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Thursday, June 18, 2015

SC church shootings

Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen says the FBI will be involved in the investigation of a shooting at a historic black church that killed nine and is being called a hate crime.

Mullen said the FBI would aid the investigation while speaking at a news conference that was also attended by FBI Special Agent in Charge David A. Thomas.House Minority Leader Todd Rutherford says that among those killed at Emanuel AME Church was the church's pastor, state Sen. Clementa Pinckney.

Authorities are still searching for the shooter, who's described as a white male in his early 20
I wonder if it will still be called a hate crime if the shooter turns out to be a white atheist motivated by a hatred for Christianity or a Muslim bringing jihad to America? Then again, the fact that the shooter spared a woman and told her to "tell the world what happened" indicates that the police have additional information that has not been released to the public.

The reason I'm a little curious about the simple "white racist" theory is that as a general rule, most whites who hate blacks tend to prefer the gainfully employed, church-going blacks to the thugs and welfare queens, so these days, a church would seem to be a somewhat unusual target from that perspective.

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Anonymous Raymondson June 18, 2015 4:13 AM  

I thought in the U.S. if the shooter is a moslem it's called "workplace violence"....or an "accident"....something like that...

Blogger Rek. June 18, 2015 4:27 AM  

Whenever an "isolated" muslim does something of the sort in Europe, he is labeled clinically crazy. Too bad the level of sanity is very high amongst white supremacists.

Blogger Mastermind June 18, 2015 4:31 AM  

"The reason I'm a little curious about the simple "white racist" theory is that as a general rule, most whites who hate blacks tend to prefer the gainfully employed, church-going blacks to the thugs and welfare queens, so these days, a church would seem to be a somewhat unusual target from that perspective."

It's possible that he was a wigger who spent most of his life being bullied by blacks until he finally snapped. The recent blow-up of fake black victimhood probably didn't help his mental state. I went to a mostly black school and I was largely ignored by the thug crowd, but the white guys who tried to fit in with them received regular beatings. And this was in Canada, it's almost certainly bound to be far more intense in the US.

Blogger Sherwood family June 18, 2015 4:48 AM  

It is a horrid thing to kill innocent worshippers at their prayers and it is a ghoulish thing to try to make political hay of anyone's murder, as will undoubtedly happen.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami June 18, 2015 4:49 AM  

Was he white-white, or was he Dolezal-white?

And congratulations to the black African community, for finally being able to open their eyes and provide witness statements to police. Any chance their eyes and mouths will stay open until next time, when the shooter is black?

MFG, they really are making up for 400 years of Dinsee Nuffins. "Clean-shaven, white male, early 20s, sandy blond hair, small build, grey sweatshirt, blue jeans, and Timberland boots". When one of them does it, "It was those violent streets and lack of opportunities. And the guns. The guns did it too."

Blogger JP June 18, 2015 4:49 AM  

I don't get it. They were all giddy when black guys shot white people in a church in South Africa. But now all of a sudden it's wrong when it happens to them.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami June 18, 2015 5:02 AM  

1) Police revealed no motive for the 9 p.m. attack
2) Police Chief says, "I do believe this was a hate crime."

Of course you believe that. And you never believe any black-on-white attack is a hate crime. Fuck you.

Until you catch the guy and ask him about it, how can you possibly know? Maybe he was like O.J., and just "loved them too much."

Blogger JACIII June 18, 2015 5:05 AM  

White devils. It's the guns and oppression and discrimination and incarceration and.... and ......

Can't wait to hear Jesse's rhyme for this crime.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 18, 2015 5:35 AM  

My first reaction should be horror and shock.

Instead it's "they are going to be coming after us again."

Blogger YIH June 18, 2015 5:39 AM  

Remember 1996? I do, back then there was these tales of 'black church' after 'black church' supposedly being torched. Of course, according to the jewsmedia, it was the Klan and they were all 'black churches'.
Of course, after the Janet Reno ''Justice Department'' (that at least had expertise in those matters) thoroughly investigated it, it turned out many of them weren't even arson.

Anonymous Anonymous June 18, 2015 6:01 AM  

FND:
I knew a black from university in Brazil who was found dead on the beach under mysterious circunstances. The police said he drowned, but some of his dreadlocks was cut from his head or something, pointing to a possible murder case. First thing the Social Science cunts did was to call this a race crime. So the moral of the story is some minority ends up dead in mysterious circunstances, the first suspect is a white male.

Anonymous RedBane June 18, 2015 6:04 AM  

I wonder if the summer race wars that were touted as inevitable, lost too much traction, and someone decided to rattle the cage...

Anonymous Randall June 18, 2015 6:19 AM  

I suspect it was a white Muslim trying to stir up a race war.

Anonymous boonewaxwell June 18, 2015 6:23 AM  

If you tell people that they are the bad guy long enough, some of them will become that bad guy

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 June 18, 2015 6:28 AM  

The guy probably identified as black so...
Nothing to see here folks.

I hope the media keeps a level head about this story.

I'm trying so hard to keep this serious.

Anonymous Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste June 18, 2015 6:28 AM  

This fits the profile of the shooter in the Colorado Theater shootings and Sandy Hook-those MK Ultra handlers need to diversify their shooter demographics...

Anonymous old man in a villa June 18, 2015 6:47 AM  

You know what you'll never hear anyone say?

Historic White Church.

Just saying.

Anonymous Laz June 18, 2015 6:50 AM  

Mastermind: "I went to a mostly black school and I was largely ignored by the thug crowd, but the white guys who tried to fit in with them received regular beatings. And this was in Canada, it's almost certainly bound to be far more intense in the US."

Went to a mostly black school in a Washington D.C. suburb in the early 90's. It didn't matter what you did, if you were white you got regular beatings.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 18, 2015 6:50 AM  

The hate propaganda will be turned up to 11, but it will backfire upon them and be dropped. Whites are becoming a minority and a vocalized one at that, and they don't have the tyranny in place to shut that down, yet.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 18, 2015 6:59 AM  

No cooler heads or calm rational media is expected.

