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Saturday, June 20, 2015

Mr. Feder fans the flames

Now Tor Books editor Moshe Feder calls Tor's unhappy customers "idiots":
As you may have heard, certain scoundrels have declared a boycott of Tor, starting today, to protest the efforts of some Tor employees to defend the Hugo Awards from attack. In response, some of our friends have declared today "Buy A Tor Book Day."

I wouldn't have the temerity to ask you to buy a book just because some idiots have declared war on us. But if there _is_ a Tor Book you've been meaning to get anyway, buying it today would be a a gesture I'd appreciate.

[As always here on Facebook, I'm speaking for myself and not the company.]
It's got to be nice for Tor Books to know they've got so many imaginary friends defending them. As we have been repeatedly and reliably informed:

Since the Puppy boycott of Tor Books is on I just bought three ebooks from Tor and preordered two more.

And if Mr. Feder is only speaking for himself, who is this "us" to whom he refers? Whose friends are they? But it is nice of him to dial down the rhetoric from "racist neo-nazis" to mere "idiots" and "scoundrels".

Meanwhile, Peter Grant points out that Feder is lying. Personally, I find Feder's explanation of the boycott to be fascinating, as apparently Irene Gallo was merely defending the Hugo Awards from attack when she described Tor-published books as "bad-to-reprehensible", attacked Tor's customers as "racist" and "misogynistic" and "neo-nazi". That's an interesting priority. I was not hitherto aware that "defending the Hugo Awards" was a professional responsibility for employees at Tor Books.

It's worth pointing out that we are not at war with Tor Books. We are merely asking Macmillan to save Tor Books from the observably self-destructive and unprofessional leadership of three of its senior employees, who have abused Tor's authors and attacked Tor's customers.

The Internet never forgets.

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182 Comments:

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 12:13 PM  

to protest the efforts of some Tor employees to defend the Hugo Awards from attack.

And, once again, our host's First Law is proven. I urge anyone on the fence to read that again and determine for yourself if it is the truth or a lie and draw the necessary conclusion from that judgment.

Anonymous aviendha June 20, 2015 12:15 PM  

When you see a fool pick up a noose, string it up on a tree, stand on a wobbly stool, tie it around their neck, tighten it, and then start dancing...

Continue by all means Mr. Feder. Show us who you really are.

Anonymous The bot formerly known as FP June 20, 2015 12:16 PM  

"to mere "idiots" and "scoundrels"."

I prefer to be called a dirty rotten scoundrel.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 20, 2015 12:16 PM  

she described Tor-published books as "bad-to-reprehensible"

That being the soft underbelly of this boycott.

OpenID mickoneverything June 20, 2015 12:19 PM  

It really is amazing to me that they can never admit to anything, ever, that they might have done to cause this reaction.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 20, 2015 12:20 PM  

I am not yet at war with Tor books.

But at some point they will reveal themselves as being on one side or the other, and then we will see.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 June 20, 2015 12:22 PM  

We aren't at war with them! We are trying to save their company from people THAT THEY MISTAKENLY HIRED. People WHO WORK FOR TOR BOOKS, BUT DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT TOR BOOKS. They would kill their own company rather then extend the hand of friendship. That is who they are, down to the core of their twisted souls. Macmillan needs to cut them loose, all of them, today.

Anonymous Nathan June 20, 2015 12:23 PM  

The "we are not in competition" comment was interesting. Should be interesting to see if the "I'm not speaking for my company" boilerplate will be seen as a social media ethics violation. Because that post, if I wrote it, would still get me fired.

Blogger Jim June 20, 2015 12:23 PM  

Scoundrels shoot first and make the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 12:25 PM  

Wait, isn't a parsec a measure of distance and not time?
/blue harvest

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 20, 2015 12:26 PM  

This isn't merely lying; it isn't merely doubling down. It much worse that that: this is incompetence.
Idiot thanks you for the ammo, Moshe.

Blogger Jim June 20, 2015 12:27 PM  

Er... Black Holes! The Maw! Nav-computers!

::phew:: Saved it.

Blogger Salt June 20, 2015 12:32 PM  

to protest the efforts of some Tor employees to defend the Hugo Awards from attack

Yeah, TOR people calling TOR authors' works "bad to reprehensible", some defense of the Hugos, that, given one TOR author has been nominated for five of them. Who is the idiot, Mr. Feder? Come on, it's not a hard question.

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 12:35 PM  

He speaks only for himself when he notes that " We don't compete with our bookseller partners by selling to consumers on our own website."

As I noted in an earlier thread, that must be Moshe using the imperial 'we'. "We' and 'our': that's clearly just him speaking for himself, personally, as an individual.

Anonymous The other robot June 20, 2015 12:36 PM  

Well, since Tor seems to consider the Hugos their personal possession ...

Anonymous ticticboom June 20, 2015 12:37 PM  

@Jim:

Yeah, shame I forget which author who passed physics salvaged that bit as well as anyone could. He deserves recognition.

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 12:42 PM  

Now Tor Books editor Moshe Feder calls Tor's unhappy customers "idiots"

"...certain scoundrels have declared a boycott of Tor ..[...] ... to buy a book just because some idiots have declared war on us."

To be fair, he appears to just be calling you and that other guy idiots, all of "Tor's unhappy customers"

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 12:44 PM  

Grrr, that should read "not all of "Tor's unhappy customers"

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 12:54 PM  

To be fair, he appears to just be calling you and that other guy idiots, all of "Tor's unhappy customers"

Grrr, that should read "not all of "Tor's unhappy customers"


I see a man made of straw.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 20, 2015 12:57 PM  

Would that be the controversial and troubled Moshe Federer we're talking about?

Blogger Edd Jobs June 20, 2015 1:06 PM  

They need to escalate. For example: Since the Puppy boycott of Tor Books is on I just bought thirty ebooks from Tor and preordered twenty more.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 1:08 PM  

Well, I guess with his "our" we now know it's fair to demand his termination from Tor as well.

Blogger Dexter June 20, 2015 1:12 PM  

Oh yeah? Well, I just bought 300 books from Castalia House, so there!

Blogger Cail Corishev June 20, 2015 1:17 PM  

As I noted in an earlier thread, that must be Moshe using the imperial 'we'.

Or he has a mouse in his pocket.

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 1:20 PM  

Scintan, how is it a straw man to point out that Vox is misreading Feder.

"certain scoundrels have declared a boycott of Tor" would be referring to Vox and the other guy. "Tor's unhappy customers" in total are not being referred to as idiots or scoundrels.

Vox will often misread for advantage, but this is just incorrect.
As you may have heard,

Blogger Cail Corishev June 20, 2015 1:23 PM  

To be fair

Why would you want to do that?

"To be fair" ought to be on some kind of list. Not the list of Gamma Tells; maybe the list of "Phrases that warn you someone's about to try to pull something on you." Or, "Phrases used to introduce facts which are true but irrelevant." Still not pithy enough. I'll work on it.

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 1:27 PM  

Scintan, how is it a straw man to point out that Vox is misreading Feder.

