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Monday, June 15, 2015

SJWs respond

Chris S on June 15, 2015 at 6:42 am said:
I’ve emailed the poor sods over at Tor. Spoiler: it’s probably not what VD wanted me to say. I did ask them to reconsider their relationship with JCW when the current contract ends.

 [18 minutes later, he added this.]
I did say Irene Gallo’s comments were intemperate, and the use of “neo-nazi” wasn’t justified. It was also in a comment to a Facebook post. But JCW’s continuous spewing of homophobia and misogyny is utterly beyond the pale. It’s not just an offhand comment, it is continuous, on his blog, in his writing, and in his interactions with, well, just about anyone. He also hasn’t apologized for anything he said.

The two are not remotely comparable, in my mind.
In other words, he believes that Tor Books should police its various authors' opinions, but should not hold its employees responsible for direct attacks on the quality of its own books and on the character of its customers. Fascinating.

And George Rape Rape Martin is concerned, deeply concerned, about the wounds that are being inflicted in this, the most savage civil war in the history of science fiction. RapeSquared was so upset this morning that it put him off writing his daily rape scene, which was a pity as he had a real corker in mind involving Sansa Stark, Wun Wun the giant, four dire wolves, a Wildling wight, and Hodor being warged by Bran Stark.
By now, everyone has bruises. And I fear we will all have more by the time this is done. Did you really think fandom was going to lie back and thank you for gaming the Hugo awards and pissing on fifty years of tradition?

A writer of my acquaintance, older and wiser than myself, has told me that this is worst fight he has ever seen, the nastiest and most divisive war in the long history of our field. Worse than the Exclusion Act. Worse than the Cosmic Circle crap. Worse than the Breendoggle, than the Old Wave/ New Wave struggle, than the competing Vietnam War ads. The wounds will take a long time healing... if indeed they ever heal.
Bruises? Healing? I expect a set of twelve silvered SJW skulls for my dinner table by the time this is over. My dear George, I have had Patrick Nielsen Hayden and the Toad of Tor taking shots at me for 10 years now. I put up with moronic SJWs telling lies about me for years before I finally bothered to do something about it. You think this is war? We've barely finished warming up. It's only been three months since the Hugo shortlist was announced. It will be another 9 years and 9 months of us taking shots at you before we can even begin to consider calling it even.

That reminds me, I still haven't seen a single person apologize for falsely accusing me of gaming the awards last year. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Finally, Tintinaus demonstrates why the SJWs keep miscalculating in such an amusingly inept manner. I can't decide if they are simply innumerate or if their devotion to The Narrative renders basic mathematics inoperative in the event of a contradiction.
From memory Beale said the reason why he was so late in reading TBP was publishers had stopped sending him review copies. He then went on to point out since his blog gets more traffic than Scalzi’s they were cutting their own throats. Of course he used his site figures for April where most of the traffic was people going to check out his slate post after the nominations announcement.
Most of the traffic? Now it's true, there was a nice traffic increase in April, from 1,583,104 in March to 1,907,664. It slipped back a bit to 1,737,320 in May, and should be right around there again in June. Meanwhile, Scalzi's best-ever traffic month was 1,027,644 in May 2012, thanks to numerous sites linking his "Easiest Difficulty Setting" post. I've averaged more monthly traffic than Scalzi ever had for 26 straight months now. It's not even close.

I find it amusing that the SJWs keep looking at #Gamergate, or bot-nets, or anything besides what Occam's Razor dictates. But their problem is that it's not just me that they're facing, it's the Dread Ilk, the Ilk, the Sad Puppies, the Rabid Puppies, and the Evil Legion of Evil. And, most terrible of all, the Vile Faceless Minions.

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194 Comments:

Anonymous aviendha June 15, 2015 2:07 PM  

This is quality near-free entertainment and this VFM can't wait to turn it up to 11. What fun can be had for a mere benjamin.

Blogger Dexter June 15, 2015 2:14 PM  

JCW’s continuous spewing of homophobia and misogyny is utterly beyond the pale.

Original version

JCW's continuous being a Christian is utterly beyond the pale.

Blogger Karl June 15, 2015 2:14 PM  

"has told me that this is worst fight he has ever seen, the nastiest and most divisive war in the long history of our field"

I'm surprised he didn't throw in the time the soft-serve machine broke at Sizzler. Terrible.

Anonymous Gecko June 15, 2015 2:17 PM  

everyone has bruises

Vox invited you to an open, civil discussion on the matter. You declined. Please cry more about the unfairness of it all, George.

Blogger Feather Blade June 15, 2015 2:18 PM  

Did you really think fandom was going to lie back and think of England?

Fixed that for him. He's really falling down on his rape game, here.


OT: Even a child can see the logic of the gay marriage position

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 15, 2015 2:19 PM  

If people take exception to JCW's political opinions then they can just not buy his books if that is how they role. (Which is what they are doing of course.)

And when Tor attacks me for political opinions they perceive me to have I can just not trade with them.

But since I'm a Nazi that's OK. Cause as everyone knows, you don't really need money. Self-righteousness is nutritious and filling.

Blogger JartStar June 15, 2015 2:21 PM  

The SJWs are particularly delusional if they think Macmillan is going to cut lose a writer for being a traditional Catholic.

Anonymous ODG June 15, 2015 2:22 PM  

"it's not just me that they're facing, it's the Dread Ilk, the Ilk, the Sad Puppies, the Rabid Puppies, and the Evil Legion of Evil. And, most terrible of all, the Vile Faceless Minions."

Oh, it's worse than that. I don't consider myself to be any of the above (maybe Ilk-lite), and this has gotten me to get up off the couch and get involved in this war.

They've riled up more than they know.

Anonymous Friend of Bill June 15, 2015 2:22 PM  

I get the idea of the difference between the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies, but what is the difference between the Ilk, the Dread Ilk, and the Vile Faceless Minions?

Also, I consider GRRM to be basically unreadable, but I admire his imaginative project. (It's really just a kooky iteration of Shakespeare's Wars of the Roses, but it's a good kooky iteration.) But despite the objections of guys like Tiny Tim (do you understand the irony of your moniker?), I consider GoT to be pretty good damn television -- an actual work of art -- and I've been making both art and television for a rather long time, people give me funny-looking fake-gold statues for it, that sort of thing.

Game of Thrones is pretty well-written and pretty-well directed, but the secret to its brilliance lies somewhere else. Can you guess what it is?

Blogger Daniel June 15, 2015 2:23 PM  

How can the SMOF meet us face to face 'til we have faces...perhaps that is why we shall remain forever vile.

Blogger Feather Blade June 15, 2015 2:24 PM  

Vile Faceless Minions have numbers, is one difference.

Blogger Salt June 15, 2015 2:25 PM  

the Vile Faceless Minions

Many un-numbered.

WE ARE LEGION !

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 15, 2015 2:26 PM  

Fortunately for the people working at Tor it is not a profit making entity but a tool for the imposition of the senior management's political opinions on the authors and fans of science fiction.

If they had to make a profit they might be vulnerable to a loss of revenue. But since they have unlimited funding due to their access to the lost Inca Gold Mines discovered by Mr. Dougherty during his world travels that is not an issue.

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 2:26 PM  

@FoB - The child killing by cis-gendered white straight male father characters especially. Art. Art, man. Brilliant.

Anonymous Scintan June 15, 2015 2:27 PM  

Chris S must be just a bot.

Blogger Daniel June 15, 2015 2:29 PM  

Is it just me or is every word that surrounds the term "SJW" in context correctly pronounced with a lisp?

Blogger maniacprovost June 15, 2015 2:30 PM  

Do the Pinks realize that each email they send to Tor only adds to the impression of a fiasco, and increases the probablility that Gallo will be fired? I mean, surely some of these people have experience in the middle management of a large corporation-

Oh. They're all pro Filk artists? I see.

Blogger Daniel June 15, 2015 2:30 PM  

Try it:

"Perhaps the SJWS are just bots coated in a layer of fat tissue and thin skin."

Anonymous Alexander, #10 June 15, 2015 2:36 PM  

Do the Pinks realize that each email they send to Tor only adds to the impression of a fiasco, and increases the probablility that Gallo will be fired? I mean, surely some of these people have experience in the middle management of a large corporation-

Yep. Xanatos accomplished.

I would say that we've successfully outrun their OODA loop, but I'm pretty sure Tom Kratman heard that and is on his way with a couple of 4x4s and a hammer.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 15, 2015 2:37 PM  

I was once likened to a shark by one of my students. Curious I asked why a shark. His response was "they are perfect killing machines. Also...the five rows of teeth"

I laughed but did not think it was particularly apt.
I stand corrected. The smell of SJW blood in tje water threatens to drive me into a frenzy.
And I don't rhink I'm alone here in the cold, merciless waters of reality.

Blogger AmyJ June 15, 2015 2:39 PM  

They talk about John C. Wright as if he's ranting and frothing at the mouth daily about their pet perversions, using terms like "spewing" and "hatred".