Was this is a political matter with bystanders in that the pastor was involved in SC politics? So far the fearmongering exercise is not going to have the truth, something is seriously missing from the chain of events either to locate the gunman or withhold information from public consumption.

Putin stated the West is utterly wrong on countless things and the ongoing situation is a artificial matter created by the farcical econo failed West. The media must not cover adults in leadership like Pres. Putin or cover the pure heinous disaster of the TPP.

Those who gone on before us died in their faith in a tragedy. Once again we are all faced with reality; now is the day of salvation and we never know when our time draws near or so abruptly.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 June 18, 2015 7:06 AM  

muslim student, you mean it was a 'lone wolf' and nothing to do with Islam - boy that's a relief, I was worried there could be some prejudice involved.

Blogger Brett Stevens June 18, 2015 7:07 AM  

This one feels more Adam Lanza than politically motivated. Thoughts and prayers are with the victims. On an unrelated note, diversity of any kind still dysfunctional.

Blogger Patrikbc-EgyptianPrincess#wrongskin June 18, 2015 7:09 AM  

Here's how it looks, not "newsworthy"
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/12/us/muslim-student-shootings-north-carolina.html

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 June 18, 2015 7:10 AM  

It's an African Methodist church, so it's far more likely to be closer to Jeremiah Wright than it is to Martin Luther King Jr. I don't know if this was a factor in the shootings. I do wonder if this was one of the full fledged, dashiki-wearing, "social justice", "black liberation theology" AME congregations.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 18, 2015 7:10 AM  

Sparing the woman and telling her to spread the news is reminiscent of the Charlie Hebdo attack, where they spared the secretary.

Blogger Bobo #117 June 18, 2015 7:11 AM  

"most whites who hate blacks tend to prefer the gainfully employed, church-going blacks to the thugs and welfare queens..."

Also note, most whites who hate blacks get the hell away from them. Way away.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 18, 2015 7:12 AM  

The cops have released a photo.

Judging by the haircut, not a Muslim. Something very odd but not a Muslim.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 18, 2015 7:20 AM  

If it turns out to be a little white bottom gimp to some down low brother who was exacting some SJW revenge fantasy this won't even make the 5PM news.

So I wake up this morning to Comcast telling me the "location of hate in SC, kkk chapters growing" or some nonsense like that. But at least before the last shell casing hit the ground we had a racial description.

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 7:25 AM  

May God be with the families who lost loved ones.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 18, 2015 7:39 AM  

I hope they catch him alive. For no other reason than if he is dead, the narrative will crank up to 11.

After they pick his brain, I would suggest an old fashioned hanging.

Blogger Patrikbc-EgyptianPrincess#wrongskin June 18, 2015 7:40 AM  

Oh shit, he's Amish

Blogger Elmo Shangnaster June 18, 2015 7:41 AM  

Ramadan

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo #0368 June 18, 2015 7:45 AM  

I prefer to wait until all the facts are out there, so I'll refrain from making predictions about political spin (as obvious as it is likely to be).

And I'll just say that its times like these where I wish I believed in God, because then I could pray for the victims and their families. Since I don't, I will say instead that I hope whoever did this gets caught and gets the chair for his crimes.

Blogger Nate June 18, 2015 7:47 AM  

Has File770 blamed this on the Rabid Puppies yet?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 18, 2015 7:49 AM  

I sense an "othering" in the coming propaganda. A "troublesome minority" "that must be dealt with" for tolerance sake of course. The left is nothing if not predictable

Blogger Salt June 18, 2015 7:57 AM  

We believe this is a hate crime; that is how we are investigating it,” Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen said at a dawn news conference.

So, if it weren't a believed hate crime, would their investigative techniques be different?

OpenID genericviews June 18, 2015 8:00 AM  

The pattern for attacks against churches in the USA is a member of the church who had a falling out with other members or personal grudges. If this were a real "hate" crime, it would be unique. of course the FBI is all over this. They might finally have a real hate crime to investigate.

Anonymous RedBane June 18, 2015 8:03 AM  

Just watched a news report. They do not know who this person is yet, but apparently he is 21 years of age according to one report. What am I missing here?

Anonymous ZhukovG June 18, 2015 8:14 AM  

Hmmm...that hairstyle.

Wonder what kind of cartwheels the media will have to perform if it turns out the shooter was a gay rights activist angry at African American Christian disdain for homosexuals.

Anonymous KC9ZNR June 18, 2015 8:18 AM  

I'll be curious if this has any link to the start of ramadan yesterday evening. Elmo Shangnaster got there before me a few posts up.

Anonymous PA June 18, 2015 8:22 AM  

"kkk chapters growing"

If they're gonna lie about us, might as well make us look dangerous and tough rather than weak and defeated.

Anonymous The Obvious June 18, 2015 8:24 AM  

What the hell is a hate crime anyway?

Perhaps the alphabet agencies should investigate Garfield for his "I hate mondays" stance.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 18, 2015 8:25 AM  

"They do not know who this person is yet, but apparently he is 21 years of age according to one report. What am I missing here?"

They supposedly have a picture of the car he was driving with an "unusual" license plate. I would guess they know who he is or have a pretty good idea.

He was also said to have attended the service for at least an hour before the shooting. That would indicate he used a pistol, not an "evil black rifle".

Since the pastor was involved with trying to force cops to wear body cams, maybe the shooter is a cop groupie.

Anonymous paradox June 18, 2015 8:31 AM  

Nah... this isn't a Muslim, you can go see his picture. Young, clean shaven, and 90s bowl haircut. Most likely a gay, atheist or neopagan . This is more of a neo-Nazi, Wade Michael, sikh temple type attack.

Anonymous RedBane June 18, 2015 8:41 AM  

The media often identifies these lone whitey wolves as ex military. I wonder will the pattern be perpetuated here?

Anonymous Steve June 18, 2015 8:42 AM  

Paradox is probably right.

Can't see bowl cut being a Muslim.

This could be a rare real-life example of a neo-nazi atrocity, but I'd put money on him turning out to be an unhinged atheist or just a common-or-garden psycho like the Dark Knight Massacre suspect.

