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Saturday, June 06, 2015

Turbo-charging the award pimpage

I find it amusing that the SJWs obviously know that no one outside their freaky little circles believes them anymore, so they keep repeating the same thing over and over and over and over in the hopes that someone, anyone, will fall for it. In fact, Dela is such a sensitive literateur that she is capable of preemptively judging the quality of science fiction and fantasy work in future years. Now that's science fictional!
Dela on June 5, 2015 at 3:55 pm said:
I find all–ALL–of the Castalia House publications on the ballot so badly written, I will never again subject myself to anything from that publisher. The putrid and mostly unprofessional quality of the work was so consistent across CH nominees, all future CH nominees will automatically go under “No Award” on my Hugo ballots, as will “editor” Vox Day. I will never again let him or the Puppies waste my time as it has been wasted on reading the sheer drek that comes out of that company.
Strange, a lot of us reached a similar conclusion about reading books published by Tor Books some years ago. I still have literally piles of dreadful books they sent me when I was on the Nebula Best Novel jury. As it happens, I'd been contemplating following the International Lord of Hate's lead and recusing myself from the ballot in the future, since I didn't want to end up with more Hugo nominations than the likes of Heinlein, Clarke, and Asimov. That would be ridiculous. However, now that I know the SJWs are preemptively planning to No Award me, I think I would be remiss if I did not consider award pimpage for every single Hugo Award for which I am even remotely eligible for in 2016.

Let's see. In addition to the professional categories, there is Best Fan Writer, Best Related Work, and perhaps I can throw a few doodles together for Best Fan Artist while I'm at it.
Lori Coulson on June 5, 2015 at 9:45 pm said:
I have finished hacking my way through the puppy nominees, thank Ghu.
As I said about most of the puppy entries — there’s no there, there.

When the puppies can produce short stories better than “A Rose For Ecclesiastes” or “Nightfall” and when they can write something like MY type of MiLSF, i.e. Gordon Dickson’s “Tactics of Mistake,” or even an enjoyable potboiler like “The Hunt for Red October,” or a disaster tale like “Dies the Fire” — THEN I might trying reading their scribblings again. Given the current state of their art I consider this outcome highly unlikely.

Something else — merely competent prose is not Hugo Award worthy. If there’s ever a next time for those of you who have some grasp on the basics, I remind you that you must bring your A game. As of right now, I found nothing of theirs that was worth the paper it was printed on. So, I am voting accordingly.
Isn't it strange how suddenly a Hugo Award requires a work at the level of Zelazny's or Asimov's best to merit beating No Award? As I have repeatedly pointed out, every single work nominated this year is better than last year's winners. The SJWs were the ones who declared that the likes of Redshirts and Chicks Dig Time Lords and "Equoid" and "If You Give A Dinosaur A Cookie" and "We Have Always Fought" were the very best in science fiction, and everything we have put forward are better than those utter mediocrities.

They made the bed. We're simply stretching out in it. They have nothing about which to complain. But fortunately, one SJW has figured out the massive historical disparity in awards being given out to the /SF Left at the expense of the SF Right:
nickpheas on June 6, 2015 at 5:48 am said:
I see that the Conservatives are bitter and angry and don’t really understand people. While the progressives are more likely to be witty and humane. Is it terribly surprising that the angry bitter writers are less likely to appeal to the general public?
Right, that's probably it. No doubt all that witty humanity being written about the Puppies has been extraordinarily convincing to third parties. Certainly it can't have anything to do with the left-wingers running the biggest publisher in science fiction into the ground being insanely biased against everyone to the right of Chairman Mao.


Irene Gallo is the Creative Director at Tor Books. Needless to say, this is libelous behavior we will be obliged to bring to the attention of the management at Pan Macmillan.

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Blogger Zimri June 06, 2015 12:21 PM  

The dino turd didn't win a Hugo. It won a Nambula from the SFWA. This is in context for SJWs in the guild, but not for the Puppies - who represent a "secession of the plebs".

The Hugo that year went to another gay wish-fulfillment fantasy that was, if possible, even worse: John Chu's "The Water That Falls on You from Nowhere".

Blogger Nate Winchester June 06, 2015 12:23 PM  

I found nothing of theirs that was worth the paper it was printed on.

At least the puppies understand nicknames.

Blogger Harsh June 06, 2015 12:24 PM  

While the progressives are more likely to be witty and humane.

And the 2015 award for cognitive dissonance goes to...

Blogger Harsh June 06, 2015 12:26 PM  

two extreme right-wing to neo-nazi groups

Anyone know where I can get a good swastika tattoo? I didn't realize that we are neo-nazis and I'm falling way behind on my ink.

Blogger beerme #0183 June 06, 2015 12:27 PM  

Please don't emulate mattress girl and film manatee sex as your fan art. We wouldn't want to trigger anyone.

Blogger maniacprovost June 06, 2015 12:33 PM  

Hmm... I think my next far-future title of super-science will be entitled, "Mattress Girls."

