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Sunday, June 21, 2015

The Third Law in action

It's so terribly frustrating to SJWs when they can't find any scary threats to point-and-shriek about that they have to go and manufacture their own imaginary ones. Either these people are lying for effect or they are literally, clinically and medically insane.
Ann Somerville on June 20, 2015 at 10:29 pm said:
I really fear for Irene Gallo and Moshe Feder. GGaters have no boundaries, and it’s beginning to look as if the Puppies of either kind don’t either.

Matt Y on June 20, 2015 at 10:59 pm said:
It’s not their jobs I’m worried about. It’s that small portion of the hyper-reactionary crowd that flock to some of these assholes get obsessed with trying to personally cause damage or harass people as if it’s some sort of game. Like GGs obsession with Quinn, Anita, and so on. I don’t know if that is what Anne is talking about but I’ve thought about that, which is really depressing that it’s even a potential concern.

Stevie on June 20, 2015 at 11:39 pm said:
Thank you, Anne and Matt. I was obviously being far too privileged to take on board the real physical dangers confronting them; I will try to do better.

Laura Resnick on June 21, 2015 at 1:02 am said:
I, too, have started wondering about Irene Gallo’s physical safety. Is she being cyberstalked or receiving threatening messages? Will the vitriolic rhetoric against her escalate to a level where she’s at risk from doxxing and physical stalking?

The apologies she and Tor issued should have resolved the matter. (And I assume Tor and Macmillan have remained silent since then because those apologies eliminated any legal exposure the corporation might have been concerned about.)

The bizarre, inexplicable ESCALATION we have seen over Gallo since then indicates that the Puppies and whoever else has joined this anti-Gallo hysteria are functioning so far outside the boundaries of rational behavior that their anger is self-feeding and could keep escalating, especially if the ringleaders keep feeding it. Which does lead me to wonder if unstable individuals in the group will harass and endanger Gallo, in the way that people like Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, Briana Wu, and others have experienced in the past year or two.

I, too, have thought, oh, maybe I’m overreacting to what I’m seeing, maybe this is just Puppy Fatigue and not a realistic worry… But the very first person I mentioned this to, a few days ago, is probably my most level-headed anti-dramatic friend–and that person’s reaction was that this is a realistic concern and she’d been thinking about it, too. I see from the comments here that others were also thinking about it but thinking, “Oh, that’s probably just me.”

No, I guess it’s a bunch of people by now seeing some indicators in the Puppy mess of a pattern that we’ve already seen in GamerGate, and it’s alarming.

I’ve wondered much less about Moshe Feder, John Scalzi, or PNH’s safety than Gallo’s, partly because the angriest Puppies and boycotters seem so focused specifically on Gallo (and she’s the one whose apology, instead of being accepted by these people and ending the matter, has been reacted to with irrational escalations of rage), but also because they’re men. Yes, men also get doxxed, threatened, stalked, and harassed, of course, and these men could be in potential danger… but “movements” like this tend more toward stalking women than men. So I think that after Gallo, the next likeliest target is Teresa Nielsen Hayden. Plus, the Puppies have been heavily focused on her at times, and a number of them have already “unpersoned” her with nasty nicknames like the “Toad of Tor.”

Anyhow, nothing may come of it. But it seems like it’s something that probably many people are wondering about by now. Perhaps also at Tor.

Octavia on June 21, 2015 at 1:43 am said:
I agree. The vitriol of the puppies, especially against Irene Gallo seems to be spiraling completely out of control. Just like the narrative (comments instead of one comment with subsequent apology, attack against everyone and their dog, etc.).

Since some of the puppies/puppy-supporters own guns and a few have no problem with throwing all kinds of threats around, it does get really worrisome. Especially as none of the supposed “puppy-leaders” is even pretending to try and reign them in. Or call for some moderation. Instead they pour gasoline in the fire.

I hope Irene Gallo has a strong support network and people who can help her with the vitriol. I’m pretty sure that she’s receiving all kinds of threats at least on her work-email, maybe also on facebook.
First, the only person who has been doing any cyberstalking is Irene Gallo. She started following me on Twitter after this whole thing erupted and only stopped after I sent an email to the Compliance Officer at Macmillan informing them of her actions. And before anyone is stupid enough to point out the Facebook screenshot I posted, let me remind you that while I have a Facebook account, I have not utilized it in well over a year.

Second, Laura Resnick's feigned concern over nonexistent violence is ridiculous given her own fantasies about sexually attractive men.
Laura Resnick says:
August 17, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Whever I think “alpha male”… my daydream quickly becomes a Sweeney Todd nightmare in which I’m serving the remains to my dinner guests, disguised as some sort of heavy-seasoned stew beneath puff pastry, because I wound up killing said Alpha Male in sheer exasperation before sundown and need to get rid of the body….
Imagine her reaction if I said I daydreamed about killing and eating Tor employees. The fact is that no one in the Sad or Rabid Puppy camps wishes any physical harm to come to Irene Gallo, Moshe Feder, or Patrick Nielsen Hayden. No one has suggested or even hinted at the desirability of them being physically harmed in any way. We merely expect them to receive pink slips as a reasonable consequence of their unprofessional and abusive actions.

In any event, it should be obvious that it is not our side that contains the mentally unstable. Ergo the Third Law of the Social Justice Warrior: SJWs always project

UPDATE: Sweet Mendel, but these people are stupid.
Jim Henley on June 21, 2015 at 9:23 am said:
I stand foursquare against taking a baseball bat to anyone. But when it comes to defending the honor of one’s spouse, I have been dwelling on this:

Brad Torgersen’s wife, as everyone keeps telling us, is black. In VD’s attack on NK Jemison, he asserted that “genetics tells us not all of us are equally homo sapiens.” This says “Brad Torgersen’s wife is not fully human according to Science!” far more explicitly than, for instance, anything Moshe Feder said about the Tor boycott applies to either Wright or Lamplighter. But other than saying, generally, “I’m not Vox Day,” Brad Torgersen refuses to repudiate VD or criticize him in specific. The guy who, not just by Puppy logic but any commonsense reading, called his wife subhuman.

I have a hard time squaring that with any concept of “personal honor” that means anything.
He obviously hasn't been dwelling anywhere nearly hard enough. Brad understands what Jim quite clearly does not, which is that pointing out the INCONTROVERTIBLE GENETIC FACT that all of us are not equally Homo sapiens sapiens is not tantamount to calling his wife subhuman. My statement is not controversial nor any more debatable than "2+2=4" or "a fish is not a tiger". Nor does it say, “Brad Torgersen’s wife is not fully human according to Science!”

Anyone can be uninformed. But only an idiot attempts to inaccurately summarize things he does not understand rather than simply ask for clarification. Jim literally does not understand the plain English of what I wrote. And neither Brad Torgersen nor his wife are going to criticize me for that statement because they are not scientific ignoramuses.

You'd think the morons would learn to start looking before they leap. But they never do.

UPDATE 2: And even when they're explicitly told they're being morons, they STILL jump in:
Paul Weimer (@princejvstin) on June 21, 2015 at 2:59 pm said:
My “translation of Beale” seems to be on the fritz. He updated his post with a reply to Jim with an explanation that I don’t grok. As far as I can make it (and that’s not far) means that Nora is subhuman, but Brad’s wife is not, because I said so that’s why.

FungiFromYuggoth on June 21, 2015 at 3:27 pm said:
You’re missing Beale’s dodge – he’s not arguing that black people are sub human, just that the people-he-likes are more evolved than baseline human. He thinks he’s being clever, and it speaks ill of the intellect and character of anyone who is impressed by that dodge. Especially if they’ve read his entire tirade. This is the essence of Beale – to weasel and imply while building a half-assed trick, and then to point and laugh at the people who understand what he’s actually saying, trying to claim that he’s the truly smart one.
Keep in mind when reading this, that these are people who genuinely believe they are more intelligent and better educated than we are. Because science. Also, vaccines. I'm not claiming to be smarter than them, I'm publicly DEMONSTRATING it.

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Blogger James Dixon June 21, 2015 1:05 PM  

> Since some of the puppies/puppy-supporters own guns...

Some? Admittedly, there may be a few unfortunates who can't afford weapons or who live in misbegotten hellholes where they're forbidden to the general population, but...

Heck, I pull the Ilk average well down with only three.

Blogger Double E June 21, 2015 1:09 PM  

lol beat me to it James, I was just about to post the same thing.

Some? come on now.

And yes, you need to up your game. I thought I was slacking with only 11

Anonymous Strange Aeons June 21, 2015 1:09 PM  

"We're not liars...we're trans-honest" - SocJus

Blogger Double E June 21, 2015 1:11 PM  

Sorry, 12. I forgot about my newest acquisition.

Blogger Double E June 21, 2015 1:14 PM  

seriously, if 'fretting' were an Olympic sport, these guys would be on a gold medal run that puts Michael Phelps to shame.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 21, 2015 1:14 PM  

So a bunch of cat ladies and gammas got to talking and they're really concerned that the people they've been slandering and sneering at for decades might actually be dangerous because they started talking back instead of just taking it like good little victims form their betters. We're simply irrational because we don't accept our place in their hierarchy! We're ruining the community!!

Don't worry snowflakes - none of you are worth the effort of stalking or physically confronting. Pointing out your public lies and vitriol and quoting you in context and demanding professional behavior from your kind is sufficient It's amazing that you feel physically threatened by somebody publicly voicing badthinkz. Pathetic.

August is going t be fun.

Blogger Nikis-Knight June 21, 2015 1:15 PM  

Because if they talk about it enough, irrational worry is surely equivalent to actual harm.

Anonymous The other robot June 21, 2015 1:19 PM  

Imagine her reaction if I said I daydreamed about killing and eating Tor employees.

Uh oh. The next claim that will be made by his detractors is that Vox is a self-proclaimed cannibal, and that he daydreams about killing and eating Tor employees.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 21, 2015 1:25 PM  

I thought Toad of Tor was an official position in the company. Just like Teratoid of Tor.

Silly me.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 21, 2015 1:31 PM  

Where's "appeal to my imagination and personal fear and need to feel like the center of drama" on the big chart of logical fallacies? I assume it's just a special type of "appeal to emotion", but they use it so often, it would be great if it had its own name.

Blogger maniacprovost June 21, 2015 1:31 PM  

It's interesting that they get together, and one of them tentatively starts a lie, and the others escalate it until it becomes a full blown narrative of slander and deceit. They obviously know that they are making up a premeditated lie, and yet somehow they rationalize that it's ok. I guess they got it from their father.

Blogger maniacprovost June 21, 2015 1:32 PM  

... and I don't mean Mike.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 1:34 PM  

"it is not our side that contains the mentally unstable"

Have you read the purported manifesto of the Charleston church shooting?

"the only person who has been doing any cyberstalking is Irene Gallo"

She has a monopoly on this? How would a statement like that be proven?

