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Friday, June 05, 2015

Shelving Aristotle

Now the SJWs are openly coming out against Aristotle's logic at File 770:
Stevie on June 4, 2015 at 6:21 pm said:
Incidentally, had not Athens been Lords of the Sea then we not have their Golden Age. We would not have the works of Aristotle. For one brief moment I thought wistfully of what an improvement this would be, but came down on the side of sanity….

Chris Hensley on June 4, 2015 at 6:26 pm said:
The works of Aristotle are important. Much of it has been replaced by better knowledge, but we wouldn’t have that knowledge was still built upon Aristotle. It is time that his logic be put upon the shelf next to his physics.
One thing that is readily apparent is that they very much resent how we have correctly identified them as rhetoricals incapable of rational dialectic and ruled by their feelbads rather than reason. Consider exactly what it is that they are rejecting. They are rejecting logic for fantasy because they cannot be instructed by information, they are only guided by emotion.

They are, quite literally, irrational. And in the SJWs always lie department, there is this:
Dex on June 5, 2015 at 6:20 am said: 
I think this, more than anything, is the accurate way to approach characters like VD. The man is a grifter. For all the outrage he manufactures, it appeals to a fringe group that flocks to him and is happy to throw money his way so long as he seems to be fighting the good fight. The entire Hugo situation is nothing but a scam for him to earn the publicity that his talent can’t, and entice a small group of hardcore followers to financially support him. It’s Alex Jones without the audience. I have no doubt that within six months, his publishing house will include links to buying gold coins, Prepper food packs and herbal cures to diabetes.
It's interesting that he makes such claims, in light of the email I received just two hours ago from the company with whom I tried an advertising experiment about two years ago.

We've been working with you some time ago and I believe we can make a good partnership again. Since last time we worked we have grown up a lot and made a lot of improvements for our publishers. Get back to me if you are interested and I will help you to resume a campaign according to your needs.

Anyone want to see those ads for celebrity feet again? I certainly don't, so I politely declined. It's a strange sort of grifter who turns down over $1k in advertising money per month just because I prefer to not annoy my readers. And considering that I have written more than 500 columns and 15,000 blog posts, and Castalia has given away over 32,000 free books in the last 18 months, I daresay I've provided more free content than anyone else in the entire science fiction field in recent years. Even Brainstorm has a not insubstantial free component to it.

That being said, I very appreciate the willingness of my hardcore supporters to support me and Castalia House. And because I appreciate it, I try to make sure that every time anyone pays for anything, they feel they are receiving substantive subjective value.

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86 Comments:

Blogger Nate Winchester June 05, 2015 3:09 PM  

Yeah, we can shelve his physics because there's clearly better iterations to replace it.

What is there to replace his logic?

...

Someone wake me when they answer.

Anonymous Strelok June 05, 2015 3:09 PM  

Mencius Moldbug of the neoreactionaries has his talk cancelled from a tech conference for bad thoughts.
http://www.amerika.org/politics/strangeloop-conference-censoring-curtis-yarvin-for-moldbuggian-opinions/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/05/strange-loop-tech-conference-bans-software-engineer-over-political-views/

Blogger totenhenchen June 05, 2015 3:10 PM  

They sure do like to declare shit "settled," don't they?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar June 05, 2015 3:11 PM  

I'm glad they're doing this. Aristotle was a hothead, but his commitment to logic was without bounds. I'm glad he did not see how these heretics and their love for lies have turned his academy into a Ministry of Truth for a Dystopian Nightmare.
These lies are just getting unbelievable now. They deny biology and physics, they complain Math is too cut and dry, and then claim we are deniers of Science! Oh ye Gods! May the Wrath of God bring the Sword of Damocles down on their heads!

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo June 05, 2015 3:27 PM  

They were already trying to shelve Logos in Ayn Rand's time, and she mocked them for it then as well.

Blogger sysadmn June 05, 2015 3:32 PM  

What is there to replace his logic?

Feels, of course.

Blogger JCclimber June 05, 2015 3:34 PM  

These people were always disgusting to me in Philosophy classes.

They just didn't get it. I always wondered how someone smart enough to get into a tough university could be so dense, but it seems that the trend has accelerated with the dumbing down of the American school system.

