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Sunday, June 21, 2015

The Third Law in action

It's so terribly frustrating to SJWs when they can't find any scary threats to point-and-shriek about that they have to go and manufacture their own imaginary ones. Either these people are lying for effect or they are literally, clinically and medically insane.
Ann Somerville on June 20, 2015 at 10:29 pm said:
I really fear for Irene Gallo and Moshe Feder. GGaters have no boundaries, and it’s beginning to look as if the Puppies of either kind don’t either.

Matt Y on June 20, 2015 at 10:59 pm said:
It’s not their jobs I’m worried about. It’s that small portion of the hyper-reactionary crowd that flock to some of these assholes get obsessed with trying to personally cause damage or harass people as if it’s some sort of game. Like GGs obsession with Quinn, Anita, and so on. I don’t know if that is what Anne is talking about but I’ve thought about that, which is really depressing that it’s even a potential concern.

Stevie on June 20, 2015 at 11:39 pm said:
Thank you, Anne and Matt. I was obviously being far too privileged to take on board the real physical dangers confronting them; I will try to do better.

Laura Resnick on June 21, 2015 at 1:02 am said:
I, too, have started wondering about Irene Gallo’s physical safety. Is she being cyberstalked or receiving threatening messages? Will the vitriolic rhetoric against her escalate to a level where she’s at risk from doxxing and physical stalking?

The apologies she and Tor issued should have resolved the matter. (And I assume Tor and Macmillan have remained silent since then because those apologies eliminated any legal exposure the corporation might have been concerned about.)

The bizarre, inexplicable ESCALATION we have seen over Gallo since then indicates that the Puppies and whoever else has joined this anti-Gallo hysteria are functioning so far outside the boundaries of rational behavior that their anger is self-feeding and could keep escalating, especially if the ringleaders keep feeding it. Which does lead me to wonder if unstable individuals in the group will harass and endanger Gallo, in the way that people like Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, Briana Wu, and others have experienced in the past year or two.

I, too, have thought, oh, maybe I’m overreacting to what I’m seeing, maybe this is just Puppy Fatigue and not a realistic worry… But the very first person I mentioned this to, a few days ago, is probably my most level-headed anti-dramatic friend–and that person’s reaction was that this is a realistic concern and she’d been thinking about it, too. I see from the comments here that others were also thinking about it but thinking, “Oh, that’s probably just me.”

No, I guess it’s a bunch of people by now seeing some indicators in the Puppy mess of a pattern that we’ve already seen in GamerGate, and it’s alarming.

I’ve wondered much less about Moshe Feder, John Scalzi, or PNH’s safety than Gallo’s, partly because the angriest Puppies and boycotters seem so focused specifically on Gallo (and she’s the one whose apology, instead of being accepted by these people and ending the matter, has been reacted to with irrational escalations of rage), but also because they’re men. Yes, men also get doxxed, threatened, stalked, and harassed, of course, and these men could be in potential danger… but “movements” like this tend more toward stalking women than men. So I think that after Gallo, the next likeliest target is Teresa Nielsen Hayden. Plus, the Puppies have been heavily focused on her at times, and a number of them have already “unpersoned” her with nasty nicknames like the “Toad of Tor.”

Anyhow, nothing may come of it. But it seems like it’s something that probably many people are wondering about by now. Perhaps also at Tor.

Octavia on June 21, 2015 at 1:43 am said:
I agree. The vitriol of the puppies, especially against Irene Gallo seems to be spiraling completely out of control. Just like the narrative (comments instead of one comment with subsequent apology, attack against everyone and their dog, etc.).

Since some of the puppies/puppy-supporters own guns and a few have no problem with throwing all kinds of threats around, it does get really worrisome. Especially as none of the supposed “puppy-leaders” is even pretending to try and reign them in. Or call for some moderation. Instead they pour gasoline in the fire.

I hope Irene Gallo has a strong support network and people who can help her with the vitriol. I’m pretty sure that she’s receiving all kinds of threats at least on her work-email, maybe also on facebook.
First, the only person who has been doing any cyberstalking is Irene Gallo. She started following me on Twitter after this whole thing erupted and only stopped after I sent an email to the Compliance Officer at Macmillan informing them of her actions. And before anyone is stupid enough to point out the Facebook screenshot I posted, let me remind you that while I have a Facebook account, I have not utilized it in well over a year.

