be no tolerance for inequality. Only equality is sacred! "Sacred" is only iron-age humanities' attempt to privilege some aspects of existence over other aspects. We demand equality, we must not rest until all things sacred have been torn down. Equality must be held above such primitive delusions. Only equality is worthy to be held up as the guiding light of humanity.

Blogger automatthew June 26, 2015 11:26 PM  

Joe Biden wins again:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/22/biden-jewish-leaders-helped-gay-marriage-succeed/

"I bet you 85 percent of those changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry."

Blogger Laramie Hirsch June 26, 2015 11:47 PM  

Level Jonah

I almost WANT the Church to be lost to most of the West. All of the buildings and art torn down and burnt. All of the churches converted into bars. Relics lost. Music forgotten. And role models and men of good standing--nowhere to be found. Pure chaos and no culture. No education. Just endless anarchy, sodomy, misery, and death. The libs will lie to themselves and tell themselves that they actually like such a condition of life. I almost WANT the fools of the future to look around, miserable in their chaos, and wonder "Gee, what happened?" And then, no one will be around to help them. This generation of people in the West deserves to be marched around in the desert for 40 years until it dies off.

My concern for the ongoing disintegration only lasts so long.

At this point, I feel like I'm Jonah waiting for Ninevah to be blown up.


http://www.thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2015/06/level-jonah.html

Blogger Laramie Hirsch June 26, 2015 11:49 PM  

Er, that is to say, I think that the Christians of the West had a duty to act as the white blood cells for our civilization, and failed. Hence, disappointment with the Church and the West.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 27, 2015 12:41 AM  

automatthew: "Joe Biden wins again..."

Joe told the truth.

Blogger automatthew June 27, 2015 12:56 AM  

It's in his nature.

Anonymous JI June 27, 2015 1:09 AM  

But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. 5 uAnd they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? vBring them out to us, that we wmay know them.” 6 Lot went out to the men at the entrance, shut the door after him, 7 and said, “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. 8 xBehold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please. Only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.” 9 But they said, “Stand back!” And they said, “This fellow ycame to sojourn, and zhe has become the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door down. 10 But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them and shut the door. 11 And they struck with ablindness the men who were at the entrance of the house, both small and great, so that they wore themselves out groping for the door.

Anonymous Beau June 27, 2015 2:04 AM  

God's timing is perfect. Tonight kicked off Gay Pride celebrations here in San Francisco. After opening the door to the street, I came inside and instructed my wife,"Give 'em heaven! Hold nothing back, say in detail what needs to be said. This crowd can handle it. Give 'em Romans 1:26-27. Give 'em heaven. I'll be praying while you're speaking." I went about praying loading up the van for outreach. Finishing, I sat outside with Gary, observing the end of the meeting. The first person leaving strode out apparently angry. Everyone else, far apart from the usual meeting conclusion, came out silently, slowly, some with lowered heads. Another woman rushed over, "I just took my sixty day chip, would you pray over it and me?" Gary summed it up, "They were solemn." Our third, Mike, said, "They were thinking."

We went about the outreach singing about the blood of Jesus. What a glorious day to be alive. Praise Jesus.

Anonymous Beau June 27, 2015 2:22 AM  

I think that the Christians of the West had a duty to act as the white blood cells for our civilization, and failed.

I urge everyone to read Charles Finney's Lectures on the Revivals of Religion, here an excerpt:

II. I AM TO SHOW WHAT A REVIVAL IS

It presupposes that the church is sunk down in a backslidden state, and a revival consists in the return of the church from her backslidings, and in the conversion of sinners.

1. A revival always includes conviction of sin on the part of the church. Backslidden professors cannot wake up and begin right away in the service of God, without deep searchings of heart. The fountains of sin need to be broken up. In a true revival, Christians are always brought under such convictions; they see their sins in such a light, that often they find it impossible to maintain a hope of their acceptance with God. It does not always go to that extent; but there are always, in a genuine revival, deep convictions of sin, and often cases of abandoning all hope.

2. Backslidden Christians will be brought to repentance. A revival is nothing else than a new beginning of obedience to God. Just as in the case of a converted sinner, the first step is a deep repentance, a breaking down of heart, a getting down into the dust before God, with deep humility, and forsaking of sin.