"certain scoundrels have declared a boycott of Tor" would be referring to Vox and the other guy. "Tor's unhappy customers" in total are not being referred to as idiots or scoundrels.

Vox will often misread for advantage, but this is just incorrect.
As you may have heard,


Where did Vox claim that it was all unhappy TOR customers?

He didn't. Therefore, you set up a pretty obvious and textbook strawman argument, by claiming Vox has said something he didn't (that would be known as lying, in some quarters). Now you're doubling down on it, because.....

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 1:33 PM  

Cail, or you could just keep reading.

Scintan; so you think when Vox said "Tor's unhappy customers" he was referring to only him and the Peter guy?

I suppose it's possible. Are you an unhappy customer of Tor and do you think Feder was referring to you?

"now you're doubling down on it" Drink!

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) June 20, 2015 1:33 PM  

"Scoundrels" "defend the Hugo awards from attack"

LOL!!!! Good lord, Moshe and his buds are the gift of neverending comedy.

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 1:37 PM  

Scintan; so you think when Vox said "Tor's unhappy customers" he was referring to only him and the Peter guy?

What I may think he was referring to, and what you actually wrote, are two different issues. "Tor's unhappy customers" could range from 2 people to 2 million, and could, obviously, include just Vox and Peter. Therefore, you lied, and you did it in order to try fighting a straw man of your own creation. Now you're doubling down, because that's what your kind does.

Anonymous The other robot June 20, 2015 1:39 PM  

They need to escalate. For example: Since the Puppy boycott of Tor Books is on I just bought thirty ebooks from Tor and preordered twenty more.

You cheapskate. I just bought 500 ebooks from Tor and preordered one thousand more!

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 1:39 PM  

Therefore, you lied

OK girl. What is with you people and the use of "lie" in place of "possibly misunderstood". I noticed that what Peter did as well.

"Now you're doubling down" Drink!

Anonymous Harsh June 20, 2015 1:45 PM  

And while Moshe and the other SJW morons pretend to buy Tor books, I just bought two for real from Castalia -- There Will Be War Volume I and II.

Keep doubling down, losers. I have lots of disposable income.

Blogger Lanrick June 20, 2015 1:46 PM  

SJWs truly are idiots. This is not war. War is Sherman's March. Right now this is just at the level of a skirmish.

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 1:46 PM  

OK girl. What is with you people and the use of "lie" in place of "possibly misunderstood". I noticed that what Peter did as well.


Had you stopped after your first post, when I noticed (correctly, as it turned out) the creation of a straw man, you could argue that you merely misunderstood as opposed to you lying. Once you went on from there, that opportunity was lost by you.

Also, you don't seem to know what doubling down means, so you may with to consult a dictionary.

Blogger Jim June 20, 2015 1:52 PM  

You cheapskate. I just bought 500 ebooks from Tor and preordered one thousand more!

Hopefully, in the spirit of being a neo-Nazi, you will burn those ebooks. Perhaps onto a CD.

Blogger Doom June 20, 2015 1:55 PM  

I expect, in the short term, Tor books to sell hotly. Big money can move a small amount of it to buy them, and either warehouse or hand them out for other reasons. Long term doesn't look so cheery. Big money has other hot-spots on which to pour their dollars. That is, if the big corrupting money sees the fight as worth paper over, for a bit. Doesn't matter to me, one way or the other. Tor is done until or unless it fixes it's public face.

Anonymous The other robot June 20, 2015 2:04 PM  

The horror of realizing I'm an SJW or not.

He could commit suicide if he feels so bad about it.

Blogger Bro. Longtail June 20, 2015 2:05 PM  

Vox, this latest post was perfectly articulated. From my point of view as a lawyer, I cannot see how any person, who is honestly coming to this issue and trying to make an objective assessment of it, can conclude other than that we have the facts and the moral high ground on our side.

Well played, sir. Beautifully articulated. If you were a swordsman, I would categorise you as a Spanish master, whose weapon is the stiletto. I love the Conan the Barbarian broadsword approach to fighting, personally, but you've proved the effectiveness of surgical lunges with pinpoint accuracy.

Blogger James Dixon June 20, 2015 2:12 PM  

> OK girl. What is with you people and the use of "lie" in place of "possibly misunderstood". I noticed that what Peter did as well.

Because we've seen this type of argument too many times in the past to believe you.

Anonymous KC9ZNR June 20, 2015 2:12 PM  

They need to escalate. For example: Since the Puppy boycott of Tor Books is on I just bought thirty ebooks from Tor and preordered twenty more.

How about: "I just bought a lifetime membership to Tor Books and I support all their books forever!" Because a lifetime membership can never be revoked... er...

Anonymous Boogeyman (VFM #240) June 20, 2015 2:16 PM  

Good gravy boats. Every time one of these Tor employees makes a post, it's like the human equivalent of seeing a dog go back to its own vomit. You can't help but say "What the hell are you thinking."

Anonymous Shutup, Tad June 20, 2015 2:17 PM  

SJWs don't know when to shut up.

I am hoping for another outburst from the Teratoid of Tor soon.

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 2:21 PM  

Because we've seen this type of argument too many times in the past to believe you.

I found the ad hom 'girl' shot to be unimpressive, particularly given that he was in the process of retreating by changing from his earlier attack mode to the claim of there possibly just being a misunderstanding.

I do, however, wonder if his SJW friends would be amused by his framing "girl" as an insult.

OpenID vfm369 June 20, 2015 2:32 PM  

I'm bummed. Thanks to Larry Correia, I found John C. Wright. Thanks to the Puppies, I found Kevin J. Anderson. Now I am going to have to get my fix waaaaaaaiting for the library or used book stores. I'm partway through The Dark Between the Stars! (I was also excited to see PN Elrod writing again.). Sigh. At least Anderson has a huge backlog of work already out there.
Maybe I will get a Kindle so I can check out Wrights eBooks.
Of course this is not a criticism of Our Most Cruel and Malevolent Master.
I am a minion. Vilely, facelessly reading Dark Between the Stars more slowly.
Maybe the horse will learn to sing.

Blogger maniacprovost June 20, 2015 2:37 PM  

you could argue that you merely misunderstood as opposed to you lying.

Scorcha defends quality of Bookseller; cites own poor reading comprehension. Details at 5.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 20, 2015 2:41 PM  

I'm informally boycotting Tor now as well. Its mostly informal for me as I haven't been buying much from them of late and I'll state up front that it won't matter much to their bottom line.

What happened is Tor has made this a moral issue,libel people I consider decent and moral and there has to be at least some consequences. So I do what I can.

Also what Tor management has to understand is that the Puppies and friends like myself involved in this boycott are at heart friends of Tor, not enemies.

I can't speak for anyone but myself but I want to buy good books from good publishers. Allowing the kind of ideologies running the place now to continue will run Tor into the ground and that is bad for everyone.

Also the libelous folks that started this mess also need to understand the SJW warren can only protect them for a little while.

The rest of us are patient and cruel and can wait till the Tor sun gutters out if we have to. I don't think probably imaginary buying surges can make up for the long term possibly permanent loss of business.