Second, Laura Resnick's feigned concern over nonexistent violence is ridiculous given her own fantasies about sexually attractive men.
Laura Resnick says:
August 17, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Whever I think “alpha male”… my daydream quickly becomes a Sweeney Todd nightmare in which I’m serving the remains to my dinner guests, disguised as some sort of heavy-seasoned stew beneath puff pastry, because I wound up killing said Alpha Male in sheer exasperation before sundown and need to get rid of the body….
Imagine her reaction if I said I daydreamed about killing and eating Tor employees. The fact is that no one in the Sad or Rabid Puppy camps wishes any physical harm to come to Irene Gallo, Moshe Feder, or Patrick Nielsen Hayden. No one has suggested or even hinted at the desirability of them being physically harmed in any way. We merely expect them to receive pink slips as a reasonable consequence of their unprofessional and abusive actions.

In any event, it should be obvious that it is not our side that contains the mentally unstable. Ergo the Third Law of the Social Justice Warrior: SJWs always project

UPDATE: Sweet Mendel, but these people are stupid.
Jim Henley on June 21, 2015 at 9:23 am said:
I stand foursquare against taking a baseball bat to anyone. But when it comes to defending the honor of one’s spouse, I have been dwelling on this:

Brad Torgersen’s wife, as everyone keeps telling us, is black. In VD’s attack on NK Jemison, he asserted that “genetics tells us not all of us are equally homo sapiens.” This says “Brad Torgersen’s wife is not fully human according to Science!” far more explicitly than, for instance, anything Moshe Feder said about the Tor boycott applies to either Wright or Lamplighter. But other than saying, generally, “I’m not Vox Day,” Brad Torgersen refuses to repudiate VD or criticize him in specific. The guy who, not just by Puppy logic but any commonsense reading, called his wife subhuman.

I have a hard time squaring that with any concept of “personal honor” that means anything.
He obviously hasn't been dwelling anywhere nearly hard enough. Brad understands what Jim quite clearly does not, which is that pointing out the INCONTROVERTIBLE GENETIC FACT that all of us are not equally Homo sapiens sapiens is not tantamount to calling his wife subhuman. My statement is not controversial nor any more debatable than "2+2=4" or "a fish is not a tiger". Nor does it say, “Brad Torgersen’s wife is not fully human according to Science!”

Anyone can be uninformed. But only an idiot attempts to inaccurately summarize things he does not understand rather than simply ask for clarification. Jim literally does not understand the plain English of what I wrote. And neither Brad Torgersen nor his wife are going to criticize me for that statement because they are not scientific ignoramuses.

You'd think the morons would learn to start looking before they leap. But they never do.

UPDATE 2: And even when they're explicitly told they're being morons, they STILL jump in:
Paul Weimer (@princejvstin) on June 21, 2015 at 2:59 pm said:
My “translation of Beale” seems to be on the fritz. He updated his post with a reply to Jim with an explanation that I don’t grok. As far as I can make it (and that’s not far) means that Nora is subhuman, but Brad’s wife is not, because I said so that’s why.

FungiFromYuggoth on June 21, 2015 at 3:27 pm said:
You’re missing Beale’s dodge – he’s not arguing that black people are sub human, just that the people-he-likes are more evolved than baseline human. He thinks he’s being clever, and it speaks ill of the intellect and character of anyone who is impressed by that dodge. Especially if they’ve read his entire tirade. This is the essence of Beale – to weasel and imply while building a half-assed trick, and then to point and laugh at the people who understand what he’s actually saying, trying to claim that he’s the truly smart one.
Keep in mind when reading this, that these are people who genuinely believe they are more intelligent and better educated than we are. Because science. Also, vaccines. I'm not claiming to be smarter than them, I'm publicly DEMONSTRATING it.

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Blogger Cail Corishev June 21, 2015 11:13 PM  

Sheesh, we must really be scoring points; they're even bringing trolls out of retirement. (For those who weren't here, Owen firmly earned that title in his previous appearance back in May, so I'm not jumping the gun there.) Maybe the SJWs should establish a minor league troll system or something, though, so they can improve their skills between call-ups.

Anonymous zen0 June 21, 2015 11:15 PM  

> You may call that rhetoric (and based on emotions). You may call me a gamma, and a liar, and a troll, but it only seems to polarize things that much further.

Or, we could just assume you are ignorant, uninformed, and lack mature judgement, with an inability to reason dispassionately.

That sounds like it to me. I think I will go with that.

Plus, you seem to like to hear yourself talk, and exhibit an inability and unwillingness to learn, with is the mark of a rhetorical personality.

I see a 5 comment limit looming in your future.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren June 21, 2015 11:17 PM  

@Cail
Vox banned me in May, and I showed my honor by not posting after his ban. I wrote an email and asked him to reconsider, and he gave me permission to post once more.

