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Friday, June 19, 2015

The broad-spectrum SJW attack

If you think the SJWs will ever leave you alone anywhere, in any industry, you are wrong. Even if you volunteer and provide your time and skills somewhere for free, they will attack you and try to remove you.
CoralineAda commented Jun 18, 2015
Elia Schito is publicly calling trans people out for "not accepting reality" on Twitter. His Twitter profile mentions that he is a core contributor to opal. Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing?

meh commented Jun 18, 2015
If you want him removed, start working on Opal and contributing as much as him to everything he did for Opal so we have a replacement that's more in orientation with your morals and views. Protip: you won't because you can't.

strand commented Jun 18, 2015
As a queer person this sort of argument from a maintainer makes me feel unwelcome. The ignorance which @elia shows by claiming that transfolk are "not accepting reality" is actively harmful. I will not contribute to this project or any other project which @elia maintains.

aredridel commented Jun 18, 2015
Damn. I found out about this project thanks to this issue, and it's super relevant to my interests. But not going to come near it with a thousand foot pole if these are the people I'd have to interact with.

bhaibel commented Jun 18, 2015
@meh You've said that you're committed to creating a welcoming environment for new contributors. Saying that is easy. Doing that is hard. You're failing at it: right now, as a queer woman, I do not believe Opal would treat any contributions I might make fairly. I do not believe that I would be welcomed onto the project.
Sounds familiar, doesn't it. Notice that none of them actually use Opal or have contributed to it, they just want to execute a drive-by disqualification. This is why SJWs have to be methodically ignored when they run their usual game and removed as soon as they are identified in your organization. They don't give a quantum of a damn about the project, the job, or the company, all of it is mere grist for their ideological mill.

Macmillan has learned that its SJWs are more concerned about denigrating those who won't kowtow to their insane ideology than promoting authors or selling books. It would do well to jettison them in their own self-interest, regardless of what we do, because SJWs cannot be rehabilitated and are always focused on furthering their agenda at the expense of their employers.
I was able to attend Representation Beyond Characters and Creating Comics. The former’s panelists were primarily people of color; the latter was all-female, including several women of color. Both talked about sneaking small but relatable details into worldbuilding, the difference between work-for-hire and creator-owned comics, and how publishers have responded to calls for greater diversity. Though the panels took place at different points during the con, they presented a refreshingly diverse lineup talking about real issues in modern storytelling.

However, Bennett cautions, while people are talking about how inclusive and wonderful it’s going to be in the future, they can’t take it as a given. “While I appreciate the optimism, that’s a trap I don’t want to fall into,” she said. “You have to remember that it takes active participation from every single person to make sure we keep this momentum going.”
Read that part again: "active participation from every single person" is required. Translation: they regard totalitarian thought-policing as not only desirable, but necessary.

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Blogger Seneca June 19, 2015 4:58 AM  

Social Justice Warrior; trying to convince the world that the insane should rule.

Blogger Rantor June 19, 2015 5:02 AM  

We will fight them on the beaches...

Blogger Rantor June 19, 2015 5:03 AM  

@Seneca. They already are.

Anonymous Steve June 19, 2015 5:45 AM  

So I can see why the SJW's have a problem with Elia Schito:

Ruby hacker and @opalrb core · ن catholic & unborn rights activist · loves his beautiful wife and wonderful children

Muh triggers!

A normal man with a wife and kids, "calling out" trannies and other retards who preface their comments with "as a queer person..."?

Wowjustwowthat'snotokaywhattheactualfuck?

Anonymous Mike M (minion 315) June 19, 2015 5:48 AM  

That's what I find so inexplicable. Were I a Macmillan stockholder, I would want heads. Insulting both your authors and your readers is a great way to lose business.

Anonymous Steve June 19, 2015 5:49 AM  

The cure for Social Justice Wankery

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 19, 2015 5:58 AM  

America is a Marxist country. heck, the whole world is that way. What we are witnessing is the storm troopers for Cultural Marxism. Just like in Mao's China, it is about denunciation. If they could, they would kill.

It is a Maoist hunt for reactionaries. Communism pure and simple.

Anonymous dantealiegri June 19, 2015 6:10 AM  

America may be a communist country, but until recently, it was only such for the underclass - to be in the top, you had to subject yourself to market. This is the explicit rejection of that.

I would imagine Opal will fold if it has any "PR" people, but if it is all crazy developers, they will go "meh, fsck off"

Anonymous Sensei June 19, 2015 6:13 AM  

We will fight them on the beaches...

The fact that in this ideological conflict "the beaches" are apparently mostly in cyberspace, with supply lines leading back to brick and mortar publishers, etc, arguably makes us all participants in what is basically a sci-fi war without even realizing it.

With a few tweaks, someone could write readable blue 'meta' sci-fi about this whole ongoing struggle over sci-fi itself...

"To the Knights of Equality faction's surprise, the Dogs of Woe began using aged but effective electronic artillery to loft a triple-layered bombardment which fell not only among their own defenses but into the domes of the M cabal, whose trade empire sustained their faction. While KoE countermeasures neutralized the dumb incoming projectiles, those falling into the cabal's richer demesne seemed to find their mark. For a few moments there was no response, the vast arcologies absorbing this offense, but DoW sensor arrays detected a flurry of communications being exchanged between the cabal and KoE logistics centers. Only time would reveal whether this particular gambit had proved effective."

It would be amusing, at least.

Blogger Red Bane June 19, 2015 6:18 AM  

I took a quick perusal of the PHN'S twitter feed the other day. With just a short scroll downward I found at least 2 anti-christian and nakedly bigoted comments he made or re-tweeted from other sources. I dare say a longer investigation would produce more results. Can we...should we compile an online record of these attacks in order to underscore his sociopathy and unsuitability for such a professionally public role?