Blogger Jourdan June 06, 2015 12:37 PM  

When this thing started, I was supportive in general.

As the ball got rolling, though, I became much more supportive.

When we see pictures of these people, and the absurd things they say (and they are nearly always women, which is instructive), like this ridiculously absurd Gallo quote, I become deadly supportive.

Vox is absolutely right: there is no dealing with these people. They need to be defeated and shut down.

Blogger pdwalker June 06, 2015 12:41 PM  

It's hard to feel anything but contempt for these "winners"

Blogger OldFan June 06, 2015 12:45 PM  

Notice the clever shift in the narrative: "We do not read them because they are BAD People, we do not read them because they are BAD Writers."

Count this as a minor victory, because they now have to pretend that their political bias is not reason enough to exclude us - they have to struggle to retain some semblance of objectivity in their literary choices. They fail miserably due to their reflexive hatred of any opposing idea, but they are at least being forced to try to pretend they are interested in good writing to retain their credibility.

They retreat, so we must now pursue relentlessly!

Anonymous zbignu/Pre-Minion June 06, 2015 12:47 PM  

I've been watching this Sad Puppy situation unfold mostly as a disinterested observer. The fun for me was watching Vox mercilessly skewer these SJW twits but, the more I read, the more I've come to see what a cancer the SJWs are. Whether in the fields of literature,gaming,politics etc... and they need to be beaten down. Though I'm not a professional writer (or an amateur one for that matter) I think I know a good book when I read one. I will definitely be signing up as a judge for next years Hugos. This is something I never would have done but listening to the outright lies and maddeningly smarmy comments from the SJW crowd has pushed me to it.

Anonymous Mike M. (#315) June 06, 2015 12:58 PM  

Libel suit! Duel! Vox, if any of these twits wants an encounter, I'll loan you a case of pistols.

Blogger Jack Ward June 06, 2015 1:34 PM  

Vox: I would like to see your Hugos this year and next. After that, whatever. They need to smell the napalm [morning or evening, all the same].

The Sasquan membership was 9, 260 or some such the last I checked. That surely cannot be mostly sjw types. This year could be crushing [and, its the sjw in the crusher]. So, collect a few Hugos this and next year. Think how nice the photo of you flanked by them with the Med in the background and a really choice bottle of wine on the same table would be. Oh, the noses that could be rubbed in all of it.

Blogger N3 BloG June 06, 2015 1:41 PM  

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Blogger Thucydides June 06, 2015 1:42 PM  

Not only libellous, but stupidly ahistoric as well.

Someone needs to remind the SJW's (on a daily basis) that the principles and day to day functioning of the National Socialist German Worker's Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, for the pedantic) are the ones they are emulating on a day to day basis.

I like to think the principles *we* use are closer to Classical Liberalism, you know, "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"; individual freedom, unfettered property rights and the Rule of Law.

No wonder SJW's hate us, the principles are entirely incompatible.

Blogger Student in Blue June 06, 2015 1:43 PM  

...and of course, GamerGate is the only reason we had enough numbers...!

/s

Do they ever stop to think before they say, or does that barrier between feels and mouth just not exist? Ah, but to ask, is to be answered...

Anonymous BGS June 06, 2015 1:43 PM  

Maybe logical concepts in Blue books are too consistent that leftists can not understand them like the pons asinorum, "bridge of donkeys" from the Aristotle article

I think my next far-future title of super-science will be entitled, "Mattress Girls."

If you where a mattress girl my love, the hugo award winning story of a woman as large as a queen.. size mattress. The sequal of John Chu's "The Urine That Falls on You from Nowhere & is Called Rain".

Anyone know where I can get a good swastika tattoo? Same place as the GayKK robes

Blogger bob k. mando June 06, 2015 1:51 PM  

Irene Gallo's comment also goes a long way towards explaining the Tor lack of support for quality SF and outright refusal to publish.

as i pointed out to Capt Slow so long ago, the schools and uni's are turning these narcissistic naval gazing attention whores out at an alarming rate.

Anonymous Teenage Jail June 06, 2015 1:52 PM  

@zbignu/Pre-Minion (and anyone else thinking "I've got to get in on this. I'm signing up next year."):

You can still sign up to vote this year. https://sasquan.swoc.us/sasquan/reg.php

Blogger IM2L844 June 06, 2015 1:54 PM  

It's simply bizarre to claim pugnacious leftism more humane than centuries of documented acts of compassion, tolerance and understanding on the right. Is there an absurdity one-upmanship contest going on or something?

Blogger Bogey June 06, 2015 1:54 PM  

Seriously, she's a creative director at Tor?

Dudes, it's even worse than I imagined.

Anonymous MendoScot June 06, 2015 1:57 PM  

Oh look.

Baen released The Year’s Best Military SF & Space Opera edited by David Afsharirad on June 2, at the same time throwing open voting for the work in the volume most deserving of the accolade “Year’s Best Military and Adventure Science Fiction Story.”