In fact, I could have taken a page from his book, and argued that I wasn't technically banned, because his words were "Scoobius, you're banned with all names you use", and I'm not Scoobius.

But I knew his intent, and I abided by it, while still reading. I'm back now at his pleasure, and am treading carefully. I'm trying very hard to stay focussed on discussion, not speak about myself, and not dominate any thread. So that's enough said here, and I'll continue to try to add in on a limited basis to not overstay my very limited welcome.

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 11:24 PM  

Owen firmly earned that title in his previous appearance back in May, so I'm not jumping the gun there.) Maybe the SJWs should establish a minor league troll system or something, though, so they can improve their skills between call-ups.

Owen's done nothing but clown himself. He hasn't shown himself worthy of the second chance he's apparently been given. He wouldn't be worthy of even a minor league slot.

Blogger Cee June 21, 2015 11:34 PM  

splay bullets
Hee hee.

Blogger Cee June 21, 2015 11:37 PM  

...Seriously, the first post the draconian filtering software here lets me get through is laughing at a typo?

Thanks, draconian filtering software.

Blogger kh123 June 21, 2015 11:38 PM  

"Do you know what you good Christian men have called me?"

Well, we've moved on up from being kulaks and wreckers in just one post. Progress.

Anonymous Scintan June 21, 2015 11:38 PM  

No, I did not. Do you know what you good Christian men have called me? Rancid vagina, cottege cheese thighs, fecal matter, slut, whore, etc, etc. One guy threatened to shove me in a wood chipper. Vox is threatening to call the cops on me because I dare to call him out on his crap.



From the "Trolls beware" thread
insanitybytes22

Actually, I praised his writing and attempted to speak civilly to him. VD himself posted evidence of my alleged "harassment," "Now I leave you in peace and send you my prayers. I certainly would never harm you, nor will I harass you at your sites. I am simply a mother, a grandmother, and a wife with an amazing husband of 28 years."

In response he called me an old hag, a rancid vagina, and vomited obscenities all over himself. This is what you people are supporting, this is what you're promoting.


Vox in response:

You're a lying old bitch Gabrielle Guthrie aka GG aka yttik aka insanitybytes. You seem to think you can behave however you want because your husband lets you walk all over him.

Keep it up and I'm going to send both him and your pastor all of your bitchy comments here and at AG. That should be amusing. Now go away. You are never welcome here.



So "Anonymous" is either a liar, a stalker and a harasser, or a troll who's stolen that liar, stalker and harasser's cover story. Either way, this bodes well for an interesting, and amusing, near future, albeit one filled with the same repetitive trolling time and again.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 11:41 PM  

>still never providing evidence of the doxing that supposedly took place
>not providing evidence for said insults
>still looking like a colossal liar

Keep it classy, liar. I'm out for the night.

Blogger kh123 June 21, 2015 11:42 PM  

...See, now that either the heat or the alcohol's taking hold, I might actually recall one of those decrepit idiot authors Scoob kept hectoring us Philistines over. Let's see if the braincells can manage it.

W.P.... Mayhew.

That sounds about right.

Blogger Student in Blue June 21, 2015 11:43 PM  

@kh123
Well, we've moved on up from being kulaks and wreckers in just one post. Progress.

If only "good Christian men" weren't an invective to them...

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 21, 2015 11:44 PM  

> Are you really so fearful of having a mere conversation? Why yes, yes you are because ultimately you know you haven't got a leg to stand on. Your behavior is simply indefensible.

Your behavior, on the other hand, is one of a scofflaw.
Pick a handle. Anonymous is unacceptable.

How did that wood chipper work out for you? Hopefully it fixed some of the obvious physical flaws you mentioned.

In my day, we were taught "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me".

Maybe your primary education is lacking. Maybe by picking a name, you will make the first step on the road to recovery.

I for one am rooting for you.

Now pick a name so we can chart the various outrages perpetrated by the vile and faceless.

Blogger murphaticlaw June 21, 2015 11:47 PM  

One of the reasons I keep coming back and reading Vox is that I can read for comprehension, something that so many of his detractors cannot do, at least when they see profit in misunderstanding.

Such as pretending that criticism of a specific womans behavior under certain conditions is identical to hating all women all the time.

However, if we can all agree that words have both denotations and connotations, and that connotations allow us to 'tune' or 'focus' on that which is denoted, in the context of whatever is being discussed?

If so, then the “their insane” diagnosis might not just be descriptive of their habit of doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result, they may suffer from an actual learning disorder.