I've seen him write passionately, but would never categorize it as spew. Spew is what Scalzi does on Twitter; his tweets are virtual word vomit. But Mr. Wright...well, it's the gentle ones you don't ever want to see angry. God help them all if they push him to that point.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 15, 2015 2:40 PM  

I would say that we've successfully outrun their OODA loop, but I'm pretty sure Tom Kratman heard that and is on his way with a couple of 4x4s and a hammer.

Do you have any IDEA of how much lumber we had to buy for him? Oh, and he prefers bridge planks (6X6), and black iron nails. Don't ask why, just supply.

Anonymous FP June 15, 2015 2:41 PM  

"Game of Thrones is pretty well-written and pretty-well directed, but the secret to its brilliance lies somewhere else. Can you guess what it is?"

Rape and floppy wieners?

Anonymous Alexander, #10 June 15, 2015 2:44 PM  

Lucky bastard. I got conscripted into what Mr. Wright euphemistically called "Appalachian Arts and Crafts" . You try chiseling radioactive black marble...

I imagine they'll be openings in the lumber yard one of these days. I'd like to submit my application...

Anonymous Aeoli Pera June 15, 2015 2:45 PM  

I'm surprised he didn't throw in the time the soft-serve machine broke at Sizzler. Terrible.

You forgot the trigger warning. Great, now I'm having flashbacks...

WOLVERINE

Blogger JartStar June 15, 2015 2:47 PM  

maniacprovost,

Nonsense. I hope Tor and Macmillan management receives many, many requests from SJWs that they need to carefully police their author's social media accounts for badthink, all authors need to pass a strenuous SJW litmus test for fitness, and that Tor's other employees can publicly help police the ranks. It's a recipe for financial success if I've ever heard one.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera June 15, 2015 2:48 PM  

RapeSquared was so upset this morning that it put him off writing his daily rape scene,

Top kek.

Anonymous sjs June 15, 2015 2:49 PM  

Pretty sure that the sjws (no caps natch) is not as described. Their problem is truth and or reality.

Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2015 2:50 PM  

It's not 2*Rape or even Rape^2. It's Rape^Rape. It's exponential. It would take longer than the lifetime of the universe to calculate just how rapey GRRM is.

Blogger darkdoc June 15, 2015 2:54 PM  

The problem with SJW's is that their brand of estatic self-righteousness can be purchased so cheaply.

Just defend race, homosexuality or whatever. So simple, so cheap.

Blogger Corvinus June 15, 2015 2:58 PM  

Do the Pinks realize that each email they send to Tor only adds to the impression of a fiasco, and increases the probablility that Gallo will be fired? I mean, surely some of these people have experience in the middle management of a large corporation-


Hey, come on. Let's just let the Unwitting Minions Brigade do our -- I mean, their -- work.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 15, 2015 2:59 PM  

@Friend of Bill

There was a quiz a while back, that required remembering specifics of Vox's sport, drink, and music career, as well as the details of the greatest Ilk, Bane. This basically required you to have been here from the beginning to be a member of the Dread Ilk proper. The Ilk are the regulars. Vile Faceless Minions are numbered and officially indifferent to all things, having achieved Stoic perfection in doing simply what the dark lord of the Evil League of Evil suggests they do.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) June 15, 2015 3:00 PM  

I expect a set of twelve silvered SJW skulls for my dinner table by the time this is over.
I'd have thought you'd make mugs from their skulls, but they are SJW's, The best one could make from them is some thick walled shot glasses.

Blogger Owen June 15, 2015 3:00 PM  

So, let's say you're a writer who writes an edgy book that has rape scenes, like George Rape Rape Martin. Or maybe you have one or two non-SJW opinions on things.

You're watching this unfold.

If you sign with Tor or MacMillan, you know the employees can trash you, damage your earning potential and book sales, and nothing will be done about it.

In addition to inviting even more PR flack from employee social network rants, you have put a chill through your writing community.

This is not just bad for business, this is bad for art.

Hey, if that's the business Tor/MacMillan want to operate, they have the right to do it.

Just don't act shocked when "conflict" in novel submissions becomes gradually watered down, because writers fear upsetting any one of the hundred SJW reasons to be outraged.

Don't wonder why you only seem to get the same material from new writers, while other houses find the next blockbuster franchise.

And don't recheck the numbers for obvious errors in a few years when people stop buying your books because they are SJW approved drek.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2015 3:01 PM  

Actually the SJW in this post is on to something, Tor as company policy could have it that a PC sermon be included in each of its published works. They could even put a suggested list of sermons, but in the interest in "art" they will give some leeway to the artiste. Hell you never know Lindy West are fav carbohydrate annihilator could imagine up something that no one up to now has thought of for a sermon.

Rape Rape's work while not fit for a sermon is nihilism and even at this point the leftards still accept nihilism as useful, but we are seeing its limits, soon he will have to start including sermons, oh joy.

Anonymous zen0 June 15, 2015 3:02 PM  

A prominent SJW has fallen in battle.:

@ ZH

Lying White 'African American' NAACP President Resigns Shocked By Focus On Her Race

A moment of silence.

Please.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 3:04 PM  

Game of Thrones is pretty well-written and pretty-well directed, but the secret to its brilliance lies somewhere else. Can you guess what it is?

Well, someone already guessed the obvious, rape, so I'm going to go with casting. The actors are remarkably good across the board.

I get the idea of the difference between the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies, but what is the difference between the Ilk, the Dread Ilk, and the Vile Faceless Minions?

Fans, ultras, and shock troops.

Blogger 2Bfree June 15, 2015 3:05 PM  

As a vile faceless minion I know I don't rate a name like the Dred Ilk or even number like the Evil Legion of Evil, but wasn't I supposed to get a secret decoder ring?

Anonymous Viking June 15, 2015 3:05 PM  

What is the difference between The Ilk and The Dread Ilk?

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 15, 2015 3:07 PM  

If I could have been a fly on the wall at Tor today. That'd be worth a vacation day.

Anonymous J. J. June 15, 2015 3:07 PM  

SJW's use this approach when they try to infiltrate the Church as well ("Oh the horror of all this fighting, aren't we all supposed to get along and be in unity?"). It's an easier sell in the Church, because unity matters, but unity apart from truth is a sham. Martin's BS here is the same con the SJW's try to pull in the Church... they don't really mean they want to be united in love, they mean, "We want you to shut up, but we can keep talking".

Anonymous Viking June 15, 2015 3:08 PM  

Oh, nevermind, I see the answer.

Blogger 2Bfree June 15, 2015 3:08 PM  

Without a secret decoder ring, how is a mere vile faceless minion supposed to tell if our directions are coming from a vaulted member of the Evil Legion of Evil and not some SJW some bot?

Blogger Rek. June 15, 2015 3:08 PM  

"By now, everyone has bruises. And I fear we will all have more by the time this is done."

He can't be serious. What man talks like this? I suppose the guy is gay.

Anonymous Friend of Bill June 15, 2015 3:10 PM  

"Rape and floppy wieners?"

Heh heh. No, it's casting: the show is brilliantly cast. I remember years ago being given the pilot script for what turned out to become the hit show "Friends". It was very well done, but not so different from a dozen other good scripts in the stack. But when it got into production, the cast electrified it. You guys don't know much about how this stuff really works.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 3:10 PM  

Lying White 'African American' NAACP President Resigns Shocked By Focus On Her Race

I hear Nero will be applying for the vacant spot.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown June 15, 2015 3:12 PM  

"A writer of my acquaintance, older and wiser than myself, has told me that this is worst fight he has ever seen, the nastiest and most divisive war in the long history of our field."
That quote put a smile on my face.

VFM#0100

Anonymous Friend of Bill June 15, 2015 3:12 PM  

I see VD already got ahead of me; good eye.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 15, 2015 3:16 PM  

"And, most terrible of all, the Vile Faceless Minions."

I really need to thank you more often, for the best bang for buck laugh investment I have ever made.

That $40 alone has been priceless, but I am NEVER going to stop buying myself an annual Hugo hilarity-WILL-ensue vote.

Blogger Rabbi B June 15, 2015 3:16 PM  

"What is the difference between The Ilk and The Dread Ilk?"

Some Ilk are longer than others.

Blogger Steveo #238 June 15, 2015 3:16 PM  

Did Rape Rape mean - by now, everyone has ruffies?

Anonymous Earl June 15, 2015 3:17 PM  

Ilk, dread ilk, and vfm:
Trash mobs, boss fights, and mysterious conspirator antagonists driving the whole plot to destroy the world.

Anonymous Gecko #0024 June 15, 2015 3:20 PM  

doing simply what the dark lord of the Evil League of Evil suggests they do.

Suggestions? I've been on stable duty because of a mere SUGGESTION? Do you have any idea what he keeps down there, and what he feeds them!? Hercules had it easy...