Blogger VD June 19, 2015 6:22 AM  

Can we...should we compile an online record of these attacks in order to underscore his sociopathy and unsuitability for such a professionally public role?

Yes, post them here in the comments. And do it quickly, before the account gets scrubbed.

Blogger Shimshon June 19, 2015 6:25 AM  

"“It’s called cross-identifying,” Leth said. “It’s what everyone who grows up who isn’t represented has to do.”"

Is that a thing?

Am I "represented?" As a Jew, and still living in the US, I perhaps would be. But by living in Israel, I guess I'm not.

Still, is that a thing?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 19, 2015 6:52 AM  

dantealiegri June 19, 2015 6:10 AM America may be a communist country, but until recently, it was only such for the underclass - to be in the top, you had to subject yourself to market. This is the explicit rejection of that.

What dantealiegri doesn't comprehend is that there is such a thing as "Cultural Communism". That was Mao's greatest call for "Cultural Revolution". Zuckerberg, one of the richest men in the world, is now offering college scholarships for illegal immigrants in this country. The biggest push for cultural marxism is the richest people in the world. They are one worlders. Like the Bilderberger group and the Davos group. Oh, yeh, they work in the market and love capitalism but they love and work for cultural Marxism.

We are living under Mao's Cultural Revolution which has been ungoing since the 60s in this country. SJWs are Cultural Marxists which is a quasi religion. That is why it is so fervent. It is an ersatz religion. One must understand the enemy.


Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P June 19, 2015 6:55 AM  

slight derail, with apologies.

Don't know if youve seen, but over on File 770 they're claiming that because certain names don't appear on the members list (Vox, Col. Kratman & others), that the leaders of SP / RP cant be bothered to support their own campaigns.

Despite the fact that you can request your name not be listed . I'm presuming yet another example of "SJW's always lie".

http://file770.com/?p=23227&cpage=2#comment-289554

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P June 19, 2015 6:57 AM  

Bugger, thats the members list for worldcon. epic posting fail.

Blogger Shimshon June 19, 2015 7:01 AM  

Speaking of bots, reading the comments at the Opal post, I bet even the lowliest code monkey could write a bot to pass the Turing Test (SJW Variant). It's so easy, it's not even a fair test.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 19, 2015 7:04 AM  

My .02 worth, the SJW must be taunted to continually double down, and their moral superiority must never be accepted and always challenged.

Up to this point in time conservatives have been unwitting accomplices in the SJW march thru the institutions always trying to debate the propaganda and never disqualifying the propaganda and propaganda talking points is all the SJW have.

With the SJW continually doubling down then even conservatives will throw up their hands and admit trying to reason with them is useless, and then we on the Right can advance to 4GW instead of being stuck in the past.

Anonymous Steve June 19, 2015 7:04 AM  

Kryten - you smeghead!

I kept my name off the list too. Not for any particular reason, I just usually tick the privacy box if it's an option.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 19, 2015 7:05 AM  

The former’s panelists were primarily people of color; the latter was all-female, including several women of color.

I always get this mental image of companies and organizations sending out scouts, like naturalists looking for the last endangered blue-winged nut hatch, scouring the landscape for "women of color" with enough brains to show up and sit on panels looking diverse and not embarrass the place. Considering the intense demand for their services, can there be any left to discover?

I'd guess a project like opal (a Ruby to Javascript compiler, pretty dry stuff) probably requires at least a 130 IQ to understand well enough to contribute to, assuming you have any interest in it in the first place, which 99.9% of the population doesn't. It makes as much sense for opal contributors to worry about what "women of color" think as it would for the people planning Oprah's next cookbook to worry about what I think.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P June 19, 2015 7:16 AM  

@Steve - lol thanks :-)

I can certainly understand folks wanting to keep their names off the list, especially in this current climate. Still find it incredible that the SJWs can be so wilfully ignorant of facts when they don't align with their own views.

Blogger intuitivereason June 19, 2015 7:16 AM  

Really is a solid stacks on. Meh seems to have handled it pretty solidly though. Problem is so few others standing in support.

Blogger Shimshon June 19, 2015 7:24 AM  

"Problem is so few others standing in support."

It's an illusion. As Vox pointed out, the vast majority are quite literally drive-bys. Not a single contributor or even user of the code. They often to admit to simply searching for conflict ("I found out about this project thanks to this issue...") and otherwise had no interest in Opal itself. And then they rally the troops, the vast un(der)employed herds, to pile on. Throw in a bit of jargon to make it sound like you have the technical chops and would totally use and/or contribute to project if but for this one pesky detail. Presto, flash SJW disqualify.

Blogger Shimshon June 19, 2015 7:25 AM  

There are not this many Ruby users, and even though Ruby is considered "hip," I seriously doubt that it attracts perverts any more than, say, PHP.

Anonymous JohnnyLightwave June 19, 2015 7:29 AM  

If you read through that whole thread (I did, disbelief mounting every second), you see that eventually a new thread is created, and the new thread is titled "Creating a Code of Conduct"

What follows is about a thousand entries of programmers arguing for a proper code of conduct... *while not programming, or doing anything else useful*. Was this the goal all along? It's almost like vampires biting normal humans and turning them into vampires.

Blogger Nate Winchester June 19, 2015 7:37 AM  

16. Shimshon
Speaking of bots, reading the comments at the Opal post, I bet even the lowliest code monkey could write a bot to pass the Turing Test (SJW Variant). It's so easy, it's not even a fair test.


Wait! Someone has! Let's see... ah ha!
http://tumblr-argument-generator.lokaltog.net/

Have fun! =D

Man the further comments on the source Vox linked are hilarious (and "@meh" is my new hero).

erisdev commented 18 hours ago
because wanting a core contributor out because he doesn't like candy and you do is not dismissive?
@meh jesus christ. this isn't about "not liking candy", you fucking muppet, it's about making public statements against a class of people based on a core part of who they are. this is not. the same. fucking. thing.
if someone has openly expressed hostility toward me or people like me in one context, of course I'm not going to be fucking comfortable interacting with them in another context.