However we shall see and I suspect a few weeks or months will show how the tide turns.

Also as an aside, if we have favorite authors, especially ilk who are with Tor, if possible maybe we can find another way to help them out. Either buy something from another publisher or direct or whatever, I hate for them to end up accidental casualties of a war they want nothing of . As they say, friendly fire isn't.

Blogger Quizzer W June 20, 2015 2:43 PM  

This may or may not be of interest but they get a bunch of details wrong. For example, Sad Puppies and GamerGate gets most of the credit and Rabid Puppies and the Ilk pretty much get none.

http://www.starburstmagazine.com/book-news/12304-book-boycott-backfires

Blogger bob k. mando June 20, 2015 2:50 PM  

25. Scorcha June 20, 2015 1:20 PM
Vox will often misread for advantage, but this is just incorrect.
As you may have heard,



Larry and Vox were asking for restraint when many VFM and Ilk were demanding boycott.

it is YOUR willful attempt to misread this statement as only applying to two people which is an intentional lie.




32. Scorcha June 20, 2015 1:39 PM
OK girl. What is with you people and the use of "lie" in place of "possibly misunderstood".



because no reasonable person would have read the statement that way.

it's in the same class as Moshe's current assertion that Gallo was just trying to defend the Hugos.

he doesn't really believe that.

what he does believe is that if he casts aspersion 'X', he will get reaction 'Y' from the hivemind.

and this is his goal.

one nice thing about dealing with low cunning people on the left side of the bell curve is that they use the same tactics as the low cunning people on the right side of the curve.

and once you are habituated to identifying how the stupids are trying to fuck you over, it gets a lot easier figuring out what the smart ones are up too.

Anonymous Ridip June 20, 2015 2:53 PM  

@24. Cail

Is Feder's mouse named Boo?

Anonymous FED up June 20, 2015 2:56 PM  

"It's got to be nice for Tor Books to know they've got so many imaginary friends defending them. As we have been repeatedly and reliably informed:"

All you have to do is a simple web search and you'll find numerous people stating their support for both Gallo and Tor. It's not hard, unless you choose to look away.

"And if Mr. Feder is only speaking for himself, who is this "us" to whom he refers?"

That would be Tor. Were you born obtuse or is it a specially cultivated disability?

"Meanwhile, Peter Grant points out that Feder is lying. Personally, I find Feder's explanation of the boycott to be fascinating, as apparently Irene Gallo was merely defending the Hugo Awards from attack when she described Tor-published books as "bad-to-reprehensible", attacked Tor's customers as "racist" and "misogynistic" and "neo-nazi"."

Wow...talk about "always lying".
It was you she was talking about when she said "neo nazi", racist and misogynistic. As well as your supporters. What I've learned is that when someone claims So-and-so always lies....They have great experiences with cultivating lies.

"
It's worth pointing out that we are not at war with Tor Books. We are merely asking Macmillan to save Tor Books from the observably self-destructive and unprofessional leadership of three of its senior employees, who have abused Tor's authors and attacked Tor's customers. "

Said the competitor to Tor who knows they can't compete in talent and business sense and who supports the boycott of a competitor, only after desperately trying to steal Hugo's to make a bit more money for himself.

Vox Day always lies!

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 2:57 PM  

Scintin; "Also, you don't seem to know what doubling down means, so you may with to consult a dictionary."

Look Chicky; You seem to think "not being convinced by Scintin's amazingly inept argument" is doubling down. That's fine, Vox did a post on doubling down, and you like showing off. Good on you.

I will await our host to clarify, and until then I will maintain that my reading is valid.

Blogger Quizzer W June 20, 2015 2:59 PM  

I pointed this out on another website but even if you don't regularly buy Tor books you can still support the boycott by telling people who do or linking to relevant posts (many of the here) on other places.

This comment isn't directed at the regular readers here, you all know this, but I suspect many curious onlookers may check out the comments.

Anonymous FED up June 20, 2015 3:03 PM  

"Where did Vox claim that it was all unhappy TOR customers?"

Where did Gallo claim it was all TOR authors and customers..

Drink!!

Anonymous Nathan June 20, 2015 3:05 PM  

"And if Mr. Feder is only speaking for himself, who is this "us" to whom he refers?"

"That would be Tor. Were you born obtuse or is it a specially cultivated disability?"

Then Feder is a liar and in violation of Macmillian social media policies and professional standards of conduct, by your own admission.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 20, 2015 3:19 PM  

Cail, or you could just keep reading.

I could, but there are only so many hours in the day, and far more quality stuff being written than I could ever read, so the less time spent sorting through chaff the better. Whenever someone starts a comment with a phrase that tells me with a fair degree of certainty that everything which follows is nonsense, it's much appreciated.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 3:24 PM  

Yeah, Vox is just a lying machine. Remember when he first advanced the idea that the Sci-fi/Fantasy publishing world had turned into a fiefdom of like-minded left-wingers more interested in posturing and ensuring party line political discipline over advancing quality science fiction?

Anyway, please: keep on talking. As the Clash said long ago: give em enough rope.

Anonymous FED up June 20, 2015 3:30 PM  

"Sci-fi/Fantasy publishing world had turned into a fiefdom of like-minded left-wingers more interested in posturing and ensuring party line political discipline over advancing quality science fiction?"

I don't...But I guess there had to be a first time when he was wrong about this.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 3:32 PM  

I hope for your sake you're a woman. I woman I could see emoting all over a thread and confusing lame-ass snarkism with wit and intelligence. If you're a man...wowjustwowthat'snotokaywhattheactualfuck.

Blogger Groot June 20, 2015 3:33 PM  

Every 1 hour 1 minute, I buy an infinite number of all TOR books, and I will continue to do so for infinity. "Honest."

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 20, 2015 3:40 PM  


"And if Mr. Feder is only speaking for himself, who is this "us" to whom he refers?" -VD

51. FED up "That would be Tor. Were you born obtuse or is it a specially cultivated disability?"

55. Nathan Then Feder is a liar and in violation of Macmillian social media policies and professional standards of conduct, by your own admission.


Bah. One key weakness of the SJW, FED up, is their inability to follow a chain of logic that involves more than one link. This make them so easy to trap.
FED up, how do you get this way? Was it years of indoctrination in a government school? Too much TV? Force-fed untested psychotropics as a child? Fluoride in the water? Why is it more important to you to attack than to understand?

Anonymous Godfrey June 20, 2015 3:43 PM  

Defending the Hugo Awards? That's a laugh. She's one of the dogmatic Grand Inquisitors of the PC Inquisition.

Anonymous Your Superior June 20, 2015 3:44 PM  

"Bah. One key weakness of the SJW, FED up, is their inability to follow a chain of logic that involves more than one link. This make them so easy to trap. "

You keep losing! Why do you bank your head against the wall. You can't beat those who demand social justice. You simply don't have a sizable team or the wit. Plus, your type mainly died out decades ago.

And now you place your hope on a scrawny, runaway with a tendency to emote and be a crybaby.

