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Thursday, June 25, 2015

The game of thought police

It's going to be interesting to watch the various retailers and government officials who banned the Confederate flag scramble as people begin to hold them accountable for everything from Nazi regalia to the gay rainbow flag.
Online retail giant Amazon’s Monday decision to ban the sale of merchandise depicting the Confederate flag has many Americans scratching their heads, as a quick review of Amazon’s site reveals the company still sells Nazi flags.
This is insane. Now even Gone With the Wind is under attack. After all, how can Amazon possibly sell a book and movie that shamelessly glorifies the Confederacy? And what about The Dukes of Hazzard? I mean, the car is even named the General Lee!

One thing is clear. We now know what Round Two's banner is going to be. All the SJWs have succeeded in doing is heating up the cultural war while taking one of the more potent historical symbols of the past and making it relevant to tomorrow's rebels.

And this, of course, is why it is ALWAYS a huge mistake to give an SJW so much as a single inch.

"Tearing Down the Confederate Flag Is Just a Start"
- Nicolas Kristof, The New York Times

I expect it probably is a start of something. But not necessarily the start of what he thinks it is.

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Anonymous Red VFM #349 June 25, 2015 5:03 AM  

My name is Nate, and I approve this message, dammit.

Anonymous Mike M. June 25, 2015 5:06 AM  

I don't think they realize that the battle flag is no longer about heritage or hate, but resistance to cultural bullying. Time to hit back twice as hard.

Blogger JACIII June 25, 2015 5:10 AM  

Yep, SJW's are nothing if not predictable. All that misogynist, racist, homophobic, formicphobic, hatey-hate must be stamped out.

Were that there was some way to deposit these idiots into the end result of their moronic crusades. Truly, they breathe air God made for more pleasant and useful beings like debilitating pathogens, bed bugs, and body lice.

Anonymous zen0 June 25, 2015 5:12 AM  

The New York Post critic article that called for relegating GWTW to a museum is
Here

As far as I read the comments, they are 100% against, and many eloquently so. Whether that translates into action remains to be seen.

Anonymous WaterBoy June 25, 2015 5:31 AM  

Time to start deploying the image in all online manifestations -- Facebook profile, Twitter avatar, Gravatar, etc?

Flood the 'Net with it.

Blogger rumpole5 June 25, 2015 5:33 AM  

Thought picture: Old Glory flanked by their vaunted rainbow flag on one side and the Confederate Battle Flag on the other. Caption: Support Liberty and Free Speech!

Blogger Salt June 25, 2015 5:51 AM  

Warner Bros Pulls the “General Lee” Due to Confederate Flag

I also read that book covers may come under attack.

Blogger Lovekraft June 25, 2015 5:51 AM  

local radio blurb about local business using social media to reply to public concerns with the spokesman saying they should be listened to 'up to a point' which can be considered a subtle warning to sjws not to push it.

This is my take as there was nothing in it that said social media is useful for businesses but should not dictate their plans. At least for now.

Anonymous JohnnyLightwave June 25, 2015 5:54 AM  

>Warner Bros Pulls the "General Lee" Due to Confederate Flag

Gosh, but I keep reading that companies, especially Hollywood, aren't motivated by ideology, but only by money. I assume the General Lee and Gone with the Wind are loss leaders?

Blogger Rantor June 25, 2015 6:02 AM  

So some messed up guy loses his girl to an African American and so he kills 9 African Americans therefore something must be banned and since they can't ban guns, they'll ban the Confederate Flag, and feelz... In what world is this a rational reaction?

Of course in what rational world do we let a person with XY chromosomes declare himself XX? The whole post-modern era was designed to end rational thought and replace it with feelz. Must we celebrate Bruce Jenner's insanity? We must not. Nor should we call him her. There lies the path to insanity.

We need a chromosomal truther movement. Oh yeah, and the freedom to buy flags.

Anonymous Drose June 25, 2015 6:05 AM  

Does anyone know of any good alternatives to Amazon?

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 June 25, 2015 6:16 AM  

We should thank the sjw's for making it a relevant symbol of rebellion and freedom again.

Blogger Salt June 25, 2015 6:16 AM  

Does anyone know of any good alternatives to Amazon?

Adversity breeds opportunity. Might an opportunity be availing itself to such as ~Barnes and Noble?

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2015 6:16 AM  

I suppose the southern accent will need to be banned next. Either that or make it automatically eligible for disability payments, they are probably having trouble deciding which idea they like mor

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2015 6:19 AM  

Yesterday was the anniversary of Lincoln telling the band to play Dixie.

I'm sure he only did it ironically.

Anonymous Fp June 25, 2015 6:23 AM  

Sic semper SJW's.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2015 6:26 AM  

When I first heard reports of Charleston. I suspected at the time the SJWs were secretly cheering in ghoulish delight.

You don't get an opportunity like this everyday.

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 6:34 AM  

Until now, I've never seen the Confederate flag as a wise symbol for resistance as it: 1) implied adherence to strictly a Southern resistance; and 2) it gave the enemy too easy a target to paint such resistance as anti-American and anti-patriotic as it was the flag of a combat enemy and, indeed, of an enemy nation.

After this remarkable display of Leftist power, however, I believe those objections have been overtaken by events.

It also instructive to note yet again the complete inability of the putative conservative party to muster the will to even a feeble resistance, if not outright solidarity with the Left, as we've seen with the Indian governor of S.C.

If it is the position of USG, the Left and American business that European-Americans are collectively responsible for a despicable murder of africans by one White man, well...

I guess we now know the rules:

Every murder of European-Americans by blacks or latinos is the collective responsibility of all blacks and latinos, and their images and symbols--including african flags all the way to car stickers of the virgin of Guadalupe--are connected to those murders.

Anonymous TroperA June 25, 2015 6:41 AM  

So they want to ban Gone With the Wind? The movie which netted the first African American actress an Oscar? (Hattie McDaniel was the child to former slaves, you know. If anyone would have had a problem with the movie's "racism" it would have been her.) Also the movie that altered one of the scenes from the book so that instead of being attacked by a bunch of poor black men and saved by the Ku Klux Klan, Scarlet was attacked by a racially mixed group of men, was nearly raped by a white man and then rescued by a black man. Oh and did I mention the scene where Ashley Wilkes said that he would have freed all of his slaves upon his father's death even if the Civil War hadn't a-happened?

Yeah, REAL racist movie, that. Never mind that poor whites were portrayed just as badly as the poor blacks were (being called white trash and portrayed as immoral, opportunistic scum.) Never mind that Scarlet was completely horrible to everybody, regardless of race (except to her black maid, whom she loved as a mother and who was portrayed as the most level-headed member of the cast.) Oh, and the movie had a scene featuring WHITE slaves (convict labor) at one point.

But naaah. The movie is racist and full of badfeelz so it must be eliminated. Next, banning the Wizard of OZ because it portrays Green Skinned people and members of the Wicca religion as evil. If we put our minds to it, we can have every movie made before 1960 banned before the end of the month!

Blogger John S June 25, 2015 6:47 AM  

Richard Spencer just put out a podcast on the topic, if anyone is interested:

Southern Gothic

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 25, 2015 6:52 AM  

I've said for years with Obama we have elected the Jim Jones cult. But no, everyone wanted to stay with "Republican good, Democrat bad" analysis, when it really needed to be seen as yet another apocalyptic purity or death cult.

Blogger Xmas June 25, 2015 7:20 AM  

Jourdan,

You have to remember that the Confederate flag is a symbol used by the racist Democrat party. Bill Clinton and Al Gore were the "Two Bubbas" ticket the Democrats needed to win the Presidency. They had plenty of campaign swag covered in the colors of the Confederacy. Heck, even Hillary had some 2008 campaign buttons with the orange and blue theme.

So, don't expect modern Republicans to start jumping up to save a symbol used by their opponents (Democrats and big-government populist racists that jumped teams when LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act).

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber June 25, 2015 7:26 AM  

You know, most people nowadays don't seem to realize that actual human nature is extremely violent and cruel. We have been living in an unnatural state of enforced peace that most people here have agreed with.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2015 7:36 AM  

We’re seeing it all over the place in a media frenzy that began with a cause I agree with (removing Confederate Flags from state capitols) into what is now a full-blown mob waging a bullying witch hunt to completely memory-hole the flag.

Good job, conservatives.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 25, 2015 7:39 AM  

While I have never really cared to much about the battle flag (we are from Nebraska stock, and don't trust the East), this blow up is rather interesting.

At first, I didn't care if they pulled the flag from the Confederate memorial on the S.C. capital grounds. Now the attacks have vaulted into pure madness. Banning Gone With the Wind? Erasing the memory of the Clinton and Gore election buttons? Retailers banning the Dukes of Hazard? (Which is funny because the black Sheriff was one of my favorite characters).