Blogger Dexter June 15, 2015 3:20 PM  

A writer of my acquaintance, older and wiser than myself, has told me that this is worst fight he has ever seen, the nastiest and most divisive war in the long history of our field... Worse than the Breendoggle,

In Rape Rape's world, Larry and Vox organizing the nomination of worthy but otherwise excluded works of SF is much, much worse than a convention excluding a notorious (and ultimately, criminally convicted) child molester from attending.

http://fancyclopedia.org/breendoggle

Interesting.

Blogger Danby June 15, 2015 3:21 PM  

...having achieved Stoic perfection in doing simply what the dark lord of the Evil League of Evil suggests they do.

No, we do what Lord Vox wishes us to do, whether or not he has actually suggested it. Failing to anticipate his whim is ... severely punished.

Join us! There are exaLOLs to be had. the only requirement is that you not care, you never look back, and that you engage as directed.

If you're worried about doing the right thing, or being fair, or impartial, or the demands of strict justice, go elsewhere, you are not fit for minionhood.

But if you think the best things in life are to defeat the enemy, driving xer before you, hearing the unhinged shrieks of offense from xer women and faggots, and the bitter sobbing of xer defeat, join us.

Blogger darkdoc June 15, 2015 3:22 PM  

Other than Gamergate (current?) and the Sad/Rabid Puppies campaign, I am not aware of any other signifiant challenges to SJW and lib/prog supremacy currently active and/or thriving. We are the vanguard, the very point of the spear in this "civil war".

While there have some fights in the recent past that were worthy (Duck Dynasty, Chick Filet, etc.), I am pointing out active fights in the arena.

Vox, the VFM, and the Ilk are leading the way, with help from several other very worthy compatriots.

Anonymous NMA June 15, 2015 3:24 PM  

Worse than the BreenDoggle?
Why does't GRRM just spell it out and say "worse than that time when all us SJWs were arguing that child molesters had a place in fandom".

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown June 15, 2015 3:24 PM  

@ Karl,

Dude, you owe me a new keyboard. "The Sizzler" is a comedy force multiplier.

Blogger Danby June 15, 2015 3:25 PM  

Without a secret decoder ring, how is a mere vile faceless minion supposed to tell if our directions are coming from a vaulted member of the Evil Legion of Evil and not some SJW some bot?

Easy, these is a 3-part test
1) does it comport with reality?
2) do the numbers add up?
3) will I laugh myself silly for a week?

Anonymous Varenius June 15, 2015 3:29 PM  

Did you really think fandom was going to lie back and thank you for gaming the Hugo awards and pissing on fifty years of tradition?

It's almost as if RapeRape understands us!

Blogger Quadko June 15, 2015 3:32 PM  

...gaming the Hugo awards and pissing on fifty years of tradition?
Wait, is he talking about 3 years of Puppies or the years of Tor gaming the system? He needs to be more explicit^H^H^H^H^H specific.

Blogger Jack Ward June 15, 2015 3:32 PM  

@VD Fans, ultras, and shock troops.

I beg to respectfully disagree, Oh Evil One. The Dread Ilk are the shock troops, though, I would line up the Minions at their right elbows [or left for that matter]. The Ilk, the Near Ilk, the lurkers, all the rest loosely or tightly aligned with the Evil Lord of Evil have to be counted for their sheer numbers. Disciplined numbers, mind you, but vast are they.

Blogger Danby June 15, 2015 3:33 PM  

Dread Ilk are henchmen
VFMs are minions
Ilk are supporters

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo #0368 June 15, 2015 3:34 PM  

You know, I'm at the point where when I build my house, I'm going to put a bunch of 10' wooden crucifixes in my front yard. And when people say "I didn't know you were Christian", I'll say "I'm not. But I'm a great admirer of Rome."

The look on their faces will be priceless.

Anonymous philip 023 June 15, 2015 3:35 PM  

"has told me that this is worst fight he has ever seen, the nastiest and most divisive war in the long history of our field"

As a Rabid cousin of the more genteel Sad Puppies, its been with great restraint that I've written several polite e-mails to Tor and Macmillan informing them of my strong dissatisfaction over personally being called a neo-Nazi by company personel, as well as extremely surprised over a novel marketing campaign launched by Tor upper management where we are told that the quality of some of their own wares, and not those of a competitor, range from "bad-to-reprehensible."

Now I've been inexplicably called a Robot.

So again I sublimated my initial impulse to sink my fangs into some SJW flesh and rip some throats and sent more emails informing them that I was indeed a real person and not a faceless robot. I was so polite and refined in my response that I myself was impressed with the restraint I was able to exhibit.

And now they are calling my ever so polite and genteel e-mails nasty?





Anonymous ZT June 15, 2015 3:40 PM  

The problem that SJW tactician makes is that they believe the enemy uses the same tactics they do. They assume they you use the same game plan, same weapons, and so on. Thus you will be accused of using everything they have tried.

Problem is, they do not know their enemy and what their enemy is capable of. They don't even know them selves.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Blogger darkdoc June 15, 2015 3:42 PM  

And now they are calling my ever so polite and genteel e-mails nasty?

It's challenging their supremacy and superiority that makes their heads explode, not how you worded your challenge.

Anonymous Gecko #0024 June 15, 2015 3:44 PM  

As a vile faceless minion I know I don't rate a... number like the Evil Legion of Evil...

This one has clearly been damaged, master. With your permission I'll take it down to Sparky's feeding trough.

Anonymous Bz June 15, 2015 3:45 PM  

his "Easiest Difficulty Setting" post

A fitting high point. That was when I stopped reading Scalzi, by the way, and from what it seems many more with me. That blog had started to smell funny before that point, but the signs were then quite clear.

Blogger Thordaddy June 15, 2015 3:47 PM  

The question now is whether a principled stand evolves into a particular stand? Meaning, one can support Vox Day's principled stand without actually incurring the burden of a particular identity. But when does a principled stand become synonymous with a particular identity so that in one person there embodies the catalyst to move evil in ever so visible manner?

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 15, 2015 3:48 PM  

@philip 023

Only because they would have called you uppity, but they aren't 100% certain you're white.

And I have it on the highest authority from Google Themselves that I'm not a robot.

Blogger darkdoc June 15, 2015 3:49 PM  

A writer of my acquaintance, older and wiser than myself, has told me that this is worst fight he has ever seen, the nastiest and most divisive war in the long history of our field.

They wish us to be cooperative, until the day when they finally wish us to be dead. I am not exagerating, if you know your history.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 15, 2015 3:49 PM  

JCW is the last person that I would describe as misogynous.

Blogger DBSFF June 15, 2015 3:49 PM  

Of course he used his site figures for April where most of the traffic was people going to check out his slate post after the nominations announcement.

Well, remember Vox, we were reliably informed just over a year ago that you get no more than 600 visits per day.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 3:52 PM  

The question now is whether a principled stand evolves into a particular stand?

Don't even try to segue into your favored topic of choice, Thordaddy. This is not an open thread.

Blogger Dexter June 15, 2015 3:53 PM  

The problem that SJW tactician makes is that they believe the enemy uses the same tactics they do.

Why not? Theirs have worked, across the board, for decades.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2015 3:59 PM  

No, it's casting: the show is brilliantly cast.

Yes, some of my favorite shows took from a few episodes to a couple seasons to really get rolling in terms of story, but the characters worked right from the start. Cast people who fit their characters and mesh well with each other, and magic happens.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 15, 2015 3:59 PM  

No no.The Ilk are the Methodists. The Dread Ilk are the Quakers. The VFM are the Amish.

We wouldn't hurt a fly. And because flies very existence are threatened by the SJW, we politely bind and incinerate him with the greatest of humanitarian care.

Blogger Joshua_D June 15, 2015 3:59 PM  

"George Rape Rape Martin"

That's funny every time I read it.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 15, 2015 3:59 PM  

This reminds me of a scene from some kung-fu movie, maybe The Forbidden Kingdon, I don't remember, but it involved Nazis attacking a Tibetan monestary, they follow the little asian guy into a small dark room, and eventually come flying back out all bruised and beat up....(pssst.....Vox ain't one of the Nazis....)

Isn't there a a related quote about not following little Chinese guys into dark places from another movie? ... stream of distracted consciousness here.....haven't had anything to drink since last night...

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 15, 2015 4:00 PM  

Lucky bastard. I got conscripted into what Mr. Wright euphemistically called "Appalachian Arts and Crafts" . You try chiseling radioactive black marble...
Do you know what we had to do to GET that radioactive marble from the Elder's? The negotiations, the sacrifices, the endless nights spent in a New Mexico Hampton Inn.... All so you could chisel the screed into the perfect, glowing, black obelisk.. She of the nine Whips was amused.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 15, 2015 4:03 PM  

It's got to be performance art like Loki and Sif.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 15, 2015 4:09 PM  

"Some Ilk are longer than others."

I'm average weight for my height....

...and just hanging out to enjoy all whiskey, gunz, and womenz talk.....and nfl......as long as they keep playing something resembling football....