I don't believe the suggestion was that Vox Day is the threat. I believe that it was suggested that any particular over-zealous follower of Vox might use methods such as cyberstalking.

So, if each and every anti-SJW militant (ASJWM) has reported to Vox that they are not indulging in cyberstalking (with proof of their actual online activity), then I'll concur that his refutation is not necessarily mere rhetoric.

Blogger James Sullivan June 21, 2015 1:34 PM  

Resnick makes me feel like I've been Unpersoned. It hurts. It really, really hurts.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 21, 2015 1:35 PM  

Retract and resign is my request, I remain steadfast in my requests, retract and resign.

Retract and resign.

As for harm, no one here is led by anyone, anyone who is led or not led could care less to inflict harm. We merely operate in the arena of ideas and discussion not physical, creepy, stalky harm.

Ms. Gallo is creeptastic stalky, a few banned trolls even my local my gammatude are official creeps.

Ideas like amusing ourselves with the absurdists that have now grown paranoid and quite frankly crazier than a few months ago. All the SJWs have are DISTRACTIONS nothing else but games and little distractions.

Coverage of the snowflakey, distractions of endless rhetoric, fear mongering must continue. Who the heck are these oddballz; Matt, Steve, Ann and Laura?

And why are they fearing us?

Outside from the label of paranoids' whom don't like baby puppies I just dont understand.

The SJW's-mc-cannot-run-a-smear-fear-campaing-are-nuts-n-paranoid.

SJW royal fail!

Anonymous Harsh June 21, 2015 1:37 PM  

Shut up, scooby.

Anonymous Case June 21, 2015 1:38 PM  

I think it's ridiculous to believe that any violence will come from the Hugo award conflict. But it's probably correct for the SJW's to be concerned about what will occur when the backlash against their leftist agenda genuinely divides the nation. That is, if any of them remain after being subjected to the effects of their multicultural utopia.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 21, 2015 1:39 PM  

What the heck, these creepy, stalky, strange, lecherous, misplaced, irrational people exist in this industry.

Our host and staffers are doing their best under such annoying distractions from reality.

Retract and Resign.

Blogger Salt June 21, 2015 1:40 PM  

Since some of the puppies/puppy-supporters ... a few have no problem with throwing all kinds of threats around

Yeah? Which ones? Or is that a generic "a few" because this idiot believes it has to be true?

Octavia might try and pull a Wu, conjuring up a tweet and forgetting which account she's posting from.

Blogger James Sullivan June 21, 2015 1:41 PM  

"It's interesting that they get together, and one of them tentatively starts a lie, and the others escalate it until it becomes a full blown narrative of slander and deceit. They obviously know that they are making up a premeditated lie, and yet somehow they rationalize that it's ok."


I picture girls at slumber party, talking themselves into a collective panic attack.

Girl 1: "I think I just heard a noise outside."

Girl 2: "Are you sure? Did you see anything?"

Girl 3: "It could be a burglar!"

Girl 1: "Or a rapist!"

Altogether: "OH MY GOD THERE'S A RAPIST OUTSIDE!!!!!!"

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 21, 2015 1:41 PM  

This is an excellent example of the formation of female mass hysteria.

Anonymous Harsh June 21, 2015 1:42 PM  

Their side knows we are right so they have to disqualify and slander. They make things up because the truth proves that they are liars and idiots.

Blogger bearspaw June 21, 2015 1:42 PM  

Well, an accusation of being Hitler-like was sure to be followed by an accusation of being Dylan Roof-like. They really are demented.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 June 21, 2015 1:43 PM  

Laura Resnick harbors ultra violent fantasies that make me concerned for the people around her. Irene Gallo and Moshe Fedrer are a pestilence on their company. I don't wish harm on any of them, but they shouldn't be working in positions of power if they can't control their emotions and I think they all need serious psychological help.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 1:45 PM  

@Harsh

Please stay on topic. I asked Vox if I had permission to post again, and he granted it provided I don't make the same mistakes that led to my being banned the first time around. I'm not Scoobius, and you should either not respond to me, or (failing that) respond to the points I've contributed to the discussion.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes June 21, 2015 1:47 PM  

How do these delicate flowers survive in the big bad mean world?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 1:48 PM  

@bearspaw

I can give you some reasons why the general public would link you not only to Hitler but also to Roof. It may be rhetoric, but it resonates really quite well with people who had no idea prior to the Hugo issue or the Tor boycott mess that there was a culture war with such bitterly entrenched rivals.

Anonymous Alexander June 21, 2015 1:49 PM  

Of they thought we were half as monstrous as they claim, they would have been giving vox hugos for a decade in tribute. They wouldn't date leave their homes or go online, lest they trigger is to kill their entire families over a slight.

They lie. They project. And to cap it all off, their side owns history's gulags and reeducation camps.

Perhaps the greatest tragedy in the classical sense of the world is that though it is meet and right that we should resist their decay and right against the tyranny of the very caring... The reality that they cannot see is nothing we could - even in their own fevered fantasies- do to them remotely compares to the harm they have comitted upon themselves, and the consequences to be paid in full in His time.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 21, 2015 1:49 PM  

@Owen T. Oloren

When all the nuns at a particular convent set about meowing like cats in a phenomenon of mass hysteria, the prefect asked the local nobles to send in troops to beat them with rods until they stopped. They did not place a saucer of milk out for each one.

Lunatic propositions where somebody asserts you will do crazy things because they are a highly imaginative drama queen does not compel you to assert over and over again that you're really an OK person. It's the same trick as yelling "racist" ten years ago - get people on the defensive against some crazy charge. Start responding as you suggested and the next remark will be - look, they admit that it's likely so have to defend themselves.

They're lunatics who want to be the center of attention by making things up.

Anonymous DJeffry June 21, 2015 1:49 PM  

Vox: at one point you felt the need to explicitly tell some of your readers "this isn't The Following". So there's that...

Anonymous Harsh June 21, 2015 1:50 PM  

Okay, shut up, Owen. You're being your typical, spergy idiotic self.

Anonymous Nathan June 21, 2015 1:52 PM  

Interesting. Puppykickers get to make all sorts of threats like "I better not see Vox in Italy. I'd hate to spend the night in jail." (Paul something-or-other, aka Prince Jvstin) and they're worried about us...

Blogger Jim June 21, 2015 1:53 PM  

seem so focused specifically on Gallo (and she’s the one whose apology, instead of being accepted by these people and ending the matter, has been reacted to with irrational escalations of rage),

Ms. Resnick, although I can only speak for myself, allow me to apologize for any offense you or any other member of your sniveling rabbit warren felt for taking Gallo to the woodshed. In my zeal to hold Gallo accountable for her vicious slander, it was not my intent to cause you badfeels. That was merely a side effect on the way to hopefully causing a bit of introspection on your part.

I trust from your statement that this apology will be accepted, and you will no longer screech like a wounded harpy as we continue to push for Gallo's ouster from employment with Tor.

Blogger AmyJ June 21, 2015 1:55 PM  

I can't think of a more appropriate response to their pearl clutching - scratch that, neck roll fat clutching - hysteria than this

Anonymous Harsh June 21, 2015 1:56 PM  

Ms. Resnick, although I can only speak for myself, allow me to apologize for any offense you or any other member of your sniveling rabbit warren felt for taking Gallo to the woodshed.

From what I've read about Laura Resnick in the past few years, it seems apparent that she has some very serious mental-health issues. She should probably stop spending time online and focus on getting well.

Blogger VD June 21, 2015 1:59 PM  

Have you read the purported manifesto of the Charleston church shooting?

The mere fact that the guy was shooting people AT A CHURCH is sufficient to demonstrate he is not on our side.

"the only person who has been doing any cyberstalking is Irene Gallo" She has a monopoly on this? How would a statement like that be proven?

Stop sperging, Owen, or you'll just end up getting banned again. Do you have any evidence that anyone BESIDES Gallo has been cyberstalking? Gallo is the only person who is KNOWN to have been cyberstalking; the statement is close enough for casual conversation.

Blog posts are not legal affidavits. And if you're the sort of person whose criticism revolves around the technically improper use of "always" or "never" you're not intelligent enough to participate in the discourse here.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 June 21, 2015 2:01 PM  

They are pretty much begging Irene Gallo and Moshe Feder to conjure up some fake death threats, aren't they? By the by, when you use that tactic to go to war with your own customer base it doesn't work anyways. Just ask the video game "journalists". Gamers aren't dead, but the SJWs warrior/reporter caste who attacked them are on their way to all needing new careers.

And on the subject, who would even send a letter to Irene Gallo anyways? Better to send correspondence to her boss and their bosses and their bosses bosses. We want them all to know that we're done with Tor as long as she's still a part of it. Those are the decision makers, she's just a chump and a tool in the army of fascist thought police.

Blogger VD June 21, 2015 2:03 PM  

It may be rhetoric, but it resonates really quite well with people who had no idea prior to the Hugo issue or the Tor boycott mess that there was a culture war with such bitterly entrenched rivals.

No, it doesn't. It only resonates with the sort of idiots who think Republicans are Nazis.

Blogger Jack Aubrey June 21, 2015 2:04 PM  

They are as predictable as Asimov's robots, whose three laws were programmed into them.

1. An SJW may not tell the Truth or, through inaction, allow the Truth to be told.

2. An SJW must obey orders given it by the Hive Mind, and double down except where doing so would conflict with the First Law.

3. An SJW must protect its own existence by projecting its behavior on the Enemy and acting accordingly, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

Blogger Bro. Longtail June 21, 2015 2:04 PM  

Resnick's comments are so OTT they almost sound scripted. I don't for a second (just to be clear) think they're anything less than 100% accurate, but they're exactly what I would write if I were hired to be a mole for the Puppies. Her words affirm every negative, delusional and mildly psychotic trait that Vox has observed about social justice warriors.

Anonymous MadPiper June 21, 2015 2:06 PM  

"I can give you some reasons why the general public would link you not only to Hitler but also to Roof. It may be rhetoric, but it resonates really quite well with people who had no idea prior to the Hugo issue or the Tor boycott mess that there was a culture war with such bitterly entrenched rivals."

And here I thought the Rabid Puppies were actively clearing the enemy trenches. It looks to me it is the SJW crowd that is in a defensive position.

Anonymous Harsh June 21, 2015 2:08 PM  

They are pretty much begging Irene Gallo and Moshe Feder to conjure up some fake death threats, aren't they?

I'm sure they will fake death threats and probably quite soon. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to connect them to the Rabid Puppies/Ilk/GamerGate.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 21, 2015 2:11 PM  

Hi Salt, my Bro!

Word, Wu and Octavia don't understand camera or screenshots, of course they'd forget what, which, when and what they said any these phantom accounts.

Didn't we just watch one commenter here be added to the ban list because he (will lefay?) could not contain himself or control a basic keyboard?