It is apparent that Paul Weimer, Fungi, and Oven T. Oloren have at least a partial understanding of the terms in the sentences they object to...but my hypothesis is that they are suffering from connotation overload.

This would explain why they keep reading ill meaning into statements of simple fact, because they are literally seeing connotations where none are needed, and therefor do not exist, because the simple denotation already encodes the needful information in a non-pejorative manner.



And I'm not sure if I heard this here or made it up, but I'm calling the cognitive dissonance that occurs when the story mutates back and forth from....

“Vox and friends are poor deluded powerless losers who can't accomplish anything meaningful, to “Run to the hills!!! Vox!!! Gamegate!!!! Puppies!!! We might barely escape with our lives!!!”....

narrative whiplash.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad June 21, 2015 11:48 PM  

I keep trying to tell you people. SJWs don't know when to shutup.


Blogger MidKnight (#138) June 21, 2015 11:48 PM  

"Subhuman" - geez - these supposedly intelligent and educated people really don't understand that "savage" is not a comment on degree of humanity, but on degree of civilized behavior?

That is also completely leaving aside something ESR once brought up at A&D - that a number of older "problematical" works from the 1920's and earlier often appeared to use "white" as shorthand for civilized, as evinced by obviously colored people being referred to as "white"

Blogger slarrow June 21, 2015 11:50 PM  

Good work, Scintan. Christ warned us not to put new wine into old wine skins. Apparently, we must also beware the old whine in new skins as well.

Anonymous Beau June 22, 2015 12:04 AM  

Do you know what you good Christian men have called me?

Anonymous, did I ever ever call you Rancid vagina, cottege cheese thighs, fecal matter, slut, whore, etc, etc. or threaten to shove you in a wood chipper?

I know, I know, you don't care, because you just want to splay bullets and to heck with the collateral damage or who you hit.

Wake the hell up, Anonymous, you of all people should be leading the way, not encouraging the persecution of people you don't like.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee June 22, 2015 12:06 AM  

Accusing people of being trolls and SJW's is the act of weak and cowardly men who know they are incapable of making a sound argument for their behavior.

As a numbered VFM in good standing, I take offense and strongly resent the deliberate and repeated attempts of the SJW troll Anonymous to misgender and/or disappear me.

Is there no end to his gender-bigotry?

Anonymous Beau June 22, 2015 12:07 AM  

I realize you all suffer from cranial (sic) rectal inversion so badly, all you can see is your own excrement.

Gee, Wally, why does Anonymous say such things and expect not to be called on it?

Blogger Tom June 22, 2015 12:07 AM  

@ 224. Anonymous

Define "attacked".

Blogger murphaticlaw June 22, 2015 12:08 AM  

At 147
Owen T. Oloren

On the other hand even connotation overload can't explain away the dishonesty of claiming that “There are two extreme right-wing to neo-nazi groups, called the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies respectively...” can be read as “Her comments were obviously about Vox personally, and perhaps a few others, but certainly were not meant for you.”

If you ever suffer a moment of honest introspection and wonder why people believe Vox Day when he says SJW's always lie, you can cease wondering by simply remembering the statement you made here.

Anonymous zen0 June 22, 2015 12:09 AM  

Anonymous, all you comments will disappear, because you ignore the rules.

All you are doing is enforcing the impression that you are a willful idiot.

Nobody cares about your feelings.

> Good work, Scintan.

Absolutely. A she-wolf in sheep's clothing, giving Beau a hard time. Beau, the guy that is actually actively and productively involved in something other than self aggrandizement through association, like the worst of Churchians.

Anonymous Yaakov Abir, Rabbi From Hell June 22, 2015 12:16 AM  

In my day, Grannies were sweet and loving and baked stuff. Eat, skeleton, they said.

What the hell happened?

Oy Gevalt!.

Anonymous Anonymous June 22, 2015 12:22 AM  

The amount of left-wing butthurt on display here is fantastic.

No doubt they preferred the world where their rabbit squeals were enough to get their way.

No doubt they're used to a world where "conservative" means "Republican loser who will fold and apologize for existing as soon as we howl."

And this is just a tiny fight in one corner of the culture. Imagine when we get organized at large, as the French have done, as the Finns have done, as the just-victorious Danes have done.

Not only will these people be easy to beat, it will also be very enjoyable.

Blogger Corvinus June 22, 2015 12:23 AM  

No, I did not. Do you know what you good Christian men have called me? Rancid vagina, cottege cheese thighs, fecal matter, slut, whore, etc, etc.

@Anonymous
Heh. Just heh.

Miz Guthrie, why don't you simply pick the handle Rancid Vagina. Your behavior is so obvious that you might as well.

