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Sunday, June 14, 2015

The outrage is not manufactured

Peter Grant hears from a second Tor employee:
It appears that there's immense anger and bitterness among some senior personnel at Tor.  They reportedly believe the current backlash against that company is basically 'manufactured outrage', deliberately stirred up by Vox Day (whose name is allegedly an expletive there now).  Some have even asserted that the thousands of e-mails complaining about Irene Gallo's statement aren't genuine, but the product of a bot-net, a manufactured wave of pseudo-indignation that has no foundation in reality.  Apparently Macmillan and others involved aren't so sure about that, but it's a defense the SJW's are using with might and main.  It's also apparently why almost none of us have had any acknowledgment of our complaints, not even a notification that our e-mails have been received.  (Some correspondents who requested confirmation when their e-mails were opened have received it;  others have not.)

A major cause of the bitterness among the senior SJW's at Tor is that Macmillan is allegedly taking a much greater role in formulating Tor's policies and enforcing adherence to them.  The company is said to have a new social media policy that's been described as 'Draconian', and individuals have allegedly been warned that any further violations will be a terminally bad idea, career-wise....

They're worried about their own futures.  They say that any serious boycott of Tor will have very damaging effects, very quickly, because the company's margins are not good.
What the people at Tor don't understand is that this is not merely a backlash of momentary outrage at a few recent actions by Tor's senior SJWs. This is an expression of righteous fury for the way in which thousands of us have been routinely deprecated, insulted, denigrated, and marginalized by a very small group of individuals who believe they have the right and the duty to thought-police the world of science fiction and banish badthinkers from it.

They have been the gatekeepers and they have abused their positions in the most shameless and unprofessional of ways. I may have been the chief target of their leader, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, but only because I happened to be a) the most visible, being a nationally syndicated libertarian op/ed columnist, b) the most irritating, being a published science fiction novelist and professional SFWA colleague, and c) the most stubborn. They despised conservatives and Republicans who don't publish science fiction novels every bit as much as they despised me.

But none of those people ever had a means of striking back at the people at Tor Books who were raining contempt on them at every given opportunity before. All I have done is provide tens of thousands of people with an opportunity to hit back at the very small number of individuals they know to hate and despise them. The outrage is not manufactured, it is merely directed. I can't make people angry at Tor Books because they already are.

So, now it is time to demonstrate that we are not bots. Now it is time to let Macmillan know that we truly exist and we do NOT approve of the senior SJWs at Tor Books who have been publicly attacking us for more than a decade.

It is time to prove to Macmillan that the senior SJWs at Tor are lying to them by sending ONE email apiece to the following people on MONDAY morning. (Emphasis added as a result of already seeing emails in my inbox.) Send the emails separately, do not CC them or send out one email to the three email addresses at the same time. The point is to make it clear that you are NOT a bot, you are a human being, and therefore the people at Tor Books are lying to their superiors at Macmillan.
  1. tom.dohertyATtor.com
  2. andrew.weberATmacmillan.com
  3. rhonda.brownATmacmillan.com
The three emails should be short, straightforward, polite, and respectful. It should have I AM A REAL PERSON in the subject, CC voxdayATgmail.com, and address the following points:
  • I am a real person and not a bot.
  • I do not approve of the behavior of the senior people at Tor Books, specifically Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Moshe Feder, and Irene Gallo.
  • I am requesting you to require Irene Gallo to resign from her positions at Tor Books and Tor.com as a consequence of her egregiously unprofessional public attack on science fiction readers and writers.
  • I request a response to confirm that my email has been received and read.
Something to that effect, anyway. There is no need to mention any possibility of a boycott, tell them how many books you buy in a year, or anything else. The people at Macmillan are smart, they are professional, and they know what is at stake. What they do not know is something we are going to have to demonstrate to them: SJWs always lie.

There is no bot-net. No one is spamming them. The wave of indignation is not manufactured and the indignation is not pseudo. Patrick Nielsen Hayden and the others are lying to them. What I would encourage the executives at Macmillan to ask themselves are these two questions:
  1. WHY has Vox Day deliberately taken advantage of this mass hostility towards the senior people at Tor Books? 
  2. WHO has put Macmillan in this situation?
Am I a complete lunatic who, after 19 years of being an unassuming customer of Tor Books, suddenly developed an irrational hatred for Tom Doherty, a man who is by all accounts a very nice and decent guy? Or is absolutely everything I have said completely true and readily verifiable, and I have been the subject of unprovoked, unprofessional, ideologically-driven public attacks by Tor's senior employees for more than ten years?

Why not talk to the people at Pocket Books, at Simon & Schuster, at Random House, at Regnery, at BenBella Books, at Thomas Nelson, and at WND Books who know me? Ask them if they have ever had any problem whatsoever with me. Ask them if I have ever been less than entirely professional in my relations with them. And then ask yourselves why I am so uniquely and implacably hostile to a single publishing house with which I have never had any professional contact, to which I have never so much as submitted a single short story.

And then I would also encourage the executives at Macmillan to ask themselves why thousands of people are so ready and willing to be stirred up into action against Tor Books and not against DAW, Del Rey, Orbit, Gollancz, Pocket Books, Random House, Golden Gryphon, or any other publishing house in the genre. What is it about Tor Books that causes so many people to regard it as an enemy?

I'll give them a hint. The answer starts with "P".

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Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit June 14, 2015 5:20 AM  

Will do.

Blogger Wayne Earl June 14, 2015 5:35 AM  

Emails written, delivery deferred to Monday via crontab so I don't have to remember to do it then.

Blogger Shimshon June 14, 2015 5:37 AM  

Consider it done.

Blogger Shimshon June 14, 2015 5:43 AM  

The reason the SJWs are so up in arms is because they know that no matter how small this victory will be, it will be about as far from pyrrhic as can be. If there is a new social media policy, and it's as "draconian" as hinted, we have already had a partial victory. The SJWs at Tor are squelched, good and hard.

Blogger Shimshon June 14, 2015 5:56 AM  

The bot accusation is ridiculous, as any basic analysis of the emails, which could be cooked up in a few lines of any dynamic language (as well as many other utilities and applications), would immediately disprove the assertion. But if it takes this next step, fine.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) June 14, 2015 5:58 AM  

Draft written and saved. You lucky, er wise, bastards running linux, I should be doing that at home...

Blogger JDC June 14, 2015 6:06 AM  

Yep

Blogger Salt June 14, 2015 6:06 AM  

No problem. Monday morning it shall be.

Blogger Shimshon June 14, 2015 6:20 AM  

It's too bad a campaign like this can't simultaneously boost Castalia book rankings at Amazon! A combined email/book bomb.

Blogger Rick Caird June 14, 2015 6:51 AM  

I have to say I am getting tired of the left attacking people and trying to get them fired. All too often then are successful. It is evil. I feel the same way when this side does it too. Economic warfare by not buying books is one thing, but trying to get people fired is an entirely different matter and should not be part of any protest. We were horrified when Brandon Eich was fired and now we see people from the McKinney incident being fired, all in the name of political correctness.

I had some little gay guy threaten me that way yesterday because I do not support gay marriage. I invited him to look me up and send a letter to my employer on his employer's letterhead with his name attached. He declined.

These politically correct wars on individual have to stop.

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 June 14, 2015 6:52 AM  

A couple of points:

Moshe Feder took Tom Doherty's statement about Gallo's personal opinions as carte blanche to issue his own despicable attacks and statement of support for her opinions as long as he characterized them as personal and not the opinions of Tor.

Gallo herself (see cyberstalking post) has, since this all began, used a social media account where she identifies herself as an "Associate Publisher" and "Creative Director" for Tor to follow Vox Day on Twitter while adding the disclaimer to the same account that the opinions are her own and not those of Macmillan (not Tor, curiously). This strikes me as nothing more than a not-so-clever way of saying "Hey, I'm a senior employee of Tor, and, while I have to add the personal opinion disclaimer, we all know that these opinions will be carried over and employed in my work for Tor" ...wink wink, nod nod, say no more... otherwise, there's just no reason to include her employment information on a social media account that is for her "personal opinions".

These actions show that there is no earthly way that Gallo and Feder will ever separate their personal political opinions from their work for Tor. Indeed, they have signaled the opposite intent even when facing what one hears are rather strict or "draconian" instructions to the contrary from Macmillan. One wonders how Macmillan executives feel about having those instructions followed in the letter and horribly violated in spirit? Did they intend those policies to be paid lip service only and violated at will before the ink was dry on them? How often do those executives have to apologize for or disclaim their own statements denigrating their authors and customers by saying that they are "personal opinions" only and do not reflect Macmillan's official stance?

Finally, I wonder what other statements Gallo and Feder (or PNH for that matter) have made while identifying themselves as senior Tor employees that were purely personal and not related to their work at all, not no how, not no way, nothing to see here, did I mention I'm and editor/director/publisher of Tor you damned Nazis???

Blogger Ize19 June 14, 2015 6:56 AM  

There is a difference between demanding someone be fired for holding the wrong opinion, and demanding someone be fired for unprofessional behavior. Brandon Eich donating to a political fund is the former, Irene Gallo attacking co-workers and customers is the latter.

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 June 14, 2015 6:59 AM  

These politically correct wars on individual have to stop.

They won't until you turn the tables on them. Period. SJW Delenda Est. You remind me of the politicians who insist that we should not pursue our enemies when they hide in Cambodia or Pakistan or insist that we must treat foreign terrorists as citizens of the U.S. If you don't have the stomach for the fight, stay out of the way.

Blogger Doug Cranmer June 14, 2015 7:00 AM  

It shall be done, Master.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 7:04 AM  

I have to say I am getting tired of the left attacking people and trying to get them fired. All too often then are successful. It is evil. I feel the same way when this side does it too. Economic warfare by not buying books is one thing, but trying to get people fired is an entirely different matter and should not be part of any protest.