"a class of people based on a core part of who they are" Hmmm... like say.... religious folk?

Oh we can hoist so many of them by this petard.

jdax commented 18 hours ago
You cannot separate people from the technology they create or the technology they use. Ever. It's not possible. I cannot work with people if they bring to the table with them the idea that I, as a human, am wrong about who I fundamentally am at my core. This isn't about someone's "political" views - it's about him not seeing some people as even being human


I'd love to see how much tech she's now using could be traced back to having been developed in Germany or just wartime in general. It would probably make her head explode.

erisdev commented 18 hours ago
@meh calling me delusional isn't exactly professional, buddy ol' pal.


We have a winner! By SJW standards, the Torlings are entirely unprofessional.

nslater commented 18 hours ago
OSS projects are, at their core, about people. People who choose to come together to donate their time and attention to collaborate on a shared problem. Good technology is a side-effect of good people, well cared for. If you think you can produce technology without caring about people, you either misunderstand tech, or you are happy to limit your pool of contributors to people with a lot of privilege and a thick skin, i.e. the usual suspects: aggressive young white men.


And I'm tapping out this round. Because if there's one thing we know, it's that war (and all that hatred of people) is completely a tech limiter and that's why nothing ever advances when we try killing each other. The a-bomb was all about mass delivering hugs after all.

Anonymous Anonymous June 19, 2015 7:39 AM  

fnd:

Reading that github thread gaves me headache. So much SJW's gathered in one place one could actually mistake for normal people.

And the lies, God, how much they lie, saying that a developer called transgenders subhuman. Or if you don't want to be treated like a subhuman, stop acting like one?

Blogger Cail Corishev June 19, 2015 7:45 AM  

I would imagine Opal will fold if it has any "PR" people, but if it is all crazy developers, they will go "meh, fsck off"

Unfortunately, you can't count on that. Many developers are just as cowed as the mainstream, plus they have a dose of nerdy white knight that makes it worse. I was reading the documentation for a fairly obscure Perl module the other day, and the coder who wrote it had used all female pronouns. Why? It's possible that no woman will ever read that doc, and if one does, she won't be the sort that will faint at the sight of male pronouns. But some guy was determined to do his part for the matriarchy. Maybe he tells girls about it at parties.

Some of you know who FreeBSDGirl is. I work with FreeBSD, so I followed her on Twitter for a while, along with a bunch of other people, until I realized she mostly posted about feminist crap. But I still see her tweets retweeted by others, since being a girl gets her a thousand times more followers than she deserves. The other day, she tweeted about a new book on FreeBSD that came out. She said the content was pretty good, but she reserved her !!!!!!!! for the fact that it used all female pronouns. I'm sure the author got a warm feeling that a girl noticed and used his name on Twitter; it's almost like she slept with him.

So all open-source projects are susceptible to entryism. It comes down to the leaders, whether they'll slap it down as Linus did a while back. Elia Schito probably writes more code in his head while he takes a shower than Randi Harper does in a year, but that won't keep the SJWs from destroying his projects if he lets them in.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet June 19, 2015 7:50 AM  

VD

"active participation from every single person"

Is it your opinion this statement typically represents an attempt at thought-policing or only in this context?

I've always believed it a weird, unmeasurable business maxim in many places, and this might hit the nail on the head.

Blogger VD June 19, 2015 7:57 AM  

Is it your opinion this statement typically represents an attempt at thought-policing or only in this context?

Without question.

If you read through that whole thread (I did, disbelief mounting every second), you see that eventually a new thread is created, and the new thread is titled "Creating a Code of Conduct"

They took the bait. What they should have done is immediately deleted every comment made by an SJW, blocked those accounts, and thereby shut down the assault. The Code of Conduct will be used as a weapon against them in the future.

Blogger Nate Winchester June 19, 2015 8:01 AM  

26. Anonymous
And the lies, God, how much they lie, saying that a developer called transgenders subhuman.


Worse than that. Follow this:

For context:

ghost commented
@meh jesus christ. this isn't about "not liking candy", you fucking muppet
I find @erisdev's taking the Lord's name in vain and using profanity to be deeply insulting to my religious beliefs.
I will not use any project that @erisdev contributes to.

erisdev commented
@jedstraw @andrewmcwatters good, I don't want you using my software. do you think this is some kind of joke?

ghost commented
@erisdev Not joking at all. The fact that you think I'm joking is just a sign that you have zero empathy for people that share my belief.

erisdev commented
@jedstraw @andrewmcwatters cool gaslight brah.


That's what they've gone to now. Facts and consistent logic are "gaslighting." GASLIGHTING! What's the definition of that, Google?

to manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.

They're all insane and they've concocted the perfect defense against being accused of it.

Blogger Quizzer W June 19, 2015 8:32 AM  

OT but of interest, I believe. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/from-quote-to-retraction-request-imaxs-absurd-attempt-to-censor-ars. You can see how many lefty bots are complaining about the way a corporation is treating their customers, in this case IMAX.

Anonymous Anonymous June 19, 2015 8:41 AM  

FND:
They lie and exagerate, but when people call them witch hunters, they get offended "how dare you compare us to actual murderers!!1!"

