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Tuesday, June 16, 2015

We DON'T care

RapeSquared is still crying about the Hugo Awards:
What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us. You've hurt people, and you go on hurting people, and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.
Tell it to the VFM. We don't seem to care? That hardly does our perspective justice. Seriously, what part of "we don't care" is hard to understand? We don't belong to your creepy rape-fetish kiddy-diddling community and we never wanted to belong to it. We just like reading good science fiction stories and your little community of freaks is standing squarely in the way of that these days. We're not trying to destroy it, we'd just as soon go back to not really being aware that it existed, but we certainly don't care if we happen to inadvertently bulldoze the freakshow in pursuit of our objectives.

If you want to blame someone for the current situation, GRRM, you should blame Patrick Nielsen Hayden. If he and the Toad of Tor hadn't launched their unprovoked public attacks on me, if they had simply left a nationally syndicated opinion columnist alone to do his job writing opinion columns, and if the toadies and torlings hadn't followed their lead and enthusiastically piled on, then I would have happily continued to ignore your very special collection of child molesters, shambling shoggoths, gamma males, and bearded weirdos of various sexes. And if you are foolish enough to continue attacking us for doing nothing more than defending ourselves and expressing our opinions, then we will certainly begin to care about your very special community.

But I don't think you're going to like it if we do.

On a tangential note, how can you not want to read John C. Wright's Hugo-nominated TRANSHUMAN AND SUBHUMAN: Essays on Science Fiction and Awful Truth with an unsolicited endorsement like this?

Then there were the “Transhuman and Subhuman” essays. Admittedly, they aren’t stories, but in that case, being “hit over the head” doesn’t properly describe the experience. Rather, reading the author’s extremely non-mainstream views felt like being at ground zero of a nuclear explosion after being dosed with anthrax and sprayed with nerve gas.

And here I thought science fiction was all about "dangerous visions" and unconventional thinking outside the mainstream. But needless to say, the last sentence is absolutely going on the back of the hardcover. So, what is your favorite essay from the collection? Mine is "The Big Three of Science Fiction", with "John C. Wright's Patented One-Session Lesson in the Mechanics of Fiction" being a close second.

And speaking of a desire for good stories, it's good to learn that Terry Pratchett's daughter has decided to prevent the further tarnishing of her father's literary legacy:
Terry Pratchett’s daughter has said she does not intend to write any Discworld novels, or give “anyone else permission to do so”. The legendary fantasy writer died in March this year at the age of 66. He had been suffering from Alzheimer’s.

Pratchett finished writing the 41st book of his hugely popular Discworld series in the summer of 2014: The Shepherd’s Crown will be released in the UK in August by Doubleday Children’s. Pratchett’s daughter Rhianna released a picture of the cover for The Shepherd’s Crown on Twitter, and in response to a fan who asked if it was the “final final” book by her father, confirmed that it would be.

She later added: “To reiterate - No I don't intend on writing more Discworld novels, or giving anyone else permission to do so. They are sacred to dad.”
In retrospect, I wish Pratchett had stopped with Making Money. The books that followed were noticeably inferior, although it wasn't until Snuff that it became obvious that Pratchett simply wasn't able to write anymore. It would be nice of The Shepherd's Crown turns out to be one last hurrah for Discworld, but I'm not optimistic.

95 Comments:

Blogger RL (#0052) June 16, 2015 8:13 AM  

Rather, reading the author’s extremely non-mainstream views felt like being at ground zero of a nuclear explosion after being dosed with anthrax and sprayed with nerve gas.

This is a wonderful sentence. Given Mr. Wright's opinions of the Left, this should greatly please him.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo #0368 June 16, 2015 8:15 AM  

I'm not Christian, but I'm clear-headed enough and historically-literate enough that I can appreciate the good things that Christianity has done for Western Civilization (I still think that Greek and Roman influences are stronger); so I can read JCW and enjoy his writings. His 'Meat Robot Letters' were hilariously entertaining, and I absolutely agreed with him without ever having to believe in such a thing as a soul.

Coupled with Vox's recommendation (Vox kinda reminds me of Paulk's ahistorical Impaler, and that was hugely entertaining), I decided to buy the book. Hopefully I'll enjoy it.

I usually hate reading 'transhuman' stuff, because some people who like writing about it are obsessed with what I read as a transplanting of Nietzsche's 'ubermensch' onto the cybernetically-augmented people that they write about. Whereas I don't find the prospect of people having machine augmentations to be of significant moral import at all. So this stuff does for me what 'If You Were a -D-o-u-c-h-b-a-g- Dinosaur' does for Vox; it's boring, pretentious, and doesn't speak to me at all.

Hopefully JCW can entertain me. I suppose believing in souls will make that easier; even if I don't think souls are physically real, I think the concept has *some* real analogue.

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 June 16, 2015 8:15 AM  

What I am saying is that you and your monster hunters have dealt a terrible wound to a vampiric nest that was very special to many of us. You've hurt monsters, and you go on hurting monsters, and you don't seem to care... about the blood-sucking, about the great coven, about destroying souls, about any of it.