Good job they have the death penalty in South Carolina.

Anonymous JC NRA June 18, 2015 8:42 AM  

This is horrible. We need to ban guns in churches in SC.

Oh, wait:

"(M) A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a:
...
(9) church or other established religious sanctuary unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body"

Never mind.

Anonymous joe doakes June 18, 2015 8:47 AM  

The media has a surveillance camera photo of the suspect, that's how they know his age, dress, etc. The fact he attended prayer service for an hour before the shooting makes it sound as if he was familiar with the place. 20-something White Male suddenly shooting his pastor . . . I'd bet a brand-new nickel it'll turn out to be a case of mental illness, known about but not enough to ban him from buying a gun, which he purchased legally long before the shooting. The race of the victims is central to the media but was irrelevant to him: he didn't shoot them because they were Black, but because the voices in his head told him he must.

Anonymous A Visitor June 18, 2015 8:50 AM  

God bless the families of the deceased and may they catch the shooter alive.

Blogger Daniel June 18, 2015 9:02 AM  

Statistically, also, Joe Doakes, race is irrelevant in this one: nine victims plus one shooter equals ten. 10% of the population is #wrongskin.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 18, 2015 9:07 AM  

Drudge has an update and it's supposedly the killer's own words. Propaganda is going way past 11 on this one folks off the meters, prepare to be othered

Blogger Red Bane June 18, 2015 9:12 AM  

@joe doakes

'I'd bet a brand-new nickel it'll turn out to be a case of mental illness,'

or unrequited love

Anonymous fish June 18, 2015 9:16 AM  

Look at that haircut.......an SJW taking one for the team in order to usher in "positive social change™"

Blogger Chiva June 18, 2015 9:21 AM  

His haircut looks like Adam Lanza's"s.

Anonymous SugarPi June 18, 2015 9:25 AM  

Charleston is called the Holy City bc of all the churches. We'll see who benefits from this shooting... if it turns out like the fed-goons who dragged people out of their home after the Boston bombing, then not letting a good crisis go to waste will be the mantra. Perhaps wig and fake nose?... this guy may be more ethnic than first thought.

Anonymous SugarPi June 18, 2015 9:27 AM  

Also, who wears long sleeves in Charleston in June??? Nobody, I can assure you...

Blogger darkdoc June 18, 2015 9:32 AM  

You'll find out he is sexually confused young male, on antidepressants and clonazepam, a repeatedly murderous combination we have seen over and over.

The mayor used every combination of buzz words possible in his press conference to say basically one thing - please don't burn down Charleston. But sorry, Sharpton is already on the way.

The police chief refused to answer every question but one - Hate crime? He said he was sure it was.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell June 18, 2015 9:46 AM  

It will be like the investigations of GZ and DW. Nothing will happen because they won't find the link they're looking for.

Anonymous Curlytop June 18, 2015 9:47 AM  

What are the odds this suspect is more ethnic than originally reported? Looks like a wig & authorities stated looking for him to be sporting a false nose?

Doesn't look *authentically* white to me as though he took makeup tips from Rachel D.

Also leaving a woman alive to send message to world sounds more religious motive than racial.
This may be a hate crime alright but it isn't about race but faith.

Anonymous The other robot June 18, 2015 9:51 AM  

It is alleged that the shooter said

You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”

Is there any corroboration?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 18, 2015 9:54 AM  

@Steve

"but I'd put money on him turning out to be an unhinged atheist..."

Is there any other kind? Just look at White Knight Leo here, wanting to put a man on the chair just because his feelbads are in full effect for this story and thinking natural rights are a thing apart from God.

Blogger Travis Kurtz June 18, 2015 9:58 AM  

It was the same church Denmark Vesey attended; the attack took place the day after the anniversary marking Denmark's planned revolt.

Blogger njartist June 18, 2015 10:01 AM  

@ 44. paradox June 18, 2015 8:31 AM

Saw the picture: the fellow is in shape (athletic or military?); the bowl cut makes an effective defense against overhead cameras; neat appearance: for what he is dressed in, it appears o be fitted: say the difference between a Walmart sweatshirt and one from Chaps or Izod; and, in the photo I saw, he seems to be adjusting something in the small of his back.

Anonymous The other robot June 18, 2015 10:04 AM  

he seems to be adjusting something in the small of his back.

The gun?

There appears to be stains or black shadows on the right sleve of the shirt.

There is speculation else where that it might be a woman, but a clear look a the hands should dispel that view.

OpenID ar10308 June 18, 2015 10:16 AM  

Again, the best source of information immediately after an event is the Conservative Treehouse.

Lots of good info here and in the comments.
theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/18/ame-church-shooting-police-have-identified-a-specific-suspect-surveillance-video-and-cctv-captures/comment-page-1/#comments

The prevailing theory is that he was recently attacked, which is why he has a broken nose and some bruising around the nose and eye. If he were to have bled on his shirt, then that would explain the stains on his right arm and shoulder.

Finally, if he was a Knock-out Game victim or attacked by a group of Dindus then that would explain his anger and his target. There could very likely be a revenge killing.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 18, 2015 10:28 AM  

Ar10308,

That plus SSRIs, is how I'd bet.

OpenID genericviews June 18, 2015 10:29 AM  

I'm betting he is related to the Targerians. The hair gives it away. In any case, he will be dead by the end of the season.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 18, 2015 10:30 AM  

He's driving a late 1990s Elantra. Fair market value $1500. So he's poor as shit.

NOT a military hair cut. Not all that athletic either.

I've got a sinking feeling the press finally has their dream shooter.

Anonymous Amigo June 18, 2015 10:30 AM  

I saw a picture at WISTV.com where he is wearing a black leather jacket with patches of the old flags of Rhodesia and South Africa. He is identified and Dylann Storm Roof. Perhaps the son of immigrants from South Africa?

Anonymous a_peraspera June 18, 2015 10:31 AM  

America is in the midst of a slow-motion race war complete with ethnic cleansing of whites from the public space and from various cities.

No surprise that in a war, someone might just decide to shoot back.