Blogger David-093 June 05, 2015 3:35 PM  

"They were already trying to shelve Logos in Ayn Rand's time, and she mocked them for it then as well."

Nobody got the measure of the SJWs and their kind right better than Ayn Rand. Her depictions of them in Atlas Shrugged are hilariously accurate. I read that book for the first time in 2011 and thought it was unrealistic that people could actually behave that way. It just seemed ludicrously over-the-top, but not anymore.

Blogger Philip Sandifer June 05, 2015 3:36 PM  

I assume they're Bayesian fetishists.

Blogger Chiva June 05, 2015 3:39 PM  

The Bible verse "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" in Genesis comes to my mind.

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) June 05, 2015 3:40 PM  

They sure do like to declare shit "settled," don't they?

It certainly feels that way.

Blogger Salt June 05, 2015 3:41 PM  

What is there to replace his logic?

Multi-Logic. Goes with the new physics.

Anonymous BGS June 05, 2015 3:54 PM  

What is there to replace his logic?

Waves hands "Equalism" sings http://reason.com/reasontv/2012/08/16/remy without sarcasm.

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 June 05, 2015 3:54 PM  

What is there to replace his logic?

Dark logic, of course.
Logic so dark, like it's physics cousins, it can only be explained by what it isn't through inference.

Blogger Cinco June 05, 2015 3:58 PM  

Dark Logic! Copyright that my friend.

Blogger Daniel June 05, 2015 4:01 PM  

Incidentally, had not Eugene Debs founded the Wobblies, these teat-sucking mouth-breathing SJWetards would likely have been allowed to die in childhood on a diet of unregulated Doritos and lead-based paint chips. For one brief moment I thought wistfully what an improvement this would be, but came down on the side of cruelty.

After all, if they died then, I could not very easily laugh at them now.

If anything putting Aristotle's Physics on the shelf is a bad idea. Yes, putting logic up there with it is likely worse...but that doesn't make ignoring his Physics the scientific thing to do. Quite the opposite: the failure of modern science is that it is successful specific science, with a willful bias against general theoretical concepts.

Anonymous Tallen June 05, 2015 4:04 PM  

Dark logic, of course.

Trigger warning!

Anonymous New Logic June 05, 2015 4:08 PM  

Emma The Mattress Girl Does a Rape Pron Video to Protest Rape

Anonymous DT June 05, 2015 4:08 PM  

One thing that is readily apparent is that they very much resent how we have correctly identified them as rhetoricals incapable of rational dialectic and ruled by their feelbads rather than reason.

I was discussing this topic with a friend last night and we were both wondering if much of the blame can be laid at the feet of public education across the west.

I don't know about you guys, but I wasn't taught the first thing about logic or critical thinking until college, even though my high school teachers loved to use the phrase "critical thinking" over and over like a magical enchantment. And in college only one course barely touched on the subject. I learned far more from a friend and the list of books he gave me to read.

But rhetoric? I can't begin to count the minimum word limit essays I was forced to write throughout school. Emphasis was placed on everything but logic and critical analysis. We were always tasked with convincing others of our point, not actually questioning ourselves or formally proving the point. Occasionally we had to include a few quotes and citations, but those were accepted without question as long as they came from a 'reputable source.'

The closest we ever came to critical thinking was the occasional writing assignment that required taking the opposite view of one personally held. But never any instruction on how to properly determine which view was valid regardless of "muh feelings!" or a "reputable citation."

English teachers were consistently the worse. It's like they were all addicted to some high received while reading Shakespeare.

I wonder: would the rabbits be rabbits if they had ever received a proper education? How much of this SJW nonsense is related to IQ or genetics, and how much to our ridiculous school systems?

Blogger Bogey June 05, 2015 4:09 PM  

SJWs reject one of the first principles right out of the gate, the excluded middle, so getting them to follow a syllogism would be almost impossible.

Blogger Daniel June 05, 2015 4:10 PM  

7. JCclimber -

That is actually one of the major lessons of Aristotle's Rhetoric: that, in effect, while those adept at the dialectic can succeed at things demanding logic, one must be able to kite the masses emotionally in one direction or another, and that this will not use logic in speech, even among the educated, because there are some who succeed in education without being able to learn - or at least learn the dialectic.

