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Tuesday, June 23, 2015

The Duel

Bateful Higot explains moderates:
Moderate: Okay, gentlemen... take 5 paces, then turn and shoot. SJW has won the coin toss and will shoot first. Understood?
Conservative: Yes.
SJW: Whatever.
Moderate: One...
SJW: turns and points pistol, hand trembling in terror
Moderate: looks at SJW scornfully Two...
SJW: CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE! shoots in Conservative's general direction... misses horribly
Conservative: What the deuce? turns around You bastard!
SJW: How dare you turn around! You're not a gentleman!
Moderate: Conservative! You must take three more paces before you may turn around!
Conservative: That coward shot at me after two!
Moderate: Do not lower yourself to his level! Death before dishonor!
Conservative: That doesn't mean what you think it does! aims at SJW
SJW: EEK! cowers
Moderate: How dare you! draws pistol on Conservative If you do not turn around this instant, I shall shoot you myself, you dishonorable cur!
How can you identify a moderate? He is the man who only shoots at his own side, never the enemy. This isn't to say that moderates can't learn. I have known a few who have done so, gradually and over time, mostly by virtue of having their "friends" on the other side repay their steadfast good will with repeated betrayals and regular stabs in the back.

Moderates merit civility, but no respect. And above all, do NOT permit them any input into strategy and tactics. They are worse than useless in that regard.

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199 Comments:

Anonymous Soga June 23, 2015 2:39 PM  

VD, left a "Mediator" in there.

Blogger Alexander June 23, 2015 2:42 PM  

This excellent analogy also point out another fact to take note of:

The majority of shots on target by SJWs are self-inflicted.

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 2:42 PM  

VFM: That doesn't mean what you think it does! aims at SJW
SJW: EEK! cowers
Moderate: How dare you! draws pistol on Conservative If you do not turn around this instant, I shall shoot you myself, you dishonorable cur!


VFM: (shoots moderate in knee, shoots SJW in face)

Moderate: Why? Why did you shoot me? The other guy was your opponent.

VFM: It is unwise to stand in the line of fire. If you cannot bring yourself to engage the enemy, you may not always be distinguished from him.

Blogger Alexander June 23, 2015 2:44 PM  

I used to be a moderate, but then I took a bullet to the knee...

Blogger Bateful Higot June 23, 2015 2:49 PM  

The moral: Moderates would rather see a Conservative shot in the back than see him return fire.

Anonymous Bz June 23, 2015 2:52 PM  

Furthermore, the duel is over (explained the Moderate) because now that a shot has been fired, honor is satisfied. So stand down and let the poor SJW recover; can't you see xir is suffering? For shame, sir.

Anonymous Soga June 23, 2015 2:53 PM  

What's worse is: progressive moderates will make excuses for their own side and the conservative moderates will demand their own side bend over and take the prog boot up their ass.

Both types of moderates hate conservatives and love progressives.

Blogger Salt June 23, 2015 2:54 PM  

SJW, sounds like a type of round.

"What do you load for self-defense?"
"Why, I load .45 SJW+P, just to be sure."

Anonymous Soga June 23, 2015 2:58 PM  

So that crap Trimnell was spewing about symbiosis of the far left and far right? PURE PROJECTION. HE depends on the far Left and the far Right. After all, his policy is appeasement unto the Left. He needs the Right to trash so he can look good for his Leftist betters.

Blogger Dexter June 23, 2015 3:02 PM  

Furthermore, the duel is over (explained the Moderate) because now that a shot has been fired, honor is satisfied.

Yes, after the SJW fired, she issued an apology that should have resolved the matter. Now I am concerned about her physical safety! Why is the Conservative Extremist escalating in a bizarre and inexplicable manner and with vitriolic rhetoric like "You bastard!"?

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2015 3:02 PM  

There's a difference between a social strategy and a gunfight. Or better, it is important to note the distinction, and recognize when a social strategy has become a gunfight.

Once that Rubicon is crossed, always obey Rule 1 and Rule 2 of a gunfight.

Anonymous Laz June 23, 2015 3:06 PM  

"...mostly by virtue of having their "friends" on the other side repay their steadfast good will with repeated betrayals and regular stabs in the back."

Been there, done that too many times to count. Real friends are very hard to find.

Anonymous Rolf June 23, 2015 3:10 PM  

So, why do the moderates demand the conservatives follow the rules, but not the SJW?

Because they know they are safe from attack from the conservative, but deep down they know they are not safe turning their back on an SJW if they ever act "not moderate," and they don't have the guts for actually fighting.

As you said, Vox, civility but not respect.

Blogger Sam Hall June 23, 2015 3:14 PM  

The Difference Between Liberals, Conservatives, and Texans

Anonymous James Parliament June 23, 2015 3:14 PM  

What Laz said. Was just about to paste the exact same line.

That's why I'm here, learning to shoot.

Blogger Bateful Higot June 23, 2015 3:16 PM  

@Sam Hall

God bless Texas.

Anonymous Roundtine June 23, 2015 3:18 PM  

If the Nazis are sitting around deciding if they should kill 12 million Jews or keep them all as slave labor, the moderate says, "How bout we kill 6 million?"

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 3:20 PM  

ASam Hall,
So the Texan can't kill the perp with 9 shots? Sounds about right.

Blogger Alexander June 23, 2015 3:21 PM  

The Difference Between Liberals, Conservatives, and Texans

Ilk response: Why did I go out with only my wife's gun?

Blogger CM June 23, 2015 3:23 PM  

Once that Rubicon is crossed, always obey Rule 1 and Rule 2 of a gunfight.

Don't bring a knife and don't miss?

Anonymous Dave June 23, 2015 3:23 PM  

What the deuce?!?

Blogger JDC June 23, 2015 3:26 PM  

I've noticed a connection between moderate - delta and their desire to be liked by the "other side" and their tendency to white knight. It is ooooooooooooooh so helpful when a moderate steps in and wines about compassion and fair play and being nice when the other side is unapologetically flinging poo like a drunken monkey.


Anonymous Snickers June 23, 2015 3:30 PM  

SJW could be soft jacketed tungsten?

A heavy penetrating round that's still easy on the barrel...

Anonymous BGS June 23, 2015 3:36 PM  

SJW, sounds like a type of round. "What do you load for self-defense?" "Why, I load .45 SJW+P, just to be sure."

More like .22 SJW +PP blanks.

Because they know they are safe from attack from the conservative, but deep down they know they are not safe turning their back on an SJW

That's why leftists love cop killers & hate cops.

Blogger tridekka June 23, 2015 3:36 PM  

I've seen the Glock hate on here and Nate's place since I've been reading, but never the reason behind it all. Educate me.

Anonymous Stickwick June 23, 2015 3:38 PM  

Moderate: Do not lower yourself to his level! Death before dishonor!

Yeah, that really seems to be it. The moderate believes there is something noble in being destroyed by someone playing dirty rather than fighting back using the same tactics.

I wonder how many moderates have been in some form of physical conflict where their lives were in danger. I would guess not very many, because it's so much easier to position yourself above it all when you have no practical experience in life-or-death conflict.

Every man I know who has been in some form of combat, either personal or in war, knows that, when it comes down to it, there are no rules in life-or-death conflict. And that's just what this culture war is -- the SJWs want to destroy our culture and wipe it from the earth. When you're fighting for survival, you fight just as nasty or even nastier than your enemy.

OpenID mattse001 June 23, 2015 3:38 PM  

Moderates are women-folk: best left to tending the fires in peacetime. War is a man's business.

Anonymous GreyS June 23, 2015 3:39 PM  

Sounds like one internet forum I used to hang out on. There were a few of us conservative/libertarian/religious types, several SJWs. and a bunch of snotty atheists. All the usual and predictable arguments would ensue leading from whatever the popular daily topic was.

There was one guy who was ostensibly one of us con/lib/rel types but who in reality was almost exclusively concerned with appearing more "fair" "even-handed" "calm" "above-the-fray". After a while it was clear he had a fetish for being labeled as the "fair and righteous one". In response to SJWs and Angry Atheists he would almost never directly criticize them, let alone slam them. But to us who were supposedly on his side, he would constantly criticize us and tell us how we need to be more like him-- how we were hurting the cause etc etc. This even though others who thought like us but who weren't able to debate would publicly thank us for standing up against the others.

Anonymous RT June 23, 2015 3:40 PM  

If a moderate only shoots at his own "side" is he a moderate? Or is he actually on the other fucking side?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 23, 2015 3:42 PM  

A comment from the Texan/liberal post-

-----------------
Ft Hood Shooter – Registered Democrat- Muslim
Columbine Shooters – Too young to vote- both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals
Virginia Tech Shooter – Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat
Colorado Theater Shooter – Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, occupy wall street participant, progressive liberal
Connecticut School Shooter- Registered Democrat, hated Christians,

The common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.
------------------

Another thing most of them have in common is they- the ones who actually existed, were on prescription psychotropics like many other prog-liberals, and possibly had controllers and accomplices- Aurora/Batman being the most obvious case. (Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon appear to be theatrical productions. Lanza may not even exist.)

Von Mises said "insider every Socialist there is a little dictator". Maybe there is a mass murderer in there as well? Or a cannibal-fantasist like Laura Resnick. That quote is one of the creepiest things I've ever read, btw. May her cats find solace and sustenance in her undiscovered corpse.