Anonymous Athor Pel June 15, 2015 4:13 PM  

Dread Ilk was a WoW guild on a PvP server with a horde to alliance ratio of 3 to 1. The guild was alliance and all Vox Popoli readers.

The Dread Ilk also know what it means when the pigs are in the azaleas and why Bane said MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Anonymous Scintan June 15, 2015 4:16 PM  

The black woman trapped in a white woman's body resigned today. Perhaps Ms. Gallo will take her lead.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2015 4:16 PM  

FoB, IMO is absolutely correct about "Friends" the cast was art covering for shmalz and brilliantly at that.

Remember when they HAD to add a black friend? OMG, the show jumped a tank full of hungry great white sharks on that.

Whatever that matters, try and cast "One Bright Star", who can star next to a black cat named Tybalt?

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 15, 2015 4:16 PM  

Funny that the Chris S. concern-trolling Tor calls them sodomites in his description.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 15, 2015 4:17 PM  

"This reminds me of a scene from some kung-fu movie, maybe The Forbidden Kingdon, I don't remember, but it involved Nazis attacking a Tibetan monestary, they follow the little asian guy into a small dark room, and eventually come flying back out all bruised and beat up.."

That sounds like Bullet Proof Monk

Blogger Chiva June 15, 2015 4:22 PM  

We wouldn't hurt a fly. And because flies very existence are threatened by the SJW, we politely bind and incinerate him with the greatest of humanitarian care.

I bound and incinerated both....sorry.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 15, 2015 4:25 PM  

I bet the SJW burned faster than the fly. Those things weep kerosene.

Anonymous Quartermaster June 15, 2015 4:26 PM  

"I find it amusing that the SJWs keep looking at #Gamergate, or bot-nets, or anything besides what Occam's Razor dictates."

SJWs lie. The lie all the time. That means they lie to themselves. Only idiots lie to themselves.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 15, 2015 4:34 PM  

"That sounds like Bullet Proof Monk"

Yeah, that's it..

Blogger Corvinus June 15, 2015 4:36 PM  

For initiation into the Dread Ilk, info here:

The Cult of Dicky Dawk

As it happens, membership in the Dread Ilk is free and BYOG. Which, of course, stands for Bring Your Own Gun. Not that there isn't a rigorous test, which consists of old-timers such as Nate and the Ghost of Bane staring you and your weapon of choice down with narrowed eyes. If they grunt and turn away, you're in. If they spit and shake their heads, you're out. Of course, if you show up with anything in 9mm and you're not a lady, there is a good chance that if you are accepted, you'll be sent to the Queer Party Friends brigade. Show up with a Glock and you may as well wear heels.

Blogger Russell (106) June 15, 2015 4:38 PM  

A writer of my acquaintance, older and wiser than myself, has told me that this is worst fight he has ever seen, the nastiest and most divisive war in the long history of our field.

The Salt Must Flow.

I had to laugh.

Here's a fellow making a living off of writing brutal rape and death scenes, getting his panties in a twist over emails and wrongthink from wrongfans.

Blogger Corvinus June 15, 2015 4:41 PM  

The Salt Must Flow.

I suppose it's essential if we're warring against slugs like Jabba the Hutt and Rape Rape.

Anonymous WinstonWebb June 15, 2015 4:52 PM  

A writer of my acquaintance, older and wiser than myself, has told me that this is worst fight he has ever seen, the nastiest and most divisive war in the long history of our field. Worse than the Exclusion Act. Worse than the Cosmic Circle crap. Worse than the Breendoggle, than the Old Wave/ New Wave struggle, than the competing Vietnam War ads. The wounds will take a long time healing... if indeed they ever heal.

Many Cheez-Its died to bring us this information.

Blogger Chris June 15, 2015 4:56 PM  

Since the SJW's burn so fast there is usually a VFM leftover when burning them together. After all the VFM's are quite hardy and resilient. Give us a moment after each burning and we will grab another for you.

VFM #133

Blogger Groot June 15, 2015 5:03 PM  

@33. ajw308 (#98)

"I'd have thought you'd make mugs from their skulls, but they are SJW's, The best one could make from them is some thick walled shot glasses."

I actually LOLed.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz June 15, 2015 5:04 PM  

Is Wright's website getting DDoS'd? Having difficulty reaching the page.

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2015 5:05 PM  

22. RedJack #22 June 15, 2015 2:40 PM
Don't ask why, just supply.



REMFs also serve. you may be a bunch of whiny little bitches, but you also serve.

oops, did i say that out loud? sorry, i'm still waiting for my new allotment of 50 cal, i have nothing but the greatest respect for you and all the rest of the Logistics chain, Sir!


34. Owen June 15, 2015 3:00 PM
So, let's say you're a writer who writes an edgy book that has rape scenes, like George Rape Rape Martin.


why does everyone always forget Rape Scott Bakker, the Prince of Wangst? his whole universe is only three pounds ... and it shows.
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/about/

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 15, 2015 5:22 PM  

.50 cal... Ah yes! Here it is! You also requested fifteen yards of rose sequined silk fabric, Doritos, and something called a "Swedish pump"? Nate has stated that the new squad weapon systems to be based on either 20mm or .338 Lapua, and She of the Whips has all of the fabric right now, so I didn't think it was a valid request.

I did send your allotment of .454 Casul for your PDW, and a nice side order of drink umbrellas! I would say the latter caused some of the hell hounds a bit of mirth.

Now, if you would excuse me, I have a batch of a special mix I need to distill. I was told I was to be in the Chemical weapons field, but the Dread Lord has not seen fit to activate that at this time. At least She Who Must be Obeyed has allowed me to continue my experimentation.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) June 15, 2015 5:25 PM  

That's not pink*, it's faded bloodstains...

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 June 15, 2015 5:29 PM  

I can see why this is a much bigger controversy than Breendoggle. After all, what could be controversial about a privately organized, family-friendly gathering prohibiting a known sex-offender from attending? No one except a filthy degenerate could disagree with that.

Wait, what's that you say?

Anonymous Gecko #0024 June 15, 2015 5:29 PM  

Not that there isn't a rigorous test, which consists of old-timers such as Nate and the Ghost of Bane staring you and your weapon of choice down with narrowed eyes. If they grunt and turn away, you're in. If they spit and shake their heads, you're out.

Nate called me a hippie. Is that why I'm on stable duty?

Blogger Rabbi B June 15, 2015 5:31 PM  

"Nate called me a hippie. Is that why I'm on stable duty?"

He called me a 'Red Sea Pedestrian'. I haven't been the same since.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW June 15, 2015 5:31 PM  

It is intriguing that they appeal to tradition when it is their ox being gored.

Blogger OldFan June 15, 2015 5:32 PM  

The unending fake Moral Superiority of the SJWs dictates that any opposition must be unprincipled; any disagreement is a 'brutal act of violence'; and all dissenting voices are motivated by evil. They cannot view it any other way. Basically, well-reasoned civil discourse cannot occur on their side of the political divide because it requires an admission that our side is worthy of respect. Their unholy political faith completely rules that out, so we cannot expect ANY of them to use facts, logic, or consistent definitions.

"All That Matters is Who is Master" (Humpty Dumpty explaining to Alice that a word means just what he says it means)

Blogger Migly June 15, 2015 5:35 PM  

Bluntobj Winz: "Is Wright's website getting DDoS'd? Having difficulty reaching the page."

It's just the bots coming home to roost after delivering the email....

Anonymous zen0 June 15, 2015 6:02 PM  

>>
Is Wright's website getting DDoS'd? Having difficulty reaching the page.


Just went there. No problem

Blogger Hank Brown June 15, 2015 6:08 PM  

The more they call JCW misogynist and homophobe, the more I want to read him.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 15, 2015 6:16 PM  

Still no response from Tor/MacMillan

Blogger Danby June 15, 2015 6:21 PM  

Bluntobj Winz: "Is Wright's website getting DDoS'd? Having difficulty reaching the page."
It's just the bots coming home to roost after delivering the email....

We have secretly filmed footage of on of the 'bots' launching
And delivering our compliments to Tor and Irene Gallo

Blogger Xellos June 15, 2015 6:24 PM  

"I can't decide if they are simply innumerate or if their devotion to The Narrative renders basic mathematics inoperative in the event of a contradiction."

Probably because they consider mathematics racist and sexist.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 15, 2015 6:27 PM  

Still no response from Tor/MacMillan

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 15, 2015 6:30 PM  

Sorry for the double post. I hate my mobile.

SJW don't use occams razor they prefer his spork.

Anonymous Boogeyman #00240 June 15, 2015 6:43 PM  

Letter sent.

Say, wasn't Occam a priest? That might explain why they don't like his razor.

Blogger Danby June 15, 2015 6:52 PM  

Even worse, William of Okham was both a priest and a rigorous thinker.