I fixed the original quote.

Anonymous Strange Aeons June 16, 2015 8:26 AM  

"The emptiness of the Puppy arguments is indicated clearly by how much time they seem to spend in coming up with new insulting terms for those who oppose them. The facts are against them, logic is against them, history is against them, so they go for sneers and mocking names. "

What they lack in creativity or integrity, at least the rabbits have an unparalleled propensity for weapons-grade projection.
If you were a pot calling the kettle black, my love...

VFM #0017

Blogger Jourdan June 16, 2015 8:28 AM  

Rather, reading the author’s extremely non-mainstream views felt like being at ground zero of a nuclear explosion after being dosed with anthrax and sprayed with nerve gas.

This quote is gold. Pure gold.

You..you..you...EXTREMELY NON-MAINSTREAM people!

Seriously, frickin' delicious.

Anonymous Xenos June 16, 2015 8:32 AM  

If they had simply left a nationally syndicated opinion columnist alone....

Drink!

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 16, 2015 8:42 AM  

What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us. You've hurt people, and you go on hurting people, and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.

Hey butthurt, stop calling us "neo-Nazis" then, you bilious moron.

Anonymous RedJack #22 June 16, 2015 8:49 AM  

They call us nazi's, haters, and tell us to die. They demand we accept people who abuse kids, discard our deeply held beliefs, in exchange for sewer bilge. They want us to abandon the walls of Christendom to some sort of atheistic witchcraft in sparkly vampire skin.

Yet, we are the ones who are hurting them. They have insulted me, demanded I conform, instituted an Inquisition, and yet we are the ones who are evil for fighting back.

Sorry. I don't care. More than that, I care for civilization. Not the current effete watered down one, but the one that built Rome, Constantinople, and Paris.

They have destroyed the foundation, and are mad at those who want to rebuild. They should be happy that we have yet to go all Horde on them.

Anonymous Gecko June 16, 2015 8:49 AM  

This is the man who brought us the Red Wedding and Ned's head in that gritty, edgy, pull-no-punches tale. His tears of unfathomable sadness are unfathomable indeed. And gloriously tasty.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 16, 2015 8:50 AM  

Oh no, are they feeling bad because they've been other'ed? Good. If we were what you've been saying we were for the last few decades you wouldn't BE.

And just a note for the nest of your fellow semi-literate toadies because we know you love to lie about everything - we are fans of SF&F. We don't want to be Truefen or CHORFs or whatever you call yourselves in your swamps of self-delusion. You've made it clear we're not welcome in your little warrens of groupthink. Fine with us. But this is our ground too. If your side hadn't been slowly pushing mine out and had decided to co-exist we wouldn't be here. The incessant lying and name calling and logrolling and career destroying and petty fiefdoms - that's all you. You started this. We're enthusiastic to finish it.

In short - you're the baddies. This doesn't end well for you.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 16, 2015 8:56 AM  

Question for G.R.R. Martin - Why does he like rape so much?

Blogger Dexter June 16, 2015 8:56 AM  

How much did the Left care about my feelings when they shat all over the Bible, the Constitution, America, Western Civilization, marriage, the schools, the universities, the military, art, music, literature, and everything true, beautiful, and good?

Because that's how much I care about their feelings.

Blogger autonazibotthew June 16, 2015 9:03 AM  

felt like being at ground zero of a nuclear explosion after being dosed with anthrax and sprayed with nerve gas.

Sounds like an amygdala highjack.

Anonymous Anarchopurplism June 16, 2015 9:05 AM  

No respect for those who dish it out & cannot take it.

SJW's have no idea how much the silent majority dislikes their philosophy & despises their antics.

The winds of change are blowing. People are tired of the crap they keep pushing on people. This is only the beginning.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 16, 2015 9:07 AM  

Surprised about Pratchett's daughter. It's a pleasant surprise but it is surprise.

It wasn't that long ago that Pratchett signed a ten book contract.

Although thinking over the details. It was supposedly a million dollar advance for ten books which means it was probably about three hundred thousand actual cash in his pocket. He or maybe she delivered a few books on that deal probably enough for the publisher to break even on it.

Anonymous Homesteader June 16, 2015 9:09 AM  

The vile Left cry out as they strike you..

Blogger bob k. mando June 16, 2015 9:12 AM  

Fuck you, George. now, write me another rape scene.

you know how us misogynists lurv rape scenes.

it's why LotR is full of them.

Blogger Russell (106) June 16, 2015 9:18 AM  

For someone who didn't want to debate Vox about this, G. Rape Rape Martin sure can't shut up about it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 16, 2015 9:20 AM  

The first SJW to stop clapping gets the othering. Must suck to be in a cult

Anonymous Khan June 16, 2015 9:20 AM  

George: Vox, you bloodsucker! You're going to have to do your own dirty work now! Do you hear me? Do you? 

Vox: George? you're still alive, my old friend? 

George: Still, "old friend"! You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target! 