Blogger Doom June 23, 2015 3:46 PM  

I count these sorts as worse than the enemies who are plain to see. Personally, I am absolutely ruthless with these. Neither will I let them know the plan nor even let them in on things, once they have self-identified as self-destructively queer. Civil? No more or less than any other enemy. I, personally, will spare no expense riding them out of my camp and into the camp of those they deserve. You say these types learn, I have not seen that. My brother was like that, remains like that to this day, and hates me for my unwillingness to just take "my dues" and go along. Never change, wouldn't even trust him behind me if I was being robbed, literally.

Be civil if you wish. I consider them cunts and refuse to allow them any access or knowledge, certainly not friendship.

Anonymous BGS June 23, 2015 3:53 PM  

I've seen the Glock hate on here and Nate's place since I've been reading, but never the reason behind it all. Educate me.

Glocks are the Barbie dolls of hand guns that can be easily customized with lots of accessories, and will fire even if you don't clean them every time you use them. The lack of maintenance required allows women and lazy people the ability to be able to defend themselves.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 23, 2015 3:53 PM  

Its funny because its true.

Anonymous BGS June 23, 2015 3:55 PM  

The lack of maintenance required allows women and lazy people the ability to be able to defend themselves or shoot up a 2 kids and 5 adults picnic in Philly over the weekend or 11 at a block party in Detriot over the weekend. Why not the same coverage as the 9 in Charleston instead they got the coverage of the 9 whites killed by Omar Thornton.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 23, 2015 4:06 PM  

Cross posting from the previous thread re: archiving links since it's important.

Go to http://archive.is

At the top of the page is a gray button - drag that to your browser toolbar. The next time you run across something like this just hit that new button (link) on the toolbar and it will do all the work for you. Just make a note of the short archive.is url and download a copy.

Anonymous Jill June 23, 2015 4:09 PM  

Well, I can take a joke, but at least I know now I'm not a moderate, as I'm an equal opportunity shooter. Doesn't make me a better person, but certainly no moderate.

Anonymous Scintan June 23, 2015 4:15 PM  

So, why do the moderates demand the conservatives follow the rules, but not the SJW?

People are confusing moderates with appeasers, that's why.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 23, 2015 4:22 PM  

Actually all jokes aside SJW is a legitimate round designation. Its stands for semi jacketed wadcutter. The most popular kind were 158 grain +p .38 specials , sometimes called the FBI or police load .These days rounds are not as popular as they once were as since people tend to carry autos but they were effective and controllable even in snub revolvers


Now on topic, I hope people spread this article far and wide, Bateful Higot knocked that one out of the park. Our biggest problem is our squeamish "leaders" on the Right who themselves are basically soft leftists and corporate stooges.

We basically have to ignore and go around our them primary them at every occasions and push them hard right.

if they don't go, the soft right (small r) and the mendacious center need to be treated the same as the Left. We can be a little easier to with the soft right if we win but they are not friends,


Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 4:33 PM  

Take Atheism

The extremist says, "we all should be atheists, there is no god and anyone who thinks so is an idiot. The other Extremist says, "Atheists are irrational and working to destroy God, family and country.

The moderate says: The atheist doesn't believe in God.

The Moderate wins the battle of who is most rational and most likely to be a good neighbor.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 23, 2015 4:33 PM  

"I've seen the Glock hate on here and Nate's place since I've been reading, but never the reason behind it all. Educate me."

Just the usual testosterone pissing contests.......fueled by whiskey and cigars most of the time.....

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 4:46 PM  

The moderate says: The atheist doesn't believe in God.

The Moderate wins the battle of who is most rational and most likely to be a good neighbor.


No, the Moderate says "Why did you say that Atheists hate our country? That's out of bounds!"

When I'm trying to win a battle, I'd rather have Patton on my side than Montgomery, rather Grant than McClellan, and much much rather DeGaulle than Petain. And most moderates we are saddled with these days are Petain.

The moderate may be more rational, (I'd argue not) but the moderate is not going to win the battle. He's going to lose and hope to have some influence during the occupation.

Blogger Salt June 23, 2015 4:48 PM  

And that's just what this culture war is -- the SJWs want to destroy our culture and wipe it from the earth

"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad"

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 4:50 PM  

"The moderate may be more rational, (I'd argue not) but the moderate is not going to win the battle"

The moderates win the battle nearly 100% of the time. Look at American politics. "Wine the middle and win the election" isn't just a saying. It's the truth. And it has been for two centuries in the U.S.

For god sakes, look at who the GOP nominated in 2012 and 2008.

You want to move the ball to your side of the field you better figure out the way to slowly move the middle there.

Anonymous Scintan June 23, 2015 4:50 PM  

No, the Moderate says "Why did you say that Atheists hate our country? That's out of bounds!"

Again, people are confusing moderates with appeasers.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2015 4:50 PM  

I was watching one on Twitter today. On one side, a SJW who's tried to harm a man's livelihood because she doesn't like some of the people he associates with. On the other side, a guy who responds to her attack first with kindness, then by saying she'd better think twice before she forces him to fight back.

And in the middle, a guy trying to look moderate and above-it-all by reciting bromides like "It takes two to fight" and trying to shame the victim into just taking it, mainly because the SJW is a poor widdle girl.

Honest moderates do intend to be moderate, but in practice it often doesn't work out that way. On one side is a person who will respond reasonably to his criticisms -- at worst, he might get some strong rhetoric, but that's all. On the other side is the SJW who will cut him and burn his house down over the smallest criticism. So where's he likely to spend most of his efforts at moderation?

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 4:54 PM  

For god sakes, look at who the GOP nominated in 2012 and 2008.

So, the GOP nominated the moderates and that's proof that moderates always win? Do you even think before you open your lying mouth?

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 4:56 PM  

"So, the GOP nominated the moderates and that's proof that moderates always win? Do you even think before you open your lying mouth?"

Well, the GOP did have a nominating campaign and nominating convention. And the moderate won while the extremists lost. So, Yeah....I do think.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2015 4:58 PM  

Again, people are confusing moderates with appeasers.

The point is that moderates often become appeasers in practice, because one side is f-ing nuts. So the moderate figures, "I can't get anywhere with these freaks, so I guess I'll try to talk down the other side and get them to come over and meet this nutball at his position."

Many so-called moderates value conciliation and compromise more than the minor details of the compromise itself. All that matters is bringing the two sides together and declaring peace. If side A won't budge and screams in his face every time he even tries, this kind of moderate will happily drag side B all the way over to meet A if B is easier to deal with.

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 5:00 PM  

And the moderate they nominated.... lost. And the extreme leftist that the Democrats nominated... won.

So moderation is the winning strategy. If you want to lose. Or something.

That's so stupid it's difficult to wrap my head around.

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 5:01 PM  

The moderate says: The atheist doesn't believe in God.

The Moderate wins the battle of who is most rational and most likely to be a good neighbor.


So the Moderate wins because he only quotes half of what the Atheist says, and ignores the fact that the Atheist also spat on everyone who disagrees with him?

Sorry. Your Moderate is a demonstrated idiot.

In other news, with the SJWs setting their hair on fire over the Confederate Flag and demanding compliance from online retailers to stop selling it, Walmart, eBay, and Amazon appear to have folded. I don't shop at Walmart or use eBay, but I sent a message for confirmation from Amazon, asking if I should be canceling my Prime account. I can at least accept Walmart's decision, but as Amazon was primarily built upon the trade of ideas, I cannot do business with them if they decide to play censor.

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 5:02 PM  

@Cail,
so the obvious winning strategy is to be intransigent. Gotcha, will do.

Anonymous Scintan June 23, 2015 5:02 PM  

The point is that moderates often become appeasers in practice

No, the point is that the words mean different things, and that difference is significant.

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 5:07 PM  

@Scintan,
I would agree with you that most "Moderates" are in fact appeasers. Calling them that will just confuse the issue, since they and the people they influence don't see themselves that way. Attack the behavior, not the label, since the label won't be applied.

Anyhow, I've got a new aphorism out of the conversation.

"Conservatives keep voting for Marshal Petain and wondering why the Germans don't go away."

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2015 5:08 PM  

I've seen the Glock hate on here and Nate's place since I've been reading, but never the reason behind it all. Educate me.

@tridekka

The problem isn't really Glocks so much as it Glock Owners.

For instance;

You are at a forum discussing Porsche 911 steering characteristics of the new hideously malignant and vomitably repulsive drive by wire system versus the older analog hydraulics such as divine providence hath decreed as the system as being right and proper for any 911.

You are having a fun and enjoyable argument when...

911 Owner: ...which is obviously why the Singer restomod is the greatest Porsche of all time.

Volvo Owner: You could have had 20 Volvos for that kind of money.

911 Owner: Uh...Yes, I suppose I could but we're talking about Porsches here. So if you could...

Volvo: Volvos are GREAT cars!

911 Owner: I will grant that they are reliable. However...

Volvo Owner: And SAFE! Volvos are PERFECT!

911 Owner: Okay they are not perfect. No car is. And no Volvo is a Porsche 911 which is what we are talking about here so if you could...

Volvo Owner: All cars should be Volvos and all Volvos should be V60s

911 Owner: Dude I'm not buying a fucking Volvo wagon all right! My wife swears she will never get into anything named "Volvo." I couldn't agree more. They are boxy and ugly.