I don't care how you feel. And your position is not merely wrong, but stupid. The reason the Germans stopped using poison gas is because the British and French started using it. The reason the USA stopped dropping atomic bombs is because the Soviet Union and the Chinese acquired the technology and threatened to use it in return.

If you don't approve of the Left attacking people's livelihoods and wish to deter them from doing so, you must be willing to respond in kind. Any other response is self-destructive, defeatist, and anti-deterrant.

By criticizing the Right's response, you are encouraging the Left to continue doing what they have been doing for a while now.

Blogger Student in Blue June 14, 2015 7:07 AM  

I'll even give them a hint. The answer starts with "P".

P... P...

Is it "pedophiles"?

No, wait, it's "prissy, prickly, pugnacious pedophile-supporters".

Blogger Student in Blue June 14, 2015 7:11 AM  

By criticizing the Right's response, you are encouraging the Left to continue doing what they have been doing for a while now.

Apologies for the doublepost, but Rick Caird might benefit from realizing this situation is very analogous to a bully. "Oh, let us never stoop to a bully's level" is a common complaint, and "just suck it up and prove yourself a better man" is a stereotypical prescription... but that never works. They'll keep right on bullying until either someone dies or the bully gets hit right back.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 14, 2015 7:28 AM  

Exactly. And return fire is NOT "stooping to the same level".

People who cannot tell the difference between an unprovoked assault and self defense against same, make very unreliable allies.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 14, 2015 7:28 AM  

I have to say I am getting tired of the left attacking people and trying to get them fired. All too often then are successful. It is evil. I feel the same way when this side does it too. Economic warfare by not buying books is one thing, but trying to get people fired is an entirely different matter and should not be part of any protest. We were horrified when Brandon Eich was fired and now we see people from the McKinney incident being fired, all in the name of political correctness.

The SJWs crossed this line themselves, and now they can reap the whirlwind.

Blogger Doom June 14, 2015 7:30 AM  

Monday? Gee. Let me check my calendar. Wait. No can do, so I'll do it Monday! It's good to be half fruitloops. Half iron though too, so watch the snark. Only half, but that's a lot of half.

Actually, I best put that in my calendar. Monday is like... a week away for some of us. I so wanted to use the "y" word, too. Oh well. Still did, didn't I? *grins*

Blogger Dexter June 14, 2015 7:34 AM  

Re #10 -- as usual, the concern trolls show up...

Blogger Dexter June 14, 2015 7:37 AM  

This strikes me as nothing more than a not-so-clever way of saying "Hey, I'm a senior employee of Tor, and, while I have to add the personal opinion disclaimer, we all know that these opinions will be carried over and employed in my work for Tor" ...wink wink, nod nod, say no more... otherwise, there's just no reason to include her employment information on a social media account that is for her "personal opinions".

She is giving us the middle finger.

"Yes, I work for Tor, and I am going to insult you on company time and under the company aegis, nothing's going to happen to me, and there's not a thing you can do about it, ha ha ha."

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 14, 2015 7:42 AM  

I find the info provided by Peter Grant on what is going on inside Tor fascinating due to the insight it provides on the self-imposed bubble that the SJWs live in.

Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of emails objecting to being called a Nazi, must be bot cause we know SPs and RPs cannot possibly have the cognitive ability to master sending an email.

It is all that rascally Vox Day's fault. We would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for him.

SJWs are sounding a lot like the villain in a Scooby Doo cartoon.

Anonymous buzzcut #207 June 14, 2015 7:43 AM  

I'm just a bot
Yes, I'm only a bot
And they refer to me as Agent ZOT
Monday I'm off to send emails
About the people of Tor
To the heads of Macmill
And Mister Tom Doher
And I'll send them all at 9 on the dot
How I hope they ignore me not
But today I am still just a bot

Blogger JACIII June 14, 2015 7:47 AM  

Love the "bots" claim. That's some high toned scrambling on their part. Indicates someone is paying attention and at least starting to ask questions.

"P", why am I getting all this email from customers pissed off at your employees?

Bots!

The only thing that could possibly explain the casualness of statements by certain Tor employees is an attitude of job entitlement. That may be a misconception on their part.

Blogger Jason Rennie June 14, 2015 7:48 AM  

Sent 3 personal emails, each different, didn't CC you though. Didn't call explicitly for firing them, but noted I don't like doing business with people who hate me and just asked they do something about the loose canons. I also apologized for taking up their time. Especially the Macmillan folks.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2015 7:52 AM  

The bot accusation is ridiculous

Indeed. How often do you see a bot-produced email or blog comment that isn't recognizable as such in less than a second? And those come from people who are getting paid to do it, whose livelihoods depend on suckering at least a small percentage of recipients into believing they're real.

The people receiving the emails (assuming they bother to read them and aren't just trashing everything like Fawn Hall stuffing Iran-Contra documents into a shredder) know how many are real and from individuals. They're just lying about it, and their SJW comrades are happily repeating the lie. It's what they do.

Anonymous Mandingo Ojibwe June 14, 2015 8:05 AM  

Dear Tor Books,

I Am The Governor Central Bank Of Nigeria. This Is To Notify You That Your Over Due Inheritance Funds Has Been Gazzeted To Be Released To You Via The Foreign Remmitance Department Of Our Ban.

Also, Irene Gallo Has Insulted Me And Should Be Fired.

Blogger James Sullivan June 14, 2015 8:06 AM  

Prepped and ready to mail.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 14, 2015 8:11 AM  

These politically correct wars on individual have to stop.

They will most assuredly not stop if we stop. Our opponents are incapable (literally incapable) of reasoned discourse. They are immune to pleas of logic and civility.

This is not an action I am taking lightly. I know the pain of a shattered career all to well (not that their careers will be shattered, they will be heroes to the left in an industry that is 90% dominated by the left).

Our culture is under attack. This is lead, follow or get out of the damn way time.

We have tried numerous times to be polite and reasonable. They have batted those efforts away, spat in our face and called us Fascists and Nazis.

"We have made our peace gesture, the forms of Kanly have been obeyed."

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2015 8:23 AM  

Also, Irene Gallo Has Insulted Me And Should Be Fired.

Ha! Thank you for the heartiest laugh I've had in days.

So, is it okay to call Rick a concern troll? I'd hate to jump to conclusions.

Blogger Nate June 14, 2015 8:33 AM  

What all of this proves is that the liberals have never had to live in the same boxed-in social media cage that the rest of the world lives in. Center and Right people have to create personal and professional twitter and facebook accounts.. and they keep the two completely separate.

These tor folks have never had to do that. They've never had to live in the box they put everyone else in.

Anonymous Greg June 14, 2015 8:35 AM  

I sent my emails. I've had enough of them.

Anonymous Greg June 14, 2015 8:37 AM  

Just noticed I should have waited until Monday. Was too fired up...

Anonymous 360 June 14, 2015 8:49 AM  

@ Rick

These politically correct wars on individual have to stop.

We are simply using the Beniah principle (1 Chr. 11:22). We are taking the enemies weapon and using it against them, to their utter destruction.

Seems fair to me seeing as they are out to destroy us. It's killed or be killed the see days.

Anonymous Anonymaus June 14, 2015 8:50 AM  

Sent this just now.

Good morning all; I wanted to let you know that Theodore Beale (AKA Vox Day) has requested on his blog (voxday.blogspot.com) that his followers email you the following.

- I am a real person and not a bot.
- I do not approve of the behavior of the senior people at Tor Books, specifically Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Moshe Feder, and Irene Gallo.
- I am requesting you to require Irene Gallo to resign from her positions at Tor Books and Tor.com as a consequence of her egregiously unprofessional public attack on science fiction readers and writer


I wanted to take a moment and let you know that I am a real person and not a bot (for whatever that is worth).

Also, I wanted to state in no uncertain terms that while I don't really know much about the behavior of the senior people at Tor Books, if the quality of your books are any indication, then keep doing what you are doing. Regarding Patrick Nielsen Hayden and Irene Gallo, I would send them a thank you for standing up to online thugs and trolls. While the term "neo-nazi" may not technically be accurate in describing Theodore Beale, I think if you review his blog and his views on race and gender, it's close enough for short hand.

Thank you for your consideration.

Blogger Nate June 14, 2015 8:52 AM  

People... is it MONDAY morning where you are?

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 14, 2015 9:01 AM  

Interesting.

It (TOR) is said to have bet its shirt on a recent contract with John Scalzi, and allegedly doesn't have that much liquid capital left to play with.

No wonder he's been keeping his head down. I was starting to wonder if he'd taken ill.

No one wants to be known as, 'the guy who sank TOR.'

If (and that is a big if) this is true then PNH's head...well it isn't exactly on the block but he's been shown where it is.

Which leaves the question, was Scalzi's new contract just a double-down after Lock-In tanked or was it simply the best choice available.

Blogger Salt June 14, 2015 9:03 AM  

One thing I'd recommend is, sign with your name. Even putting your mailing addy shows how open you are about being "not a bot".

Blogger Steveo #238 June 14, 2015 9:08 AM  

My suggestion for Macmillan senior staff would be... well gee "P", why don't we just email this Steve guy right back and see if he's a bot?

3 emails ready.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 14, 2015 9:09 AM  

Boot #36. Will send these out. I expect they will double down and double down, they know our feminized allies hate confrontation with crazies such as the lady above who hates, hates to see people fired.

PC is a religious faith, we are dealing with zealots whose lives are pure emotion, caught up in a cult ran by a few die hard evil vermin who know how to push their buttons and write fairly decent and effective memes.

The only way thru is a Jonestown, either at their own hands or with outside help.