The award honors the best of the best in this grand storytelling tradition, and its winner will receive an inscribed plaque and a $500 prize.


Cohort! To arms!

Blogger Jack Ward June 06, 2015 2:03 PM  

9316: Latest Sasquan members. You know, that puppy [pun intended] might just crack 10K.
The promoters of Sasquan have got to be drooling; daily.

Blogger The Deuce June 06, 2015 2:09 PM  

I recall Larry saying not to write off Tor entirely but... really?

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 06, 2015 2:11 PM  

There are two extreme right wing to neo-nazi groups

That's funny we're usually viewed as extremely timorous and apologetic neo-nazis by actual nazis. Well at least someone thinks we're bringing something to the party. I suppose that's...a thing...I guess.

...they are calling for an end to Social Justice in science fiction and fantasy.

We aren't calling for it. Their sales numbers are calling for it. Their numbers are demanding it in fact. Filling a market niche is not demanding anything but the acceptance of reality and that is a horror beyond imaging to an SJW.

They are repentantly racist, misogynistic and homophobic.

Mrs Torgersen in particular is noted for her devotion to the cause of White Supremacy. Not that it really matters. The SJWs and the SJWs alone get to decide what the definition of those words are. And by are I mean, feels like. Under those circumstances a black woman could easily qualify for the chairmanship of the Ku Klux Klan's Lady's Auxiliary, so far as they are concerned. Its feelings that matter. Feeeeeeelinnnngs.


A Noisy few..


Well it's hard to lie about everything. Hey, you try it sometime if you think its so easy. Occasionally a bit of truth has to slip through the cracks.

but they've been able to gather some gamergate folks around them

That's back on form. That even felt better didn't it, honey?

and elect a slate of bad-to-reprehensible works on this year's Hugo ballot.

If that was our goal, we would have only nominated works by Rachel Swirsky Which we might want to look into next year or better yet write own mission specific SJW fiction. Now that would be hilarious.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 06, 2015 2:36 PM  

Let's see. In addition to the professional categories, there is Best Fan Writer, Best Related Work, and perhaps I can throw a few doodles together for Best Fan Artist while I'm at it.

Submit a picture of a red Indian, complete with feathers, sadomasochistically abusing a white woman. I want to watch the contortions as they complain about that.

Anonymous Trimegistus June 06, 2015 2:36 PM  

This is as good a place as any to put down a marker for My Hugo Predictions:

I'm basing these on two main principles. The first is that no faction is as large and well-organized as its opponents believe, so attempts at "tactical" voting won't work. The second is that most fans are unfamiliar with all the nominees and tend to vote for the most recognizable name in the list.

DISCLAIMER: This is not my list of works I'm voting for, or works I think deserve to win. This is my attempt to predict who's actually going home with one.

With all that in mind:

BEST NOVEL:
Probably Three-Body Problem, because it has gotten a lot of publicity and it's by a foreigner and foreigners have magic powers. If not that, then one of the two by well-known authors: Skin Game or Dark Between the Stars.

BEST NOVELLA:
Probably Flow, simply because it appeared in Analog.

BEST NOVELETTE:
Either Lerner or Flynn's story will win, again because they're in Analog and both men have been writing for a long time.

BEST SHORT STORY:
Probably A Single Samurai, because it's in a Baen anthology.

BEST RELATED WORK:
Letters from Gardner, because people know who Gardner Dozois is and there's no math.

BEST GRAPHIC STORY:
Saga. Comic book geeks love Saga.

BEST MOVIE (why do we call it "dramatic presentation?" has anyone ever nominated a play or an opera?)
Interstellar. It's serious and science-y and doesn't have superhero germs.

BEST TV EPISODE (again, why the evasion of "short form"?)
Doctor Who, duh.

BEST SHORT EDITOR
Mike Resnick, because most people don't know who those other people are and Vox Day is supposed to be scary.

BEST LONG EDITOR
Either Toni Weisskopf or Jim Minz. I don't know who votes for this category anyway.

BEST PRO ARTIST
Julie Dillon, because she is first on the list and nobody who isn't an artist or art director cares about this fucking award.

BEST SEMIPROZONE
Why do we even have this category? I'll bet on Lightspeed.

BEST FANZINE
Probably everyone will vote for Black Gate because it's first on this list and nobody gives a fuck about fanzines, and since that's been withdrawn it'll bounce to the second one on the list so congratulations to Steven Diamond.

BEST FANCAST
First on the list wins. Adventures in SF Publishing.

BEST FAN WRITER

Probably Laura Mixon because her Bradley got a lot of exposure so her name will be vaguely familiar. Or Cedar Sanderson because her name sounds kind of like Brandon Sanderson who's a big name.

BEST FAN ARTIST
Has anyone ever given a fuck about this category? Did people once actually give out Hugos for the best amateur paintings of Spock? Why do we have this category?