Really, the fallout is more embarrassment to SJWs or transhonests'.

Blogger Dexter June 21, 2015 2:15 PM  

The apologies she and Tor issued should have resolved the matter.

The what now?

The "I'm sorry you racist nazis don't like being called racist nazis" non-apology?

What could that possibly have resolved?

Blogger Dexter June 21, 2015 2:16 PM  

And did Tor even apologize? I thought they said "our employees did that, so that's on them."

Blogger Rantor June 21, 2015 2:16 PM  

Hysterical lunacy. I fthat makes me sexist and ableist, so be it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 21, 2015 2:18 PM  

Imagine working at Tor these days with those unstable crazy crackpots? I certainly would be interested in hearing what is going on in a SJW environment under duress.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 21, 2015 2:24 PM  

Like Mz Resnick - BTW, wasn't she the one who sat around saying nothing while her father was pilloried by her SJW friends? Happy Father's Day, Mike. What's that line about a serpent's tooth? - anyway, back to the topic. like Mz Resnick, I too am wondering about Gallo's safety. This seems to be about the point in one of these affairs where the SJWs start doxxing themselves and fabricating threats against themselves. Sometimes they even beat themselves up a bit so they have "proof."

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 21, 2015 2:26 PM  

Hey, I request the SJWs consider this matter of salvation, now is the day of salvation, come to Jesus, run to the Lord, seek a Pastor or someone to help you, this gang of oddballs like the antiGG, Anti Game, anti puppy and general AntiVoxists are atheists at most or at least lacking in a moral compass. Look at the class of our host and the lack of couth on the other side.

Come on lurkers, open a bible to the book of John, get on your knees while reading it, pray it, read it 10 times if you have to, your day of the Freedom of Christ is here, now is the day of salvation. Ask the Lord for help...

Around here are the kind of folk, Ilk, pups, gamers want a future not your creepy, crazy SJW distractions.

I demand the truth.

I demand retractions/resignations regarding the lack of professionalism, creepiness and other antics (that are looking more and more mentally ill) from the other side.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 21, 2015 2:29 PM  

They are as predictable as Asimov's robots, whose three laws were programmed into them.

Well done Mr. Aubrey.

Anonymous Bz June 21, 2015 2:33 PM  

Me, I'm quite concerned for the safety of the coworkers of Irene Gallo, Moshe Feders and the Nielsen Haydens. These people do not mind vicious slander of their perceived enemies and associate with people with some very disturbing fantasies, like Laura Resnick and Samuel Delaney. From their public statements, they appear to lack boundaries for what they will do, not to mention lack control of how they behave in public.

If someone who is not working at Tor wins a Hugo, will the winner be safe or will these people take out their disappointment on the poor person or persons? Can Tor or MacMillan guarantee such safety? I think we deserve to know.

Blogger rcocean June 21, 2015 2:41 PM  

Projection is correct. Notice Gallo first action was to start cyberstalking Vox. Most of the violence in the USA comes from the Left but the MSM constantly yammers about almost non-existent KKK and Neo- Nazis. Reagan, Wallace, FDR, JFK, RFK, Truman and Ford were shot at by Liberals and Lefties.

Anonymous A Real Person June 21, 2015 2:41 PM  

You shameless people are hysteria-shaming.

Hereby consider yourselves unpersoned.

Anonymous Rolf June 21, 2015 2:44 PM  

When the leftists and SJWs complain about things "getting out of control," what they mean is "getting out of THEIR control," or going in a direction that is bad for them, personally. Which often involves chickens, roosting, and being homeward bound.

James, Double-E: yes, you definitely need to up your game. You don't have enough until you can arm the entire neighborhood with primary, spares, and back-ups, and have enough ammo that you'd make Burt Gummer proud. :-)

Blogger Rigel Kent June 21, 2015 2:50 PM  

The thing I find hilarious is that none of these morons has figured out what is meant when VD says not everybody is equally homo sapiens sapiens. I mean, it's not that hard to piece together, even for a part-neanderthal like myself.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 21, 2015 2:55 PM  

Normally when you see an SJW statement that makes you say, 'WTF?' It's safe to assume the SJWs are projecting.

However in this case I think its something I will call the Roof Effect.

For years they have been telling everyone foolish enough to listen them, that every right winger that owns a gun is only one triggering event away from a spree killing.

It was something to excite themselves and their friends over. And maybe it would help push Gun Control forward. But they didn't really believe it.

Up until now all spree killers have been Democrats.

In truthy-ness they still are. Dylann Roof appears to be an actual terrorist.

Regardless. The boogeyman they have been warning each other about since the Oklahoma City bombing has finally showed up. And they are completely freaked out over it.

The monster under the bed is real after all.

The fourth rule of SJWs is this: They are all drama queens.

Anonymous bw June 21, 2015 3:00 PM  

hysteria are functioning so far outside the boundaries of rational behavior that their anger is self-feeding and could keep escalating, especially if the ringleaders keep feeding it.

I had to post that again just for the hell of it. It's so beautiful.
Translation: why won't these people just lay down and leave us alone, as we call them and do to them whatever we will? They're Crazy and Dangerous!

She just described how the marxist revolution in the West has done it. Their very own methodology, and their "ringleaders" are filthy rich and have their hands on the controls of the money and info outlets and schools and entertainment business, etc.

Realize in this one insane and irrational projecting and lying sentence how these peeps have never, ever been challenged in any way. That's what it looks like when Propaganda runs one way for the sake of an agenda. Their confidence is completely manufactured and their ideology totally backstopped, even though irrational, unhistorical, and unnatural.

Rule #3 : ..ALWAYS PROJECTION stemming from Rule #1: ALWAYS LYING, to themselves first, and thus to others.

an accusation of being Dylan Roof-like

Well, they themselves are Loughner-like, after all.

Anonymous Stilicho June 21, 2015 3:03 PM  

I wonder how Jim Henley would react if someone explained to him that he is probably not as purely homo sapiens sapiens as Brad's wife (who also isn't pure HSS if I recall Brad's description of her antecedents)?

Blogger kh123 June 21, 2015 3:06 PM  

Maybe we can cryptically refer to White Zombie's bro-down anthem More Human Than Human.

Anonymous Stilicho June 21, 2015 3:06 PM  

Amusing side note: my first reaction upon reading the post title was to think of Asimov's three laws of robotics... but I'm not a "trufan" so I cannot fathom why that should have happened. Maybe PNH is right after all and I am a bot...

Anonymous Harsh June 21, 2015 3:08 PM  

You shameless people are hysteria-shaming.

Hereby consider yourselves unpersoned.


In that case, I will drink an unbeer. Maybe two.

Anonymous Mr Manson June 21, 2015 3:11 PM  

and Ford were shot at by Liberals and Lefties

And Ford one time by a single, female member of my psyop.
How fun is that?

Blogger Bateful Higot June 21, 2015 3:11 PM  

"I was obviously being far too privileged to take on board the real physical dangers confronting them; I will try to do better."

CRIKEY! A marvelous specimen of a gamma rabbit, that one! A purebred codependent by the look of 'im, What a rare treat! They're notoriously skittish, though. Keep your distance, mates, 'e may top 'imself, yet!

Blogger kh123 June 21, 2015 3:13 PM  

...Assuming they're old enough, where were these concerned tens of warriors after Columbine, if not fretting over "Natural Selection."

That's right, they were too busy blaming the firearms. That the girlfriend helped get. And was caught on film, firing said sawn-off. And laughing about it. And then testifying before congress about the need for stiffer gun regulation in exchange for a get-out-of-jail-free card.

I suppose setting up the latter took up their time as well.

Blogger Groot June 21, 2015 3:16 PM  

Guy in the Washroom: What the hell are you doing?
Fletcher: I'm kicking my ass! Do you mind?

Anonymous Minion #0172 June 21, 2015 3:20 PM  

My God, don't they know the Ilk prays daily for their continued good health and safety because they're the funnest moronic comedy show since the 4th season of "Married with Children"?

Seriously, I've had more fall-to-the-floor belly laughs in the few months since the Hugo nominations than in the past twenty years. Thanks, SJWs!

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 21, 2015 3:22 PM  

I'd worry about these people harming themselves a lot more than I'd worry about anyone else harming them.

If I cared enough to worry about them, which I don't

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 3:23 PM  

I, too, have thought, oh, maybe I’m overreacting to what I’m seeing, maybe this is just Puppy Fatigue and not a realistic worry… But the very first person I mentioned this to, a few days ago, is probably my most level-headed anti-dramatic friend–and that person’s reaction was that this is a realistic concern and she’d been thinking about it, too. I see from the comments here that others were also thinking about it but thinking, “Oh, that’s probably just me.”

That's either a load of bull, or these people are even more bat shit crazy than I thought.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 21, 2015 3:23 PM  

I'm sure the meme "SJW are paranoid delusional fanatics" would stick to them and if it does then there will be a house cleaning since they will lose their usefulness to the left

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 21, 2015 3:27 PM  

Scintan,

There's an old political saying that says that, no matter how cynical you think you are, whenever you find out the real story about any scandal, you find out you haven't been cynical enough.

SJW's are like that: It doesn't matter how batshit crazy you think they are, whenever you have any kind of conversation with one, you find out they're even batshit crazier than you thought possible.

Blogger James Dixon June 21, 2015 3:28 PM  

> So, if each and every anti-SJW militant (ASJWM) has reported to Vox that they are not indulging in cyberstalking (with proof of their actual online activity), then I'll concur that his refutation is not necessarily mere rhetoric.

Have you stopped beating your wife, Owen? If so, where's the proof?

> I can give you some reasons why the general public would link you not only to Hitler but also to Roof. I

I can give you some reasons the general public would consider you a homicidal maniac too. They would be just as unreasonable, but they would be just as real.

Blogger Bateful Higot June 21, 2015 3:30 PM  

@Scintan

We're talking about people whose entire worldview is based on feels and victimhood, wherein the most pathetic are sanctified and the most successful are vilified. Every form of suffering, even(especially?) the self-inflicted kind, qualifies one for greater status within the community.

As for your question... the answer is yes.

Anonymous grey enlightenment June 21, 2015 3:32 PM  

The public schools must be fostering this behavior, turning thousands of kids into future SJWs. I see no other explanation.

Blogger Groot June 21, 2015 3:34 PM  

I can't help but picture Owen talking in a nasal, aspie twang and appearing as a penguin, like Rhadamanthus in John C. Wright's The Golden Age (which I loved, John!).

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 3:39 PM  

SJW's are like that: It doesn't matter how batshit crazy you think they are, whenever you have any kind of conversation with one, you find out they're even batshit crazier than you thought possible.

and

We're talking about people whose entire worldview is based on feels and victimhood, wherein the most pathetic are sanctified and the most successful are vilified. Every form of suffering, even(especially?) the self-inflicted kind, qualifies one for greater status within the community.