We win this battle every time.

Anonymous Your Superior June 20, 2015 3:46 PM  

"Defending the Hugo Awards?"

Yes. From the crybabies, losers and has-beens.

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 3:49 PM  

Look Chicky; You seem to think "not being convinced by Scintin's amazingly inept argument" is doubling down. That's fine, Vox did a post on doubling down, and you like showing off. Good on you.


My argument got you to try a fighting retreat, so it couldn't have been all that bad. It's ok, though. You've already been exposed as a liar. My job is done.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 20, 2015 3:51 PM  

What is with you people and the use of "lie" in place of "possibly misunderstood".

We've been learning not to put niceness ahead of good judgment and let it be used against us. I used to do that: "Well, I'm 99% sure he's being dishonest, but there's that 1% chance that he's just ignorant, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt." Not anymore. If you lie, you get called a liar. If we judge wrongly and you were just ignorant, then you'll prove us wrong soon enough. Since we were right, you confirmed our judgment in a hurry, which only improves our ability to quickly spot the next lie. Well done.

Blogger Ursus Maritimus Australialis #255 June 20, 2015 3:52 PM  

63. Your Superior June 20, 2015 3:44 PM

You can't beat those who demand social justice.


Keep telling yourself that.

(Also keep telling people that you are their superior. Totally makes them believe it. Yep.)

Anonymous Rolf June 20, 2015 3:55 PM  

There is an obvious corollary to "SJWs always lie." They lie to themselves constantly, too. That's why it's so hard to argue with them, or settle on objective facts about anything. Everything they think gets munged through the lie-manufacturing sub-processor in their brains first.

Blogger kh123 June 20, 2015 3:56 PM  

"As I noted in an earlier thread, that must be Moshe using the imperial 'we'.

"Or he has a mouse in his pocket."


He's just so happy to see us all.

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) June 20, 2015 3:56 PM  

"FED Up" "Your Superior".... LOL, you tools crack me up.

"Crybabies, losers and has-beens"? ROFL, you guys never cease to make me laugh with your endless projection.

Blogger kh123 June 20, 2015 3:57 PM  

...Seems more than Moshe's happy to see us.

The social art of tucking-in needs to be reintroduced.

Anonymous dantealiegri June 20, 2015 3:57 PM  

At least now we get treated to the full psychosis.

You are correct that you have won quite a bit. The assumption that it will always be such brings much richness in laughs.

Blogger JartStar June 20, 2015 3:59 PM  

I can't imagine calling customers idiots even if they boycott my company. If I did, even if I claimed to only be speaking for myself I wouldn't expect to keep my job.

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) June 20, 2015 3:59 PM  

"Let's see if the blog owner or his ugly wife deletes my words."

Aw, now you're trying to make us think you're Marston. That's so adorable!

Blogger VD June 20, 2015 4:00 PM  

Scintan, how is it a straw man to point out that Vox is misreading Feder.

Because I am not.

"certain scoundrels have declared a boycott of Tor" would be referring to Vox and the other guy. "Tor's unhappy customers" in total are not being referred to as idiots or scoundrels.

No. Hundreds of people have declared a boycott of Tor, many even before I did. Feder is referring to all of those people as scoundrels and idiots, not merely Peter Grant and me. Moreover, he is lying, because no one is criticizing anyone at Tor for "defending the Hugo Awards".

Blogger Groot June 20, 2015 4:01 PM  

BWAHAHA!! They want to be called the Happy Kittens, in contrast to the Sad Puppies. They call us dicks, and they want to be... pussy cats. This won't end up where they thought it would.

Blogger Groot June 20, 2015 4:01 PM  

Oh, yeah:

https://sfkittens.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/answering-peter-grant/

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 20, 2015 4:03 PM  

63. Your Superior

You keep losing! Why do you bank your head against the wall. You can't beat those who demand social justice. You simply don't have a sizable team or the wit. Plus, your type mainly died out decades ago.

And now you place your hope on a scrawny, runaway with a tendency to emote and be a crybaby.

We win this battle every time.
---------

Like you won Protein World and Chick-Fil-A and rapegate^n and on and on. And all the gamers died just last year.
I'll let someone else fisk all the other lies and delusions packed into the above. From just your few words:

Are you the self-described "Social Justice Stromtrooper" Arthur Chu?

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 4:09 PM  

Another thing that struck me about this: who says "scoundrels" in this day and age? It has a whiff of the old People's Daily about it; one half-expects it to be followed up with "Trotskyite wreckers".

The only people I know who talk this way and think it's clever are very old East Coast Jewish folks and...
...and I just answered my own question.

Blogger Ragin' Dave June 20, 2015 4:12 PM  

My god these people are delusional. That "Happy Kittens" post re-affirms SJW Rule 1 - SJWs always lie.

Blogger Ursus Maritimus Australialis #255 June 20, 2015 4:15 PM  

It occurs to me that SJWs seem to believe they have magic armor.

Anyone remember what Terry Pratchett said about magic armor? Something like the last words of people who wore it being "You can't kill me because I've got magic aaaaargh."

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 4:26 PM  

VD "No. Hundreds of people have declared a boycott of Tor,"

OK. I take Feder to be saying those leaders voicing the call for the boycott, not those "declaring" they will participate. Your mileage may vary. Continue to misunderstand for advantage. It's your thing after all.

Anonymous Stingray June 20, 2015 4:28 PM  

This won't end up where they thought it would.

Vox Popoli ~ The only blog that gets me laughing so hard I have tears streaming from my eyes.

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 4:30 PM  

who says "scoundrels" in this day and age?

Agreed. It's like someone who (over) uses "fulsome" and the pomposity makes me think of Peter Griffin's critique of the God Father. It insists upon itself.

Blogger Blume June 20, 2015 4:30 PM  

Look, I will clarify just like the guy before me. Numerous ilk including me have been calling for a boycott since this began. We then are the scoundrels no matter how you read it and that is more than 2.

Blogger Ursus Maritimus Australialis #255 June 20, 2015 4:31 PM  

82. Scorcha June 20, 2015 4:26 PM

VD "No. Hundreds of people have declared a boycott of Tor,"

OK. I take Feder to be saying those leaders voicing the call for the boycott, not those "declaring" they will participate. Your mileage may vary. Continue to misunderstand for advantage. It's your thing after all.


Anyone seen my projector? I can't seem to find it.

Anonymous Menelaus June 20, 2015 4:31 PM  

VD is only counting coup at this point - wait till the scalping begins.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 4:37 PM  

You forgot to add the sarcastic *slow cap* and to say "lol" a few times. Come on, you're not even trying. It's one thing to fail at being boringly snarky; it's quite another to just mail it in.

Anonymous Scruntledly June 20, 2015 4:39 PM  

"No. Hundreds of people have declared a boycott of Tor, many even before I did."

More proof that Vox Day Always Lies.

Blogger Quizzer W June 20, 2015 4:43 PM  

Can we call them Gay Kittens? Is that close enough?