CAMPBELL AWARD
Likely Wesley Chu, because his books have sold pretty well. Or maybe the large contingent of IT Guys will recognize Eric's name and vote for him.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 06, 2015 2:38 PM  

I also want to watch the download counter go up :-).

Anonymous Scintan June 06, 2015 2:42 PM  

I've been watching this Sad Puppy situation unfold mostly as a disinterested observer. The fun for me was watching Vox mercilessly skewer these SJW twits but, the more I read, the more I've come to see what a cancer the SJWs are.

SJWs are as hostile to fellow leftists as they are to those on the right side of the political aisle. Just ask people like Alec Baldwin and Brendan Eich

Anonymous Scintan June 06, 2015 2:44 PM  

If that was our goal, we would have only nominated works by Rachel Swirsky Which we might want to look into next year or better yet write own mission specific SJW fiction. Now that would be hilarious.

I could enjoy the puppies putting together a slew of 'If you were a ...., my love" stories, and getting them to sweep the short stories nominations.

Now THAT would be a fire worth setting.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 06, 2015 2:53 PM  

I found nothing of theirs that was worth the paper it was printed on.

Rhetoric is all they have, and they're not even any good at that. If she'd spoken positively about a couple woks on the Puppy slates -- which wouldn't be that hard, since they aren't composed entirely of unmentionable badthink writers -- then she might have convinced someone with her negative reviews. But across-the-board bashing like this isn't going to convince anyone. It's just signaling to other SJWs, so they can pat her on the back and tell her how courageous she is, while yet more observers notice she's proving the Puppies' point.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 June 06, 2015 2:55 PM  

The desperation and fear are palpable. She badly wants people to believe her in order to protect her phony baloney job.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 06, 2015 3:01 PM  

@bob k mando

"as i pointed out to Capt Slow so long ago, the schools and uni's are turning these narcissistic naval gazing attention whores out at an alarming rate."

I guess when they've championed style over substance for so long, they just cram in whatever is handy - and it's always a product of a really ugly id.

I remember having a complete inability to to communicate with some SJW type who kept wanting me to kiss the ring about some dreck by saying over and over again, "But look at that writing! That's really a perfect example of how it's done! [vis-a-vis college creative writing...] The style is just so amazing! It's just such a pleasure to read." There's an unsuspendable disbelief when somebody wants the style of the writing to make up for having more moral evil content than discussing drawing on the hallway walls with smeared feces. "Don't you love the use of parallelism" doesn't trump "you're holding up vile moral rot and call evil good and good evil."

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii June 06, 2015 3:13 PM  

They are folks who A) want their con to succeed and B) want to be accepted as cool kids. They are simultaneously crying out with glee "Holy Shit" and soiling their small clothes.
Worst part is, they're innocent. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I would feel sorry for them, put I have to get my slow cooker ready for some rabbit stew.

Anonymous tiredofitall June 06, 2015 3:15 PM  

"I recall Larry saying not to write off Tor entirely but... really?" - The Deuce

After being burnt by a few SJW message fiction books I decided the only money Tor is gonna get from me is if it has a recognizable name like Card or Wright on it.

It sucks that I might miss out on a brilliant new writer's books since Tor feels the need to push out utter shit because the gatekeepers like it, but so be it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 06, 2015 3:27 PM  

@Scintan

I could enjoy the puppies putting together a slew of 'If you were a ...., my love" stories, and getting them to sweep the short stories nominations.

Now THAT would be a fire worth setting.


It shouldn't be that hard.

Lord Trelvis the most beautiful centaur in the corps of royal archers, upon the eve of his arranged marriage to Lady Vulveena has strange longings awoken in him when he ridden bareback by Crown Prince Branadoc The Horse Botherer...

Anonymous Laz June 06, 2015 3:29 PM  

"Lady Vulveena"

LMAO! Classic.

Anonymous Daniel June 06, 2015 3:34 PM  

Don't stop winning Hugos until you can spell out JOHN SCALZI TOUCHED ME using only rockets.

I understand having no interest in a prestigious award, but it has long since been that. "Ridiculous" is the Hugo's only shot at redemption now.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 06, 2015 3:35 PM  

Someone posted this over on Larry's page.

http://girlgeniusadventures.com/2014/01/29/a-tale-of-two-tors-be-warned-im-annoyed/


Holy hell. Now THAT is a well-run business. With indie publishing blossoming and that management in place I wouldn't bet on it lasting another ten years.

Blogger ray June 06, 2015 3:53 PM  

A vineyard of red wine for Gallo and her fellow fascists.

Blogger Torial (#170) June 06, 2015 4:00 PM  

Re: #32

I agree with this completely -- I found the story about the World turning Upside down to be moral rot -- the prose was ok/decent -- but man was the main character a whiner who was so self-absorbed he let someone die, abandoned a kid (of the woman he let die) with some wacky people, etc..