Pure SJW repellent.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 7:02 PM  

Still no response from Tor/MacMillan

Give them time. They need to process the information, investigate, and act. We already know Tor won't do a damn thing; if they had any sense they would have canned Gallo on the spot for attacking their customers. The question is whether Macmillan is more professional or not. I suspect they are.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 15, 2015 7:22 PM  

"Nate called me a hippie. Is that why I'm on stable duty?" He called me a 'Red Sea Pedestrian'. I haven't been the same since.

He said GRRM loves Doritos more than I love penis. "If you where a Sam's Club pallet of Doritos my love", GRRM's hugo award winning tale of forbidden love, & Prequel to "Clean up on aisle 9". He said even worse things after I mentioned you could buy a case of 20 mosin nagants and some spam cans of ammo for less than the price of a decent 308 to have extras for the zombie nigapocalypse.

Anonymous Zimri June 15, 2015 7:24 PM  

I didn't think I could write three wholly different mails. So I sent the one mail to Mr Doherty, which I CC'ed to you and to the two from MacMillan. I also gave Feder some benefit-of-the-doubt.

Why *not* demonstrate personal independence.

As for Gallo and Hayden, yeah, I'll be watching out for their names in future. I won't be buying from publishers which use them as gatekeepers. As for Feder - I don't know. Let's just say I'd be spending more time checking reviews and being VERY sure that the stuff he let though was worth my time.

Blogger maniacprovost June 15, 2015 7:25 PM  

I'm not gonna lie, if I were T-Dohertiddy, I'd be all like,
"F the wrongfans, I've had enough of these
angry-looking book nerds, I'm kickin it like puppies
Ignoring the botnets sending me random
Emails the Details of which offend fandom.
It's time to drop rhymes on this gay bashing papist
I'll deflower his prose, make em call me the rappist"

etc, but I'm not, and I'm sure Mr. Doherty doesn't appropriate "African American" music. Anyway, protecting your subordinates is important, unless your subordinate is an idiot who burned you on Twitter.

Anonymous JRL June 15, 2015 7:26 PM  

Emails sent!




Blogger VFM bot #188 June 15, 2015 7:28 PM  

I suppose it's essential if we're warring against slugs like Jabba the Hutt and Rape Rape.

They're different?

Blogger Zimri June 15, 2015 7:32 PM  

Why does't GRRM just spell it out and say "worse than that time when all us SJWs were arguing that child molesters had a place in fandom".

And then the people who supported Breen, or hid under the table, turned around and cast ostraca to eject Vox from SFWA. To Gee Rape Rape Martin, Breen was just an embarrassment. Vox is an existential evil.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 15, 2015 7:36 PM  

What is the difference between the Ilk, the Dread Ilk, and the Vile Faceless Minions?

Fans, ultras, and shock troops.


VFM's are best. Shock troops! Follow direction of Dark Overlord, do what is best in life: Crush ver enemies, see zem driven vefore you, and hear da lamentations of der vimmin!"

We get cool numbers too.

OpenID theycallmewry June 15, 2015 7:37 PM  

I remember seeing that "easiest difficulty setting" post for the first time... that was the moment when I really knew that the world had either gone crazy or that there was a concerted effort by somebody to attack me (and other men like me) and my entire belief and value system.

Odd that I have Scalzi to thank for helping crystalize something to my mind which had been trying to form for many years.

I have since learned that the other people who are on my "side" share more than just my political and ethical values. They also share certain character traits which I find greatly lacking in our SJW opposite numbers. Namely, the will to see a fight, once joined, through to its end to the very destruction of their foe. VD has told us all along: once we take the field for real, this is going to be a slaughter.

To any SJW reading this, my second ever post on this blog: you should have left me the fuck alone. Now you are going to regret pushing to far into things that you could have and should have just let exist apart from your own little reality. You set the rules and the stakes... your tears will be my victory champagne.

Blogger VD June 15, 2015 7:42 PM  

Why *not* demonstrate personal independence.

Malwyn.

Blogger Zimri June 15, 2015 7:50 PM  

Oh, yeah... Malwyn. I should watch out in case shoes go missing. That's how it starts, right?

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2015 7:51 PM  

but i LIKE when Malwyn tries to whip me.

i'm a bit ticklish, you see.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 15, 2015 7:56 PM  

> and hear da lamentations of der vimmin!"

SJ DUBYAS hear the lamentations of their women constantly already. Back in the heyday of the Patriarchy it was called "nagging". The more extreme cases were termed "bouts of hysteria".

That is one factor that made them go Gamma. (Maybe if I play along she will STF already and not demand anymore nutsacktorectomies)

Anonymous Nathan June 15, 2015 7:59 PM  

"As for Feder - I don't know. Let's just say I'd be spending more time checking reviews and being VERY sure that the stuff he let though was worth my time."

He edits Sanderson. Although, given Chris Kluwe and Feder had input on Words of Radiance, that might not be a good thing for Brandon.

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 8:00 PM  

@theycallmewry

They also share certain character traits which I find greatly lacking in our SJW opposite numbers. Namely, the will to see a fight, once joined, through to its end to the very destruction of their foe.

It would be nice to think so, but this is not completely true.

In less than 50 years, these people have defeated and destroyed just about every facet of Western Civilization.

They know how to fight and how to win.

Take this fight, for example; they haven't exactly folded up and conceded the obvious point, have they?

Anonymous zen0 the Compassionate. June 15, 2015 8:06 PM  

@ 122. Zimri

Let's just say I'd be spending more time checking reviews and being VERY sure that the stuff he let though was worth my time.

Mister Feder tweeted recently that Christian gun shop owners should be more concerned about selling items that "cause DEATH" rather than defending Christians who don't want to bake wedding cakes.

Now I am not sure how YOU feel about that but he is dead to me.
You can do what you want, being an independant actor, but I will never have sex with him.

Blogger VFM #0209* June 15, 2015 8:08 PM  

@Athor Pel

“The Dread Ilk also know what it means when the pigs are in the azaleas and why Bane said MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.”

I miss Bane.

But we still have Nate.

Blogger VFM #0209* June 15, 2015 8:08 PM  

“shock troops”

I love being a vile faceless minion. It's like reenlisting in the Corps.

The Ineffably Vile One, he is kind.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 15, 2015 8:09 PM  

> Take this fight, for example; they haven't exactly folded up and conceded the obvious point, have they?

They have the backing of the State apparatus. Hence the necessary employment of 4G .

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 15, 2015 8:20 PM  

113. Donn #0114 June 15, 2015 6:27 PM

Still no response from Tor/MacMillan


Patience, Minion . There are probably discussions going on about a public statement.

Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs.

Blogger Zimri June 15, 2015 8:21 PM  

zen0: unfortunately I was limited by the standards of the genre, as they say. I had to restrain myself to Feder's comments about the Puppies and about Tor's own output. So all I could print about Feder was his support of Gallo and Hayden as people.

I hope, though, that Feder is sufficiently tarred by association, *and* by his unctuous concern-trolling against a religion he clearly despises, that Daugherty and his own bosses will read between the lines.

Blogger Zimri June 15, 2015 8:22 PM  

I wonder how Feder would react if John Wright (say) posted some stuff about what Jews should do to be better Jews. Out of concern.

My guess is, not well.

Blogger Danby June 15, 2015 8:23 PM  

Take this fight, for example; they haven't exactly folded up and conceded the obvious point, have they?

They haven't actually taken fire... yet.

That's what this whole Gallo thing is about. We've identified and isolated our target. They are refusing to do the 'Conservative' thing of denouncing Gallo. They know how Alinsky rules work. I do admire them for their fire discipline. They're playing this exactly how we should always play it.

They're going all-in on not allowing us to use their playbook. But our captains have identified a weak target, whose position is only covered by corporate loyalty. And anybody who has ever worked for a corporation knows that MacMillan, like any other giant corporation, would kill Gallo in her sleep and sell her organs over Baidu.com for an extra .05% market share, if they could get away with it.

I'm pretty sure that PNH has let it be known that he will defend her to the to the point of putting his job on the line. That's what I imagine is MRK's "inside information". PNH has been telling his friends that he's going to give the company a choice between keeping him or firing Gallo.

So when we destroy her, there will be lots of collateral damage. They don't realize that PNH's offer to quit if they fire Gallo may well be accepted. Saves them the trouble. Feder's gone either way. And I'm sure there are a lot of senior editors at Tor that would love the opportunity to be publisher.

And if they refuse to fix the problem, we still have the boycott in our pocket.

Blogger Kull June 15, 2015 8:24 PM  

Is Feder trying to be more annoying than Hayden? He must be angling for his job.

Add my emails to the tally. I didn't cc. I forgot to mention it before. Click over the finger bones on the infernal abacus.

Blogger Corvinus June 15, 2015 8:26 PM  

@VFM bot #188
Nah, Jabba is the one married to Patrick Nielsen Hayden.

OpenID theycallmewry June 15, 2015 8:38 PM  

@Jourdan
[i]In less than 50 years, these people have defeated and destroyed just about every facet of Western Civilization.

They know how to fight and how to win.