Vox: Perhaps I no longer need to try, Rapist...

[Vox beams the Hugo awardsaway] 

George: Vox, you've got the Hugos, but you don't have me. You were going to kill me, Vox. You're going to have to come down here. You're going to have to come down here! 

Vox: I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet... buried alive! Buried alive...! 

George: VOXXXXX!! 
[echo] 
VOXXXXXXX!!

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 16, 2015 9:26 AM  

Yeah, the most impressive thing to me about Terry Pratchett was that he was able to be both riotously funny and morally serious at the same time. To say this is not common is like saying that light moves pretty quickly. And . . . by Snuff, this was just gone. Just completely and totally missing. Considering his last political cause, I'm just glad he didn't die by his own hand.

Blogger darkdoc June 16, 2015 9:28 AM  

I particularly hate whining and pleas for mercy from the once dominant.

Off with the a**holes head. Now.

Blogger AmyJ June 16, 2015 9:32 AM  

No, the proper response is:

"Eeww don't talk to me @rapesquared"

Blogger Herb Nowell June 16, 2015 9:33 AM  

Rhianna Pratchett deserves to be thanked and praised until all children of writers learn. After the horrid example of Frank Herbert's legacy and even Asimov's this is getting to be a problem.

The only posthumous publishing of a SF/F great that has even been remotely defensible of that of Tolkien's writing by Christopher. Even then I think "Children of Hurin" was questionable. I wish Herbert's son had done something similar to the history of Middle Earth with with the seventh Dune novel and related notes if he had to publish at all.

Anonymous Nemo Maximus June 16, 2015 9:35 AM  

To answer Vox's question re: Favorite essays.

1) The Desolation of Tolkein. I read this to my university-age daughter on a road trip. She laughed so hard she could hardly stay between the white lines.

2) "John C. Wright's Patented One-Session Lesson in the Mechanics of Fiction". Amazing look into the craft. Although [spoilers] it does briefly cause one to imagine JCW as a stripper, so it was lucky I was a few hours removed from lunchtime.

Anonymous fish June 16, 2015 9:38 AM  

20. Khan June 16, 2015 9:20 AM

Slow golf clap....and one minor suggestion.

Vox: I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead genre... buried alive! Buried alive...!

Blogger Shimshon June 16, 2015 9:39 AM  

Khan's problem is that he cared way too much.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 16, 2015 9:40 AM  

I keep hearing about how JCW is homophobic, now admittedly I have not read all of his works, & I have thicker skin than most puffs, but can some lurking CHORF please cite examples where he at least ventures into the homophobic range of hip hop/rap available over the airwaves? "If You Where a Debased Dorito Devouring Disingenuous While Liberal My Love", the hugo award winning tale of a Dorito lover who has to pay for sex.

Question for G.R.R. Martin - Why does he like rape so much?

He is buysexual but doesn't make enough money to support his lifestyle. At least he isn't going the Sandra Fluke rout & making me pay

For someone who didn't want to debate Vox about this, G. Rape Rape Martin sure can't shut up about it.

He only speaks in uncontested areas. Is there anyone who posts here that is still able to comment on his blog?

felt like being at ground zero of a nuclear explosion after being dosed with anthrax and sprayed with nerve gas.

That's probably how my one ex felt when I proved he believed in guns because the guards at his gated community had guns, & stood between him and the nearest black/brown person.

George: Vox, you've got the Hugos, but you don't have me. You were going to kill me, Vox. You're going to have to come down here. You're going to have to come down here!

Vox: I have done far worse, I have dropped a pallet of Doritos off at your doorstep, but one of the bags has a deadly poison in it. Can you resist?

Anonymous JamesV June 16, 2015 9:50 AM  

i.e. We appropriated the worldcom, the Hugos, SF to be a mouthpiece for our worldview, marginalized different views while claiming to speak for all of fandom and you are ruining it. Why can't you just stay down while me and my friends snuggle in our special carefully constructed fantasy world. Don't you know it hurts us to so much when you inferiors claim to have the right to contend on a fair playing field.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 16, 2015 9:56 AM  

@BigGaySteve

John C. Wright endorses the orthodox Christian belief that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and that people so inclined are valuable human beings whom Christ died for and who must be loved and respected. Consonant with this, he obviously believes that marriage is between a man and a woman.

If you want to hear it from the Houyhnhnm's own mouth, check this out: http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/01/on-the-sexual-nature-of-man-2/

Blogger Red Bane June 16, 2015 9:59 AM  

Just purchased “Transhuman and Subhuman”

Blogger darkdoc June 16, 2015 9:59 AM  

Vox: I have done far worse, I have dropped a pallet of Doritos off at your doorstep, but one of the bags has a deadly poison in it. Can you resist?

I don't care who you are, that's funny.

Blogger grendel June 16, 2015 10:02 AM  

Had I ever doubted the pinks' derangement, their obsession with hysterical hyperbole about JCW would've opened my eyes. He's so gentlemanly and reasoned about everything. It's not as though he goes about in a litter carried by 10 albino slaves while his herald stalks before him shouting "Crucify the queers, and to the tiger pit with the trannies!"