Anonymous Amigo June 18, 2015 10:32 AM  

Sorry, "identified as".

Anonymous The other robot June 18, 2015 10:36 AM  

Dylann Storm Roof identified as the shooter.

Who has a name like that?

Blogger Chris Mallory June 18, 2015 10:40 AM  

Looking at Roof's Facebook, he has a lot of vibrant friends.

Blogger VD June 18, 2015 10:42 AM  

Looking at Roof's Facebook, he has a lot of vibrant friends.

Better archive it, it will be gone soon.

Anonymous The other robot June 18, 2015 10:42 AM  

Heavily armed law enforcement officers scoured the area into the morning for the man responsible for the carnage inside Emanuel AME Church at 110 Calhoun St

but could not catch this evil and hateful person young person.

Blogger Achillea June 18, 2015 10:43 AM  

Side issue, but what the hell is that hanging down in front of his groin?

Blogger luagha June 18, 2015 10:44 AM  

Look at a picture of him and then look at a picture of Malcolm McDowell from A Clockwork Orange.

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 10:53 AM  

Perhaps the son of immigrants from South Africa?

So it's african-american on african-american crime?

Anonymous 11B June 18, 2015 10:54 AM  

This sucks. While the media will focus on this story, the GOP leadership today will probably ramrod through the trade deal that they couldn't pass last week.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 18, 2015 10:54 AM  

The reason I'm a little curious about the simple "white racist" theory is that as a general rule, most whites who hate blacks tend to prefer the gainfully employed, church-going blacks to the thugs and welfare queens, so these days, a church would seem to be a somewhat unusual target from that perspective.

We haven't yet tipped over to where rational people are shooting up public places, so this guy is crazy, one way or another. His logic will probably have at least one large pothole. I'm with the folks suggesting he's been on some sort of -zapam meds.

There is another picture up showing him in an orange jumper. Looks like he's done some sort of time before, but I don't know for what.

Anonymous DNW June 18, 2015 10:57 AM  


" 21 years old, slender/small build"

Trying to revenge himself on life by murdering Christians of another race who had been involved in a Bible study.

Blogger David-093 June 18, 2015 10:59 AM  

Six women and three men were killed. Perhaps it's unrequited love? He doesn't look like somebody that would ever have a girlfriend. He was also allegedly wearing a Rhodesia, South Africa apartheid jacket, which is convenient.

Overall he reminds me of Adam Lanza, a psychotic loser pushed to the brink by a pitiful, drug-addled existence.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 18, 2015 11:00 AM  

Via Drudge, the general vibe is something is very wrong, I pray that the city is not burned down with the wrong people heading there to cause more pain to Charleston, a historic area to begin with. The persons picture has that abnormal glance or just something more was wrong than what is being released to the public, the narrative is off...

No, medications like cns depressants are not as problematic as when cns depressants with held from others. At that point, meaning when pain and anxiety are at a all time high, a variety of symptoms will start without proper anxiety treatment; chest pain, hot/cold flashes and other manifestations of anxiety. That level of pressure/pain will probably not turn someone into a killer or a selfharmer.

If the person in question was dysmedicated, its most likely anti depressants which will mostly likely in young people turn them into suicidal/willing to kill others under a trance of lack of care or over-care/over-drugged to the point where the irrational is rational. Overall, some snap, some will not snap.

If this is another failed refuse-to-care-patient once again, you wicked healthcare bureaucrats have blood on your hands!

Will the above the law FDA and mental health orgs face any responsibility? No, since the choies rest upon the person not the meds, lack of care, too much care, too much mental illness or irrational behavior gone wrong.

Meanwhile, cases like these make my personal self defense more difficult.

Anonymous The Millennial Falcon June 18, 2015 11:08 AM  

In a vacuum, the Godless right is capable of just as much evil as the Godless left.

Blogger David-093 June 18, 2015 11:08 AM  

What're the odds he's an atheist... "If you're not safe in your church, where are you safe?"

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 18, 2015 11:12 AM  

There is such a matter of a terrible existence overran by mental illness, even though the case narrative is off, who can fathom what a torment endless mental illness would do to someone.

Moving on to the women killed, why the women and who were they? Will the media report upon their life stories as Black Life Matters so much to the twisted frankenmedia?

Blogger Guitar Man June 18, 2015 11:14 AM  

I pray for those that were lost in this horrible tragedy.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 18, 2015 11:15 AM  

@ Salt
“We believe this is a hate crime; that is how we are investigating it,” Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen said at a dawn news conference.

So, if it weren't a believed hate crime, would their investigative techniques be different?


That question was asked - and the answer was, as should be - "No"

Ironically, the Mayor for once said something right, though I don't believe it was what was intended, nor did the news heads take it that way.

Basically - of course a guy walking into a church and killing a bunch of people praying is a hate crime. No mention of race in the statement.

Personally - I think "hate crime" is bullshit, and blatant BS is one of the few things that angers me early beyond reason. Seriously. A guy goes into a church, sacred ground, and commits a premeditated act of mass murder because he's all warm and fuzzy and compassionately loving toward them?

Fuck that. The shooter, and the victims, deserve justice (and to my mind that is a dead shooter)

Unfortunately, the vultures are already swirling. "Hate Crime" - "a white man comes in to a black church"... etc.

And yeah - it's looking like we finally have a case of the dream "white hater" that supposedly exists under every rock and bed - but given the location of the shooting, I'm still figuring an atheist, pagan, or muslim convert. At the very least someone way off their meds.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 18, 2015 11:17 AM  

Looking at Roof's Facebook, he has a lot of vibrant friends.

That actually makes sense of a sort. Spree shooters always, always go for soft targets, that they knew would be soft targets.

Anonymous SugarPi June 18, 2015 11:18 AM  

Mental health/meds/guns/electronic footprint pre-crime algorithms sums it up.

Anonymous The Millennial Falcon June 18, 2015 11:20 AM  

Be careful when browsing the profiles of Roof's friends. I was assaulted by penis pictures when I clicked on one of them. Eye bleach needed.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 18, 2015 11:24 AM  

I'm guessing atheist, mental illness, SJWflamer or Amish. I should research the final label of Amish.

