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Monday, June 29, 2015

No return

It's no wonder conservatives are reliably losing when you consider how long they have enthusiastically accepted their enemies as their "opinion leaders":
A Conservative commentator has tearfully urged the Republican Party to accept gay marriage to prevent the party becoming a “relic”. Speaking in an interview with CNN shortly after the historic Supreme Court decision to legalise same-sex marriage was handed down on Friday, S.E. Cupp was moved to tears as she explained gay people just wanted “the human dignity the rest of us have”.
If you want to win, stop paying any attention whatsoever to ideological enemies simply because they put on your jersey and claim to be one of you while arguing the opposite of your opinions and rejecting your beliefs. 

If people want "human dignity", then they need to earn it by behaving in a dignified manner, not by throwing "pride" parades and behaving like pagans.

And as a general rule, don't listen to anyone who substitutes tears for rational argument. That's the lowest and least intelligent form of rhetoric. Accepting the gay agenda has already made relics of the Anglican and Episcopalian Churches. Following suit will do the same for the Republican Party. And it will do the same for the United States of America.

The USA has observably made its choice. It has abandoned faith in God for trust in the god of this world and prince of this age. And once faith has departed from a nation, it seldom returns, as Juan Donoso Cortés observed in his speech to the Spanish Parliament on January 4, 1849.

There are only two possible forms of repression: one internal and the other external; religious repression and political repression. They are of such a nature that when the religious thermometer is high, the thermometer of political repression is low; and, when the religious thermometer low, the political thermometer—political repression—tyranny is high. That is a law of humanity, a law of history. If you want proof, Gentlemen, look at the state of the world, look at the state of society in the ages before the Cross; tell me what happened when there was no internal repression, when there was no religious repression. That was a society of tyrants and slaves. Give me the name of a single people at this period which possessed no slaves and knew no tyrant. It is an incontrovertible and evident fact, which has never been questioned. Liberty, real liberty, the liberty of all and for all, only came into the world with the Savior of the world; that again is an incontrovertible fact, recognized even by the Socialists.

Gentlemen, I beg you to pay attention; I am going to present you with the most marvelous parallel which history can offer us. You have seen that in antiquity, when religious repression couldn’t go any lower because there was none, political repression rose until it couldn’t go any higher, because it went all the way up to tyranny. Very well then, with Jesus Christ, where religious repression is born, political repression completely disappears. This is so true, that when Jesus Christ founded a society with His disciples, that society was the only one which has ever existed without a government. Between Jesus Christ and His disciples there was no other government than the love of the Master for His disciples and the love of the disciples for their Master. That is, that when the internal repression was complete, liberty was absolute.


Let us pursue the parallel. Now come the apostolic times, which I shall stretch from the time of the Apostles, properly speaking, to the period when Christianity mounted the Capitol in the reign of Constantine the Great. At this time, Gentlemen, the Christian religion, that is, the internal, religious repression, was at its zenith; but in spite of that, as always happens in human societies, a germ began to develop, a mere germ of license and religious liberty. So, Gentlemen, observe the parallel: with this beginning of a fall in the religious thermometer there corresponds the beginning of a rise in the political thermometer. There is still no government yet, for government is not yet necessary; but it is already necessary to have the germ of government. In point of fact, in the Christian society of the time, there were no real magistrates, but there were adjudicators and arbitrators who form the germ of government. There was really nothing more than that; the Christians of apostolic times engaged in no lawsuits and never appealed to the Courts: their disputes were settled by the arbitrators. Notice, Gentlemen, how the scope of government is enlarged with the growth of corruption.

Then came feudal times. Religion was still at its zenith during this period, but was vitiated up to a point by human passions. What happened in the political sphere? A real and effective government was already essential; but the weakest kind was good enough. As a result, feudal monarchy was established, the weakest of all kinds of monarchy.

Still pursuing our parallel, we come to the sixteenth century. Then, with the great Lutheran Reformation, with this great scandal which was at the same time political, social and religious, with this act of the intellectual and moral emancipation of the peoples, we see simultaneously the growth of the following institutions. In the first place, and immediately, the feudal monarchies became absolute. Gentlemen, you believe that a monarchy cannot go beyond absolutism: what can a government be beyond absolute? However, the thermometer of political repression had to rise even higher, because the religious thermometer continued to fall: and the political thermometer did in fact rise higher. What did they create then? Standing armies. Do you know what standing armies are? To answer that question, it is enough to know what a soldier is: a soldier is a slave in uniform. So you see once again, when religious repression falls, political repression rises, it rises as high as absolutism and even higher. It was not enough for governments to be absolute; they asked for and obtained the privilege of having a million arms.

In spite of this, Gentlemen, the political thermometer had to continue to rise because the religious thermometer kept falling; it rose still higher. What new institution was created then? The governments said: We have a million arms and it is not enough; we need something more, we need a million eyes: and they created the police, and with the police a million eyes. In spite of this, Gentlemen, the political thermometer and political repression had to rise to a higher pitch still, because in spite of everything, the religious thermometer kept falling; so they rose higher.

It was not enough for the governments to have a million arms and a million eyes; they wanted to have a million ears: and so they got them through administrative centralization, by means of which all claims and complaints finally reached the government.

Well, Gentlemen, that was not enough; the religious thermometer continued to fall and so the political thermometer had to rise higher. And it rose. Governments said: A million arms, a million eyes and a million ears are not sufficient to repress the people, we need something more; we must have the privilege of being simultaneously present everywhere. This privilege also they obtained: the telegraph was invented.

Such, Gentlemen, was the state of Europe and the world when the first rumblings of the most recent revolution told us all that there is still not enough despotism on the earth, since the religious thermometer remains below zero. And now the choice between two things lies before us.

I have promised to speak today with complete frankness and I shall keep my word.

Well then, it’s either one of these two: either a religious reaction will come, or it will not. If there is a religious reaction, you will soon see that as the religious thermometer rises, the political thermometer will begin to fall, naturally, spontaneously, without the slightest effort on the part of peoples, governments, or men, until the tranquil day comes when the peoples of the world are free. But if, on the contrary, and this is a serious matter (it is not customary to call the attention of Consultative Assemblies to questions of this nature; but the gravity of events today is my excuse and I think that your benevolence will also excuse me); I say again, Gentlemen, that if the religious thermometer continues to fall, I know not whither we are going. I do not know, Gentlemen, and I shiver when I think of it. Consider the analogies I have put before your eyes; if no government at all was necessary when religious repression was at its zenith; when religious repression is no more, no type of government will be enough—all despotisms will be insufficient.

This is putting one’s finger into the wound, Gentlemen—this is the problem which faces Spain, Europe, humanity, and the world.

Notice one thing, Gentlemen. In the ancient world, tyranny was fierce and devastating; and yet this tyranny was physically limited, since all States were small and international relations between them all were completely impossible; consequently tyranny on the grand scale was impossible in antiquity, with one exception: Rome. But today, how greatly are things changed! The way is prepared for a gigantic, colossal, universal, and immense tyrant; everything is ready for it. Gentlemen, observe that there are no physical or moral resistances anymore—there are no physical resistances anymore because with steamboats and railroads there are no borders any longer; there are no physical resistances anymore because with the electric telegraph there are no distances anymore; and there are no moral resistances because all wills are divided and all patriotisms are dead. Tell me, therefore, if I am right or wrong to be worried about the near future of the world; tell me whether, in dealing with this question, I am not touching upon the real problem.

There is only one thing that can avert the catastrophe—one and only one: we shall not avert it by granting more liberty, more guarantees and new constitutions; we shall avert it if all of us, according to our strength, do our utmost to stimulate a healthy reaction—a religious reaction. Now is this possible, Gentlemen? Yes, it is. But is it likely? I answer in deepest sorrow: I do not think it is likely. I have seen and known many men who returned to their faith after having separated themselves from it; unfortunately, I have never known any nation which returned to the Faith after having lost it.

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Blogger Frank Brady June 29, 2015 12:02 PM  

You might see http://www.gatetoliberty.blogspot.com/2015/06/constitutional-perversion-unheld-debate.html if you have time and are so inclined.

Anonymous Porky June 29, 2015 12:04 PM  

S.E. Cupp is a godless whore.

Blogger stats June 29, 2015 12:05 PM  

Nice find. Mr. Cortes nailed it.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 June 29, 2015 12:06 PM  

People pay attention to her for the same reason they pay attention to Sarah Palin and everyone on Fox News: she's hot. She's also a lesbian, so I'm sure that makes the tongues drool too.

Anonymous Steve June 29, 2015 12:08 PM  

'For I am Saruman the Wise, Saruman Ring-maker, Saruman of Many Colours!'

I looked then and saw that his robes, which had seemed white, were not so, but were woven of all colours, and if he moved they shimmered and changed hue so that the eye was bewildered.

'I liked white better,' I said.

'White!' he sneered. 'It serves as a beginning. White cloth may be dyed. The white page can be overwritten; and the white light can be broken.'

'In which case it is no longer white,' said I. 'And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.' - Gandalf

Blogger stats June 29, 2015 12:15 PM  

Vox, where did you get this quote?

Blogger Shimshon June 29, 2015 12:16 PM  

Who is S. E. Cupp?

Blogger JartStar June 29, 2015 12:17 PM  

The next two openly talked about steps from the progressives: 1)Remove tax exempt status from religious institutions, charities, and schools who do not pass a secular litmus test 2)silence all debate on the subject in the MSM and eventually all social media.

Example for #2 here

These unions are now the law of the land. And we will not publish such letters and op-Eds any more than we would publish those that are racist, sexist or anti-Semitic.

We will, however, for a limited time, accept letters and op-Eds on the high court's decision and its legal merits.

The march of progress is often slow, but it is always steady.

OpenID mattse001 June 29, 2015 12:20 PM  

Fox News did that yesterday on the Chris Wallace show, when they brought out a SSM supporter and introduced him as "a leading conservative." They made a POINT of saying that in an emphatic tone. By the end of his interview, I wanted to puke.

Blogger RobertT June 29, 2015 12:23 PM  

" If people want "human dignity", then they need to earn it by behaving in a dignified manner "

My staple over the years, "If you want my respect, do something respectable."

Same thing.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2015 12:26 PM  

People pay attention to her for the same reason they pay attention to Sarah Palin and everyone on Fox News: she's hot.

Which reminds me, apparently Bristol Palin is knocked up again. I'm sure that excuses will be made in various corners of the Republican party machine, including at "pro family" National Review.

From history I have now gathered that political degeneracy apparently is always accompanied by sexual degeneracy. Not just the famous example of Rome, but also more than one decaying dynasty in China, perhaps the "floating world" period of Japan, certainly the ancien regime of France. Why is this? Is it the decoupling of authority from responsibility, is it an r / K issue, what is the mechanism?

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) June 29, 2015 12:28 PM  

All of a sudden, SE Cupp is a conservative? Moderately right-wing historically, yes, but conservative? No one's ever accused her of that before. They have to push their narrative.

Anonymous Krul June 29, 2015 12:28 PM  

If Juan Donoso Cortes is right, then the best thing we can do is to preach the Gospel. By raising the religious thermometer as much as possible, according to Cortes, we will correspondingly lower the level of tyranny. The good thing about it is that its something all Christians can do wherever they are. Also there's no downside to doing so, even if Cortes is wrong.

If there's a religious thermometer, I'd say its time to turn up the heat.

Anonymous Brother Thomas June 29, 2015 12:34 PM  

Can anyone tell me what the Republicans stand for? What is their purpose? Why should they even continue to exist?

Anonymous Jourdan June 29, 2015 12:35 PM  

Three things happen when you are in politics with S.E. Cupp: you fall in love with her, she falls in love with you, and when you criticize her she cries.

Blogger Beefy Levinson June 29, 2015 12:35 PM  

I've never understood "gay pride" parades. It's as if they're trying to confirm their own stereotypes. Why not have blacks march while carrying buckets of fried chicken, Kool cigarettes, and bottles of grape soda while we're at it?