Although that would be awesome.

Blogger James Dixon June 16, 2015 10:04 AM  

> He is a voice of reason in a sea of venom.

He, in this case, is Eric Flint. When an avowed socialist is your "voice of reason", what does that make the rest of you? And apparently George missed his tearing apart Gallo for her comments.


> I will add one point. The emptiness of the Puppy arguments is indicated clearly by how much time they seem to spend in coming up with new insulting terms for those who oppose them. ... First it was SJWs. Then CHORFs. The latest is "Puppy-kickers." Next week, no doubt, they will have something else. Reading all the blogs and comments that Glyer links to from FILE 770 has convinced me that anyone who starts throwing these terms around can pretty much be discounted; you will find no sense in what they say, only sneers and talking points.

But neo-Nazi, racist, misogynist, and homophobic is just fine, isn't it George?

Blogger Alexander June 16, 2015 10:11 AM  

The best proof of iron-clad crazy emanating from the SJWs is not Wright, it's Burnside.

Science fiction 'enthusiasts' railing against thermodynamics . /golfclap

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 16, 2015 10:15 AM  

I would kill for a blurb like that.

Check that; I will kill for a blurb like that. Someone else of course; of the blurb-writer's choosing.

Dazzling.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 16, 2015 10:26 AM  

Vox is wrong (sorry, Dark Overlord): He says "we don't care." In the case of this Minion I very much care. I want the ugly, vicious, dangerous, degenerate, evil SJW ideology utterly defeated and destroyed. They and their forebears are responsible for mountains of corpses in the 20th century. We now know what they are, what they stand for, and what the results are when they are allowed to gain power. Never again.

Blogger jaericho (#107) June 16, 2015 10:30 AM  

We don't seem to care? Did we stutter? I guess we'll have to enunciate more clearly next time.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 16, 2015 10:32 AM  

SJW's have no idea how much the silent majority dislikes their philosophy & despises their antics.

The winds of change are blowing. People are tired of the crap they keep pushing on people. This is only the beginning.


Indeed. The SJW scum need to understand...It doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing.

Blogger luagha June 16, 2015 10:36 AM  

Much of the John C. Wright is homophobic thing comes from his ranting essay on the end of the fourth so-called season of Avatar: The Legend Of Korra. You can look it up on his website.

Some background: The show, a continuation of the critically acclaimed and totally awesome Avatar: The Last Airbender animated series, involved the next reincarnation of the reincarnating Avatar hero. Where the first Avatar hero was a young asian boy with elemental powers, this Avatar hero was a young tribal eskimo-type girl with elemental powers.

Whereas the young asian boy had to deal with the total takeover of the planet by a nation of totalitarian psychos, the young eskimo girl dealt with anarchists and technologists and spirituality while at the same time trying to navigate a love triangle between the sweet innocent bumbling boy with hidden depths and boundless love versus the studious competent boy with a deep love and an incredible faithfulness who only turns to another woman (a teammate on the side of good) when directly spurned.

During airing, the third season's ratings got so bad that the fourth season, which was bought and paid for and in the middle of the writing/animation process, got yanked from the schedule. They couldn't save any money by stopping the animators and would only piss off the small number of hardcore fans, so it was made into an 'experiment' in which it was only shown streaming on-line.

Given that you know your show has failed and been yanked, what does a leftwing SJW do? As the Beautiful But Evil Space Princess Sarah Hoyt teaches us, you turn harder left, as hard as you can.

Given that they knew they still had fans who would watch the streamed show and that they knew they had to provide some kind of ending, how do they resolve the love triangle? Who does Avatar Korra end up with?!?!

Why, the other woman, of course. They hold hands together and go off into the sunset, totally abandoning both boys. And above all, from a gay man's perspective, the outrageous thing about it is how incredibly poorly it was done. How amazingly out of character, how totally unforshadowed, how breaking in mood and tone. It is obviously a change from whatever ending was planned and could only have been done because of the cancellation. It can only be described as a Jar Jar Binks level travesty.

Any SJW-gay who reads John C. Wright's rant on how and why, as a writer, it's such a travesty thinks he's attacking gays, of course. Because it's all about them, see.

Blogger rcocean June 16, 2015 10:37 AM  

GRRM is upset - or pretends to be upset - at this FIGHTING. But of course all that happening is the SJW's launching one vicious attack after another against the people who had the nerve to vote for people that weren't SJW approved. The SJW's could have simply accepted the Hugo nominations with good grace and campaigned for their guys but instead launched a vicious attack campaign full of hate speech. Now GRRM is upset because some one is counter-attacking the SJW's. Bizarre.

Blogger rcocean June 16, 2015 10:40 AM  

I don't know if GRRM is just another hate filled SJW playing the disingenuous "reasonable man" or whether he really is so blind that he thinks all the nastiness is due to Vox Day and the puppies. I'm beginning to believe the former since he seems so intent on ignoring the facts.