In other words, no matter where you go, you are going to have the rhetorically dependent. The same thing happens at MIT with computer programmers - you can pass a curriculum, and even "fake" coding without having the mental capacity to recognize why if A = B, then A + A = 2A and A + B = 2B.

Put another way, there are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who do not.

Anonymous DT June 05, 2015 4:10 PM  

Emma The Mattress Girl Does a Rape Pron Video to Protest Rape

Screenplay by George R. R. Martin.

Anonymous DNW June 05, 2015 4:14 PM  

What "they" (the so-called progressive) are rejecting in most instances I have noticed during a long history of engaging them in debate, is the fundamental Law of Non-Contradiction.

Although symbolic logic since Frege has enabled expanded forms of precisely notated and clarified argument beyond that which categorical or hypothetical syllogisms in natural language seemed to allow, these enhancements in the area of quantification and modality don't seem to be at the heart of the matter as I read it. Rather it is with bi-valued logic itself that they have a problem.

They want to say yes and no at the same time, while pretending they are neither equivocating nor contradicting themselves.

Anonymous DT June 05, 2015 4:15 PM  

In other words, no matter where you go, you are going to have the rhetorically dependent. The same thing happens at MIT with computer programmers - you can pass a curriculum, and even "fake" coding without having the mental capacity to recognize why if A = B, then A + A = 2A and A + B = 2B.

I wonder if this test or a test like it would be able to identify those capable of dialectic and those dependent on rhetoric.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 05, 2015 4:15 PM  

When a man who believes he's a woman is deemed a woman, belief has trumped fact at the level of Narrative. (Such toxic Narratives are a clear sign of late-stage rot.)

This is hardly new, however. Black-robed sophists decided some years ago that charging your money or other property with a crime and seizing it is not depriving you of property without due process, a black-letter violation of the supposed law of the land.

One the sophists take over and Newspeak becomes the ruling elite's language, the center will crumble. It has been time to be Nock's Remnant for some time.

Blogger Daniel June 05, 2015 4:17 PM  

Emma The Mattress Girl Does a Rape Pron Video to Protest Rape

That's weird:

George Rape Rape Martin writes rape to protest the lack of rape in fiction.

Rolling Stone fakes rapes to protest the rape culture.

John Scalzi rapes women to protest rape.

Conclusion: opposing rape is the cause of rape.

Blogger Jim June 05, 2015 4:26 PM  

I think this, more than anything, is the accurate way to approach characters like Anita Sarkeesian. The woman is a grifter. For all the outrage she manufactures, it appeals to a fringe group that flocks to her and is happy to throw money her way so long as she seems to be fighting the good fight. The entire gamer misogyny situation is nothing but a scam for her to earn the publicity that her talent can’t, and entice a small group of hardcore followers to throw money at her Patreon account.

Now, it's accurate.

Blogger AmyJ June 05, 2015 4:29 PM  

Either you're a grifter preying on a mouth breathing fringe for a living, or you have "daddy's" money and just want to watch the world burn. They can't seem to make up their minds.

Blogger kh123 June 05, 2015 4:29 PM  

...Is like a room full of Pollocks - the Jackson variety - throwing out every Baroque painting they can get their hands on, because hey, who needs these overly rendered depictions of outdated classical themes. And look - women naked. Objectified. TRIGGUR.

Blogger Bogey June 05, 2015 4:30 PM  

When a man who believes he's a woman is deemed a woman, belief has trumped fact at the level of Narrative. (Such toxic Narratives are a clear sign of late-stage rot.)

That was one the examples I was going to use, either it's a woman or not a woman, regardless of what it feels like.

Blogger Daniel June 05, 2015 4:30 PM  

DT...who do you think made the ridiculous school systems?

Aristotle argues that no matter what you do, you will always have the "uneducable" among you - that is, the rhetorically dependent.

Logic can be learned by some - it certainly can be honed and practiced.

But no - you have to keep SJWs in their pens and hugboxes. No amount of schooling will bring enlightenment to a particular type of brain. You'd have a better shot at founding a successful Downs Syndrome Rocket Program than see the twitter-brained SJW learn from the mistake of his birth.