Really, this appears to be a sick person stuck in a body where he long ago checked out from.

There is a message (?) for someone to tell a mother to go forth and tell others what happened, perhaps the shooter didn't intend to live.

Blogger Giraffe June 18, 2015 11:26 AM  

Twitter says that CNN says they caught the guy.

Anonymous paradox June 18, 2015 11:32 AM  

Like I said, skinny gay atheist-neopagan

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 18, 2015 11:33 AM  

They're reporting he's from Lexington, SC (which is near Columbia). The shooting happened in Charleston which is 120 miles away. If that's accurate then something happened regarding that specific church. This wasn't random. And his FB wall is private or blank but About says he lives in Columbia.

Here's his friends list:
https://archive.is/SHCKR

Blogger Bard June 18, 2015 11:37 AM  

How many white people attend that church on any given day? Didn't he stand out like a sore thumb? Looks mentally deranged. Why was the service on Thursday? How many people total in attendance..I.E. how the hell did he shoot and kill the pastor and of things the senator unless he was a damn good shot? If a handgun, how does not one jump him and how does he get away? Must have been a small group. But again, crazy looking white kid in small bible study with senator?

Blogger David-093 June 18, 2015 11:39 AM  

"Twitter says that CNN says they caught the guy."

They did. Shelby, North Carolina, maybe a half hour west of Charlotte.

Anonymous Castaigne June 18, 2015 11:44 AM  

Wears the patches of Rhodesia and apartheid-era South Africa.

Supposedly per a survivor: "You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.” Very Turner Diaries.

But the kicker is that if you go to 8Chan and 4Chan and look at /pol/, you'll find people who say they posted there online. And everyone knows what /pol/ is all about.

Blogger Student in Blue June 18, 2015 11:46 AM  

@VD
Better archive it, it will be gone soon.
I just checked and I couldn't find it. So it may be gone already.

Which is pretty damn quick.

Blogger Karl June 18, 2015 11:55 AM  

Crowstorm of piling on in progress.
---------
Brianna Wu ‏@Spacekatgal 2h2 hours ago
Let’s not mince words - our culture of white privilege is what caused this. #CharlestonShooting
https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/611536479794409472

Anonymous The other robot June 18, 2015 12:01 PM  

It is interesting that some people consider the behavior of that individual to be evil but do not call out the politicians and other enablers that got us to this point.

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 12:19 PM  

Why was the service on Thursday?

Wed night, which is common for most churches.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 18, 2015 12:28 PM  

"how the hell did he shoot and kill the pastor and of things the senator unless he was a damn good shot?"

I read one witness account saying that he had reloaded 5 times. That is cop level of accuracy. Nine hits with at least 30 rounds fired.

Anonymous Rolf June 18, 2015 12:30 PM  

"It's a hate crime. Gotta be a hate crime!" members of the church were saying in several news stories. OTOH, blacks will whites every day, and they murder even more blacks every day, and not a peep about hate or motivation other than poverty, white racism and oppression, and excuses.

Until the perp is ID'd and motivation proven with the evidence, color me skeptical.

Blogger David-093 June 18, 2015 12:37 PM  

Of course it's a hate crime. Nobody murders someone cause they love them.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 18, 2015 12:48 PM  

@Bard

It's a Baptist church on Wednesday. That is the traditional evening for gathering, prayer groups, accountability group check in, small group bible study, fellowship meal, etc. It's the second biggest day in the church week after Sunday.

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 12:49 PM  

Bishop Jackson sounds like my kind of pastor.

Blogger Dan in Tx June 18, 2015 12:53 PM  

I'll just say that Marxists have used black churches as organizing centers for decades. My guess would be that one of the advantages is that if someone lashes out then it can be framed as an attack on a Christian church. Seriously, does anyone think that the Reverend Jackson does any actual reverending?

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 18, 2015 1:10 PM  

@rolf - "It's a hate crime. Gotta be a hate crime!"

I was reliably informed just the other day by an enlightened feminist Tor author with a Spockian gift for logic (she has postcard crypto patents!, a very smart person indeed) that racism can only be directed to those with lower class privilege. So, "white" is apparently a class but race is a social construct.

(Racism is such a poorly chosen word. Why, at its root it is actually class struggle! And there really aren't any differences big enough between ethnicities to get worked up over, so we'll just ignore those.)

A hate crime is nothing more than a criminal act due to racism, ergo hate crimes can only happen in one direction.

(It only *looks* like it's based on race but that's because you're evil and race doesn't exist. Why are you so concerned with skin color anyways? That's just a totally random thing that happens indicative of nothing else.)

This would not be a hate crime if he identified as transracial because that transclasses him, having now become an oppressed minority due to his adopted lower class.

(Perhaps the trans-distributive property of social marxism?)

I dunno, it's all very hard to follow. I guess you have to be willing to go into insurmountable debt and spend the best years of your life studying it before you can warp your head around it and accept it.

But, no, modern feminism has nothing to do with marxism. Or penis envy.

Anonymous Porky June 18, 2015 1:20 PM  

Bishop Jackson sounds like my kind of pastor.

+1

My church has a half dozen ushers cc'ing on any given Sunday.

Blogger Xmas June 18, 2015 1:22 PM  

The shooter is a racist whackjob. His facebook photos include one of him wearing a jacket with an Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flag patches. That's way out there. Outside of a few Boers in the Highveld, I don't anyone is yearning for the return of those fascist governments. (I know the current governments are bad, but South Africa's current government is not regularly giving people tire fire necklaces.)

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 1:26 PM  

The shooter is a racist whackjob.

And probably, like most white nationalists, not a Christian.

Blogger Danby June 18, 2015 1:29 PM  

South Africa's current government is not regularly giving people tire fire necklaces.

Why should the government interfere in the vibrant cultural customs of their supporters?

The government of SA doesn't have to necklace it's opponents, volunteers take care of it for them.