Blogger luagha June 06, 2015 4:30 PM  

As for 'Flow' I have been reading it for a while. It's very descriptive, has background on the main character, who is going on a fish-out-of-water trip to a new land and seeing all kinds of new things....

But nothing has HAPPENED. I kept waiting for a plot to emerge, and it didn't. I got bored and left.

Blogger Torial (#170) June 06, 2015 4:37 PM  

I'm leaving Flow off my hugo list for Novella (will leave the 5th slot blank). While reading it, I kept coming up with two thoughts: a) This is mundane. b) Numerous instances of the trope of "calling a rabbit a smeerp".

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) June 06, 2015 5:03 PM  

Slightly OT but relevant:

Can someone who's substantially read in both camps recommend what they believe to be the best of of the rabbits and the worst of the Puppies/CH?

Anonymous Pax Romana June 06, 2015 5:09 PM  

"Libel suit! Duel! Vox, if any of these twits wants an encounter, I'll loan you a case of pistols."

And I have some rapiers, if you would prefer to "stick it to them." Also, the irony of using that peculiarly named weapon against an SJW is poetic justice.

Anonymous FP June 06, 2015 5:44 PM  

Re 38

Not surprising at all and infuriating. I'm sure the facebook campaign they're asking for will be deemed harassment by the sjw crowd

Blogger Nate June 06, 2015 6:05 PM  

so we've established that you can get a work nominated with just 30 or 40 votes.

And we've proven that we have over 350 minions... numbered and everything.

So what is it with these constant claims of gamergate involvement?

Blogger Franz Lionheart June 06, 2015 6:07 PM  

You can still sign up to vote this year.
https://sasquan.swoc.us/sasquan/reg.php


I'm quite embarrassed I don't have my Sasquan ticket yet. And neither my minion badge. I have done my nominations using my existing LonCon membership, but it was only valid for the nominations, not for the main vote. So I guess I have to spend another $40, or rather £26.

First thing tomorrow morning! ... Sunday morning

Anonymous Steve June 06, 2015 6:10 PM  

Elocutioner0226 - I work in a big corporate so can relate to some of that guy's complaints about Tor. Big corporates are sluggish, process-bound labyrinths with plenty of room for mediocrities and outright incompetents to hide. The good people in big companies are often overloaded with work, saturated with email, and lack the decision-making authority to deal with unusual situations. Their line managers may or may not care about anything they kick up the tree. If it isn't a multi-million pound contract or a politically connected partner or client, they'll struggle to get anything outside the cookie cutter business-as-usual treatment.

But Tor isn't a big corporate. It has fewer than 200 employees, according to LinkedIn. Furthermore, Patrick Neilsen Hayden doesn't appear to be overworked - he has plenty of time to Twitter and write forum posts on Making Light.

So I must conclude the man is just an unprofessional twat.

Can SJW's do anything right?

Blogger maniacprovost June 06, 2015 6:16 PM  

Can someone who's substantially read in both camps

Upon review, I discover that the rabbits are mostly non-writers, or I have avoided their works due to the boring dustjacket descriptions. As a result I have not read much rabbit-fic.

best of of the rabbits
Bless Your Mechanical Heart is basically an anthology of robot-flavored feels using SJW canards as plot points. It's decent and included in the editor's category Hugo packet. Also Rat Queens was better than Ms. Marvel, despite the carpet munching grrl power snark.

worst of the Puppies/CH
Out of the Hugo nominees I've read, I didn't think The Parliament of Beasts and Birds stood by itself. It's hard to call it the worst, given the quality of writing and imagery which is clearly above many of the other works, but I thought the plot was weak and not well foreshadowed/tied together/whatever you need to do to make a weak plot work.

Anonymous cecilhenry June 06, 2015 6:17 PM  

The typical PC anti-freedom attitude:

If we don;t like what you say--- you must be a nazi, hater or some other pejorative.

Expanding their point of view is not something they do.

Blogger VD June 06, 2015 6:21 PM  

So what is it with these constant claims of gamergate involvement?

The alternative is to believe that I have sufficient followers on my own to trump their collective efforts. This is very frightening to them. Too scary to contemplate. Ergo, it must have been GamerGate.

They do have a certain illogic one can follow so long as one can determine the relevant emotional logic-substitute.

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) June 06, 2015 6:22 PM  

@ maniacprovost

Thanks.

Blogger bob k. mando June 06, 2015 6:27 PM  

30. Cail Corishev June 06, 2015 2:53 PM
If she'd spoken positively about a couple woks on the Puppy slates -- which wouldn't be that hard, since they aren't composed entirely of unmentionable badthink writers



hell, look at how many puppy noms have requested that their works be removed from consideration because of the puppy affiliation.

there is ( was ) LOTS of shit on the Puppy slates which is "non-Puppy".

of course, IF she were to acknowledge that THEN she'd have to construct an actual critique about how all works appreciated by the Puppies suck.

and that may be hewing just a bit too close to the line of rejecting all of the old, beardy white man stuff like Heinlein and Bester and etc.

otherwise, she has to explain why our taste used to not suck.

and she's not going to do that.