Anonymous trk June 14, 2015 9:10 AM  

You know we're not bots since people cannot follow directions.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 9:11 AM  

Sent this just now.

That works for me, Anonymaus. Regardless of whether they are justified or not, the fact that Irene Gallo is publicly attempting to insult me, a Tor customer, is probably not how Macmillan expects senior people at Tor Books to behave.

The one thing your side clearly doesn't understand is that what is acceptable for random people on the Internet is not acceptable for corporate employees. My opinions are entirely irrelevant because Macmillan is not responsible for me. They are solely concerned with the behavior of their employees.

Anonymous VoK June 14, 2015 9:12 AM  

First, if Irene is fired, she'll almost certainly get severance. Second, she'll find another job. I'm not worried about making her homeless.

I legitimately think she should be fired. Would I complain if a server insulted me in a restaurant? Absolutely. What's different here?

You have to be a real doormat in life to take constant insults and not complain. Grow a spine. Demand a modicum of respect from companies you do business with.

Blogger Arborist (#0232) June 14, 2015 9:19 AM  

Done.

Blogger JDC June 14, 2015 9:21 AM  

I am fishing in a bass tournament this week, and as a consequence I had to send my email early. Hope I don't tip the scales too much.

As I stated in my email, in my lifetime I have purchased at least 50 Tor books (probably more) and read another 50 from the library. If this is how they think they can treat their customers, their business-sense is certainly lacking.

I don't expect to be kicked in the balls by someone I support financially. I get enough of that from our gub'mint.

Blogger JDC June 14, 2015 9:27 AM  

People... is it MONDAY morning where you are?

In my line of work Sunday is like most people's Monday, so in a sense, yes it is. Now be nice or I will have to regale the blog with anti-southron rantings.

Tornadoes and Southerners going through a divorce have a lot in common. In either case, you know someone is going to lose a trailer.

Blogger njartist June 14, 2015 9:31 AM  

46. JDC
Winner!

Anonymous RedBane June 14, 2015 9:35 AM  

Am I bad person for taking a degree of pleasure from the fact that SWJs may now be coming to the realization, that their impenetrable and impregnable fortress of Marxist thought policing, may indeed be no more protective than a child's tent in a hurricane of public indignation and once-to-often provoked good-will and patience? It took Europe 300 years to get it's act together for the Crusades.Hopefully it will not be as long to route the ideological enemy within the gates, ho seem feel they are beyond reproach and censure. Are they really this blind to their own sins of hypocrisy?

Anonymous RedBane June 14, 2015 9:36 AM  

Apologies for the spelling errors. My touch pad has gone mental since reformatting .

Blogger James Sullivan June 14, 2015 9:38 AM  

@Cataline Sergius

"Which leaves the question, was Scalzi's new contract just a double-down after Lock-In tanked or was it simply the best choice available."

They do have other choices, don't they? I don't know publishing numbers but I think Brandon Sanderson would have been a reasonable choice, rather than Scalzi.

They also do have some good talent. I've liked Daniel Abraham's Dagger and Coin stuff, though he probably doesn't sell like Sanderson.

I mean, they have OSC, but we all know they can't bet on him...

Anonymous Menelaus June 14, 2015 9:42 AM  

Why aren't they promoting the devil out of JCW, and trying to sign him away from CH to a longterm deal? SIX Hugo noms iirc

Anonymous VoK June 14, 2015 9:51 AM  

The only bots at play, if they are, almost certainly come from the SJW camp. This is the loony kind of shit they do to make us look bad. They threaten themselves. They dox themselves. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they tried to overwhelm inboxes with obvious bot messages.

Anonymous WaterBoy June 14, 2015 10:04 AM  

There is an analogous situation in the woman who was fired from her daycare job before she even started it, because she posted on her personal Facebook page that she hated being around children.

From the daycare provider's perspective:

1. How much does this employee actually care about their customers?

2. How will those customers react when they find out how one of that company's employees feel about them?

These are the same questions confronting Tor and MacMillan.

Anonymous T June 14, 2015 10:05 AM  

I wasn't intending on sending an email, but after anonymaus, I felt inspired to share my story. Thanks!

Dear Macmillan:

As an individual who reads avidly, enjoys SF greatly, and agrees with the position of Theodore Beale on the need for story above message In SF (And also enjoying his writing as well as his recommendations) It upsets and confuses me to see an employee of Tor Books referring to Theodore as, among other things, a homophobic Neo-Nazi. I am sure you can see how this would upset me, being a homosexual libertarian (and I assure you, not a bot) who greatly enjoys Theodore's works and recommendations.

Such behavior is unbecoming of a professional employee. We are not caricatures to be pigeonholed into stereotypes. I look forward to purchasing good SF from your company in the future if it decides to publish works I enjoy, as long as the employees refrain from insulting authors I respect and appreciate.


I will edit it and clean it up for sending tomorrow.

Thanks for the inspiration to share my story, anonymaus! I just couldn't let you speak for me and other gay readers who enjoy VD's works and recommendations. We will not be silenced!

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 14, 2015 10:06 AM  

Scalzi's deal makes sense, if you only look at groupthink. He is what they want for the narrative, and they don't care about his sales. Of course, they bet the farm, the seed corn, and the truck on him making a profit.

In other words, good luck with that.

Blogger Mark June 14, 2015 10:11 AM  

I was thinking of including a pic of myself, kinda like the lefties love with their useless selfie hashtags. Instead of #BringBackOurGirls I was thinking #NotABot. In front of one of my bookshelves.

Anonymous Leatherwing June 14, 2015 10:20 AM  

"The only bots at play, if they are, almost certainly come from the SJW camp"

It is typical for them to accuse others of doing what they are in fact doing. Hasnt the Toad of Tor used sock puppets? (If not her, it was someone like her. That all look alike to me)

Anonymous Anonymaus June 14, 2015 10:29 AM  

Am I just a complete lunatic who possesses an irrational hatred for Tom Doherty, a man who is, by all accounts, a very nice and decent guy?

No, you are a complete lunatic who possesses an irrational hatred for John Scalzi and now that you've irrevocably "lost" your "feud" with him, I guess you need some outlet for you lunacy. Tor and Patrick Nielsen Hayden (the man who ensured that Scalzi "won" your "feud" and for whom Gallo is a proxy) seems like a logic place to direct your lunacy.

Blogger Shimshon June 14, 2015 10:30 AM  

I think it's important that we token Jews (Jooooos?) be greatly affronted at the epithet of "neo-nazi" being hurled our way. Use the "anti-semitism" card with pride (in this one instance; disclaimers apply; see fine print for conditions).

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 10:34 AM  

Tor and Patrick Nielsen Hayden (the man who ensured that Scalzi "won" your "feud" and for whom Gallo is a proxy) seems like a logic place to direct your lunacy.

It is remarkable how little you understand me. I mean, it's actually impressive how you can somehow manage to get everything almost precisely backwards.

Then again, you were dumb enough to reinforce the point we're making.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 14, 2015 10:34 AM  

@Rick Caird, I agree with you that attacking people's livelihood for speaking their opinions is awful, however I've become increasingly convinced by what Ace of Spades has been saying lately: These attacks will not stop until the left, who does these things constantly, starts feeling the pain themselves. There will be no cease fire until they have wounded too. Until then, all this speech policing has ZERO cost to them and enormous benefit.

Anonymous Earl June 14, 2015 10:35 AM  

I am not going to email Tor with what you tell me to write. I am going to say what I want to say.

Anonymous Earl June 14, 2015 10:37 AM  

And right now.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 10:41 AM  

I am not going to email Tor with what you tell me to write. I am going to say what I want to say.

By all means, go for it. I've merely provided a conceptual starting point.

Blogger Julie Dyal June 14, 2015 10:41 AM  

I was just thinking earlier of actually mailing physical letters to Tor and MacMillan, but... this sounds easier for the time being.

Will do.

OpenID mattse001 June 14, 2015 10:41 AM  

"Some have even asserted that the thousands of e-mails complaining about Irene Gallo's statement aren't genuine, but the product of a bot-net, a manufactured wave of pseudo-indignation that has no foundation in reality."
1) SJWs always lie.
2) SJWs always accuse opponents of what they are guilty of themselves.

Anonymous Rizzi June 14, 2015 10:43 AM  

Mary Puppet agreed to pull her next two novels if Irene is fired.

Blogger AmyJ June 14, 2015 10:44 AM  

I'm not one who usually writes emails in protest; I'm usually the type that simply stops buying products if I've been insulted or unhappy with the product. But I do plan to send these emails Monday. If they are already receiving thousands and thinking it's a bot attack, think of how many more like me are out there: silent, but upset, angry, and willing to walk away. I expect they'll get a flood tomorrow.

Anonymous T June 14, 2015 10:44 AM  

Then again, you were dumb enough to reinforce the point we're making.

And almost assuredly telling himself I'm a sock puppet who couldn't possibly be real, denying my lived experience.

There is NO PLACE IN SOCIETY for someone who would deny the lived experiences of oppressed classes. Anonymaus, check your privilege.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 11:01 AM  

Yes, it was. Email me if you have any questions.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 14, 2015 11:02 AM  

> Sent this just now.



Anonymaus just provided evidence that there are real people, not bots involved, which was one of the main points.

Well done, Anonymaus. Keep up the good work. You may be in line for an honorary VFM #.

Anonymous Earl June 14, 2015 11:03 AM  

I laugh when SJWs repeat your arguments and plans made in public, as if they have discovered some deep profound revelation or conspiracy. Like anonymaus. So cute.

"Yes, that is my argument, its no secret, this is the part where you respond substantively, not just point and shriek."