Take this fight, for example; they haven't exactly folded up and conceded the obvious point, have they?[/i]

No, they haven't. They have relied on good men hearing them plead for "Social Justice" and they have guilted and divide and conquered Western Civilization into a place where we can't even recognize the institutions and character traits upon which our greatness was built.

And they now have turned the tables on those of us who would defend the many excellencies of our (now former) way of life. They are the ones who are in control of the positions of power. They are The Man against whom they have railed these past several decades.They are the ones who "punch down" and censor.

To many it would seem like the battle is lost. And the SJWs win by having the other side not even show up (yet again).

But what about when we actually do show up? With only the truth as our weapon and playing by the very rules and limits that the progressives have set? Well, if #GG is any measure (and I believe it is the best one since it is the one place I can think of where people took a principled stand against progressive incrementalism), We win. We meet all of our objectives. We drive them before us wailing and screaming about how unfair we are when all we did was report the truth.

The SJWs are coming out swinging here, because they know that if they lose another foothold like they lost gaming then the Alinsky playbook will have been show to be beatable... and who knows what other segments beyond gaming and SFF might look inward at itself and decide that they've put up with way too much identity political bullshit?

But as you say Jourdan, this mess took decades to create. It won't be a brief engagement getting the light of truth shone everywhere the SJW cockroaches have gathered, but I'm in this to engage without apology or surrender. I will never again humour the provably false PC claptrap spewed forth at me on a daily basis. My silence until now has emboldened my enemy and this shames me. I will let that shame be the fuel which drives my on.

(as to your saying that they haven't conceded the point, that much I very much agree with you on. I haven't yet decided because they are incapable of doing so due to ego-investment, or that being progressive is its own special sort of mental disease)

Blogger Thucydides June 15, 2015 8:45 PM  

But their problem is that it's not just me that they're facing, it's the Dread Ilk, the Ilk, the Sad Puppies, the Rabid Puppies, and the Evil Legion of Evil. And, most terrible of all, the Vile Faceless Minions.

And worst of all, for the SJW's, everyone else.

Two comments about things said upthread: There are plenty of other battles being waged right now against the SJW's and their world view. Reddit just decided to pull the same sort of stunt as Tor by suddenly deleting thousands of posts for unspecified wrongthink, now millions of people are suddenly engaged. American Universities are fighting lawsuits against their idiotic activities to deprive students of First Amendment rights, Due Process and even (most amusingly) Asian American students seeking redress for discrimination against them by these Universities. So the battle is being joined in many different places, and we will see a lot spill out as collateral damage as the 2016 election starts its ground roll. More and more people are going to take offence at the things the Democrat party and the lapdog media will be saying about them (especially generally apolitical people who were not terribly excited about the election), and many will take action in response.

As for the remark about joining with a 9mm, my service pistol is a Browning Hi Power (which really says more about my nation's commitment to military spending than anything else), but I have never had occasion to doubt when carrying. If you are looking for minions, look for the ones who are capable of using their weapons, rather than what they are carrying.

Blogger Danby June 15, 2015 8:47 PM  

they haven't conceded the point, that much I very much agree with you on. I haven't yet decided because they are incapable of doing so due to ego-investment, or that being progressive is its own special sort of mental disease

They haven't conceded the point, because to a large, even mentally ill, extent they are the political point. Their entire sense of worth comes out of their politics. They can't concede the point, because if they concede the point, they will no longer be special, no longer more morally advanced, no longer more sensitive, no longer more caring, no longer the font of wisdom they think themselves to be.

For many of these people, to admit they were wrong will literally destroy them emotionally. And since many of them are self-admittedly mentally ill, the stakes are just too high.

For decades they haven't had to improve themselves, just be yet more progressive. What happens when that's no longer enough?

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 9:02 PM  

@theycallmewry -

Excellent, excellent post, great point, I agree with you 100%. I especially agree that the fight will be fairly easy and decisive once we take the field with determination and anger.

Anonymous clk June 15, 2015 9:10 PM  

"It will be another 9 years and 9 months of us taking shots at you before we can even begin to consider calling it even."

Its actually only the first step in the grand strategy of VD ... (1) mobilize followers to secure Hugo as first test of enemies strengths (2) gather a bunch of SWFA eligible Scifi writers through Castalia House publications (watch for the effort of Castalia House becoming a qualifying market) (3) capture Nebulas (after all it would only require a 100 or so sympathetic associate members with 1 story and $80 each) and finally while in a commanding position (4) capture the SWFA presidency and board of directors.

"Vengeance is a dish best served cold" but if he has to lope off a few heads on the way so be it.


Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 9:12 PM  

@Thucydides -

As a Californian, one thing I notice all the time is that this war is about 20 years more advanced in California than it is elsewhere, yet people seem very reluctant to look there to see how their future will play out.

An excellent example? Back in the 1980s/90s it was those same Asian-Americans who killed affirmative action in admissions to the prestigious Univ of California system, especially to its top schools, Cal and UCLA. This was largely overturned by the Federal courts, but only to a degree. For example, the percentages of asian students at Cal for new freshman, Fall 2014 are: 30.3% (Chinese 19.7%, Japanese 1.7%, Korean 4.4%, Viet 3.1%, other asian 1.4% - I'm leaving out south asian from this group because I think they are a distinct racial sub-group, asian or not)

That number would be well over 50% but for highly illegal activity at UC keeping it down.

The lesson I think a restoration right should take from this is not "Asians could be our allies in killing affirmative action!", unless from a purely tactical perspective but rather the move telling and dangerous "Absent an anglo population and the anglo heritage, society and our country will revert back to tribal/racial conflict without end."

Anonymous clk June 15, 2015 9:12 PM  

SFWA .. sorry... bad typing skills

Blogger Groot June 15, 2015 9:36 PM  

Jourdan, I'm with you here in CA, deep in Silicon Valley. Read Charles Murray's Coming Apart and you will understand much: There are a few zones of "contiguous super-zips" in the USA (zip codes abutting each other that are in the top 1% in income and education). The big three are Silicon Valley (I can drive from south San Jose to SF without leaving the super-zips), Washington D.C. and New York City (Upper East Side, I believe). Publishing is losing power from NYC to independent publishing (see http://authorearnings.com/report/may-2015-author-earnings-report/), and thus from these high-income/high-education monocultures that have simply never left college to the real world. And they are sure that those people marry their sisters. The real world looks at these elites when the light gets turned on and are appalled, and the elites just don't get it. Hence the dhiarrheic "racist, sexist, blah, blah."

Anonymous LL June 15, 2015 9:47 PM  

If you take pride in Nate's pet names for you, you're definitely not Dread Ilk. That just makes you gay.

Blogger Ragin' Dave June 15, 2015 9:56 PM  

You want to know what a Vile Faceless Minion is?

A VFM is a person who's so fed up with the SJW's attack on decency and common sense that they sign up to be an attack dog, just to be able to do some damage in this current culture war.

I should know. I are one. #274, baby.

You want to call me a Nazi? Fuck you, I want your job.
You want to call me a misogynistic rape apologist? Fuck you, I want your job.
You want to attack the people I care about because of politics? Fuck you, I want your job.

You want to push people out of their jobs and their lives because of badthink? Fuck you, I want your job.

I want your jobs, I want your life ruined, I want you driven to the edges of civilization and left there, so that my kids can grow up in a country where being on the wrong side of popular politics isn't a career-ending move. I didn't choose this. The Left did. I didn't write the current rules we're playing by, the Left did. They chose the rules, they chose the battlefield, they chose the method of attack. Fine. I'm in. Let's play. And I won't be satisfied until I've won.

I don't start fights, but by God I'll finish them, and I'm fighting now.

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 9:57 PM  

Hiya Groot, my first job out of Cal was with Sterling Software, as a contractor at NASA Ames in Sunnyvale. Way over my head, but at least I got to see the birth of the Internet up close and personal.

I know the area well, and for the rich and powerful it's a beautiful world, but I'm sure guys like you and me know what most of San Jose is like and S.F., as my quebecois grandfather told me when I was little, is a lot like a too-old Montreal street-walker: from a distance, oh-la-la, close up, ugh.

They do talk that racism-sexism blather and I agree they live in a bubble.

But's its pretty hard not to notice that in their world--and there isn't a conservative Republican for miles--they live the cool life with imported Mexican labor does everything else. This always struck me as more Saudi than enlightened.

Blogger Groot June 15, 2015 10:10 PM  

Jourdan:

I am Groot.

Blogger Buddy E. June 15, 2015 10:17 PM  

Ragin Dave, that was awesome, kudos!

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 15, 2015 10:21 PM  

147. clk "It will be another 9 years and 9 months of us taking shots at you before we can even begin to consider calling it even."

Its actually only the first step in the grand strategy of VD ... (1) mobilize followers to secure Hugo ... and finally while in a commanding position (4) capture the SWFA presidency and board of directors.
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Think larger, clk. For example, if Tor ends up burning to the ground, and just between me and you I'd really like to see that happen, perhaps Macmillan catches on fire, too. That's the kind of burning city that can been seen from far across the river.