The developer "meh" is logical and level headed in his quest to free speech(even SJW's admit this by being triggered by his logic). In the end, SJW's are right that feels trumps the free speech principle, and this is why they must be dismissed the moment they show their colors. SjW's will use their free speech to suppress our own. It was always been like that

Anonymous Anonymous June 19, 2015 8:44 AM  

fnd:
When SJW's baited him by asking if he would work with a pedophile(this is what they think of us Christians), he should have responded "If he can code in jail, then he can contribute just fine"

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 19, 2015 9:18 AM  

For those who don't follow such things, FreeBSDGirl is the blue haired land whale that implemented the ggautoblocker blockbot for Twitter. You know, to protect precious snowflakes from badthinkz. And KFC.

Blogger Shimshon June 19, 2015 9:24 AM  

Vox, your fame is spreading (:-).

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/06/allan-davis/the-sci-fi-establishment/

Anonymous Steve June 19, 2015 9:27 AM  

If you think you can produce technology without caring about people, you either misunderstand tech, or you are happy to limit your pool of contributors to people with a lot of privilege and a thick skin, i.e. the usual suspects: aggressive young white men

I literally LOLed.

Yes, it would be a shame if we missed out on the valuable technological breakthroughs that paraplegic Samoan transsexual lesbians have to offer.

I still vividly remember the day Nelly Armweak landed on the Moon....

Nelly tentatively lowered her wheelchair down the ramp of the Lunar Lander.

She keyed her radio to transmit.

"That's... one small roll for a transperson... one slightly longer but equally valid roll for transperson-of-colour-kind"

NASA Mission Control went wild with jazz hands and enthusiastically consensual hugging.

Flight Director Jean Kranz wept openly, makeup streaming down xer face and xer facial piercings glistening with tears of joy.

But not everyone was happy.

Hunched over a mahogany desk in the White House, President Richard Nixon's face was as dark and turbulent as a stormcloud.

"Those Goddamn fucking freaks!", he raged, flinging a telephone at a bust of Woodrow Wilson.

Across the desk, an older man sat impassively. His brow was furrowed with thought.

"Mr. President," he began, in a strong, deep voice that belied his advanced years, "don't worry. My best men are already working on this problem."

Nixon cocked an eyebrow.

"How the fucking tittyfucking fuck are you going to unfuck this fuckup, Hoover? The whole world will be laughing at us! The Russkies will invade! Hell, even the Goddamn Chicoms will feel like taking us on when they find out what happened! Mark my words - we'll be balls deep in those little yellow bastards within five years! I hope you like rice!"

J. Edgar Hoover appeared unruffled, but his eyes sparkled with restrained anger as he leaned forward to soothe his President.

"Mr. President, I said don't worry. Kubrick is in the editing suite as we speak. When we release the official version of events, the whole world will think that God-fearing white men landed on the Moon. We've already cast the heroes. You're going to love them."

Nixon's rage abated, but was replaced with nervousness.

"But what about those pinko pervert freaks at NASA? Won't they tell everyone the truth? I can't afford a coverup being exposed."

Hoover smiled and motioned to the third man in the room.

"Think you can handle it, Elvis? This could earn you that special agent badge you always wanted."

Elvis Aaron Pressley ran his fingers over a pearl-embossed 1911 with "TCB" engraved on its handle.

He sneered.

"Mr. President... Mr. Hoover... all due respect, sirs. But it's time for a little less conversation and a little more action. You just tell me which hound dogs you need putting down, and I'll make sure they leave the building. Thank you very much."

Hoover laughed and clapped the younger man on the shoulder.

"That's the spirit, Elvis. Take them to Heartbreak Hotel."

Blogger Cail Corishev June 19, 2015 9:31 AM  

FreeBSDGirl is the blue haired land whale

You'll notice, though, if you look her up on Twitter, that she uses a pic there that must be many years old, and which uses the Myspace Angle to hide any fat and make her almost look cute (if you're into the blue-haired pixie thing). Because it's all about the code.

Blogger Mark Citadel June 19, 2015 9:32 AM  

What a gang of malevolent monstrosities.

"As a queer woman... blah blah blah"
"As a regular person, I say get back in the kitchen!"

Comments from these people are organized drive-by attacks that are designed to toxify water around a project. As usual however, it doesn't really work very effecticely because they are such digital dummies.

Anonymous The other robot June 19, 2015 9:32 AM  

Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing?

Probably a more important question is:

Are there any real transgender developers?

That is, developers who have actually contributed something, not weirdos who keep using the so-called unwelcome mat for excusing their inability to actually do the stuff required.

Blogger Nate Winchester June 19, 2015 9:33 AM  

36. Steve

LOL that makes me wish Vox would run a flash fiction book from castalia house, maybe called "Tales from the Ilk."

Blogger Dexter June 19, 2015 9:35 AM  

My .02 worth, the SJW must be taunted to continually double down, and their moral superiority must never be accepted and always challenged.

Good luck with that. Over time they'll double down on crazy even without any taunting.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 19, 2015 9:37 AM  

The biggest push for cultural marxism is the richest people in the world. They are one worlders. Like the Bilderberger group and the Davos group. Oh, yeh, they work in the market and love capitalism but they love and work for cultural Marxism.

The dirty not-so-secret truth about Marxism is that the only economically successful Marxists (and even then, only temporarily) were those who were heretics from the pure doctrine of Marx and embraced corporations as colluders with the government and co-eval syndicate with labor and the government. The Soviet Union, Venezuela, Cuba, Vietnam, China--they call themselves communists, but in reality their economic planning model has more in common with mainstream fascism than with "pure" Communism, which has been marginalized as the Trotskyist heresy.

In that context, it makes perfect sense that the corporate heads are aligned heart and soul with the corporate Marxists of the government and academia. It's their cronyist move to plunder the wealth of the productive, which has always been a feature of any applied Marxist government.

Anonymous The other robot June 19, 2015 9:43 AM  

I cannot work with people if they bring to the table with them the idea that I

So, have you actually contributed anything of value to any project? If not, fuck off until you do.