Blogger rcocean June 16, 2015 10:44 AM  

GRRM is upset at terms like SJW because they work. Political labels always work- that's why the SJW's and Left always use them. I was just surprised that the Center-right actually came up with one for the opposition.

Blogger Steveo #238 June 16, 2015 10:59 AM  

G. Rape Rape - in italics

What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us.

Incorrect, you & yours dealt the blows over many years - we are just stitching up the wounds without anesthetic (ok, sometimes with salt but suck it up you wuss.) Oh, and thank you for deciding it isn't special to us - the SF/F community I mean, not the sjw version of it.

You've hurt people,

..though you & yours haven't? Get off the sjw bus & take off the feelbad glasses and look where it's taken you.

and you go on hurting people,

That's where your bus goes, if it winds up in feelbad hurtsville, we don't care. We don't care so much that JCW, Tom Kratman et al, will keep writing great sci/fi and they'll be buried in Hugo rockets like the pharaohs were buried in stone big boy. Deal.

and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.

Did I mention we don't care?. Holy crap I understand why intelligent, thoughtful, critically thinking & productive younger people hate baby boomers. We (tail end, class of '59) surely must be the sjw primordial ooze. Even if there's no evolution it's still sh*t on the floor - help build Western civilization you dick, don't sit around trying to find the laziest way to pull the bricks out of it to sell for feelgood profit crack.

Blogger darkdoc June 16, 2015 11:04 AM  

you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.

"It always has to be on my terms, by my definitions, based of what I like and dislike, who I choose to be important, whose opinion I wish to value, - I,I,I,I,I,me,me,me,me,me,me."

Narcissists can't see life beyond I, I, I, me, me, me, the world must be as I wish it to be.

Welcome to a world NOT defined by you.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 16, 2015 11:05 AM  

"(I still think that Greek and Roman influences are stronger)"

Then you're neither clear-headed or historically literate.

Blogger maniacprovost June 16, 2015 11:06 AM  

Any SJW-gay who reads John C. Wright's rant

I propose we call them sociosexuals.

Anonymous aviendha June 16, 2015 11:12 AM  

Definitely the Hobbit movie sundering.
Vox: You said Hardcover dammit! I want the leather limited edition volume softened with delicious SJW tears...

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 16, 2015 11:16 AM  

Rather, reading the author’s extremely non-mainstream views felt like being at ground zero of a nuclear explosion after being dosed with anthrax and sprayed with nerve gas.

This is supposed to be a bad review? I just purchased the book based on this alone.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo #0368 June 16, 2015 11:17 AM  

@Emmanuel Says you. Greece and Rome were the foundation of the West prior to the coming of Christianity. Older things in a hierarchy tend to have stronger influences than newer things.

I honestly think that Christianity could have gone the "natural law is heresy because it limits God's power" route that Islam did, if the early church leaders hadn't discovered Plato and Aristotle. I am fervently pleased that they did find it, because I think Islam's rejection of natural law is one reason why their theology is basically a dead end, and that dead-end theology traps the rest of their culture.

Blogger El Borak June 16, 2015 11:23 AM  

I want the leather limited edition volume softened with delicious SJW tears...

You could try genuine SJW hide but I'm afraid it might be too thin.

Blogger Daniel June 16, 2015 11:25 AM  

Ultimately the SJWs are upset because our mere existence interrupts the rape trade. Or in the case of ol' "Whiner is Coming" Martin, the rape rape trade.

Blogger Daniel June 16, 2015 11:27 AM  

Ain't nothin genuine about SJW hides, El Borak.

Anonymous BGS June 16, 2015 11:33 AM  

Any SJW-gay who reads John C. Wright's rant

While it might seem unlikely that a woman who has shown no interest in women would just drop guys to be with the smartest person in the world genius/kung foofoo girl, many queers believe its possible. The reason post op trannies have such a high suicide rate is they finally realize that all the people telling them that a STR8 guy might fall in love with them and not care they had been born men, only told them what they wanted to hear. In fact many dykes think that if they just got Momma Druggar drunk + licked her carpet, she would get divorced and forswear men. If Momma Druggar is reading this don't accept drinks from strange women.

Anonymous BGS June 16, 2015 11:36 AM  

If Momma Druggar is reading this don't accept drinks from strange women, especially not these dykes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3120768/The-downfall-Duggars-hate-filled-robocall-photo-lesbian-kiss-exposed-dark-family-secrets.html

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 16, 2015 11:39 AM  

I had thought, until fairly recently, that he was merely a writer who had drifted apart from me. After reading his first book years ago, I was almost glad that I had never been overly tempted to get on board, to be subjected to interminable delays and hopeless bleakness. And that's OK; I don't have to agree with everyone, or like what they do, or whatever. We could have merely been ships passing in the night. But he wants to declare me his enemy? He wants to continually deride me, and insult me, and spread all kinds of damnable lies and calumnies, completely unprovoked and without justification? Fine, I'll be your enemy, if you want it so badly.

