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Friday, June 05, 2015

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From last weekend's Brainstorm event with Dr. Martin van Creveld, Israeli military historian and the author of The Transformation of War and A History of Strategy: From Sun Tzu to William S. Lind:
VOX: Speaking of the US, I am curious to know what the general opinion in Israel is of the American neocons who, like you said, have been trying to overthrow Assad. They have overturned the Ukrainian government, the Libyan government, the Iraqi government, etc. What is the general view of the neocons in Israel?

MVC: Oh, we love them. The Israelis are very happy to fight the Arabs and the Iranians with American blood. During the first Gulf War, Israel was then under Yitzhak Shamir and did whatever it could to encourage an American invasion of Iraq. I wouldn't say that this was decisive but they tried. It was the same when the Americans invaded Iraq for the second time. It was the same when Americans clashed with Iran over nuclear weapons. Each time you can see this very consistently. You can see the Israeli Right and, to some extent, even the Left say okay, this is lovely, we are going to let the Americans put the chestnuts in the fire for us.

Myself, I must say, that I dislike this policy very much. But certainly most Israelis like it. They like to be on the side of the strong as I see it. They push America as much as they can into these ventures. Just today I saw a famous t-shirt that says "Don't worry America, Israel is behind you." I also know that some Americans, like Pat Buchanan, have been writing that these lousy Israelis have been trying to use American for their own purposes and have unfortunately they have succeeded. So, personally I am not happy about this policy. I think that it may well one day act as a boomerang.

 VOX: Do you think it is bad for Israel to be dependent in that way?

MVC: Yes, because, as we say in Hebrew, "the one who's got the money has the say." It's bad in several ways, it is bad in the sense that we are tilting too much in the Republican direction. That is a bad thing in my view. It's not bipartisan. There is a danger that one day support for Israel will probably fade and people will say enough of this. They will say Israelis are exploiting us with American-Jewish help. They are exploiting us for their own purposes. Let them go and fight their own wars. I have been warned more than once by my American friends that this is one day going to happen. It hasn't happened yet but it is going to happen one day and it worries me. Frankly, it worries me.

VOX: Yeah, you don't want to use your allies on a war that you don't need and then not have their support when you actually need it.

MVC: Exactly.
In the event you are not a Brainstorm member but happen to be interested in obtaining a transcript of the interview with Dr. Martin van Creveld, it is available in EPUB and MOBI format at Castalia House.

We haven't scheduled the times yet, but William S. Lind has agreed to do a future event, as has Dr. Helen Smith. I've also contacted Ann Coulter's publisher and am expect to arrange an interview with her at some point about her new book, Adios America. If there are others you might be interested in seeing on Brainstorm, feel free to make suggestions here. The objective is to maintain a consistently high level of intellectual discourse for the open and closed events alike.

You can join Brainstorm as an Annual or Monthly member to receive free transcripts as well as taking part in the closed events. Now that we have 500 seats in the virtual auditorium, there isn't much risk of not being able to attend the open ones. On which note, I should mention that there are still 240 seats left for next week's event with Roosh V.

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40 Comments:

Blogger Dexter June 05, 2015 11:06 AM  

One thing the recent history of the Middle East has shown is that it is very dangerous - even fatal! - to be America's friend.

Israel may be the last "friend" to go under the bus, but that's the way to bet.

Blogger Jack Ward June 05, 2015 12:06 PM  

I feel you have to assume that Obama and his admin. has one primary goal; that is the institution of the new caliphate and the decimation of the USA.
Filter everything with that in mind. I suspect Obama's advisers preach that, 'don't rush it too much otherwise the US people and Military may just hand your ass to you.'

We can hope so.....

I'm looking forward to purchase of the MVC interview. I'll listen, with respect, to whatever he offers. If I understand it, not every Brainstorm will be offered thus?
Would have liked to have signed up for all them but just could not afford it.

Blogger VD June 05, 2015 12:13 PM  

I'm looking forward to purchase of the MVC interview. I'll listen, with respect, to whatever he offers. If I understand it, not every Brainstorm will be offered thus?

That's not exactly how it works. The events are all live. The transcripts from the open events are available to anyone. The transcripts from the closed events are not. No recordings or podcasts are being made available.