Anonymous Roundtine June 19, 2015 9:51 AM  

The SJWs are tools for powerful people whose goal is to sabotage their competitors. It's a low cost and almost risk-free weapon because anyone of sufficient position who understands the SJW cannot be harmed by the SJW.

Tor is actually controlled by Vox Day and several of the main Twitter accounts involved in anti-gamergate and pink sci-fi are Dread Ilk sock puppets.

VFM# withheld for operational security

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) June 19, 2015 9:55 AM  

Steve, that was greatness.

Blogger Quizzer W June 19, 2015 9:59 AM  

"It's a low cost and almost risk-free weapon because anyone of sufficient position who understands the SJW cannot be harmed by the SJW."

Couldn't disagree more. Even someone who understands the attack can still see the savagery that will be reported in the media will do harm to them, their business, or their employees. This doesn't even begin to cover "governmental busybodies" that can be called down upon them. Nor frivolous lawsuits, which still cost plenty of money to defend, or settle.

No, the shrieking from the SJW is growing more dangerous every day. Even to those who recognize it for what it is.

Blogger JDC June 19, 2015 10:02 AM  

Read that part again: "active participation from every single person" is required.

All your base are...ah forget it, you know the rest.

...they just want to execute a drive-by disqualification.

They don't care about the organization / institution, they would just as soon burn it as permit it to continue without their input / directives.


Anonymous Eric Ashley June 19, 2015 10:04 AM  

This lefty as others, knows the Future, which will be Left, and so that they will go down in History as a Hero of the Revolution.

I suggest depriving them of this pschyological support.

Anonymous AlteredFate June 19, 2015 10:09 AM  

@Sensei
@Steve

That. Was. Awesome.

Elvis: Dog of Woe OG

Anonymous The other robot June 19, 2015 10:14 AM  

Oblivious says:

It's been a week...

I have already instituted a boycott of Tor and Macmillan.

I will not buy any more books from them until they publish Kratman.

Anonymous JohnnyLightwave June 19, 2015 10:14 AM  

>>Even someone who understands the attack can still see the savagery that will be reported in the media will do harm to them, their business, or their employees.

Your statement reveals something: All the wounds from SJW's are self inflicted. Everyone is just twitter stabbing a "targeted" person because they think they're going to get twitter stabbed if they don't get stabbing.

That delusion will break, and break hard, at some point. One of the things I didn't realize until this whole Puppies thing is what a tremendous minority is making all the noise. It's like the Bolshevik's forming their "massive popular revolution" in Russia with about 300 people.

This can be fought.

Blogger Quizzer W June 19, 2015 10:28 AM  

@JohnnyLightwave

I agree it can be fought, but they have far more numbers than "our side" gives them credit for. How many millenials graduate from college each year, fully indoctrinated koolaid drinkers? How many "agree enough" that they won't take up rhetorical arms?

I have Ars Technica in my feedly list - 265k subscribers, comments skew heavy SJW. The Mary Sue has 8k subscribers and it is all SJW. Right-leaning sites pale in comparison to these. I think HotAir, which I know is not popular here, has the most at 5k.

It will turn because their views are in no way compatible with reality. But there will be tremendous collateral damage along the way.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 19, 2015 10:34 AM  

The thing about that, though Quizzer W, is that the more or less unaligned, who are indoctrinated, but don't really care and probably are skeptical anyway, if my own younger years are any guide, are starting to have their eyes opened more and more now. The actual movers and shakers of the totalitarian Left are relatively few in number.

Of course, the movers and shakers of the freemen of the Right are also relatively few in number. But in spite of literally generations of brainwashing by cultural Marxists, the mainstream still remains more center right than not, which means--as JohnnyLightwave said; they can be fought.

Honestly, they must be fought anyway, even if no apparent hope of victory were in sight. As Christians we know this; we know that Satan has been given free reign to run the world of men into the Pit and now is certainly one of the greatest triumphs of his reign. But even so, we also know that in the end he will be defeated, the Lord will return in triumph and glory, and the faithful will be raised to sit at His right hand. As one guy I know of said; the score is already finalized and on the board. The only thing left to decide is which jersey we're going to be wearing.

Anonymous rienzi June 19, 2015 10:39 AM  

"If you think you can produce technology without caring about people, you either misunderstand tech, or you are happy to limit your pool of contributors to people with a lot of privilege and a thick skin, i.e. the usual suspects: aggressive young white men"


So, by not being a caring inclusivist, and by limiting your pool of contributors to those evil rotten privilagist straight white guys, you still get 99.99999% of those capable of contributing. Works for me.

Anonymous JohnnyLightwave June 19, 2015 10:41 AM  

From "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" (If you haven't read it, drop everything and do so)

http://www.shmoop.com/one-flew-over-cuckoos-nest/a-pecking-party-symbol.html

>McMurphy describes a "pecking party" as a situation in which chickens see blood on another chicken and start pecking at it like crazy until they’re all bloody, pecking at each other in a frenzy, and end up killing each other. McMurphy points out that Nurse Ratched’s Therapeutic Community meetings are pecking parties. Nurse Ratched gets one of the men to reveal his weakness, and then all of the patients follow her lead, "pecking" at the man. This starts off a chain reaction that hurts all of the men, sets them all against each other (instead of against Nurse Ratched), and keeps them all feeling weak (and emasculated). Thus the "therapeutic" meetings aren’t a time when patients can provide each other with mutual and beneficial help, but a time when they end up hurting each other and making it all worse.

When I read the Opal thread, this was all I could think.

Blogger Quizzer W June 19, 2015 10:46 AM  

@Joshua Dyal

I completely agree with your last two paragraphs.

Your first, well, I hope you are right. I'm skeptical. These kids have not been taught history, or reasoning, or consequences. This is a bad combination with the prevailing Progressive notions about what their utopia should be like. Will reality smack them in the face one day? I have no doubt. What will be left when that happens, though?