I was referring specifically to the people in that exchange. Regarding the group as a whole,I know leftists/SJWs and just how bat shit crazy they tend to be all too well.

My comment really centered around Reznick's claim about her "most level-headed anti-dramatic friend". Reznick's either completely full of shit (most likely), or she surrounds herself with the most insane drama queens on the planet (slightly less likely).

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) June 21, 2015 3:46 PM  

I really fear for Irene Gallo and Moshe Feder. GGaters have no boundaries, and it’s beginning to look as if the Puppies of either kind don’t either.

I may have had a fleeting thought about them while sipping my morning coffee. Or maybe it was just noise. I don't remember. In any event, someone should probably call the police, just to be safe.

/s

Blogger Cail Corishev June 21, 2015 3:47 PM  

This is one part standard SJW signalling and one part setting the stage so that when there's a death threat (fake or real, doesn't matter), they can say they told you so.

But I think a third part, from all the back and forth, is each of them trying to get another to fake one. They're not all entirely stupid, so they know how many noose, rape, and other such hoaxes have been busted lately. The hoaxers never pay much of a price because they have the media and establishment on their side, but they do get some egg on their faces. And SJWs know how unreliable their friends are when they fail. So none of them wants to be the one to go out on that limb and fake a threat; he just wants the others to know that he'll be behind them if they do it.

Blogger camperbot June 21, 2015 3:51 PM  

Uneducated VFM here. What is the Second Law?

Anonymous Amok Time June 21, 2015 4:10 PM  

can't publish!!!

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 4:11 PM  

Uneducated VFM here. What is the Second Law?

SJWs always double-down.

Blogger Jim June 21, 2015 4:12 PM  

This says “Brad Torgersen’s wife is not fully human according to Science!” far more explicitly than, for instance, anything Moshe Feder said about the Tor boycott applies to either Wright or Lamplighter.

Aside from everything else wrong with it, I said it before, and it bears repeating, when your morality is determined by Science!, it is very important that Science! says the right things.

- Jim Not Henley

Anonymous Steve June 21, 2015 4:22 PM  

Bateful Higot - We're talking about people whose entire worldview is based on feels and victimhood, wherein the most pathetic are sanctified and the most successful are vilified.

their voice had become a long, sustained whine, the megaphone of failure, like the sound of an oriental bazaar where leprous beggars, of spirit or matter, compete for attention by displaying their sores. - Ayn Rand.

Blogger Salt June 21, 2015 4:26 PM  

The public schools must be fostering this behavior, turning thousands of kids into future SJWs. I see no other explanation

What are the ages of the most vocal SJWs? Given the predominance of doctor prescribed pharmaceuticals and the behavior of these people, I really do hope they stay on their meds.

Blogger Groot June 21, 2015 4:51 PM  

It's not so much their age, as whether they ever had to go into the real world. Kids coming out of school and getting a job naturally learn what idiots their teachers and professors were. The most conservative cohort now is the oldest: that's right, the hippy, McGovernites who came of age in the 60s. But there exist very geographically concentrated, but very high density, areas that subsist off of government money, regulation or protection. Here there is created a bubble where the only clear political rule is that the answer to "Government?" is "Moar!" They come up with endless excuses why the tax money and regulatory protection should continue: We will protect you from racism, sexism, etc., etc. Publishing has for decades been right smack in the middle of the biggest bubble of all, the Upper East Side of NYC. Now as that stops being the case, the real world laughs at them, demands common courtesy and they quake and rage. It is such great fun to watch.

Anonymous BGS June 21, 2015 5:10 PM  

Heck, I pull the Ilk average well down with only three. You should tell your wife that you should be allowed to buy more, there are puffs out there with more than that, well at least before that boating accident.

Up until now all spree killers have been Democrats. There are pictures of him burning the US flag and the conservative treehouse reported he voted for Obama and had 1/4 of his facebook friends black

Of they thought we were half as monstrous as they claim, they would have been giving vox hugos for a decade in tribute.

"If you thought the ILK where as violent as moslems my love", a hugo award winning tale of cowardly rabbits afraid of their own shadow.

Blogger ray June 21, 2015 5:12 PM  

Oh yes, I'm a kind, caring, delicate Snowflake who has been bullying, censoring, threatening, defrauding, and disenfranchising the Evil White Male Patriarchs (et al.) for decade after decade. Now a few people have called me out on my malevolence and clearly are not going to put up with my ideo-political thuggism any more.

Therefore, I must scream louder that I AM THE VICTIM HERE! and that me and my poor, oppressed, at-risk, held-down, victimized cronies require even more 'laws' and cages and government officials to, well, ensure that Me and Mine can keep pounding on those we want to, while their hands are chained behind their backs and their mouths (overtly or covertly) shut. Won't Somebody rush in and help Poor US?

Pore pore powerless Laura and Ann and Octavia. Their Free Beatdown of the past half-century is coming to an end, and predictably they screech to maintain their Privilege to continue in their vile ways. By pretending they are Under Terrible Threat. Because it's always worked before.

What's really terrifying is that some of these monsters actually BELIEVE that they ARE oppressed victims. Because that's all they've been told all their lives.

Blogger Danby June 21, 2015 5:17 PM  

Danby's Law;
If I were what you say I am, you would never dare to say it.
Scuzzaman's codicil;
Were I what you say I am, you would not survive saying it.

Blogger ray June 21, 2015 5:21 PM  

"I stand foursquare against taking a baseball bat to anyone. But when it comes to defending the honor of one’s spouse, I have been dwelling on this"


Jim Henley doesn't WANT to 'take a baseball bat' to anyone, but golly, it looks like the fact that others won't do what he and his fellow-travelers demand just FORCES Jim to do it. Well to threaten it, in a typical passive-aggressive leftie way, at least. Because, um, his 'spouse is under threat'.

LOL!

Sure Big Jim, when you've find a store that'll sell you your groceries back, you can come over to my house first with your baseball bat. Don't bother knocking you come right on in and you can show The Grrls what a brave boy you really are.

Anonymous Agent J June 21, 2015 5:31 PM  

For a bunch of writers and editors, it strikes me as somewhat odd that the Gallo/et al. supporters don't really understand that words mean things. Their whole playbook consists of name-calling, followed by the "othered" person backing down, so that's what they've done here. But here, surprisingly to them, the "othered" persons aren't backing down, and only now do they wonder if their name-calling might provoke a reaction. If the Tor SJW crowd *really* thought the Puppies were all neo-Nazis, the very LAST thing they'd want to do is p*ss off neo-Nazis! I mean, if you saw somebody showing all kinds of crazy out on the street, how stupid would you have to be to go out of your way to set the person off? So that tells me they just threw out "neo-Nazi" because it was on p. 2 or whatever of the SJW Cookbook, not that they really thought about the meaning of the term before they used it. Wow, I sure want people like that editing MY prose. /sarc Honestly, they ought to be canned for incompetence, not for their hate speech.

Blogger Corvinus June 21, 2015 5:50 PM  

However in this case I think its something I will call the Roof Effect.

For years they have been telling everyone foolish enough to listen them, that every right winger that owns a gun is only one triggering event away from a spree killing.


After reading Roof's manifesto, it's clear to me that the blood of the nine slaughtered blacks is on the hands of the Cultural Marxists, as they are directly responsible for the conditions that Roof was ranting about, not the blacks themselves.

Millions of whites are thinking the same things Roof was, but one case of a single young white kid on a psychotropic drug that caused violence led to tragedy.

And it's because the SJWs are responsible for these conditions that makes them so sensitive about reactions like Roof's (and Breivik's in Norway) happening the way they do.

Blogger kh123 June 21, 2015 6:00 PM  

"I stand foursquare against taking a baseball bat to anyone. But when it comes to defending the honor of one’s spouse..."

Yes, the preferred pretend method of choice. They might even be able to imagine a blanket for good measure.

Thankfully, such vicious warriors would likely draw a blank if the terms maglite or insulated cable came up.

Anonymous Steve June 21, 2015 6:07 PM  

Ray - Fair play to Jim Henley.

Not many men could manage the rhetorical gymnastics to simultaneously white-knight for Mrs Torgersen while spitting on her husband.

But Jim "Slugger" Henley did. While implying he's the sort of chap whose nerd-rage might boil over into baseball bat assaults. Any day now. You'll see.

Don't make him angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.

Blogger murphaticlaw June 21, 2015 6:08 PM  

I've been thinking about a term to describe what occurs whenever I am told that my disgust with SJW BS doesn't exist and what's really going on is merely our hosts 'vendetta' with Scalzi.

How about voxplaining?

Anonymous Minion #0172 June 21, 2015 6:09 PM  

" If the Tor SJW crowd *really* thought the Puppies were all neo-Nazis, the very LAST thing they'd want to do is p*ss off neo-Nazis!"

Exactly. During the buildup to the Second Gulf War, a stranger struck up a conversation with me and a friend while we were having espresso in a coffee shop in San Francisco.. He was nice enough until the conversation turned to the impending conflict.

The stranger began spewing, in extremely vulgar language, that Dubya was just as bad a tyrant as Saddam, worse even, and wished multiple physical calamities upon the president.

I told him that he really didn't believe what he was saying and could prove it.

"How?" he asked, dumbfounded.

I replied, "Because you are loudly slandering the leader of the country to two complete strangers, wishing for his death, in a public space to two strangers who for all you know might be agents of the government. Do you really think you would do that in Baghdad?"

In reply, the leftie loudmouth just stood up and stomped out. Of course.

Blogger Eric June 21, 2015 6:34 PM  

"Thank you, Anne and Matt. I was obviously being far too privileged to take on board the real physical dangers confronting them; I will try to do better."

Who talks like this? These people are really quite mentally ill.

Anonymous Steve June 21, 2015 6:46 PM  

Minion 172 - one might be tempted to think that SJW's are all mouth and no trousers, like Jim Henley's advice to Chief Warrant Officer Torgersen that real men use baseball bats.

Ignore that temptation! It leads only to pain. Jim Henley is a badass. Like something out of a Quentin Tarantino movie.

Forget Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, and M. Bison from Street Fighter 2. Jim Henley is the real deal. Not many people know this, but the Steven Seagal film "Under Siege" was based on a true Jim Henley story. Except they had to tone down Jim Henley's raw, unapolagetic masculinity for the script, or it would never have gotten past the censors - and would probably have led to every woman watching the film getting accidentally pregnant.

Jim Henley knows seventeen ways to kill a man using only his pinkie. And five ways of making you shit yourself, using only his secret kung fu prostate-massage techniques.

If we don't want a roundhouse kick to the face, or embarrassingly soiled underpants, I think we'd better do what Jim Henley says.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 21, 2015 6:49 PM  

they are literally, clinically and medically insane
this has been my conclusion for a few months.
Honestly.