3. Christians will have their faith renewed. While they are in their backslidden state they are blind to the state of sinners. Their hearts are as hard as marble. The truths of the Bible only appear like a dream. They admit it to be all true; their conscience and their judgment assent to it; but their faith does not see it standing out in bold relief, in all the burning realities of eternity. But when they enter into a revival, they no longer see men as trees walking, but they see things in that strong light which will renew the love of God in their hearts. This will lead them to labor zealously to bring others to him. They will feel grieved that others do not love God, when they love him so much. And they will set themselves feelingly to persuade their neighbors to give him their hearts. So their love to men will be renewed. They will be filled with a tender and burning love for souls. They will have a longing desire for the salvation of the whole world. They will be in an agony for individuals whom they want to have saved; their friends, relations, enemies. They will not only be urging them to give their hearts to God, but they will carry them to God in the arms of faith, and with strong crying and tears beseech God to have mercy on them, and save their souls from endless burnings.

4. A revival breaks the power of the world and of sin over Christians. It brings them to such vantage ground that they get a fresh impulse towards heaven. They have a new fore-taste of heaven, and new desires after union to God; and the charm of the world is broken, and the power of sin overcome.

5. When the churches are thus awakened and reformed, the reformation and salvation of sinners will follow, going through the same stages of conviction, repentance, and reformation. Their hearts will be broken down and changed. Very often the most abandoned profligates are among the subjects. Harlots, and drunkards, and infidels, and all sorts of abandoned characters, are awakened and converted. The worst part of human society are softened, and reclaimed, and made to appear as lovely specimens of the beauty of holiness.


Finney, C. G. (1835). Lectures on revivals of religion (pp. 14–15). New York: Leavitt, Lord & Co.


Revive your work in the midst of the years, O Lord.

Blogger Groot June 27, 2015 3:25 AM  

"215. Jourdan June 26, 2015 12:33 PM
I'm sure this S Ct action will end the debate about gay marriage just as their earlier decision on abortion solved that problem for all time."

This, more than anything. This decision will unite an opposition for decades. What great fun this culture war! The lamentations of... their husbands? Bwahaha!!

Once they're out of the closet, just statistically speaking, their fertility falls off a cliff (I would google this, and have before, but I gotta go pork the wife). Soon, their numbers decrease, they go extinct, there are no more. It's a self-solving problem. You want fewer homosexuals? Let them live the gay life.

Don't worry, though, this is a one-way pendulum. Bathe in my tears of laughter.

Anonymous Beau June 27, 2015 3:26 AM  

I think that the Christians of the West had a duty to act as the white blood cells for our civilization, and failed.

I strongly urge everyone to read Charles Finney's Lectures on Revivals of Religion, here an excerpt:



II. I AM TO SHOW WHAT A REVIVAL IS

It presupposes that the church is sunk down in a backslidden state, and a revival consists in the return of the church from her backslidings, and in the conversion of sinners.

1. A revival always includes conviction of sin on the part of the church. Backslidden professors cannot wake up and begin right away in the service of God, without deep searchings of heart. The fountains of sin need to be broken up. In a true revival, Christians are always brought under such convictions; they see their sins in such a light, that often they find it impossible to maintain a hope of their acceptance with God. It does not always go to that extent; but there are always, in a genuine revival, deep convictions of sin, and often cases of abandoning all hope.

2. Backslidden Christians will be brought to repentance. A revival is nothing else than a new beginning of obedience to God. Just as in the case of a converted sinner, the first step is a deep repentance, a breaking down of heart, a getting down into the dust before God, with deep humility, and forsaking of sin.

3. Christians will have their faith renewed. While they are in their backslidden state they are blind to the state of sinners. Their hearts are as hard as marble. The truths of the Bible only appear like a dream. They admit it to be all true; their conscience and their judgment assent to it; but their faith does not see it standing out in bold relief, in all the burning realities of eternity. But when they enter into a revival, they no longer see men as trees walking, but they see things in that strong light which will renew the love of God in their hearts. This will lead them to labor zealously to bring others to him. They will feel grieved that others do not love God, when they love him so much. And they will set themselves feelingly to persuade their neighbors to give him their hearts. So their love to men will be renewed. They will be filled with a tender and burning love for souls. They will have a longing desire for the salvation of the whole world. They will be in an agony for individuals whom they want to have saved; their friends, relations, enemies. They will not only be urging them to give their hearts to God, but they will carry them to God in the arms of faith, and with strong crying and tears beseech God to have mercy on them, and save their souls from endless burnings.