At first I thought they were stupid, and let's be honest they may be, but part of me realizes that this is driven by the same people who run ad campaigns. They are trying to marginalize a group, or at least make them self identify.

In other words, this is target acquisition. Except it works both ways. I work with a black man who wore a Confederate Battle Flag hat into work this week proudly, and had to watch HR try to deal with it (pure gold). I have also had to deal with someone screaming about banning the flag whose son drives around in a truck with at Tottenkoph emblem on it.

This is a start. But I have a feeling that no one really realizes what could happen.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 June 25, 2015 7:43 AM  

I hope the SJW's keep in mind going forward that the flag they want to ban is a BATTLE flag. The flag of an army. They must want war. And my kids are named after Stonewall Jackson and Jefferson Davis.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2015 7:43 AM  

Since the South is so irredeemably racis, we should not stop with these mere half measures. We should kick out the South from the Union lest the rest of the states be polluted with the stain of racis.

Anonymous Stephen J. June 25, 2015 7:44 AM  

Seems to me -- being a Canadian with no emotional investment in that flag either way -- that the surest way to guarantee the resurgence of a social movement you don't like, whether that be fascism, race slavery, provincial independence, totalitarianism or religion, is to try driving it underground by criminalizing talking and learning about it.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 7:46 AM  

"You have to remember that the Confederate flag is a symbol used by the racist Democrat party. Bill Clinton and Al Gore were the "Two Bubbas" ticket the Democrats needed to win the Presidency. They had plenty of campaign swag covered in the colors of the Confederacy. Heck, even Hillary had some 2008 campaign buttons with the orange and blue theme."

I suppose if you think history started in 1950 this is true...

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2015 7:51 AM  

Potential upside. Hillary may spare us any further attempts at a southern accent.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 7:52 AM  

What we are seeing now is precisely what I predicted several years ago. Its gradual worsening of the Kaboom Phase of the American Empire.

The Crazies are always the first to snap... and because they are crazy... their rants and target acquisition makes it difficult to understand the pattern. But what we are seeing here is the beginning of what could become a massive bloody war if something isn't done to stop it.

But instead of talking about that very real problem... the media is going to bitch about a flag that has nothing to do with it.... and end up making the problem even worse.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 June 25, 2015 7:55 AM  

I made a meme. Feel free to appropriate it for your own uses.

Blogger cavalier973 June 25, 2015 7:56 AM  

I'm stealing this.

Blogger cavalier973 June 25, 2015 7:58 AM  

The one I envisioned is the battle flag with "You Ain't the Boss of Me" on it.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 25, 2015 8:03 AM  

I'm with Josh, kick us out of the Union already.

C'mon America, an amicable divorce is preferable to what's coming down the pike.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 June 25, 2015 8:07 AM  

Some day the rebel flag will rise in amazon sales again

Anonymous  June 25, 2015 8:11 AM  

Here's one for ya...

CNN Goes There: Asks If Thomas Jefferson Memorials Should Be Removed Because He Owned Slaves

From Zero Hedge

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 June 25, 2015 8:11 AM  

I'm shocked that the confederate flag could be purged in a single day though. I wonder if there was a sjw network in these online businesses that pushed this agenda along.

Anonymous DT June 25, 2015 8:20 AM  

When will these companies be held accountable for selling rap music that celebrates blacks killing blacks, whites, cops, and 'bitches 'n ho's'?

Or would banning that trash be rayciss?

Anonymous Minion #0172 June 25, 2015 8:20 AM  

How can we possibly have our nation's capital named after the largest slave owner in Virginia?

May I suggest Harriet Tubman City?

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 June 25, 2015 8:22 AM  

Gosh, I've been seeking the eradication of the "Made in China" flag, and the Obama personal "sorta' flag like" logo, for quite some time.
CaptDMO

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 25, 2015 8:28 AM  

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Anonymous KC9ZNR June 25, 2015 8:39 AM  

I just looked for about twenty minutes out of curiosity, and cannot find a single vendor selling the confederate flag anywhere. It's like it never existed. That is mildly terrifying, how a product can just get pulled (and erased from searches, even) overnight because it hurt someone's feelings or something. Now I want one, or several, because they aren't available. Heh.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 June 25, 2015 8:40 AM  

So is sewing a confederate flag on your jacket going to give you more street cred with the ladies now? Liberals may just be making southern white men irresistible to the ladies of all races.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2015 8:42 AM  

just looked for about twenty minutes out of curiosity, and cannot find a single vendor selling the confederate flag anywhere.

Dixie outfitters is going to start selling flags next week.

Blogger VD June 25, 2015 8:44 AM  

I wonder if there was a sjw network in these online businesses that pushed this agenda along.

Of course there is. That's how they operate.

Anonymous cecilhenry June 25, 2015 8:49 AM  

This is simply an attack of white identity --whatever if may be.

Anti-racist is just a codeword for anti-white. The sooner people realize this is motivated by White Genocide and the envious wish to destroy a group who upsets your sense of adequacy.

This is what the SJW's did to the 'kulaks' in the USSR. Call it what it is. Genocide.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2015 8:50 AM  

This is still available but for how long?

And why does it look Islamic? Was Fort Sumter fired upon by Shriners?

Blogger Josh June 25, 2015 8:50 AM  

This is simply an attack of white identity --whatever if may be.

Stop culturally appropriating southern culture.

Anonymous Haven Dolezal June 25, 2015 8:51 AM  

Even Alibaba says they wont sell anything with the flag on it. They should fire whomever in their organisation made that call. It is a normal thing for American leftists to try and censor their political opponents and engage in political warfare but I hope traditional Americans remember that Johnny Chinaman kicked you when you were down.

Boycott Alibaba to teach foreigners to mind their own business and to scare the US retailers. Hard to get people to boycott Amazon, Alibaba not so much.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 25, 2015 8:52 AM  

SJW on the run?

First Mitt Romney called for taking the Confederate flag down. Then, another Republican and yesterday Donald Trump called for taking it down.

Come on! The Republican Party is running scared. Mitt Romney is the pulse of the Republican Party. He is its sign/symbol. What church has come out for the Confederate Flag? None.

You've got nothing. Nothing.

You all live in a Marxist hellhole. Even VD in Socialist Italy being overrun by Libyans, Nigerians and Somalies. Every college and University puts out Marxists. What are you going to do?

Here's a paper for you:

What Should White People Do

The cornerstone of the Race Traitor position is, "nothing less than the abolition of the white race will lay the foundation or a new departure" 1996, 2). The journal's main slogan is "treason o whiteness is loyalty to humanity" (10). Whites need to challenge the "normal operation" of "the institutions that reproduce race as a social category

This author records how the University of Mississippi requires all freshman to attend an "anti-racism" course.

You people are screwed.

Anonymous DT June 25, 2015 8:53 AM  

And why does it look Islamic? Was Fort Sumter fired upon by Shriners?

Ships from and sold by Danetre Gifts UK.

UK. So it was designed by a Muslim.

Blogger bw June 25, 2015 8:53 AM  

St Andrews Cross and Albert Pike (CSA General and a founder of KKK) statue in D.C.
The contradictions are delicious, when served with a little Scottish Rite.
Secret Societies and Klan for me, but not for thee.
Where's Jesse, Al, Obongo-point-five-oh and the JewYorkTimes when you need them?

Anonymous DT June 25, 2015 8:56 AM  

Mitt Romney is the pulse of the Republican Party. He is its sign/symbol.

So then the sign/symbol for the Republican Party is a flat line. It all makes sense now.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 25, 2015 8:57 AM  

"I just looked for about twenty minutes out of curiosity, and cannot find a single vendor selling the confederate flag anywhere."

I found 3 places with a single Google search.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2015 9:00 AM  

I also read that book covers may come under attack.

Not yet, but who knows. While there are still some books for sale with the flag on its cover, they zapped the book Embattled Banner: A Reasonable Defense of the Confederate Battle Flag by one Don Hinkle; I found this mentioned in a discussion on an Amazon Seller forum, it's currently indexed by Google, but the link is now a 404. That goes quite a bit further in Amazon taking an ideological position, and I suspect they haven't thought through the implications of taking a side in the cultural wars.

An interesting meme developing is that the Federal government ordered this action, there are purported audio and screen captures out there of Amazon representatives saying that.

Blogger njartist June 25, 2015 9:01 AM  

An excellent commentary on the assault on the flag.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2015 9:02 AM  

This author records how the University of Mississippi requires all freshman to attend an "anti-racism" course.

You people are screwed.


Do you have more information about this? Because I can't find anything to verify it. I think your author is incorrect.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 25, 2015 9:04 AM  

"And why does it look Islamic? Was Fort Sumter fired upon by Shriners?"

The Crescent in South Carolina dates back to protests over the Stamp Act.

Blogger borderwalker June 25, 2015 9:04 AM  

"I just looked for about twenty minutes out of curiosity, and cannot find a single vendor selling the confederate flag anywhere."