Anonymous Takin' a look June 05, 2015 12:13 PM  

My thanks to Dr. Creveld. Yet another Walther Rathenau who will be Cassandra'd.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 05, 2015 12:20 PM  

>If there are others you might be interested in seeing on Brainstorm, feel free to make suggestions here.

Not a member, but here's my quick brainstorm:

Fred Reed, Heartiste (he probably wouldn't go for it), John C. Wright, Texas Arcane/Koanic, esr, Ron Unz, Steve Keen, Michael Woodley, Tom Simon, Tom Kratman, Marc MacYoung, Greg Boyd, William Lane Craig, Robert Lindsay.

Anonymous dh June 05, 2015 12:27 PM  

Whats the rationale or point behind having open and closed distinction? Seems weird to me.

Blogger Josh June 05, 2015 12:35 PM  

Steve Sailer
NN Taleb

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 05, 2015 12:46 PM  

Razib Khan.

Blogger VD June 05, 2015 12:53 PM  

Whats the rationale or point behind having open and closed distinction?

Free versus paid. How is that difficult to understand?

OpenID mattse001 June 05, 2015 1:05 PM  

"...it is bad in the sense that we are tilting too much in the Republican direction."

Except for a minority on the right (Buchanan and Rand Paul types), Republicans are the main supporters of Israel. The last DNC convention, Democrats voted to excise both God and support for Israel from their platform (we all saw the voice vote, we know what the actual result was).
If Dr. Martin van Creveld thinks he can achieve a balance between those two sides, he's in for an unpleasant surprise.

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Blogger VD June 05, 2015 1:08 PM  

If Dr. Martin van Creveld thinks he can achieve a balance between those two sides, he's in for an unpleasant surprise.

He doesn't. He thinks Israel relying upon the USA is a fundamental mistake. Probably because it has not escaped him what tends to happen to America's friends in the region.

Unlike the neocons, he's not trying to make Israel's reliance upon the USA more stable, he's saying Israel should stop trying to influence the USA to act in its interests. I suspect he knows that a continuation of that policy will tend to rebound against America's Jews, hence his use of the term "boomerang".

Anonymous An Israeli June 05, 2015 1:14 PM  

I have to disagree with Van Creveld regarding Assad. I remember speaking about this with my friends at the time Obama was considering bombing Assad and none of them was supportive of the idea. Many of us, me included, thought it was lunacy and that the alternative to Assad could be worse.

The NY Times at the time wrote that Obama asked Bibi for his help in persuading Congress to support this bombing campaign. There was no great excitement about the prospect in Israel.

As for the the First Gulf War, I was too young, so I can't say for sure, but I doubt the US invaded Iraq at Israel's bidding, or anything like that. Bush wanted to get Saddam out of Kuwait for oil.

As for the invasion of 2003, I agree that Israel was supportive of the idea, but I don't think the neocons needed much encouragement.

In general, though, I agree with Van Creveld that our dependency on the US is bad for our long term interests.

Blogger hank.jim June 05, 2015 1:14 PM  

The Obama Administration calling Netanyahu chicken shit is probably a reason.

Anonymous Discard June 05, 2015 1:26 PM  

An Israeli: The U.S. has never needed to invade anybody to get oil. They sell it and we buy it. The neocons, i.e., the kosher conservatives, are the biggest supporters of our war on ragheads. They serve, if not Israel, Likud.

OpenID mattse001 June 05, 2015 1:26 PM  

"Probably because it has not escaped him what tends to happen to America's friends in the region."

I should point out the obvious, just for completeness:
America isn't unreliable. HALF of America is unreliable; the leftist half. The goal of Obama and the left was to ruin America's reputation in the world. If we allow ourselves to be tarnished along with the left, according to their plan, then they've won.

This is the heckler's veto, applied to international relations.

You can disagree with Republican/neocon policies; there's certainly room for that. We should have a sober evaluation of our foreign policy and its effectiveness. But I won't withdraw from the world because a 5th column of Communists has pissed in our corn flakes.

If we do, then we're allowing a minority to dictate to the rest of us.

Blogger VD June 05, 2015 1:28 PM  

I won't withdraw from the world because a 5th column of Communists has pissed in our corn flakes.