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco June 29, 2015 12:38 PM  

The late Lawrence Auster wrote:

"Timothy A. writes:

The attitude of conservatives towards allowing homosexual military members seems to be following the same trajectory as their attitude towards allowing women to serve in combat — opposition followed by acquiescence followed by celebration. For a recent example of the celebration of women in combat see Michael Potemra, and most of the commenters on his post, at NRO.)

In 2020 we will probably have an openly homosexual soldier speaking at the Republican convention to rapturous applause.

LA replies:

Which among other things convinces liberals that they, the liberals, are right on all these issues and that conservative opposition amounts to nothing but prejudice, anger, discomfort with what is new, and footdragging, all of which will eventually be overcome.

Whereas if Republicans/conservatives did not follow the usual conservative pattern of opposing some liberal innovation, then supporting it once it has won, but continued opposing it after it had won (which is what VFR stands for — see my Traditionalist’s Credo), then the liberals would be forced to recognize that there are serious human beings who have principled opposition to the liberal program and who will never accept it. This would bring the liberals up short. Some of them might even start listening to the conservative arguments. But so long as conservatism consists of nothing but “kvetch and retreat” (Rabbi Mayer Schiller’s phrase), liberals have no reason to take conservatism seriously.

To repeat: by embracing liberal measures and beliefs after they have won politically and socially, conservatives are showing themselves to be, not just opponents of liberalism who have been defeated, but indispensable allies of liberalism — allies sending the message that opposition to liberalism has no valid or rational basis, and therefore that liberals are right to despise conservatives. Such conservatives put the seal on the rightness of liberalism and the wrongness of conservatism."

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 29, 2015 12:40 PM  

"she's hot"

Uh, maybe to some, but her man jaw and psuedo-intellectual black rimmed Maddow glasses make her physically repugnant to me. Plus, she is a Republican, not a conservative - when she opens her mouth there's no 'there' there.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 29, 2015 12:40 PM  

Krul,

You are correct.

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Note that the active party must be those who are called by the Lord's name.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco June 29, 2015 12:43 PM  

R.L. Dabney:

"It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt bath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always, when about to enter a protest, very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance. The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy from having nothing to whip. No doubt, after a few years, when women’s suffrage shall have become an accomplished fact, conservatism will tacitly admit it into its creed, and thenceforward plume itself upon its wise firmness in opposing with similar weapons the extreme of baby suffrage; and when that too shall have been won, it will be heard declaring that the integrity of the American Constitution requires at least the refusal of suffrage to asses. There it will assume, with great dignity, its final position."

Anonymous Sun Xhu June 29, 2015 12:46 PM  

Who bitch, this is?

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 29, 2015 12:48 PM  

Zhukov, too many take the Lord's name in vain. An empty futile gesture, devoid of real meaning.

That's where the practice of a wife taking her husband's name comes from. That's why God calls his church his bride. Why he accuses his people over and over if whoring off after other gods

And that's the connection between loss of faith and degeneracy, asked about earlier. There's a direct path from one to the other, because it is psychologically impossible to be faithful to God and unfaithful to your husband (even the husband you have not met yet), and vice versa.
"The double-minded man is unstable in ALL his ways. "

Blogger VD June 29, 2015 12:50 PM  

Vox, where did you get this quote?

A Spanish reader sent it to me. It seemed appropos.

Blogger YIH June 29, 2015 12:52 PM  

These two cartoons presented with no further comment needed.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 29, 2015 12:57 PM  

If you are going to talk about gay marriage in your churches/groups the following is a story you should include. It is about 2 fugly lesbians, Nicole White and Pam Renouf, that had a Christian jeweler make custom made rings for them, the jewelers made it, they admitted they where provided good service but when they later found out that the jeweler supported traditional marriage they summoned a hoard of harridans to harass them into giving a refund on custom work .It’s not enough for a Christian business to provide service even when it contradicts his moral values, you must celebrate gaydom in all its forms or you will be punished. http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/05/22/there-is-no-appeasing-a-fascist-mob/

"“They were great to work with. They seemed to have no issues. They knew the two of us were a same-sex couple,” White said.
“I referred some of my friends to them, just because I did get some good customer service and they had good prices.”...
The couple now believes the rings they ordered will have been tainted by having been fashioned by jeweler Esau Jardon’s hands, given what impure thoughts he holds in his mind ...

"He said some threats came with names and others were anonymous.

“One of them states that ‘you better give them the money back or you will be very, very sorry,’” he said.

Let’s understand what happened here. This Christian jeweler agreed to custom-make engagement rings for a lesbian couple, knowing that they were a couple, and treated them politely. But when they found out what he really believed about same-sex marriage, even though the man gave them polite service, and agreed to sell them what they asked for, the lesbian couple balked, and demanded their money back — and the mob threatened the business if they didn’t yield. Which, of course, he did. ....

I bought some olive oil not long ago at a tiny grocery store owned by an Arab Muslim immigrant. If I find out that the merchant supports ISIS, am I entitled to declare my jug of olive oil tainted, and demand a refund? Is a fundamentalist Christian permitted to send her osso buco back to the kitchen if she discovers that homosexual hands cooked it? Of course not. Some delicate snowflakes are more delicate than others.

Blogger The Remnant June 29, 2015 12:58 PM  

Excellent quote that I was unaware of, and it reminds me of the earlier one by Edmund Burke:

"Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites . . . . Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters."

It also strikes me as a tad ironic that the proponents of gay marriage claim "live and let live" on the one hand, yet on the other are the ones using the power of the state to compel us all to endorse their lifestyle. The good news is that it is perfectly feasible to resist this outrage, and with full faith that doing so comports with the (actual) Constitution as well as good conscience.

Blogger Chris Ritchie June 29, 2015 12:59 PM  

The sad thing is that Christians still have power in numbers. All we have to do is withdraw consent from the system. If just 50% of the people in California withdraw their children from public schools over the forced vaccinations issue, the law would be overturned in less than a week.

If Christians could just find the moral courage to withdraw consent and stop shopping at Wells Fargo for instance for their loans. Or stop taking the paper who refuses to allow a dissenting Op-Ed. Or stop supporting businesses who came out in support of this gay marriage ruling. We'd win quickly.

I don't fly because of the TSA. And if I did, I won't be flying American Airlines ever again. Federal Express refused to ship gun parts for a private individual. I chose UPS over FedEx the last few times I had to ship a package. I don't know UPS' politics, but my actions are at least a start.

The same is being done to TOR. We have a voice with our dollars. That's the least we should do.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 29, 2015 1:00 PM  

Just having great tits while wearing a tight Electric Six T-shirt on Red Eye doesn't mean her opinion should matter to anyone.

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) June 29, 2015 1:00 PM  

"People pay attention to her for the same reason they pay attention to Sarah Palin and everyone on Fox News: she's hot. She's also a lesbian, so I'm sure that makes the tongues drool too."

Looks like she's a converted lesbian, because she got married and had a kid last year. She's still no conservative, though.

Anonymous Steve June 29, 2015 1:00 PM  

Beefy - I've never understood "gay pride" parades.

I've wondered about this too. The boilerplate answer is that they're something about tolerance and inclusivity and yadda yadda yadda. But are they fuck.

You don't seek tolerance and inclusivity by dressing up as a hideous caricature of a nun in assless leather chaps.

Now, personally, I don't care if two grown men want to bum each other in the privacy of their own homes or saunas. And I don't need their approval of my heterosexuality. But the gay movement cares a great deal about what normal people think of them. And they don't want your tolerance, they want you to be forced to celebrate them.

So I believe gay pride rallies serve the following purposes:

They're triumphalist marches to wind up the normies.

They're good excuses for the more histrionic attention seekers among the homosexual community (which is most of them) to showboat.

They're cover for some deeply insecure people to convince themselves that it's perfectly normal to suck off scores of strange men in public toilets.

And I think the last one - the insecurity - explains their aggression in demanding that they be validated by society. Someone whose psyche isn't being eaten away by regret and self-loathing wouldn't care too much one way or t'other what other people think of his sexual preferences.

Put it another way - if gay pride rallies were about tolerance, you'd expect, as toleration of gays has increased, to see less of them.

But the opposite has happened.

In general gays seen to me to be unhappy people, and just as feminists have found that no amount of feminist-friendly "progress" can fix their broken personalities, no amount of gay "rights" will make the gay crusaders stop crying about their imagined persecution.

Anonymous Michael Maier June 29, 2015 1:02 PM  

THAT's "hot"?

Pretty low standards, especially for Fox.

Of course, that's not exactly fair. HD is exceedingly unkind to females. Were I a newscast producer, I'd use softer focus.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 29, 2015 1:05 PM  

she's hot.

In a Caitlan Jenner sort of way...

Anonymous TroperA June 29, 2015 1:09 PM  

So if the Conservatives are the ones holding up civilization through their efforts (and are the primary producers of resources and keepers of security,) and the Progressives are nothing but parasites who take from the productive and produce nothing but propaganda, then it seems as if there is an easy solution to this problem...

I suppose some would call it MGTOW, but that seems like a petty and childish form of surrender. I would think a better solution would be for ALL of the producers (male and female) to sit back, stop buying crap and produce only what you need to feed/clothe your immediate family. Produce as little as possible. Starve the Beast. Meet with likeminded others and pool your advice and resources. Hunker down. Prepare to defend yourselves when you're accused of "wrecking" the utopia the Progs are trying to create. Don't man up and marry those sluts. Find a good woman (or man) and have as many kids as you afford. Then homeschool your kids. Grow your own food. Be as self-sufficient as possible. The Morlocks will devour the Eloi and then eat their own. All we have to do is wait...

Blogger kurt9 June 29, 2015 1:10 PM  

There are only two possible forms of repression: one internal and the other external; religious repression and political repression.

This postulate an either-or fallacy. We don't need any form of repression whatsoever.

Anonymous Hugo Voter June 29, 2015 1:10 PM  

People who are "socially liberal economically conservative" seem fine until you realize economic conservatism is both racist and sexist.

Anonymous Geoff June 29, 2015 1:14 PM  

There was a Gay Pride parade in our town last weekend. We can argue whether gayness is a sin, but pride is definitely one.

Blogger YIH June 29, 2015 1:18 PM  

BGS:
I bought some olive oil not long ago at a tiny grocery store owned by an Arab Muslim immigrant. If I find out that the merchant supports ISIS, am I entitled to declare my jug of olive oil tainted, and demand a refund?
That's what happens when you don't get Genco Pura olive oil!

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 29, 2015 1:21 PM  

Vox: thanks for that excellent quote. It is a real gem, and a much-needed reminder that we're not so hot in these times as we like to think ourselves.

The Remnant: Burke sounds like the source of a line my older sister taught me: "Either a law in every heart, or a policeman* on every corner."

*Of course, today it is policewoman and they're in every bedroom, but ...

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 1:23 PM  

Yup, perfect time for the Antichrist to show up.

Anonymous Original TLM June 29, 2015 1:23 PM  

Jartstar

This will be the interesting part where we'll have a chance to see if American churches will stand strong and allow their coveted 501C3 status be stripped from them when they refuse to recognize ssm, or cave in. The churchians are about to be exposed for who they really are.

Anonymous Steve June 29, 2015 1:24 PM  

They would are if they were being rounded up, arrested, beat, discriminated against, called names,

Yarp. So you'd expect, as these anti-gay laws were abolished (most of them decades ago) and society has become welcoming of gays to the point of outright homophilia, that gay pride rallies would decrease in numbers.

As in "Mission Accomplished! We can put away the nun outfits and assless leather chaps!" That is, if gay pride rallies were about tolerance, which they are not.

and told that all they want to do is suck off strangers in a bathroom if that was the response to their sexual preference.