Blogger Blume June 20, 2015 4:44 PM  

Nope. Like I said up thread. I have been calling for a boycott for months now.

Anonymous IGIR June 20, 2015 4:46 PM  

"Like I said up thread. I have been calling for a boycott for months now."

How is it possible that TOR survived your calls??

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 4:46 PM  

"No. Hundreds of people have declared a boycott of Tor, many even before I did."

More proof that Vox Day Always Lies.


Actually, there were people on this blog clearly declaring a boycott before Vox called for one. So, instead of "more proof that Vox Day always lies", we've actually got proof that he isn't lying,

Blogger Blume June 20, 2015 4:49 PM  

You obviously think this is some kind of insult but I am just one poor man. I don't expect to change the world but I don't see any point in giving my enemies money.

Anonymous Scruntledly June 20, 2015 4:52 PM  

Actually, there were people on this blog clearly declaring a boycott before Vox called for one. So, instead of "more proof that Vox Day always lies", we've actually got proof that he isn't lying,"

Where's the proof. Show me the Hundreds.

You and Vox day just can't help yourself. It it a matter of enjoying lying or are just like the emotionally little boy who won't stop?

Anonymous Scruntledly June 20, 2015 4:54 PM  

"You obviously think this is some kind of insult but I am just one poor man. I don't expect to change the world but I don't see any point in giving my enemies money."

Enemies? You're funny. Yes, carry on, sir!!

Hey, I know. Why not call to take the vote away from women. That's what Vox Day would do. Why not declare black folks savages. That's what Vox Day would do. Why not support a Nazi-inspired plan to round up people and save America for white folk. That's what Vox Day would do.

Yes...Carry on, Sir.

Blogger VD June 20, 2015 4:54 PM  

More proof that Vox Day Always Lies.

Nope. Just proof that you are considerably less well-informed than I am.

Where's the proof. Show me the Hundreds.

No. You're irrelevant.

Blogger Ursus Maritimus Australialis #255 June 20, 2015 4:59 PM  

Eh, true enough, Jourdan.

I must say, it's good to be held to a higher standard. Can't sharpen the knife without a good sharpening stone, right?

Blogger Groot June 20, 2015 5:01 PM  

See, now Scruntledly is messing up the Happy Pussies thing. He doesn't seem Happy at all.

Anonymous Scruntledly June 20, 2015 5:09 PM  

"No. You're irrelevant."

I say there are "hundreds".....but I can't name them, says Vox Day.

Vox Day always lies....or runs away.

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) June 20, 2015 5:14 PM  

"I say there are "hundreds".....but I can't name them, says Vox Day.

Vox Day always lies....or runs away."

You're hilarious. You really think you can come here, act like a prick and expect anyone to dance to your commands? LOL, you guys are comedy gold.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 5:16 PM  

This is correct, I was one of those people.

Blogger VD June 20, 2015 5:16 PM  

I say there are "hundreds".....but I can't name them, says Vox Day.

You're lying. I did not say that. I can name them. I am not going to tell you. The relevant people know.

Blogger automatthew June 20, 2015 5:17 PM  

SJW: "TU QUOQUE! TU QUOQUE!" Pauses, looks around. "YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ME!". Sniffles. "That's just, just ... rude, guys. Guys?"

Blogger Quizzer W June 20, 2015 5:17 PM  

Am I missing what phase the moon is in or something? I've been reading here for almost two years and this is the first time I recall the crazy showing up from this many posters.

Makes me wonder if there is actually movement going on behind the scenes and the butthurt is spilling onto the internet?

Anonymous Scruntledly June 20, 2015 5:18 PM  

"You're hilarious. You really think you can come here, act like a prick and expect anyone to dance to your commands? LOL, you guys are comedy gold."

Pro Tip.....It's important to keep your balance when you back peddle or you'll find yourself on your ass like Vox Day just did.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 5:20 PM  

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. To which post are you referring?

Anonymous Scruntledly June 20, 2015 5:20 PM  

"You're lying. I did not say that. I can name them. I am not going to tell you. The relevant people know."

....Uh, yeah, sure....There's hundreds...yeah, just like I said....Name them? Uh yeah, sure....i can do that....Yeah...that's right I can do that....But, uh, no, no....I uh, I uh, I won't do that....say...uh, I gotta go now.

Vox Day always lies.

Blogger Blume June 20, 2015 5:21 PM  

When did we back peddle?

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 20, 2015 5:23 PM  

I must've missed it while I was watching scrunt moving goal posts

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 5:23 PM  

Yup! I'm quite enjoying it. These people have made traditionalist folks miserable for years. Look at how butthurt and bitch-crying they are and we have just started to organize and get started! It's fantastic.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 20, 2015 5:24 PM  

They are kittens, hear them mewl!

Anonymous Krag June 20, 2015 5:26 PM  

"These people have made traditionalist folks miserable for years. "

Since when have racists, misogynists and bigots been considered "traditionalists"?

Blogger Ursus Maritimus Australialis #255 June 20, 2015 5:32 PM  

105. Quizzer W June 20, 2015 5:17 PM

Am I missing what phase the moon is in or something? I've been reading here for almost two years and this is the first time I recall the crazy showing up from this many posters.


Must be. Or something in the water.

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) June 20, 2015 5:32 PM  

"Pro Tip.....It's important to keep your balance when you back peddle or you'll find yourself on your ass like Vox Day just did. "

LOL, it's important to at least sound credible and not like you're butthurt and made stuff up like you guys always do. Showing up, mouthing off and making demands? LOL, you can suck it.

Oh, and if you're trying to be condescending, it helps to spell correctly so you won't look like a douche. Back PEDAL, toolbag. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 5:33 PM  

Scintan; "Actually, there were people on this blog clearly declaring a boycott before Vox called for one."

Feder has no responsibility to read through the comment section of Vox's blog and I have very little doubt that he did not.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 20, 2015 5:35 PM  

"They call us dicks, and they want to be... pussy"

Standard SJW rape fantasy.

Dr Freud, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Paging Dr Freud, the white courtesy phone...

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 5:39 PM  

Pro Tip.....It's important to keep your balance when you back peddle or you'll find yourself on your ass like Vox Day just did.

Vox did neither. So, are you a liar, or just an idiot?


This trolling session' of yours is not going the way you'd hoped, huh?

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 5:41 PM  

Feder has no responsibility to read through the comment section of Vox's blog and I have very little doubt that he did not.

Feder's irrelevant to our personal discussion, because your claim was about Vox and his words. You being caught lying as you were, though, that's relevant.

Anonymous Scorcha June 20, 2015 5:43 PM  

Scintin; "You being caught lying as you were"

If you say it enough, you might actually start to believe it yourself.

Anonymous 334 June 20, 2015 5:47 PM  

What do you think: is Scorcha a gamma?

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 5:48 PM  

If you say it enough, you might actually start to believe it yourself.

It's there in plain text. You're a liar who got caught, and then tried to walk it back with your "misunderstanding" retreat.

Now, off with you. Let the adults talk.