Blogger maniacprovost June 14, 2015 11:04 AM  

The only way to stop a war is to win.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 14, 2015 11:04 AM  

I had some little gay guy threaten me that way yesterday because I do not support gay marriage. I invited him to look me up and send a letter
Tell him you hope he loses 1/2 his assets in gay divorce court and has to pay gay alimony for ex boyfriends to lay about doing drugs. If you think it is evil to respond in kind to firings, than using it against CHORFs is the only way leftists will fear it. They are like the gays I told about Bath House Barry speaking to black clergy about his opposition to gay marriage a week before the 2012 election, "Stuipid niggers" they think their little group is the only one not being lied to, making them special.

Right people have to create personal and professional twitter and facebook accounts.. and they keep the two completely separate.
Perhaps like HilLIARy they are not smart enough to manage two email accounts?

People... is it MONDAY morning where you are? Do you really think SJWs check their work emails on a weekend?

Blogger Jeff Weimer June 14, 2015 11:09 AM  

Tor seems to be poorly run, all around. If they don't already know what to do with you, they'll ignore you, hoping you go away. OF course, that's *after* they lock you into a 5-year exclusive contract, so you can't do anything at all with the product. Phil Foglio had this experience: http://girlgeniusadventures.com/2014/01/29/a-tale-of-two-tors-be-warned-im-annoyed/

Turns out, it's an institutional thing. When he pressed Pat Hayden, Hayden explained the "wish it would go away" tactic, and then proceeded to...ignore Phil and pretend it would go away. Attitudes like that come from the top down, or are enabled by it. Why didn't Hayden fire those editors when they wouldn't do their job? Because they learned that from him. If this is how they treat people they like, is it any wonder they want to salt the earth over people who they don't?

Anonymous BGS June 14, 2015 11:09 AM  

Anonymaus just provided evidence that there are real people, not bots involved, which was one of the main points.
Well done, Anonymaus. Keep up the good work. You may be in line for an honorary VFM #.


If you tell them they are doing your work for them they might not post things that prove your point. Making SJWs look stupid before moderates is the goal. These gay parents might think twice before posting their family on the internet.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8YR9IV9Alc

Anonymous Rizzi June 14, 2015 11:14 AM  

No questions. Thanks.

Blogger maniacprovost June 14, 2015 11:18 AM  

"Do you really think SJWs check their work emails on a weekend?"

Based on my experience with a work phone, emails on the weekend are more likely to be mulled over.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 14, 2015 11:26 AM  

I too don't like firing employees over their comments, but Vox is right. You have to fight fire with fire. We have to force the resignation of Gallo in order for the Left to stop clamoring for conservatives to be fired. Once they learn that their tactics can be used against them, well, they will stop.

I don't wish Ms. Gallo to be fired. I don't like it but nevertheless, duty is duty, and Wisdom trumps feelings. She has to be fired in order to shut up the SJWs.

Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 11:32 AM  

"Do you really think SJWs check their work emails on a weekend?"

You bet they are. More than they ever have before. They are probably checking every five minutes to see what all the 'bots' are saying now. It's driving them crazy. They HAVE to be checking their emails because they absolutely can't stand not knowing what somebody out there might be thinking of them.

I mean, they're all we ever think about, right?

Anonymous Swoggler June 14, 2015 11:42 AM  

I'm in for the Monday morning email bomb. Here's why. There's going to be a post facto leak in this year's Hugo balloting. Sasquan is going to get "hacked" and all of the anonymous votes...won't be. Those of us who have bought memberships have already had our names published in the Sasquan newsletter, and that's fine. But the odds approach unity that there will be a leak where votes get matched to names; the better to correctly categorize us and put us on the wrongfan list.

Think you haven't been directly called a Nazi yet? You will be. Start fighting now.

Blogger Danby June 14, 2015 11:47 AM  

@Rick Caird
We don't care.

We don't care.

We really don't care what you think is acceptable behavior. This war has been a gradual retreat for 75 years because of nice guys like you. You've left the field to us bastards and vile, faceless minions. Unlike you, we'll win, you gormless weasel.

Returning fire is not evil. We'll happily lay down this weapon when the other side does. Not one second before.

I had some little gay guy threaten me that way yesterday because I do not support gay marriage. I invited him to look me up and send a letter to my employer on his employer's letterhead with his name attached. He declined.

And what would have happened if he were an employee of at Tor, or some non-profit? He would have been happy to have you killed, not just fired. You're really not getting this Champ.

These politically correct wars on individual have to stop.

War is upon you whether you wish it or no.

Anonymous Concerned Citizen June 14, 2015 11:52 AM  

Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm joining the e-mail campaign. Not because I agree with Mr. Beale. I find many - not all by any means, but many - of his beliefs rather obnoxious and loathsome. But the difference between Mr. Beale and the SJWs is that Beale does not call for the personal destruction of those who disagree with him, and the SJWs do. The Maoist "denounce a reactionary" games the SJWs love to play have gotten us here. Calling for Gallo's resignation is not the same: self-defense is not the same as hunting for ideological enemies and trying to hound them out of every community the SJWs deem worthy enough to control.

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi, ascribing evil motives to anybody who dares to question the Marxist-Leninist framework of SJW beliefs ("white privilege" "racism" becoming a power referent), that's the kind of thing that needs to be stopped. The Gallos and Feders need to be stopped. They are the ones threatening the livelihoods of people for their beliefs. This campaign is threatening their livelihoods because they are lying scum using whatever little power and influence they have to hurt people for their beliefs.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera June 14, 2015 11:53 AM  

I'm in.

The people at Macmillan are smart, they are professional, and they know what is at stake.

Do they not know their market demographics? Have they never met their Tor employees before? Can they not do basic research? Can they not hire a researcher to save their precious time? Do they not see the site stats? The comment threads? The Hugo nominations?

More to the point, are they simply, totally, altogether unaware of the leftist bias in SF/F publishing? The opportunity cost?

There are implications if the answers to these questions are yes, and there are implications if the answers are no.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 14, 2015 11:54 AM  

Someone says that if Tor fires Gallo, et al, it might cost them a severance package, too bad.

Also from Peter Grant's post-
"They're worried about their own futures. They say that any serious boycott of Tor will have very damaging effects, very quickly, because the company's margins are not good. It's said to have bet its shirt on a recent contract with John Scalzi, and allegedly doesn't have that much liquid capital left to play with..."

So the war chest is nearly empty! They going to need that liquidity for things like lawyers and damage control PR. Here are a few helpful suggestions, just to kick off a brainstorm.

Tor can introduce other cost-cutting measures, starting with a renegotiation of the Scalzi deal. To soften the new deal, help Scalzi with his/her household budgeting- e.g. Scott has a line of budget lawn care products, and goats are really good at mowing. Goodwill has a large and eclectic collection of affordable dresses both for him and his family.

Save on hotel room rent and catering at Worldcon by holding the Tor party in the coffee café at Worldcon, self-serve.

Ask any remaining employees to accept pay cuts to help pay for their campaign against all those neo-nazies coming out of the woodwork.

Hold a contest for best insider essay on "The Final Days at Tor".

Start a Gofundme campaign for ex-employees of Tor, to help with their cat food expenses. Any others?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera June 14, 2015 11:57 AM  

@Concerned Citizen,

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi, ascribing evil motives to anybody who dares to question the Marxist-Leninist framework of SJW beliefs ("white privilege" "racism" becoming a power referent), that's the kind of thing that needs to be stopped.

Amen brother. It's hard to turn political enemies into allies, but they've certainly done a bang-up job.

Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 12:00 PM  

"Returning fire is not evil. We'll happily lay down this weapon when the other side does. Not one second before."

Yep. When the Arabs lay down their weapons, their will be peace in Israel. When Israel lays down her weapons, there will be no Israel.

How long is going to take before the powers-that-be at Tor realize that we are the best friends they have in this fight? That we are fighting for THEIR survival and THEIR interests, and the interests of the rest of the SF/F community?

You would think that looking at this from a strictly business standpoint they would make a sound business decision. I have a sneaking suspicion that the draconian execs at Macmillan will be far more business minded and less reticent to do what needs to be done.

Heads are gonna roll . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY4V3UUY95A

Anonymous Earl June 14, 2015 12:06 PM  

BG Steve, that video... justifies war. And I don't mean the kind of 20th century total war, I mean the kind of "dash the children upon the rocks" kind of war.

Blogger jayb June 14, 2015 12:11 PM  

Is it MONDAY morning here?

Yes. Yes it is.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 14, 2015 12:12 PM  

35. Anonymaus Sent this just now.

A. - I do not approve of the behavior of the senior people at Tor Books, specifically Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Moshe Feder, and Irene Gallo.
- I am requesting you to require Irene Gallo to resign from her positions at Tor Books and Tor.com as a consequence of her egregiously unprofessional public attack on science fiction readers and writer

B. Also, I wanted to state in no uncertain terms that while I don't really know much about the behavior of the senior people at Tor Books, if the quality of your books are any indication, then keep doing what you are doing. Regarding Patrick Nielsen Hayden and Irene Gallo, I would send them a thank you for standing up to online thugs and trolls.
-----------------

What was it that SJWs always, always, ALWAYS do?

Anonymous bw June 14, 2015 12:16 PM  

The people at Macmillan are smart, they are professional, and they know what is at stake. What they do not know is...

We're gonna find out if any of that is true. I doubt it, personally. The march through the Institutions was/is real, to include Corps, if not especially Corps.

When Israel lays down her weapons, there will be no Israel.

Just as there wasn't before. No big loss, considering the illegitimate Banksta nature of it and "Judaism". They weren't run out of Europe for Centuries for no good reason.
Fortunately for the arrogant, racist Ashkenazi, and just like the SJW's (whom they have created and promoted), there is a sub-surface reason for it being propped up and its creation and existence, so it will abide.
The conflict is the purpose.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream June 14, 2015 12:17 PM  

Scheduled an email for tomorrow.