Hypnosis is powerful stuff and only a minority of people are mostly immune from it. Look at TV tropes and media tropes and voila... brainwashed en masse. There is a reason why Scientology exists.

SJWs are the net result of a massive brainwashing effort over the last 4-5 decades.

Anonymous Minion #0172 June 21, 2015 7:02 PM  

Steve, read your post and THEN clicked the link.

Yet again I have to wipe Diet Dr. Pepper off my flatscreen.

When will I ever learn?!

Anonymous The other robot June 21, 2015 7:08 PM  

Meanwhile, the UK government expects civilization to collapse in 2040, if nothing is done (and of course, nothing will be done.)

Blogger Groot June 21, 2015 7:09 PM  

Ah, thanks, Steve! Needed a LOL. We need a caption contest. I'll go:

"Am I out of Depends again?"

Blogger Daniel June 21, 2015 7:10 PM  

I am concerned for their safety.

No way they survive another day without a helmet.

I pledge $0.00000000001 for every demonstration of retardation they make.

I will buy Tor with the proceeds.

At this rate, I may be waiting another few hours.

Blogger Double E June 21, 2015 7:22 PM  

Minion 172 - one might be tempted to think that SJW's are all mouth and no trousers, like Jim Henley's advice to Chief Warrant Officer Torgersen that real men use baseball bats.

Ignore that temptation! It leads only to pain. Jim Henley is a badass. Like something out of a Quentin Tarantino movie.

Forget Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, and M. Bison from Street Fighter 2. Jim Henley is the real deal. Not many people know this, but the Steven Seagal film "Under Siege" was based on a true Jim Henley story. Except they had to tone down Jim Henley's raw, unapolagetic masculinity for the script, or it would never have gotten past the censors - and would probably have led to every woman watching the film getting accidentally pregnant.

Jim Henley knows seventeen ways to kill a man using only his pinkie. And five ways of making you shit yourself, using only his secret kung fu prostate-massage techniques.

If we don't want a roundhouse kick to the face, or embarrassingly soiled underpants, I think we'd better do what Jim Henley says.



You know, I have come across this puzzling behavior before, and i have been working on a theory. To people like the ilk, dread ilk, and VFMs, it seems puzzling why people ,so ill-equipped for actual physical confrontation (such as this jim henley) would make such threats and challenges, especially since they immediately retreat when the challenges are openly accepted.

What I have noticed is their shock when the challenge is accepted doesn't seem to be feigned. They really don't know what is going on. I think they are so far removed from the natural order of things, and normal human male behavior, that physical confrontation is not even a consideration to them. The challenge IS the confrontation. They are so passive aggressive and fradulent that they don't even realize that when a masculine man says "I challenge you to a fight" they are ready to actually physially fight. To the SJWs the words themselves and the feelings are truth. So a phyiscal altercation, instead of being the logical next step and effect of a challenge to a physical altercation, is a total non-sequitur for them and literally confuses them

"Fight? why does this savage want to physically fight?! I just used my words and now they want to actually fight?!"

Except their words were "we should fight".

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 7:31 PM  

Are they really so lazy that they can't take the time to do a simple Google search after they've been called out?

Blogger Nate June 21, 2015 7:48 PM  

for the record... these folks are wadding up their panties over imagined potential threats.

How many of them cared when folks on their side were talking about putting rabid puppies down?

Blogger Thucydides June 21, 2015 7:48 PM  

The most frightening thing is the SJW/Progressives truly cannot see where the real threat of violence comes from. The are so wrapped in their bubble that they truly believe that they will be in charge after their "revolution".

The reality is the more brutal and thuggish members of society will rush in to claim their prize in the power vacuum the SJW/Progressive revolution will create, and the SJW/Progressives will be the first up against the wall at that time (Just ask the Old Bolsheviks or Maximilien Robespierre). The Inner city youth gangs, "undocumented immigrants" and Islamic radicals will then fight over the corpses to see who will get the most loot.

Welcome to the Progressive future. I wonder where you would go then to get "social justice"?

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box June 21, 2015 7:53 PM  

He said that she said that they said that y'all said..derpherp. The typical whining, drama & bullshit of the socialist Prog that lays them bare as UN-enlightened, UN-inspired, and UN-original.
Most fatal diseases are "progressive".

Blogger kh123 June 21, 2015 7:54 PM  

"Jim Henley is a badass. Like something out of a Quentin Tarantino movie."

Make it so.

Blogger Thucydides June 21, 2015 8:10 PM  

@ Agent J

Don't forget these people also believe the "National Socialist German Worker's Party" is "right wing", despite the rather clear second word in the title...

Blogger Daniel June 21, 2015 8:14 PM  

Nate, if the sjw bastards cared about Tor or the Hugo or race or feminism, they would not keep egging us on to destroy the things to which they pay lip service.

They care about wiping us out. If they have to feed us Hugo and Tor Books and safe spaces and people of color and nontrans women and gas and anything else to kill us, they will feed us the whole enchilada.

It has not yet dawned on them that we aren't stopping with Tor...just like they thought we were done at 6 out of 5.

Blogger JCclimber June 21, 2015 8:16 PM  

If this whole brouhaha over SJWs in SciFi and Gaming should be bringing home a few truths about ourselves.

We're lazy.

Yep. Lazy. Or cowards. Or cowardly and lazy.

Because these people are pathetic. Their IQs are room temperature at best, but even more important, they have absolutely zero ability to think intelligently using the few IQ points that they do possess. So, the fact that they have been able to gather power in so many areas condemns us to one conclusion: we let them through laziness and cowardice.

Laugh in their face when they call you misogynist. Mock them when they say something stupid. Flay them with passion when they pull these stupid and unsupportable positions out in public. But do it without fear, calmly (yet showing your own passion).

I have been doing it for several months now. It is amazing how much it will increase your own popularity and credibility with the many, many neutral parties who have tacitly agreed to what the SJWs say because they haven't given it much thought, or they were afraid to say anything out of fear, or they knew something the SJWs say conflicts with reality but couldn't put their fingers on it.

Time to sack up. Time to take action, in your own small way. Not just here on the internet, but in person.

If I can do this in the heart of politically correct San Francisco area, you can do it where you are as well.

The war for original vision for America is lost. But you can set an example for your family, friends, and colleagues. And you might be surprised by the fringe benefits along the way.

Blogger rcocean June 21, 2015 8:17 PM  

The next step will be a phony threat to Gallo by a SJW. There always is. I'm thinking a fake "I'm going to rape you Gallo /s/ Vox Day" email or maybe a noose.

Blogger rcocean June 21, 2015 8:19 PM  

I don't think the SJW's don't understand VD's point, they just want to continue to believe he made an intolerable racists statement. And they know they can convince ignorant dumbos out there by repeating the same "Big Lie" over and over.

Anonymous KC9ZNR June 21, 2015 8:23 PM  

kh123... *slow clap*

Blogger kh123 June 21, 2015 8:27 PM  

Slower. Consider the subjects of the post.

Anonymous Teenage Jail June 21, 2015 8:33 PM  

@Double E

What I have noticed is their shock when the challenge is accepted doesn't seem to be feigned. They really don't know what is going on.

Your comment makes me think of that episode of the Simpsons where Homer starts challenging people to duels to get what he wants...until he runs into a guy who accepts the challenge.

Anonymous rienzi June 21, 2015 8:45 PM  

Ms. Resnick,

Ms. Gallo DID NOT apologize to the authors and readers of Tor's books. Her "apology" was not an "apology".

Look up the apology of John Cleese to Kevin Kline in "A Fish Called Wanda". That is an apology.

Thank you.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 8:46 PM  

Yep. Lazy. Or cowards. Or cowardly and lazy.

Yes and no. There's a laziness aspect to it for everyone, as fact-checking every single thing you hear, from something you're brought up thinking is trustworthy, is a bit of a fool's errand. It's laziness when people don't do any fact checking whatsoever, yes, but there's that social aspect of humanity where people assume others are like them, so the honest people gullibly believe the liars when they're sounding very emotional, because that's what the honest people would do.

It is cowardly to not speak up when you *know* something is wrong... but there's also a lot of people who keep thinking that there isn't people doing shady things in their neck of the neighborhood, internet neighborhood or otherwise. Some are certainly cowards, some are pragmatic and waiting for the best effect, and some more have the niggling feeling that something isn't right but isn't quite sure what it is.

So, again, yes and no.

I have been doing it for several months now. It is amazing how much it will increase your own popularity and credibility[...]

People like those who speak with confidence and clarity. Not everyone you speak to who react positively are doing it because they comprehend and agree silently. Regardless, it is important to speak out with the truth you know because we are putting the lie to rest, and saying something that finally makes sense.

It's just that some people are following simply because they are followers.

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 8:46 PM  

Gotta love File 770:

Vox apparently doesn't know anything about history, because nubians.

Blogger Joe A. June 21, 2015 8:49 PM  

If only the first rule about SJWs didn't eternally apply, then maybe they could at least once attempt an honest dialogue with Vox or any Puppy.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 8:50 PM  

@Anonymous
Pick a name, any name. It makes replying much easier.

No, you are publicly demonstrating that intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with morality or the blessings of civilization.

And who brought "morality" and "blessings of civilization" into this to begin with? Who assigned shame and degradation to those humans who happen to have some Homo sapiens neanderthalensis?

It was not us.

Why do you hate black people?

Anonymous Harsh June 21, 2015 8:51 PM  

It must be a terrible burden to be so smart and so prideful one must relentlessly stroke their own ego with endless rhetorical trickery, so desperate to try and prove one's vast moral superiority.

And yet you are doing exactly that, so either you are a liar or you must admit that it's an effective tactic.

Blogger Double E June 21, 2015 8:54 PM  

Your comment makes me think of that episode of the Simpsons where Homer starts challenging people to duels to get what he wants...until he runs into a guy who accepts the challenge.

Ah yes. I think that was the one where homer tried to escape by hiding behind a christmas tree while marge dragged it to the curb. The southern gentleman who had accepted his duel offered to carry it, or "at least let me shoot it into smaller pieces for you"

Haha good stuff.

Blogger Double E June 21, 2015 8:55 PM  

kh123,

Now THAT is art.

Anonymous rienzi June 21, 2015 8:57 PM  

@116: "No, you are publicly demonstrating that intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with morality or the blessings of civilization. You are showing the whole world that those with an IQ of about 80 are capable of envisioning a far more beautiful world, one that more closely emulates what God intended for us."


You need to get out more. The denizens of the local Wally World fit that 80 IQ just about perfectly, and I don't think visions of cheesy curls constitute a far more beautiful world, nor do I think that 500# porkers riding in electric carts, swiping EBT cards is quite what God had in mind.

Anonymous Anonymous June 21, 2015 9:01 PM  

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Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 9:04 PM  

Not at all. I just hate watching fools condemn themselves.