Don't confuse the SJW with the well-meaning intelligent "progressive" kid who just doesn't know better. Most people default to Progressive-style thinking as children (after all, we tend to be cared for externally to us, and have many needs met "automatically" by the family) - and this is a stage that takes some a bit longer to get out of than others.

But the SJW who has actually demonstrated and identified with what someone called "the most intellectual and life-affirming movement since the People's Temple?" He is Aristotle's Exhibit A - to be persuaded/tricked by his emotions and whose defective brains and cancerous notions are better off left ignored by everyone.

Blogger kh123 June 05, 2015 4:32 PM  

Who was it that said that the American Uni system had gone from teaching Latin and Greek to remedial English in less than 100 years.

Well, here you go. It's not even a case of their rebelling against being saturated with a required understanding of the original language, to the point of catching all of the subtle rhetorical linguistic devices; it's simply "Ciswhite male write this thing, patriarchy go bad boom boom. Feelgoods."

Blogger James Dixon June 05, 2015 4:38 PM  

> I daresay I've provided more free content than anyone else in the entire science fiction field in recent years.

Well, the Baen free library may be competitive or even better, but I doubt they give out their download figures.

Blogger Alexander June 05, 2015 4:39 PM  

Has it really been two years since the celebrity feet? My, how time flies when in good company!

Thanks, Ilk!

Anonymous p-dawg June 05, 2015 4:40 PM  

I have made two purchases so far from Castalia house. I have not been disappointed in the slightest by either. I expect to make many more in the future.

Anonymous Nathan June 05, 2015 4:42 PM  

This isn't a surprise, given the progressive belief that newer is always more virtuous than the older.

Anonymous Stilicho June 05, 2015 4:46 PM  

DT, SJWs believe that critical theory = critical thinking.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo June 05, 2015 4:47 PM  

@DT

I got formal logic for the first time in 10th grade geometry, when I was 16. I never quite understood what the relationship between formal logic and geometry was at the time (I'm still not exactly clear why it was in the class, though I do understand the relationship now), but at least we got it. I also read a few basic primers on logic around the same time.

Anonymous Stilicho June 05, 2015 4:47 PM  

Trigger warning: keep your booger hook off the bang switch.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 05, 2015 4:53 PM  

@WhiteKnightLeo

Geometry was a great blossoming of formal logic. Euclid's books are still a better textbook than anything you find from Houghton-Mifflin-Brace-Harcourt. Hopefully you got two column proofs - which just happened to be about points, lines, planes, and hyperplanes, but could just as well have been out of any pure logic course.

Algebra liberated it from the absolute concreteness, but geometry taught as actual two column proofs is one of the greatest treasured of western civilization, and the school teachers always want to cheat the students with whatever this decade's stupid trend is to not teach things that built the West.

Blogger CarpeOro June 05, 2015 4:55 PM  

"What is there to replace his logic?"

Peer reviews...

Anonymous LegallySpeaking June 05, 2015 4:56 PM  

Whenever an sjw accuses you of anything, or insults you with anything, remember that it is always projection.

So those accusing this blog author of grifting are actually projecting their own grifting onto someone else. They likely feel that their own jobs are merely grifting. I would bet those above are either university-soft-science majors/grad students/professors; work at sjw non-profits or gawker/jezebel; and/or mooch off their parents with no plans to get out.

It's a bit like when feminists flip out calling someone irrational or stupid.

Dr. Freud did get one thing right, it seems.

Blogger CarpeOro June 05, 2015 4:56 PM  

Sorry left out the other support - credentials.

Anonymous BGS June 05, 2015 5:00 PM  

Emma The Mattress Girl Does a Rape Pron Video to Protest RapeScreenplay by George R. R. Martin.

Like with Sansa you don't actually see the rape just GRRM eating Doritos while it happens.

Blogger maniacprovost June 05, 2015 5:02 PM  

I very appreciate the willingness of my hardcore supporters to support me and Castalia House.

We're waiting for the Hardcore edition of TWBW Vol. 1 and Vol. 2.

Blogger Nate Winchester June 05, 2015 5:16 PM  

Dark Logic! Copyright that my friend.