As a collector of flags, I'd like to direct the Ilk to my favorite low-cost, high-volume flag merchant, Seven Brothers Mercantile.

As of 0900 EDT today, they're still selling a profusion of Confederate and other rebel flags: http://www.sevenbros.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=confederate&osCsid=if6hoi1klfdo63bgv4tdepbpi1&x=0&y=0
http://www.sevenbros.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=confederate&osCsid=if6hoi1klfdo63bgv4tdepbpi1&x=0&y=0

I particularly like their "10 flags for $49.99" deal.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) June 25, 2015 9:09 AM  

Atlanta Cutlery sells Confederate flags, or was doing so yesterday. I bought four, even though I had a few already. Gadsen and Culpepper normally sells them and has not indicated that they won't, but they're out of stock.

Blogger borderwalker June 25, 2015 9:09 AM  

"I just looked for about twenty minutes out of curiosity, and cannot find a single vendor selling the confederate flag anywhere."

As a collector of flags, I'd like to direct the Ilk to my favorite low-cost, high-volume flag merchant, Seven Brothers Mercantile.

As of 0900 EDT today, they're still selling a profusion of Confederate and other rebel flags: http://www.sevenbros.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=confederate&osCsid=if6hoi1klfdo63bgv4tdepbpi1&x=0&y=0
http://www.sevenbros.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=confederate&osCsid=if6hoi1klfdo63bgv4tdepbpi1&x=0&y=0

I particularly like their "10 flags for $49.99" deal.

Anonymous redsash June 25, 2015 9:11 AM  

Last year in a brief three second piece of film shown on the national evening news, I beheld a Russian/rebel armored personnel carrier in the Ukrainian city of Kharkov carrying the Confederate battle flag. It brought tears to my eyes.

Perhaps the passage of too much time, or the immigration of too many Yankees and muslims have led to the misconception that the South is a region of the U.S. and not a defeated nation.

Only two percent of Whites owned slaves. The Civil War was not about slavery. It was about an invasion and Christian men defending their families and their homes.

One lesson learned this week was that the Republicans are just as pc as the Democrats, and even quicker to sell out to the NWO global banking elite via TPP and all the wet dreams of the sundry chambers of commerce.

Be on notice that no Russians have ever insulted my heritage the way that American MSM and politicians have done this week, and that when it does hit the fan I'll know and so will others which way to aim.

Anonymous X June 25, 2015 9:11 AM  

Here is my theory. I would love your thoughts.

The Global Elite want a Race War, and doing everything to create one... using the same tools they created to mass-manipulate "Gay Marriage" and "Caitlin Jenner" into existence.

My questions for you, the Ilk are:

1) Do you agree with above? Why/Why not?

2) What do you suppose is true goal of the Elite... why would the Elite want a race war... what is to be gained by them?

Thank you.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 9:15 AM  

Guys... google Dixie Outfitters. They sell confederate everything... and USA Today just did an article on them... because their owner said he was glad ignorant people like amazon were getting out of his business.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 25, 2015 9:16 AM  


If the main problem with Katz's White Awareness s a lack of social and historical context or class analysis, Race Traitor rovides class analysis without sufficient attention to cultural processes of identity formation. The final white antiracist example I will discuss is more consciously situated in a particular context and aimed at transforming white self-understanding. The conclusions of Ruth Frankenburg's thnographic tudy of white women suggest that whiteness is an invisible racial identity to whites (Frankenberg 1993). Katz similarly argues that the first task of antiracism s for whites to come to understand hat they are white. But where I grew up, whiteness was a substantive racial identity whose political privileges were well known and mostly considered justified. The cultural substance of whiteness consisted in such elements as putting peanuts in your R.C. Cola and souping up your car engine. There was a recognizably white way to dance, get drunk, and sing in church. Ethnic differences among whites were subordinated o the all-impor- tant racial identification that secured one's place in a segregated society. Because Southern whiteness has had a high degree of racial self-consciousness, then, it should be an instructive location at which to observe attempts at antiracist ransformation. About ten years ago, the University of Mississippi decided to go proactive against racism, as well as sexism, by instituting a mandatory course for all freshmen. Michael L. Harrington, chair of the Philosophy Department, was asked to design a suitable course. Harrington called the course University Studies 101, taught it himself for a number of years, and developed a textbook that continues to be used. Harrington s a white Southerner who both knows the mindset of white Mississippians very well and has fought racism in the South and at the University of Mississippi since the 1960s. Being asked to design this course was just the sort of chance he had been waiting for.

From What Should White People Do

You'all need to read that. You got to understand what you are up against. Sun Tzu said, "Know your enemy". Well, that paper explains it.

You're Screwed. What his Philosophy 101 course is Marxist indoctrination. It is going on at every college and university. America is Marxist. You live in a Marxist hellhole. With Mitt Romney, the Bushes, Hannity as all cheerleaders.

Anonymous p-dawg June 25, 2015 9:17 AM  

I guess it's time to put the ol' Confederate Battle Flag Zippo into the daily rotation. It's too bad I don't have the CBF license plate holder on my truck anymore.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2015 9:17 AM  

Mad Mike just posted on this.

You must read this..

He came up with several designs for Confederate flags that should be completely acceptable to Amazon.

Do not have a mouth full of coffee when you read this.

Blogger Salt June 25, 2015 9:17 AM  

Flagstuff dot com showed them yesterday when I made my order. Haven't been notified of it shipping yet. Went and looked today, and Confederate is not showing.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2015 9:18 AM  

1) Do you agree with above? Why/Why not?

No. Because they're not that stupid.

2) What do you suppose is true goal of the Elite... why would the Elite want a race war... what is to be gained by them?

The goal of the elite is to remain elite. They don't want a race war because that would end very badly for the elite. Look at the bds movement.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 9:18 AM  

"1) Do you agree with above? Why/Why not?"

No. Because the elite like being the elite. What the Elite want to maintain is the status quo. Because the status quo... is them fat happy and on top.

2) nothing. its a stupid idea and a stupid strategy. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Chaos is not a tool the elite use to gain power. They already have power. Chaos is their enemy.

In short... The whole proposition is ignorant. That is not how the elite operate. its not how the world works.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2015 9:19 AM  

From What Should White People Do

You'all need to read that. You got to understand what you are up against. Sun Tzu said, "Know your enemy". Well, that paper explains it.


I went and read that. That article is almost twenty years old. It's not even a course at a ole miss anymore.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 25, 2015 9:23 AM  

C'mon America, an amicable divorce is preferable to what's coming down the pike.

What is coming down the pike, Zhukov?

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But what we are seeing here is the beginning of what could become a massive bloody war if something isn't done to stop it.

What would you suggest doing to stop it, Nate?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey June 25, 2015 9:25 AM  

Civil War II.

Let's get the party started already.

Blogger David-093 June 25, 2015 9:26 AM  

"it gave the enemy too easy a target to paint such resistance as anti-American and anti-patriotic as it was the flag of a combat enemy and, indeed, of an enemy nation."

The South wasn't the enemy of America, the South was America. Its the perfect flag now for True America as its become a symbol that the Left hates, which is all the more reason to use it,

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey June 25, 2015 9:27 AM  

Civil War II.

Let's get the party started already.

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 9:29 AM  

@ Cataline

Re: South Carolina's Flag

That is a very popular misconception, Cataline. The symbol on the flag is not a crescent moon but a gorget, of a type common among Revolutionary Era S.C. militia members, which eventually became their symbol.

The tree is, of course, the palmetto, which is very common to the region and can be seen everywhere in the state.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 9:31 AM  

"What would you suggest doing to stop it, Nate?"

Nothing short of a national revival will stop it. I mean a true come-to-Jesus revival around the whole nation. Think John Wesley in England.

Outside of that... and well... lets face it... no one thinks that is gonna happen... nothing will stop it.

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 9:35 AM  

The whole shock over Romney's support for erasing the Confederate flag continues to amaze me. For Gosh's sakes he was the Governor of Massachusetts.

Massachusetts.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 25, 2015 9:39 AM  

This is going to become a huge SJW win: A backlash is growing against thought-control; the confederate battle flag will be used to symbolize resistance to cultural Marxism and other PC insanity (there are several examples on this thread already).

The result? Resisting cultural Marxism by using the confederate flag in any way will cause such resistance to be conflated with anti-black racism, bigotry, and slavery.

From an SJW standpoint, it's perfect.

Solutions, anyone? (You too, Wheeler, if you'll stop bitching for a moment and concentrate.) I have one, but I"m keeping it to myself for the nonce.

Blogger rumpole5 June 25, 2015 9:39 AM  

Haven't you ever heard of Google? -- http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/confederate-flag-section

Anonymous p-dawg June 25, 2015 9:40 AM  

The Republicans never met a Decmocrat initiative they didn't love. It's just a matter of how publicly they cave and how quickly. As they have shown repeatedly, recently.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 9:42 AM  

"The result? Resisting cultural Marxism by using the confederate flag in any way will cause such resistance to be conflated with anti-black racism, bigotry, and slavery"

You don't understand these people. You're thinking it matters. it doesn't.