So you spend most of your days reading your own writing, then, I take it. After all, the

are capable of envisioning a far more beautiful world, one that more closely emulates what God intended for us.

line is one of the biggest loads of horse shit anyone's ever written.

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Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 9:20 PM  

It would be interesting to have a random group of 1000 people read some selected pages here (including comments) and then answer a few questions on a Likert scale.

You could even choose your random group from a college setting to ensure that they're really comprehending what they read.

I'd speculate that a large majority of any such group would indeed come up with descriptors that include "racist", "right-wing", and yes... even "neo-Nazi".

The Nazi tag (as used most recently by Gallo) has nothing to do about left vs right, but has everything to do with elevating one group of humankind above another. The horrors of the Holocaust are not linked with socialism in the minds of ordinary citizens today... those horrors are linked with the idea of a master race which seeks to protect itself from other races identified as inferior.

If you really want to know why SJWs appear to try to thwart you (in whatever futile fashion they may use), it's likely because:

a) there are weirdos out there that indulge in ankle-biting against anybody that achieves some level of prominence
b) there are ordinary people out there that become horrified when they read what they perceive as "hate speech".

If you're worried about "a", then you've got valid reasons to think about defense, and you can certainly strike back when accosted.

If you're worried about "b", then most of the "us vs them" dialogue that goes on here is actually hurting your situation.

But... "You don't care" and "this is not a place for moderates - this is where iron sharpens iron".

But you do care, or there would only be a tiny bit of whining about SJWs, which is not the case.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 9:21 PM  

Perhaps, but it sure beats grown men trying to harass and intimidate women into compliance by doxing and notifying employers, while squealing like babies about how they are actually the ones being stalked, bullied, and terrorized.

I know, right? Those guys who are anti-Gamergate are pretty far out there.

Anonymous Nathan June 21, 2015 9:24 PM  

"You hide behind your keyboards acting all big and bad, while counting it as a score that you have managed to frighten some girl. It is the most pathetic and unmanly thing I have ever see in my life."

Isn't it? I condemned driving Jean Rabe out as editor of the SWFA Bulletin by the very same folks who defend Moshe Feder.

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 9:26 PM  

Perhaps, but it sure beats grown men trying to harass and intimidate women into compliance by doxing and notifying employers, while squealing like babies about how they are actually the ones being stalked, bullied, and terrorized.

Most of you wouldn't know a darn thing about what it means to be harassed and intimidated into silence. You hide behind your keyboards acting all big and bad, while counting it as a score that you have managed to frighten some girl. It is the most pathetic and unmanly thing I have ever see in my life.


This isn't even good trolling. You've gone from attacking one person to a general attack on people you've no clue about, while pretending to actually know what you're talking about.

You don't know squat. Pretty much everyone knows what it's like to be harassed and intimidated into silence, because it's happened to pretty much everyone at some point in their lives. In fact, anyone who escaped childhood without being harassed and intimidated into silence likely lived a very solitary life and never saw a school or public area.

So your faux outrage is, to borrow from the bard, sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

And the irony of an SJW crying about someone notifying employers is noted. I'm sure Tim Hunt would have appreciated it if he, as a man, hadn't been put through that same thing in the process of losing his job over his own personal comments.

Anonymous Anonymous June 21, 2015 9:29 PM  

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Anonymous Zippy June 21, 2015 9:29 PM  

Scalzi should be worried. After all, he's already admitted he's weaker than his teenage daughter and wife. So he's physically more vulnerable than the majority of women.

Bet he'd be easier to beat up than the Toad.

Anonymous The other robot June 21, 2015 9:31 PM  

No, you are publicly demonstrating that intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with morality or the blessings of civilization. You are showing the whole world that those with an IQ of about 80 are capable of envisioning a far more beautiful world, one that more closely emulates what God intended for us.

You mean, like the murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 9:32 PM  

@Owen T. Oloren
It would be interesting to have a random group of 1000 people read some selected pages here (including comments)

Yeah, selected by whom? Careful selection of anything can easily make it misleading... which is what a lot of people do.

You could even choose your random group from a college setting to ensure that they're really comprehending what they read.
random group from a college
comprehending what they read

Pffffft, aaaaahahaha, that's a good one.

If you really want to know why SJWs appear to try to thwart you[...]

No, I don't. That is, I don't need someone to explain to me, and I didn't "really want to know".

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 9:32 PM  

So in the case of Tim Hunt, was it a matter of SJWs who hounded and harassed the man until he finally had to leave his job?

Or was it a case of ordinary people being shocked when they heard what they perceived as hateful and ignorant thinking?

Is there evidence that SJWs were attacking this man relentlessly over the years?

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 9:32 PM  

VD cares, what he cares about however, is promoting contempt and bitterness in the world

Oddly enough, that's exactly what you're doing with your posts here. How's that hypocrisy tasting?

Blogger James Sullivan June 21, 2015 9:34 PM  

Double E:

"The challenge IS the confrontation. "

That right there is a revelation to me. So many aspects of SJW behavior just became clear to me.

Well done.

Anonymous Minion #0172 June 21, 2015 9:34 PM  

Anon, Ms. Gallo is not a girl. She is, presumably, a woman and responsible for her actions.

Anonymous Roundtine June 21, 2015 9:35 PM  

You could even choose your random group from a college setting to ensure that they're really comprehending what they read.

Lollolollololz. .

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 9:35 PM  

@Student in Blue
Choose different sets of pages. Some respondents get the more controversial pages, and some respondents get more mundane pages. The comments alone usually skew most discussions into the realm of "wrongthink".

And you don't care why SJWs suddenly appear and want to challenge you on your ideas? You really don't want to know? What about knowing your enemy?

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 9:37 PM  


Or was it a case of ordinary people being shocked when they heard what they perceived as hateful and ignorant thinking?


You mean in the same manner as the case of Irene Gallo?


Way to make yourself look like a clown. I'm not sure anyone could have done it better.

Anonymous Roundtine June 21, 2015 9:40 PM  

So in the case of Tim Hunt, was it a matter of SJWs who hounded and harassed the man until he finally had to leave his job?

Or was it a case of ordinary people being shocked when they heard what they perceived as hateful and ignorant thinking?


It was the case of SJWs hounding and harassing his superiors and peers, and they panicked. Gavin McInnes noted that comedians know to wait for this to blow over, one guys said wait 3 weeks, Bill Burr said wait three days. Many people don't understand this blows over, so they panic when a raging mass of mentally ill narcissists attack them.

And yes, SJWs are mentally ill. Diagnosed With Liberalism

Anonymous the bandit June 21, 2015 9:42 PM  

You hide behind your keyboards acting all big and bad

This is a particularly ironic accusation by someone who can't even brave the anonymity of a handle, despite the rules of the blog, while coming in here, sowing lies and hate.

Anonymous Roundtine June 21, 2015 9:42 PM  

And you don't care why SJWs suddenly appear and want to challenge you on your ideas? You really don't want to know? What about knowing your enemy?
“The father sets down the law. When he is not there, a sense of anxiety takes root and that leads to outwardly directed hostility. Soon you are looking to the outside world to show you what the limits are. You’re ‘acting out’ and hoping society will control you. The desire for paternal law becomes pathologized.” Amier calls PC violations “narcissistic injury” and adds that this fear-driven petulance becomes especially dangerous when the ideology becomes someone’s entire identity. “When that happens,” he says, “it’s as though rationality and socialized relationships dissolve. The ideologically identified person can often become wildly reckless because they seek the obscuring of accountability with increased pathos.” Diagnosed With Liberalism

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 9:43 PM  

@Scintan

Yes, in the case of Irene Gallo, a large number of people created a manufactured rage. Her comments were obviously about Vox personally, and perhaps a few others, but certainly were not meant for you.

She was too vague though, and in her apology it wasn't clear that she was sorry for much.

It's not hatespeech or wrongthink when you direct it at individuals who deserve the tarring and feathering, but becomes such when you direct it at large groups. And the way I read it, she was talking about a "small number".

Anonymous The other robot June 21, 2015 9:46 PM  

It's not hatespeech or wrongthink when you direct it at individuals who deserve the tarring and feathering, but becomes such when you direct it at large groups. And the way I read it, she was talking about a "small number".

You haven't established that Vox deserves tarring and feathering, but we will remember the sentiment.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 21, 2015 9:47 PM  

@VD: "No, it doesn't. It only resonates with the sort of idiots who think Republicans are Nazis."

This. You can't even get Republicans to march in the same direction...

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 9:48 PM  

@Roundtine

They harassed Tim Hunt after his comments about women crying in the lab. Did they harass him prior to that?

SJWs would appear to me to be a small group of weirdos or a large group of people who are truly offended by the fundamental principles behind any hateful speech directed to a large group of people.

If it's the latter, then is it in fact the SJWs attacking, or are they in fact attempting to make a correction in what society permits?

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 9:48 PM  

@Owen T. Oloren
Choose different sets of pages[...]

It was a rhetorical question.

This one is not: by comments, are you referring to just VD or all of the posters?

And you don't care why SJWs suddenly appear and want to challenge you on your ideas? You really don't want to know? What about knowing your enemy?

For one, "We don't care."

For another, I didn't need another crackpot theory when mine's been working flawlessly so far.

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 9:48 PM  

It's not hatespeech or wrongthink when you direct it at individuals who deserve the tarring and feathering

Yes, it is, by the very definition.

From Thefreedictionary.com:

Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social group or a member of such a group.

I find it amusing as all hell to see you trying to go there, though. You're really demonstrating the complete lack of anything resembling a moral compass. I'm also amused at your apparent lack of knowledge regarding the first rule of holes, but that's just a secondary item.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 21, 2015 9:50 PM  

"And you don't care why SJWs suddenly appear and want to challenge you on your ideas? You really don't want to know? What about knowing your enemy?"

We know enough about them already, painfully so, enough to know we don't care.......don't need to care...they're that lame and pathetic......blech....

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 9:52 PM  

@Student in Blue

Comments including the people who post here as well as Vox's initial discussion piece.

Anonymous Nathan June 21, 2015 9:52 PM  

Owen, "Movie" Bob Chipman's "No bad tactics, only bad targets" directly contradicts your claim, as does Sam Biddle's "Bring back bullying." SJW outrage is dependent on whose ox is getting gored, as the same people who rally around Irene Gallo bayed for Jean Rabe's job.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 9:53 PM  

We don't care, we don't care, we don't care.

Hundreds of comments daily speak to the contrary.

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 9:56 PM  

We don't care, we don't care, we don't care.

Hundreds of comments daily speak to the contrary.


Your lack of understanding regarding "We don't care", deliberate or not, is duly noted.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2015 9:57 PM  

Yes, in the case of Irene Gallo, a large number of people created a manufactured rage. Her comments were obviously about Vox personally, and perhaps a few others, but certainly were not meant for you.