Blogger John Wright June 20, 2015 5:50 PM  

@79. Jourdan

"who says "scoundrels" in this day and age?"

Ask rather who does not? It is a perfectly cromulent word. I use it.

Also, blackguard, miscreant, villain, knave, rogue, rascal, scoundrel, scapegrace, caitiff, ruffian, omophagist.

Also wretch, outcast, vagabond, troglodyte, pariah and pilgarlic.

If you restrict yourself only to the calumnies popular in the current day, your tongue is chained, and half your vocabulary is lost.

Anonymous The other robot June 20, 2015 5:52 PM  

I'm boycotting Tor and Macmillan. I will be buying extra copies of books I have already purchased of non-Tor authors I appreciate, especially paperback copies of those I have in eBook. For example, I can purchase some eBooks from both Baen and Amazon or Castalia and Amazon.

I will also seek alternative versions from publishers other than Macmillan when I buy text books.

Anonymous Godfrey June 20, 2015 5:53 PM  

I love it. This is fun. Frustrating the SJW's is one of the great joys of life. Their dark oppressive corrupt bankrupt world is collapsing around them and they know it. Their response? To scream even louder in a useless attempt to drown out the noise of the crumbling structures around them.

Scream all you like. We're not stopping. You're yesterday's news.

Blogger kh123 June 20, 2015 5:53 PM  

...Even though is linked above, this thread should've been under the 1st Law post.

-Feder's not really attacking larger-than-expected number of readers, merely a select few.

-There is no larger-than-expected number. (Variation of the bot excuse.)

-Blog host is lying or backpedaling if he doesn't pony up to drive-by demands.

-Mr Feder however can't be bothered to know what his numerous targets are saying. Presumably because he's either a man of the people or can't find the "comments" button.

-Even though entire SJW organizations revolve around casus belli of patriarchal ciswhite historical grievances, there are no traditionalists.

-Why would anyone pay attention to aforementioned non-existent traditionalists and their boycott?

-Here "we" are to comment on you regressive types and your boycott.



...And all from the same favorite chewtoy.

Anonymous 334 June 20, 2015 5:58 PM  

123. John Wright

I had to Google "pilgarlic" and "cromulent". Those two are definitely being recycled.

Blogger Eskyman June 20, 2015 5:59 PM  

Wow. The Sock Puppet's Ball is being held & I get to watch!

Popcorn handy.

Carry on!

#276

Anonymous someone June 20, 2015 6:00 PM  

And... Feder bravely scrubbed the Facebook post. So brave.

Anonymous 334 June 20, 2015 6:02 PM  

And... Feder bravely scrubbed the Facebook post. So brave.

Sadly for Mr. Feder, the internet never forgets.

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 6:09 PM  

And... Feder bravely scrubbed the Facebook post. So brave.

Did Brave Sir Moshe bravely run away?

Anonymous NigerianPrince June 20, 2015 6:14 PM  

Every 1 hour 1 minute, I buy an infinite number of all TOR books, and I will continue to do so for infinity

I a Nigerian Prince reject this boy cot and announce I buy (infinite+1) number of all TOR books, and I will continue to do so for infinity+1

Can we call them Gay Kittens? Is that close enough? There is a good chance they will show up as furries at worldcon.

Blogger Lanrick June 20, 2015 6:22 PM  

Pilgarlic....being follically challenged, I like that word.

Anonymous The other robot June 20, 2015 6:25 PM  

I had to Google "pilgarlic" and "cromulent". Those two are definitely being recycled.

I, for one, look askance at those who eschew more quotidian words.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 6:25 PM  

John Wright -

Point taken! As someone who loves our dear old English, it was not the age or the obscurity that struck me, but the political usage as a term for a political opponent. It reminded me of the "imperialist mavens" or "barons of greed" type terms one used to encounter in the NYC-published weeklies of the various Marxian sects.

Anonymous Godfrey June 20, 2015 6:32 PM  

I didn't buy a Tor book today.

I won't buy one tomorrow.

I won't buy one the day after tomorrow or the day after that.

I won't buy one until Tor terminates the employment of the insensitive intolerant bigots on their payroll.

Blogger Jim June 20, 2015 6:35 PM  

Also, blackguard, miscreant, villain, knave, rogue, rascal, scoundrel, scapegrace, caitiff, ruffian, omophagist.

I will admit, I misread "omophagist" as "ophthalmologist," and am now inspired to use "ophthalmologist" as an insult somehow. You can see their dark souls flickering in their shifty, perfect 20/20 vision eyes.

Plus, what do you have against sushi?

Blogger Cail Corishev June 20, 2015 6:43 PM  

What do you think: is Scorcha a gamma?

Lambda.

Feder's not really attacking larger-than-expected number of readers, merely a select few.

Even if this were true, who cares? Have the SJWs ever let a target off the hook because he said, "You misunderstood me; I meant...."? Of course not. The standard they've demanded for decades now is that you are judged by the worst possible interpretation of your words and actions. People have been fired or sent to reeducation camp for using the word "niggardly," for cripes sake, and it didn't matter a whit that they meant its true, nothing-to-do-with-race meaning. It's also the basis of disparate impact, the current law of the land: if your testing or hiring method results in incorrect racial ratios, you're assumed to be racist unless you can prove otherwise.

Benefit of the doubt? That's a good one. They set this standard; let them choke on it.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 20, 2015 6:48 PM  

So whats the news on the ip addresses? Just one SJW twat or do we have an infestation? Clearly the increasing juvenile pants wetting on this thread is a sign that at least one of them is seriously loosing their spaghetti over the boycott.

- I for one have been calling for a boycott before Vox (here & on Twitter)

- I vote for "Big Pussies" for the opposition for obvious reasons (they tend to be the kind of people who recycle their faces as cat food after one hypo too many.)

- SJWs, you have no power here. It's hilarious to see them trying their usual tactic of shouting lies often here and fail. It's why I love this place: one of the sanest, most mature places on the internet.

Anonymous Scintan June 20, 2015 6:49 PM  

So the question to be answered is "Why?". Assuming there's not a technical issue involved, why did Moshe scrub his Facebook page? Is it to avoid getting in trouble with the brass, or because he already is. in trouble with them?

This could get interesting.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 6:52 PM  

Well, one cannot simply state that one is expressing a private opinion and then use "we" and "our" in asking folks to follow his lead. He is clearly speaking for the company.

Blogger Doom June 20, 2015 6:54 PM  

Okay, a question.

If I buy a book at Castellia House, can I be certain that it wasn't published at Tor? If CH will continue to sell such books, which... whatever... but just saying... could they keep them in a Tor only section. *splitters!*

Anonymous Anonymous June 20, 2015 7:22 PM  

How long until VD reveals the next leg of this?

Allow some vile faceless minion to earn a face, by setting up an online Tor books database of people willing to give them away to others to crash the sales of still in print works, perhaps even set it up to be a virtual online bookstore as an Amazon re-seller, Tor books for next to nothing.

That would never work economically, but once Tor motivated active resistance, there are all sorts of forms it can take. I would actively give away my old Tor books to help tank their sales...at least until they clean house.