I'm calling it for my metal band!

Anonymous pseudotsuga* June 05, 2015 5:21 PM  

Projectors (like those in the original post) gonna project.
They are clearly unable to imagine that anybody would do things for reasons other than their own.
Around Memorial Day I noted many examples of this in various Facebook posts of some of my friends who follow the SJW line. They mock the patriotism of some soldiers because they can't believe that anybody would actually be patriotic, or feel strongly enough about their own country to risk his or her own life for it.
They also downplay patriotism with the following argument: 'Murica sux, so patriotism must be a lie, so soliders are either delusion or lied to. Of course, *they* aren't guilty of groupthink, only people who are non-SJW do that....

Blogger Russell (106) June 05, 2015 5:28 PM  

Logic != Physics

Logic is the study of correct reasoning.

Physics is awesome stuff you can do with materials and energies based on contingent factoids.

The first is the study of Truth, the second of truths.

A discovery of the first is universal and invariant. The second not so much.

Anonymous MEC June 05, 2015 5:29 PM  

I personally feel everything I've gotten from Vox's Articles, Blog, Books, and recent Brainstorms have been much greater value than what I paid. THANKS VOX! And how can you say there is no value from the Ilk. I have learned more from the Ilk than most of what I learned in college. THANKS ILK (Dread & Otherwise) How can I become a minion?

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 05, 2015 6:01 PM  

> I daresay I've provided more free content than anyone else in the entire science fiction field in recent years.

Well, the Baen free library may be competitive or even better, but I doubt they give out their download figures.


Does Baen have anything like Rabid Puppies? Got to give quality entertainment its due.

/popcorn

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Cavalry June 05, 2015 6:09 PM  

Don't forget the Voxiversity for free and I just bought the dead tree version of Compost Everything.

Anonymous Minion #0172 June 05, 2015 6:11 PM  

"What is there to replace his logic?"

"Brother love" -Bertram Scudder

Anonymous Scintan June 05, 2015 6:19 PM  

The comments on File 770 are getting more idiotic every day, and Gerrold made himself look like an ass with his entry today. The "Whoops! Brad's been deployed." thing alone was enough to make reading that post and thread worthwhile.

Good comedy reading.

Blogger WhiteKnight June 05, 2015 6:54 PM  

@MrGreenMan

Indeed I did get those. I don't quite remember them, but when you said that, it sparked a memory.

Blogger VD June 05, 2015 7:07 PM  

How can I become a minion?

Email and ask.

Blogger Daniel June 05, 2015 7:21 PM  

No! It is a trap!

Anonymous Jonathan June 05, 2015 7:24 PM  

@ Philip Sandia ur

What's wrong with Beyes?

Blogger James Dixon June 05, 2015 7:38 PM  

> Does Baen have anything like Rabid Puppies?

They publish Correia. Isn't that good enough?

Blogger maniacprovost June 05, 2015 7:42 PM  

Don't let the six tits fool you.

Blogger James Dixon June 05, 2015 7:44 PM  

Speaking of which, Monster Hunter International, the first book of the Monster Hunter series, is currently available in the Baen free library. It was also available for free from Amazon for a while, but that appears to have gone by the wayside.

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Anonymous BGS June 05, 2015 8:04 PM  

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"Chris Hughes made several billion dollars through the hard work of… um, being Mark Zuckerberg’s roommate when zuck stole some other guys work"

Blogger Joshua Sinistar June 05, 2015 8:08 PM  

All of you are way overthinking what drives the Left. Its not anything you learned in school no matter how remedial it was I assure you. You are looking at what happened to the losers you met in High School who hated the cool kids and jocks after they fell into the lap of Mommy Professor at Granny Goodness' House of Bad Manners and the Anti-Life Equation. Sometimes I wonder if these schools are run by Darkseid the DC Version of Thanos who wants to destroy Free Will and enslave the Entire Universe. Certainly you won't see Free Will on the Left, Free Lunch maybe, but Free Will never!
Imagine them as The Denizens of The Land Beyond the Mirror, a Magical Wonderland of talking animals and insane maniacs who say the opposite of what they mean and say it makes sense because words mean what they say they mean and have no definitions intrinsic to them. Like Alice all of you are befuddled at how bizarre and insane they are, but it makes sense to them because they live in a Mirror Universe where everything is the opposite of your World. Never follow a rabbit down a hole. Send a Mad Scientist, he can deal with these crazy monsters, because he has the experience of dealing with crazy monsters.