I never said that's all they want to do. They also give handjobs to random guys in park bushes. And sometimes they shack up as a couple and buy little dogs.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 29, 2015 1:24 PM  

Steve,

Have the Jews stopped moaning over anti-semitism, or given up trying to hunt down the last nazi?

People have not changed.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia June 29, 2015 1:24 PM  

Smart money says Barry comes out of the closet to reveal he's a flaming fag after he leaves the white house and Moochelle comes out and reveals she's a tranny.

Anonymous patrickkelly June 29, 2015 1:26 PM  

@ 16.

That's some funny shit....I laughed alot.....

(really, is alot not a word spelled just like that...it should be....)

Anonymous Steve June 29, 2015 1:27 PM  

ScuzzaMan - You don't see Jewish Pride marches though, do you?

Anonymous RationalAgnostic June 29, 2015 1:28 PM  

If you Theocrats want to give up all the Millennial votes, please go ahead. We will take over and bury you.

Anonymous bgs June 29, 2015 1:29 PM  

I've never understood "gay pride" parades. It's as if they're trying to confirm their own stereotypes.

Before smart phones gay drama queens would spend lots of time in front of mirrors. Its a parade where you can be special.

Blogger VD June 29, 2015 1:32 PM  

If you Theocrats want to give up all the Millennial votes, please go ahead. We will take over and bury you.

"Votes," said the Lacedaemonians.

Did you not hear about the Supreme Court decision? Voting no longer matters.

Anonymous Steve June 29, 2015 1:33 PM  

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Blogger Sean June 29, 2015 1:38 PM  

Kurt9- I do not think that it is a fallacy in this case. There really are only two choices. Repress the natural man and follow God or allow the natural man to rule and be repressed by the god of this world.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 29, 2015 1:42 PM  

Steve,

Sure do. Here in Germany every school pupil takes a week from school to travel to a nearby concentration camp museum and learn about their eternal national blood guilt.

My half-Jewish half-German step-son was quite bemused by it all, and we had great laughs discussing which half of him should flagellate the other.

But basically; same shit, different context.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad June 29, 2015 1:44 PM  

35. Hugo Voter June 29, 2015 1:10 PM

People who......


Shutup, Tad.

Blogger YIH June 29, 2015 1:45 PM  

Original TLM:
This will be the interesting part where we'll have a chance to see if American churches will stand strong and allow their coveted 501C3 status be stripped from them when they refuse to recognize ssm, or cave in.
My hunch? The vast majority will bend over and grab their ankles to keep that precious 501c3.
They can be one hell of a (semi-legit) racket - even if they have a 'christian' veneer.

Anonymous Steve June 29, 2015 1:48 PM  

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Anonymous JudgingYou June 29, 2015 1:50 PM  

"Did you not hear about the Supreme Court decision? Voting no longer matters."

If you are going to call one decision anti-democratic, then all decisions are anti-democratic and we ought to point out the anti-democratic nature of all court decisions. But we usually do the pointing only when there is a decision we don't like. We look like hypocrites.

Anonymous Roundtine June 29, 2015 1:50 PM  

If you Theocrats want to give up all the Millennial votes...

High time preference for the collapse.

Blogger Retrenched June 29, 2015 1:52 PM  

But they just want the dignity the rest of us have or something....

NSFW

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/614751096255283200

Blogger CM June 29, 2015 1:53 PM  

Question... 501c3 status is for "not for profit" corporations?

If yes, are all churches incorporated?

If no, do the denominational, organized churches tend to be incorporated regardless of church size? Like... Episcopal, Presbyterian, Methodist, Catholic?

Anonymous DNW June 29, 2015 1:53 PM  

That was an outstanding quote.

And the knee-jerk reaction would be: "And from the Spain of 1849 of all places and times". Someone must have read and remembered his Aquinas and Aristotle.

The only alternative to entropy, and death, is that control and structure be established on one level or another; either through the development of personal virtue, or as social control.

The moral nihilists of the left, and the herd they guide, have made their choice.

The only problem, is that they insist that everyone else in the polities they inhabit be forced to share the expense of their personally lunatic and dysfunctional indulgences.

The cost of pretending their acts have intrinsic dignity - when in order to "comparatively" justify their own behaviors they must themselves deny that any act does - is just too high.

Anonymous anonymous coward June 29, 2015 1:55 PM  

There really are only two choices. Repress the natural man and follow God or allow the natural man to rule and be repressed by the god of this world.

FYI, the Gnostic heresy is what brought us to this whole mess in the first place.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2015 1:56 PM  

Can anyone tell me what the Republicans stand for? What is their purpose?

To slow the advance of leftism to a pace the people can accept. Without Republicans, Democrats wouldn't be able to help themselves -- there are already calls to force churches to do gay marriages -- and they'd push the people into outright revolution. The GOP slows them down so that doesn't happen.

Anonymous FrankL June 29, 2015 1:59 PM  

"FYI, the Gnostic heresy is what brought us to this whole mess in the first place."

Thank you Martin Luther! (spits on ground)

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2015 2:03 PM  

Which reminds me, apparently Bristol Palin is knocked up again. I'm sure that excuses will be made in various corners of the Republican party machine, including at "pro family" National Review.

Based on what I've seen recently at a very traditional church, the pervasive influence of feminism, combined with legal abortion, makes it almost impossible to find anyone who will scold an unmarried woman for getting knocked up. Even devout Christians are congenitally inclined to excuse all bad female behavior today, but the fact that a pregnant woman can kill the child at any time makes them even less inclined to say anything negative to her. We must coddle her and praise her for keeping the baby, so that other girls who get knocked up won't be discouraged in any way from doing the same.

It would probably be easier to find someone in a Christian church willing to say we should bring back slavery than to find someone willing to tell a woman she should be ashamed of having an illegitimate child.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar June 29, 2015 2:04 PM  

Unplug from this system. It will soon collapse under its own stupidity anyway. Without your work and money it will dry up and blow away. Do not accept further payments in fiat currencies. No US Dollars and no Euros. Trade only with White Christians and let these Godless whores starve.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata June 29, 2015 2:07 PM  

Truly, truly, I say to you, that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; you will grieve, but your grief will be turned into joy.

Blogger Groot June 29, 2015 2:09 PM  

The statists get the math wrong (surprise!) on demographics. They keep parading the decline of the white man and claim the future is inevitably theirs.

But, now out of the closet and living the gay life, the gays will slink into extinction. (It's like breeding dogs or cattle or whatever: Keep culling out a characteristic and it diminishes, usually much faster than you'd expected.)

The religious and conservatives have more children. (If you go into San Francisco with a couple of kids, you will receive multiple unsolicited comments about over-breeding from strangers.)

And Hispanics are white, and soon they start voting that way. (If you want to offend a lot of people, go to Mexico and start talking about white people vs. Hispanics. They always respond indignantly, "What, am I black?" It's like asking someone, "Are you Italian, or are you white?" It's just racist.)

Finally, the older you are, the less statist you become. (The most conservative people are always the oldest people. The most conservative people now are the hippy, anti-Vietnam war, McGovern-voting children of the 60's.)

Demographically, things are looking up. (Millenials, thanks for Obamacare, assholes. But you'll learn, all but the stupidest.)

Blogger YIH June 29, 2015 2:11 PM  

Retrenched:
But they just want the dignity the rest of us have or something....

NSFW

Zombietime. NSFW with warning interstitial - an oldie but not-so goodie.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 29, 2015 2:14 PM  

Cail ,

So the republicans are the political flywheel?

Makes sense.

Blogger YIH June 29, 2015 2:17 PM  

CM:
Question... 501c3 status is for "not for profit" corporations?

If yes, are all churches incorporated?

Nearly all of them.
To protect their tax-free status/qualify for Uncle Sucker handouts.

Anonymous bw June 29, 2015 2:17 PM  

tell me what the Republicans stand for? What is their purpose?

Their very purpose is to LOSE at home in the Culture War and to give voice to Wall St and the Pentagon and police state at home.
The Dems job was to win the Culture war and empower the Socialist State. Now the bi-factional ruling party - WallS and the Pentagon, no longer even has to pretend to be at odds, or cover up the Fascist regime where Corps and State feed each other through the revolving door.
The Dialectic has worked it synthesis magic.

**it should be noted the parties have changed roles at times: the big war entanglements were all Dem presidents in 20th cent.
Then Dems pretended to be anti-establishment and anti-war for a time and were pro-white Union vs immigrants, the Dems also being the segregation party etc..

The voters of both parties have been completely betrayed time and again on the very key platforms of each of the parties themselves. Hell, that there has only been TWO relevant parties speaks volumes itself.

Blogger CM June 29, 2015 2:19 PM  

Even devout Christians are congenitally inclined to excuse all bad female behavior today, but the fact that a pregnant woman can kill the child at any time makes them even less inclined to say anything negative to her

Well that seems like a pretty valid response...

It isn't getting pregnant that's the problem... its the sex that is. And you can't say absolutely no one knew she was having sex...

There's been a silencing of that once you are out of high school youth groups. And high school youth groups breed churchianity and poor relational development amongst themselves and the rest of the Church Body.

My shame came internally... my mother was saddened... i think she mourned for me :/ and even if the church wouldn't have treated me poorly, i didn't really need it to... took me a full year of marriage to forgive myself.

Now, i'm not all women, so take my anecdotal for what it is.

Blogger Groot June 29, 2015 2:20 PM  

"I call bullshit. I've been there with my three kids to visit their Aunt hundreds of times and never gotten this kind of comment."

YMMV, but that is a common experience I've never heard refuted before. My point is that fertility in SF is very low, as it is in any big, rich, liberal, white city.

Blogger GoldRush Apple June 29, 2015 2:20 PM  

S.E. Cupp is more of a secular libertarian, actually. The thing with the media is that they lump with people like Cupp with the conservative movement in order to "prove" that the conservative movement is turning the tide on social issues like same-sex "marriage." Yes, Cupp appeared on Fox and was a co-anchor for a show on the network, but she clearly is a social "progressive." In my eyes, if you're a social "progressive" you aren't a conservative. You're a libertarian sympathetic to modernity. A huge give away on Cupp is not that she supports same-sex "marriage" but her reaction and words that she showed and uses. I mean, "dignity" and tears of happiness? Really?

Anonymous anonymous coward June 29, 2015 2:24 PM  

Thank you Martin Luther! (spits on ground)

I don't think Luther was consciously incorporating Gnosticism into the Reformation movement -- Gnosticism was a huge part of medieval European history, Luther was most likely just channeling the prevailing Gnostic zeitgeist, lacking a decent understanding of Christian theology.

There were at least two Crusades against European Gnostics. (Maybe three; I'm not sure what caused the Bogomils to go underground.)
Gnostic religions spanned all of Europe, from Turkey to Russia to Spain, and had infiltrated nobility and royal courts.

Modern-day Catalonia still flies the Aragonese flag of the Cathars. If you've been to Barcelona and visited the Sagrada Familia, then you know how un-Christian and unsettlingly disorienting that 'Church' really is. (Personally, I'd call it 'satanic', don't laugh.) Clearly, this stuff keeps reverberating to today, you can't just relegate it to ancient history.

P.S. The word 'bugger', (as in 'homosexual') comes from a corruption of 'Bulgarian', referencing the Bogomils, one of the stronger Gnostic medieval sects, who made their base in Bulgaria and Bosnia. This isn't a coincidence. So much for 'gay rights'.

Anonymous Krul June 29, 2015 2:25 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B June 29, 2015 2:26 PM  

"This will be the interesting part where we'll have a chance to see if American churches will stand strong and allow their coveted 501C3 status be stripped from them when they refuse to recognize ssm, or cave in."