Volvo Owner: So your dick is too small, huh? Compensate much?


I am speaking as a man who owns a Glock but does not identify as a Glock Owner.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 5:11 PM  

"So the Moderate wins because he only quotes half of what the Atheist says, and ignores the fact that the Atheist also spat on everyone who disagrees with him?"

No, the moderate wins because he recognizes the idiocy of the extremes and see the honest middle.

There are atheists who don't bludgeon religion and their are theists who don't bludgeon the atheist. Then there are the extremes.

Blogger Quizzer W June 23, 2015 5:12 PM  

Jim, keeping your Prime account is arguably a better way to cost Amazon more money than cancelling it, as long as you are using it properly...

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 5:15 PM  

No, the moderate wins because he recognizes the idiocy of the extremes and see the honest middle.

So the Moderate thinks the Atheist is a liar and doesn't really believe the Atheist thinks everyone who disagrees is an idiot.

Yup. The Moderate is the demonstrable idiot. Thanks for clearing that up.

Anonymous Jill June 23, 2015 5:16 PM  

I just wanted to say that since I just had somebody from DHS visit my blog, that the term shooter or shooting is entirely metaphorical to words used, emails sent, articles commented on, and not actual weapons. At least on my part. Sheesh. People have been imprisoned for less.

Anonymous Steve June 23, 2015 5:17 PM  

Cail Corishev - trying to shame the victim into just taking it, mainly because the SJW is a poor widdle girl.

She's a big girl.

But seriously, anybody who white-knights for Randi "Faces of Meth" Harper deserves to be sewn into a leather sack with a knot of venomous, penis-seeking, sun-maddened tropical snakes, then thrown into a river.

It's one thing for the naive and the incel to white-knight for moderately attractive girls they hope to bang. But white-knighting for someone who looks like one of the animatronic puppets from "Ghoulies", and who has the personality of a baboon on bath salts, ought to be a capital crime.

Blogger Giraffe June 23, 2015 5:18 PM  

Also, there is an ailment called "Glock Leg". See also the youtube of the cop shooting himself in the foot.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 5:22 PM  

"So the Moderate thinks the Atheist is a liar"

No Jim.

The moderate takes the atheist and the theist at their word when they say, "I don't believe in God" or "I believe in God", but realizes the fools are the theists that always bludgeon atheists and the atheists that always bludgeon religion.

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 5:29 PM  

The moderate takes the atheist and the theist at their word when they say, "I don't believe in God" or "I believe in God",

Yet apparently doesn't take the Atheist at his word when he says those who disagree are idiots.

OK, I'm changing my statement: you are the demonstrable idiot. Notice how I never, ever referred to the Atheist's statement that he doesn't believe in God. No where. Not once. That wasn't the issue of contention. The point of contention, stated repeatedly, was where he said "anyone who thinks so is an idiot." Yet, you are mentally incapable of grasping that. So, to put it in terms your meager brain cells can understand:

You dumb.

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 5:29 PM  

No, the fool is the Moderate who thinks there is a middle ground.

Blogger CM June 23, 2015 5:29 PM  

BGS,

shoot up a 2 kids and 5 adults picnic in Philly over the weekend or 11 at a block party in Detriot over the weekend.

Now why would they care about maintenance when they'll be in prison for the rest of their lives?

Nate seemed to imply they are relatively easy to shoot accurately with, as well.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW June 23, 2015 5:30 PM  

Also, there is an ailment called "Glock Leg". See also the youtube of the cop shooting himself in the foot.

Surely that is "Glock foot?"

What about "Glock ass?"

Anonymous 360 June 23, 2015 5:30 PM  

but realizes the fools are the theists that always bludgeon atheists and the atheists that always bludgeon religion.

And yet, only one of them is right.

Blogger Feather Blade June 23, 2015 5:34 PM  

The SJW: perfectly demonstrating the position of "the moderate" in the post.

Blogger CM June 23, 2015 5:35 PM  

I considered myself a moderate at one point... but while i always wanted people to "be nice" (no name calling or personal insults, please) or insisted we start a discussion at their level, establishing premises, i don't recall ever being afraid to state outright when someone was just plain wrong or not arguing in good faith.

I sound like a moderate... and probably talk like one in polite company... but this conversation here brings me relief and comfort and challenge from beating my head against brick walls.

I will call a pig a pig and take my pearls elsewhere.

In other words, not an appeaser.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 5:36 PM  

"And yet, only one of them is right."

True.

But the moderate thinks going to war over this is idiocy. It's like fighting to the death over chocolate vs. Vanilla or over Mantle vs. Mays. The moderate says, since the consequences of letting the atheist and the theist be are so small while the consequences of going to war over an issue that can't be resolved are so great, those theists and atheists that choose to go to war are idiots and I won't side with idiots no matter how I stand on the issue of God.

Anonymous 334 June 23, 2015 5:37 PM  

The Moderate wins the battle of who is most rational and most likely to be a good neighbor.

No, actually the moderate neighbour leaves you perpetually looking over your shoulder to see at what point he'll sell you out. Because inevitably, he will. National Review: Worst friggin' "neighbour" ever. Everybody they've sharked in the last five years was a better man than anyone left there.

Give me the hyper-conservative gun nut neighbour. At least you know where he stands and when it hits the fan, he'll have your back.

Blogger Russell (106) June 23, 2015 5:39 PM  

@tridekka

Glocks are over-hyped into some sort of uber-handgun of quasi-mystical powers that 9mm aficionados prefer.

9mm is not considered Dread enough to be carried by the Ilk. .40 isn't either.

.45 is the smallest caliber you can admit to carrying, lest Nate mocks you for your poor choice in rounds, firearms, drink, and women.

Also, they have the ergonomics of a brick made out of tupperware and don't have hammers. Hammers! Not even internal hammers, they have a striker, which is like shooting a .22 pistol. Which isn't far from the truth since most Glocks owners are fans of the 9mm.

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 5:39 PM  

But the moderate thinks going to war over this is idiocy.

Then the Moderate should tell the Atheist to stop. He shouldn't sit smugly on the sidelines as the Atheist craps all over the Theists and the Theists defend themselves.

But no, as you have ably demonstrated, the Moderate is an idiot.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 5:39 PM  

"No, actually the moderate neighbour leaves you perpetually looking over your shoulder to see at what point he'll sell you out. Because inevitably, he will."

You are incorrect. If you ask the moderate, he'll tell you where he stands. It just won't be right next to the extremist. And you can count on him not going for his gun the minutes he is disagreed with.

Blogger Quizzer W June 23, 2015 5:42 PM  

The SJW: "True. But the moderate thinks going to war over this is idiocy."

Sorry guys, but I have to give a point to The SJW here. That was a very smooth moving of the goalposts, and style counts.

Blogger Russell (106) June 23, 2015 5:44 PM  

And you can count on him not going for his gun the minutes he is disagreed with.

Of course not, he already gave it up as part of a 'compromise' demanded by the Left.

But those daggers? Yeah, those are easier to spot sticking out of your back.

Blogger FALPhil June 23, 2015 5:46 PM  

The SJW wrote:
Well, the GOP did have a nominating campaign and nominating convention. And the moderate won while the extremists lost. So, Yeah....I do think.


Let me see if I got this straight...

1. The GOP has a nominating committee who nominates moderates.
2. The moderate GOP candidate wins the GOP nomination.
3. The GOP "extremists" lost the nomination.
4. In the general election, the GOP moderate candidate loses to the Democrat extremist.

So here are my questions:
1. Who in hell were the GOP "extremists"? I didn't see any.
2. How does your premise prove that moderates always win, when the GOP moderate lost to an extremist?

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2015 5:50 PM  

Don't bring a knife and don't miss?

Gunfight rules:
Rule 1: Bring a gun.
Rule 2: Bring friends with guns.

Common variant of rules 1 & 2: Substitute the word "rifle" for "gun."

Hitting or missing is up to training and Murphy's Law of Combat.

Blogger Daniel Shaw June 23, 2015 5:53 PM  

I wonder if the SJW goes to atheists' blogs and tries to convince them to tone down the rhetoric.

Blogger Jourdan June 23, 2015 5:59 PM  

@danby

DeGaulle was a great man, one of the greats of the 20th Century to be sure. But you are wrong about Petain. He he'd his reasons for acting as he did, and by the standards he was forced to work with, he did all right.

Personally, I would have been Free French all the way, but I understand how other men (including, interestingly, Mitterand) chose Vichy.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 June 23, 2015 6:00 PM  

If someone else picked a fight, there's no such thing as a fair fight. You utilize whatever force is needed to eliminate the threat.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 6:02 PM  

"Who in hell were the GOP "extremists"? I didn't see any."

In the context of 2012 GOP Politics certainly Santorum, Bachmann and Cain would be seen as the extremists.

But go back and look at any GOP nominating campaign when there is no incumbent. The GOP voters almost ALWAYS nominate the more moderate candidate. whether its 2012, 2008, 2000, 1996, etc..

"How does your premise prove that moderates always win, when the GOP moderate lost to an extremist?"