Plus, it suits you.

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Anonymous Yaakov Abir, Rabbi From Hell June 22, 2015 12:29 AM  

>Not only will these people be easy to beat, it will also be very enjoyable.
>Not only will these people be easy to beat, it will also be very enjoyable.

I for one welcome my new Ubermensches. Much more rational than the rabbits who would be kinglings.

Blogger Marc DuQuesne June 22, 2015 12:38 AM  

Someone needs to restart the Jourdon bot.

Blogger Ragin' Dave June 22, 2015 12:41 AM  

I proudly admit that I called this Anonymous troll "fecal matter". I also called it a liar. I'm right on both counts.

Blogger Jim June 22, 2015 12:54 AM  

Speaking only for myself, I am sorry if you felt offense at having the rancidness of your vagina discussed on the internet.

And the slut and whore remarks are inexcusable. It beggars belief that anyone would lay with that much cottage cheese, so there should be no opportunity to explore such debauchery. As such, in addition to any hurt feelings that may be caused by your inability to grasp the meaning of our statements--often best attributed to some genetically-inherited mental deficiency--I also apologize for the lack of consistency in any insults directed towards you.

I trust this apology has resolved the matter and will not lead to any inexplicable ESCALATION on your part.


Man, these SJW-style apologies are AWESOME. Does anyone else want me to apologize for something?

Anonymous Bubbee Butthurt June 22, 2015 1:02 AM  

> Man, these SJW-style apologies are AWESOME. Does anyone else want me to apologize for something?

I think you are directing a micro-aggrssion at me and I feel unsafe in this space, Jim.
I don't KNOW what it is, but I FEEL it in my very bones.

Don't bother apologizing, I would not believe you anyway. Plus, you did not address the other thing that I cannot name because it is so hurtful.

Anonymous Anonymous June 22, 2015 1:22 AM  

/Jourdan bot re-booted....

Anonymous Anonymous June 22, 2015 1:25 AM  

To the woman poster concerned about grown men picking on little girls:

Listen, you dumb ass:

Either men and women are politically and in all ways equal, as your team insists on, in which case welcome to the rough and tumble of politics, so shut up with the complaining; or

Your team and you have been lying and women actually occupy a political and social space which is not co-equal to that of men and which requires men to treat women differently accordingly.

YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH.

Personally, I'd prefer the second, but mostly because you guys make rockin' sandwiches.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 22, 2015 1:27 AM  

26. Elijah Rhodes How do these delicate flowers survive in the big bad mean world?

Patriarchy.

Seriously.

A bunch of generous, well-mannered, intelligent, successful men have created a world in which all their basic needs are met effortlessly and all they can do is fret about it.

Blogger Groot June 22, 2015 1:27 AM  

"Stevie on June 20, 2015 at 11:39 pm said:
Thank you, Anne and Matt. I was obviously being far too privileged to take on board the real physical dangers confronting them; I will try to do better."

Now there is a trans-eunuch with a sliver tray of self-removed testicles. You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh out loud.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 22, 2015 1:45 AM  

The sound of SJW atheists eating each other courtesy of Thunderfoot. I guess the normals turned out to be too much of a mouthful so they've turned on each other. Quel surprise!

Anonymous Poli_Mis June 22, 2015 1:52 AM  

The number of comments on this post coupled with the DDoS monkey shines are quantifiable proof that the SJW Butt-Hurt-O-Meter is pegged deep in the red zone. You only get flack like this when you are directly over the target.

There needs to be another blog that is like Alpha Game but dedicated to refuting the rabbits.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 22, 2015 2:20 AM  

A small number? What - nine? Is that small?

You fucking idiot.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 22, 2015 2:40 AM  

"One of the characteristics of War is that you have to treat groups as groups, not as individuals. When someone identifies as Al Qaeda, we don't ask what he did personally. We shoot him. When someone is part of ISIS, we don't wait for him to behead a journalist. We just go ahead and give him weapons and foreign aid."

Well played, sir.

Blogger SirThermite June 22, 2015 3:05 AM  

Despite being one of of the dreaded letter-writers of Angmar, the notion of even Twitter-stalking one of these SJW pissants hadn't even crossed my mind, much less he idea of assaulting one of them with so much as a wet noodle. That would imply caring, and as one of the Ilk and the VFM's, I Don't Care. I don't bear Gallo any more thought or malice than something stinky that needs to be scraped off my shoe. She simply has to go.