There is another facet to this as well. The churches enjoy some benefits with this status, but I wonder about the folks who give (or tithe) to churches. Over the years, one question I have been asked is if our synagogue has 501(c)3 status. For many, many years we did not have this status, and a number of people over those years indicated an unwillingness to give for that reason. In my estimation, refusal on those grounds indicates a deeper problem of the soul that needs further examination. IIRC, G-d loves a cheerful giver. Those folks are a headache I don't need.

The bottom line is that churches (and synagogues) who are uncompromising when it comes to the truth and G-d's righteous standards, better start getting used to smaller congregations.

We used to have attendance that ranged from 250 - 300 for a number of years. In the last 7 or 8 years we have dwindled to a half dozen families or so. Why? We have refused to compromise on basic Biblical principles and we have been willing to hold folks accountable to the highest standards.

Of course, in many circles, success is measured in numbers for most, but I measure "success" in faithfulness. I will gladly take the 'faithful remnant' we have for now over a thousand people who are merely taking up space in our pews and playing church (synagogue), any day of the week.

If success were truly measured in numbers, than the Messiah was perhaps one of the most epic failures that the world has ever known.

IRRC, there was a point in the Messiah's ministry when He turned to the twelve and asked if they wanted to leave as well (a great multitude had earlier departed in response to "hard teaching." cf. John 6) and even of those men, the twelve who were closest to Him, one would betray him while the others would end up abandoning Him in His greatest hour of need (only to be restored later on).

My ministry is my calling, not my livelihood, and though I am no one of great consequence, I for one am committed to my calling even if, like the Son of Man, my bank account is empty and I have no place to rest my head someday. He is faithful, He demands no less of us in return, and death is certainly not the worst thing that can happen to a man in this world.

What does it profit a man who gains the world entire, and yet forfeits his soul? This is no time for any of us to be thinking about building bigger barns. Our very souls could be demanded of us this evening, and what good are the barns going to do any of us in that dreadful hour?

The question that is put to all of us is: Will the Son of Man find faith(fulness) on earth when He comes? That is our one and only concern. Let us concern ourselves with nothing less. We have our reward, and the unfaithful have theirs. May we be counted among His faithful and may we shine like stars in this dark universe as we hold out the offer of life to an obstinate world obsessed with death and darkness.

And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his G-d and he shall be My son.

But the cowardly, unbelieving,abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Blogger Groot June 29, 2015 2:27 PM  

"The religious and conservative have more children." This is the point you're going to refute with some anecdotal, completely unfalsifiable emoting? Tell us how all SF Dweller react. That'll perk up their numbers.

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 2:29 PM  

Can anyone tell me what the Republicans stand for? What is their purpose?

To slow the advance of leftism to a pace the people can accept. Without Republicans, Democrats wouldn't be able to help themselves -- there are already calls to force churches to do gay marriages -- and they'd push the people into outright revolution. The GOP slows them down so that doesn't happen.


@Cail Corishev
Yes. "Conservatism" is simply the friction applied to the progtard train. It doesn't do anything to change the direction, just slow it down until most people accept it. After all, the coefficient of friction can't be greater than one.

And Hispanics are white, and soon they start voting that way. (If you want to offend a lot of people, go to Mexico and start talking about white people vs. Hispanics. They always respond indignantly, "What, am I black?" It's like asking someone, "Are you Italian, or are you white?" It's just racist.)

@Groot
Hah. Even Dominicans get pissed if you call them black.

But Mexicans are not white. They're mestizos. The only Hispanics who are white are maybe half of the Cubans and a quarter of the Puerto Ricans. Of course, half-Mexicans and quarter-Mexicans who are otherwise of European ancestry could be considered at least close to white, since they'd be 1/4 and 1/8 American Indian, respectively.

But interestingly enough, according to Pew, non-Hispanic mestizos (white-American Indian mixes) vote the same way as whites do.

Anonymous bw June 29, 2015 2:30 PM  

If yes, are all churches incorporated?
Nearly all of them.


I will pay no attention to Churchianity whatsoever until churches begin dumping the government protection business racket.
Yes, that means "Christian" that you won't be writing off your Gift to God that the TrueGod allows you to, in that super special, sophisticated arrangement.
How much would Churchians have been giving through the years without that quaint lil' tax break??
I'll let you figure out which God is which.

This contradiction has been pointed out all along around here time and time again. They have been wholly owned, infiltrated, compromised, and all for the 30 pieces of silver. The Judas Church.
Wall St and the Pentagon and Intel moved on from the US religion long ago..they knew they had it wrapped up.

And they will keep it thus until Christianity dumps the State.
The Churches talking all loud and strong right now are they? You lost chumps. You have no authority and no power.

Let's see you dump 501(c)3 protectionist, mammon status.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 2:34 PM  

Religious tyranny isn't the superior alternative to political tyranny. This for many reasons: first the distinction between tyrannies is insecure (which the Peoples Temple of Jim Jones illustrates) and second religious tyrants (or aspiring tyrants) can still be cowards on fundamentals, hounding the powerless over petty things while being unwilling to identify or take on the most powerful forces of corruption.

Raising the temperature of Judeo-Christianity, with more wars for Israel and more harassment of the pure and the just at home, won't help anything. More zeal for doing the will of the Pope, while he beckons in the dark hordes to end the white race, raise up the rule of Islam and tear down the targeted enemies of Zion won't help anything. Following "the religious right" into the Republican Party to serve casino mogul Sheldon Adelson and his fellow lords of vice and misrule won't help anything.

Blogger Groot June 29, 2015 2:36 PM  

@Corvinus:

It's all about the Eurasian Privilege: It's just Not Being Black. In fact, talk to any Asian kid trying to get into a decent college, discovering they're Ultra-White, despite not being white at all.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth June 29, 2015 2:39 PM  

"If you go into San Francisco with a couple of kids, you will receive multiple unsolicited comments about over-breeding from strangers."

I call bullshit. I've been there with my three kids to visit their Aunt hundreds of times and never gotten this kind of comment.


I call BS on your BS. I lived in the SF bay area for six years, and we got that kind of response from people all the time, especially in the city or in Berkeley. When we advanced to having a third kid, the nasty stares and comments increased geometrically.

Maybe you just look enough like a typical progressive that they leave you alone, but if you appear normal / clean-cut they harp on you if you have more than one kid. Conversely, nobody harasses the gays there in any material way (heck, nobody harasses the gays in my conservative community where I live now, either). The hypocrisy is pretty clear.

Anonymous cheddarman June 29, 2015 2:44 PM  

Regarding the above picture of the White House all lit up in fabulous gay colors, the large phallic symbol of the Washington monument on the left of the picture is rather fitting.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2015 2:45 PM  

My hunch? The vast majority will bend over and grab their ankles to keep that precious 501c3.

Yeah, it'll be interesting. The Catholic bishop of Springfield, Illinois, is very much a man of Vatican II; but when he was ordained bishop, he took the names of two saints who were martyred by the state, Thomas More and John Fisher, and he's preached about how that time may be coming again. When Illinois legalized homogamy, he celebrated a Mass of reparations and did the rite of exorcism over the capital, which seriously pissed off a lot of people.

He could do more -- he's still a conciliarist -- but I think he really might go to the wall rather than marry gays, and I certainly know priests who will. Most Catholic clergy won't, and many of them are quietly applauding the ruling and hoping the Church will find a way to capitulate, but a bishop's authority over his diocese is pretty much inviolate. If a bishop says, "No, we're not doing that here. Take away our tax-exempt status if you want, but I'll die before one of my priests does a same-sex marriage," a pope has no authority to make him cave in (and the USCCB has no authority at all).

In short, when the SJWs are ready to force that issue, they won't have any trouble finding a priest and bishop who will absolutely refuse. And of course they won't be satisfied with taking away 501c3; ultimately they'll demand full surrender or else.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth June 29, 2015 2:48 PM  

You are lying, Mike. I call BS on your call of BS on my call of BS of a ridiculous claim.

You think you're funny, but you're really just a jackass with no proof to back up what you say.

I'm really beginning to believe Vox. SJWs always lie.

Blogger cavalier973 June 29, 2015 2:49 PM  

I vowed to stop eating at Chipotle, which was a terrible blow. I explained to my children why, and we tried to go to Chick Fil-A instead, but it was freaking crowded.

Blogger stats June 29, 2015 2:51 PM  

Religious tyranny isn't the superior alternative to political tyranny.

I don't think you really understood his argument. He didn't argue for religious tyranny. Self-restraint and social cohesion is what he meant by religious "tryanny". He was being ironic. Without this religious "tyranny" governments would have recourse only to true tyranny.

Blogger GoldRush Apple June 29, 2015 2:52 PM  

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Blogger Giraffe June 29, 2015 2:53 PM  

Nate is sad because Maker's Mark went full retard. As are we all. But I think Nate is taking it especially hard. So keep the bloggerblaster in your thoughts and prayers. Because he is needed around here, unless someone else can recommend a non SJW bourbon.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth June 29, 2015 2:54 PM  

He was stating that via religious repression, e.g. people mastering themselves with encouragement from their church and community, political repression was not necessary nor could take hold, and that the two are, so some extent, mutually exclusive.

I'm not sure if I entirely agree, but he's got a really good point, and history does seem to back him up.

Anonymous Count Simon de Montfort June 29, 2015 2:54 PM  

Modern-day Catalonia still flies the Aragonese flag of the Cathars.

what should've been done to the reformation (or what should still be done):

http://www.castaliahouse.com/fantasy-villains-and-history/

Blogger automatthew June 29, 2015 2:58 PM  

Guess who "Gay Dude's Friend" is, everybody.

Blogger JartStar June 29, 2015 3:00 PM  

bw,

Do you talk that way to Christians who are members of a church with a 501c status face to face?

Blogger Rabbi B June 29, 2015 3:00 PM  

"Guess who "Gay Dude's Friend" is, everybody."

Three guesses and first two don't count?

Blogger automatthew June 29, 2015 3:02 PM  

Zackly.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2015 3:02 PM  

Can anyone tell me what the Republicans stand for?

Just about anything, eventually.

cailcorishev
Even devout Christians are congenitally inclined to excuse all bad female behavior today, but the fact that a pregnant woman can kill the child at any time makes them even less inclined to say anything negative to her

CM
Well that seems like a pretty valid response…

If you want more babymommas and fewer married women, that is.

It isn't getting pregnant that's the problem... its the sex that is. And you can't say absolutely no one knew she was having sex…

It's the "having sexual intercourse while refusing to be married" that's the problem, dear. And the "getting pregnant" part in this day and age is no accident. It is deliberate. Bristol Palin, if she's knocked up, wanted another baby, but didn't want a husband. So she's just as much of a worthless babymomma as any ghetto hood rat.

Any oh-so-pro-marriage traditional conservative who tries to make excuses for Bristol getting knocked up again is showing the true colors of liberal anti-marriage feminism.

Blogger Brad Andrews June 29, 2015 3:07 PM  

The problem is that these neo-neo-conservatives want to conserve the progress of deviancy.

That is also a big problem I have with many libertarians. They proclaim that we should allow this, that or the other, but fail to realize that allowing it is not sufficient. It quickly shifts to embrace and support, which is really wicked.

Though sin is that way in general. I bites off far more than is desired at the start.

Anonymous Krul June 29, 2015 3:07 PM  

Cortes' thesis is defensible, but I'm not convinced that it's true. There have been examples of political tyranny in Christian countries, haven't there? Savonarola was a political repressor and devout, for example.

Blogger JartStar June 29, 2015 3:08 PM  

The vast majority will bend over and grab their ankles to keep that precious 501c3.

I suspect that nearly all major denominations which have made a public stand against gay marriage will give up their 501c status, and the ones who took the stand but are willing to change to keep the 501c will split.

Even the progressives admit there's little chance of changing the traditional Christian denominations at this point, and that's why the knives are coming out.

Blogger Brad Andrews June 29, 2015 3:09 PM  

The problem is that these neo-neo-conservatives want to conserve the progress of deviancy.