Here is your problem. What you don't get is that President Obama isn't an extremist in the eyes of the Left leaning or moderate voter. But he is in the eyes of some in the right wing. Democrats and moderates see very clearly the that Obama has barely deviated from the long, slow progressional trend of social and economic policies in the U.S.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2015 6:03 PM  

Glocks are over-hyped into some sort of uber-handgun of quasi-mystical powers that 9mm aficionados prefer.

45 ACP is king. Because Moros. Or because Cooper. Or because "Street results," momentum or Taylor factor.

Or you can see for yourself.
http://www.winchesterle.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/pdf/Handgun%20Bullet%20Barrier%20Testing%20Protocol.pdf

FTR, Glocks have a nifty firing system, M&P's have a different (but nifty) system and there's a whole bunch of others out there to satisfy everyone.

http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=3563#more-3563

Blogger Russell (106) June 23, 2015 6:05 PM  

@dc.sunsets: and there's a whole bunch of others out there to satisfy everyone.

Pfft. Moderate.

Blogger Groot June 23, 2015 6:16 PM  

"If you ask the moderate, he'll tell you where he stands."

That's not my experience. Generally, they haven't thought anything through, have no particular principles, and are generally conformist. Most often, they are midwits who are easily swayed by a random breeze. Hence unreliable.

Anonymous MendoScot June 23, 2015 6:21 PM  

14. Sam Hall June 23, 2015 3:14 PM
The Difference Between Liberals, Conservatives, and Texans


Heh. The difference between Americans and Europeans.

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 6:22 PM  

Shorter SJW;
"We won, therefore we are right, therefore we will always win, therefore shut up."

My response;
The battle's not o'er, no you're just as wrong as you always were, no, you're already losing, no.

The commies won in Russia, and kept it going for 75 years. The Nazis had a really good run in the '30s as well. In the long run you will lose because lies eventually collapse. What's coming into focus these days is the arrogance, perversion,a nd intolerance of the Left. Despite your control of education and media, people are seeing through your facade of tolerance and compassion to see the raw lust for power and unhinged hatred your side possesses. The tighter your grip, the more people slip though your fingers.

Blogger Giraffe June 23, 2015 6:22 PM  

Surely that is "Glock foot?"

What about "Glock ass?"


Glock leg is what it is known as. Glock foot has not been formally named, to my knowledge, but it may be just as common or more common than Glock leg. As for Glock ass, I'd recommend you ask BGS.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2015 6:23 PM  

Pfft. Moderate.

Naw, devoted to my preference like everyone, and standing on the shoulders of better experts.

Blogger Salt June 23, 2015 6:27 PM  

am speaking as a man who owns a Glock but does not identify as a Glock Owner

I drive a Porsche 911 and don't own a Glock.

Blogger Dexter June 23, 2015 6:27 PM  

No, the moderate wins because he recognizes the idiocy of the extremes and see the honest middle.

Is there an "honest middle" between good and evil, between truth and lies? Of course not. The moderate wants you to take "just a few steps" in the direction of evil... for the sake of amity, to prevent a fuss. He wants you to take the gradual, gentle road to Hell, one step at a time, instead of plunging directly off the cliff. But you end up in the same place anyway.

"Moderate" and "appeaser" is a distinction without a difference - because the "moderates" never urge moderation on the Left, only on the Right.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 6:29 PM  

"That's not my experience. Generally, they haven't thought anything through, have no particular principles, and are generally conformist. Most often, they are midwits who are easily swayed by a random breeze. Hence unreliable."

One place where you can find a very articulated moderate position is the entire tradition of Realist foreign affairs in the U.S.

You need only glance and you'll find what you say you have no experience with.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2015 6:30 PM  

Also, there is an ailment called "Glock Leg". See also the youtube of the cop shooting himself in the foot.

And why, oh why are cops then deemed gun experts?

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/weapon-mounted-lights-and-a-dirty-little-police-secret

Most gun enthusiasts shoot more in a month than most cops shoot in several years. Citing a cop that negligently shot himself as an indictment of Glock is a little like citing a 16 year old boy who drove into a tree as an indictment of Chevrolet.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 23, 2015 6:31 PM  

80. Difster VFM #109 June 23, 2015 6:00 PM

If someone else picked a fight, there's no such thing as a fair fight. You utilize whatever force is needed to eliminate the threat.


Sun Tzu "This Difster is a unsophisticated Barbarian, with no appreciation of the finer operations of the Tao"

Von Clausewitz "Nein. A proud Prussian with a realistic appreciation of the nature of War and its Purpose!"

NSMzen0 "I did not know war could be this much fun!"

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 6:33 PM  

"Is there an "honest middle" between good and evil, between truth and lies?"

Again...Binary thinking. Questions do not always turn on Good v Evil or Truth v. Lies.

Should a new overpass be built on Highway 72 near Oaktonville? Where's the good and evil in that question?

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2015 6:34 PM  

The problem with carefully calling appeasers appeasers for the sake of accuracy is that most of the people you're talking about will say to themselves, "Whew, I'm glad they're not talking about me! I'm a moderate!" If you call them what they call themselves, there's a better chance of getting their attention.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 23, 2015 6:34 PM  

"Again, people are confusing moderates with appeasers."

Moderates are appeasers in denial.....

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 6:35 PM  

""We won, therefore we are right, therefore we will always win, therefore shut up.""

No...it' goes like this:

We won...therefore, we won an there is no evidence we are going back.

Blogger automatthew June 23, 2015 6:48 PM  

Moderates are hostages with Stockholm Syndrome.

What Would Keanu Do?

Blogger Groot June 23, 2015 6:48 PM  

"One place where you can find a very articulated moderate position is the entire tradition of Realist foreign affairs in the U.S."

Googles it. Machiavelli... Frederick the Great... von Clausewitz. Moderates? Are you even aware that you are talking out of your ass? That was a 3-second google, for crying out loud.

Anonymous Steve June 23, 2015 6:53 PM  

What Would Keanu Do?

Blogger automatthew June 23, 2015 6:53 PM  

Stickwick: Yeah, that really seems to be it. The moderate believes there is something noble in being destroyed by someone playing dirty rather than fighting back using the same tactics.

And that meme did not arise ex nihilo. It's one of the staples of the cultural programming we've been subjected to in movies and television.

It was beautifully subverted in Blade Runner when the ostensible villain saves the ostensible hero, knowing it means his own destruction.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 6:54 PM  

Hey Groot...

Since when are Machiavelli, Frederick the Great and Von Clausewitz representives of "the entire tradition of Realist foreign affairs in the U.S."????

Blogger automatthew June 23, 2015 6:55 PM  

Steve, I now need a mixup of Keanu saying "shoot the hostage" and that gif as the reaction shot.

Please provide before 9 a.m. tomorrow, or I will be forced to boycott your stories.

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 7:00 PM  

One place where you can find a very articulated moderate position is the entire tradition of Realist foreign affairs in the U.S.

Except no one's a Realist. Even Mearsheimer tosses Realism aside to explain American foreign policy (hint: there is no room for lobbying groups in a system that believes states to be unified rational actors).

Meanwhile, Morgenthau, who literally wrote the book on American realism, wanted Germany's industrial capacity annihilated and the country turned into an agrarian society so it could never threaten anyone ever again. Yeah. Very moderate.

Again, proving just who the idiot is.

Blogger Groot June 23, 2015 7:00 PM  

"The entire tradition" is what the American version would be based on, no? 20th century proponents include Kissinger and Stalin. Other references after World War II only talk about a move away from the Founding Fathers' views. The ones that fought the Revolutionary War. Dude, you've got nothing -- there are no moderates anywhere there. You're flapping your lips. We need better trolls.

Blogger Super Snake (VFM #239) June 23, 2015 7:05 PM  

Jim-- "In other news, with the SJWs setting their hair on fire over the Confederate Flag and demanding compliance from online retailers to stop selling it, Walmart, eBay, and Amazon appear to have folded."

This is slightly O.T., but I think it’s worth mentioning.

Google “Confederate Flag” under “shopping”. This is what you get:
“Your search - confederate flag - did not match any shopping results.”

Really . . . zero results?

Better get your Dixie flags while you can, boys. Amazon is getting purged even as we speak. eBay’s items are selling like crazy. Just from one seller it said 300 items sold in 1 hour. Most of the flags on eBay just say “This item is out of stock”. I escaped with a $13 flag, but some of them are going upwards of $50 to $80.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 7:13 PM  

Groot, you are way out of your element. The tradition of Realist Foreign Policy is denser than nearly any other and in fact strode across the middle while being adopted by most U.S. Statesmen from the end of WWII through the mid 1970s.

The Realists are a perfect example of the middle path that was both a distinct policy alternative as well as adopted.

Read Kennan. Or at least read about him.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 23, 2015 7:17 PM  

Yellow lines and road killl....nuff' said....

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 23, 2015 7:22 PM  

Here's the reason that you do not want a moderate on your side. "Because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold I will spit you out of my mouth."

The moderate is worse than the SJW you know he's your enemy and be treacherous. The moderate pretends to be a friend (maybe even to himself) but is really helping the enemy in the end.

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 7:29 PM  

The tradition of Realist Foreign Policy is denser than nearly any other and in fact strode across the middle while being adopted by most U.S. Statesmen from the end of WWII through the mid 1970s.

So much stupid. So much.

From the end of WWII through the mid 1970s, US foreign policy was dominated by the theory of containment, eventually backed by the military strategy of MAD. To call this "moderate" is to be divorced from all reality. Where the US did moderate, it did not do so in accordance with Realist theory. The Marshall plan was not Realist. The UN was not Realist.