They may well raze their own SFWA Masada-style (maybe with a teensy bit of help from us) before allowing its capture. So what? Start a new Loyal SF Writers of Western Civilization Association with a big fat sign out front: No SJWs Allowed. Hey, maybe even start a publishing house or three.

Anonymous zen0 June 15, 2015 10:25 PM  

>152. Ragin' Dave

$*%*in' A, Ragin' Dave.

Mentally reload for the second salvo. It will come soon.
In the 1800's, the armies had to adjust whole strategies for the fact that technology allowed for rapid fire weapons.
We are in that window, methinks.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 15, 2015 10:30 PM  

152. Ragin' Dave

"... I didn't choose this. The Left did. I didn't write the current rules we're playing by, the Left did. They chose the rules, they chose the battlefield, they chose the method of attack. Fine. I'm in. Let's play. And I won't be satisfied until I've won."

I agree with this as far as it goes. It also appears that we are right in the middle of writing up a new, improved set of rules, something more in tune with the internet age.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 15, 2015 10:38 PM  

>, perhaps Macmillan catches on fire, too.

Don't get too far ahead, 156. Forrest Bishop VFM #0167.

Holtzbrinck sounds like an SJW pandering corp. Let's see how far they are committed..

When conducting a siege, identify the weak point of the fortress, and concentrate fire.

In the field, the defense will have the advantage if it coalesces and waits for a culmination point were they can go on the offensive, as per Clausewitz.

The beauty of 4G is that the attacker never seems to have to switch to defense, having not physical base to defend.

Stay Calm. Be Brave. Wait for the signs.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 15, 2015 10:50 PM  

159. Not-So-Merry zen0 June 15, 2015 10:38 PM

>, perhaps Macmillan catches on fire, too.

Don't get too far ahead, 156. Forrest Bishop VFM #0167.
...
Stay Calm. Be Brave. Wait for the signs.
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I agree and had that thought in my previous post, deleted for brevity. Didn't mean to distract from the focus on the target. Point is, this entire exercise and all the rest have many levels of purpose. Lots of us are taking notes.

Blogger maniacprovost June 15, 2015 10:51 PM  

OK, for your edutainment pleasure, I present:

Attack of the Nazi-Bots

Anonymous BGS June 15, 2015 11:01 PM  

"To many it would seem like the battle is lost. And the SJWs win by having the other side not even show up ""Why does't GRRM just spell it out and say "worse than that time when all us SJWs were arguing that child molesters had a place in fandom".

Child molesters and cop killers are the heroes of the left. If GRRM had the opportunity to wave a majik wand to turn me from someone that vocally advocated that I didn't want more money taken out of my paycheck to pay for LaTrina's 27 crack babies to transform me into a CHORF that paid money to blow her 27 crack babies he would be waving it now, just like Nate would prefer I be married to a 40+yo career cat lady. They have become so complacent in their echo chambers they are willing to post things that would have gotten them arrested before or had their kids taken away. This video was put on the internet by proud gay parents & SJWs defend it while arguing for lower ages of consent. In fact that might just be GRRM in the background from the look of the belly. http://ovenworthy.com/watch-this-young-boys-weird-trick-for-fighting-homophobia/

For decades they haven't had to improve themselves, just be yet more progressive. What happens when that's no longer enough?

While they talk about the end of white majority what they don't realize is they have basically pissed away all of the legacy and infrastructure built when whites didn't have large amounts of 3rd worlders leeching off them. LA had most of its public water infrastructure built in a year by guys wielding picks, shovels and donkeys. Affirmative actions couldn't replace a single stretch of water main in a year given current equipment.

Blogger Lanrick June 15, 2015 11:02 PM  

@152. Ragin' Dave
Thumbs up. I, for one, am tired of them expecting me to validate their psychosis.

Blogger Chiva June 15, 2015 11:03 PM  

This always struck me as more Saudi than enlightened.

Never thought of it this way, but I think you are close to what it is. I have never had much patience for people who cannot take care of their own property.
I have worked in Silicon Valley since the early eighties and have definitely seen the type of people here change drastically.

Blogger Jourdan June 15, 2015 11:09 PM  

Yeah, it's an odd thing that the current obvious racial breakdown of labor in the U.S. doesn't strike most people like it does me. To me it's always been like "well, you say your fighting racism and are progressive, but, er, it's kinda hard not to notice you're living a high life style with all the approved Apple products while all the people working--waiters, store clerks, street construction crews, painters, taxi drivers, everyone--are brown and struggling. AND it seems your view is that such work is demeaning and you'd never allow your kids to do something like that for a living.....hmmmm.

In any case, it's not the California I grew up in. For example, when I was a kid, the seasonal workers at Disneyland were all Anglo college kids. Now, they're all Mexicans/Guatemalans/Salvadoreans...who look fabulous in the European-themed uniforms (or costumes, as they say there).

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 15, 2015 11:13 PM  

@ 164. Chiva

I have never had much patience for people who cannot take care of their own property.

Me either. Psychologically, those people are no better than renters. Gypsies.
Ne'er do wells. Disconnected. Uninvested. Irresponsible. Flippant, entitled, meddlers, and arrogant without cause.

Blogger Chiva June 15, 2015 11:24 PM  

I did have a good laugh one time. When I was doing yard work a lady drove up in her Mercedes, she got out and asked me where the owner of the ranch was. I looked at her and acted like I didn't speak English. She told me slowly and loudly to "Give him her card". Funny thing is, I am a total Whitey.

Blogger bob k. mando June 16, 2015 12:33 AM  

152. Ragin' Dave June 15, 2015 9:56 PM
Fuck you, I want your job.



which is simply a variation on the 'Fuck you, pay me' video i posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3RJhoqgK8

another thing to keep in mind is this:
much of this would NOT be happening if dueling was still current.

you want to accuse me of being 'homophobic' and try to get me fired and ruin my life?

fuck you, we meet at dawn.

99% of the rabbits don't have the stones to back this up.

if the choices were back your words up with your life, be excluded from polite company or shut the fuck up ...

you see how this emotive incontinence would be curtailed.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 16, 2015 12:40 AM  

"If I could have been a fly on the wall at Tor today... my love."

^ Fixed that for yeah. No applause, no applause. Just throw money.

Blogger Kirk Parker June 16, 2015 12:44 AM  

FoB (#9),

"Game of Thrones is pretty well-written and pretty-well directed, but the secret to its brilliance lies somewhere else. Can you guess what it is?"

Hot babes.

Amiright?

Blogger rho June 16, 2015 1:19 AM  

Its actually only the first step in the grand strategy of VD ... (1) mobilize followers to secure Hugo as first test of enemies strengths (2) gather a bunch of SWFA eligible Scifi writers through Castalia House publications (watch for the effort of Castalia House becoming a qualifying market) (3) capture Nebulas (after all it would only require a 100 or so sympathetic associate members with 1 story and $80 each) and finally while in a commanding position (4) capture the SWFA presidency and board of directors.

That's interesting speculation, but I assume there are more irons in the fire than that. There aren't enough ingredients there to make a decent Hate Salsa. It's more like Angry Ketchup.

Then again, maybe this is VD running a guerrilla insurgency: you take your wins when they're offered and build ranks when they're not. Which would make it a Vengeful Grilled Cheese? My metaphors need work.

(I have noticed an uptick in liberals reaching their limits in tolerating political correctness. They're even starting to weary of the incessant cries of racism. The hardliners will forever be with us, but a church needs more than a preacher, and the congregation is finding better things to do on Sunday mornings.)

The final outcome will be fascinating. I suspect that your Standard SJW (with a G.I. Twitter and Tumblr handle) will turn and run immediately. Their inflated online numbers don't mean much as they can and will drop all hostilities, delete-fucking-everything and become born-again Mormons as soon as it seems the thing to do. For all his blather, Scalzi is a Standard SJW. He has always carefully couched his position with enough wiggle room that he can transition successfully into a Methodist if he needed to. He's not going to head for the ramparts if he can make a quick escape out a privy hole and begin a new life as a serf for a new master.

On another note, TIL there is a distinction between Dread Ilk and Ilk.

Blogger rho June 16, 2015 2:22 AM  

The SJWs do not desire your influence BECAUSE it is ultimately rooted in a belief of Perfection, ie., The Father of Inequality. And because this father is now mythically associated with white man THEN many SJWs have *you* psychologically pegged as that white father of inequality (your lineage obviously notwithstanding).

Man, this was the best of the LOLs.

All of the stupid "thread winners!" pale in comparison.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 16, 2015 2:36 AM  

I am royally unhappy with this entire matter a host of FacePalms doesn't illustrate the complete disaster and refusal to acknowledge so many countless problems in SF, Tor, the man in a dress, the issues require endless coverage.

Tis why wait and see continues!

But not at all at our hosts expense! However, superintel AWCA only view this as endless entertainment and rich content for professional growth. The Lord will uphold the truth and we too can continue to uphold the best, the honest, etc.