Hmmmm, I wonder if there's some way to learn who they were directed at? Some mysterious method like, say, reading what she wrote:

There are two extreme right-wing to neo-Nazi groups called the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies respectively...they are unrepentantly racist, misogynistic, and homophobic

You're right; when she referred to "groups" and named those groups the "Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies respectively", what she actually meant in her heart was Vox Day, and it's obviously our fault for not realizing that.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 9:58 PM  

@Scintan

I care little of what you've duly noted. I certainly won't visit a blog daily and rail against you, nor give you an "unpersoning" term of derision.

Anonymous Roundtine June 21, 2015 9:58 PM  

SJWs would appear to me to be a small group of weirdos or a large group of people who are truly offended by the fundamental principles behind any hateful speech directed to a large group of people.

If it's the latter, then is it in fact the SJWs attacking, or are they in fact attempting to make a correction in what society permits?


They're deranged psychos who get people fired from their jobs for saying things that, AT WORST, would require a person to be called into the office and told not to make that type of remark. They're a relatively small group of weirdos who are able to intimidate large amounts of people. Chairman Mao only had a small group of weirdos on his side and he turned the entire society upside down during the Cultural Revolution, using similar tactics as SJWs.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 10:00 PM  

@Malcolm

You left out the part where she said "a noisy few"

And that's the crux.

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 10:01 PM  

I care little of what you've duly noted. I certainly won't visit a blog daily and rail against you, nor give you an "unpersoning" term of derision.

You came here spouting crap and we're handing you your ass. I don't care if you try to unperson me. I don't care if you rail against me. I don't care if you visit a blog that I don't write.

See.....


I don't care.

Blogger Ragin' Dave June 21, 2015 10:05 PM  

It's this that just makes me want all of them penniless and crying in the gutters:

"The bizarre, inexplicable ESCALATION we have seen over Gallo "

So apparently getting upset over being slandered, attacked, called a nazi, and every other vile sort of assault the SJWs could dream up is "bizarre" and "inexplicable".

They don't get it. They won't get it, until we make it so painful to them that even if they're still the clueless moronic dimwits we know them to be they are at least smart enough to never attack us again.

I don't think they have the mental capabilities to understand just why we're upset. They don't have the brain power to figure out just why we're tired of their actions. They really are that dumb. But even a flatworm turns away from pain.

Make. Them. Hurt.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 10:05 PM  

@Roundtine
If they're deranged psychos who get people fired, then was Tim Hunt under attack previously?

If not, could it not be possible in fact that a large segment of society could not stomach his remarks, and thus the pressure for him to fix the situation was intense due to the large numbers of people speaking out?

If it's a small group frothing at the mouth, I'd ignore them. If it's virtually everybody in the community, including those that I respect, then I'd have to consider very carefully.

I don't know who expressed their concern to Mr. Hunt and his supervisors, or how many of them there were. He certainly didn't have to quit his job to satisfy me.

Blogger kh123 June 21, 2015 10:06 PM  

...The Ramones. How To Train Your Overseas Animator. And if I cared enough to remember, whatever navel gazing American authors were on Scoob's book club list...

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2015 10:07 PM  

You left out the part where she said "a noisy few"...

No, it means she's an idiot who thinks the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies are only a noisy few when in fact they're quite large.

Basically, what I'm saying is you very well know that, you're an SJW, and you're lying.

Or you're an idiot, or at the very least you're following C.S. Lewis's old adage (paraphrased): The trouble with people who try to make themselves stupider than they really are is that very often they actually succeed.

It doesn't look good for you either way, dude.

Blogger Ragin' Dave June 21, 2015 10:07 PM  

"Apparently VD found the experience of polite conversation so intimidating, he doxed me and accused me of being a stalker. "

Horse-shit. Vox doesn't dox. And you're a liar. Rule one, folks! SJWs always lie!

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 10:09 PM  

@Raging Dave

What you need to understand is that Gallo never called you a Nazi or a racist. She was speaking about Vox.

That's why she gave a non-apology... she clarified that she used too broad of a brush and had no idea that she was including you. She won't apologize to Vox because she feels he's earned the title. She didn't apologize to you because she wasn't speaking to you.

If I call out "hey moron" in a crowded mall, and you look over at me, do I need to apologize to you personally, or is it sufficient to point in the other direction and say "I was talking to him"?

I would have handled it differently if I were Gallo, but she wasn't talking about you.

Blogger maniacprovost June 21, 2015 10:12 PM  

Her comments were obviously about Vox personally, and perhaps a few others, but certainly were not meant for you.

Her comments were obviously about the Hugo nominees and all of those who voted for them.

in her apology it wasn't clear that she was sorry for much.

It was clear that she grudgingly issued a disclaimer, and made it as unapologetic as possible.

It's not hatespeech or wrongthink

We are the side that does not believe in punishing people for hatespeech or wrongthink. In fact, I'm pretty sure her racist misogynist neo-nazi comment was an attempt to police non-existent hatespeech. So that is completely besides the point.

the way I read it, she was talking about a "small number".

Yes, they believe we are small in number.

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 10:13 PM  

What you need to understand is that Gallo never called you a Nazi or a racist. She was speaking about Vox.

That's why she gave a non-apology... she clarified that she used too broad of a brush and had no idea that she was including you. She won't apologize to Vox because she feels he's earned the title. She didn't apologize to you because she wasn't speaking to you.

If I call out "hey moron" in a crowded mall, and you look over at me, do I need to apologize to you personally, or is it sufficient to point in the other direction and say "I was talking to him"?

I would have handled it differently if I were Gallo, but she wasn't talking about you.


And now you're just flat-out lying.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 10:14 PM  

@ Raging Dave

"They don't get it. They won't get it, until we make it so painful to them that even if they're still the clueless moronic dimwits we know them to be they are at least smart enough to never attack us again.

"I don't think they have the mental capabilities to understand just why we're upset. They don't have the brain power to figure out just why we're tired of their actions. They really are that dumb. But even a flatworm turns away from pain.

"Make. Them. Hurt."

This is the exact type of statement that makes an ordinary citizen take notice of this group. And be quite concerned about the hateful diatribes.

How do you mean to make us feel pain? Are you espousing violence?

What do you mean about yourself being so smart as compared to the rest of us? Are you superior?

That's the issue - hate-filled messages that leads ordinary people in society to try making a correction.

Add in a church shooter whose manifesto reads like a 3rd grade distorted version of content from this very blog, and people get worried.

Anonymous Nathan June 21, 2015 10:15 PM  

Anonymous, any common scold using shaming language, be it so ineptly as you, has forsaken polite conversation. Anyone who persists in posting at a site when they have received clear instruction not to is cyberstalking and engaging in harassment, potentially felonious in nature.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2015 10:16 PM  

This really, really isn't complicated:

Gallo specifically called out the Rabid and Sad Puppies.

Those two groups.

Then she said that THEY are a noisy few. No, she did not use the actual word "they". However, those who know how English works realize that, since she previously did not specify individuals IN those groups but instead named the entire groups, when you say that "they" are a noisy few you are referring to the same groups you previously pointed out.

Gallo was incorrect; we are not "few". And even if we were "few" some of us are leftists, some are female, and some are mixed race...including Vox Day.

Look, as much as it must be nice to pretend that Vox doesn't count because he's mean, the fact remains: Vox Day is clearly mixed race. You don't have to like it, but it's the truth.

Gallo was not being unclear: She was just being libelous. The only way to interpret her comments differently than this is to assume she was flat-out lying, which isn't interpreting her comments at all, and anyway makes her look even worse.

Of course, Owen knows this very well. But I thought it would be good to have this all written out anyway, to make it clear that we're not the ones blowing smoke out our ass here.

Anonymous Nathan June 21, 2015 10:18 PM  

"I would have handled it differently if I were Gallo, but she wasn't talking about you. "

Doesn't matter if she was or she wasn't. Most harassment and equal opportunity training says that the offense of the listener trumps the intent of the speaker. Her intent, be it from her lips, or mansplained by Feder or you, does not erase the offense taken by hundreds of science fiction fans.

Blogger Ragin' Dave June 21, 2015 10:20 PM  

Owen, this statement here is a flat out lie:

"What you need to understand is that Gallo never called you a Nazi or a racist. She was speaking about Vox."

That's bullshit, and you're a liar. Gallo spoke about a wide swath of people who don't share her particular viewpoint. Had she just addressed her lies and slander to Vox, none of this would be happening.

And you're "quite concerned about the hateful diatribe", are you? Too bad you weren't so concerned over the past three years as people have been attacked and slandered for daring to want a voice in the Hugos. Gallo is part of the people who called Corriea a racist, misogynist rape-apologist. She's part of the group who called a man married to a black woman a racist.

Tell me about hate-filled messages again? Oh, right, you're nothing but a lying concern troll who's trying to deflect the righteous anger that's coming your side's way. Piss off.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 10:22 PM  

@Owen T. Oloren
You left out the part where she said "a noisy few"
and from a different post,
And the way I read it, she was talking about a "small number".

She was referring to the Rabid Puppies as a whole being small in number. Not that only a few of them were bad.

I'm staring at the quote right now.

Comments including the people who post here as well as Vox's initial discussion piece.

Then you are practicing guilt by association.

Recall the initial charge, one that was never recanted, that Rabid Puppies are neo-nazi, unrepentantly racist, misogynistic, and homophobic. All of them. It was not said that 'some are okay, some are bad eggs', it's all of them.

You then tried to support the "neo-nazi" claim (that all Rabid Puppies are neo-nazis) by suggesting that random commenters could be found to be "neo-nazis" (and thus, all Rabid Puppies are neo-nazis) by college students.

If all commenters are Rabid Puppies... then you are a Rabid Puppy. And thus, according to Irene Gallo, a racist, misogynistic, homophobic neo-nazi.

Blogger Ragin' Dave June 21, 2015 10:22 PM  

"Are you really so foolish as to not even know the nature of the one you follow?"

Prove it, you gutless, pathetic lying sack of fecal matter. And I don't follow anyone. That's what all you lying SJW types do, and that's why you're all over here trying to pull people off target. You're projecting your own actions, yet again.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2015 10:23 PM  

I vote we stop responding to Owen and Anonymous. They're just lying now. Some of this stuff is quite clearly willful. This is just tiring and pointless.

Anonymous Roundtine June 21, 2015 10:23 PM  

If not, could it not be possible in fact that a large segment of society could not stomach his remarks, and thus the pressure for him to fix the situation was intense due to the large numbers of people speaking out?

If it's a small group frothing at the mouth, I'd ignore them. If it's virtually everybody in the community, including those that I respect, then I'd have to consider very carefully.