We don't need new response to their stupid games. We have a perfect one already. One they are powerless against.

Repeat after me:

We don't care.

Blogger Student in Blue June 25, 2015 9:45 AM  

1) Do you agree with above? Why/Why not?
No, because what they desire is the status quo... which to us looks like a road straight towards a race war.

Really though, a lot of tensions between different groups of people are only popping up because the economy is taking a turn for the worse. The elite, drunk on the theory of Keynesiasm, are sticking to that economic strategy because they don't understand it and are just going on faith at this point.

They're doing the same old stuff and not understanding why, when they add the straw this time, the camel's back is breaking.

2) What do you suppose is true goal of the Elite... why would the Elite want a race war... what is to be gained by them?

To remain materially, physically "happy". They believe their wealth/power is how to become happy, so they desire to cling to it as long as they can.

The status quo, in other words.

A race war would not benefit the majority of the elite. Scandals, yes. Full out war? Only young upstarts seeking to uproot those in power would seek it.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 9:48 AM  

@Laguna Beach Fogey

Civil War II.

Let's get the party started already.

Nonsense. The side that resorts to violence first will lose.

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 9:50 AM  

Nonsense. The side that resorts to violence first will lose.

Nope. /Hansolo

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 25, 2015 9:52 AM  

Solutions?

There ain't none.

Cultural Marxism is triumphant everywhere! From the Vatican to Rush Limbaugh to Sean Hannity to the Methodist, Congregationalist Churches, to everyone. Everyone decries "racism". The Confederate Flag is just a convenient symbol that motivates and energizes the Cultural Marxist.

Solution?

Well, who invented Cultural Marxism?

If you are going to fight a war, you got to know who originated that. Don't you? And yet you all here don't have a clue on the origin of Cultural Marxism and why. So why cry about SJWism? You won't and you can't fight it because you don't know who originated it and you don't care.

In the medical field, you can't fight it a disease unless you know where it comes from and what it is. In this battle, you can't figure that out and so you lose!

Solutions?

There aren't none because you can't/won't figure out the most basic details. Oh yeh, you've got a lot of posturing, but you have zippo knowledge on the problem. You don't know its essence and most probably won't cure it. Your country is lost. It's gone. As Ann Coulter puts it: Welcome to the Third World Hell Hole of North America.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 9:52 AM  

"Nonsense. The side that resorts to violence first will lose."

The aggressor is not the first to employ violence. The aggressor is the one that makes the violence unavoidable.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 9:53 AM  

Wheeler...

Go to bed old man. If you're to much of a pussy to fight then get the hell out of the way.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 25, 2015 9:56 AM  

Somewhat on topic:

https://pando.com/2015/04/10/war-nerd-the-confederates-who-shouldve-been-hanged/

I am not even an American, but Yankees, of this kind at least, need to be flayed and rolled in salt.

You guys are no nearly genocidy/democidy enough to crush your enemies.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 9:57 AM  

"No, because what they desire is the status quo... which to us looks like a road straight towards a race war."

no. the road to the race war is being pushed by those who are not in power... but wish to be. The elite are likely working behind the scenes to avoid it.

but that isn't as fun to think about for the chemtrailers.

Blogger thimscool June 25, 2015 9:57 AM  

The elite are not stupid, and while they may desire the status quo, they are just as capable as you at recognizing the inevitability of change.

When an equilibrium cannot be maintained, they attempt to shape the change in their interest, if possible.

They want racial tension because it distracts the farm animals and keeps their anger focused on each other, instead of on the farmers. This is especially useful in times of drastic change, when things might get violent.

Amazon refusing to sell battle flags is not going to start a race war.

Blogger Salt June 25, 2015 10:00 AM  

Got an email - salient part -

Unfortunately because of the incident in South Carolina, Flagstuff is no longer able to sell Confederate flags. We have run out of stock of these flags and no manufactures in the United States are currently making these flags.

Response -

"That's too bad, you're losing a sale because of anti-American social justice warriors affecting your manufacturers. I see opportunity that I'm sure others do as well. Any bets a new US manufacturer, run and staffed by Americans who hold counter to political correctness, will be making such flags within a month? Sales should be quick brisk, don't you think?"

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 10:00 AM  

"Amazon refusing to sell battle flags is not going to start a race war."

correct.

the war that is coming actually will have little or nothing to do with race.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 10:00 AM  

@Jourdan

You got me. Some fantasy film is much more germane than is Fort Sumter or Pearl Harbor. The dough your folks spent on all those Baby Einstein products was really apparent in your comment.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 10:01 AM  

""That's too bad, you're losing a sale because of anti-American social justice warriors affecting your manufacturers. I see opportunity that I'm sure others do as well. Any bets a new US manufacturer, run and staffed by Americans who hold counter to political correctness, will be making such flags within a month? Sales should be quick brisk, don't you think?""

already happening.

Dixie Outfitters will be selling them in 2 to 3 weeks. already have the process in the works.

Anonymous Dr. J June 25, 2015 10:02 AM  

WTF - where the hell can one go to purchase necessities? Too many places to boycott. The SJW brain parasite has infected every corporate and government structure in the country.

I use Amazon for freaking everything - it's perfect for the materialistic recluse.

Dammit.

Anonymous BGS June 25, 2015 10:03 AM  

So some messed up guy loses his girl to an African American and so he kills 9 African Americans therefore something must be banned

He was ranting about blacks raping, if your story is right maybe the girl lied.

What do you suppose is true goal of the Elite... why would the Elite want a race war... what is to be gained by them?

They use their pets as cats paws. Instead of paying attention to the Elite your attention is fixed on the raping/rioting/looting nigapocalypse. Soros paid $33million to support the paid protesters of Ferguson but few can understand he is a bigger problem than what they saw on TV

Anonymous Porky June 25, 2015 10:04 AM  

Solutions, anyone?

Re-institute slavery.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 10:04 AM  

"You got me. Some fantasy film is much more germane than is Fort Sumter or Pearl Harbor. "

moron.

Do we really need to list all the aggressors that won in the end?

And as I said before.. who is at fault... the guy who creeps into a house at night... or the home owner that shoots him?

The home owner after all resorted to violence first.

And see that's the point. The aggressor is the one that makes the violence necessary. The trespasser is the aggressor. His non-violence is irrelevant.

Blogger Salt June 25, 2015 10:06 AM  

Thanks Nate. Didn't see that on their site. Needs to be front and center; Confederate Battle Flags coming soon.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey June 25, 2015 10:08 AM  

Nonsense. The side that resorts to violence first will lose.

Our adversaries have already resorted to violence, and they are winning.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 10:09 AM  

@Nate

There is violence, and then there is armed resistance. Only if the consequences of doing nothing become obviously worse than the alternative will the time be right. Picking up a rifle because some state capitol takes down a piece of cloth will not be the spark that sets things off. On the other hand, imagine something like the Federal raid on the Branch Davidians, but multiplied by a hundred... There's your spark.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 25, 2015 10:09 AM  

redsash,

That is the St Andrew's Cross. It has a long history in Russia that predates the American Civil War.

That, the Double Eagle, and the return of St. George icons says alot about Russian views, and where the West is today.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 25, 2015 10:10 AM  

Plato wrote a true man is the one that is able to "forsee the future".

A) You've lost the culture. You have no plan, no idea of how to take it back and you can't. Power first resides in the culture. In that case Antonio Gramsci, a Marxist theorist, provided the methodology for this, for Marxists. You don't have a clue. Culture drives war. You've lost the culture.

B) "too pussy to fight". Nate, you are surrounded by Cultural Marxists. They have phones and phone cameras. You can't get away with doing anything. It is not like the raiders in Kansas during the abolitionist wars in the territories. There are cameras everywhere and people who will turn you in because they are all SJWs. In the American Revolution, there was a society that could hide, and equip and feed the radicals. You don't have that today! You can't count on community. It is not about "too pussy to fight", You've lost the fight as soon as you step outside your door because your SJW neighbors and SJWs down the street will turn you in. All police departments and the US Military are politically correct.

C) Technology. They have drones. You can't run to the hills and hide out anymore. There is NO cover. There is no wilderness that a militia group can run to, to hide and recoup. Satelites with infrared, planes and drones. You can't fight technology. Right now the Obama drones are wiping out the Al Queda and IS leadership. They are trained in drone warfare and they are pretty good at it. Nate, you are going up against drones?

D) Agent provacatuers/spys. In order to engage in war/civil war, requires massing of soldiers/militia. The ATF and FBI have informants everywhere. You, Nate, may even be an ATF informant. In this day and age, there can be no trust in anybody. Every militia group has an informant guaranteed.