Blogger Bard June 05, 2015 8:17 PM  

This evil nonsense is a huge part of what the Lord is going to eradicate from existence in the new heaven and Earth.

Blogger maniacprovost June 05, 2015 8:19 PM  

The free MHI was a good idea... I read it a couple of weeks ago and now I'm going to buy the next one. I thought it was just going to be babes, guns, and monsters... But it also had transparent right wing messages. 5/5.

Blogger Bard June 05, 2015 8:20 PM  

Most are too damaged to even properly consider repentance necessary.

Anonymous MendoScot June 05, 2015 8:34 PM  

27. Jim June 05, 2015 4:26 PM
I think this, more than anything, is the accurate way to approach characters like Anita Sarkeesian. The woman is a grifter.


Well spotted!

Blogger V June 05, 2015 9:06 PM  

"shelve Aristotle..." SPLUTTER! What in the fucking fuck? http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2014/08/I-Kant-Even.png

Anonymous Pax Romana June 05, 2015 9:12 PM  

"It's a strange sort of grifter who turns down over $1k in advertising money per month just because I prefer to not annoy my readers."

And thank you for thinking of your loyal minions, Your Maleficence.

Anonymous Rhys O'Reilly June 05, 2015 11:10 PM  

@ David-093: I first read The Fountainhead in 2009 and thought Roark and Dominique were wooden characters but Ellsworth Toohey was so shockingly accurate a depiction of people I had dealt with.

The Fountainhead is superior to Atlas Shrugged if you haven't read it.


@ DT: I don't know about you guys, but I wasn't taught the first thing about logic or critical thinking until college, even though my high school teachers loved to use the phrase "critical thinking" over and over like a magical enchantment.

I had the exact same experience as you, and I grew up in a different country. Outside of philosophy, the only university subjects that touched on critical thinking was stat101 and stat102 very very briefly and the law of evidence.


the well-meaning intelligent "progressive" kid who just doesn't know better. Most people default to Progressive-style thinking as children (after all, we tend to be cared for externally to us, and have many needs met "automatically" by the family) - and this is a stage that takes some a bit longer to get out of than others.

@ Daniel: I was one of those idiots...but how could I not be when I trusted my teachers, and later, lecturers to be telling the truth? It was not until I finally experienced a good harsh dose of reality beyond the schoolroom that I grew up.

Blogger beerme #0183 June 05, 2015 11:15 PM  

The free MHI was a good idea... I read it a couple of weeks ago and now I'm going to buy the next one.

Jim Baen was a publisher with the business mind of a heroin dealer.

Blogger Random June 05, 2015 11:35 PM  

"how could I not be when I trusted my teachers, and later, lecturers to be telling the truth?"

Maybe it's a gen-x thing, but as early as I can remember I assumed anyone speaking in authority was full of shit.

Blogger Allen Armory June 06, 2015 12:20 AM  

While on a limited budget, I really appreciate the free books and materials when offered. As a result, I do purchase whenever possible.

Anonymous rubberducky June 06, 2015 12:33 AM  

My school days sound like DT's in that I was rarely taught logic. It happened only three times that I can remember. The first was in middle school in Geometry where we had to construct proofs. Man did almost all the kids hate that, considering it to be a high ordeal because it was so foreign to what had been expected of us. I rather liked it, for the novelty alone. The second time I encountered logic was in college during chemistry class, most unexpectedly. The third time was in the digital circuit design elements of my electrical engineering curriculum. All that had to add up to maybe 5% (or less) of my education. The rest was all either rhetoric or background utility.

But the SJWs have gotten themselves into such a bad position that they have cut themselves off from the application of logic even it they tried to apply it. No wonder these calls to shelve Aristotle. To apply logic, you've got to have facts, meaning true elements from reality. They have abandoned reality, with the recent embrace of Caitlyn Jenner as exhibit A. Once it was uncontestable that you aren't entitled to your own set of facts, but the Jenner case conclusively proves that nowadays you very much are. What's worse, you not only are entitled to your set of facts but others are obligated to go along with them.