Only people who are extremely technically ignorant would believe the bot story.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 14, 2015 12:25 PM  

@ 78 WLW

I don't wish Ms. Gallo to be fired. I don't like it but nevertheless, duty is duty, and Wisdom trumps feelings. She has to be fired in order to shut up the SJWs.

They won't shut up. They can't. They will become more reticent, however.

As a reminder to anyone thinking of going all wobbly, here is John C. Wright's gentlemanly position on the subject


I, for one, will regret the event, since a woman of such superlative skill will be hard to replace, but I am confident that Mr Doherty will not insist on keeping her at her tasks in the face of her own shame and regret.

How could she, in good conscience, design a book cover for authors she has so bitterly, absurdly and erratically libeled, and proffer it to book buyers for whom she equally has shone such scorn and mind-destroying hate? It would be cruel of Mr Doherty to insist on Irene Gallo continuing to labor under such adverse and unhappy conditions.

Blogger Jourdan June 14, 2015 12:29 PM  

Message sent by me to all three.

I assured all of them that I was, in fact, a bot, and the messages all contain the footer:

_______________________________________________________________________

Message Brought to you By: CRWRNNES, Inc.

**Thank you for using Crazy Right Wing Racist Neo-Nazi Bot Email Services**

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 14, 2015 12:29 PM  

> The people at Macmillan are smart, they are professional, and they know what is at stake. What they do not know is...

Maybe, maybe not.

From the Holtzbrinck statement of VALUES

Responsibility

Our responsibility extends beyond our daily work: we are committed in a larger sense to having a positive effect on the earth and on the society in which we live.

Anonymous Eric Ashley June 14, 2015 12:29 PM  

Sent my email.

Anonymous Orville June 14, 2015 12:30 PM  

Salt says... One thing I'd recommend is, sign with your name. Even putting your mailing addy shows how open you are about being "not a bot".

I referenced my LinkedIn account and gave my full address and a description of my house with a link to Google street view.

Blogger Danby June 14, 2015 12:30 PM  

Emails queued up and ready to send. I am using my work email (from a very large corporation) as further demonstration that I'm not some bot.

Anonymous Orville June 14, 2015 12:32 PM  

And why the angst over someone losing their job? Don't be a pussy, bad and/or incompetent people should be fired.

Blogger Nate June 14, 2015 12:33 PM  

"
No, you are a complete lunatic who possesses an irrational hatred for John Scalzi and now that you've irrevocably "lost" your "feud" with him, I guess you need some outlet for you lunacy. Tor and Patrick Nielsen Hayden (the man who ensured that Scalzi "won" your "feud" and for whom Gallo is a proxy) seems like a logic place to direct your lunacy. "

You moron.

1) you're dumb enough to fail to realize that your email just got dumped into the giant pile of emails and it will be viewed exactly like all the other thousands of emails. It will likely never be read. They will simply assume you're one of us. So thanks for your support.

2) I've been here since long before the issues with scalzi started. I watched it. To an extent I participated in it. I was on the discussion board commenting the very first time issues between Scalzi and Vox showed up. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're ignorant as a post and spouting conjecture... repeating something you heard that you think sounds smart. Well here is the first step in your education... This issue predates Scalzi by years.

Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 12:33 PM  

" . . . here is John C. Wright's gentlemanly position on the subject"

Not to mention that he is an author who stands to lose financially if a boycott ever becomes necessary . . . but, then again, he is a man who is principally driven . . . which is anathema to most.

Blogger Henry Smith June 14, 2015 12:34 PM  

Email letters to go out. Tomorrow. Monday. All of them.

Blogger Corvinus June 14, 2015 12:34 PM  

1) SJWs always lie.
2) SJWs always accuse opponents of what they are guilty of themselves.


@mattse001
2) SJWs always project.

Well done, Anonymaus. Keep up the good work. You may be in line for an honorary VFM #.
@Not-So-Merry zen0
Nah, he gets the Unwitting Minions Brigade badge.

Blogger Corvinus June 14, 2015 12:35 PM  

Nah, he gets the Unwitting Minions Brigade badge.

Here.

Anonymous Geoff June 14, 2015 12:37 PM  

"SJWs always lie" is offensive and problematic.

The correct term is "honesty challenged".

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 12:39 PM  

But the difference between Mr. Beale and the SJWs is that Beale does not call for the personal destruction of those who disagree with him, and the SJWs do.

This is true. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I expect people to disagree with me; I expect most people to be unable to even fully understand me. I didn't choose conflict with Patrick Nielsen Hayden or Irene Gallo or John Scalzi. They chose conflict with me because they don't believe I have a right to my opinion and they actively sought to marginalize and silence me.

Anyhow, Concerned Citizen, I'm pleased to have you with us on this one issue, even if you happen to oppose us on many of the rest. I always welcome a civilized opponent.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 14, 2015 12:39 PM  

"Yep. When the Arabs lay down their weapons, their will be peace in Israel. When Israel lays down her weapons, there will be no Israel. "

And nothnig of value will be lost.

What amuses me is that you pharisees like to use that argument as if we didn't know that you're omitting a key fact: of COURSE there would be peace if the Arabs laid down their arms. You have what you want. YOu have injured them and have gotten away with murder, as it were. The fact that you would be content with letting the people who lived there for centuries live in some barren desert without killing them isn't a sign of your magnanimity.

Remember, Rabbi: those who justify their rapaciousness based on "Vae Victis" have no grounds for complaint when it is open season on them. Or: the Right of Conquest also applies to Muslims.

Blogger Danby June 14, 2015 12:39 PM  

@Geoff,
"SJWs always lie" is offensive and problematic.

So are their lies.

Blogger Jourdan June 14, 2015 12:43 PM  

There was a comment earlier regarding the Tor employee who emailed Peter Grant about owners being worried because margins are thin and even a small boycott could hurt badly.

I spent 7 years in the private practice of law before moving to government work. During that time, my clients included a lot of business owners. Modern business has evolved to the point where the competition is fierce and the margins are, by necessity, razor-thin across the board.

I found this to be true in nearly every industry. People who most folks would look at and think successful businessmen are typically anywhere from 24-48 hours of losing it all should something bad happen.

So, this report rings true to me.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad June 14, 2015 12:46 PM  

1) SJWs always lie.
2) SJWs always accuse opponents of what they are guilty of themselves.


and

3) SJWs don't know when to shutup.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke June 14, 2015 12:51 PM  

If it hasn't already been noted, you may wish to add "Please do not copy and paste the bullet points."

Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 12:54 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Jack Ward June 14, 2015 12:54 PM  

Sunday: Approach march...
Monday: AM assault on objective...
Monday PM: Bourbon, a good steak and a warm warm throughout the evening...

I'm down for the struggle Monday.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream June 14, 2015 1:03 PM  

Scheduled an email.

As an aside, how technically ignorant do you have to be to believe that a bunch of different emails were produced by bots?

Anonymous MendoBot June 14, 2015 1:09 PM  

Mails written. Launch programmed for 2015:06:15:0815 (GMT-3).

Anonymous Anonymaus June 14, 2015 1:10 PM  

Well, you should be happy to know that I have reported you lunatics to the FBI. Cyber threats are criminal activity.

Blogger Harsh June 14, 2015 1:11 PM  

"SJWs always lie" is offensive and problematic.

It's neither.

Anonymous fish June 14, 2015 1:15 PM  

Well, you should be happy to know that I have reported you lunatics to the FBI. Cyber threats are criminal activity.

Did it go anything like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4YxoOuiDtQ

Blogger Danby June 14, 2015 1:17 PM  

@Anonymaus
Well, you should be happy to know that I have reported you lunatics to the FBI. Cyber threats are criminal activity.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
gasp
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

SJWs always double down. Are sure this isn't Tad? Oh, wait, Tad's smarter than this. Maybe Obvs has changed his name.

Blogger Jourdan June 14, 2015 1:17 PM  

@Anonymaus

Dude, don't waste the FBI's time, they're busy on other stuff right now.

"A second hard truth: Much research points to the widespread existence of unconscious bias. Many people in our white-majority culture have unconscious racial biases and react differently to a white face than a black face. In fact, we all, white and black, carry various biases around with us. I am reminded of the song from the Broadway hit, Avenue Q: “Everyone’s a Little Bit Racist.” Part of it goes like this:

Look around and you will find
No one’s really color blind.
Maybe it’s a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race."

- Excerpt, Address to Students at Georgetown University, by FBI Director Comey, Feb. 12, 2015

Blogger Harsh June 14, 2015 1:18 PM  

I have to say I am getting tired of the left attacking people and trying to get them fired. All too often then are successful. It is evil. I feel the same way when this side does it too. Economic warfare by not buying books is one thing, but trying to get people fired is an entirely different matter and should not be part of any protest.

We are fighting the war we find ourselves in, not the one we wish we were in. Refusing to use the same ruthless tactics the opposition uses out of some misguided sense of being the better person is simply foolish.

These politically correct wars on individual have to stop.

They will once we've won.

Blogger Harsh June 14, 2015 1:20 PM  

Well, you should be happy to know that I have reported you lunatics to the FBI. Cyber threats are criminal activity.

Says the anonymous moron who comes here to threaten us.

Blogger Danby June 14, 2015 1:22 PM  

@Anonymaus
The fedgov is not (yet) the SJW personal attack army. They deal with crimes, not butthurt. My uncle was an FBI Station Chief. He was always on about idiots who thought that anything they didn't like was a federal case. He would lament that "Waste of police resources" is a state or municipal level crime, not a federal one.

Hey, anonymaus, why not go get 4Chan and 8Chan on our case too? And AE?