Blogger Bard June 18, 2015 1:29 PM  

Yep, Wed. Just saw that. Sorry, should have checked a little better. Thought it happened this morning which I thought was strange.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 18, 2015 1:46 PM  

"His facebook photos include one of him wearing a jacket with an Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flag patches. That's way out there. Outside of a few Boers in the Highveld, I don't anyone is yearning for the return of those fascist governments."

Rhodesia was fascist?

Anonymous BGS June 18, 2015 1:49 PM  

It is alleged that the shooter said:You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”

Shouldn't he be going after mestizos then? Blacks do a pretty good job of aborting and shooting their own.

The prevailing theory is that he was recently attacked, which is why he has a broken nose and some bruising around the nose and eye.
That will never get mentioned on lame stream TV, given what #91 said about the facebook friends he might have been bashed and sought out the nearest Jeremiah Wright. You remember how quick the media went silent when the white guy mass murdering inne cent blacks in Tulsa turned out to be native American getting revenge on the gang members that killed his dad, can't have people realize that the cops actually protect the criminals .Where is the sandy blonde hair mentioned? The mainstream media whitened GZs image to make him look white, this guy still looks olive.

I don't anyone is yearning for the return of those fascist governments

Zambian President Sata “We want the Chinese to leave and the old colonial rulers to return. They exploited our natural resources too, but at least they took good care of us. They built schools, taught us their language and brought us the British civilisation. At least Western capitalism has a human face; the Chinese are only out to exploit us.”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/davidblair/100175001/zambian-miners-crush-a-chinese-manager-to-death-remember-that-when-beijing-boasts-about-its-win-win-african-parternships/

Anonymous fish June 18, 2015 1:51 PM  

94. paradox June 18, 2015 11:32 AM


How bout a "cut and paste" for those of who don't "Facebook"?

Anonymous DKViking June 18, 2015 2:09 PM  

" South Africa's current government is not regularly giving people tire fire necklaces"

That practice was done by Winnie Mandela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Winnie_Madikizela-Mandela#Criminal_convictions_and_findings_of_criminal_behaviour

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 18, 2015 2:14 PM  

One of his FB friends said they went to the same HS but didn't know him. The HS has ~2000 enrolled, 9-12, so large classes. Clicking through his friends it doesn't look like any of them are particularly active, most that I checked haven't posted more than once or twice in the last month. I'm not putting any weight into the FB friend demographics (any remaining actives probably dropped him by this morning).

Anonymous Realist June 18, 2015 2:29 PM  

I may be missing something but how did the cops ID the guy so fast? The surveillance video wasn't that clear and it wasn't at an angle in which they could use facial recognition software.

Anonymous Bad4Good June 18, 2015 2:32 PM  

While this is a terrible tragedy and I hope if the suspect is found guilty he's executed quick, yet it was strange to see actor Rob Lowe DEMANDING on Twitter that the media release a description of the suspects RACE! When it seems people like Lowe would have a problem with the media identifying suspects in other crimes when the race is non-white, black or Hispanic. I guess because that would be a stereotype, possibly racist and harmful in some way? B.S.!

Rob Lowe Twitter

Anonymous 11B June 18, 2015 2:53 PM  

While this is a terrible tragedy and I hope if the suspect is found guilty he's executed quick, yet it was strange to see actor Rob Lowe DEMANDING on Twitter that the media release a description of the suspects RACE!

Even Drudge's headline boldly stated that a white man shot up a black church. I welcome this and hope that the media will also include such descriptions later today, tomorrow, the day after and so on, when the races are reversed as they usually are.

Anonymous buzzcut #207 June 18, 2015 3:01 PM  

How did they identify him so fast?

"Be on the lookout for a white male sporting the same dickhead haircut George Washington has on the one-dollar bill."

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 June 18, 2015 3:09 PM  

I may be missing something but how did the cops ID the guy so fast? The surveillance video wasn't that clear and it wasn't at an angle in which they could use facial recognition software.

Either it's a sweeping false flag black op, or the cops were able to read his license plate number from the video showing him driving away in his own car.

Anonymous fish June 18, 2015 3:10 PM  

120. Realist June 18, 2015 2:29 PM

Somebody claiming to know him called the police.

Anonymous bw June 18, 2015 3:18 PM  

And probably, like most white nationalists, not a Christian.

There are many Christians in the New Right. And there will be many more soon.
The general problem of it for those racial realists who are not fans of "Christianity" is the phony Universalism of Churchianity, as opposed to how Christians once properly saw the separation of the races. Seperatism is a main theme of the Bible. You should make your case for how the Church needed to respond to culture and also make your Biblical case for miscegenation and race mixing, to the utter destruction of a people and their land. This is only happening to Whites. I guess as Jesus said, "You deserve it".
All you've done is bring the conflict within your society walls so it can do its destructive work there instead of keeping it without. Christian necessity, no doubt.
But enjoy your soon to be minority and back of the bus (or front, if that fits) status, and that of your offspring. Certainly society will function on a moral and intellectual scale the way it did before Liberalism and the enslavement of and then free movement of peoples in response to "free trade" and "capitalism" and TheBrowning, no doubt.



Anonymous Too-Soon-ami June 18, 2015 3:26 PM  

Is Rob Lowe black knighting, or just blind?

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 18, 2015 3:37 PM  

Black knighting. He's not a lefty.

Blogger Guitar Man June 18, 2015 3:56 PM  

And probably, like most white nationalists, not a Christian.

A person who shoots up a church is not someone who follows Jesus.

Blogger YIH June 18, 2015 3:59 PM  

Hartiste has started a speculation thread about Dylann Storm Roof.
In a previous thread I suggested he was an Aurora shooter type - a wack job I also got my mass shooters mixed up, hard to keep track of 'em all these days.
Commenter 'bringdamovies' suggests the jewsmedia is using photoshop to make the shooter look more evil. I know, same ol', same ol'.

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 4:04 PM  

A person who shoots up a church is not someone who follows Jesus.

Amen.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami June 18, 2015 4:09 PM  

Elocutioner: "Black knighting. He's not a lefty."