If someone who is 6'2", has an Adam's apple, a penis, and Olympic decathlon gold medals, and you conclude that he's a woman, then Aristotle can do nothing for you.

Blogger IM2L844 June 06, 2015 1:21 AM  

I keep thinking that soon the depths of ridiculousness will bottom out with those morons. They continue to prove me wrong.

OpenID docrampage June 06, 2015 2:19 AM  

If the quote just means that it is not useful to teach Aristotle's Logic any more, then I tend to agree. It has been completely superseded by predicate logic and set theory. However, Aristotle's Logic has not been widely taught for over a century now, so what does "it should be put on a shelf" mean? It *has* been put on a shelf. But if comparing it to Aristotle's Physics is meant to imply that Aristotle's Logic has been shown to be mostly wrong like his Physics, then that's just preposterous.

Blogger John Wright June 06, 2015 2:36 AM  

As I recall, the fashion for non-Aristotelian and multivalued logic systems started in the 1930s, about the same time Nazism was getting fashionable among the intelligentsia. The Nazi doctrine, called Polylogism, states that the biological differences between races makes it so that Aryan Logic, Jewish Logic, and the logic systems of various other races are mutually incompatible and mutually incomprehensible.

The multivalued logic systems I have seen are a curio, like Non-Euclidean geometry and non-linear mathematics, but with this difference: to me, it looked as if Euclidean geometry was a limited case of a more general non-Euclidean geometry (namely, one where parallel lines neither converge nor diverge) whereas the opposite was the case for multivalued logic: it was a limited case of Aristotelian logic.

For example, in Aristotelian logic, the principle of either-or applies: Either A is B or A is not-B, but there is no third case. It is either day or not day.

In multivalued logic, the not-B case is divided into sub-cases, such as where not-B is not-B because it is meaningless, versus the case where it is meaningful but it just so happens to be not-B.

It is either not day because you are in outside the solar system, where the question of day and night (which depends on your location on the earth relative to the sun and the earth's horizon) is not meaningful, or it is not day because it is night.

But, to my eyes, all this subdivision does is clarify and ambiguity, it does not produce three cases of "B"," not-B" and "neither B nor not-B".

If there is some real merit to non-Aristotelian logic, I have yet to hear a sound argument explaining it to me.

Blogger John Wright June 06, 2015 2:37 AM  

"I keep thinking that soon the depths of ridiculousness will bottom out with those morons. They continue to prove me wrong"

The floor of hell always gives way, dropping to a deeper floor beneath. There is no bottom to the bottomless abyss.

Blogger John Wright June 06, 2015 2:44 AM  

I learned logic early on from text books I picked up in the library. At Saint John's College in Annapolis, as per a rigorous and classical education, we had several weeks of formal logic.

This was done as part of the language tutorial, and learning new languages is not my strength. To say the least. I was the worst student in Greek in the class, bar none.

With pleasure I still recall the day when the class shut their Greek texts to learn formal logic. I went from being the worst student in class to the best in one day. I knew things even the teacher did not, and could explain them better.

Those who dismiss Aristotelian logic, to me, are as bad as blasphemers, rejecting LOGOS, which is a divine thing, the power of the word, the power of reason.

Thank the fates that I am not elected to the position of unelected tyrant of America, or else such people would be burned alive.

For either they are right or not. If they are right, then in the same time and in the same sense when they are burned alive, they would be not burned alive! And if they are wrong, then the experiment will impress empirical evidence upon the onlookers, to encourage them.

Blogger Rantor June 06, 2015 3:36 AM  

About 30 years ago I took the sophomore-level logic course at Arizona State. It was a required course for computer programming students. (I was Poli Sci). 60 of us started the course, 5 of us took the final, 3 of us passed. While the professor was part of the problem, (as far as logic went, his mind had solved the equations and moved on) he was neither patient nor gifted at teaching. Working through the proofs could eat up 4 hours or more on a Saturday afternoon. Those without a gift, or who did not take the time to work through the equations obviously were in trouble.