That is also a big problem I have with many libertarians. They proclaim that we should allow this, that or the other, but fail to realize that allowing it is not sufficient. It quickly shifts to embrace and support, which is really wicked.

Though sin is that way in general. I bites off far more than is desired at the start.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2015 3:10 PM  

non SJW bourbon.

Ezra Brooks, as far as I know. Problem is, with so many liquor distillers now part of some multinational conglomerate it's more and more difficult to step away from the rainbow boot.

I'm thinking about the Apostle Paul's letter to the church in Corinth, and meat sacrificed to idols, as the world slides further into paganism we better pay attention.

Blogger stats June 29, 2015 3:11 PM  

Cortes' thesis is defensible, but I'm not convinced that it's true. There have been examples of political tyranny in Christian countries, haven't there? Savonarola was a political repressor and devout, for example.

What! Savonarola was a monk and a preacher. He never held political office.

Blogger CM June 29, 2015 3:14 PM  

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Blogger Mike Farnsworth June 29, 2015 3:14 PM  

Let's see you dump 501(c)3 protectionist, mammon status.

So, if I pay my taxes I'm acceding to the authority of the state and I don't really control the fruits of my labors. But if I find a way to reduce my tax liability as much as possible, I'm acceding to mammon and the state as well. Gotcha.

And the government is doing just a fantastic job of protecting freedom of religion and churches these days, so dropping 501(3)c status and paying taxes will just totally validate and improve that state of affairs for churches, right?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 3:17 PM  

Was Henry VIII's reign an illustration of:
* religious repression (there was plenty of that), meaning that there could not be any political tyranny?
* political tyranny (there was plenty of that too), meaning that there could not be any religious repression?
* unsullied freedom, and never mind the tens of thousands of arbitrary executions, the plundered abbeys and so on?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 3:20 PM  

Brad Andrews: "The problem is that these neo-neo-conservatives want to conserve the progress of deviancy."

I don't think that's the problem but it's certainly a problem.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey June 29, 2015 3:25 PM  

The ancient Pagans behaved with dignity, nobility, and honour compared to modern Christians and atheists.

Blogger Rabbi B June 29, 2015 3:26 PM  

"And the government is doing just a fantastic job of protecting freedom of religion and churches these days, so dropping 501(3)c status and paying taxes will just totally validate and improve that state of affairs for churches, right?"

Also, I believe that 501(c)3 status simply exempts the organization from paying federal income tax on the donations, but it does not exempt the minister who pays self-employment taxes (15%) on his income, barring a 'vow of poverty' status. In that case the minister is exempt from FICA and any social security benefits related to that income.

I suppose we could all just stop rendering to Caesar and see how it goes.

Blogger CM June 29, 2015 3:26 PM  

I should not be trying to write, much less reason right now.

Paradigm, you are right. I was trying to say that. I got distracted by the pretty, prancing NAWALT.

Just because the rule exists doesn't mean there's no room to use discernment and see people as individuals.

Not everyone is a Hester or a Tess.

Anonymous Bz June 29, 2015 3:26 PM  

If anyone's wondering what's next, consider this German tech guy. First line: GAY SQUEE. Then some tech items. Then next to last: NOW ITS TIME FOR POLYGAMY. So it would seem the orders have already been sent out.

http://chneukirchen.org/trivium/2015-06-29

It's really quite blatant, isn't it? Be prepared.

Anonymous bw June 29, 2015 3:27 PM  

Maker's Mark went full retard

It seems awfully difficult for most people to follow the money and history and grasp that your very life-blood has been used against you to degrade your very existence and your children's to the point of serfdom, or outright non-existence.
It is the Corps that are the spearhead, not the State, but they do feed each other, and both use "our money" against us, one given freely and the other coerced.
OPM - that's yours - to screw you and yours is in point of fact the ritual mockery of the "capitalist" true believers.

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 3:29 PM  

Was Henry VIII's reign an illustration of:
* religious repression (there was plenty of that), meaning that there could not be any political tyranny?
* political tyranny (there was plenty of that too), meaning that there could not be any religious repression?


@Whitey McWhite
Henry VIII's reign was a campaign against religious repression -- i.e., his insistence on getting a divorce, and therefore also telling the Church to go take a hike -- increasing political repression.

Anonymous Krul June 29, 2015 3:29 PM  

stats - "What! Savonarola was a monk and a preacher. He never held political office."

He never held office, but he definitely had enough influence to wield power in Florence, as his wiki entry shows:

Wiki - "Savonarola led a delegation to the camp of the French king in mid-November 1494. He pressed Charles to spare Florence and enjoined him to take up his divinely appointed role as the reformer of the Church. After a short, tense occupation of the city, and another intervention by fra Girolamo (as well as the promise of a huge subsidy), the French resumed their journey southward on November 28, 1494...

With Savonarola’s advice and support (as a non-citizen and cleric he was ineligible to hold office), a Savonarolan political "party," dubbed ‘the Frateschi,’ took shape and steered the friar’s program through the councils...

Buoyed by liberation and prophetic promise, the Florentines embraced Savonarola’s campaign to rid the city of "vice". At his repeated insistence, new laws were passed against "sodomy" (which included male and female same-sex relations), adultery, public drunkenness, and other moral transgressions, while his lieutenant fra Silvestro Maruffi organized boys and young men to patrol the streets to curb immodest dress and behavior."

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 3:30 PM  

Of course, a campaign against religious repression paradoxically leads to religious repression for those who don't want to toss out the Church.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 3:32 PM  

Compare Henry VIII to Vladimir Putin, who is promoting Christianity and the strength of his nation without resort to any tyranny worth noticing by Henry's standard.

By the way:

A spokesman for the Russian Orthodox Church has called on all those who idolize the American democratic model to take a hard look at themselves after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled to legalize same-sex marriage, Interfax reported Sunday.

...Vsevolod Chaplin, a Russian Orthodox Church spokesman, decried the decision to legalize such a "godless and sinful thing" and warned his compatriots to be wary of the values that the current U.S. leadership is trying to impose on other countries, Interfax reported.

"In reality they want to take away your right to live by faith … to take away the possibility of building the life of your society and your state based on the eternal and unchanging moral laws dictated by God," the priest was quoted as saying.

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Yes, exactly.

Long live Russia.

Blogger CM June 29, 2015 3:34 PM  

Whitey -

Early, pre-Anne, I'd say religious repression...

During & post Anne, political tyranny. Seeing the great Defender of the Faith throw it off to get what he wanted probably had huge consequences on his whole court.

Certainly beheading More hurt the country's religious repression... why follow God when you could lose your head over it?

Anonymous bw June 29, 2015 3:37 PM  

so dropping 501(3)c status and paying taxes will just totally validate and improve that state of affairs for churches, right?

Are you tall enough for this ride? The history goes like this:
The churches were not that and the State was not that.
Now the churches are that and the State is that.

As someone pointed out earlier, you don't even understand the speech quoted in the thread. You yourself admitted you don't agree with it or that you're ignorant concerning it.
Try again, Mikey.
You're literally too stupid to understand the very simple argument even - the State has the power it does because it bought the Church(actually the Barrons bought it and the State, but you can't even walk yet, much less run, son).
The first thing that is bought is the principle and the psyche. Then the little excuse bitches like yourself reinforce it.

Make your case: the state of the Church is the due to the Power of the State.

Blogger Daniel June 29, 2015 3:37 PM  

Now NASCAR wants to distance itself from the battle flag...it is like the final incantation of a delusional wizard that is supposed to turn everyone into zombies.

Just the good ol’ boys,
Never meanin’ no harm,
Beats all you’ve ever saw, been in trouble
With the law so they better conform.

Curvin' the straights!
Flatnin’ the chests.
Today the PC might approve ‘em,
But PC never rests.

Makin’ their way,
The only way they know how,
That’s just a little bend at the waist
Not a full-blown kowtow.

Just good ol’ boys,
Wouldn’t change a bit darlin',
Fightin’ social evil like
a true modern day Josef Stalin.

The funny thing is that they probably could have held their SJW trinkets for a bit longer had they actively tried to slow down the pace of the advancing theocracy. Of course, that isn't logical either: once they start the ball rolling, the devil takes control and the only thing he thinks is "faster, faster." SJW is a magical scroll that addicts the reader to its stream of outcomes on the basis of one or two forseen benefits.

Eventually, it summons demons.

Demons like us.

Blogger The Requital June 29, 2015 3:45 PM  

Spiritual decay.

Blogger CarpeOro June 29, 2015 3:48 PM  

"This postulate an either-or fallacy. We don't need any form of repression whatsoever. "

Not sure your reading comprehension is up to this. A simple translation for you:
Either people put constraints on themselves (because of moral concern which if you have read this blog stems from religion) or an outside agency, government, will create restraints. In societies where God is abandoned government steps in more and more. By it's nature "Government Is Not Reason, It Is Not Eloquence — It Is Force" and the more force is relied on the more it seeks control in an ever spiraling circle until like a collapsing star it explodes from its own weight and destroys itself and/or the society it seeks to control.

Anonymous Bz June 29, 2015 3:50 PM  

In some countries, tirelessly marching past the presidential palace beating pots and pans has worked to overthrow the regime. It takes a while though, and it works best if more and more people join in. Those Christians whose churches are stolen could do that for instance.

Anonymous anonymous coward June 29, 2015 4:05 PM  

NOW ITS TIME FOR POLYGAMY

Certainly not. Two points:

a) Polygamy is a Muslim thing, and the USA State Department isn't going to support anything that is favored by Iran or Russia's "moderate Muslims".

b) Polygamy is a huge step up from the degeneracy of the promiscuous non-committed sexual relations that the progressives are pushing for so hard. They're never going to agree to something that lowers the intensity of degeneracy.

What's next is pedophilia -- in the form of a slippery slope of lowered age of consent, coupled with "children's rights", a.k.a. socialized parenting.

Give it a few years, though -- they had to up the pedophile hysteria to make 'gay rights' palatable to the public, and shifting gears in a 180 degree about-turn will take time, the built-up inertia is immense.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 4:06 PM  

In light of the Supreme Court's decision, Facebook created an application that allows users to cover their profile pictures with a transparent filter in the colors of the LGBT rainbow flag. Rishat Shigapov, a Facebook user who heads a digital marketing agency, responded to the rainbow-flag app by creating a separate program allowing users to cover their profile photos with the colors of the Russian flag. Revealing his new tricolor profile photo, Shigapov wrote on his Facebook page: "I'm Russian and I'm proud."

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America now stands officially for the forced celebration of homosexuality and the legal equation of habitual sodomy with holy matrimony.

Russia... doesn't.

Long live Russia.

Blogger YIH June 29, 2015 4:07 PM  

Here in a nutshell is how a 501c3 works:
Just like any other corp it has a Chairman/CEO and Board of Directors. They can all be employees and draw salaries. Let's say the board is five member; The founder is Chairman and typically his wife is on the board as well. The other three must be unrelated (IOW, it can't be a man, his wife and three children). That's what is known as ''an arm's length board'' because it can, in theory, outvote the CEO and his wife (but rarely happens).
Of course, the stock in the corp is not tradeable, nor can the corp turn a profit/pay dividends.
It can however have and pay staff salaries. They can also buy ads to raise funds (and pay Sally Blubbers to do them) they can and do hire phone banks to beg (If I could only send a bullet down the phone line... *sigh*).
They can pay an attorney (and they often need one) and a CPA to document what goes in and what goes out.
Per IRS rules, 90% collected in donations can: Pay staff and 'fundraise' (see above).
The other 10% must be spent on 'program' related work (church/church property maintenance, utilities, ect) and have some sort of demonstrable function (such as feeding Starvin' Marvin).
As many know, until recently the NFL (the league as a whole, not the 32 franchises) was a ''non-profit''.
It's income was licensing NFL merch (like Vox's Vikings shirt) and it's outgo was Baddel's salary, league office and related staff. And the refs, their salaries and bennies.
What was left over, the ''profit'' went to the NFL Foundation instead of being booked as revenue and taxed as such. Now the IRS gets it's cut and the NFL no longer has to fund the NFL Foundation in any way.
My guess is for PR reasons they will continue as before and not divvy up the profit among the teams. Except for the Raiders 1/32 share, of course - they claim they use that money for charity work of their own, but who knows?
Mind you, any charity/non-profit has legit expenses, the only one that can claim 'pure' status is the USMC, they can honestly say 100% of the money they raise goes for Toys - for Tots.
All other expenses (such as transporting the toys) are on the Corps tab.