32. MrGreenMan June 06, 2015 3:01 PM
I guess when they've championed style over substance


they're not championing 'style' over anything.

they're championing a delusional, self centered world view in which everyone else bows their knee any time a SJWhorierrer throws a temper tantrum.

you'll notice that this is a common thread through all of these recent SJW flareups, Trans Jenner, Mattress Girl, the Justice Brothers ( have been doing this for decades ), etc. they all demand submission before their public temper tantrums ... never mind how much they are lying and slandering other people.



38. Elocutioner0226 June 06, 2015 3:35 PM
Holy hell. Now THAT is a well-run business.



from what Wright has been saying, my impression was that the higher ups had put out word that no more effort would be put into that disgusting Catholic, John C. Wright, and that he couldn't get ahold of his editor because the ed's hands were tied and didn't want to deal with the embarrassment of having to explain to John that there was nothing he could do.

the Foglio thing though ... Phil has been in the self pubbing biz a LONG time. hopefully Phil and Kaja have figured out that they need to include a 'failure to perform' clause in their next publishing contract. this "5 year, no compete" clause when Tor has no interest in doing anything with it is just stupid.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 June 06, 2015 7:14 PM  

No matter how much a prog-tard loves Pokemon right-think points, you'd think they would know not to badmouth the competition. I've never seen that work out for anybody. In fact, I recall a few spectacular implosions. But rabbits are gonna rabbit.

Blogger Quizzer W June 06, 2015 7:41 PM  

#48 Steve "Can SJW's do anything right?"

Yes. They are good at making up long words, moving goalposts, and lawfare. Credit where it is due.

Blogger Nate June 06, 2015 7:42 PM  

"The alternative is to believe that I have sufficient followers on my own to trump their collective efforts."

But there is no contemplation necessary. 367 > 40. I don't care how much your hamster runs... that ain't gonna change

Blogger Nate June 06, 2015 7:43 PM  

"Yes. They are good at making up long words, moving goalposts, and lawfare."

judging by the way the SFWA handled things... they aren't very good at lawfare.

Anonymous The other robot June 06, 2015 7:46 PM  

In September, 1973, Ursula K. Le Guin's story 'The Word for World is Forest' won the Science Fiction Achievement Award (Hugo) for best novella. This is a story of how primitive but artistic and likable peoples defeat technologically sophisticated but loutish star men.

Reminds me of the crap from James Cameron I have never bothered to watch.

Blogger James Dixon June 06, 2015 8:12 PM  

> I could enjoy the puppies putting together a slew of 'If you were a ...., my love" stories, and getting them to sweep the short stories nominations.

Anyone up to writing a time travel story in which Vox takes a substantial quantity of fully automatic weapons and small artillery back to arm his native American tribe and takes back the continent from the palefaces? Depending on your preferences, you could give GRRM's rape scenes a run for their money, and the torture scenes of the captured politicians would be worth doing in their own right.

Blogger Quizzer W June 06, 2015 8:17 PM  

I admire your optimism, Nate. The list of laws the left has forced into being through court action (at least in the USA) is depressingly large.

And not to nit, but SFWA may have forced Vox out illegally, but he also isn't being invited to their super-secret meetings. At least not that we know of :)

Anonymous Giuseppe June 06, 2015 9:11 PM  

Tweeted at @Torbooks that I demand an immediate apology, as I am on long-time record as being against anything Nazi-like. It may do nothing but let's swamp this lying bitch with the well-known SJW tactic of exposing their nature to their employers and letting the employer know it will definitely affect their bottom line. I will never buy a Tor book again unless they completely get rid of all these fascist thought police who go around calling normal people Nazis.

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 06, 2015 9:48 PM  

@Giueseppe

Is there really another Orson Scott Card book that you need?

Blogger automatthew June 06, 2015 10:07 PM  

MrGreenMan,

Tor also publishes Gene Wolfe and Michael Flynn. I'm not going to not buy Gene Wolfe books.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 06, 2015 10:20 PM  

Cataline S wrote:

"Lord Trelvis the most beautiful centaur in the corps of royal archers, upon the eve of his arranged marriage to Lady Vulveena has strange longings awoken in him when he ridden bareback by Crown Prince Branadoc The Horse Botherer..."

I... I... am speechless. It's like...I want you to write it as a short story, but it's wrong, oh, so wrong. And yet...so deserving of an SJW Hugo. I am conflicted...

Anonymous The other robot June 06, 2015 10:30 PM  

Tor also publishes Gene Wolfe and Michael Flynn. I'm not going to not buy Gene Wolfe books.

Buy them from a second-hand book shop.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 06, 2015 10:57 PM  

Mrs Torgersen in particular is noted for her devotion to the cause of White Supremacy.
Considering that she married a white guy there could be some truth to that.