Nate's "Too pussy to fight" comment is just balderdash. He has no understanding of how to conduct war and the changed situation we live in today. It is impossible. It's just Nate's posturing. It is all that it is. And again, Nate has no program if he gets to the other side. So it is all posturing and false bravado because all those taken into account, Nate has already lost before he even sets foot outside his door.

Face it. There will be no civil war. We are locked down in one gigantic prison and the trends are moving inexorably toward its final destination which people like Nate will be steamrolled over.

Anonymous BGS June 25, 2015 10:13 AM  

A race war would not benefit the majority of the elite.

You are pretending the choice is between race war and ice cream. The reality is the dollar and the Euro are on the way down, when it does it will be like what Iceland did to bankers or worse unless there is another target to distract people. The options for the Elite are kicked out of nations for the 201st time, people realizing that setting up unpayable debt slavery was the plan, or a race war.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey June 25, 2015 10:13 AM  

You can't get away with doing anything.

You can get away with plenty if you're smart enough.

This prison is built upon a house of cards.

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 10:14 AM  

@ Tommy -

I am not even an American

I didn't think you could ever post anything that would make me very happy, but there it is.

You guys are no nearly genocidy/democidy enough

Why don't you take your disgusting pro-genocide views back to whatever little country you're from, then? I think somehow, some way, we'll manage.

Blogger Student in Blue June 25, 2015 10:14 AM  

no. the road to the race war is being pushed by those who are not in power... but wish to be. The elite are likely working behind the scenes to avoid it.

I didn't say the elites were pushing a race war. I'm saying the status quo that they're gunning for happens to look like pushing for a race war.

Blogger Salt June 25, 2015 10:14 AM  

Further response -

We are currently looking into doing exactly that. We are also looking for a new manufacture as well. I am sure that in the next few weeks we will be able to stock these flags again, but the current companies that make the flags are worried about looking bad in the media. =(

Flagstuff dot com. :)

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey June 25, 2015 10:15 AM  

You guys are no nearly genocidy/democidy enough

Tell me about it.

Some of them act as if we'll all be pals after this is over.

Need more bloodlust and killer instinct.

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 10:15 AM  

Bob, lighten up man, it was a joke. You know, the whole Lucas Solo-shot-first, Solo-didn't-shoot-first debate?

Anonymous Dr. J June 25, 2015 10:21 AM  

A site that began as an online bookseller becomes an SJW censor. I wrote Amazon, for all the good it will do. But I've spent 10's of thousands with them over the years. A $1500 cedar playset, books, CDs, diapers, digital movies and mp3's, We'll see if money still talks.

Anonymous Jemison Thorsby June 25, 2015 10:22 AM  

Amen.

Anonymous Porky June 25, 2015 10:24 AM  

We are locked down in one gigantic prison and the trends are moving inexorably toward its final destination which people like Nate will be steamrolled over.

Especially now that everyone knows about that swimming pool filled with gold.

Anonymous BGS June 25, 2015 10:29 AM  

Face it. There will be no civil war. We are locked down in one gigantic prison and the trends are moving inexorably toward its final destination which people like Nate will be steamrolled over.

Y'all gonna make the fagot explain the mathematics of liberty. It was only 3% that fought the British.
http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2009/10/vanderboegh-one-hundred-heads.html
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/10/second-open-letter-to-eric-holder-this.html

Anonymous KC9ZNR June 25, 2015 10:32 AM  

I was using google, and I suspect manipulation of search results. Will try other search engines. Thanks to all who've given vendor suggestions.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 10:33 AM  

@Nate

moron.

Do we really need to list all the aggressors that won in the end?

I will be more than happy to compare our respective IQ scores at a later date. For now, what is relevant is the question of how many groups who have fired the first shot in anger against the United States ended up surviving, much less wining. Historically the Federal government goads its opponents into resorting to open violence, and then the public rallies 'round the flag. Can you name an exception to this?

The concept of the revolutionary tripod is relevant here:

1. There must be a bona fide revolutionary movement in the form of a unified fighting revolutionary party.

2. There must be withdrawal of the consent of the governed, wherein a majority of the people in a country or territory no longer wish to be ruled by the existing power structure and desire change.

3. There must be the loss of the credible monopoly of armed force by the state.

Those preconditions do not exist yet, although this will likely not always be the case.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 25, 2015 10:37 AM  

As a someone who has seen "american" history from a semi-outsider point of view, it saddens me to see what is happening. I have seen it unfolding for many years now. I came to Texas in 1985. The mindset of Texans today is not what it was then. Lot's of talk but, in the end, Texas is one of the states in union that asks the FedGov "who high" as it jumps.

IIRC, opposition to taking the Saint Andrews Cross down from South Carolina's Capitol was, in part, that it was not going to stop the reconstructed from demanding more ground to be given up.

I thought that putting the Battle Flag in the monument was a good decision, while not expecting the Cultural Marxists to give up. The Battle Flag, being the flag representing the individual soldier and not any of the defeated governments; it is the proper flag to fly at the S. Carolina monument. But, dammit, I also thought that the deal would be upheld and not be undone.

This is a cultural cleansing. It is Britannia over the Irish and Scots. Anglo-saxons against Celts. Picket fences against open range.

Anonymous Jourdan June 25, 2015 10:39 AM  

@ kudzu bob

There must be withdrawal of the consent of the governed, wherein a majority of the people in a country or territory no longer wish to be ruled by the existing power structure and desire change

I don't think you should be tossing IQ challenges around when Nate has already clearly pointed out to you that this concept listed by you as a revolutionary necessity was nowhere near the state of affairs up to and during the very successful American Revolution.

Which is something that all educated Americans know. But perhaps you are not American as well.

Anonymous Uberjuju June 25, 2015 10:41 AM  

I'm not getting the whole idea that it's a real reaction to the shooting. Won't other mentally unbalanced kids out there see this as "moar opresshun!" and get pushed more toward the edge?

And from the other direction, if you think the flag represents double minus badthink, why not let people label themselves for you? You see the flag and you can go the other direction. Win-win, as fas as I can tell.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 25, 2015 10:42 AM  

"who high" make that "how high"

Blogger Dexter June 25, 2015 10:50 AM  

My British relatives told me that flying the Union Jack is frowned upon "because BNP".

(Jesus, I knew you Brits were a bunch of spineless fags.)

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 10:54 AM  

Well sugartits before you start over estimating your own IQ you best try to remember that here bullshit bait and switch tactics don't play.

You said this:

"Nonsense. The side that resorts to violence first will lose."


And then you were called on it... and you promptly changed it to this:


". For now, what is relevant is the question of how many groups who have fired the first shot in anger against the United States ended up surviving, much less wining. Historically the Federal government goads its opponents into resorting to open violence, and then the public rallies 'round the flag. Can you name an exception to this?. For now, what is relevant is the question of how many groups who have fired the first shot in anger against the United States ended up surviving, much less wining. Historically the Federal government goads its opponents into resorting to open violence, and then the public rallies 'round the flag. Can you name an exception to this?"

Bullshit bait and switch.

But yes I can name exceptions to that.

1) Iran
2) Al Queda
3) China (korean war)
4) Viet Nam. The first american casualty was a man shot on September 26th,
1945.
5) Taliban

We done yet? Or would you like to pick up your goal posts and drive off with them again? There may be some good ground somewhere if you look hard enough.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 10:55 AM  

@Jourdan

I have scrolled through this thread, and I don't see where Nate discussed the American Revolution, which, strictly speaking, was not a revolution at all, since the Founding Fathers had a stake in the existing structure of colonial society. Recall that George Washington was the richest man in the Colonies. Perhaps he would have felt differently about become a King if he had had a son to succeed him, in which case we would traded one King George for another.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 25, 2015 10:56 AM  

kudzu bob, Nate,
There is one necessary ingredient that is missing. Logistical support from a power group.

Very, very, few revolutions are successful without a group of people with money and power supporting them. In simple terms, most revolutions are top down, not bottom up. You need to focus on changing the views of those with power.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 10:57 AM  

Oh jesus is Wheeler still talking? Like he knows anything about rural america at all?

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 10:57 AM  

"There is one necessary ingredient that is missing. Logistical support from a power group. "

logistical support is not necessary in this care. You already have a massively armed population.

That's all you need.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 10:59 AM  

Also...

"The concept of the revolutionary tripod is relevant here:

1. There must be a bona fide revolutionary movement in the form of a unified fighting revolutionary party.

2. There must be withdrawal of the consent of the governed, wherein a majority of the people in a country or territory no longer wish to be ruled by the existing power structure and desire change.

3. There must be the loss of the credible monopoly of armed force by the state."

This is almost entirely out dated.

Blogger Roland Deschain June 25, 2015 11:00 AM  

If these idiots would have just left well enough alone... SJWs have never met organized resistance before, but you know what they fear? A fascistic backlash. Know what they are creating? A fascistic backlash.