Blogger Nikis-Knight June 14, 2015 1:22 PM  

draft saved:
Hello Mr Doherty,

I just wanted to send a quick message, as the head of a household that reads a lot of books and as someone who follows our cultural and political trends, that I find the unprofessional behavior of Tor executives to be disappointing but not surprising. The pattern of those of their political affiliation to believe that anyone not keeping up with progressive moral fads is beneath contempt and does not deserve to be treated respectfully is on display with comments made unfairly describing Tor customers, clients, and competitors in grossly unfair terms. My employer, for example, made clear that we were not to speak about others in our industry in ways not nearly as, well, "bad to reprehensible" as your employees do.

I do not know if this will be read, as it is rumored that you believe automated emails have been sent; this is absurd, but regardless, many are watching to see if Tor values all its customers, or is more committed to progressive intolerance.


Regards,

Anonymous T June 14, 2015 1:24 PM  

Obongo loses detailed personal information about every person and govt employee who has applied for a security clearance, and this shitstain thinks their priority right now should be investigating people sending emails to a publisher.

It would be funny...but it's not.

Blogger pdwalker June 14, 2015 1:25 PM  

For years, I watched the seemingly unstoppable progressive insanity of "The Crazy Years" develop in the West. So many times, I've said to myself, "What is wrong with everyone? Can't anyone see just how insane this all is? Where are all the adults? Am I the one who's actually gone mad?

Western civilization has been one of the greatest things Man has ever achieved. So many people live with such incredible wealth, such convenience, such - dare I say it - priviledge that it is pure madness to want to see it destroyed. No one could possibly benefit, not even the so called "leaders" at the top.

Travel to the rest of the world, see it for yourself. See what non Western societies are like, experience the joys of living in shitholes brough about through their wonderful, forward looking societies that have achieved so much on their own. Go look, then come back and tell me about it, assuming you survive the ordeal. I'll happily wait.

Despair is a sin, and yet I've despaired for a long time. For the first time, I now see people finally starting to take note, starting to fight the battles against these enemies of civilization that want to destory it all. It is time, and it is well past time for this to happen, lest the survivors of our culture all end up scratching our lice while sitting around in our nice comfy caves. Make no mistake. If these people have their way, then this *will* be the result, if not for us, then our children or children's children.

Vox,

For the first time I am seeing possibilities of hope.

Thank you.

Blogger Jourdan June 14, 2015 1:26 PM  

@Danby

the fedgov is not (yet) the SJW personal attack army.

Ohhhhh, yes it is my man, Yes it is. The only reason it does not appear to be so yet is that it's also grossly incompetent.

Anonymous Geoff June 14, 2015 1:27 PM  

GP, Danby

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 14, 2015 1:27 PM  

Well, you should be happy to know that I have reported you lunatics to the FBI. Cyber threats are criminal activity.

Next comes doxxing and swatting.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 14, 2015 1:27 PM  

Threats reported to the FBI? What threats did I miss the threats? Do I need more coffee?

Blogger Shimshon June 14, 2015 1:30 PM  

"the fedgov is not (yet) the SJW personal attack army."

Gay marriage, for example, was foisted on the majority of states in which it is recognized by the Federal courts. Very few states actually enacted it through legislative or popular means. If that isn't a particular SJW cause, I don't know what is.

There seems to be a significant probability that SCOTUS will impose it on the entire country.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 14, 2015 1:30 PM  

Any failure to parrot the SJW line is by definition a "threat" since it makes them feel unsafe.

Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 1:31 PM  

@Shimshon

Thanks. I should have said nothing or reinforced the point you made, rather than derail VD's OP by engaging Tommy's comment.

Anonymous Nathan June 14, 2015 1:36 PM  

"Next comes doxxing and swatting."

Seen the first, over at Making Light. Have been warned of the second. Waiting for the eviction from cons and bomb threats.

Blogger bob k. mando June 14, 2015 1:36 PM  

10. Rick Caird June 14, 2015 6:51 AM
It is evil. I feel the same way when this side does it too.



a - we don't give a flying fuck about your precious "feeeeeeeeeeeeelwwwwwwwwwwwwings"

b - you're welcome to join the side which accuses us of violating "unwritten rules" and "civilized standards of behavior".



10. Rick Caird June 14, 2015 6:51 AM
These politically correct wars on individual have to stop.


why'nt you go tell the Chekist that these things have to stop, see what he has to say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RQVSHfuPCQ



26. Jason Rennie June 14, 2015 7:48 AM
I don't like doing business with ... loose canons.



oh ho! Roman Catholic, are we? haven't any time for those heterodox Protestants, eh?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/canon

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cannon?s=t



84. Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 14, 2015 11:54 AM
Someone says that if Tor fires Gallo, et al, it might cost them a severance package, too bad.



that's the point of a forced resignation. no severance, no unemployment.

you can accomplish the same thing by firing "for cause", but then you have to go through the hassle of defending that your "for cause" firing was actually legitimate to the local .gov unemployment office.

in / voluntary resignations short circuit the arbitration process by being a prima facie admission of "for cause" or asserting that the employee no longer wanted to work there.


Bayou Renaissance Man
because the company's margins are not good. It's said to have bet its shirt on a recent contract with John Scalzi, and allegedly doesn't have that much liquid capital left to play with.



if true ...

IF

then that puts paid to all of the idiotic SJWhorerrior blathering about it being *us* who didn't understand the economics of publishing.

it also comes very near to proving Vox wrong about it being a good contract for Scalzi. Scalzi not being able to collect advances from a publishing house which gets liquidated ....

Anonymous fish June 14, 2015 1:36 PM  

Threats reported to the FBI? What threats did I miss the threats?

Badthink! A capital crime if I'm not mistaken.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 1:37 PM  

Guys, I know you have your little Israeli-Arab, Jew-Muslim conflict and all, but let's keep two important things in mind:

1) The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
2) The real enemy is Tor Books.

We can settle little things like who has the true and proper claim to Jerusalem once these more important things are dealt with. Say what you will about Tor Books, but they are one of the few things on which Jews, Muslims, and Christians can all agree.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 14, 2015 1:41 PM  

1) The enemy of my enemy is my friend Did you see the science article that found my enemy is my dog's enemy? They need to watch out for my dachsi-mix he's fierce when riled. I can't get him to type on the keyboard.

My cat on the other hand, she will use the keyboard, but there's no way in hell I could convince her to write a letter. She should be an honorary VFM. She just doesn't care.

Blogger Jason June 14, 2015 1:45 PM  

How exactly is sending a few emails in response to being called a nazi a "threat"?

Blogger Jourdan June 14, 2015 1:46 PM  

@nikis-knight - Excellent email, sir

@pdwalker - Bravo, my good man. I live overseas for extended periods of time and people in the U.S. simply don't understand that outside of the Anglo nations the world is in deep, deep despair.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 14, 2015 1:47 PM  

"What do you think that is, exactly?"

Obviously a Jewish state posessing the territory it now possesses.

Yeah I will no longer comment, but when you are far closer to your ideal goal than the enemy is, when the current situation is far more injurious (does that word exist?) to the other side, of course you laying down your weapons would lead to your expulsion, while him laying down his wouldn't because it already happened in the past.

I hope this doesn't count as further derailment, just a clarification.

Anonymous Concerned Citizen June 14, 2015 2:07 PM  

@VD:

This is true. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I expect people to disagree with me; I expect most people to be unable to even fully understand me. I didn't choose conflict with Patrick Nielsen Hayden or Irene Gallo or John Scalzi. They chose conflict with me because they don't believe I have a right to my opinion and they actively sought to marginalize and silence me.

Anyhow, Concerned Citizen, I'm pleased to have you with us on this one issue, even if you happen to oppose us on many of the rest. I always welcome a civilized opponent.

Me:

Thank you. Among many reasons I'm in this fight is that I DO NOT want to live in a world where everyone believes exactly as I do. For one, what I believe may well be wrong, and the only way I might learn otherwise is by civilized argument with those who disagree with me. SJWs want to disenfranchise every contrarian opinion out there. I'd rather embrace Viva La Muerte and the falanges than live under an eternal Cultural Revolution.

Blogger rcocean June 14, 2015 2:12 PM  

Not trying to get Gallo fired is simply encouraging the SJW's to continue their "take no prisoners" behavior. The only way to stop the SJW's from pressuring employers to fire people for "hate speech" is to retaliate and give them a taste of their own medicine. Anything else, is just empty posturing or concern trolling.

Blogger rcocean June 14, 2015 2:16 PM  

The Left boycotts businesses for supporting center-right pundits, artists, or shows. The Right doesn't, in fact they ignore politics and give their money to pundits, artists, and shows that are trying to destroy them. Guess who wins? Of course, most Right-wingers would rather lose then "insert noble sentiment" - so it seems like the status quo will continue.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A June 14, 2015 2:31 PM  

34. 360 June 14, 2015 8:49 AM

"@ Rick
These politically correct wars on individual have to stop."


We are simply using the Beniah principle (1 Chr. 11:22). We are taking the enemies weapon and using it against them, to their utter destruction. Seems fair to me seeing as they are out to destroy us. It's killed or be killed the see days.

Or in secular parlance: "Rule 4 until they choke on it."

Preparing communications for transmission ... .

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 14, 2015 2:35 PM  

@Anonymaus. No you didn't. There's nothing to report. If you had done so, you'd be the one answering hard questions. But you're lying. You didn't do anything. You're a Tor patsy just here to store up trouble and see if toy can't divert what's happening.

Anonymous LL minion 00002 June 14, 2015 3:02 PM  

To the commenter who said he reported this email campaign to the FBI, I simply say, "You're a fucking retard."

That is all.

Blogger jaericho (#107) June 14, 2015 3:12 PM  

"Thousands of emails" are the product of a botnet? wtf? Calling me a neo-nazi wasn't enough, now they have to insult my technical ability? If we were running a botnet they'd be getting more than "thousands of emails".