You shouldn't. You should withdraw from the world because an isolationist America is a strong America.

Anonymous An Israeli June 05, 2015 1:35 PM  

One more comment: I don't see what the connection is between neocons, Israel, and Libya and Ukraine. Both Libya and Ukraine were done under Obama and neither had anything to do with Israel.

Libya was not really a problem anymore, once they eliminated their WMD program, which, incidentally, they did following the 2003 Iraq invasion.

The toppling of the Libyan government practically ensured that Iran, nor any other country, will ever disarm itself, because it appears that doing so will not save anyone from an American military campaign.

OpenID mattse001 June 05, 2015 1:39 PM  

"...an isolationist America is a strong America."
If America is isolationist, soft power will be the primary tool for interacting with the world. I think the limits of soft power are going to become obvious, fairly quickly.

While I believe that we've overreached in recent years, reliance on soft power is a feminine fantasy.

But maybe I'm wrong. It'll be interesting to find out.

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Cavalry June 05, 2015 1:40 PM  

I think the Ilk would like a Voxiversity on Meditations on Violence by Rory Miller and a follow up event.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 05, 2015 1:44 PM  

If America is isolationist, soft power will be the primary tool for interacting with the world. I think the limits of soft power are going to become obvious, fairly quickly. -> The American government doesn't need to interact with the world in any way shape or form, unless you count the regulation of immigrants. Which I wouldn't.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 05, 2015 1:53 PM  

If there are others you might be interested in seeing on Brainstorm, feel free to make suggestions here.

Tom Woods, regarding state nullification and whether it can be a politically viable strategy to salvage any part of America vs. whether non-leftists should waste any time or money trying to win Federal elections.

Blogger luagha June 05, 2015 1:54 PM  

"You should withdraw from the world because an isolationist America is a strong America."

'But what about stability?!??!!?!'

If the world isn't stable without us propping up every corner, it isn't stable and we need to realize it.

My personal complaint is generally, "If we're supporting so many people, why aren't they paying us taxes?" (And of course, in some ways they are, like the petrodollar, like the cheap produce here, but it's not nearly enough for what we spend in blood and treasure and weakness.)

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis June 05, 2015 1:55 PM  

If we paid for the may brianstorm are we supposed to get the Van Creveld transcript for free?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 05, 2015 1:57 PM  

THANK YOU for the transcript availability. Creveld and Roosh are required reading/listening.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 05, 2015 2:04 PM  

I think we pay for them or its of no charge. Either way its worth it. We are placing our wallets/time where our values reside.

Blogger VD June 05, 2015 2:05 PM  

If we paid for the may brianstorm are we supposed to get the Van Creveld transcript for free?

Yes, will send it out tonight.

Blogger VD June 05, 2015 2:07 PM  

I don't see what the connection is between neocons, Israel, and Libya and Ukraine. Both Libya and Ukraine were done under Obama and neither had anything to do with Israel.

The neocons were responsible for the Libyan and Ukrainian overthrows. Obama has been working with the neocons. Neither had anything to do with Israel.

Blogger Dexter June 05, 2015 2:15 PM  

If America is isolationist, soft power will be the primary tool for interacting with the world. I think the limits of soft power are going to become obvious, fairly quickly.

The "limit" would matter if there were an actual external threat to us that soft power couldn't solve. If having only soft power means we can't go and meddle in every corner of the globe that doesn't truly concern us or threaten our interests... good!

The only real threat to us right now is self-inflicted, namely, allowing millions of foreign barbarians to colonize our country.

Anonymous Valiant June 05, 2015 2:22 PM  

I am not risking anything. Just got the yearly pass.

Anonymous Roundtine June 05, 2015 2:43 PM  

If America is isolationist, soft power will be the primary tool for interacting with the world. I think the limits of soft power are going to become obvious, fairly quickly.

Soft power is used by countries that want to meddle or are dealing with a hard power nation that has an absolute advantage. Isolationism means the U.S. does not use any power except in self-defense.

Being isolationist doesn't mean not having a top military. It means using the military sparingly and with massive lethal force to shock other potential enemies into leaving the state alone. An isolationist US would be a major arms exporter. Choosing who those arms go to would be a form of soft power.