Blogger ICG June 25, 2015 11:01 AM  

"I've said for years with Obama we have elected the Jim Jones cult."

Jones was SJW long before it was cool: card-carrying commie, bisexual, alleged race healer, closet atheist who used his cult to push his agenda. Of course, the MSM didn't mention this, even in the late 1970s. If he'd had any ties to conservative/libertarian causes, we'd still be hearing about it today.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 11:03 AM  

oh..and by the way... My neighbors? one of them fired 20 black guys at his contruction site by shouting "all you niggers are fired go home."

Cultural Marxist...

This is why I say Wheeler is a crazy old man to be poked for amusement and little else.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 25, 2015 11:05 AM  

What is coming down the pike?

The United States is in a period of imperial decline. Unlike the United Kingdom we have no friendly successor state to pass the torch to, that would allow us a comfortable retirement.

Further, in the last few years the rate of decline has accelerated. Conditions are increasingly ripe for the US to suffer a Soviet style break up. The complication in this is that, due to manner in which our cultures and ethnicities are spread about, such a break up is unlikely to be as bloodless as the Soviet one was. It will be more like Yugoslavia.

Blogger Feather Blade June 25, 2015 11:10 AM  

Easy solution: start telling anti-CBFlaggers that the CBF is trans-symboled, and does not identify as an emblem of skin-color base oppression.

Then tell them that they are cis-symbolist oppressors for refusing to let the CBF self-identify as the emblem of free-thinkers and anti-state-tyranny advocates everywhere.

When they say that there's no such thing as trans-symbolism, tell them to check their privilege and realize that just because it's not mainstream enough for them to be aware of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist/ cause real problems for people.

The combination of victimy buzzwords and argumentum ad hipsterum might be enough to send them into a mental feedback loop.

Blogger Danby June 25, 2015 11:10 AM  

@Haven
alibaba was purchased by yahoo a couple of years ago, and there's no more PC internet company than yahoo. I seriously doubt they would have allowed the Rebel flag even before this dust-up.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 25, 2015 11:10 AM  

#104

Back during the fall of the Soviet Union, various Eastern Europeans embraced the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of defiance.

The flag shows up in lots of photos of protests in the region.

Anonymous kfg June 25, 2015 11:16 AM  

The Battle Flag is square.

"This is simply an attack of white identity --whatever if may be."

Confuse the shit out of them and fly the Stainless Banner.

Blogger Bateful Higot June 25, 2015 11:17 AM  

In the course of two weeks, this controversy has moved my stance on that flag from "protected speech, but I'll probably never own one" to "I wonder if there are any on sale."

Blogger Bateful Higot June 25, 2015 11:21 AM  

Correction: 1 week. Even more impressive.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 25, 2015 11:24 AM  

This is worth repeating

Nate said:

no. the road to the race war is being pushed by those who are not in power... but wish to be. The elite are likely working behind the scenes to avoid it.

This is exactly correct. The reason the elite controlled MSM avoid associating certain ethnicities with crime is not because they hate whites, it is because they are terrified of us.

Anonymous kfg June 25, 2015 11:25 AM  

"I wonder if there are any on sale."

Demonstrate the absolute futility of the measure by making your own.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ (30) June 25, 2015 11:31 AM  

Many years ago in Leningrad I met a religious dissident who was a contact for delivering contraband material (Bibles). He had a Confederate battle flag in his apartment as a clever symbol of defiance against intolerant authoritarianism.
If folks want to fly a Confederate flag, what about Stars and Bars? From what a member told me, United Daughters of the Confederacy only display the battle flag on Confederate Memorial Day to adorn graves of CSA veterans, the rest of the time they use the civil flag. The UDC is a tough bunch of ladies and it does not augur well to mess with them.
The witch hunt season never ends and there's no bag limit; there's always going to be another counter-revolutionary to be purged.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 25, 2015 11:38 AM  

Sorry Nate but you are so wrong.

The status quo is them continuing to accumulate ever more wealth and power at our expense. It has been moving that way since 1789 and shows no sign of stopping.

In fact I'd argue that the status quo is an accelerating concentration of wealth and power, but that the elite will, if pressed hard, accept a slow down now and then.

For a while.

No I am not a fatalist. But my eyes are open and my mind is actively cogitating on what I see ...

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 11:40 AM  

@Nate

Explain how I pulled a bait-and-switch. I don't see it. In both passages I emphasis the folly of shooting first.

Iran: I suppose you're talking about the seizure of the Tehran embassy. If they had executed the hostages or fired artillery at the place, you'd have a point. Instead, it qualifies as a crisis, not a Fort Sumter or Lusitania or Pearl Harbor.

Al Quaida: Do you consider ISIS and AQ to be one and the same? Pretty much all the original leaders of AQ are dead, in any case. Different bunch of fighters, for the most part, and even the ideology is far more extreme.

China: Bullets were already flying in Korea when that country became involved. If Tom and Dick are already fighting when Harry enters the fray, Harry cannot be said to have struck the first blow.

Vietnam: An American officer tried to run a roadblock in a country in chaos and got killed in the attempt. Nobody seemed to think it was that big a deal at the time, which is why LBJ had to use the murky Gulf of Tonkin incident almost twenty years later as a pretext instead of the forgotten event you're talking about to get his war.

Taliban: Do you consider their refusal to hand over OBL the same thing as firing the first shot? I don't.

Anonymous kfg June 25, 2015 11:43 AM  

" . . .that the elite will, if pressed hard, accept a slow down now and then. "

Slow downs, for a while, are part of the process of accumulating wealth and power. They are, in fact, when the greatest gains are made, so long as they are allowed to manage them.

Just as muscle growth occurs in the rest periods, if managed properly, between lifting sessions.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 11:54 AM  

"Explain how I pulled a bait-and-switch. I don't see it. "

... Are you dumb? or obtuse?

1) I bet the hostages viewed it as violence. Everyone with a brain does as well.

2) original leaders being dead is irrelevant. Al Queda exists and is still fighting and winning against the US. You're wrong. deal with it.

3) Your understanding of the korean war is... special.

4) congratulations.. you disagree.. then make a point that blows up your original statement just as well. You're not very good at this.

5) Taliban: Yes... and I also consider the fact that they helped AL Queda execute 9/11 as an attack.

So... how many more examples would you like before you admit you're wrong?

How is Isreal these days? is she alive and well?

Rememeber that time she sank the fuck out of the USS Liberty?

or... wait... was that not violence? Maybe that was just a crisis too?

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 11:55 AM  

@Nate

If you think that a successful armed struggle can take place by fighters who are not unified in a cohesive group against a state that maintains a monopoly of force and whose people wish to remain under its rule, then best of luck to you.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 12:07 PM  

@Nate

.Are you dumb? or obtuse?

My question is a serious one, although your response is not. I can only conclude that you think that saying shooting first is a bad idea and then later saying once more that shooting first is a bad idea constitutes a bait-and-swtich.

As for the rest, no, I don't regard myself as being especially good at this sort of thing, which makes your failure to say anything other than YOUR SO DUM pretty funny.

Anonymous jm June 25, 2015 12:11 PM  

People here will probably sneer at the suggestion, but America has been involved in a major war, either here or abroad, roughly every 80 years or so, going back to the Glorious Revolution.

If it isn't all a massive coincidence, and the historical cycles do hold up, we should expect another round of the troubles in the 2020s.

That would be 5, 10, 15 years from now.

I don't know what to think, but I can't deny the smell of strife in the air.

Blogger skiballa June 25, 2015 12:14 PM  

Kudzu Bob, I'm certain Nate can defend his own position, but I feel I must interject. While shooting first being a bad idea may be up for debate, your original statement was that the party that shoots first always loses. Your dodging around is quite unbecoming.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 12:24 PM  

@Nate

The Liberty incident was explained away as a case of mistaken identity, which may or may not be the case. Myself, I think LBJ was guilty of treason. No doubt if Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR had been in the pay of the Confederacy, Germany, and Japan, then history would call what happened in those cases "collaborations" rather than "attacks."

PS. The Liberty did not sink. She was decommissioned eleven months later.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 25, 2015 12:33 PM  

People here will probably sneer at the suggestion, but America has been involved in a major war, either here or abroad, roughly every 80 years or so, going back to the Glorious Revo

You must be new. Welcome! Strauss and Howe aren't exactly a regular topic here, but we've certainly covered them more than once before.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 12:33 PM  

"If you think that a successful armed struggle can take place by fighters who are not unified in a cohesive group against a state that maintains a monopoly of force and whose people wish to remain under its rule, then best of luck to you."

So... you really haven't been paying attention to anything that's happened geo-politically in the last 30 years eh?

Its called Fourth Generation Warfare.

Look it up.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 12:35 PM  

" I can only conclude that you think that saying shooting first is a bad idea and then later saying once more that shooting first is a bad idea constitutes a bait-and-swtich."