[quote]Read Kennan. Or at least read about him.[/quote]

Me thinks your entire exposure to Realist thought is the later. And then probably just a blog post.

Blogger Groot June 23, 2015 7:32 PM  

I'll let you argue it out with Wikipedia. All the way from 1945 (when we gave Eastern Europe to Stalin) to Jimmy Carter, eh? Pretty exciting stuff.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 23, 2015 7:33 PM  

The moderate just wants us to carry the scorpion half way across the river.

Blogger Groot June 23, 2015 7:37 PM  

"The entire tradition" is what the American version would be based on, no? 20th century proponents include Kissinger and Stalin. Other references after World War II only talk about a move away from the Founding Fathers' views. The ones that fought the Revolutionary War. Dude, you've got nothing -- there are no moderates anywhere there. You're flapping your lips. We need better trolls.

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 8:03 PM  

I will say that there is something to talking about the Cold War in regards to the current debate. For thirty years, the US dealt with the USSR's crap, never mounting a serious challenge to the USSR itself. 1976 rolls around and all the moderates are screaming for Carter. After Carter fails miserably, the moderates are kicked out and Ronald Reagan is elected, pushes on the wall, negotiates from a position of strength, and the Bloc so many thought was invulnerable falls a decade later.

For thirty years, we have been dealing with Leftist crap. Here comes The SJW, saying we should all vote for Carter.

Some people remember history. Some people are idiots and say things like "we won an there is no evidence we are going back."

Blogger CM June 23, 2015 8:17 PM  

Should a new overpass be built on Highway 72 near Oaktonville? Where's the good and evil in that question?

If there's an answer between yes and no on this question, then you have a wasteful government, a useless "road", and a public eyesore.

Anonymous The Observer June 23, 2015 8:21 PM  

Again, the point is that the mainstream Right is the Outer Party as opposed to the Left's Inner Party. The Outer Party's point is to provide false opposition and cover for the Inner Party, and prevent the Overton Window from moving too fast so as to provoke real opposition, while absorbing and making useless any threats (see how fast the Tea Party got co-opted) by co-option or crowding out.

It they're losing, it's by design.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 8:21 PM  

"If there's an answer between yes and no on this question, then you have a wasteful government, a useless "road", and a public eyesore."

Maybe. But what you don't have is a question of good vs Evil. More importantly, it could be a difficult decision with good reasons for both sides of the question.

Anonymous The SJW June 23, 2015 8:22 PM  

"From the end of WWII through the mid 1970s, US foreign policy was dominated by the theory of containment, eventually backed by the military strategy of MAD. To call this "moderate" is to be divorced from all reality."

Jim,
Take a look at what was alternatively proposed as a foreign policy by those on the far right and left. Then you might get a sense of what is moderate. Better yet, stay in your element.

Blogger Danby June 23, 2015 8:38 PM  

Okay, Realism in international relations has 3 principles,
1) only States are legitimate actors,
2) there are no rules, or international authorities
3) states only respond to the stimuli of access to resources and power.
A Realist foreign policy, for instance, will not deal with guerrilla movements, 4th gen warfare, international authorities like the UN, except to use them to manipulate the states. It would be fair to call, i.e. Kenan, Brzeinskii or Kissinger realists. And it certainly has been the main current of actual US foreign policy since WWII. But to call it moderate? What two extremes does it try to split the difference of? Liberal "creative destruction" followed by nation building, as practiced by Bush II and now Obama. And..... nothing What's the opposite that Realism sits in the middle between the two?

Whatever Realism is, it's not in any way a moderate.position. It may look that way if you confuse political parties for political philosophies. Really the difference between the parties has mostly been which dictator they want to support, not the necessity of supporting dictators.

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 8:40 PM  

[quote]Take a look at what was alternatively proposed as a foreign policy by those on the far right and left.[/quote]

The proposals of the far right were Realist. They would check every box on the Realist list. They just had an optimistic estimation of the likelihood of national survival in case of nuclear war. Furthermore, it was Realists that thought nuclear weapons rendered armies obsolete, because no rational actor would risk war with someone with nuclear weapons.

This is the problem with Realism: it's the Drake Equation of international politics. The theory's prescriptions change depending on your assumptions about a host of variables. Yes, Kennan may complain that his idea of containment was misinterpreted, but it's only because he imagined variables A, B, and C to be 5, 20, and 30, while the people in charge thought they were 40, 72, and 1 respectively. They still all ran the same equation.

Blogger Achillea June 23, 2015 8:40 PM  

It was beautifully subverted in Blade Runner when the ostensible villain saves the ostensible hero, knowing it means his own destruction.

Actually, Roy Batty was dying anyway and he knew it. He'd spent the movie fighting against it and had lost. He saved Deckard because the only 'survival' he was going to get was living on in Deckard's memory. So he made sure Deckard would never ever forget him, then pulled him up, sat him down, and told him his story.

A better example is George Lucas trying desperately to claim that Han Solo didn't shoot first.

Blogger CM June 23, 2015 8:46 PM  

Maybe. But what you don't have is a question of good vs Evil. More importantly, it could be a difficult decision with good reasons for both sides of the question.

Your original requirement was binary answers, where good v evil was an example.

Your offering of a non-binary problem was one where if the solution landed on a spectrum, you'd make (predictable) fools of the government that ordered a compromise between yes & no on road construction.

Consider goal posts moved.

Blogger Bard June 23, 2015 9:04 PM  

moderate=lukewarm. Pick a side

Blogger Bard June 23, 2015 9:05 PM  

redemption, vomit and then destruction, or just destruction

Anonymous BGS June 23, 2015 9:08 PM  

If there's an answer between yes and no on this question, then you have a wasteful government, a useless "road",

There are no useless roads only roads going to a nowhere that have been given to Harry Reid's son for pennies on the dollar.

Blogger Bard June 23, 2015 9:10 PM  

BGS,
When you call him bathhouse barry, how much of that is based in truth?

Blogger CM June 23, 2015 9:11 PM  

Touche

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 9:17 PM  

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Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 9:18 PM  

If you guys are interested in the Amazon thing, call up their customer service, be respectful, and voice your concern not just over the fact that the Confederate Flag is banned, but also what this policy means for the future ("will Che shirts be banned in the future? USSR flags?"). I had a good talk with one of their representatives on the phone and she was nice and listened to me rant (calmly) about this and gave a response that showed she had listened to everything I said and would be relaying my concerns.

I made my appeal to Amazon's pride, as a force for free speech and getting dangerous ideas out there. I was not combative and built them up. I went the positive route and left encouraged.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2015 9:22 PM  

There's nothing wrong with being a moderate in an argument over democracy versus monarchy, Ford versus Chevy, or Kirk versus Picard (the answer is Crichton). In any battle between two valid extremes there is a valid middle ground. But there's no valid moderate position between a mugger and his victim, between the arsonist and the homeowner, between attacker and defender. There's a different word for someone who claims to be taking the middle road in those cases: accessory.

So when someone tells me he's a moderate in a struggle such as the SJW/Puppy battle, he's classifying it in the first group as a difference of opinion or a battle over preferences, not a fight between right and wrong. Frankly, I find that insulting. If we're not defending ourselves and our culture from an attack by destroyers who would love to wipe both from the face of the earth, then what are we doing, and how stupid do we have to be to think that's what we're doing? What huge fools are we, to be expending great time and energy and risk on something that's just a difference of opinion with people who aren't really so bad after all? The moderate is saying we're too stupid or stubborn or involved to see things as objectively as he does.

But that's just not true. I wasn't invested in this when I first started reading about it (originally, I was one of those people who thought, "Sheesh, another SFWA post?"), and I don't think I'm stupid. This isn't a difference of opinion or tactics; it is a fight between right and wrong. We're certainly not perfect, but there is a side of right here, and we're on it.

Anonymous BGS June 23, 2015 9:28 PM  

New form of tranny Trans-credentialed- Harvard & Stanford graduate in a community college girls body.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/undocumented-studier-who-only-wants-the-korean-american-dream-is-shamed-by-harvard-and-stanford/

BGS, When you call him bathhouse barry, how much of that is based in truth?

This is the gay Chicago reporter that made the claims about him in the bathhouse. I have never been to a Chicago bathhouse so I don't have first hand knowledge. http://hillbuzz.org/extreme-black-anger-in-chicago-at-obama-he-done-did-it-he-ruined-it-for-us-white-people-dont-feel-guilty-no-more-and-wont-do-stuff-for-us-now-64493
Now there are also 3 moms that say Bath House Barry killed their sons to hide his activities, how many moms with dead kids would out them?

Blogger Dexter June 23, 2015 9:28 PM  

"Is there an "honest middle" between good and evil, between truth and lies?"

Again...Binary thinking. Questions do not always turn on Good v Evil or Truth v. Lies.


If it is a question on which the Left has a position, then yes it does.

And the Left has a position on everything.

Blogger Bard June 23, 2015 9:31 PM  

Cail,
The Ford vs. Chevy comparison is the one I always use. The want moral absolutes to be moral preferences. I.E. Alternative lifestyle, pro choice, ect. The ideas are the buzz words. Remember the words of Jesus "I am a truth, a way, and a life". One of many; have your pick.