George Rape² Martin delenda est.

Anonymous grey enlightenment June 16, 2015 11:40 AM  

I want to read that book

maybe GRRM and Lena Dunham should collaborate on a book since they are both fat and obsessed with rape

Anonymous Giuseppe June 16, 2015 11:45 AM  

George Rape Rape Martin is a conscious and intentional liar. This was obvious from the beginning.
Also he is fat and ugly. These are all observable facts.

As to his being a child molesting rapist that has to pay heavily for any sexual contact at all, but who prefers raping when he can, well, I couldn't possibly comment on such opinions as people may hold.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 16, 2015 11:56 AM  

@WhiteKnightLeo #0368

Yeah... when we start killing unwanted babies in mass, then you might have a solid point.

*Looks at abortion rate*

Oh. Wait. I guess we're more like dirty filthy pagans than we think. Never mind. You're right on this front. :P

"I honestly think that Christianity could have gone the "natural law is heresy because it limits God's power" route that Islam did."

On this contention, though, I must say an empathic: no shithead. Considering natural rights come from fucking God... how the church leaders, or you, would arrive at the conclusion that natural rights limit God's power when he's the fucking source of it... says far more about their mental states and yours than it does about Christianity and the effects of Christian encounters with Greco-Roman (really more Greco than Roman, but whatever) metaphysics prior to Christianity. I'll admit that Aristotle's and Plato's metaphysics had a very large part to play in the Christian Philosophical tradition (even if some of the more erroneous aspects of Aristotle and Plato have done good only as a lesson as how not to do things), but to claim that we can thank the Greeks and Romans for the idea of natural rights, in light of the societies they lived in and that Plato especially advocated for a dictatorship as the best form of government? Get the fuck out of here and take a long walk off a short cliff in bear country during mating seasons while chugging drain cleaner you disingenuous ass.



Blogger camperbot June 16, 2015 11:58 AM  

This is supposed to be a bad review? I just purchased the book based on this alone.

Me too. Just got to Vox's favourite chapter but I have a game to write so that will have to wait for tomorrow.

Anonymous Scintan June 16, 2015 12:00 PM  

Ok, I followed the link and read Martin's posts. I'm now trying to figure out whether his issue is that he just can't think logically and reasonably on this particular subject or that he's a blithering idiot.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. June 16, 2015 12:01 PM  

Did anybody else have the pleasure of reading Heinlein's "Grumbles From the Grave" and remember the particular letter regarding the editor of one of his young science fiction novels that was so vehemently opposed to the glorification of guns and military culture that she almost threatened his career? I have the book in the garage somewhere and can't dig it up at the moment, but it is possibly the earliest example I saw in print of the SJW disease starting to spread in science fiction. Does anybody else know the reference of the top of their head?

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. June 16, 2015 12:04 PM  

Vox, if you can find this passage in "Grumbles From the Grave" by Heinlein, (I'll try and dig up my old hardcover later) I seriously think it is the single oldest example of SJW entry-ism into Sci-Fi that I can recall in print.

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 16, 2015 12:18 PM  

Libertarian author F. Paul Wilson has written about catching crap from SJW's back in 1978 when his book "Wheels Within Wheels" was published. Ditto for "An Enemy of the State," published in 1980. I remember reading his remarks about how he and other conservative or libertarian sci fi writers were being attacked back then by SJW's.

So it's been going on for a long time. The SJW's have been able to worm into their positions of power only because they have been unopposed.

We're putting a stop to that right now.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 16, 2015 12:34 PM  

""natural law is heresy because it limits God's power" route that Islam did,"

Source?

"because I think Islam's rejection of natural law is one reason why their theology is basically a dead end,"

Elaborate please.

"and that dead-end theology traps the rest of their culture."

Here I thought it's because of genetics and inbreeding.

If Islam is so flawed, why is it so much more easy for them to follow it's teachings and reject CultMarx and SocJus?At least in terms of robustness, it exceeds Christian beliefs, because so many more people manage to adhere to it. Many Christians are Christians in name only to a far higher degree than are muslims in name only. You won't see any Muslim leaders extoll the virtues of gay marriage.

Not saying that Islam is better than Christianity, but objectively speaking it is almost impenetrable to the garbage that has penetrated your societies.

Anonymous fish June 16, 2015 12:40 PM  

Not saying that Islam is better than Christianity, but objectively speaking it is almost impenetrable to the garbage that has penetrated your societies.

A little early in Islams "ascendence" to be making this claim.

Anonymous Krul June 16, 2015 12:52 PM  

"""natural law is heresy because it limits God's power" route that Islam did,"

Source?

"because I think Islam's rejection of natural law is one reason why their theology is basically a dead end,"

Elaborate please."


I think he's referring to Occasionalism.

Blogger papabear June 16, 2015 1:03 PM  

Even the showrunners can't save the show from the books http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/arts/television/in-game-of-thrones-finale-a-breakdown-in-storytelling.html?_r=0

Blogger Kentucky Packrat June 16, 2015 1:12 PM  

If Islam is so flawed, why is it so much more easy for them to follow it's teachings and reject CultMarx and SocJus?