Thanks. I felt a little stupid for asking, but you never know with those Hollywood guys.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 18, 2015 4:31 PM  

Stateside media named suboxone as the named problem drug for shooter. (creepy omega anyone, this guy needed game)

Suboxone ruins lives and addicts more people on to a similar form of the prior drug/med of choice/need (that is, if there was an actual need for pain mgmt/opioid vibe, the side effects or withdrawal are BAD NEWS, memory loss/amnesia, anxiety, panic, possible suicidal/harm others type of issues can manifest) among any race, color and creed with those who got themselves into drug/mental health problems.

In other countries, which I'll have to fact check, absurd garbage like suboxone and other drugs are legal, people are free to party, OD or live in a total dope fog for life.

Overseas, these pointless drugs are legalized and dispensed with zero care to quantity and frequency, a person will eventually, recover, remain on S forever or OD from an awful existence.

Terribly, pain mgmt that returns a person to function properly has gone all costa rica, all bad.

FUBAR, this entire chain of events is awful all over freaking suboxone.

Anonymous Hugh June 18, 2015 4:39 PM  

Given his apparent history, he should have flunked the background check for purchasing a firearm. It'll be interesting to see how he got it.

Someone who targeted and killed African Americans, in a state that apparently still flies the confederate flag at this moment, of course it is appropriate.

Every man who is over 15 and single needs to be banned from handling firearms and needs to be monitored by a security detail.

Blogger Danby June 18, 2015 5:04 PM  

@Hugh,
No, anyone like you who declares absolutely that my rights are dependent on his whim or feelgoods needs to exiled or imprisoned.

Anonymous Hugh June 18, 2015 5:05 PM  

If you are single and over 15 without a girlfriend you are a piece of crap and need to be closely watched

Blogger Chris Mallory June 18, 2015 5:13 PM  

"Given his apparent history, he should have flunked the background check for purchasing a firearm. It'll be interesting to see how he got it. "

Gift from his father on his 21st birthday. So look for a call for background checks on every transfer between citizens.

Blogger Salt June 18, 2015 5:16 PM  

Charleston Shooter Was on Drug Linked to Violent Outbursts
Dylann Storm Roof was taking habit-forming drug suboxone

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 18, 2015 5:18 PM  

Hey Hugh Why are illegal aliens still here when illegal alien drunk drivers kill more Americans in 2 weeks than rifles do in a year?

"Every man who is over 15 and single needs to be banned from handling firearms""single and over 15 without a girlfriend "

What about all the blacks under 15 that kill with guns? Chicongo had 10 dead last weekend. So you are a homophobe as well.

Blogger Danby June 18, 2015 5:21 PM  

If you are single and over 15 without a girlfriend you are a piece of crap and need to be closely watched

no, you are a piece of crap and need to be shut up or killed, fuckwit.

Anonymous Grinder June 18, 2015 5:43 PM  

If you believe that the massive terror bombings of German cities and atom bombs on Japanese in WWII were justified acts of war then you should accept as legitimate a white man shooting up a black church and killing several congregants.
As for choosing such a target, I'd say this is a better choice to help spark an overt full-on race war. Who cares about some black subhuman dregs getting gunned down in the street aside from race pimps like Sharpton and the lowest class of blacks who love to blame their own life failures on white machinations? When some nice, clean and civil negroes get butchered while attending church it is far more likely to raise the temperature of all non-whites inhabiting the USA.
Obama hasn't done anything to end the victimization of whites by black and brown monkeys and neither has any government since at least as far back as forced integration. All white nations have a right to retaliate for assaults upon it regardless of whether the current state feels like it. I don't know what the truth of this attack is, but I have no problem with it if it turns out to be exactly like the press is portraying it. There is no acceptable alternative to cleansing our lands of all non-whites and sending them back to their continents of origin - by boat, plane or bodybags if necessary.

Anonymous Grinder June 18, 2015 5:48 PM  

131. Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 4:04 PM
A person who shoots up a church is not someone who follows Jesus.

Amen.


Lots of churches were destroyed by the Allies in WWII. Could it have been helped? Perhaps, but as Sherman once said "War is Hell". Churches, schools, malls whatever. The goal is victory in war. Half measures are doomed to fail.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 18, 2015 6:23 PM  

I got home from work and turned on local news. They listed the names of the victims. One of the nsmes was Depayne Doctor. I kid you not. I hope it was not a hoax.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 18, 2015 6:26 PM  

Yep. Her nsms is DePayne Middleton-Doctor.

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 6:31 PM  

There is no acceptable alternative to cleansing our lands of all non-whites and sending them back to their continents of origin - by boat, plane or bodybags if necessary.

Will you go back to Europe?

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 6:37 PM  

Lots of churches were destroyed by the Allies in WWII. Could it have been helped? Perhaps, but as Sherman once said "War is Hell". Churches, schools, malls whatever. The goal is victory in war. Half measures are doomed to fail.

If your war is white yankees trying to kill southern blacks churchgoers, I'll side with the black churchgoers.

Blogger Nate June 18, 2015 6:38 PM  

"Lots of churches were destroyed by the Allies in WWII. Could it have been helped? Perhaps, but as Sherman once said "War is Hell". Churches, schools, malls whatever. The goal is victory in war. Half measures are doomed to fail. "

Silence you pathetic old cunt.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami June 18, 2015 6:53 PM  

Grinder: "When some nice, clean and civil negroes get butchered while attending church it is far more likely to raise the temperature of all non-whites inhabiting the USA."

How many of those "nice, clean, civil" negroes were on the streets of Charleston last month, screaming for the head of Officer Whitey, who shot a negro after being zapped with his own taser?

The AME "churches" are nothing like our churches (which may or may not also deserve scare quotes).

Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 6:57 PM  

How many of those "nice, clean, civil" negroes were on the streets of Charleston last month, screaming for the head of Officer Whitey, who shot a negro after being zapped with his own taser?

Are you referring to the cop who executed a black man and then planted the taser on him?

Anonymous slowpoke June 18, 2015 7:04 PM  

If he was already arrested and and thus under indictment for a felony. His dad is going to go to jail for the illegal transfer. Is double illegal going to stop it?