Anonymous JohnnyLightwave June 19, 2015 10:47 AM  

Actually, I take that back-- I didn't see a pecking party on the Opal Thread-- what I saw was a whole lot of Nurse Ratched's popping in, trying to get one started.

Anonymous JohnnyLightwave June 19, 2015 10:49 AM  

>>These kids have not been taught history, or reasoning, or consequences.

But for the most part, you don't need to be taught these at all. An interest in history tends to come with age, as soon as you grow up enough to realize that Real Actual Humans existed before you were born. Knowledge of reasoning and consequences comes automatically to anyone who works outside of a university or government.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 19, 2015 11:01 AM  

A hearty "atta avatar" to the Opal contributors who simply defended the old line:

There are no girls on the Internet, because it doesn't matter, you are a screen name and a handle.

These people who claim that anonymity makes them "second class" are just so hung up on themselves. If somebody doesn't drag it into the project, it doesn't get into the project, and it shouldn't be in the project. If he was making his commit remarks "Fixed a typo, you soulless ginger freak" or responding to tickets saying "You have badthink therefore you should be blackballed" that would be different, as it would be in the project. I believe it was Oscar Wilde who said he liked football because he could sit and enjoy the game with the most fundamentalist baptist Christian and, during the enjoyment of that shared hobby, neither one had to talk or think about anything but football.

"If it works for you, use it, if it doesn't, don't."

The open source ethos I remember. Filing tickets demanding a code of conduct for contributors is totalitarian. If the code works and conforms to coding standards, it will be accepted.

The egalitarian vibe has done more to let people with very little capital get involved than the would-be defenders of the downtrodden ever have or ever will.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 19, 2015 11:04 AM  

"being unable to work with people you don't like when the interactions are strictly professional, is entirely your problem."

This is my favorite.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 19, 2015 11:05 AM  

I agree it can be fought, but they have far more numbers than "our side" gives them credit for. How many millenials graduate from college each year, fully indoctrinated koolaid drinkers? How many "agree enough" that they won't take up rhetorical arms?

Right. It's not just the doctrinaire SJWs that are the problem, but all the people who think of themselves as moderate yet have fully absorbed SJW doctrines. The latter give the former their power. That's not to be defeatist, just to understand the extent of the problem.

On one programming forum I frequent, we recently kicked around what to do about one poster who consistently posts unhelpful and confusing answers to newbie questions. He has a hobby-horse of one particular solution set that he applies to everything, and his obfuscating style of writing would make P. Sandifer proud. He should have been banned from the site long ago, but the consensus was that we can't because Censorship Is Bad. They decided that the other regulars of the site just need to follow him around thread to thread correcting all his bad advice. Better for expert volunteers to waste hours babysitting a troll than to raise the foul specter of Censorship.

But make one post saying "Girls can't code," and they'd flip out. The post would be wiped within minutes without a single qualm about censorship, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were a discussion about banning you. That's not because they're a bunch of SJWs; I've seen no sign that any of them are serious SJWs. (I'm not sure you can have a logical enough mind to be a real coder and also be a SJW.) But they've all absorbed the mainstream equalitarian beliefs, and they know that you must condemn badthinkers lest you be thought a badthinker yourself. It's not even personal with them; it's just what they've been taught about the limits of acceptable behavior.

Blogger Quizzer W June 19, 2015 11:06 AM  

@JohnnyLightwave

You are not wrong but a huge number are not *getting* jobs. Last I saw the unemployment rate for new grads was 16%? 20%? That's a lot of kids living at home *not* being smacked in the face by their grocery bill.

History is important *now* because once we're to the "free speech for me but not for thee", "my freedom of conscience trumps your freedom of conscience", and "gee, we'd all be safer if none of you had guns," things go downhill. So I guess in 40 or so years when they discover that interest and realized everything they've learned in life has been a lie, it'll all be good then?

This matters now. We need to know the enemy, and underestimating their numbers or how dangerous they can be is a huge mistake. That is all I'm trying to say.

Anonymous The other robot June 19, 2015 11:11 AM  

Meanwhile, it seems he wanted a race war.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 19, 2015 11:11 AM  

If anyone ever finds this secret elephant graveyard wherein hides all of the smart queer and non-Asian minority people of tech they will be rich beyond their dreams. The reality is the smartest black woman the NAACP could find turned out to be white.

I always get this mental image of companies and organizations sending out scouts, like naturalists looking for the last endangered blue-winged nut hatch, scouring the landscape for "women of color" with enough brains to show up and sit on panels looking diverse and not embarrass the place. Considering the intense demand for their services, can there be any left to discover?

Every gay pride I have ever been to had people handing out cards saying "anyone need a job" I never bothered to pick one up because I figured it would be low paying with no qualifications. I will have to pick some up maybe there is a 6 figure token do nothing but look pretty job out there with no call.

When SJW's baited him by asking if he would work with a pedophile(this is what they think of us Christians), he should have responded
Hey if Obama can have one for a bundler like the arrested Terry Bean why not?

either misunderstand tech, or you are happy to limit your pool of contributors to people with a lot of privilege and a thick skin, i.e. the usual suspects: aggressive young white men
Zambian President Sata “We want the Chinese to leave and the old colonial rulers to return. They exploited our natural resources too, but at least they took good care of us. They built schools, taught us their language and brought us the British civilisation. At least Western capitalism has a human face; the Chinese are only out to exploit us.”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/davidblair/100175001/zambian-miners-crush-a-chinese-manager-to-death-remember-that-when-beijing-boasts-about-its-win-win-african-parternships/

Anonymous Quartermaster June 19, 2015 11:17 AM  

"Speaking of bots, reading the comments at the Opal post, I bet even the lowliest code monkey could write a bot to pass the Turing Test (SJW Variant). It's so easy, it's not even a fair test."