4. A revival breaks the power of the world and of sin over Christians. It brings them to such vantage ground that they get a fresh impulse towards heaven. They have a new fore-taste of heaven, and new desires after union to God; and the charm of the world is broken, and the power of sin overcome.

5. When the churches are thus awakened and reformed, the reformation and salvation of sinners will follow, going through the same stages of conviction, repentance, and reformation. Their hearts will be broken down and changed. Very often the most abandoned profligates are among the subjects. Harlots, and drunkards, and infidels, and all sorts of abandoned characters, are awakened and converted. The worst part of human society are softened, and reclaimed, and made to appear as lovely specimens of the beauty of holiness.


Finney, C. G. (1835). Lectures on revivals of religion (pp. 14–15). New York: Leavitt, Lord & Co.


Revive your work in the midst of the years, O Lord.

Anonymous Beau June 27, 2015 3:29 AM  

btw - n.b. Vile Faceless Moderator - my post above quoting Finney was published and posted. It was up for about an hour, then disappeared. I re-posted it.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 27, 2015 4:30 AM  

America died in 1999 or 1998 now its just a stateside disaster.

Anonymous Beau June 27, 2015 11:10 AM  

God's timing is impeccable. Last night kicked off the Gay Pride celebrations here in San Francisco. After opening the door to the street, I instructed my wife, "Give 'em heaven! Hold nothing back, be as detailed as you need. This crowd can handle it. Give them Romans 1:26-27. Give 'em heaven. I'll be praying for you as speak," so I went praying while prepping for the outreach.

At the meeting's conclusion Gary & I sat and observed. The first person leaving strode out apparently angry. The rest came out far different than the usual meeting conclusion. They came silently, slowly, some with heads bowed. Gary summed it up, "They were solemn." Mike, our third outreach team member (who attended the meeting) said, "They were thinking."

What a glorious day to be alive. Praise you Lord Jesus Christ.

Anonymous Tom Joad June 27, 2015 12:46 PM  

Once they're out of the closet, just statistically speaking, their fertility falls off a cliff (I would google this, and have before, but I gotta go pork the wife). Soon, their numbers decrease, they go extinct, there are no more. It's a self-solving problem. You want fewer homosexuals? Let them live the gay life.

Wow. Are you actually that stupid, or was that supposed to be parodying? Do you really believe gays and lesbians are only born to gays and lesbians?

Such hilarity.

Blogger Groot June 27, 2015 1:11 PM  

I believe the slogan is: "Born that way." If you believe there's a genetic component, the consequences are inevitable, and we should feel them very quickly. Dog breeders are always surprised at how quickly their efforts pay off. If that dog won't hunt, that dog won't breed, either. Most hunting dogs are enthusiastic hunters -- in their bones, so to speak.

And no, just to address your straw man, I am familiar with how genes work. I should append the ritual mock "Wow, are actually that stoopid" verbiage, but it's tiresome.

Blogger automatthew June 27, 2015 3:04 PM  

Beau, Blogspot has suddenly started putting your comments in spam. No idea why. I unspam them as soon as I see them.

Anonymous T June 27, 2015 5:05 PM  

I believe the slogan is: "Born that way." If you believe there's a genetic component, the consequences are inevitable, and we should feel them very quickly. Dog breeders are always surprised at how quickly their efforts pay off. If that dog won't hunt, that dog won't breed, either. Most hunting dogs are enthusiastic hunters -- in their bones, so to speak.

Ding ding. I'm gay, but in a different world, a different culture with feminine women who cooked and honored their husband and not this infested SJW-shitnest with no fault divorce ready to stab you in the back the moment your good wife innocently starts reading some femblogs, I probably would have started a family, because even being gay, sex really doesn't happen that often for any morally living person, and children are a blessing from God.

In the current climate? Nope. There's no incentive, and a million ways to get screwed. If I were to even have a child, I'd have little right to it. No incentive.

Groot hits the nail on the head. And since I'm gay, I automatically have more clout on this issue than Tom Joad, as a protected minority.

Anonymous Beau June 27, 2015 8:41 PM  

Blogspot has suddenly started putting your comments in spam.

I get Spam-a-lot!

Thanks for the info.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 27, 2015 10:20 PM  

Brau. Same thing in Houston.

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