It's all mute though. The current managers of America see themselves as the rulers of the world, hence things such as the DOJ suing FIFA. They don't want to do things solely in America's interest, in fact acting against America's interests, pathological altruism from the view of the American people, is a great way to collect power. Polyglot America is perfectly suited to rule the polyglot world in their mind.

Blogger Dan in Tx June 05, 2015 2:53 PM  

" The Israelis are very happy to fight the Arabs and the Iranians with American blood...."
"They are exploiting us for their own purposes. Let them go and fight their own wars. I have been warned more than once by my American friends that this is one day going to happen..."

Count me in the camp of already there. Wars in the mid east for Israel. Look at the banking segment, dominated by Jews. Hollywood, which never misses a chance to shit on American culture, completely owned by Jews. I have made the journey from full fledged "we should stand with Israel" to "why do all of our elections and foreign policy seem to center around these people" to outright hostility. What the hell has this "greatest ally ever" actually done for us vs to us? I agree with Netanyahu, it's time for Jews to return to Israel...and stay there. Independent, no shekels from the goys.

Anonymous Discard June 05, 2015 3:02 PM  

VD: If the National Association of Manufacturers or the American Medical Association supported the overthrow of Canada, I would have to conclude that factory owners or doctors believed that the overthrow of Canada was in their interest, whether or not I could understand their reasons for thinking so.
So it is with Israel and Libya/Ukraine. Neocons are the visible link. I may not understand it, but it's there.
Or, is it possible that neocons are selling their influence to other, non-Jewish, interests?

Blogger VD June 05, 2015 3:34 PM  

Neocons are the visible link. I may not understand it, but it's there.

Yes, but American Jews are not Israelis. Ask any Israeli. American Jews have different interests and often lean considerably to the left of the Israeli government.

Blogger ray June 05, 2015 5:07 PM  

Few in the State of Israel (as in the State of America) desire to live according to Yahweh. As here, over in Israel they reject the King sent to them (Jeshua) and they reject their own prophets from the OT. They reject the corrections and aid of Christ's apostles.

Instead, they want to do it Their Way. Reliance for provision and/or defense is upon their own strategies and 'capabilities' instead of upon the Lord as a flame around them. Like America, the State of Israel is corrupted and divided by secularism. There is also a strong current of Babylonian idolatry (via the Talmud) embraced by religious and political 'leaders' which gradually sway many of the people.


This is just more rebelliousness, I don't need God, not even the God that brought my people from bondage and into these lands. Nupe. We will devise our OWN tactics and agreements. We will govern ourselves and make names for ourselves, and we will call it the will of The People, or military necessity, or whatever we need to call it to keep doing what we want instead of what we're told. Because where is the personal glory in mere obedience?

Anonymous Discard June 05, 2015 5:13 PM  

VD: Like I said, I don't understand it. Why else would American Jews support wars against Moslems, other than to support Israel? As van Creveld said, Israelis are happy for Americans to fight Arabs and Iranians, and the neocons act on their behalf. American Jews may not be Israelis, but their not as distant as acorns and eggplant either.

With respect to neocons and Russia, I admit defeat. It makes no sense at all. Don't Ukrainians hate Jews? I am stuck with speculations of Wall Street Jews out to delay the rise of any rival currency.

Blogger Rygor June 05, 2015 7:25 PM  

Dr. Creveld ? The same old jolly Dr. Creveld who urged Israel to capitulate and return the Golan Heights to Assad and Judea and Samaria to Arafat ?

Blogger Tommy Hass June 05, 2015 10:37 PM  

What suprises me is the strange friendly vibe between you guys and Jews. They aren't Christians and hate Jesus.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150315012859/http://jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=20

Anonymous Rhys O'Reilly June 05, 2015 10:45 PM  

@ Aeoli Pera: I'll second the call for Tex Arcane but don't lump Koanic in with him. Koanic is nowhere near Tex's level

@ Vox: Are you familiar with Jim Penman? He is a multi millionaire Australian businessman with a PhD in history. He has just published a book that proposes a new theory as to why civilizations collapse and also contends that we are in the beginning of a new collapse right now. He would make a good guest.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 05, 2015 11:04 PM  

Koanic would agree with you, so I'll have to take offense on his behalf.

D-:<

Anyway, 100:1 says Tex won't do it.

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