Daedalus Mugged

OpenID thenoisyrogue June 20, 2015 7:32 PM  

"...I won't buy one until Tor terminates the employment of the insensitive intolerant bigots on their payroll..."

Not enough for me any more. I won't buy one until they publicly announce in an official statement that their only reason for existing is to publish the best quality science fiction and fantasy possible and that political correctness and crusades for social and cultural change have no place in their company.

Anonymous Accountable June 20, 2015 7:43 PM  

Thenoisyrogue; what was the last Tor book you purchased?

Blogger kh123 June 20, 2015 7:50 PM  

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Blogger kh123 June 20, 2015 7:51 PM  

Tad; when was your last visit to the clinic.

Anonymous Stryder June 20, 2015 8:08 PM  

Anyone read the manifesto from Roof the murdering racist? Reads like any of the Ilk could have written it.

Blogger kh123 June 20, 2015 8:10 PM  

From that last comment, I'd say recently. Bad news again, huh.

Blogger James Dixon June 20, 2015 8:11 PM  

> Look Chicky;

You're right Scintan, he does seem to rely on that, doesn't he.

> That would be Tor. Were you born obtuse or is it a specially cultivated disability?

Well, I would quite Moshe where he says he's not speaking for Tor, but alas the post no longer seems to be available.

> Where's the proof. Show me the Hundreds.

The fact that your too lazy to search the blog is your problem, not ours.

> See, now Scruntledly is messing up the Happy Pussies thing. He doesn't seem Happy at all.

True. He may be gay, however.

> ...and this is the first time I recall the crazy showing up from this many posters.

It is entirely possible that you have a mistaken assumption there, Quizzer W.

> If you say it enough, you might actually start to believe it yourself.

Repeating the big lie and hoping people will believe it is your side's thing, Scorcha, not ours. You're simply a liar.

> So the question to be answered is "Why?". Assuming there's not a technical issue involved, why did Moshe scrub his Facebook page? I

We've been informed that McMillan is enforcing a new "draconian" social media policy (i.e., the same one the rest of the world uses). My guess is that he got told to take it down, or else.

> If I buy a book at Castellia House, can I be certain that it wasn't published at Tor?

Yes, you can. Castelia House is publisher. They only sell their own books.


Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 20, 2015 8:17 PM  

These guest SJWs remind me of the Du Long Bridge scene in Apocalypse Now where Roach the Grenade Launcher Guy wastes a Gook on the wire who is constantly shouting " $%#% you, G.I.".

Here is a replay: Roach

Anonymous Harsh June 20, 2015 8:27 PM  

63. Your Superior

You keep losing! Why do you bank your head against the wall. You can't beat those who demand social justice. You simply don't have a sizable team or the wit. Plus, your type mainly died out decades ago.

And now you place your hope on a scrawny, runaway with a tendency to emote and be a crybaby.

We win this battle every time.


(laughs) The battle has hardly started. You haven't studied Sun Tzu, have you?


You and Vox day just can't help yourself. It it a matter of enjoying lying or are just like the emotionally little boy who won't stop?

Shut up, Tad.

Ask rather who does not? It is a perfectly cromulent word. I use it.

Mr. Wright's wise words embiggen us all.

Anyone read the manifesto from Roof the murdering racist? Reads like any of the Ilk could have written it.

Lying SJW proves (yet again) SJW Rule #1.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 8:38 PM  

Anyone read the manifesto of the black Muslim Beltway Sniper, the murdering racist? Reads like any Tor employee could have written it.

Blogger Jourdan June 20, 2015 8:39 PM  

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Blogger Mussorgsky112 June 20, 2015 8:41 PM  

@Harsh: They haven't read Sun Tzu because he was a cisgendered, heterosexual white male who supported the Patriarchy in America and... what? China, you say? How many years ago? Oh, right, um... Well, I'm sure they'll come up with a perfectly valid reason why.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 20, 2015 8:44 PM  

114. Ursus Maritimus Australialis #255 June 20, 2015 5:32 PM
105. Quizzer W June 20, 2015 5:17 PM

Am I missing what phase the moon is in or something? I've been reading here for almost two years and this is the first time I recall the crazy showing up from this many posters.

Must be. Or something in the water.
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Tor is in eclipse, the Sun is eating it. Torlings are flinging themselves at us, trying to make the bright stop.

Blogger Mussorgsky112 June 20, 2015 8:45 PM  

Each and every time these people open their mouths, all I can think are the opening stanza of my favourite Robert Browning poem:

"My first thought was, he lied in every word,
That hoary cripple, with malicious eye
Askance to watch the working of his lie
On mine, and mouth scarce able to afford
Suppression of the glee, that pursed and scored
Its edge, at one more victim gained thereby."

I'm fairly certain that Childe Roland wasn't dealing with SJWs, but a proto-SJW or paleo-SJW could be a possibility. I wonder if his quest for the Tower was simply to read good books. Makes perfect sense actually, given what he has to go through and the manner in which his friends were lost.

Anonymous Harsh June 20, 2015 8:52 PM  

Anyone read the manifesto of the black Muslim Beltway Sniper, the murdering racist? Reads like any Tor employee could have written it.

Inside every SJW is the heart of a murderer.

Blogger Doom June 20, 2015 8:59 PM  

James,

Thank you. Oh, and for the entertaining bother with... whoever. Not needed, for many, but enjoyed just the same. Tschus.

Blogger Doom June 20, 2015 9:23 PM  

Man, jonesing for some reading. I've just put up a $50 dollar order from books at CH. I've been burning through them lately. Just e-books for now. But some of them will have to go to hardcopy. Some hardcover. At least there is still CH. Keep writing though! Probably another $50 next month, and so on. Christmas is when I'll be hitting soft and hard backs.

Thanks for another addiction, Vox. Free? My asymptote!

OpenID thenoisyrogue June 20, 2015 9:41 PM  

"... Thenoisyrogue; what was the last Tor book you purchased?"

All of Glen Cook's Black Company chronicles. Why? What's your miserable point?

Anonymous zen0 June 20, 2015 9:56 PM  

The second screenshot of Feder's comments says Tor does not sell directly but works through booksellers.

Thus, if the the boycott were effective enough, it would affect the companies in the pipeline, however minimally.

Still a concern for contract renewal?

Blogger Dexter June 20, 2015 10:16 PM  

blackguard, miscreant, villain, knave, rogue, rascal, scoundrel, scapegrace, caitiff, ruffian, omophagist.

Also wretch, outcast, vagabond, troglodyte, pariah and pilgarlic.

If you restrict yourself only to the calumnies popular in the current day, your tongue is chained, and half your vocabulary is lost.


They're all better than "shitlord", which many SJW, including certain Hugo-winning authors, think is the Most Devastating Insult Ever.

Anonymous zen0 June 20, 2015 10:27 PM  

>They're all better than "shitlord", which many SJW, including certain Hugo-winning authors, think is the Most Devastating Insult Ever.

No more testimony be advanced that these people are grievously deficient in the richness of the English language. Almost as if they were half-savage, stumbling along in some Pidgin dialect.