I want this entire matter ended and settled swiftly but that will not happen, therefore carry on gentlemen, of whom are so coveted among the impotent ones.

RapeRape owes me a load of roofies since he has such a thing for rape rapety rape. To further elaborate for SJW, I'll need to relax with at least 10 since 1 to 9 wont touch my aggravation level.

Then again aza non pill popper, I'll leave his supply of perving the hell alone.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 16, 2015 2:37 AM  

SJWs are utter screw-ups, their blunders are comical and farcical.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 June 16, 2015 3:21 AM  

@152. Ragin' Dave

Glad to stand beside you, sir!

Anonymous Friend of Bill June 16, 2015 3:46 AM  

"Hot babes. Amiright?"

You can find hot babes lots of places on TV. The trick is to find the _right_ hot babes: in other words, it's casting. It's one of the best-cast shows I've ever seen. The dresses those chicks wear are pretty groovy, but Emilia Clarke (Danaerys) wears it exactly right. And the guy who plays The Hound is just marvelous.

Game of Thrones is a tweaked version of the Wars of the Roses in bizarro drag. Tyrion is Richard Gloucester (viz., Richard the Third) with all the cunning, the bitterness, and the biting wit left intact, but much of the sheer seething malice removed. Tywin is a less tragic version of Bolingbroke, Lord Varous is John of Gaunt, Taman is Henry the Sixth, Robb Stark and John Snow split the part of Henry the Fifth, Joffrey is a perverse and insane rendition of Richard the Second. Brienne of Tarth is a weird version of Jeanne d'Arc. They don't seem to have a Falstaff though. Bronn comes close, but not close enough.

I very much dislike the nihilism and cruelty of the show, but I admire the acting and I'm relieved by the general lack of diversity. Hey look, a show about white people doing white people things -- riding horses, fighting with swords, arguing about the complexities of power and corruption. Good to see.

Now go get all the DVDs of Adventure Time, and watch some truly shocking, deep, original art.

Anonymous George of the Jungle June 16, 2015 3:49 AM  

Maybe the leftist trolls on this site can help me.

What I really want to know is, how many white microaggressions equal one black or moslem violent aggression? Is there a mathematical formula somewhere? Or do you just feel it somehow?

Blogger VD June 16, 2015 4:21 AM  

Any time I tell you something, you would do well to listen, Thordaddy. Do not say "sorry Vox" and promptly ignore what I told you. Because I will immediately delete your comments, and if met with further defiance, will proceed to spam them. This is the way it works every single time.

This is not up for debate. I am not interested in your justifications. The reason the discourse flows smoothly here is because I do not permit anyone to disrupt it on behalf of their own monomanias.

Anonymous j_p_z June 16, 2015 4:38 AM  

Man, I remember Thordaddy from the old days at LP, the purple blog. Good times. He wasn't quite so monolithically insistent back then. Perhaps his thinking has hardened into an ideology. That would be a shame, b/c in my view, ideology is the death of serious, real thought.

Anonymous j_p_z June 16, 2015 4:46 AM  

"You're making a mountain out of a mole hill here."

Ah c'mon, Thordaddy, relax. What VD is doing is asserting that it's his blog, which it is, and he wants the tone to be conducted a certain way, which is his right. Remember the kind of stuff tigtog used to do? I didn't agree at all, but I had to admit, hey, I'm playing on your playground, you get to say what the game is.

Blogger VD June 16, 2015 4:58 AM  

The next one gets spammed, Thordaddy, and you'll be banned for a week. I told you that I am not interested in hearing your justifications. Do not offer them. I have given you fair warning.

If you are stupid enough to think that you're going to fare any better than every single individual who has preceded you down this route, then the blog will certainly not miss your comments.

Blogger John Wright June 16, 2015 5:00 AM  

I can dimly understand how someone can mistake me for a homosex-hater.

After all, I use words like pervert and sodomite because they are accurate, and I am unconcerned that the connotations modern readers wrongly associate with these words these days make them sound more harsh than I mean them.

And I think sodomy is a sin, and would be unchaste and illogical even if it were not a sin. I have besetting sins of my own, and I know the types of excuses the corrupt heart makes when defending its beloved, precious, lovely sins: and that are the selfsame things I hear from pervertarians.

I regard telling a sodomy that sodomy is a licit exercise of the erotic passions to be the same as a bartenders trying to press one last brew onto am alcoholic before he gets into a car.

Alcoholics cannot help what they do either. That does not mean you legally declare drunkenness to be the same as sobriety.

Also, there are many who wrongly suppose sodomy is a civil right issue: that men should be able to wed men for the same reason blacks can wed whites. If one accepts this (absurd) premise, the conclusion that no reasonable and honorable opposition to the stance is, I suppose, inevitable: and from calling opponents dishonorable and unreasonable, to saying they are possess of a psycho-pathological phobia that forms the sole motive for their opposition... ah, well, no, I was going to say I understand that, but I do not. It is pure stupid served on toast with a side order of stupid.

But in any case, I can see why a dimwit would be willing to lie and say I was a homophobe. If he lied to another dimwit, he could giggle and be pretty sure of getting away with the lie.

But who is going to be fooled by calling me, me, of all people, a misogynist? My flaw lies entirely in the opposite camp: I am possessed by an irrational and mystical awe and reverence for women bordering on paganism.

What in the world are they thinking? Why do they say things they do not believe, do not expect anyone to believe, and which they know are false?

Blogger rho June 16, 2015 5:08 AM  

Alcoholics cannot help what they do either. That does not mean you legally declare drunkenness to be the same as sobriety.

You do not know the limits of a drunkard.

Anonymous Friend of Bill June 16, 2015 5:18 AM  

"You do not know the limits of a drunkard."

Drunkards are not the same thing as alcoholics. Read the Big Book.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 16, 2015 5:36 AM  

While I'm getting fit, finding allies and arms, mine enemies are opening up another packet of Doritos, taking a swig of high fructose corn syrup and looking for the next fool to fall on their sword from the safety of their padded armchair.

Bring it on!

Blogger VD June 16, 2015 6:44 AM  

But who is going to be fooled by calling me, me, of all people, a misogynist? My flaw lies entirely in the opposite camp: I am possessed by an irrational and mystical awe and reverence for women bordering on paganism.

John, if you put women any higher on pedestals, we'd have to call them stylites. You are literally the least misogynistic man I have ever met.

Blogger bob k. mando June 16, 2015 8:07 AM  

171. rho June 16, 2015 1:19 AM
TIL there is a distinction between Dread Ilk and Ilk.



and then there are The Mad, who go about raving in the dark. Kratman, for instance, keeps asking for 2x6s. i'd be happy with a 30' coil of rope.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 16, 2015 10:56 AM  

"This reminds me of a scene from some kung-fu movie, maybe The Forbidden Kingdon, I don't remember, but it involved Nazis attacking a Tibetan monestary, they follow the little asian guy into a small dark room, and eventually come flying back out all bruised and beat up.."

That sounds like Bullet Proof Monk

Anonymous tiredofitall June 16, 2015 1:14 PM  

"I did ask them to reconsider their relationship with JCW when the current contract ends." - Chris S

Let's see, Mr Wright who earns them filthy lucre by putting out books us homophobic misogynist neo-nazis like, versus the opinion of a raving SJW blowhard. Hmm, that's gonna be a toughie for them.

Blogger Thucydides June 16, 2015 10:05 PM  

@Jourdan

I was actually more amused that these Universities are finding their "affirmative action" policies are now being used against them than commenting on the merits of having or not having Asian students.

Of course, the other amusing thing is while they are gaming the "affirmative action" policies of these institutions, they are actually otherwise more representative of traditional American culture (work hard, study, delay gratification and save for the future) than the rest of the "American" students and the majority of the faculty and administration.

Perhaps that is the real reason the Universities are so dead set against including more Asian students; they fear exposure to traditional American culture, and a set of high achieving students in their midst would be difficult to explain using any SJW or Progressive metric.

Blogger Cuca Culpa June 17, 2015 1:31 AM  

Back in the heyday of the Patriarchy it was called "nagging". The more extreme cases were termed "bouts of hysteria".

The day I mastered the appearance of paying attention while the girlfriend was going off on why Scully's hair was some style or why OJ was innocent was the day I became a man.

Blogger Cuca Culpa June 17, 2015 2:14 AM  

But who is going to be fooled by calling me, me, of all people, a misogynist? My flaw lies entirely in the opposite camp: I am possessed by an irrational and mystical awe and reverence for women bordering on paganism.

According to the Kafkatrapping retort guide, you have.... solar flares? No... ah, sorry, that's from the BOFH excuse generator.

Here we are... you have... soggy internal knees? Oh wait, left the universal bullshit translator on again... 'internalized transmisogyracism.' The next struggle session starts in half an hour. Have a seat over there, and pick out a dunce cap.

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Blogger Groot June 17, 2015 3:53 AM  

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