So among college students, 5% got through that course (lower predicate calculus).

It turns out that a lot of work has been done to use lower predicate calculus to represent Aristotelian equations, that work is designed to limit various components of the calculus to concepts that Aristotle used. So there are logical concepts that have been developed since Aristotle, but as I read it, none of these concepts invalidate Aristotle's work.

Blogger James Higham June 06, 2015 3:43 AM  

Perhaps some new virus peculiar to SJWs can mysteriously take them all out.

Blogger Bogey June 06, 2015 5:35 AM  

I read The World of Null-A and still wasn't sure what the hell the point van Vogt was making. Avoid the fallacy of the false choice? Still a good read though.

Anonymous VFM.0157 aka Forrest Bishop June 06, 2015 6:38 AM  

77. John Wright June 06, 2015 2:36 AM

As I recall, the fashion for non-Aristotelian and multivalued logic systems started in the 1930s, about the same time Nazism was getting fashionable among the intelligentsia. The Nazi doctrine, called Polylogism, states that the biological differences between races makes it so that Aryan Logic, Jewish Logic, and the logic systems of various other races are mutually incompatible and mutually incomprehensible.

The multivalued logic systems I have seen are a curio, like Non-Euclidean geometry and non-linear mathematics, but with this difference: to me, it looked as if Euclidean geometry was a limited case of a more general non-Euclidean geometry (namely, one where parallel lines neither converge nor diverge) whereas the opposite was the case for multivalued logic: it was a limited case of Aristotelian logic.

For example, in Aristotelian logic, the principle of either-or applies: Either A is B or A is not-B, but there is no third case. It is either day or not day.

In multivalued logic, the not-B case is divided into sub-cases, such as where not-B is not-B because it is meaningless, versus the case where it is meaningful but it just so happens to be not-B.

It is either not day because you are in outside the solar system, where the question of day and night (which depends on your location on the earth relative to the sun and the earth's horizon) is not meaningful, or it is not day because it is night.

But, to my eyes, all this subdivision does is clarify and ambiguity, it does not produce three cases of "B"," not-B" and "neither B nor not-B".

If there is some real merit to non-Aristotelian logic, I have yet to hear a sound argument explaining it to me.- JW
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In his popular book, "Fuzzy Logic", Bart Kosko has an accessible argument for a non-Aristotelian logic, iirc. (I haven't re-read it in years.) He uses a "neither B nor not-B" terminology explicitly. Bart invented this system, which is implemented in various embedded systems. But the actual coding is of course deterministic, so it may be that fuzzy logic simply pushes the problem down one or two turtle levels.

The day v night question comes up twice a day- at dawn and again at dusk.

The problem with both day/night, A/B and fuzzy logic is more fundamental: how to decide which one is A and which is B? It's relatively easy to do in the middle but much harder to do at the fuzzy edges. The turtle at the bottom is subjective.

Blogger Doc Rampage June 06, 2015 3:10 PM  

I think my previous comment blew up when I hit the "preview" key, but if you see two comment. from me saying much the same thing--blame Blogger.

When I said that Aristotlean logic had been superseded, I was not talking about many-valued logics. The predicate calculus is a two valued logic that supersedes Aristotle in the sense that any syllogism can be expressed as a predicate-logic proof but there are predicate-logic proofs that cannot be expressed as syllogisms.

However, if you are interested in a formal logic response to John's Null-A continuum, see this.

Anonymous George of the Jungle June 06, 2015 9:36 PM  

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The enthymeme is Aristotle's contribution as the optimal presentation of rhetoric. It seems easy to overlook that the root of enthymeme is indeed 'meme'. Leftists persuade the great unwashed masses with memes and narratives all the time, with the results to society we see today. Why do conservatives refuse to do the same? Besides, it takes a kind of genius to encapsulate an issue within a great rhetorical meme. I may have misinterpreted Vox, but he seems to dismiss memes as inconsequential. Conversely, I maintain that there needs to be a whole conservative institute created for their creation and dissemination.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit June 07, 2015 12:19 AM  

Considering how much common sense and ordinary human decency are "tools of the patriarchy" it's no wonder Aristotle has to go now, too.

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