Blogger kh123 June 29, 2015 4:11 PM  

...Someone get a pair of binoculars to Samuel Scott, quick. He may be having a hard time seeing us from Israel, up in our fabulous multicolored grove overlooking the entire earth. He may just miss our Fire Decrees and Enabling Acts being passed. Look higher!

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 4:11 PM  

CM - interesting take.

I probably won't agree, but I don't have a snappy reply. I'd rather think about it.

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 4:13 PM  

What's next is pedophilia -- in the form of a slippery slope of lowered age of consent, coupled with "children's rights", a.k.a. socialized parenting.

@anonymous coward
I actually don't see this happening, since it would also legalize jailbait. No more throwing men in jail for sleeping with 16-year-old girls.

I suppose they could go to the ridiculous extreme of lowering the age of consent for same-sex relations only. Given the nationwide gay-marriage circle-jerk, I'm sure they could find a way to rationalize it.

Blogger Joshua_D June 29, 2015 4:21 PM  

S.E. Cupp? Seriously? S. E. Cupp ... C-Cup?

Bwaahaaahaa! Natch.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW. June 29, 2015 4:25 PM  

This guy claims that the less intelligent still oppose gay marriage.

He seems to forget that there are a lot more people with IQs lower than 110 than above 110.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth June 29, 2015 4:27 PM  

Are you tall enough for this ride?

My own church came into existence quite in opposition to the populace and the US government, and survived despite the government's best shot at eradicating it, despite clear Constitutional violations of said government. Yet, we continue to believe in following the law, and following Christ's counsel to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Go re-read my comment about the speech, slowly this time, for comprehension. Don't lie, it makes you look bad. I reserved judgment as I wasn't sure if there was a counterexample, and said history seems to support the argument. That's a far cry from "disagree".

Many churches exist and have power because of God, members' faith in God, and/or members' hard work, despite the state. Your assertion that any church that tries to follow the rule of law is somehow only legitimized by the power of the state is silly. Churches, even incorporated churches that work to increase "religious oppression" (self-government of individuals because they focus on following God's laws), will have the effect of decreasing the need for and power of the state, thus providing an alternate route to de-legitimization of leviathan and making that incorporation status utterly meaningless. Before that point, any church that uses the law to its advantage and works within the (even odious) constraints given it by the state to improve the people in regards to obedience to God's laws and commandments is then precisely workign to undo the power of mammon.

You're just like the SJWs doing the Alinsky thing holding the opposition to their own rulebook. Except you made that rule up. Christ used the state and elite's laws and rules against them to outsmart them, while still preaching against what was evil, illegitimate, and hypocritical. Seems legit for churches to continue doing the same thing today, no?

Oh, and I'll keep donating to my church even if it were to lose its tax-exempt status, and so would everyone else in my congregation, despite your insinuation otherwise. True christianity is a way of life, not a piddly little tax break.

Anonymous anonymous coward June 29, 2015 4:27 PM  

I actually don't see this happening, since it would also legalize jailbait. No more throwing men in jail for sleeping with 16-year-old girls.

You're not current on the trends. One of the latest and greatest outrages is the so-called "rape culture" -- that is, the idea that 'rape' is when the woman agrees to have sex with a man she doesn't like.

In the brave new world they don't even need to charge with pedophilia to throw a man in jail.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW June 29, 2015 4:31 PM  

A spokesman for the Russian Orthodox Church has called on all those who idolize the American democratic model to take a hard look at themselves after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled to legalize same-sex marriage, Interfax reported Sunday.

I begin to smell a rat. Is it all a pretext for getting a majority to vote for attacking Russia?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 4:35 PM  

anonymous coward: "You're not current on the trends."

At the rate things are getting worse, it's hard to be current on all the trends.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 4:44 PM  

The Requital: "Spiritual decay."

Imposed, inflicted, enforced spiritual decay.

Spiritual decay as ethnic, racial and religious warfare.

The rot is from the head down, not the bottom up.

Anonymous A Visitor June 29, 2015 4:55 PM  

"A Conservative commentator has tearfully urged the Republican Party to accept gay marriage to prevent the party becoming a 'relic."

Just like a family member that does not understand, if you leave on social issues, what different are you than the other major party? Well, nothing except lower taxes and a stronger military.

"In a plea to the GOP, Cupp said the party would lose voters if it continued to argue over the Supreme Court’s decision or its right to dictate to individual states."

If they continue to seek national suicide (amnesty), refuse to lower legal immigration, and/or give up on social issues, they will lose voters (the ones that matter, the ones that would vote for them). As it is, they've lost one already.

"My party, which I deeply love...really has to reconcile with the fact that we are going to be become relics if we don't get to where these people are. "

Become relics then. Let the Constitution Party replace you. Barring that, maybe those of us that care (who are a minority in the country) will start to view laws and rulings the way Italians do, as suggestions.

"If people want "human dignity", then they need to earn it by behaving in a dignified manner, not by throwing "pride" parades and behaving like pagans."

Last year, the morning after my sister's wedding (which with a friend and two cousins carried on till probably three or four am), I stepped outside to drive home from a hotel downtown. I see rainbow shirts, a dude walks by with a Bronie rainbow tail and it dawns on me. I turn to my cousin and say, "Yep, gay pride parade."

Personally, I believe homosexual actions are an abomination and are gravely immoral. Having said that, I do not seek to forcibly remove free will from someone. Homosexuals, like pediophiles and murderers, have always existed (I am not going to get into the debate over whether it's a choice or being born that way) and will exist till the end of time. Pushing acceptance of them by court order (Friday) or laws will not endear anyone to them. Keep it in the closet. A perfect example of that would be Matt Drudge.

Furthermore, the rainbow is ours! Like all other symbols you on the Left have destroyed, we'll reclaim it in due time. How about you all use something else, maybe like that dildo and buttplug ISIS flag?

@JartSTar I read an article this morning in Time calling for removal of tax exempt status for religious institutions, that the government was subsidizing them.

"Can anyone tell me what the Republicans stand for? What is their purpose? Why should they even continue to exist?" This is what needs to be asked!

"The attitude of conservatives towards allowing homosexual military members seems to be following the same trajectory as their attitude towards allowing women to serve in combat — opposition followed by acquiescence followed by celebration."

At a base that shall remain nameless in the western U.S. I knew of at least one person leaving due to the introduction of women into frontline combat units. One can imagine homos having been in open service will accelerate the trend.

Anonymous A Visitor June 29, 2015 4:55 PM  

"The sad thing is that Christians still have power in numbers. All we have to do is withdraw consent from the system. If just 50% of the people in California withdraw their children from public schools over the forced vaccinations issue, the law would be overturned in less than a week."

Try explaining that to persons who may mean well but really believe that homos are upwards of 50% of the population when in reality they are 2%. Transgenders, per Drudge, are 0.0125%.

I am all for sticking it to companies that are in favor of this ruling. Finding replacements will take some time though.

"I don't fly because of the TSA." Delta jumped into the gay fray too.

@TroperA That's my plan right now...buy only what I need, starve the beast. I just need to find a decent woman and then start making an army...

"This will be the interesting part where we'll have a chance to see if American churches will stand strong and allow their coveted 501C3 status be stripped from them when they refuse to recognize ssm, or cave in." Any that caves will no longer receive my support.

"And sometimes they shack up as a couple and buy little dogs." Knew such a "couple" in high school that were neighbors of a drinking buddy. They liked sweet vermouth.

"If you Theocrats want to give up all the Millennial votes, please go ahead. We will take over and bury you." More of us Millenials are right wing then you fools realize. Go ahead, keep pushing us further right. Just as I was not nearly as politically incorrect before Dear Leader was elected, my hatred of homosexuality as a sin has crossed a new threshold since Friday. Keep pushing us...I dare ya.

@Scuzzaman Thanks for making me smile.

"Based on what I've seen recently at a very traditional church, the pervasive influence of feminism, combined with legal abortion, makes it almost impossible to find anyone who will scold an unmarried woman for getting knocked up." Generally true but have seen an exception first hand

"Nate is sad because Maker's Mark went full retard. As are we all. But I think Nate is taking it especially hard. So keep the bloggerblaster in your thoughts and prayers. Because he is needed around here, unless someone else can recommend a non SJW bourbon."

Really? Hell! What about Jack?

"A spokesman for the Russian Orthodox Church "

Ah, yes, the religious arm of the Soviet Union and, now, the Russian Federation...don't be fooled. Putin does token measures but the man is an autocrat scumsucker.

@Daniel

I am not a NASCAR fan but given all the hype I'll probably buy one just to piss people off.

"In some countries, tirelessly marching past the presidential palace beating pots and pans has worked to overthrow the regime. It takes a while though, and it works best if more and more people join in."

Or you end up like some Venzuelans outside of Miraflores Palace years ago...yeah, Chávez died in the end but not due to them.

Finally, to celebrate heterosexuality, here's a Nancy Ajram video I saw on Friday night out while enjoying a hookah.

Easy boys, she's married.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2015 4:57 PM  

Polygamy is a huge step up from the degeneracy of the promiscuous non-committed sexual relations that the progressives are pushing for so hard. They're never going to agree to something that lowers the intensity of degeneracy.

Right. While most Christian churches have preached monogamy, we also understand that God certainly allowed polygamy in the past, so it's not deviant. Also, polygamy fits just fine with patriarchy, and they certainly don't want that. I personally don't think polygamy is the best model for civilization, but it's not overtly anti-civilization, and that's what they're looking for. Unofficial patriarchy -- women practicing serial monogamy with the top 20% of men -- already gives them the negative aspects of polygamy without the positive ones, so they have no reason to make it official. Similar deal with Muslims: they'll let Muslims do it unofficially, because that way their extra wives qualify for more government assistance, putting an extra burden on the country that way.

As someone else pointed out, the poster children for polygamy are the Mormons, and SJWs hate them. The last thing they'd want would be white Christian men picking up extra wives and being kings of their castles again in the way that implies.

What's next is pedophilia

Yep. The whole point is to chip away at civilized norms, and that's one of the few left. Though I think the focus may be on trannies for a while.

Anonymous don't track me bro June 29, 2015 4:59 PM  

Pederasty is the end goal, but incest between consenting adults is their next move. There've been some canaries in the news lately, and the porn scene is exploding with incest-themed content, unlikely to be a grass roots movement.

Anonymous 334 June 29, 2015 5:10 PM  

@89. Giraffe

Sucked big time for me to give up my quad espresso at Starbucks too. But I've found other compensations. And my conscience is untroubled at least.

Blogger M Cephas June 29, 2015 5:12 PM  

The same human dignity as everyone else?

They've always had the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like everyone else. They don't want "the same human dignity".

They want to redefine marriage. The same way they want to pretend a so called sex change is an actual changing of someone's sex. We all know a man is not a woman, and never will be. And that a woman is not a man. They want to pretend otherwise.

There is no dignity in hating themselves so much to want to mutilate themselves in an attempt to become another sex. There is no dignity in sodomizing a man, or a man to be sodomized, or some lesbian to dawn a fake penis and try to be something she isn't.

They don't want human dignity. They regularly degrade each other more than we ever could.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 29, 2015 5:14 PM  

Gays and Lesbos are a creation of propaganda here today very unpopular tomorrow, and I'm speaking of the politically active part. Give any of the Left's propaganda campaigns a couple of days and they descend into parody, farce and poor taste.