Honestly, that one made me smile.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 14, 2015 3:35 PM  

87. Earl BG Steve, that video... justifies war... I mean the kind of "dash the children upon the rocks" kind of war.

You saw that no one in the background had a problem with the gay parenting style. That's one of the reasons we fled the die verse city, you don't want to the only gay gun owner on the block when the pendulum swings back. You can send that video to gay marriage & adoption proponents.

Is it MONDAY morning here? A broke clock is right twice a day, a clock 10 hours fast never is.

Modern business has evolved to the point where the competition is fierce and the margins are, by necessity, razor-thin across

I have actually defended a place that didn't give a veteran's discount that I would enjoy by pointing out that many successful businesses only operate on a 4-6% profit margin, so a discount might not be possible.

Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 12:54 PM "You have what you want."What do you think that is, exactly?

He doesn't know its only the atheist jews that have swimming pools full of gold coins.


I referenced my LinkedIn account and gave my full address and a description of my house with a link to Google street view.

I might make up a junk email and say my name is Nate and include a picture of the gun I brag about on VoxDay, a glock with a mini bayonet on it. /jk Hey Nate the JPFO accepts gays also.

Anonymous Kel-Tec PF9 June 14, 2015 3:36 PM  

I'll be sending mine Monday afternoon (I work at a manual labor position, no smart phones or computers on company time). Would a picture of my big stack of Tor books be helpful?

OT about done with ATOB, very entertaining.

Blogger Jourdan June 14, 2015 3:46 PM  

Personally, I think we're being too easy on them.

I say we pull a Number Six on them

Anonymous Jack Amok June 14, 2015 3:49 PM  

Amen brother. It's hard to turn political enemies into allies, but they've certainly done a bang-up job.

Anyone with half a brain realizes that whatever his or her own political opinion is, there are millions of people out there who disagree with it. If political disagreement is grounds for social ostracism, re-education camps, and the destruction of one's livelihood, then all of us are one turn of the political wheel away from disaster.

So it is that SJWs like Irene Gallo need to be punished - not for her political opinions, but for her insistence on making politics the central aspect of public interaction.

We can return to a better life when all the people who believed that crap about "the personal is the political" are shuffled off-stage.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 3:52 PM  

I'll be sending mine Monday afternoon (I work at a manual labor position, no smart phones or computers on company time). Would a picture of my big stack of Tor books be helpful?

Good. Without question. Glad to hear you're enjoying ATOB.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 14, 2015 4:33 PM  

So it is that SJWs like Irene Gallo need to be punished - not for her political opinions, but for her insistence on making politics the central aspect of public interaction.

Yes. Those who fret about punishing her for her opinions are promoting a straw man, because that's not what's happening. It's standard business practice to censure or fire employees who embarrass the business in public (and that has nothing to do with "thought-policing"), but that would be an internal matter for Tor and wouldn't interest us much.

It's blown up on them because of what it reveals about a systemic bias in the industry and especially at Tor -- a bias that has cost people jobs and opportunities based on their opinions, and will continue to do so if the people in charge aren't called on it. No one cared if Tor was filled with SJWs (as a mainstream media corporation in the 21st century, of course it is!) as long as it looked like they were able to set their personal opinions aside in the cause of making a profit on good stories no matter who wrote them.

Gallo's post proves that was a vain hope -- not because of her opinion itself, which we could have guessed, but because her holding that opinion made her feel safe in attacking Tor authors and customers and showing no remorse afterwards. She made it clear that she thinks SJWs are so firmly in charge at Tor that they no longer have to pretend to put business or common sense ahead of ideology. The support from co-workers and the lack of reaction from higher-ups tends to confirm that.

Anonymous T June 14, 2015 4:37 PM  

While ATOB has been brought up, I read it for the second time a couple months ago to prepare for the next book. (write faster, dammit!)

It was even better the second time. Picked up on some threads I didn't the first go around.

Blogger Jourdan June 14, 2015 5:08 PM  

Is Gallo from Tarth?

Anyone know?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 14, 2015 5:12 PM  

SJWs in the U.S. today make the Red Guards of the Great Leap Forward look like pikers.

They fully understand the following.

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' "
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Blogger Franz Lionheart June 14, 2015 5:22 PM  

Anybody found the email address of the Holtzbrinck CEO? For a nice, fourth email in German to him along similar lines?

Blogger harry12 June 14, 2015 5:22 PM  

If your brother-in-law buys a new house...




...and asks you to help him remove the wheels, you might be a redneck.

( With thanks to Mr. Foxworthy )

Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 5:22 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 5:23 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B June 14, 2015 5:25 PM  

@ 155. Cail Corishev

Your comment is worth posting at least twice. Well articulated. Hopefully that case can be made to Tor/Macmi

Blogger Danby June 14, 2015 5:48 PM  

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

All these years I thought Carrol meant "who is to be master of the words", not "Which of us is to be master of the other".

fucking genius

Anonymous Rizzi June 14, 2015 6:22 PM  

Doesn't take these SJWs long to block you on Twitter, huh? Irene Gallo already blocked me. So happy to live in a bubble, that crowd.

I have noticed that the lot of them don't seem to be making a lot of Twitter comments lately.

Also, if they're thinking we're bots, why not call them? I'm guessing we can probably track down a phone number or two.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera June 14, 2015 6:32 PM  

Well, you should be happy to know that I have reported you lunatics to the FBI. Cyber threats are criminal activity.

Make sure you warn them about the Nazi robots. It's not too late- you could be a hero!

Blogger Achillea June 14, 2015 6:42 PM  

Is there some connection between Tor and Ace? Because looking at my shelves, I find at least three series (Brust's Vlad Taltos, Saberhagen's Dracula, and Daniels' Don Sebastian) in which some were published by Ace and some by Tor.

Anonymous Nathan June 14, 2015 7:02 PM  

Tom Doherty, before he founded Tor, worked for Ace. Other than that, no.

Blogger Lanrick June 14, 2015 7:13 PM  

Long time lurker, very seldom have commented. While I paraphrased a wee bit, 3 emails queued up and set to go in AM.

Blogger VD June 14, 2015 7:51 PM  

Long time lurker, very seldom have commented. While I paraphrased a wee bit, 3 emails queued up and set to go in AM.

Very good. I'm pleased to see the quiet readers make themselves known.

Blogger Groot June 14, 2015 7:59 PM  

Dear Sirs at Macmillan,

I am Groot.

Groot

----------------------------

Queued up for Monday. I am with you!

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 14, 2015 8:03 PM  

@Danby
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

All these years I thought Carrol meant "who is to be master of the words", not "Which of us is to be master of the other".

He who has mastery of the meanings of words has a leg up on mastering the other...

Blogger bob k. mando June 14, 2015 8:15 PM  

172. MidKnight (#138) June 14, 2015 8:03 PM
He who has mastery of the meanings of words has a leg up on mastering the other...



you needn't master word meanings at all ... so long as you master the person to whom you are speaking.

which is the 'secret' of SJWs. they have established the social convention that whenever someone throws an emotional tantrum, everyone else is to yield to the tantrum.

that's why everything for them revolves around 'taking offense' at something or other.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 14, 2015 8:26 PM  

@bob

Good point. I've seen up close and in person "if someone got upset or feels hurt you must apologize, because you must have done something wrong"

I was not so cleverly trying to make a point Orwell made much better years ago.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 14, 2015 8:28 PM  

> they have established the social convention that whenever someone throws an emotional tantrum, everyone else is to yield to the tantrum.

So basically they are not using junior high strategy, but one learned when 2 years old.

Never should have got rid of corporal punishment.

Blogger James Sullivan June 14, 2015 8:39 PM  

I suspect that, given the amount of lurkers and semi-lurkers(like myself) who have spoken up recently, the numbers of e-mails produced could be a metric fuckload.

With Vox Popoli's Alexa ranking being what it is, and nowhere near that number commenting on a daily basis, well, you're looking at a pretty large number of sympathetic folks.

Shirt gate was my trigger, and I can't adequately explain why, but it turned me from lurker to foot soldier. It's gratifying to see it happening more and more.

Blogger Jason June 14, 2015 8:46 PM  

I totally missed the send on Monday thing. I clearly need to update my reading comprehension algorithms. they are clearly buggy.

Blogger Lanrick June 14, 2015 8:56 PM  

@ 176. James Sullivan

For me, it was getting tired of being the villain due to genetics and being mentally stable. Or maybe I just did not get my white privilege card in the mail.

https://screen.yahoo.com/white-000000112.html

Blogger James Sullivan June 14, 2015 9:34 PM  

Lanrick

"Or maybe I just did not get my white privilege card in the mail. "

I wonder about that myself. My parents had diddly squat. I lived in a trailer park.

Privilege? Who? Where?

I'm done sitting around.

Blogger Jason June 14, 2015 10:20 PM  

It occurs to me too ask.

We all asked for confirmation of receipt of email. How many days till a follow up asking where the acknowledgement is?

Anonymous zen0 June 14, 2015 10:41 PM  

> We all asked for confirmation of receipt of email. How many days till a follow up asking where the acknowledgement is?

Skirmishers should not get too far ahead of the main body. Just pass on your information for analysis by HQ and wait for instructions.

Blogger TJR June 14, 2015 11:15 PM  

I don't think I have ever commented here before. I found this place because iirc Acidman led me to Bane, and Bane led me here. And I have lurked on and off since. I sent my 3 emails tonight because I won't have time in the morning and I didn't want them rushed. This is the first time I have ever engaged a business over a personal annoyance. As a rule I don't become engaged unless I am truly pissed off. I started off leaning toward the Sad Puppy side, the more I read the more rabid I became. I am hydrophobic as hell at this point. I won't be a puppet, but gesture at a target, and there is a good chance of it getting mauled.