Blogger Bard June 23, 2015 9:33 PM  

Interesting. Thanks.

Anonymous Scintan June 23, 2015 9:44 PM  

Moderates are appeasers in denial....

Bullshit. "Moderate" is a moving point on a comparative spectrum.

Anonymous Housectarl June 23, 2015 9:46 PM  

Hey, Vox, once you wash your boot off do you think you could do a post for the Deadly Sins of Castalia Submissions?

Blogger Super Snake (VFM #239) June 23, 2015 9:53 PM  

@Jim

I contacted customer service via web chat a few hours ago. I probably should have called instead...

Transcript (After I submitted my question as to why Amazon is censoring the Confederate flag):
"
04:14 PM PDT Revathi(Amazon): Hello, my name is Revathi. I'm here to help you today.
04:15 PM PDT Revathi: May I've the item link, please?
04:15 PM PDT Me: Amazon removed it 5 minutes ago
04:16 PM PDT Me: It's not just the one item. All of the flags are gone.
04:17 PM PDT Revathi: Can you please confirm me the order number?
04:17 PM PDT Me: I didn't order anything.
04:18 PM PDT Me: I was going to order one, but they are all gone.
04:20 PM PDT Me: I would just like you to restore the item
04:20 PM PDT Revathi: May I've the item link of one of the flags, please?

04:20 PM PDT Me: THERE IS NO LINK. You people removed the flag because you think it's "offensive".
04:21 PM PDT Revathi: Give me few seconds, please.
04:22 PM PDT Me: I can wait
04:23 PM PDT Revathi: Thank you!
04:27 PM PDT Revathi: Thanks a lot for waiting.
I'll escalate this to the concern team to restore the flag.
They will check on this and restore the flag in 24 hours.
04:28 PM PDT Me: I sure hope so. Thank you for your help.
04:28 PM PDT Revathi: You're most welcome! It was my pleasure helping you!
Thanks for your patience and understanding.

Is there any thing else I can do for you today?

04:29 PM PDT Me: No, but I'll be back if it's not up.
04:29 PM PDT Revathi: Sure,.
Thanks for contacting Amazon.com! We hope to see you again soon. Take care! Bye!
04:29 PM PDT Me: bye
"


I was pretty surprised at his answer. I actually had a full blown rant all typed out and ready to go, but he responded so fast I didn't feel the need to send it. I'm quite skeptical that any of the flags will be back in 24 hours, so I'll probably be sending them my rant tomorrow. Any tips?

Blogger Jim June 23, 2015 9:55 PM  

My tip is to call. It strikes me as more personable. And specifically talk about the policy, not an item. The representative I talked to knew what I was referring to instantly. I get the feeling they are getting calls on this.

Blogger John Wright June 23, 2015 10:22 PM  

It is not a difficult psychology to figure out. They are not moderate in any sense of the word. They are appeasers, because they are cowards, and they cowards know that the wolves cannot be reasoned with and the wolfhounds, because they serve man, sometimes can. So the sheep try to get the honorable wolfhounds to desert our post and leave the sheep to die. Because they are craven.

I am one of the few man I know that takes the honor and behavior of a gentleman entirely seriously. I think it is right to salute an enemy before killing him, to hold him for ransom and return him to his kin as promised, and to kill spies and saboteurs painlessly and quickly, without torture, and to afford the Geneva conventions to any other legitimate signatory to the conventions.

So what I never understand is why the appeasers think it is right and proper to appeal to my warlike code of proper behavior to get me to preemptively surrender to the forces of swinish filth, lunacy, sexual perversion, hysteria, hatred, lies all the clamor of the monkeyhouse.

A code of honor, if taken seriously, says one should cane such rabble, and set the dogs on them. One only treats a gentleman as a gentleman. A villain, a cur, a scoundrel, one treats as one would treat a mad dog.

If the appeasers really were interested in fighting the duel properly and according to Hoyle, they would, like us, want to see the footmen drub the SJWs and fling them in the mud pits so as to clear the way for two honorable to kill each other in a civilized and polite fashion.

Likewise again, I am utterly baffled by those who call on me, in the name of Christianity, to affirm, support, uphold, and applaud the Antichrist, or bow to the Devil and his angels. I cannot tell what such appeasers are thinking, or what they think true love means.

Love of your fellow man does not mean you tolerate his sins. It means you hate his sins with the heat of the fires of hell, because the sins of a man are the enemy of the man. If you tolerate his sins, that you hate the man, and don't give a tinkers' damn whether he lives or dies.

Appeasing and applauding sins is like appeasing and applauding the ax murderer, getting him a cup of tea and holding his hat while he goes upstairs to butcher his victim.

If the appeasers wanted me to shut my mouth in the face of dumb, drooling, blind, idiotic and smugly pure evil, the LAST THING the appeaser should do is remind me of the hard facts of Christianity, and what Christ demands of us.

Blogger Marie June 23, 2015 10:25 PM  

"Glocks are the Barbie dolls of hand guns that can be easily customized with lots of accessories, and will fire even if you don't clean them every time you use them. The lack of maintenance required allows women and lazy people the ability to be able to defend themselves."

I know this was an old comment but I about died laughing.

I just got done this evening teaching a friend how to clean her 9mm Glock because the guy who taught her to shoot (and recommended she get the Glock) told her she didn't need to clean it yet because she only put a couple hundred rounds through it. She didn't think that sounded right and asked me because he kept refusing to show her how to clean it.

So if you know a woman who is walking around with a filthy Glock, ask her if someone showed her how to clean it. Women tend to trust guys about stuff like that even if it seems odd to them that the gun will "never" need to be cleaned.

I didn't tell her it was a barbie doll gun though......I did tell her, if it was pink I wouldn't touch it.

Isn't that going to scare a would be assailant? Look, at my pretty pink gun! It has sparkles! Maybe you should back off because baby pink totally makes my image as a woman who has the will to shoot you dead. Ugh.

Blogger John Wright June 23, 2015 10:39 PM  

Let me explain something:

If the question is: "Is there an "honest middle" between good and evil, between truth and lies?"

The following answer, and I quote...

"Again...Binary thinking. Questions do not always turn on Good v Evil or Truth v. Lies."

... is a lie.

It is a lie because while it seems to be on the same topic as the question, it merely declines to answer the question and instead answers another. It answer the question of whether every case is one of good versus evil.

Obviously not every question is binary. In fact, it is so obvious, that no one asked that question, you disgustingly dishonest ort of excrement.

The logical fallacy involved is called irrelevance, specifically a strawman argument.

In cases where, as here, the truth is at stake, and the extreme of truth is correct and sane and the extreme of untruth is insane and wrong, the moderate position is wrong, because it is half-truth.

Half a bottle of wine mingled with half a bottle of urine is not half as good as the untainted wine, nor even a fourth, nor any moderate increment or fraction.

Even a teaspoon or two admixture of urine suffices to render the wine impalatable, and entirely so.

So here, with your small admixture of a spoonful og untruth into the non-answer you used to try to elude the question you were asked.

Asked if there was a compromise when the questions are a binary, you uttered the half-truth that not all questions were binary choices between true and false. In so doing, you acted as a despicable and lazy-brained coward and a fool, because your half-truth make you into an utter and entire liar.

And you dared to imply that your interlocutor, not you, were making the gross error in thinking!

Thank you for playing the game. Next time learn the rules.

Anonymous The other robot June 23, 2015 10:48 PM  

OT: Transcredentialism is the next big thing.

Blogger Daniel Shaw June 23, 2015 11:05 PM  

I wonder if the SJW goes to atheists' blogs and tries to convince them to tone down the rhetoric.

Blogger automatthew June 23, 2015 11:09 PM  

Actually, Roy Batty was dying anyway and he knew it. He'd spent the movie fighting against it and had lost. He saved Deckard because the only 'survival' he was going to get was living on in Deckard's memory. So he made sure Deckard would never ever forget him, then pulled him up, sat him down, and told him his story.

Achillea, I don't think you understand the point I was after.

Your correction helps to emphasize it. We have been culturally programmed. We are Roy Batty.

Blogger automatthew June 23, 2015 11:09 PM  

Voluntary Replicant Extinction.

Blogger automatthew June 23, 2015 11:19 PM  

Should a new overpass be built on Highway 72 near Oaktonville? Where's the good and evil in that question?

The very question itself is proof of evil, enough to call for an ostracism, if not a lynching. Examine what's missing and implicit:

"be built" - DANGER WILL ROBINSON! PASSIVE VOICE DETECTED. Built ... by whom? Paid for ... by whom?

"on Highway 72 near Oaktonville" - Who currently owns the property "on" Highway 72, near Oaktonville?

"Should" - Here's the devil's mark. He asks, as if it were a moral question, "Should?" Not "does the township wish". Not "can a defined group of people decide". No, this son of Cain casts it as a Should. Beelzebub has some tar and feathers set aside for you-oo-oo.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell June 23, 2015 11:20 PM  

Moderates simply do not win. They get eaten up by people with principles, even if those principles suck. Just take a look at Pennsylvania politics.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 23, 2015 11:34 PM  

.45 is the smallest caliber you can admit to carrying

My carry weapon is chambered in .380 ACP.  Let the mockery begin.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad June 23, 2015 11:41 PM  

SJW:

You are incorrect. If you ask the moderate, he'll tell you where he stands. It just won't be right next to the extremist

Yes. He will tell you. And if someone else asks him, he will tell them something else, and stand elsewhere.