Without going all biblical and shit, they are basically into the territory of one good cut down and they are finished, they frankly need your tears and "outrage" to survive.

Anonymous Steve June 29, 2015 5:26 PM  

Furthermore, the rainbow is ours! Like all other symbols you on the Left have destroyed, we'll reclaim it in due time.

Yes. When I see a rainbow, I think of upbeat, positive, happy things.

The end of the Flood. Kermit the Frog sitting on a log, singing. The Bifrost Bridge. A stick of rock from a seaside town. The Commodore Amiga. Leprechauns.

The elgibbity flag should be a more appropriate colour, like 'strangely brown'. Or 'purple velvet'.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth June 29, 2015 5:37 PM  

I'd like to offer a story to contrast the two sides here.

During the lead-up to the vote on prop 8 in CA, my wife and others went around rallying and cheering for prop 8 at a few key locations, including the pedestrian bridge over I-80 in Berkeley. They put up a big banner over one side of the freeway, and the anti-prop-8 people came to put one up over the other side. My wife and the others with her were called all sorts of nasty names by passers-by as they stayed there, while nary a word against the others were spoken.

The pro-prop-8 people were parents with kids, and all pretty normal and good-looking people. The anti-prop-8 people looked like wispy homosexual druggies, and they had their little yappy dogs with them.

The next day, our pro people went to put up their banner again, and then left for a bit. When they came back, the anti folks were there, struggling to get their banner up on the other side again due to the wind. So our people helped them get it secured, and then walked over to our banner and started cheering for it as cars passed under.

The stunned silence and look on the anti folks' faces was just priceless.

Anonymous Axe Head June 29, 2015 5:50 PM  

That Prop 8 story tells us we will prevail with SUPER NICENESS.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 29, 2015 5:53 PM  

OMG the gays want to debate religion, does this not take away from those asshole atheists?

You see politically this is coming down to money with the 503s and their rainbow churches versus your less than rainbow but still tolerant 503 churches, I'm sorry folks but I see the advantage to those who can actually argue Christianity versus those who listen to halfwit preachers who would be better off being manwhores on Castro St.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW June 29, 2015 5:55 PM  

Get in their faces seems to be the best approach.

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 5:57 PM  

As someone else pointed out, the poster children for polygamy are the Mormons, and SJWs hate them. The last thing they'd want would be white Christian men picking up extra wives and being kings of their castles again in the way that implies.

@Cail Corishev
Only problem is, Mormons are now monogamous, except for the FLDS. The only large group of polygamists nowadays are the Afro-Muslims, so the SJWs may in fact let it become legal to further spite Western civilization.

And even if the LDS does legalize polygamy after Fedgov does, it wouldn't affect the SJWs' support for it one way or the other.

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 5:58 PM  

After all, the main thrust of any SJW cause is to try to make their own ugly asses more attractive. Polygamy would be a great way to do that.

Blogger David-093 June 29, 2015 6:04 PM  

@A Visitor

"More of us Millenials are right wing then you fools realize. Go ahead, keep pushing us further right. Just as I was not nearly as politically incorrect before Dear Leader was elected, my hatred of homosexuality as a sin has crossed a new threshold since Friday. Keep pushing us...I dare ya."

Amen to that. I've noticed on Facebook that the right wing Millennials have now gone militant over their opposition to this. And there's a lot of them too.

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 6:09 PM  

More of us Millenials are right wing then you fools realize. Go ahead, keep pushing us further right. Just as I was not nearly as politically incorrect before Dear Leader was elected, my hatred of homosexuality as a sin has crossed a new threshold since Friday. Keep pushing us...I dare ya.

@A Visitor
Yeah, I used to be more tolerant of homosexuals in my twenties. Now I can't stand them, except for a subset of lesbians who have a soft spot for me.

Amen to that. I've noticed on Facebook that the right wing Millennials have now gone militant over their opposition to this. And there's a lot of them too.

@David-093
Haven't seen that where I am. It's a constant rainbow circle-jerk, although I credit that to there being no Brendan Eich-style repercussions for SJWs who use their real names. Even the Christians are subdued about it, or actually even mildly supportive. The most anti-SJW activity I've seen is carefully-written sarcastic trolling suggesting that "discriminating" against gay marriage is the same as discriminating against incest or polygamy or bestiality... that kind of thing.

Blogger Corvinus June 29, 2015 6:11 PM  

The most anti-SJW activity I've seen is carefully-written sarcastic trolling suggesting that "discriminating" against gay marriage is the same as discriminating against incest or polygamy or bestiality... that kind of thing.

Also, older people over the age of about 50.

Blogger Tom June 29, 2015 6:19 PM  

Even the Christians are subdued about it, or actually even mildly supportive

Eat their lunch, I say.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2015 6:21 PM  

CM
Paradigm, you are right. I was trying to say that. I got distracted by the pretty, prancing NAWALT.

Ok...

Just because the rule exists doesn't mean there's no room to use discernment and see people as individuals.

I discern that if Bristol Palin births another bastard by a different babydaddy than her first, she's just as big a slutty babymomma as any hood rat with an EBT card. What's your point?

Not everyone is a Hester or a Tess.

Actions speak louder than words. To support bastardy, even for the most sentimental of reasons, is still a way to tear down marriages. Nothing personal, mind you, just facts.

Anonymous MendoScot June 29, 2015 6:27 PM  

God gave Noah
The rainbow sign
No more water
The fire next time

Blogger Mike Farnsworth June 29, 2015 6:30 PM  

That Prop 8 story tells us we will prevail with SUPER NICENESS.

Heh, I wouldn't personally take that approach anymore, because I think they've already clearly taken the gloves off. It's getting to be bare knuckles time now, so to speak.

Prop 8 did win, so at the time it was more appropriate.

Get in their faces seems to be the best approach.

Getting in someone's face preemptively is a harder call, but being the big scary bouncer throwing out the SJWs at the door is still pretty effective.

Blogger dolokov June 29, 2015 6:36 PM  

vox why are you disparaging pagans by comparing them to these freaks in pride parades, it's a little unfair on our pagan ancestors

Blogger CM June 29, 2015 6:37 PM  

Paradigm, i was agreeing with you.

Not sarcastically.

I'm not talking about bristol palin... and to you she was just an example... not all churches can be responsible for not speaking out against her backwards pregnancy.

I got caught up in championing "the exception to the rule" instead of acknowledging the rule as fact in my first response to you.

Its why i came back and said you were right... because after i got past the initial "feelings", my brain was able to reason out your facts.

Anyway, this conversation has had enough air time since we agree (not sarcastically).

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 29, 2015 6:38 PM  

A fantastic example of exactly how fucking stupid the subject of homosexual "marriage" makes leftists. The author of this very thoughtful piece is not some random Slate hack, but an official advisor to the Obama administration. http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/29/can-gay-marriage-defeat-the-islamic-state/

Chuck and Larry vs. Muhammad and Abdul. Yeah, I think we know who wins this.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2015 6:49 PM  

After all, the main thrust of any SJW cause is to try to make their own ugly asses more attractive. Polygamy would be a great way to do that.

I've known a few polyamorists -- scary-looking, every one of them -- so I know what you mean. Some SJWs will want it, but I don't see George Soros whipping out his checkbook for a big push on polygamy. Not when there are much tastier targets, like using trannies to attack the very idea of male and female, or attacking the parent-child bond by giving homosexuals access to young boys. Also, modern feminism depends on the child-support system which depends on monogamy. It could be reworked without it, but it'd take some doing.

To put it another way, what would (will) Satan do? Would he push one of those truly horrible deviancies, or try to bring back the marital system of the Patriarchs of the Old Testament which had its pros and cons?

Blogger Giraffe June 29, 2015 7:00 PM  

@334
Sucked big time for me to give up my quad espresso at Starbucks too. But I've found other compensations. And my conscience is untroubled at least.

Since both Coca Cola and Pepsico signed the Pro-gay amicus brief I guess it would be a great time for me to drop soft drinks and get serious about losing some weight. It occurs to me I would be remiss if I didn't let them know why.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz June 29, 2015 7:18 PM  

Bumper sticker from several years ago...."Rainbows, are just G-d's way of frowning at Gay people"

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2015 7:37 PM  

CM
I'm not talking about bristol palin... and to you she was just an example…

Well, she's an example of what's wrong with a lot of people's thinking and actions. Starting with her family, but extending out to a lot of the "pro family" GOP.

not all churches can be responsible for not speaking out against her backwards pregnancy.

Disagree. "Can" in this context means "is able". There's nothing keeping any church from preaching against fornication, not in the physical sensed. That many churches are not willing to do so in no way proves they are not able. They can do so, they just don't want to.

I got caught up in championing "the exception to the rule" instead of acknowledging the rule as fact in my first response to you.

Ok.

Its why i came back and said you were right... because after i got past the initial "feelings", my brain was able to reason out your facts.

Good enough, carry on.

Anonymous Watcher June 29, 2015 7:52 PM  

"Either people put constraints on themselves (because of moral concern which if you have read this blog stems from religion) or an outside agency, government, will create restraints."

Except that in the case of the recent Supreme Court ruling the government is not creating any restraints but is instead encouraging licentiousness with legal approval.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2015 8:00 PM  

> Except that in the case of the recent Supreme Court ruling the government is not creating any restraints but is instead encouraging licentiousness with legal approval.

Opposing homosexuality is now considered as odious as racism, justified with the backing of the Law. Show me there are no restraints on freedom of opinion from that.

The very fact that one can argue that homosexuality is immoral, but can't argue being negroid or oriental or caucasian is inherently immoral, proves that they are different categories than homosexuality.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 29, 2015 8:05 PM  

Bumper sticker from several years ago...."Rainbows, are just G-d's way of frowning at Gay people"

Not gonna drown you no mo'.

Heating up the grill ....

Anonymous kfg June 29, 2015 8:18 PM  

" . . . modern feminism depends on the child-support system which depends on . . ."

. . . children. Monogamy is not a necessary condition for children. Both feminists and the child support system are perfectly happy clubbing three men for three babies for one woman, and, in at least a few cases, two men for one baby.

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 June 29, 2015 8:28 PM  

I think 501(c)3 status should be abolished across the board. No more Rockefeller, Ford, Tides, Clinton foundations allowed to do evil at what is effectively taxpayer expense. Churches would lose that status too, but so what? Churches (or any other persons/entities) are not subject to taxation of donations/gifts made to them even without 501(c)3 status. Donors would lose a tax deduction if they itemized (most don't) and wouldn't be subject to gift taxes unless they exceeded their $5.43 million lifetime exclusion and only then if they exceeded the $14000 annual exclusion that doesn't count against the lifetime total. Exemptions from property taxes are a state matter and typically require on non-profit status irrespective of tax status.

But it would hurt those lefty foundations and "charities" right where it hurts: their pocketbooks... both from donors and in the area of Federal grants (although one presumes that the feds could find another way to give them taxpayer money, if not a method that is an easy a sell as the current one).

Burn the current "charity" exemption to the ground.

Anonymous Daniel H June 29, 2015 8:48 PM  

@ Stilicho 167.

Likewise tax the huge endowments that Harvard, Yale, Stanford, et. al. have built up, or compel them to spend it. These institutions, collectively, must be sitting on close to $60 billion, maybe more. The vast capital that they deploy and the prestige and power that it brings allow them to place their kind in the nomenklatura, tyrannizing the rest of us.

Blogger Mark Citadel June 29, 2015 8:52 PM  

Let's endeavor never to mention the festering zit that is 'S.E. Cupp' again.

I have a piece upcoming this week where I'm going to take Conservatism to the woodshed for the utter failure it is. Stay Right. Stay REACTIVE.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2015 9:13 PM  

I just happened to be involved in a social situation at my sister's on Friday where the gay/straight ratio was 60/40.