#48 Steve "Can SJW's do anything right?" If you can get them to not scrape their teeth they are OK at BJs

I could enjoy the puppies putting together a slew of 'If you were a ...., my love" stories,

From "If you where a broken space diamond window my love": The Hugo award winning story of free market Austrian capitalism and the broken windows fallacy.
"They awoke to a crashing sound ... Someone had thrown a McGuffin through the gay wedding cake bakery's most beautiful space diamond window. Who could have done such a thing? Upon the McGuffin was the mark of the interplanetary Archlord of Hate Voxemort."

No matter how much a prog-tard loves Pokemon right-think points,

Are we trying to hide Potemkin/"Potyomkin village from the conversation or do you mean they are thinking about trying to catch them all?

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami June 06, 2015 11:40 PM  

I don't follow all the SJW topics here, so if this one hasn't been posted yet, enjoy.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit June 07, 2015 1:32 AM  

The worst of the SJW titles, for values of " worst" = "poor writing" is Ancillary Sword. Snag a copy of Cherryh's Merchanteer's Luck; Bujold's Cetaganda; or any of Kris Rusch's The Disappeared: read any page at random. Now read a random sample of Ancillary Sword.

You will immediately notice that all of these women SF writers; all of whom are writing the same kind of SF-nal story, are all save Leckie, deluded into using the tools of the patriarchy. Sentence structure, punctuation, plot.


AJ is a writer's guide on how not to write. The story is excellent. The characters, reasonably interesting, if the "humans as aliens" trope appeals. Even the "message" amused me (I wonder if Leckie is punking her SJW supporters?) as the alternate reality in which all the dreams of gender-neutrality come true is a vile oppressive, evil police state which the protagonist opposes. But it's still very much run-of-the mill space opera.

The only thing that really stands out is a mis-handled pronoun swap (Leckie keeps slipping, and dropping in "sir" and "parent" and "sib" etc.) and astonishingly bad basic writing.

Anonymous tiredofitall June 07, 2015 2:07 AM  

"AJ is a writer's guide on how not to write. The story is excellent." - The Overgrown Hobbit

LOL...no it's not. It's 416 pages of utter shit.

Anonymous Laz June 07, 2015 2:15 AM  

On the Foglio vs Tor thing: How can their graphic novel(s) be a competing product when Tor isn't publishing graphic novels and has no plans to?

Anonymous Eric Ashley June 07, 2015 2:17 AM  

The 'Girl Genius' card game by the Foglios was great. Nice art, very pretty, relatable,humorous, lovely stuff.

Feel free to hire the Foglios to do the cover art on an appropriately silly novel for CH, IMHO.

.....The Dark Lord Voxemort looked down from his spire-topping palacio at the dripping heads of his enemies even as ravens flocked in a cawing cloud. Some of the heads were but mere bone.

Scalzi's head head a robin's egg nest from which the over bold bird scolded the large feathered carrion come to feast. And even as he watched this, a coiled fury, born of the darkness, rose up within in, and he whispered.

"Not enough."

With that he spun, his leather smoking jacket formed from the skin of two land-whales flapped behind him with the large, bejowled faces forever tailing in the dust which waited until the Dread One passed to fall. Without a word to the Lady of the Spiked Whip which set her to wondering what her error was, and the multitude of Vile Faceless Minions fell on their faces as he went down, down into the dungeon, and then to the secret passage, and from thence to the Other Gate, and down further, if such a word has a meaning in that squamous and untoward space until he came to a chamber in which something not quite a man, but loyal beyond death waited.
"Make me a door into...." And for a moment, even the courage of the Dread Lord failed, or actually, he needed a cough drop.
"The Never Never?" The Thing asked.
"The Beyond?" The Dread one snarled, and the Thing fell back.
"Yggdrasil."
"You dare Odin and Hela."
"Pah. It has come to me in a vision, that as the Tree is a function of Space so it must be of Time. I shall dig back down into the Tree, and come out at an earlier date."
"Before the SJW's..."
"Think deeper."
"1968 to napalm Woodstock?"
"Hah, I like you Thing From Another Dimension Not to Be Described by Mortal Man. But no...instead, I shall go back to the Day Before."
"Before the Curse of the White Man touched the Holy Land, and turned all Reds into Johnnie Reds?"
"Yessssssssss."

The Dread Lord spun again.

"And I'm bringing a squadron of our Main Battle Tanks..."
"Not the Kratman O94 sir, the UN has declared them 'inhumane'." The Thing gasped.
"Yes. Oh, one more thing."
"Yes?"
"Use the Ringo Petawatt Space Mirror system to melt the UN building into a pudding. Be sure to finish the creme brulee' of concrete and blood with my signature. Use thousand pound bombs to etch out my name."

Blogger maniacprovost June 07, 2015 3:28 AM  

If You Were a Dread Lord, My Lord...