Though personally, I'd rather have someone remove one of my pinkies with a pair of bolt cutters or put me on crutches for six weeks, or even (horrors!) "dox" me, than get me fired from my career that I've worked towards for so long. I suspect this is where the true fear and shrieking comes from, rather than this hysterical claim about imaginary physical violence.

Blogger John Wright June 22, 2015 3:09 AM  

@Owen T. Oloren
"If you are the victims, and didn't cast the first stone, then why are so many references to war and battle here?"

"If America were the victim, and did not provoke the attack, then why are there so many references to war and battle in FDR's rhetoric in the days after Pearl Harbor?"

No one is that stupid, except on purpose.

Reread your own words, dolt.

Reread your own words, jackass.

Reread your own world, lame-brained glue-sniffing logophobic self-lobotomized nincompoopforbrains.

You are asking, in effect, why one party, who is innocent and who was nonetheless attacked suddenly, viciously, dishonorably, ferociously by a ruthless and shameless enemy offering no quarter should speak in terms of warlike metaphors when discussing how best to repel the attack.

It is perhaps the stupidest question I have ever heard. I would like to assume this is a typo, and you left out from crucial word that changes the meaning. But I know you did not.

You are a moron.

You are not a moron on other topics, or at other times, but you somehow deliberately, in fashion that is creepy beyond belief, lower your intelligence to subhuman levels when your ego is involved.

Sin makes you stupid. The sin of pride makes you a low-grade nonfunctionig idiot, and stupidest of all.

Do you have any other stupid, stupid, questions, you loathsome jackass? By all means, ask more. Tell us what is on your so-called mind.

The more you talk, the more the undecideds know what you are, and what spirit motivates you.

Blogger John Wright June 22, 2015 3:15 AM  

@ comment 206. OTO
"Imagine my surprise when I heard there was a culture war."

I am a very imaginative man. Yet I cannot imagine anyone being that unaware of his environment, unless he practices a deliberate form of self deception by making himself stupider by an act of will, by blanking out all thought when thought veers too near a topic dangerous to his self image or his ersatz religion.

No one is that stupid, except on purpose.

Blogger SirThermite June 22, 2015 4:04 AM  

"You are not a moron on other topics, or at other times, but you somehow deliberately, in fashion that is creepy beyond belief, lower your intelligence to subhuman levels when your ego is involved. ...Sin makes you stupid. The sin of pride makes you a low-grade nonfunctionig idiot,...By all means, ask more. Tell us what is on your so-called mind."

Very well spoken, Sir! One should never imitate an Abhuman bringing a truncheon to a Diskos fight.

Blogger VD June 22, 2015 4:25 AM  

I vote we stop responding to Owen and Anonymous. They're just lying now. Some of this stuff is quite clearly willful. This is just tiring and pointless.

Anonymous is Gabby/yttik/Insanity Bytes. Owen is a previously banned individual who requested permission to comment, was given permission, and has now been banned again for obvious reasons.

If people are just going to come and tell blatant lies in an attempt to establish The Narrative, they're going to be spammed on sight.

Blogger James Dixon June 22, 2015 4:27 AM  

> Imagine my surprise when I heard there was a culture war.

Since the "culture war" has been going on since at least the 1960's, we don't have to imagine that you're lying.

> They seem quite balanced and tolerant,...

So calling people you don't know "neo-nazi, racist, misogynist, and homophobic" is now balanced and tolerant.

> ...while the comments here (undeterred by the blog owner) seem outwardly cruel and openly hostile.

But any complaints about same are cruel and openly hostile. Got it.

> You may call me a gamma, and a liar, and a troll,

Thank you. You're a liar and a troll.

> ...but it only seems to polarize things that much further.

We don't care.

> "Scoobius, you're banned with all names you use", and I'm not Scoobius.

I believe that may be true. Scoobius can write better than this.

Blogger James Dixon June 22, 2015 4:29 AM  

> Owen is a previously banned individual who requested permission to comment, was given permission, and has now been banned again for obvious reasons.

Ack. Sorry to respond to the banned, Vox. I knew it was coming, but I was working on my post when you posted yours.

Blogger Sherwood family June 22, 2015 4:31 AM  

Bless you John Wright for pointing out the lies. Either Owen T. Oloren is lying about "hearing" there was a culture war or his ability to see and interact with or be aware of the world around him is chronically (and possibly terminally) impaired.

Blogger VD June 22, 2015 4:43 AM  

Sorry to respond to the banned, Vox.