Blogger Peter June 14, 2015 11:21 PM  

Hi, Vox. I've repeated your request for e-mails on my blog:

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2015/06/an-appeal-for-help-to-all-my-readers.html

Here's hoping for a great response from everyone! Wouldn't it be fun if we burned out the e-mail servers at Tor and Macmillan?

:-)

Blogger bob k. mando June 14, 2015 11:52 PM  

175. Not-So-Merry zen0 June 14, 2015 8:28 PM
So basically they are not using junior high strategy, but one learned when 2 years old.



i've been pointing out variations of this for years.

it's how i can say to Vox that he needn't preemptively defend something obvious, he can wait for the SJWhorerriors to attack it.

because their attacks will be so absurdly over the top and ridiculous that anyone not already fully enveloped into Cultural Marxism will recoil from it.

and then you festoon the ceiling with their entrails ...

Know. Your. Enemy.

it's also part of what i'm talking about when i say that people need to read up on the DSM-3 ( or previous ) definitions of the various neuro-deviancies.

when you boil it down, most psych pathologies appear ( to me ) to be merely describing people who have fixated on emotionally immature means of dealing with reality. what they do accomplish though, is effective social tricks to manipulating people into letting them get away with it.

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2015 12:01 AM  

speaking to the "two year old behavior", just look at this bimbo again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F23cn4zjZn0

this is exactly the behavior of a toddler. yelling, interrupting, pushing, entitled. and, when called on it or when facing retaliation to her physical assaults, she does what?

she turns on the water works.

because everyone is supposed to rush to her defense when she cries.

i do love how she escalated the situation with the cops to the point that they handcuffed and arrested her.

fucking hilarious.

Blogger Moor June 15, 2015 12:05 AM  

Add me to the chorus of lurkers who sent the emails.

Blogger Moor June 15, 2015 12:07 AM  

Add me to the chorus of lurkers who sent the emails.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 15, 2015 2:29 AM  

speaking to the "two year old behavior", just look at this bimbo again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F23cn4zjZn0

this is exactly the behavior of a toddler. yelling, interrupting, pushing, entitled. and, when called on it or when facing retaliation to her physical assaults, she does what?

she turns on the water works.


I see she hasn't lost her baby fat yet either.

Blogger John Wright June 15, 2015 2:55 AM  

"These politically correct wars on individual have to stop."

It will stop when the enemy is obliterated. Having the Sons of Light unilaterally disarm themselves of one weapon routinely used by the Sons of Darkness is not a way to stop a war, unless, by the word 'stop' you mean 'surrender preemptively'

Because the Sons of Darkness do not accept surrender.

Blogger John Wright June 15, 2015 3:03 AM  

"seems like a logic place to direct your lunacy"

Tell of more of this Logic Place. I would like to go there. A place full of logic?

Blogger Carlen June 15, 2015 4:07 AM  

Long time lurker here. Found this blog through comments on Baen's Bar and the brouhaha over SP2 last year.

I continue to read here because, while I am probably what you would call a midwit and I have been highly offended by various opinions posted here, I am learning. I am learning how not to be linoleum and stand up for issues I believe in and against those that offend my common sense. I am learning that believing in God is not the pervasive thought crime that I had thought it had become. I am learning that I can dislike the opinion and still like the person stating the opinion and even be friendly with them.

I will send my emails in a few hours. I refuse to be pigeon-holed for liking to read enjoyable books/short stories/essays/blogs because they were written by the "wrong" author.

Anonymous Wiccapundit June 15, 2015 5:42 AM  

VFM #121. Emails sent this a.m.

Anonymous ODG June 15, 2015 7:13 AM  

Three emails sent.

Anonymous Blue Meanie June 15, 2015 7:19 AM  

Three separate e-mails sent, each Cc'd to Vox.

Rock on.

Anonymous Paul June 15, 2015 7:19 AM  

I'm a left wing European.

The views of Tor / Irene sicken me, and their attempt to get right-wing material banned is nothing short of attempting to make right-wing politics a dirty word, by censoring it in its entirety.

I believe in my political ideologies - and I believe they're strong enough to be defended against those of the right-wing. It would take a coward - an idealogical coward; a left-wing hypocrite, to attempt to get the right-wing "banned".

I'll be honest, Vox - some of your views are down-right wrong, in my opinion.

But they are your views.

And I would, will, and do fight for your right to air them.

Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2015 7:20 AM  

Checking out the LinkedIn pages of the email recipients with your privacy settings low notifies the viewees that their pages were viewed. This is not bot behavior.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewsweber

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/rhonda-brown/9/199/11a

Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2015 7:21 AM  

Dear X,

I have been apprised at Vox Day's blog that certain individuals in upper management at Tor are technological ignoramuses. The idea that a "bot" of some sort is perpetrating the mass emails is absurd and easily falsifiable. A simple analysis of the emails themselves, or the email server logs, which could be cooked up in a few lines of code, would immediately disprove the assertion.

I am a real person and not a bot. I am a Jew who was born in the US and now reside in Israel. Calling Vox Day and his blog readers and followers "neo nazi" is offensive on its face.

The behavior of certain senior people at Tor Books, specifically Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Moshe Feder, and Irene Gallo is reprehensible and has been unrepentantly so for at least 10 years, when Mr. Nielsen Hayden first took offense at Mr. Day.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 15, 2015 7:44 AM  

It has come to my attention that a pernicious rumor that the complaints you have received due to the appalling and insulting unprofessional behavior of some of your more senior employees and contractors at Tor are actually the results of bots sending multiple emails rather than real people complaining about real grievances. I assure you; I am a real person, a real fan of science fiction and fantasy novels, and a past and--perhaps--future customer of the product that your imprint produces.

I find the comments made by numerous employees of your regarding the fans of science fiction in public spheres such as on Facebook or on their blogs to be completely out of line for what I'd expect from a respected and serious publisher hoping to court my business. In particular, I reference numerous insulting, denigrating, and dishonest attacks by Irene Gallo, Moshe Feder, Patrick Nielson Hayden, Teresa Nielson Hayden, and Tor author John Scalzi. One or two people I could understand; people are often outspoken about their political and social beliefs. Accept, no--but I can understand it. But the pattern that I see at Tor is sufficient to convince me that this is not the behavior of a few independently outspoken individuals, but rather a corporate culture that is truly toxic; contemptuous of fans and authors both unless they toe the radical progressive line. I don't know what kind of business is in the habit of frequently, deliberately, and without provocation insulting, name-calling, and out-grouping potential customers that one would expect that they would attempt to court. But I assure you; I am not interested in doing business with corporations that do not want my custom.

It is not my place nor my intention to tell you how this should be resolved, but certainly as long as the aforementioned individuals are retained and rewarded for their aberrant behavior with regards to their customers, I shall take that as a signal that Tor is not serious about my business, or the business of the majority of their customer base, and is instead only interested in courting the niche market of radical bigots. Such a signal will be interpreted by me, and by many others of similar mind, no doubt, that we can look elsewhere for our science fiction and fantasy. Luckily for us, the market is saturated with quality products, and your offerings are not essential.

Because of the issue referenced above, that a rumor that these complaints are not emails from real people, I respectfully request an acknowledgement that my email was received and read.

Thank you for your attention,

Joshua Dyal

Blogger Dexter June 15, 2015 7:47 AM  

Done.

Blogger Achillea June 15, 2015 8:37 AM  

Sent this morning (the copy to Mr. Doherty cc:d to VD)

" There’s a trope on the internet that goes something like ‘long time reader, first time poster.’ Well, today that’s me. I’ve been reading sci-fi since I was a little girl in the ‘70s, including what must be hundreds of Tor books since that company was founded in 1980. I don’t know the exact number, because I’ve bought and read thousands of F/SF books over the decades, and I’ve honestly never before paid much attention to which company published any given one of them.

Until now.

For the past three years (though I gather it’s been going on much longer), I’ve become increasingly aware of statements being made by various senior individuals at Tor Books openly expressing malice toward and contempt for large swathes of society – aka, the company’s customer base. Some of those swathes I belong to, some I don’t, but all of it left a bad taste in my mouth associated with Tor Books. This is not the kind of brand recognition a company should want, let alone allow its senior officers to create, and yet that’s exactly what Mr. Neilson Hayden, Mr. Feder, and Ms. Gallo have done. What’s more, they have done so repeatedly, with evident glee, and with apparently no concern that they’ll be called to task for their behavior.

Ms. Gallo’s recent diatribe on Facebook was the proverbial straw to break the camel’s back. Badmouthing your customers is hateful, childish, stupid, and worst of all in this context, unprofessional. But to do so to some of your company’s own writers takes it to a whole new level of dereliction. Semi-apologies of dubious sincerity won’t suffice to undo the damage, nor will pro-forma fig leaves that she was speaking purely as a private individual. However loudly or often Ms. Gallo or Tor Books may try to claim she doesn’t represent Tor’s/Macmillan’s views, the fact is she represents Tor itself – and by extension Macmillan.

As so long as she is employed by the company the above will continue to be the case, I am politely suggesting that her relationship with Tor be ended. I’m further suggesting that a close look be taken at whatever aspects of the management/culture at Tor enabled her unprofessional attitude to flourish unchecked until it ran so completely out of control.

In conclusion, I assure you I am a real person and a (potentially former at this point) customer. I am not a bot, and still less am I a misogynist, racist neo-Nazi as Ms. Gallo has seen fit to call me. I realize that you probably get a large volume of email even on a normal day, but as some of your senior management have been attempting to denigrate any and all expressions of concern on this matter as auto-mailings, I would appreciate a confirmation that this has been received and read. "

(signed with my actual name)

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