Then I'll explain it to you very... very... s l o w l y

You made a broad general statement that was entirely unqualified.

You were called on it.

And you defended that statement by drilling down to one tiny subset of the original broad statement.

That's a bait and switch.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 25, 2015 12:50 PM  

"If you think that a successful armed struggle can take place by fighters who are not unified in a cohesive group against a state that maintains a monopoly of force and whose people wish to remain under its rule, then best of luck to you."

Heh. May your chains rest lightly upon you.

Blogger Jack Morrow June 25, 2015 12:57 PM  

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Anonymous KC9ZNR June 25, 2015 12:57 PM  

Demonstrate the absolute futility of the measure by making your own.

Better ban Rit, too

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 1:00 PM  

@skiballa

While shooting first being a bad idea may be up for debate, your original statement was that the party that shoots first always loses. Your dodging around is quite unbecoming.

I said no such thing. Here are my words: "The side that resorts to violence first will lose." As in, the first side that resorts to violence in a civil American conflict, since that is what Laguna Beach Fogey was talking about. To say that I was referring to all wars throughout all of recorded history or some such is a willful misreading.

That said, when the Mexicans fired at us once we invaded their country, they never denied doing it. When. the Confederacy took the bait and bombarded Fort Sumter, the South never denied doing it. When the Lusitania got torpedoed and went down very quickly because she was full of munitions that she wasn't supposed to be carrying, the Germans never denied doing it. When we cut of Japan's oil in the middle of their war in China and bombed Pearl Harbor, they never denied doing it. These are all unambiguous instances of somebody else shooting first, wouldn't you say?
On the other hand, the best Nate can do is come up with is a hostage crisis that got settled without a war being fought, not mention an account of how in 1945 this guy got shot trying to run a roadblock but the Vietnamese won a war that we fought with them years later is reaching, wouldn't you say? (By the way, Admiral Stockdale's eyewitness account of what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin differs considerably from the official story, and yes, the Vietnamese account differs as well, not that I think they are any more trustworthy than LBJ was.). And so on, right down to the question of how much the Taliban had to do with 9-11, something that they themselves deny, unlike the Mexicans, Southerners, Germans, and Japanese.

I gotta go now.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 1:04 PM  

@Nate

I address the bait-and-switch question above, since skiballa was kind enough to do what you did not. As for the notion of 4GW, just because it is valid doesn't mean that all other concepts pertaining to armed conflict are thereby rendered invalid.

Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 1:05 PM  

" it is valid doesn't mean that all other concepts pertaining to armed conflict are thereby rendered invalid."

Yes. It does. That's how it works.

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Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 1:06 PM  

"I address the bait-and-switch question above, since skiballa was kind enough to do what you did not."

No... you simply reasserted it and explained yet again that you don't understand that a subset is not the same as a set.

which is why I keep saying you're a dumb dumb.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 1:07 PM  

@Nate

And remember, my original statement was a reply to Laguna Beach Fogey's call for another American civil war. I wasn't making some grand statement about the nature of all wars everywhere at all times. I am talking about the very bad things that happen to those foolish enough to be goaded into shooting first at the USA. To say that I claim otherwise is obviously false.

Blogger Jack Morrow June 25, 2015 1:11 PM  

Fortunately, the SJWs have yet to take over Project Gutenberg, and some of the politically incorrect novels of Thomas Dixon are available for free download:

Anonymous Sheila June 25, 2015 1:13 PM  

KC9ZNR and others - per a comment at Takimag yesterday, I found this site. While the lapel pin I ordered yesterday is on back order, they appear to have quite a few other flags currently available (scroll down on their page to "Historical Products").

Blogger thimscool June 25, 2015 1:13 PM  

It's true.


Kudzu is a damn menace.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 1:16 PM  

@Nate

Something tells me that Lind et al. don't think that accepting the validity of 4GW doctrine means that everything ever written or thought about armed conflict before Boyd came along is useless, if that's what you're getting at.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 25, 2015 1:27 PM  

Nate, you're going too hard on Bob. He's got a point, and it's well-taken. What happened to Randy Weaver's family? What happened to the people at Waco? What happened to Carl Drega? What happened to David Hooks? What happened to Marvin Guy? The list is increasing every day.

Bottom line is this: The United States government is now in the hands of people who hate the history of America, it's Constitution, it's culture, and its values. Those people *want* a violent reaction. They a trying to provoke it so they can make examples of large swaths of people, not just isolated groups like in Waco (where they murdered every man, woman, and child present).

The question is not "if" they will push hard enough to provoke a violent reaction. It is "when". Because they want it to happen, the problem for the American people is when to defend themselves. Time's not right. Not yet.

Anonymous Sheila June 25, 2015 1:27 PM  

Just found (per a comment at SBPDL) another site: called cootersplace.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 1:29 PM  

@Elocutioner0226

Heh. May your chains rest lightly upon you.

In point of fact, I suspect that all the conditions of the revolutionary tripod will be met, and sooner than most people think. But to tell some 98-pound weakling that he should GO OUT RIGHT NOW THIS VERY SECOND AND KICK THAT HULKING BULLY'S ASS instead of suggesting that he put on some muscle and learn some fighting skills beforehand isn't increasing the odds of a good outcome. There is courage, and there is recklessness.

Blogger Salt June 25, 2015 1:31 PM  

Thanks, Sheila. May just have a flag by the 4th. :)

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 25, 2015 1:32 PM  

Bob's right.

Blogger skiballa June 25, 2015 1:33 PM  

Well, I guess we can pull up historical examples to support either side. And point granted KB, you said violence, not shooting specifically.

I'm not sure that you can apply your theory to our modern situation though, someone could very well use violence first, and the gov't, doing what it does so well, could put itself in an untenable position with it's response.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 25, 2015 1:35 PM  

In line with the transformation of America here, John Roberts decision today upheld Obamacare. I talked about how we got here with the removal of the Confederate Flag.

The other justice Antonin Scalia says that words have no meaning any more.

Guess who was the mentor, teacher, and got John Roberts his job?

Lawrence Tribe.

I ask you again, who is the author of Cultural Marxism? Where did this originate from?

And you want solutions to this problem? You are not going to be able to handle this problem.

Anonymous Southron June 25, 2015 1:36 PM  

I am sending the following letter to Amazon. I will be drafting a similar letter to Apple.

Amazon.com
PO Box 81226
Seattle, WA 98108-1226

"Dear Amazon.com team,

"In the past few days, Amazon.com has decided to cave to social pressure and remove all products from its website bearing an image of the Confederate Battle Flag. In doing so you have followed the lead of Walmart, which also did so in response to the abominable actions of the deranged terrorist Dylann Roof. As you know this "self-radicalized" terrorist murdered nine Christian black people in their house of worship in South Carolina. Because Roof is pictured with a Confederate flag in one photograph, a movement has arisen to remove the Battle Flag and other Southern iconography from all public places.

"By this logic, or rather illogic, every symbol that has ever been used in the name of terrorism or violence should be removed from your website. All books items related to Islam should be removed, because some Muslims have committed acts of violence claiming to act in the name of their religion. The American Flag should be removed, because soldiers fighting under it have subjugated and slaughtered America's native population and have waged unjust wars across the globe. All items relating to Tibetan Buddhism should be removed, because although the peaceful character of the current Dali Lama is well-known, in the medieval period many holding that title were warlords. I trust that I need not belabor this point.

"Your decision is an insult to the many Southerners, black and white, for whom the Battle Flag is a symbol of their ancestral heritage, of the sacrifices of men and women fighting what they believed to be the Second American War of Independence, and of their current regional identity. It is also an insult to anyone with a modicum of intelligence who can see that the actions of one sociopathic youth do not represent the beliefs of millions of law-abiding, peaceful people who fly that flag. Perhaps most importantly for you, it is a disastrous precedent. Believe me, the far left and "social justice" mob will not stop at this. You will have to continue to remove whatever items displease them in the moment. It would have been far more prudent to let this storm pass quietly and continue at what you do best, providing a diverse range of goods and services at extremely low prices.

"For my part, unless this policy is reversed, I will not be renewing my Amazon Prime membership, will not be buying any more Kindles or Kindle books, will not purchase anymore Prime Videos, and will taper off my use of Amazon until I am not using it at all. I spend thousands of dollars each year on your site, which is truly one of the best places to find items of any and all kinds. But your actions show that you do not want my business, and I am happy to oblige.

"Sincerely,
"[real name]"

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 1:41 PM  

@skiballa

And point granted KB, you said violence, not shooting specifically.

To be clear, I am talking about the use of violence no matter the type (guns, torpedoes, etc.) used first against the United States government, thereby giving DC a pretext to destroy the attacker.

Blogger skiballa June 25, 2015 1:50 PM  

My prior point stands, the US Gov't's response will likely decide the eventual outcome. See Bundy Ranch, the Oath Keepers guarding Ferguson businesses, and the more recent standoff with the BLM over mining rights in the NW.