No worries. I'm always happy to give people a second chance, but Owen is simply not an honest interlocutor. He's simply pushing The Narrative, and as we are already sufficiently familiar with that, there is no need for additional comments from him.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 22, 2015 5:44 AM  

It's interesting that they get together, and one of them tentatively starts a lie, and the others escalate it until it becomes a full blown narrative of slander and deceit. They obviously know that they are making up a premeditated lie, and yet somehow they rationalize that it's ok

Many other comments have made this observation. It is the basis for a possible Fourth Law of SJW's as follows:

SJW's believe that disagreement with them is immoral and evil, thus justifying deceit and viciousness in the name of virtue.

Anonymous Steve June 22, 2015 5:50 AM  

Minion 172 - Steve accepts no liability for Diet Dr. Pepper related mishaps. Sorry.

Groot - I think he's more of a Tena Lady fan.

Double E - male SJW's think, talk and emote like women. Women can get away with a lot more verbiage because they're women, and they know that you know that it's not right to hit girls.

So the male SJW snarks and titters and questions your masculinity, and then sharts himself when somebody replies with "come at me, bro".

That's not in the script. The script in their head - where they're a brilliant liberal wit with Garrison Keillor's voice and you're a clownish comedy relief cretin like the Illinois nazis in The Blues Brothers.

What's supposed to happen is that they mock you and do their little SJW dance, and you run away with tears in your eyes.

When you deviate from that script - well, it's practically rape.

Kh123 - MAGNIFICENT!

Anonymous old man in a villa June 22, 2015 6:25 AM  

"Imagine my surprise when I heard there was a culture war."

Not possible unless you preface your comments by admitting to having just emerged from a forty year coma.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 22, 2015 7:00 AM  

Gents and ladies,
I propose that once a troll.has been identified as a troll, no response other than perhaps "VD/Markku, troll at 12 o clock, please nuke" or "Go away you lying SJW liar. Your lies are showing. As always" once, and then that's it.

Keep in mind that making us use up energy better spent exposing them for the lying sacks of shit they are in other parts of the Internet is part of their gameplan.

If you MUST respond I suggest you do so by posting elsewhere an expose on one or more of them. Tweet, blog post, comment on other blogs, provide links, etc. In other words, respond to each of their lies with truth and expose them.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 22, 2015 7:34 AM  

I'm sure this OTO is a bought and paid for shill. It touts the SJW party line but shows none of the vitriol required for the cognitive dissonance responsible for real SJW-ism.

Its approach, "Look how reasonable our absolutely irrational madness is..." could only by said by somebody with no dog in the fight. No effort is made to cover up the obvious lies, contradictions and hypocrisy of the statements from the general public - it is just presented as fact in all its irrationality - or mybe OTO has a new special kind of madness SJW-syphilis comorbidity? Could make an interesting episode of Dr House.

Either way, it is repeating its lies to the point of tedium and I would appreciate it being switched off for future threads.

Blogger Student in Blue June 22, 2015 8:04 AM  

@Giuseppe
If you MUST respond I suggest you do so by posting elsewhere an expose on one or more of them.

I'll admit, I wasn't thinking of the situation quite in that manner. I'll definitely give it some more thought however - I was only responding to those two because it was entertaining to me, as I was personally taking note of what they said and what they quite pointedly avoided saying.

I'm one of those guys who learns by doing, not so much by reading about them, so it was instructive. Regardless, I will take your advice as I believe it to be sober, correct, and you to be a smart man.

Blogger Joel #0164 June 22, 2015 9:00 AM  

murphaticlaw: "It is apparent that Paul Weimer, Fungi, and Oven T. Oloren have..."

Best. Typo. Ever.

Anonymous 224 June 22, 2015 9:25 AM  

For being Social Justice WARriors- they don't care for the actual war part when people fight back. Must suck to be them.

Anonymous Quartermaster June 22, 2015 9:55 AM  

"You may call that rhetoric (and based on emotions). You may call me a gamma, and a liar, and a troll, but it only seems to polarize things that much further."

Sorry, but it has gone too far already. What you are seeing is a reaction to 30 years of SJW stupidity and many are tired of it. The backlash has begun, and the SJWs have forced it. If you're afraid of getting splashed by the blood, just go hide. May your chains rest lightly on you.

Anonymous Anonymous June 22, 2015 11:34 AM  

Owen did quite a good job playing memory hole with Gallo's comment.

Anonymous James Parliament June 22, 2015 11:50 AM  

I think OTO was going for a gaslighting with the culture war comment.

Mr. Wright has answered him for that.

Blogger Danby June 22, 2015 12:06 PM  

@Giuseppe,
No, sorry.
This is my entertainment, and I need the practice. Think of it as range time.