So, like, shutup, Tad.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 23, 2015 11:49 PM  

When it's time to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.

Anyway, here's the real exchange between the Athiest, Conservative and the Moderate:

ATHIEST (shouting at conservative's son): Your Skydaddy relgion is all a fake! It's all lies! Your parents are lying to you!

CONSERVATIVE: Hey, leave my son alone!

MODERATE: The athiest has a right to his beliefs, and free speech is important.

CONSERVATIVE: Fine, he can live his own life. C'mon son, let's leave him be, he'll have to answer to God in time.

ATHIEST: I shouldn't have to listen to him preach his hateful beliefs!

MODERATE: The athiest is right, you sholdn't try to impose your religion on him...

Blogger IM2L844 June 23, 2015 11:52 PM  

In other news, with the SJWs setting their hair on fire over the Confederate Flag and demanding compliance from online retailers to stop selling it, Walmart, eBay, and Amazon appear to have folded.

Yes, everybody is jumping on the Confederate Flag as a contributing factor in the Charleston, S.C. shootings, yet nobody is pointing out that the prevalence and the socially acceptable anti-Christian rhetoric may have played a role in screwing up that kid's mind. I think the latter is more likely than the former.

Anonymous zen0 June 23, 2015 11:58 PM  

> In other news, with the SJWs setting their hair on fire over the Confederate Flag

And the correct response is:

A) take down the flags
B) get more flags
C) Appeal for calm
D) Bitch and moan

Anonymous Phil Mann June 24, 2015 12:17 AM  

My carry weapon is chambered in .380 ACP. Let the mockery begin.

No mockery here.

As a way out-of-date revolver man, mine is .38 Spl. +P, usually carried in a Colt Detective Special, or, if I am being elegant, a S&W Chief's Special in a shoulder rig. (As a respectable suit-wearing member of the bar, it gives me great pleasure to attend depositions, settlement conferences, etc., so attired, with my worthy opponents none the wiser. Can't get away with that in court, however, I'm afraid.)

Resolved: The only proper materials for a gentleman's sidearm are blued steel, walnut and leather.

Now let the mockery begin.

Anonymous The SJW June 24, 2015 12:24 AM  

"Yes, everybody is jumping on the Confederate Flag as a contributing factor in the Charleston, S.C. shootings..."

No...they are jumping on the flag as symbolic of the ideology that motivated the shooter....at least this is what the serious critics of state support for the flags are jumping on.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell June 24, 2015 12:29 AM  

When I think of a 1488er, which is what Roof so clearly was, the last thing I'm thinking of is "Neo-Confederate."

Anonymous The SJW June 24, 2015 12:32 AM  

"yet nobody is pointing out that the prevalence and the socially acceptable anti-Christian rhetoric may have played a role in screwing up that kid's mind. I think the latter is more likely than the former."

No, the shooter is pretty clear that he was influenced by the "council of conservative citizens", a purely racist organization whose leader has publicly stated blacks are "the laziest, stupidest and most criminally-inclined race in the history of the world”

This same organization leader has also contributed heavily to the Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum campaigns...believing, I"m sure, that they are his ideological bedfellows.

Blogger Danby June 24, 2015 12:41 AM  

No, the shooter is pretty clear that he was influenced by the "council of conservative citizens", a purely racist organization whose leader has publicly stated blacks are "the laziest, stupidest and most criminally-inclined race in the history of the world”

It's only racist if it's not true. Please demonstrate it's untruth by nominating a stupider, lazier, and/or more criminally inclined race.

We'll wait.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion June 24, 2015 12:43 AM  

Man, I really hate it when John Wright makes typoes. I never know if they're really typoes or just new words Google hasn't heard of yet...

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion June 24, 2015 12:50 AM  

@Danby:
I'll bet twenty pesos that the answer to: "by nominating a stupider, lazier, and/or more criminally inclined race"
will be 'White'.

Blogger Danby June 24, 2015 1:01 AM  

@EFM,
nice nick
That's more or less what I was expecting. Since so far he has ignored every question he didn't have a memorized soundbite for, he's not likely to answer this one. But I did think it would be an inviting target for his mincing stupidity.

Blogger Russell (106) June 24, 2015 1:08 AM  

.380 ACP? Are you planning on throwing them at the target?

Anonymous The SJW June 24, 2015 1:26 AM  

Danby,

What exactly do you mean by race? Are native Americans a race? What about Jews? What about Eskimos? Is it a genetic thing?

I don't have an answer to your question. I only know that some people hate on others based only the color of their skin, but knowing nothing about the individuals.

However, I did have an answer to the issue concerning the shooters motives.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 24, 2015 1:33 AM  

Heh. Complains about racism. Doesn't have a definition of race.

It follows that it has no basis to complain about racism, then.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar June 24, 2015 1:36 AM  

In Truth, there are no moderates. There are only traitors and cowards. There is no middle ground between freedom and slavery. If you have to pay an extortive tax to keep your property then you don't really own it, you're renting it from the Government.
There is an age old maxim that is as true Today as it was in the days of the Roman Empire. Never let a servant be your master. These niggers and womyn don't want freedom and equality, they want to hold the whip and make you their slaves.
These people have threatened me and my family and my people with Death. I don't care if they believe in God or not, but they better bend over and kiss their ass Goodbye. I do not intend to take prisoners. If they want to play a Game of Death, that's fine with me.

Anonymous Discard June 24, 2015 1:45 AM  

Any leader who does not recognize the Blacks are the laziest, stupidest, most criminally inclined, and, I might add, most irresponsible and horniest, should not be leading a Girl Scout troop. Blindness disqualifies one for leadership.

Blogger maniacprovost June 24, 2015 1:50 AM  

What I find disturbing is that the Idiot wing of the left seems to think that because the shooter is a racist, that affiliates him with the Right in the same way that all the liberal atheist shooters are affiliated with the left.

Anonymous Discard June 24, 2015 1:52 AM  

I am a racist. I know lots of racists. But I don't know anybody who hates people based only on the color of their skin.

Blogger Jim June 24, 2015 2:02 AM  

Man, I really hate it when John Wright makes typoes. I never know if they're really typoes or just new words Google hasn't heard of yet...

The answer is "Yes."

Blogger Corvinus June 24, 2015 2:04 AM  

No, the shooter is pretty clear that he was influenced by the "council of conservative citizens", a purely racist organization whose leader has publicly stated blacks are "the laziest, stupidest and most criminally-inclined race in the history of the world”

@The SJW
If anyone has the blood of the slaughtered blacks on their hands, it's the Cultural Marxists who suppressed the facts about black-on-white crime while constantly harping on how whitey is so horrible and evil.

And Big Pharma. I'm not convinced Roof would have done his massacre if he hadn't been taking that drug.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 24, 2015 2:18 AM  

It's not even racist if it is not true.

Racism consists in applying presumptions about a man solely on the basis of his race. Not about what is statistically more likely to be true of him but what is true of him. As if his skin color determines his character.

If what you believe to be statistically more likely in not true you are merely mistaken. If what you believe to be more likely really is more likely it is still racist to treat the man as if he is a lazy criminal purely because of his race and especially in the absence of any knowledge of his character.

Blogger IM2L844 June 24, 2015 2:19 AM  

The shooter could've chosen a thousand other places to go kill blacks, but he chose a Christian church and I would bet money if you had asked those victims or now asked their families if they would self identify first as a Christians or first as a African Americans, they would have said, Christian first. It's more Bill Maher's fault than the Confederate flag's

Blogger John Wright June 24, 2015 2:19 AM  

"Man, I really hate it when John Wright makes typoes. I never know if they're really typoes or just new words Google hasn't heard of yet..."

I make a lot of typos, but 'ort' is a real word. It means a scrap of food, a morsel.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 24, 2015 2:20 AM  

And Big Pharma. I'm not convinced Roof would have done his massacre if he hadn't been taking that drug.

How many shooters like this in the last 20 years haven't been on something?

Now, I know someone will say "of course crazy people are going to be on meds" and there's truth to that, but doesn't that raise the question of - since they went on murderous rampages anyway - whether the meds are any damn good?

Blogger Derrick Bonsell June 24, 2015 3:01 AM  

Meds may be a factor but let's focus on assigning blame to the perp, not external factors.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 24, 2015 3:38 AM  

172. John Wright June 24, 2015 2:19 AM

"Man, I really hate it when John Wright makes typoes. I never know if they're really typoes or just new words Google hasn't heard of yet..."

I make a lot of typos, but 'ort' is a real word. It means a scrap of food, a morsel.
=============

Yes, yes it does, and I only learned that by rushing off to the search engine earlier, there to embiggen my vocabulary. It also can mean a scrap of any type of waste, according to wiki, and several other things. My 2 orts worth.

Blogger Groot June 24, 2015 3:39 AM  

@59. Steve

Holy cow!

Blogger Groot June 24, 2015 3:39 AM  

@59. Steve

Holy cow!

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 24, 2015 3:49 AM  

@ 59. Steve How did you get your hands on Rape Rape's latest manuscript? That's the plot for the next SOIAF book!

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 24, 2015 3:49 AM  

153. Phil Mann

My carry weapon is chambered in .380 ACP. Let the mockery begin.