Blogger maniacprovost June 20, 2015 10:43 PM  

Personally, I don't see why you're all responding to a misogynist troll who uses such problematic language patterns. As a trans-black, I'm also concerned that "Scorcha" is appropriating my people's localization of "scorcher" for xer screenname.

Blogger Thucydides June 20, 2015 10:50 PM  

Setting up another avenue of approach:

"Thus, if the boycott were effective enough, it would affect the companies in the pipeline, however minimally"

So, let's start posting customer reviews on Amazon.com and other on line retailers explaining why we are not going to buy Tor or McMillan books through their outlets until these publishers eject the unprofessional members of their staff (insert quotes by the various Tor senior staff to demonstrate your point). Nothing like affecting the supply chain "maximally", and proving there are many people who are annoyed, upset or angered at the behaviours of these SJW's.

Remember the saying "amateurs study tactics, but professionals study logistics", and take them out on another flank.

Anonymous Trans-chink June 20, 2015 10:53 PM  

As a trans-black, I'm also concerned that "Scorcha" is appropriating my people's localization of "scorcher" for xer screenname.

As a trans-chink I think that is funny, hee hee.

Blogger Peter June 20, 2015 11:34 PM  

166. Thucydides said:

"So, let's start posting customer reviews on Amazon.com and other on line retailers explaining why we are not going to buy Tor or McMillan books through their outlets until these publishers eject the unprofessional members of their staff (insert quotes by the various Tor senior staff to demonstrate your point). Nothing like affecting the supply chain "maximally", and proving there are many people who are annoyed, upset or angered at the behaviours of these SJW's."

With the greatest of respect, no. Please don't do that. We complain about biased reviews of books from SJW's, so why make ourselves guilty of the same offense? I strongly recommend putting up only genuine reviews dealing with a book as such, and whether or not we liked it, and for what reasons. There's no reason to stoop as low as the enemy.

Anonymous Jake June 20, 2015 11:58 PM  

Counter-boycotts do not work. They don't last as long in duration because it's always easier not to do something than to do it. For instance, if I hate George, it's easier for me to avoid George than it is for someone to visit George every day, or even more often than one normally would. The extra-visits go on for a week, but then, thinking things are better, people stop visiting George and a year later George is very lonely. That's going to be Tor in a year, two years. There is no way that SJWs are willing to buy enough of Tor's books to make up for all the Tor's books I will not buy. It takes ten people buying an extra Tor book to make up for me not buying any in 2015. And it will take another ten in 2016. And so on. Therefore, even f these "buycotts" have a short term effect, it's very stupid policy for Tor to encourage this in its readership. They will lose millions and millions, and since they already exist on the margins of the black--

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 21, 2015 12:07 AM  

I forgot all the ebooks I've bought from Tor. Mostly Wright and Lamplighter but my wife bought me a couple of books as well.

Blogger Eric June 21, 2015 12:44 AM  

It's worth pointing out that we are not at war with Tor Books. We are merely asking Macmillan to save Tor Books from the observably self-destructive and unprofessional leadership of three of its senior employees, who have abused Tor's authors and attacked Tor's customers.

Until they clean house I am at war with Tor Books. I'm perfectly willing to see them become the CNN of publishers, scratching their heads wondering why their market share keeps slipping.

Blogger Eric June 21, 2015 12:47 AM  

We complain about biased reviews of books from SJW's, so why make ourselves guilty of the same offense?

There's a big difference between leaving a review saying "I would have bough this book but for the SJW swamp at Tor" and posting a review ripping a book you didn't read.

Blogger John Wright June 21, 2015 1:39 AM  

@ 127. 334

Actually, 'cromulent' is not a real word. It was created by embiggening.

Blogger maniacprovost June 21, 2015 1:42 AM  

Eric, I would target the discussion forums on Amazon, not the reviews.In fact, that might be a good vector to spread the word to other fans that they are, according to Tor, idiotic robotic neo-nazi scoundrels. But I doubt muddying the reviews will accomplish much.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 21, 2015 3:07 AM  

We win this battle every time.

If you get this neurotic when you think you're winning, than it'll be an epic meltdown when you realize you're losing.

Blogger Groot June 21, 2015 3:18 AM  

I am Groot.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 21, 2015 3:48 AM  

175. Groot

I am Groot.
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I don't care.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 21, 2015 3:56 AM  

http://macmillan.supadu.com/images/ckfinder/704/pdfs/Macmillan/MacBusPartnerCodeUS2013.pdf

"Macmillan and its affiliated entities are committed to conducting business ethically, honestly and with integrity.
We expect each of our vendors, suppliers, agents and other business partners (“Business Partners”) to
adhere to this same standard. ... Compliance with this Code is in addition to and not in lieu of
any obligations set out in agreements with us...

"...If you have any questions regarding this Code please
speak to your usual Macmillan business contact or alternatively one of the contacts set out on the last page
of this Code. You can also reach us by using our anonymous reporting “speak-up” website which is at http://
speakup.macmillan.com

"You are required to comply with all applicable laws and regulations. Where local laws are less restrictive
than this Code you must comply with the Code even if the conduct would otherwise be legal...

ANTI-BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION
"Macmillan’s policy is to conduct business in an honest and ethical way, without the use of corrupt
practices or acts of bribery to obtain an unfair advantage and we require our Business Partners to
adhere to the same standard. You may not engage in conduct on our behalf that we would not engage
in directly..."

RAISING CONCERNS
"Business Partners and their employees should report to Macmillan any conduct, including the conduct
of any Macmillan employees, that they believe in good faith to be an actual or potential violation of this
Code.
"We encourage any Business Partner encountering questionable activities to immediately bring them to
our attention through your Macmillan business contact or alternatively the contacts set out at the back
of this Code. You can also use our anonymous reporting “speak-up” website which is at

http://speakup.macmillan.com


Blogger Groot June 21, 2015 4:55 AM  

"Tor is in eclipse, the Sun is eating it." Genuinely funny. We are Groot.

Blogger napari June 21, 2015 7:52 AM  

I was over at File 770 and scrolling through the posts I get the sense that the boycott will be succesfull. Sure a few posts intently mocks the boycott as a non-factor but the fact is the boycott has wide support.
The key is to simply stand your ground and not waiver.
Any bets on how long before Tor buckles?
I will predict bankruptcy in a ball of flame Jan, 2016 ;)

Blogger bob k. mando June 21, 2015 10:18 AM  

66. Cail Corishev June 20, 2015 3:51 PM
If you lie, you get called a liar. If we judge wrongly and you were just ignorant, then you'll prove us wrong soon enough




not to mention which ...
if they actually are that stupid, that they're constantly making errors which would be taken as lies by a reasonable observer?
then you should be ignoring their opinion because they are irredeemably foolish and stupid rather than ignoring them because they are irredeemably deceitful.

Blogger Groot June 21, 2015 2:19 PM  

"Tor is in eclipse, the Sun is eating it." Genuinely funny. We are Groot.

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