One guy complained that everyone was asking him when he was going to get married, and it was annoying. The 2 lesbians, Lisa Lisa, got married bcz one was a romantic and the other did not have a strong opinion, and they were all shocked that my sister and her beau were not married even though they had been together 30 years. The big selling point for marriage to the gay people was protection of property, not the right to love who you want like the rhetorical homos claim.

My sister and brother-out-law came across as more socially and politically evolved and wanting to keep the State out of their business as much as possible, and they are not even libertarians.

I managed to retain my status as a neutral observer, recording anthropological material.

Blogger Bard June 29, 2015 9:16 PM  

Sooo, SC cannot fly the confederate flag, but the white house can literally BE the homoflag? No problem here.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad June 29, 2015 9:18 PM  

> Let's endeavor never to mention the festering zit that is 'S.E. Cupp' again.


Or, we could peck that thing till it bleeds out and falls from its perch, dead as Tad's brain.

Blogger GoldRush Apple June 29, 2015 9:23 PM  

>>I just happened to be involved in a social situation at my sister's on Friday where the gay/straight ratio was 60/40.

60/40? Was it a theme party or was it just how it happened?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 9:30 PM  

Bard: "Sooo, SC cannot fly the confederate flag, but the white house can literally BE the homoflag?"

Right. It's not about fairness, it's about revolution. There is an anti-white, anti-straight, anti-male, anti-Christian, anti-gentile revolution from above. And the only thing that would stop it is a revolution from below.

Official, empowered, actually-existing America is evil. It's not neutral, or "flawed" or any evasive formula like that. It's an enemy of what C.S. Lewis called the Tao.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2015 9:35 PM  

>60/40? Was it a theme party or was it just how it happened?

Turns out gay people like free liquor. Plus, the survey sample was only 7. It was more an accidental patio party.

No, it just happened. Gentrified neighbourhood. Gays seem to like that sort of thing.

Blogger Bard June 29, 2015 9:38 PM  

Whitey,
I don't disagree. But "the only thing that would stop it" will not organize in time. There will be resistance, but this train has too much momentum. Nothing shocking anymore. Hell, even I knew this was going to happen despite praying over it. I lacked conviction. Felt like God was handing it over and I was just praying because I was supposed to.

Blogger Bard June 29, 2015 9:40 PM  

Not being defeatist, more realistic. This is inevitable and probably necessary.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2015 9:49 PM  

Sooo, SC cannot fly the confederate flag, but the white house can literally BE the homoflag?

Yes. And the president can come out and solemnly recite some pablum about how the victors should know there are people of good will on the other side so we should all respect each other's opinions, then go back inside the Homo House (which is nothing less than a big middle finger to America) and have a good laugh at all the conservatives and moderates who fall for that ploy by stifling their rhetoric to match him on the high road.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 29, 2015 9:58 PM  

OT, but part of SJWs always lie:

The Daily Mail, which on many a morning increasingly feels like the last newspaper on earth, reports that Sir Tim's lynch mob was set on him by an "academic" called Connie St Louis, whose bio at City University states:

Connie St Louis . . . is an award-winning freelance broadcaster, journalist, writer and scientist.

She presents and produces a range of programmes for BBC Radio 4 and BBC World Service . . . She writes for numerous outlets, including The Independent, Daily Mail, The Guardian, The Sunday Times, BBC On Air magazine and BBC Online.

The Mail was surprised to discover that hardly a word of the above is true:

Connie St Louis does not 'present and produce' a range of programmes for Radio 4. Her most recent work for the station, a documentary about pharmaceuticals called 'The Magic Bullet', was broadcast in October 2007.

Golly, even I've been on the Beeb more recently than that.

For another, it's demonstrably false to say she 'writes' for The Independent, Daily Mail and The Sunday Times.

Digital archives for all three newspapers, which stretch back at least 20 years, contain no by-lined articles that she has written for any of these titles, either in their print or online editions. The Mail's accounts department has no record of ever paying her for a contribution...

Asked to explain these discrepancies — although details of the claims are carried, remember, on the internet page where she is supposed to present her credentials to students and fellow academics — St Louis said she had done interviews for the Daily Mail but conceded it was 'possible' that she had never written for the paper.


http://www.steynonline.com/7027/that-flagging-feeing



She said her by-lined articles in the Independent and Sunday Times may have been published more than two decades ago. Asked how she could, therefore, justify the claim on her CV that she 'writes' for the titles, she hung up.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite June 29, 2015 10:09 PM  

Bard, I have nothing to say back to that.

Blogger Joseph Dooley June 29, 2015 10:22 PM  

Since when do atheists believe in "human dignity"?

Blogger Nobody June 29, 2015 10:45 PM  

People only know what they know in the environment that they grow up in.

"When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side.' I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already… What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.'" - Adolf Hitler

Remember where we were? Here we are. Imagine where we will be?

Imagine the environment that your children will grow up in. And their children. And their children.

"Posterity! you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it." - John Adams



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Anonymous TroperA June 29, 2015 10:45 PM  

Sooo are there any brand name foods I can actually eat that haven't thrown in their lot with the All-Devouring Sodompotamus? I'm pretty destitute so I tend to stick to the generic store brands already. (Except for soda. Anyone know a good off brand of cola? One that doesn't taste like deflavored ratmilk?)

Anonymous Dr. Doom June 29, 2015 10:57 PM  

All these fools have done is close down and invalidate a system they controlled. Now that the law is now nothing but a joke, more permanent and direct methods can be applied to remove these problematic populations that annoy me.

Anonymous Toby Temple June 29, 2015 11:12 PM  

Can anyone tell me what Maker's Mark did?

Anonymous kfg June 29, 2015 11:24 PM  

"Remember where we were? Here we are. Imagine where we will be?"

Visit a grade school and see it, if you have the stomach for that sort of thing.

" . . . are there any brand name foods . . ."

That's an oxymoron.

" . . .a good off brand of cola? One that doesn't taste like deflavored ratmilk?"

That's an oxymoron. Deflavored ratmilk or malted battery acid are your only choices.

Generic beef, butter and eggs, on a per calorie basis may not cost as much as you think they do, and liver is nearly as cheap as dirt, doesn't taste much worse and has more nutrition in a pound of the stuff than a van full of spinach.

Wash it down with some generic brand coffee you make yourself. That fizzy sugar water isn't fit for a pig.

But better to give it to the pig, then eat the pig.

Blogger ICG June 29, 2015 11:36 PM  

This should be the final straw for anyone who still sends (or is considering sending) their kids to public schools:

http://i2.wp.com/dougwils.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Gay-Ed.jpg

Blogger kh123 June 29, 2015 11:36 PM  

"I managed to retain my status as a neutral observer, recording anthropological material. "

"...Ζηνωνος, παντων επιληπτορος."

I know I've said before that you have an historical namesake to keep up with. Still, is totally understandable. Is for Science.

Blogger kh123 June 29, 2015 11:40 PM  

...Get a pith from Amazon right quick, before they realize how they're connected to white deviltry. Zhivo.

Anonymous David June 30, 2015 12:06 AM  

379 businesses signed a single amicus brief in favor of gay marriage.

And how many of those companies will see their bottom lines affected by conservatives putting their money where their mouths are and choosing alternate providers? 0.

How many of your family, friends and fellow church-goers will tell you that they are "disgusted" by the Supreme Court ruling, but won't give up Coke or Pepsi? They'll even agree that they should give up soft drinks all together just for the health benefits.

So much for outrage.

My wife and will be going over the list, though, to see where we can make changes.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 30, 2015 12:36 AM  

@David

Can you link to the list, por favor?

Blogger SciVo June 30, 2015 12:42 AM  

@VD: "Did you not hear about the Supreme Court decision? Voting no longer matters."

Without democracy, the FedGov has lost the last of whatever shreds of moral authority it might have still had. The only remaining arguments against secession are practical ones, and purely practical problems can be solved much easier than moral dilemmas. My money is on Texas to be the first to go.

@JudgingYou: "If you are going to call one decision anti-democratic, then all decisions are anti-democratic and we ought to point out the anti-democratic nature of all court decisions. But we usually do the pointing only when there is a decision we don't like. We look like hypocrites."

"We?" Is there a hamster in your pocket, or did you derp on your own? IANAL and I don't know many SCOTUS decisions have overruled a majority of state constitutions, but I'm pretty sure it's a very small number.

Blogger SciVo June 30, 2015 12:44 AM  

That is "I don't know [how] many..."

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 30, 2015 1:07 AM  

Stilcho Daniel H, (167-168) now you are thinking.

Conservatives are so obsessed with property rights and money they don't conserve anything worthwhile .All the money in the world is useless without a spiritual foundation. We can't even for the most part manage apologetics much less effort to create a default Christian society.

And truth here, that what many people want and won't admit. Till they do that or say "I want society to be like X" whatever your value of X is , you'll lose. SJW's at least stand for something "We want homosexual marriage" is actionable complaining is not,

Restoring that respect and fear won't be easy but it can be done, The Left fears Islam and defers to it and if Christians were fractionally as aggressive at defending their beliefs, even without violence or probably law breaking they'd have a far better chance of being treated respectfully.

A last thing, unless the Right learns from its enemies, to be shrewd as serpents and as harmless as doves its doomed to fail. This a dirty war alas so be prepared to fight, get power, use it and break the Left. and if needed the poisonous "moderate" infiltrators like YGAAI here,

Blogger So Meh June 30, 2015 1:11 AM  

the political class does not like you and so you are being replaced with people they like more. 13 or 30 million legal and illegal immigrants so far...and at least an another 75 million to go. they do not need to bend to your will for your votes. they are importing their own voters. this is only a mile stone. as goes the Boy Scouts of America...so goes the country. first Trans-sexual Scout Master...over/under 5.5 years?

Anonymous David June 30, 2015 1:28 AM  

@Emmanuel Mateo-Morales, here is a Huffington Post article that lists the companies:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/marriage-equality-amicus_n_6808260.html

Anonymous David June 30, 2015 1:35 AM  

Note that in addition to the list of amicus brief signers, many more companies fell over themselves to celebrate the Supreme Court victory by posting tweets with the #LoveWins hash tag. For example, American Express and Visa both signed the amicus brief, but Mastercard, who did not, changed its logo on Twitter to feature the rainbow colors.

So those credit cards that we just can't live without take the money they make off of us and fund this attack on what we believe. Weaning ourselves off of credit cards might be just as hopeless as trying to give up Coke or Pepsi. But Dave Ramsey has been telling us to cut up our credit cards--for our own good--for a long, long time now.

Discover's twitter feed does not mention the Supreme Court decision. So maybe that's an intermediate option.

Blogger Corvinus June 30, 2015 1:38 AM  

Sooo, SC cannot fly the confederate flag, but the white house can literally BE the homoflag?

I thought that was just photoshop. You mean 0bama really had the gay rainbow shining on the White House?

Blogger Thordaddy June 30, 2015 2:11 AM  

It's crazy how the real taboo is concretely IDENTIFYING the homosexual AS self-annihilator...

It seems a very easy next step ONCE one has rightfully identified the homosexual as the archetype biological self-annihilator TO THEN REJECT and submit, suppress and force back into the closet he who seeks to spread self-annihilation amongst the masses.

BUT even the staunchest of the alt-rite, trad-right and Neo's Reaction absolutely CANNOT and WILL NOT stand by the charge.

Why???

Desire for radical sexual autonomy... The "right" to "love, f$&k, screw" whomever one pleases... Including the self... De facto homo.

This is the FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF of all Western peoples.

It is why "we" die.

Blogger Brad Andrews June 30, 2015 2:20 AM  

Note that the Book of Romans (in the Bible) notes in the first chapter that God gives those who reject Him as Creator over to homosexuality, among other things. We are just reaping the results of worshiping ourselves.

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