No mockery here.
------------

Ladies and gentlemen: please. Let us have no enemies to the right of Mr. .22

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 24, 2015 3:53 AM  

The left always leave you free to choose:
"Move to the ghetto or die."
"Get in the cattle cart or die"
"Into the showers or die!"

Anonymous Jack Amok June 24, 2015 4:28 AM  

Regarding Amazon and the Confederate Flag...

I contacted Amazon customer support (I'm one of their oldest customers and one of the very first Prime customers, invited during the trial period) and said I thought it was a bad idea for a bookstore to start censoring products based on ideology (and pointed out you can by Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion on Amazon. Their initial reply was non-committal so I said that wasn't good enough and the second reply assured me they would not be engaged in censorship.

But more significantly, I emailed a couple of my friends who are somewhat-higher-ups at Amazon (one step below VP). Neither is particularly conservative (closer to moderates ironically enough), but both were pissed about this whole affair, not happy at the news and not entirely sure what is going on. It sounds like perhaps someone at Amazon went rogue announcing they would drop Confederate Flag merchandise without getting clearance. It certainly wouldn't be the first time an entryist SJW tried to set policy without permission.

Anyway, we'll see what they end up doing. But I would encourage anyone who does business with Amazon to let them know you don't support censorship and encourage them not to buckle under to pressure from loudmouths. Businesses are after all businesses, and if you let them get the impression that caving to the SJWs will create fewer problems than standing up to them, you can't really blame them for caving.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 24, 2015 4:37 AM  

Meds may be a factor but let's focus on assigning blame to the perp, not external factors.

Perps are only perps after they've killed a bunch of people and created a bunch of problems. Sometimes that's all you've got, but for most of these cases, there were plenty of signs ahead of time there was something wrong.

Not being willing to make the call - being chickenshits in other words - creates even more problems.

Blogger Jack Ward June 24, 2015 5:38 AM  

Reminds me of the scene in the Honor Harrington series where she takes out a nobleman in a duel. He turned and fired prematurely as well but wussed out on aim. He got no second shot. And, she beat the referee to his shot to kill the dishonored dueler.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 24, 2015 10:30 AM  

Isn't that going to scare a would be assailant? Look, at my pretty pink gun! It has sparkles! Maybe you should back off because baby pink totally makes my image as a woman who has the will to shoot you dead. Ugh.

There are credible anecdotes that drawing a pink, orange or other absurdly colored gun delivers enough confusion to the opponent's brain to buy time for landing the first shot. But drawing a black cell phone will get you drilled.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 24, 2015 10:34 AM  

Let's leave Precrime to the leftists who are obsessed with the tool (gun,) and not get diverted by the drugs (anti-depressants, opioids, etc.). Precrime is fiction; there are no reliable ways to figure out which person in a million will do something bad.

Place your bet on deterrence and rapid reaction (CCW with training) and stop worrying about it.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 24, 2015 10:46 AM  

Let's leave Precrime to the leftists

So you don't have any problem with Section 8 housing then I take it? Or with moving your family to Detroit?

Anonymous Athor Pel June 24, 2015 11:24 AM  

The more I read the words of social justice warriors and now moderates providing cover for them the more I identify with how Phineas felt when he found out one of the men of Israel had married a Midianite woman.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 24, 2015 12:03 PM  



I have a major problem with Section 8 and I avoid dangerous places like any rational person. I have no idea how you interpreted my comment in a way other than it's written.

Anonymous Sheila June 24, 2015 12:14 PM  

When I search for Amazon customer service, all that comes up is online chat or email. If someone has the phone number, please share? I'm not a huge shopper in general but more and more of what I purchase has been from Amazon for price and convenience, and I am a Prime Customer (although I know I don't utilize that to its best advantage). I fly no flags on our home but want to purchase a Confederate one merely to support Whites and free speech.

Anonymous Sheila June 24, 2015 12:23 PM  

Never mind. Just got a call back and had a courteous conversation. The rep said that while all the merchandise had been pulled at this time, it was not yet official policy and there was no determination of whether/when it might be returned. I made it clear that I try my best to put my money where my mouth is, and that should the items not be returned for sale that I would cease to shop at Amazon.

Blogger Jim June 24, 2015 12:28 PM  

Sheila: I sent them an email first, got a weird semi-responsive reply, and then had the option for them to call me when I went to give my feedback.

Blogger OldFan June 24, 2015 3:47 PM  

The illusion of an "Honest Middle" in political conflict occurs because the political position of any individual is a function with four variables - not just one.

The First Variable is 'What You Believe In'. Everybody agrees this is important, although many argue about definitions. Quite rightly, as Chairman Mao did not mean the quite same thing by 'freedom' as I do. We lack a rigorous field of study in this area (Political Science, isn't), but the principle is valid.

The often-ignored Second Variable is 'Priority of Beliefs'. Freedom vs Safety; Liberty vs Order; The Good of the Few vs the Good of the Many. Even if two people have identical beliefs, their priority can totally change their actual positions. In fact, this may be one of the primary sources of honorable disagreement on political issues.

The Third Variable is the actual source of the 'Moderate' position: 'Degree of Commitment'. This variable defines 'What You Are Capable of Doing'. The Parlor Pink and the Sunshine Patriot both TALK a good fight but quail at any uncomfortable activity. Some are willing to just talk; some will vote; some will agitate in a nice, safe demonstration; some will fight in the streets; and some will kill. All can have identical belief systems, but the level of personal commitment defines them on the tactical level.

Note that an excessive attachment to reason and debate creates Moderates as effectively as personal cowardice does. The results are the same: people whose choice of tactics effectively puts them on the other side, even though their belief system are virtually identical. Orwell pointed out that any English pacifist in 1944 was objectively 'pro-Nazi,' because their fervently-held beliefs only hindered the war effort.

The Fourth Variable is the most subtle: 'What We can Stomach Others Doing'. Consider two people with identical political positions to this point - and they just lost the election. When massive riots break out, one says "they have gone too far," while the other says "they have not gone far enough!" Their positions diverge radically at this point.
Indeed, the size of the gap between individual actions and what will be accepted if done by others is a telling point in itself. How many SJW rabbits wish Somebody Else Would Do Violence On Their Behalf - with a baseball bat, perhaps?

We should treat Moderates the same way as the Socialists do: use them as weak allies (i.e. people who only make minor contributions and do not dictate strategy, operations, or tactics) until decisive action is needed, then throw them aside and win the struggle without them.

Oh, and we should not discount the existence of people on the other side with the same levels of commitment as we have. Just because all we have seen are rabbits, do not assume they do not have a few bears hidden somewhere.

Blogger Achillea June 24, 2015 4:07 PM  

Achillea, I don't think you understand the point I was after.

Your correction helps to emphasize it. We have been culturally programmed. We are Roy Batty.


So your point is that if Batty really, really, really believed (and maybe if he clicked his heels together or got Deckard to clap his hands) he would have survived?

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 24, 2015 5:13 PM  

Thanks for the post on Amazon, Jack. You reminded me of my decade long use of Amazon and to send them my own feedback on the matter.

Thanks too to Vox. Once one has sent feedback emails to one corporation, it's all too easy to write to another one.

Blogger John Wright June 24, 2015 8:07 PM  

Vocabulary Time!

"Yes, yes it does, and I only learned that by rushing off to the search engine earlier, there to embiggen my vocabulary. It also can mean a scrap of any type of waste, according to wiki, and several other things. My 2 orts worth."

The only place I have ever seen the word 'ort' is in this poem by Clark Ashton Smith:

http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/poetry/572

...
And now
I see a silver python far beneath-
Vast as a river that a fiend hath witched
And forced to flow reverted in its course
To mountains whence it issued. Rapidly
It winds from slope to crumbling slope, and fills
Ravines and chasmal gorges, till the crags
Totter with coil on coil incumbent. Soon
It hath entwined the pinnacle I keep,
And gapes with a fanged, unfathomable maw
Wherein Great Typhon and Enceladus
Were orts of daily glut.

Blogger Groot June 25, 2015 1:10 AM  

"Ort" is a particularly common crossword word (occasionally "ord"), like "esne" and "aloe."

And Jack Amok, I agree that Amazon and book-burning do seem an odd pairing.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 25, 2015 1:34 AM  

I have a major problem with Section 8 and I avoid dangerous places like any rational person. I have no idea how you interpreted my comment in a way other than it's written.

Merely observing that you also engage in pre-crime evaluations of other people.

Anonymous Eric Ashley June 25, 2015 8:14 AM  

1. Some moderates choose the 'you are adults and are driving the car, and thus can't act like the kids in the back seat if we want to arrive in one piece'.
2. Jim is correct. The Int'l Left was fragile. The National Left is fragile.
3. We do need the moderates to win elections, as SJW says. But, in order to win them, you need Enthusiasm on the part of the Base, and a decent chance of victory. The problem with the GOP's strategy is...

Unenthused Base gets Moderate shoved down their throat by power brokers. Media attacks, and Base doesn't defend. Moderates ask Base of both sides which to vote for.
Lefty Base...my guy is great.
Right Base....my guy...bleh.
Moderate votes accordingly.

Its not simply a matter of being as pure as possible, but that you have to take the Right leaning middle where they are, and then pull them to you.

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