If the person who takes the first violent action against the US is perceived to be in the right (or at least not completely wrong) by anyone paying attention, then the response will likely cost the government a bit of legitimacy.

I don't expect any future Randy Weaver or Branch Davidians type incidents to play out the same way.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 25, 2015 1:54 PM  

"But to tell some 98-pound weakling that he should GO OUT RIGHT NOW THIS VERY SECOND AND KICK THAT HULKING BULLY'S ASS instead of suggesting that he put on some muscle and learn some fighting skills beforehand isn't increasing the odds of a good outcome."

Non sequitur. Nobody here was saying we should and you weren't counseling such a thing.

And you're also assuming that the people of this country, with 300M+ guns and millions of former and current military, would be the 98lb weakling in the equation.

Blogger Huggums June 25, 2015 1:57 PM  

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove."

- from A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union

I'm from the South. My great grandparents generation, grandparents generation, and my older aunts and uncles were in civil rights movement. They participated in sit-ins and marches. They were harassed by people waving that flag. So honestly f*** the Confederate flag. I don't like it. I don't like what it symbolizes. To some, maybe it's your heritage. To me? Slavery, subjugation, senseless and often petty hatred. I don't plan on using this particular symbol.

That being said, I completely oppose the banning of this flag for the reasons stated in other comments, and I recognize that just because you have that flag on, it doesn't necessarily mean you support slavery or hate black people. If we ban this flag for these murders, we might as well just ban flags entirely because there's a bloody history behind each far and away worse than this one incident.

I have my emotional reaction to the flag and my rational one. Gonna stick with the rational lest I go full SJW.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 June 25, 2015 2:16 PM  

Skiballa,

Our three OK ops you mentioned went off without a hint of violence because we had credible armed deterrence in place that stared the Feds right in the eye. They knew that if they initiated violence it would be met and returned fourfold.

Did you know at the Bundy Ranch standoff in the beginning there was a full company sized element of fully armed USMC infantry veterans under the Oath Keepers banner ready to locate, close with and destroy?

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 2:35 PM  

@Elocutioner0226

Non sequitur. Nobody here was saying we should and you weren't counseling such a thing.

It is not a non sequitur. I was responding to your insulting use of the Samuel Adams quote. As best I can tell, you interpreted (or rather misinterpreted) my position that this is not the time to fight as being the same thing as saying that there would never be a time to fight. What else could the remark of yours that I responded to possibly mean but that?

Anonymous patrick kelly June 25, 2015 2:36 PM  

68. Cataline Sergius

Thanks for the warning....LOL I did.... so bad, so funny....

Anonymous patrick kelly June 25, 2015 2:38 PM  

"The goal of the elite is to remain elite."

Rich and powerful people conspire to become more rich and powerful......

Anonymous patrick kelly June 25, 2015 2:48 PM  

@ 105: " Nate, you are surrounded by Cultural Marxists. They have phones and phone cameras. You can't get away with doing anything. "

Truth is Nate and many others are doing lots of things the phones and cameras aren't stopping. Just because it's not on the 6'O'Clock news doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The TBTB and SJW activists are not an omniscient, omnipotent monolith. They are made out of people, like soylent green.....

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 25, 2015 3:09 PM  

Well here's how you came across to me - "don't you dare fight back - the bully will win if you strike him first!" Proceeds to argue over hitting first as if the government hasn't already been turning the thumbscrews, dismisses effective military tactics as insufficient. So, yeah, it sounded like you were standing between us and the enemy which is often the case with concern trolls.

If you're being shot in the face by your own side you're standing in the wrong place.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 25, 2015 4:21 PM  

128. Nate,

We have an armed population, but after two weeks what are they going to eat? I will (probably) be ok, as would you, but many of the city dwellers or those to far into the dry or cold are going to have issues.

The plains Indians practiced a form of what could be called 4th generation warfare, and Sheriden just killed them.

IS/Taliban/Al Q all had massive amounts of support from outside parties till recently, when they over ran enough wealth producing oil wells they could self fund. If we were really interested in stopping them, we would bomb the wells.

A guerrilla force that doesn't have logistics support or a safe haven is in a pretty sore spot. They can hold on and disrupt for a long time (Mexico) but they have issues taking and holding territory. That is why so many turn to running drugs, as it offers a steady income stream.

OpenID simplytimothy June 25, 2015 4:44 PM  

You talk about your work with the homeless, which means you're part of the clean-up crew. There are far too few of you and you're stretched way too thin with very few resources available. And, yes, I know that throwing money at the problem of homelessness isn't the solution, but I also know that the solutions to the mess often require resources that aren't available. The greatest problem is the condition of the heart.

LOL!

Who knew? Satan is a concern troll.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 25, 2015 4:47 PM  

186. RedJack,

Interesting. You think the military actually has a chance to secure and then hold sizable parts of the country that produce food within and for two weeks?

OpenID simplytimothy June 25, 2015 4:49 PM  

Whoops!

Wrong thread, sorry folks.

I will post over there.

Two points of good news.

1. A customer walked into the store from the construction site wearing a Confederate battle flag bandana on his head. Family man, middle aged, construction worker, kind of guy you see at the kid's baseball game and at church and he wanted to buy another bandana in support of "his home, faith and tradition" (his words). The man was up in arms.

2.According to sipseystreet, ~5% compliance rate (i.e. ~95% rebellion rate) on the state of NY gun registration law.
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2015/06/my-apologies-to-armed-civil.html

Now, back to squishing toads....

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 25, 2015 5:36 PM  

No, I think a few people could disrupt moving the food for two weeks.

It wouldn't take much to keep trucks off the highways. Most people can't prepare their food from the stalk or hide.

Blogger kudzu bob June 25, 2015 6:06 PM  

@Elocutioner0226

You misread. You fail to to grasp reasoning by analogy and then cry "non sequitur." You mistake prudence for cowardice. In sum, you lack even the native wit to tell who is a concern troll and who is a blowhard, much less the discernment needed to judge when fighting another civil war might make any kind of sense.

Anonymous Grinder June 25, 2015 7:26 PM  

94. Blogger Nate June 25, 2015 10:00 AM
"Amazon refusing to sell battle flags is not going to start a race war."

correct.

the war that is coming actually will have little or nothing to do with race.


You've said a lot of stupid things over the years but this is another contender for stupidest. The war that is coming will either see the prospects of the survival of the white race improved or weakened. Any other issues are tangential but you are unable to see it. What else matters, wiseguy? Whether Marxism triumphs over liberty? It already has. You must have been asleep to have missed it. We are now in the consolidation of the Marxist system where the vestigial remnants of freedom are being erased.
You are so full of shit, Nate. You have no ideas and no plan. You would never have joined the Revolution in Washington's day until the hardest part of the fight was all over, if even then. You and much of the ilk are still too comfortable watching niggerball on the jewtube and drinking whiskey. \
I suppose it's better than nothing if your ilk here buy a bunch of confederate flags in your Charlie Hebdo moment. The Founding Fathers were already pretty rich and they didn't need to risk death fighting for your nation. When men like that come along this time, just stay out of the way, loudmouth.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 June 25, 2015 7:43 PM  

You're a moron, Grinder.

Anonymous Grinder June 25, 2015 7:50 PM  

You're just another numbered sycophant in a circle jerk.

Blogger Danby June 25, 2015 8:36 PM  

@grinder
fuck you.

We

Don't

Care.

Now go home and rub yourself with your mommas panties.

Again.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 25, 2015 8:41 PM  

@Kudzu Bob

Nope. Until your analogy you had been saying don't attack, the first to resort to violence loses, the government maneuvers it's intended victims into shooting first, the gov't has a monopoly of force, 4GW won't work.' And then magically it's 'patience, learn some fighting skills first *THEN* fight, it'd be reckless to fire first.'

So your argument is essentially wait until the government is ready to start the conflict on it's own terms with it's own optics but in the meantime prepare the non-4GW strategies because we're too weak to fight them on our own terms.

Alrighty then.

Blogger dfordoom June 25, 2015 8:59 PM  

Won't other mentally unbalanced kids out there see this as "moar opresshun!" and get pushed more toward the edge?

That's certainly what the SJWs are hoping.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 June 25, 2015 9:17 PM  

Amen

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 June 25, 2015 9:43 PM  

We’re seeing it all over the place in a media frenzy that began with a cause I agree with (removing Confederate Flags from state capitols) into what is now a full-blown mob waging a bullying witch hunt to completely memory-hole the flag.

Good job, conservatives.

When did your boy Rand "it's time to put the Confederate flag in a museum" Paul become a conservative?

"There's no room in this outfit for good losers. We need tough sons of bitches who'll go in there and win!"
Admiral Jonas Ingram

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 June 25, 2015 9:48 PM  


Yes. It does. That's how it works.


Wrong.

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