Blogger ray June 22, 2015 7:04 PM  

"But Jim "Slugger" Henley did. While implying he's the sort of chap whose nerd-rage might boil over into baseball bat assaults. Any day now. You'll see."


I appreciate that warning! I'm sure Jim is very brave pontificating on the couch whilst the women watch teevee.

I had to go to the E.R. today from the anxiety worrying about how Big Bat Jimbo and the brownshirts are gonna come and beat me up. They game me xanax and said I ought not worry but darn, I'm still shaking just thinking about it.

It's funny 'cause I see jims all the time, pretty much everywhere, and I know who they are, and they know who I am, but . . . no such mouthiness ensues. To say nothing of swinging baseball bats. Guess it's 'facebook' courage. Any Day Now is fine by me.

Cheers.

Blogger ray June 22, 2015 7:13 PM  

"Not many people know this, but the Steven Seagal film "Under Siege" was based on a true Jim Henley story. Except they had to tone down Jim Henley's raw, unapolagetic masculinity for the script, or it would never have gotten past the censors - and would probably have led to every woman watching the film getting accidentally pregnant."


Yeah, I thought so. Thieves. It's about time that Big Jim got credit for the deeds of glory that others STOLE from him. And I'm glad to see you finally are putting things to rights, Steve.

Doesn't Jim's ancestral name mean 'Law of the Hen'? I'm sure this cannot be correct however, because as you've explained, Jim Henley and the legions are muy muy bad hombres. They wouldn't allow their wives and mommies to rule over them, much less rule over their nation. Because, baseball bat! :O) Cheers.

Anonymous Stilicho June 22, 2015 9:50 PM  

I, too, have started wondering about Laura Resnick’s mental well-being. Is she cyberstalking or still posting threatening messages? Will the vitriolic rhetoric from her escalate to a level where she’s at risk of a mental breakdown if she doesn't get the attention she feels she deserves?

The facts she and Tor ignored should have resolved the matter. (And I assume she ignored the facts because to recognize them would have invalidated her feelings and subjected her to even further mental and emotional stress as well as potential legal exposure for making defamatory statements in light of her willful disregard of the truth.)

The bizarre, inexplicable ESCALATION we have seen by Resnick since this began indicates that she and whoever else has joined this anti-puppy hysteria are functioning so far outside the boundaries of rational behavior that their anger is self-feeding and could keep escalating, especially if the ringleaders keep feeding it. Which does lead me to wonder if unstable individuals in the group will harass and endanger the puppy leaders, in the way that people like Brendan Eich, Tim Hunt, Brad Torgerson, and others have experienced in the past year or two.

I, too, have thought, oh, maybe I’m overreacting to what I’m seeing, maybe this is just SJW Fatigue and not a realistic worry… But the very first person I mentioned this to, a few days ago, is probably my most emotionally sensitive, empathic, culturally aware friend–and that person’s reaction was that this is a realistic concern and he’d been thinking about it, too. I see from the comments here that others were also thinking about it but thinking, “Oh, that’s probably just me.”

No, I guess it’s a bunch of people by now seeing some indicators in SJW fandom of a pattern that we’ve already seen in Anti-GamerGate, and it’s alarming.

I’ve wondered much less about Moshe Feder, John Scalzi, or PNH’s sanity than Resnick’s, partly because the craziest SJW's and Torlings seem so focused specifically on crafting plausible deniability (and Resnick’s the one whose unsolicited, emotional rantings and unsupported speculations instead of being accepted by the puppies and ending the matter, has been reacted to with exuberant paroxysms of laughter), but also because they’re men. Yes, men also get depressed, irrationally angry, suicidal, and hysterical, of course, and these men could be in potential danger of suffering a similar loss of mental faculties… but “movements” like this tend more toward unhinging unstable women than men. So I think that after Resnick, the next likeliest mental patient/self-harmer is Teresa Nielsen Hayden. Plus, the SJW's in her circle have been heavily focused on Vox Day at times, and a number of them have already “unpersoned” him with nasty names like "neo-nazi", "racist", "misogynist", and "homophobe" while he remains beyond their reach and vastly amused at their futile antics.

Anyhow, nothing may come of it. But it seems like it’s something that probably many people are wondering about by now. Perhaps also at Resnick's therapy group.




Translated for your convenience

Blogger SciVo June 24, 2015 6:45 AM  

@ VFM bot #188: Many other comments have made this observation. It is the basis for a possible Fourth Law of SJW's as follows:

SJW's believe that disagreement with them is immoral and evil, thus justifying deceit and viciousness in the name of virtue.


It needs to be punchier. I can get it a little closer, but still not there: "SJWs always justify means through ends through epistemic closure."

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