Eliza already does that.

Blogger GK Chesterton June 19, 2015 11:19 AM  

Stunning. I believe I may have met Elias. Hadn't hurt of Opal. It is, however, something that looks like it will fit into my current project very well. Will be pimping it with wild abandon using my cis-normative white male authoritas.

Good Lord I hate these people. And by "these people" I do not mean trans-gendered or gays, I mean people that will actively destroy you for having the wrong opinions. And I love how in thread they totally blow over the blasphemy as not offensive.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 19, 2015 11:20 AM  

They already have a website where you have to pledge your project will only do goodthink and will ban badthink. The idea that open source software is "all about the people" versus solving a particular problem just doesn't make sense, but perhaps that's Aspie privilege where I just want a solved problem and don't care if the guy who wrote it hates my guts, because I know I use software from people who hate my guts.

Blogger Dexter June 19, 2015 11:30 AM  

If anyone ever finds this secret elephant graveyard wherein hides all of the smart queer and non-Asian minority people of tech they will be rich beyond their dreams.

The other day I was sitting in Starbucks and overheard what sounded like a tutoring session between some black college student and his white tutor. The subject was computer programming. Damn it was painful to listen to. The poor kid lamented that he'd gotten a D on the last test even though he'd tried so hard (though who even knows what that means). The tech geek midichlorians hadn't colonized him, that's for sure.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 19, 2015 11:35 AM  

"We're not talking about thought policing. People can think whatever they want. But they shouldn't share beliefs in harmful ways and drive contributors away."

We have reached the Islamic mantra: There is no compulsion. You can believe whatever you want, provided you do all the right actions, and never say what you truly believe.

You can believe what you want, provided you do the Arthur Chu and you sublimate all of those things that are bad. Put the shackles on your mind!

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 19, 2015 11:44 AM  

"And this doesn't stop with opal. Think of all the people who had the potential to contribute to OSS (or even become devs at a closed source shop and do useful work), but saw the developer community that reacts with hostility to their mere existence, and then went somewhere else. Usually we don't even hear their voices because they don't even get that far into our communities."

It's amazing how the argument is to remove somebody actually producing output in favor of somebody who could, potentially, one day, walk in and contribute. The birds in the bushes are always their top concern.

Blogger GK Chesterton June 19, 2015 11:59 AM  

"And this doesn't stop with opal. Think of all the people who had the potential to contribute to OSS (or even become devs at a closed source shop and do useful work), but saw the developer community that reacts with hostility to their mere existence, and then went somewhere else. Usually we don't even hear their voices because they don't even get that far into our communities"

What is even more ironic is Opal appears to tie two communities together: Ruby and Javascript. Node and Ruby together! Friendship at last! If only it wasn't obviously run by a follower of the ELoE.

Blogger Danby June 19, 2015 12:09 PM  

"And this doesn't stop with opal. Think of all the people who had the potential to contribute to OSS (or even become devs at a closed source shop and do useful work), but saw the developer community that reacts with hostility to their mere existence, and then went somewhere else. Usually we don't even hear their voices because they don't even get that far into our communities."


If they're out there, why aren't they producing code? The infrastructure is in place. Github is free. All it requires is coding. If they're out there, so smart and productive and all, ready to contribute, where is the code?

Why do they need a bunch of "aggressive white men" to start and manage the project before they'll think about coding?

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 19, 2015 12:10 PM  

Well, the woman who instigated it has now set up a fork of Opal. Hopefully she deletes all of their #2 contributors code for badthink and rewrites it with goodthink. I think goodthink uses tail recursion.

Blogger epobirs June 19, 2015 12:17 PM  

This is why Linus Torvalds is an effective project leader. He doesn't give a damn if somebody gets bad feelz from having their code criticized.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 19, 2015 12:33 PM  

If they're out there, so smart and productive and all, ready to contribute, where is the code?

This is why they must believe that there's someone out there stopping them. Look around and try to find a woman coder -- not a "Woman In Tech" who gives a lot of talks at conferences, but a woman who's producing code on a regular basis comparable to the men in her field. I keep telling myself she must exist, because in a world of 7 billion people, every combination of talents must exist, but she's extremely elusive. Ditto NAM coders. If you look hard enough you can surely find some, but their numbers are so low that even SJWs can't ignore their lack.

So there are three possibilities:

1) They can't hack it. This is unthinkable.
2) They don't want to. This is almost as unthinkable, because it implies that they're different, if not less able.
3) Someone won't let them. This is not only thinkable, but fits it perfectly with their other beliefs.

As you point out, the tools are all there, free for use, and you can contribute to software completely anonymously. But that just proves how sneaky the bastards are, and how institutionalized the bias is. The bias in tech is like dark matter: you can't see it or measure it, but you know it's there because of its effects.

Blogger Quadko June 19, 2015 12:52 PM  

They're even sounding more and more like old fashion southern racists - at least as depicted in movies.

"My kingdom for a self-aware SJW!"

Anonymous Dan in Tx June 19, 2015 12:54 PM  

So, are all SJW's frustrated women and faggots? I mean seriously, who talks like this:

"Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing."

"As a queer person this sort of argument from a maintainer makes me feel unwelcome. The ignorance which @elia shows by claiming that transfolk are "not accepting reality" is actively harmful.

"...right now, as a queer woman, I do not believe Opal would treat any contributions I might make fairly. I do not believe that I would be welcomed onto the project."

I mean my initial reaction as a regular guy is, "Who gives a shit if you feel comfortable or not?" I mean, who the hell talks this way? They all sound like condescending women talking to a misbehaving child. If some woman tried to talk that way to me in real life I'd either laugh in her face or slap the shit out of her, depending on mood / situation. I can't believe these weak dregs are actually steering the culture in our society and have an influence on people losing their jobs etc.. Amazing.