Anonymous 360 June 18, 2015 7:12 PM  

A lot of the "Friends" on his Facebook page look fake. This does stink to high heaven.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 18, 2015 7:41 PM  

"If he was already arrested and and thus under indictment for a felony."

They might have been misdemeanor arrests. One was a trespassing violation and the other was a drug possession.

Blogger Corvinus June 18, 2015 7:51 PM  

It is alleged that the shooter said

You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”

Is there any corroboration?


@The other robot
The news articles appear to be repeating that quote, and there was news footage from a black woman survivor stating that's what he said.

I also saw some page talking about him showing pics, one with a girl kissing him then apparently the same girl with a groid, suggesting possible Gamma male rage.

My verdict: a combination of Gamma male rage tipped over the edge by drugs, plus some Anders Breivik.

A lot of the "Friends" on his Facebook page look fake. This does stink to high heaven.

@360
It's also possible he accepts friends requests from fake profiles without screening them.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 18, 2015 10:32 PM  

If your war is white yankees trying to kill southern blacks churchgoers, I'll side with the black churchgoers.

One of the dead was an anti-White gun-grabbing politician.

If one gun-grabber got killed for his political stance, it's not even a decent down payment on all the innocents killed by thugs because the law denied them guns to protect themselves.  This goes double if was a Black gun-grabber agitating for the rights of thugs like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.  They have all the crimes of their "community" to answer for as well.

Anonymous BGS June 18, 2015 11:29 PM  

How many of those "nice, clean, civil" negroes were on the streets of Charleston this month for the little 5yo white girl Allison Griffor in Charleston killed by 4 blacks http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150605/PC16/150609589 If races were reversed it would be national news. Actually Omar Thornton killed 9 after being caught on video stealing from his employer and fired. When Chris Dohner went on a shooting spree including a judges family, leftists still wanted an investigation into whether his Mexican supervisor was racist when he fired him for bad behavior. The media says he planed it for 6 months if so why only kill 9 people & couldn't he have figured out about wearing a hat?

Blogger Robert What? June 18, 2015 11:34 PM  

If the full details have not been released yet, that means it does not fit the narrative.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 18, 2015 11:37 PM  

Can someone tell me where in the bible it says it's disrespectful to bring in a sidearm with you to church in a dangerous neighborhood or time? Because my brother, 'theological genius' (read: retard who couldn't tell Marry from Merriam, much like Muhammad couldn't) that he is, said it was disrespectful.

I tried telling him that one of the problems that lead to the slaughter in Charleston was that Churches are gun-free zones and assholes, by definition, don't give two fucks and was trying to tell him about what Jesus said to the disciples about buying a sword when they were entering... Jerusalem I believe (yeah, I know. It's ironic I'm not sure what city they were going to when Jesus said that and called him the theological retard, but lay off, I'm disappointed that Walmart doesn't sell spears), but he just kept repeating his bullshit like a magic charm.

So, giving him the benefit of the doubt, where is it in the bible where it says God's gonna be pissed if you bring a defensive weapon with you into a church just in case, He forbid, some asshole decides to be an asshole and shoot the place up and, He forbid, you want to have the best chance of getting out alive?

Anonymous ticticboom June 18, 2015 11:46 PM  

I suspect this was a left leaning crazy guy. Body count is too low considering he had time to repeatedly reload for it to be a real right-winger.

That and we tend to have more sense. Shoot up a crack house that ruined the neighborhood? Sure. A church, even a black one? Not so much.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 18, 2015 11:52 PM  

Gift from his father on his 21st birthday. So look for a call for background checks on every transfer between citizens.

We already have that in WA state, courtesy of a school shooting a year ago. It's a total clusterfuck. We had to suspend shooting events on BSA property for a few months while the lawyers figured out what the hell the poorly written (probably on purpose, to make firearms ownership as complicated as possible) law meant, because it appeared to say that handing someone a rifle at a rifle range so you can instruct them on it's proper use required a background check.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 18, 2015 11:54 PM  

OTOH, background check laws or not, his father giving a mentally unstable druggie a gun was pretty poor decision making.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 19, 2015 12:10 AM  

Lots of churches were destroyed by the Allies in WWII. Could it have been helped? Perhaps, but as Sherman once said "War is Hell". Churches, schools, malls whatever. The goal is victory in war. Half measures are doomed to fail.

Sherman didn't march into Atlanta and say "There's thousands of our enemies here, in homes, stores, bars, whore houses and pool hall. Let's start by killing a few in that church over there...."

Though, I do suspect in the not too distant future, churches will become central targets. Religion is an element in a culture war, and Sherman may come off looking pretty damned compassionate compared to some of the characters we may see.

Anonymous Tar Heel June 19, 2015 12:15 AM  

Jack Amok, Sherman's bummers burned churches. He had no specific orders about what was to be spared.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 19, 2015 12:41 AM  

Jack Amok, Sherman's bummers burned churches. He had no specific orders about what was to be spared.

They didn't start with the churches, and they didn't just burn churches. Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand? If they guy had shot up a mall, a bar, and a church, there'd be less fainting going on.

Blogger rho June 19, 2015 1:31 AM  

Jack Amok, Sherman's bummers burned churches. He had no specific orders about what was to be spared.

Sherman fought a war worthy of Kratman's wet dreams.

Southerners may disagree, but we lost.

Anonymous Rantor June 19, 2015 9:33 AM  

I work with a guy who is on his church's security team, they have about half a dozen armed men at each service. They have concealed carry permits and just sit among the congregation.



Blogger Tom Kratman June 19, 2015 1:32 PM  

rho, you're making one of the SJWs' mistake, which is to say presuming that what one believes will work is what one wants to personally do, even in the absence of necessity.

Anonymous Hrw-500 June 19, 2015 4:47 PM  

I saw this rant from Mike Smith's blog from a South African point of view who also mention a video he saw on Youtube http://mikesmithspoliticalcommentary.blogspot.ca/2015/06/dylann-roof-and-charleston-shooting.html.

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