If you were a Dread Lord, my lord, then you would carry a sword, my lord, the better to lead the faceless horde... unto death.
If you led a vile, faceless horde of minions, I would be one of those minions, my lord, because even though I love my beautiful face, it aches from laughing at the drivel spewed from the writhing, bloated bodies of our enemies... and that's before we get hold of them.
If we get hold of them, we will limit their internet access to two hours a day, and force them to get some exercise out in the sun. Those who fail to properly recite from The Fountainhead will be pelted with Doritos which they are forbidden to eat, and forced to run until the oil sleets from their flesh like a melting candle.
If oil sleets from their flesh like a melting candle, we will claim renewable energy credits and use it to fuel pyres under the moonless midnight sky, to drive away the abhumans.
If we drive away the abhumans, we will write about our triumph on Windows or Linux-based PCs, or possibly Chromebooks, but definitely not any product made by Apple.
If we write about our triumph, it will win a Hugo next year, my Dread Lord.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 07, 2015 3:31 AM  

Gallo's Mgmt have promoted that talking point and Gallo was the vessel, uh-oh, Mgmt has a image problem.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 07, 2015 3:33 AM  

I remain Team Sad Adorable baby pups and Team Rabid rambunctious pups.

SJW'n isn't rational, their positions are not rational or remotely entertaining.

Anonymous Steve June 07, 2015 6:04 AM  

Quizzer W - Yes. They are good at making up long words, moving goalposts, and lawfare.

Also, eating.

BigGaySteve - If you can get them to not scrape their teeth they are OK at BJs

Nobody wants a BJ from Jimmy Savile.

Eric Ashley - you had me at "napalm Woodstock" :)

Maniacprovost - Those who fail to properly recite from The Fountainhead will be pelted with Doritos which they are forbidden to eat

So cruel.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 07, 2015 7:43 AM  

@Giuseppe

(*Cataline bows*)

Blogger bob k. mando June 07, 2015 11:08 AM  

70. Laz June 07, 2015 2:15 AM
On the Foglio vs Tor thing: How can their graphic novel(s) be a competing product when Tor isn't publishing graphic novels and has no plans to?



Tor was going to try to break into the GN market, and the established Foglio work was going to be their wedge.

only, PNH is so fucking incompetent, Tor is managing to undersell some schmuck on the internet who has zero marketing budget and no brick and mortar distribution network.

consider that, and consider that carefully.

Patrick Nielsen Hayden has so little business acumen that EVEN WITH every advantage that the 'standard' publishing model provides and the international contacts ... he can't sell as many copies of a GN as Phil Foglio can off of a webfront store.

Blogger James Dixon June 07, 2015 1:39 PM  

> Patrick Nielsen Hayden has so little business acumen that EVEN WITH every advantage that the 'standard' publishing model provides and the international contacts ... he can't sell as many copies of a GN as Phil Foglio can off of a webfront store.

Being a reader of Girl Genius, my loyalty and money goes to Foglio's (I've been reading Phil since the Phil and Dixie days back in the Dragon). I prefer to cut out the middleman. If it's someone like PNH, so much the better.

Blogger Engineer-Poet June 07, 2015 4:20 PM  

"I decided the only money Tor is gonna get from me is if it has a recognizable name like Card or Wright on it."

Even then you can get burned.  "Earth Unaware" has a bit of Card-like feeling in the Earthside sequences, but all of the spaceside stuff is "we are the world" anti-corporate SJW message fiction without a hint of proper orbital mechanics or even basic physics (how ignorant do you have to keep yourself to write that gamma rays contain protons?).  And they made Mazur Rackham a Maori, which I don't recall having seen before.  Card has always included some racial tokens, but EU takes it to gag-inducing lengths.

The only way I am reading another Tor book is if I can get it for free and not contribute even to library circulation figures.  The other two Ender's Game prequels are on the shelf in town, and I'm leaving them there.  Enough is enough.

Anonymous VFM.0157 aka Forrest Bishop June 07, 2015 7:41 PM  

OT, but not totally. Military archery wasn't always like what is popularly depicted.

This man has more or less proven that. What he does is just amazing!

Lars Andersen Archery - Is it Real? An historian backs that up. Imagine a MilSF or a Tolkein story with people like this in it.

Blogger Michael Z. Williamson June 08, 2015 2:10 AM  

Lars Andersen is a trick shooter using a light draw bow at close range. His resemblance to real archery is the same as that of a trick pistolero popping balloons or shooting aspirin with ratshot in the parlour with a highly modified revolver.

Blogger Michael Z. Williamson June 08, 2015 2:12 AM  

I'm also not sure how that's at all on topic.

Blogger epobirs June 08, 2015 5:34 AM  

Yesterday there was a Twitter discussion about what you'd do if came into an insane amount of money and could engage in extraordinary indulgences. I offered that I would toss some big checks at people who've given me a lot of free entertainment, like RiffTrax and Red Letter Media. I also suggested I'd buy a complete set of Girl Genius for every library in the country.

Now I'm thinking I'd like to buy Tor's entire inventory of that hardback and just give them to Phil and Kaja to do with as they pleased.

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