Blogger Danby June 19, 2015 1:12 PM  

@Dan in TX
On campus, the magic words are "I feel unsafe." That's because the current fedgov bureaucratic rule is that any fedgold recipient has to make all people feel safe, no matter how much of a freak they are. "I don't feel safe is." shorthand for "Don't make me get out the US Dept of Education on your sorry ass."

"I don't feel safe." is slowly (as these things go) being replaced by "I don't feel welcome." As faggots and trannies should always be welcomed, no matter their behavior, cause they're special. It's not catching on as fast because it's not backed up by the state.

Anonymous BGS June 19, 2015 1:12 PM  

So there are three possibilities: 4) Any NAM smart enough to do it is at a higher paid no work job trying to avoid looking stupid.

So, are all SJW's frustrated women and faggots? How could you ignore the non Asian STR8SJWs of color? NAMSTR8SJWOC

Blogger Cail Corishev June 19, 2015 1:13 PM  

Well, the woman who instigated it has now set up a fork of Opal.

Excellent, a test case. We're lucky that The Man didn't prevent her from forking it (he must have been distracted watching golf), so we'll be able to see how much better SJWs are at producing code when they aren't being oppressed and microaggressed into quivering balls of tears. [/me makes note to check the projects in a month and see how goodthink-opal compares with badthink-opal.]

Blogger automatthew June 19, 2015 1:37 PM  

Well, the woman who instigated it has now set up a fork of Opal.

Remind me to submit lots of pull requests with changes in indentation and punctuation of comments.

Blogger GK Chesterton June 19, 2015 2:07 PM  

Oh Auto, you. I'd say just include unfathomably nested regex

Blogger automatthew June 19, 2015 3:57 PM  

Because it's Ruby, I could do some unfathomably evil things with scopes. Especially if the project uses Refinements.

Anonymous Silent Coding Majority June 19, 2015 5:56 PM  

The thing about the SJW fork of Opal is that (depending on the license, of course) there is nothing that the SJWs can do to prevent the original project from simply pulling in any of their commits. Github makes this a point and click operation. If it's a GPL licensed project it would be a violation for the forkers to not publicly release *under the same license* any changes that are distributed to end users.

That's the double-edged sword of OSS. When you release something under a permissive license, you can't stop anyone from using that code under the terms of said license - even if they are evil wrongthinking bigots. Further proof that these parasite SJWs are beyond clueless.

( First time post from a long time lurker! )

Blogger automatthew June 19, 2015 6:29 PM  

It's the MIT license, a very free one, which is typical for Ruby projects. Meaning that, so long as the forked repo is kept public, any valuable changes can easily be merged into the original Opal repo.

Note also that there are already more than 100 forks, which does not signify community fragmentation. On GitHub, one forks a project which one intends to play with and possibly contribute back to. Forking a community is much harder. Cf. the recent Node.js/io.js brouhaha.

Blogger GK Chesterton June 19, 2015 6:31 PM  

I am not a Ruby wizard but I do love the language since I started with Perl (A Long Time Ago in Galaxy Far, Far Away...). If she forks and contributes more power to her. My guess is she won't.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 19, 2015 6:36 PM  

SCM, that's true, but it doesn't bother the SJWs, because they don't intend to produce any significant code. Forking is just the only way the system gives them to thumb their noses at the other devs. "Fine, then I'm taking my copy of your ball and going home." If half of the original devs switched forks, the SJWs would gladly move on to the next victim and let both forks die or get bogged down in endless bickering.

Their goal is always to destroy, never to make anything better -- not even "better" according to their own stated definitions.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 19, 2015 6:42 PM  

If she forks and contributes more power to her. My guess is she won't.

I spent 15 minutes looking through her account, searching in vain for code contributions. She won't.

Blogger Danby June 19, 2015 7:50 PM  

She forked the code. Ho hum. Is she going to use code submitted by eilas? If so, what's the point? If not, how will she merge the codebases?

It's simple spite, and won't do a damned thing.

Anonymous The other robot June 19, 2015 10:24 PM  

If it's a GPL licensed project it would be a violation for the forkers to not publicly release *under the same license* any changes that are distributed to end users.

If have code in several GPLv2 and v3 projects out there and I do not believe you are correct.

If you take GPL code, modify it and ship it to customers your obligation is to offer to provide them with the source code. You can charge a nominal amount for it. You are not obliged to release it to the rest of the world.

However, you have no control over what your customers can do with the code. They could print it on TP, wipe their asses and flush it down the toilet, if they wish.

(Note, I didn't say "As an open source software developer I find your claim troublesome and hurtful.")

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 19, 2015 10:26 PM  

Not only can they never leave people alone but they dont want us or anyone to have anything.

MPAI

Anonymous The other robot June 19, 2015 10:28 PM  

Note, you do have to preserve the license, although the wording of the license does allow you to redistribute it under a later version of the GPL:

This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.

Anonymous The other robot June 19, 2015 11:13 PM  

I spent 15 minutes looking through her account, searching in vain for code contributions. She won't.

Correct. In my experience people who are worthy contributors to open source projects contribute as their means of entry into the community. They ask technical questions and help out others with questions and do not whine about acceptance of non-existent contributions.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 20, 2015 12:20 AM  

If she forks and contributes more power to her.

See the misogynistic obstacles put in her way? She has to "fork" the code (and maybe someone will tell her she needs a dongle to do it). A project that uses trigger words like that is NOT inclusive.

So brave of her to fork it anyway.

Anonymous Steve June 20, 2015 7:27 PM  

Nate, Lulabelle, AlteredFate - thank you kindly :)

I don't think there's enough Elvis in speculative fiction.

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