The same reason The Amazing Randi can't convince Satan to perform on demand for him: it's not necessary. Islamists don't need Social Justice or Cultural Marxism to distract them from God's truth; their religion is structured from start to finish to distract from the critical points of Christianity. Salvation is earned through a strict adherence to rules and regulations, and you cannot be certain of God's love or mercy because He is capricious and random, so you have to work extra hard.

Essentially Islam is the 7th century equivalent of Social Justice. It's why that the child-raper wasn't successful in peaceful conversion outside of the heretical areas of inner Arabia; the Christians and Jews of other areas knew their scriptures, and knew that the Demon Talker was no prophet of the Lord God of Israel. (That's when the Koran verses turned from "love the people of the book" to "kill the JOOS", as an aside.)

(Even so, Islam does have a few SocJustice gadflies, like Rushdie. They just can't get much traction, since they're not helping the ruler of the age with what he wants Islam to do.)

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 16, 2015 1:15 PM  

Even the showrunners can't save the show from the books http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/arts/television/in-game-of-thrones-finale-a-breakdown-in-storytelling.html?_r=0

Kinda ironic that the writer can't be bothered to ask anyone who's read it to discover that that's the problem with the novels too, though. Garbage in, garbage out.

Blogger Quadko June 16, 2015 1:18 PM  

Eureka!

Our Dear Little Friends (thanks, C.S. Lewis!), in their happily unhappy insular little SciFi world, object to SciFi stories being Science or being Fiction. Science (and it's red-headed step child Technology) is evil, and Fiction doesn't allow proper framing in Metaphor and Allegory the underlying misery of the world they experience. Thus, they object to giving a Science Fiction award to stories containing science or fiction - only allegorical metaphors of shared misery qualify.

And then insult to injury, our DLFs are doubly unhappy to find out the rest of us aren't actually miserable, and isn't that just a kick in the pants! (And I say this as a cancer survivor - suffering, yes, misery, no!)

Finally I have a working hypothesis to explain these observed behaviors and analyze it at a deeper level of thought. They think the Hugo is not for stories of Science or Fiction.

And that's definitely the only way I can explain "The Day the World Turned Upside Down".

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 June 16, 2015 1:51 PM  

What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us. You've hurt people, and you go on hurting people, and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.

Probably the most entertaining thing Rape Rape has ever written.

Blogger maniacprovost June 16, 2015 2:08 PM  

You guys... just made me CC: Vox on an email I shouldn't have. Fortunately it was just spam to PNH.

Blogger Danby June 16, 2015 2:13 PM  

What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us. You've hurt people, and you go on hurting people, and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.

mmmm
his tears of unfathomable sadness, they make it all worth the effort.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 16, 2015 2:21 PM  

Why I keep getting penis enlargement and single Christian dating in my spam email while nothing comes from Tor is a mystery. Do companies normally ignore customer concerns?

I know CH answers customer concerns. I've written three authors and one of the publishers and gotten answers the same day. So Tor with what? a billion employees, cannot answer a simple email or two but CH with two employees has managed to answer every email sent?

Makes you wonder whether they would have survived even without everything going on. Did the dinosaurs look up at the asteroid?

Blogger CM June 16, 2015 2:31 PM  

A foolish man appears wise when he keeps his mouth shut...

Anonymous Boogeyman #0240 June 16, 2015 2:47 PM  

Second letter sent. Sadly, I don't have any great pile of book to take a picture of since I had to get rid of most of them in the last move.

Anonymous Heh June 16, 2015 3:02 PM  

What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us. You've hurt people, and you go on hurting people, and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.

Is, ahh... is somebody... is somebody crying?... out there in the darkness? Somebody crying?

(pause)

Good!

Play on!

Blogger CM June 16, 2015 3:46 PM  

You've hurt people, and you go on hurting people, and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.

It's... it's like we killed Lady... and Grey Wolf, and Robb... and The Hound...

Blogger Cail Corishev June 16, 2015 3:52 PM  

What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us. You've hurt people, and you go on hurting people, and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it.

If you wanted to write an Onion-style parody of a Gamma SJW, tears running his mascara and dripping onto his Bill Nye T-shirt, sobbing as he whines about the unfairness of it all, you couldn't beat this. "You just don't seem to care! How can you not care? Won't you think of the children?!"

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 16, 2015 4:08 PM  

If you wanted to write an Onion-style parody of a Gamma SJW, tears running his mascara and dripping onto his Bill Nye T-shirt, sobbing as he whines about the unfairness of it all, you couldn't beat this. "You just don't seem to care! How can you not care? Won't you think of the children?!"

It's like a really fat, middle-aged, much creepier version of the "Leave Britney alone!" guy.

Blogger luagha June 16, 2015 4:46 PM  

Read the GRRM livejournal post and he mentions that he's busy editing an upcoming Wild Cards book from Tor.