They're a small group of people, which is why more and more people ignore them and, quelle surprise, nothing happens. They move on after a couple of days. You are confused by the fact that they don't only attack Mr. Hunt, they will attack everyone around him with as much ferocity, if not more. If you paid attention to what happened in the Hugos, some progressive writers nominated by the Puppies were viciously attacked and driven to give up their awards. They were not attacked by the Puppies who nominated them, but by their supposed allies. You are certainly correct that people with some ideological allegiance to SJWs ideas are more vulnerable to vicious attacks because they might actually be successfully purged from the group, and there are more of those types of people in academia, but this doesn't mean the SJWs are large in number. If you think they are large in number, you are sheltering yourself in a very small echo chamber.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 10:24 PM  

Are you really so foolish as to not even know the nature of the one you follow?

Put up or shut up.

Show proof.

Also, choose a name, as sticking with purely "Anonymous" is against blog rules.

Blogger CM June 21, 2015 10:30 PM  

some progressive writers nominated by the Puppies were viciously attacked and driven to give up their awards. They were not attacked by the Puppies who nominated them, but by their supposed allies.

And will likely never be given another shot at a Hugo by the "Trufans" because Scalzi clearly deserves another Hugo.

Anonymous The other robot June 21, 2015 10:34 PM  

She was referring to the Rabid Puppies as a whole being small in number. Not that only a few of them were bad.

The following appears to be what she said:

There are two extreme right-wing to neo-nazi groups, called the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies respectively, that are calling for the end of social justice in science fiction and fantasy. They are unrepentantly racist, misogynist, and homophobic. A noisy few but they’ve been able to gather some Gamergate folks around them and elect a slate of bad-to-reprehensible works on this year’s Hugo ballot.

I would have to say that "a noisy few" refers to both the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies, and perhaps the Gamer Gaters she claims that the Sad and Rabid Puppies have gathered around them.

Of course, what her definition of "few" is is not clear. It would certainly seem to be a larger group than normally votes on the Hugo nominating process.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 10:35 PM  

He justifies it all by accusing them of being sub human, SJW, or feminists, or whatever other group he feels are unworthy of being treated as fully human.

>not actually providing evidence
>implying that's what actually happened, again without evidence
>implying that SJWs didn't set the rules of these engagements long, long ago

You're due next to argue that 'well if that's true, you should try to be above those kinds of things!'

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2015 10:36 PM  

VD frequently fights dirty and attempts to expose and shame people, to notify employers, to contact the police. He justifies it all by accusing them of being sub human, SJW, or feminists, or whatever other group he feels are unworthy of being treated as fully human.

Okay, one last response.

On three everybody: SJW's always...

Anonymous The other robot June 21, 2015 10:36 PM  

VD frequently fights dirty and attempts to expose and shame people

You poor cry-baby. Did he hurt your feelings?

We don't care!

Blogger maniacprovost June 21, 2015 10:37 PM  

That's the issue - hate-filled messages that leads ordinary people in society to try making a correction.
Add in a church shooter whose manifesto reads like a 3rd grade distorted version of content from this very blog, and people get worried.


Yes, except, you see, we are the victims of the stereotyping, hate-filled diatribes, fantasies of violence, etc. We are not the perpetrators. All we did was vote for a literary award, and in return we have been attacked and libeled by individuals, organizations, media hitpieces. I would throw "harassed" in there but yeah, only Larry, Brad and Vox have received much harassement per se.

Anonymous Nathan June 21, 2015 10:38 PM  

The DARVO is strong in Anonymous:

http://www.mass.gov/ago/about-the-attorney-generals-office/community-programs/cyber-crime-and-internet-safety/cyber-crimes/cyber-stalking.html

If you are a victim of cyber stalking, it is important that you know the steps available to promote your safety, document the harassment, and initiate an end to the abuse. Victims who are teens or children should immediately tell their parents or another adult they trust about any harassment or threats. Adult victims should send a clear, written warning to the harasser to stop the contact or harassing behavior. It is important however to avoid getting into a "back-and-forth" exchange with the harasser. If at any time you feel your physical safety is in jeopardy you should contact your local police department for assistance.

Documenting all communication with the offender and any organizations you contact for help in stopping the harassment may be of assistance should the harassment continue. Saved documentation can include all emails, postings, or other communications including log files from IM and chat clients in both electronic and hardcopy format that are not altered or edited in any way. You may want to explore whether you can block the offender through your email program or chat room. If the behavior continues, you may also file a complaint with your Internet service provider (ISP) and your harasser's Internet service provider (ISP). Most ISP's have a department that is available to speak with you.

If the harassment continues, or if at any time you fear for your personal safety, contact your local police department.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 10:42 PM  

@Maniacprovost

If you are the victims, and didn't cast the first stone, then why are so many references to war and battle here?

Is it because SJWs have always come here when disgruntled to criticize and challenge? Or is something that just started after the Hugos?

Anonymous Minion #0172 June 21, 2015 10:42 PM  

I agree. The people are so intellectually deficent they don't see "privilege" is the ultimate "unpersoning" word.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 21, 2015 10:43 PM  

Stop feeding the trolls. They're provably liars and both have been banned before and yet just can't move along. Shadow banning their IP's might be a more effective route.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 10:43 PM  

I believe Larry and Brad got a lot of harassment. In Larry's case, I think he was used to getting a bit all along. But in Brad's case, I think it was a surprise to him. Vox, I'm sure, has been getting a lot of opposition all along, but I think he relishes that.

Blogger James Dixon June 21, 2015 10:44 PM  

> Her comments were obviously about Vox personally, and perhaps a few others, but certainly were not meant for you.

Complete and total BS. ""There are two extreme right-wing to neo-nazi groups..."

She was attack both the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies. not just Vox.

> Hundreds of comments daily speak to the contrary.

To your mind, perhaps. But then you don't really know us very well, do you?

> You left out the part where she said "a noisy few" ... And that's the crux.

She was merely trying to minimize the number of Sad and Rabid Puppy supporters in her own mind. She was in no way limiting the scope of her comments.

> You should.

No, we shouldn't. No more than you care about us.

> How do you mean to make us feel pain?

Oh, so it's us now, is it? Regardless, the same way your kind has done to hundreds if not thousands of others over the years. By using your own weapons against you. The fact is that you know them quite well and know how well they work. That's why you're frightened. That's why you're trying to talk us out of it.

> Add in a church shooter whose manifesto reads like a 3rd grade distorted version of content from this very blog,

Go ahead. Keep lying. Maybe if you repeat it often enough someone will believe it. Not someone here, of course, but someone.

> Are you really so foolish as to not even know the nature of the one you follow?

We do know Vox. You don't.

> They're just lying now.

Now? They've been lying since they started. They are SJW's after all.









Blogger maniacprovost June 21, 2015 10:45 PM  

All this "fully human" and "subhuman" whining, none of which originated with Vox's actual words, is fascinating. It tells me their is still a strong strain of humanism going strong in the opposition.

Geocentrism: The belief that the sun, and possibly the whole universe, revolves around the Earth.
This belief was replaced at the beginning of the Renaissance era with
Humanism: the belief that the universe revolves around humans
Of course the enlightment gave us
Individualism: The belief that the universe had better show some respect for the individual
And now we are fighting off
Socialism: The belief that Society takes precedence over the individual

Anonymous zen0 June 21, 2015 10:46 PM  

> But you do care, or there would only be a tiny bit of whining about SJWs, which is not the case.

More misdirection OTO. The thing people do not care about, is if SJWs feel unsafe, or unpersoned, or any range of feelbad for being called out for their misbehavior.
But OTO already knows that, but can't say it, or OTO would become a rational person and not just a jackass, which is anathema to OTO's kind.



Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 10:47 PM  


If you are the victims, and didn't cast the first stone, then why are so many references to war and battle here?


And now they've fallen back to the strawman gambits again. It's as if it's coming from a checklist.

Stop feeding the trolls. They're provably liars and both have been banned before and yet just can't move along. Shadow banning their IP's might be a more effective route.

It's boredom. I'm waiting for something to finish up, and I have to stay nearby in order to make sure nothing goes wrong, so this is helping to pass the time. I'll quit on this last one, though.

That straw man (Quote above yours) was so lame it's not even worth actually addressing.

Blogger maniacprovost June 21, 2015 10:49 PM  

And now anybody, anybody you dislike at all, can simply be dehumanized by labeling them a SJW. That allows you to then justify any behavior you want, since you aren't actually dealing with real people.

One of the characteristics of War is that you have to treat groups as groups, not as individuals. When someone identifies as Al Qaeda, we don't ask what he did personally. We shoot him. When someone is part of ISIS, we don't wait for him to behead a journalist. We just go ahead and give him weapons and foreign aid.

For our philosophy on the subject, check out "A Desert Called Peace."

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 10:52 PM  

The evidence is right in front of anyone not trapped in cognitive dissonance and able to see it. Read VD's own words, you moron.

No implying necessary, there is numerous evidence, VD's own words for example.


>still not providing evidence of being doxed personally
>implying doxing is the same thing as complaining to an employer about their employee being rude in public

And now anybody, anybody you dislike at all, can simply be dehumanized by labeling them a SJW. That allows you to then justify any behavior you want, since you aren't actually dealing with real people. They could be avatars for all you care.

That is the very nature of bigotry.


>never disputes doing it, just says it's wrong to do

Thanks for admitting that you dehumanize your opponents, which according to you is bigotry. Bigot.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 10:55 PM  

@Owen T. Oloren
If you are the victims, and didn't cast the first stone, then why are so many references to war and battle here?
Why did America go to war after Pearl Harbor?

Anonymous Beau June 21, 2015 10:56 PM  

And now anybody, anybody you dislike at all, can simply be dehumanized by labeling them a [neo-nazi, bad-to-reprehensible, a Sad Puppy, a racist, homophobe, misogynist bot]. That allows you to then justify any behavior you want, since you aren't actually dealing with real people. They could be avatars for all you care.

That is the very nature of bigotry.


There, fixed it for ya.

Anonymous zen0 June 21, 2015 11:01 PM  

.> Is it because SJWs have always come here when disgruntled to criticize and challenge? Or is something that just started after the Hugos?

Before the Hugos, SJWs stance was that it was not worth bothering.

Have you actually paid attention over the last decade or so or are you just new to the party?
If you have, what are your other iterations?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 11:10 PM  

I'm new, and only "awoke" to this new world of conflict when I heard about the Hugo controversy (and now the Tor boycott).

Imagine my surprise when I heard there was a culture war. And came to learn about it, only to find this blog filled with scorn for others. Then went to other blogs speaking out against Rabid puppies, and finding them quite as surprised as myself at the situation. They seem quite balanced and tolerant, while the comments here (undeterred by the blog owner) seem outwardly cruel and openly hostile.

You may call that rhetoric (and based on emotions). You may call me a gamma, and a liar, and a troll, but it only seems to polarize things that much further.

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