Huh, I think. I used to like some of that back in the day, an anthology of super-heroes, and the occasional story with a Roger Zelazny character. I recall getting bored with it and stopping buying them, though.

So I hop to Wikipedia to see what happened to it. Went to Baen, got dropped, went to iBooks, got dropped, and what hey, picked up by Tor!

I read up on the history of what's going on in the Wild Cards superhero world since I stopped reading. And it's all rape this sex that, heroes getting taken over by bad guys with mental powers and made to do evil, drugs and radical leftism as a source of superpowers, and a socialist nation of Greater Africa held together with the superpowers of a benevolent despot leader.

Uh, yeah. Well Tor, they have Gang Rape Rape Martin's name on them, I wonder how they're selling.

Anonymous Nathan June 16, 2015 4:55 PM  

Why, oh, why do fans blame the Puppies for distracting Martin from writing his opus when it seems like, every month or so, there's another SFF anthology edited by him on the market? I mean, surely that can't be stealing away his precious writing time, right?

"What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us"

Hopefully, it's more like spraying antiseptic into the SFF community. What Gallo said is what I've heard from fans about non-progressives for years. Why should I care about a community that wants nothing to do with me and is ruining the genre?

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 16, 2015 5:06 PM  

The Sleeper was great and I loved the Yeoman storyline.

Blogger luagha June 16, 2015 5:26 PM  

Yeah, Donn #0114; that was like, books 1 and 2. Way, way, way, way downhill from those heights.

But it's good to remember old friends sometimes.

#199

Anonymous WaterBoy June 16, 2015 5:35 PM  

GRRM: "What I saying is that you and your Puppies have dealt a terrible wound to a community that was very special to many of us. You've hurt people, and you go on hurting people, and you don't seem to care... about the Hugos, about worldcon, about fandom, about any of it."

Does this mean that anyone intentionally voting No Award above Puppies for anything other than merit are also "hurting people, and...don't seem to care... about the Hugos..."?

I'm rather looking forward to the waves of cognitive dissonance forthcoming from that side should No Award be the recipient of any awards instead of Puppies.

Like some kind of rationalizing, abusive spouse: "Just look what you made us do! I didn't want to do that, but you forced me to! Now you've ruined the awards this year!"

Anonymous hoosiertoo, VFM, oh, whatever. June 16, 2015 7:07 PM  

And if you are foolish enough to continue attacking us for doing nothing more than defending ourselves and expressing our opinions, then we will certainly begin to care about your very special community.

Is it okay if I still don't care?

Blogger Danby June 16, 2015 7:10 PM  

@hoosiertoo
Care, don't care, it's all the same to us. We don't care.

Just for God's sake, if you care, get out of the line of fire.

Anonymous BGS June 16, 2015 8:25 PM  

And that's definitely the only way I can explain "The Day the World Turned Upside Down".

Perhaps I will have to actually read it to see if it is an allegory for how non Asian minorities can fail upward. When they screw up they can get a promotion or lateral move that they will end up doing less damage at. Wouldn't that be an awesome troll job of leftists if it was?

Blogger Masha K. June 16, 2015 8:33 PM  

Oops, a little late to the comments, but RE: John C. Wright, One Lesson was my favorite, both as a newbie writer and as a reader. Not only does it give a marvelous illustration on how to write effectively, but it also explains how readers of different genres will have different expectations. I.e., SFF readers are more accepting of having the world of the story unfold slowly, while realistic fiction readers expect clarity right away. I've never seen it explain that way. (And yeah, the stripper comment… hey, at least it guarantees we'll never forget it :) )

The take-apart of Arthur C. Clarke was pretty awesome too.

Blogger Dexter June 16, 2015 9:41 PM  

To paraphrase Larry Correia:

SJW: Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack...

Puppies: Respond.

GRRM: How rude! Don't you know that you are hurting people's feelings?

Blogger Cuca Culpa June 17, 2015 2:54 AM  

Why does Edgelord of the Rings care so much? I mean, he saw how the CHORF-SJW cabal went after him.

Oh well, my copy of GoT is now on the way to the thrift store.

Anonymous Sevron June 17, 2015 1:15 PM  

"Edgelord of the Rings" is so damn good, I almost want it to take over for Rape Rape. Almost.

Anonymous Chad June 17, 2015 1:26 PM  

If you wish to contemplate as to why SJWs are quite concerned with what their opponents thing, feel, do, etc. look at what their idiotic privilege doctrine is all about. In order for the SJWs to assert a privilege argument they must be assured of two things.

1. That they are completely powerless
2. That any badthink no matter how miniscule is incredibly dangerous if held by their vastly superior opponents.

So you have a group of morons who wield a great deal of power yet feel vastly inferior. Since they insist that they are inferior they insist that their calls for violence are inconsequential while any criticism of them is deemed an act of violence.

Blogger ScuzzaMan June 17, 2015 2:37 PM  

"But needless to say, the last sentence is absolutely going on the back of the hardcover."

Have you spoken to Mr Wright about that personalised insult service?

I'm still a buyer.

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