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Wednesday, June 10, 2015

Yes, but...

A File 770 SJW frets that we won't be satisfied with Gallo's resignation:
And “Tor employs people who openly call their authors and their customers Nazis” will be written into the anti-SJW litany to be recited with all the other sins of the enemy as part of the Puppy creed as often as possible, along with others like “John Scalzi was mean to VD” and “They call us wrongfans having wrongfun” and “SWIRSKY!” No matter what happens as an outcome for Gallo, which is why it infuriates me even more that they are trying so hard to get her fired. They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage and go right on complaining what an awful hive of SJW-ness Tor is.
Well, that all depends on how many SJWs Mr. Doherty and/or Macmillan have the good sense to stop inflicting on science fiction. But (and this is the relevant point), thousands of current customers attacked by Ms Gallo won't stop buying their books. If Gallo was a fry cook or a sales clerk, she'd be gone already. You don't show that kind of disrespect and hatred for your customers and keep your job. You simply don't.

I am under no illusion that anyone at Tor or Macmillan like me or wish to do me any favors. But I do assume that they are capable of doing basic math and grasping the lesson of Fox News. Of course, if they instead decide that they want to play the role of CNN and sell only to the left one-third of the population, well, that is certainly their prerogative.

UPDATE: Mr. Doherty, you clearly have a very serious problem at Tor Books. You need to resolve it. Now.


I am not only not "a neo-Nazi", but I cannot "fairly be described" as one. I am, as it happens, one of the Internet's leading libertarians. One has to be remarkably stupid, or shamelessly dishonest, to claim that a well-known libertarian is a National Socialist of any kind.

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Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 June 10, 2015 7:43 PM  

I'm starting to see a growing SJW backlash against Tor & Doherty because he disassociated the company from Gallo's comments. The situation is swiftly deteriorating for Tor, taking fire from both sides. The criticism is raking up how they dealt with Fodera and Frankel. Tor are prisoners of their most vocal fanbase. It seems like this is a lose-lose deal for Tor. Maybe someone higher up will find a clever way to cut their losses, but they are in a situation where they can literally please no one.

Blogger Jim June 10, 2015 7:47 PM  

They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage and go right on complaining what an awful hive of SJW-ness Tor is.

Oh dear. Looks like the SJWs don't like their own medicine.

I'm starting to see a growing SJW backlash against Tor & Doherty because he disassociated the company from Gallo's comments.

It's #$^&ing beautiful, ain't it? SJWs are like the spiders in that horrible Lost in Space movie; wound one, and the others will kill it for you.

Blogger David-093 June 10, 2015 7:50 PM  

The SJWs wanted this. And now that they feel the heat they want it to stop.

No, it wont stop.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 10, 2015 7:55 PM  

"They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage"

This is supposed be an indictment against us?!? Holy carp! This creature pays no attention whatsoever to what her comrades in arms do on a regular basis. Memories Pizza, Brendan Eich, Baronelle Stutzman, the Atlanta fireman's chief—this list could go on for pages. They do this crap all the time, but just once they get a taste of their own poison and Oh no! Treating people like this is the worst thing ever!!!

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 June 10, 2015 7:56 PM  

CANT STOP WONT STOP

Blogger David-093 June 10, 2015 7:58 PM  

"They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage"

Well...we are evil, are we not?

Anonymous Unofficial VFM June 10, 2015 8:00 PM  

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

Anonymous taqiyyologist June 10, 2015 8:00 PM  

Will we dance like the SJWs did with Brendon Eich's scalp when she is fired?

I'm guessing no, and that "on to the next one" will be what happens.

No cinco de mayo when she tearfully resigns.

Blogger grendel June 10, 2015 8:00 PM  

To the pain!

Anonymous WaterBoy June 10, 2015 8:01 PM  

SJWenfreude.

Anonymous Anonymous June 10, 2015 8:05 PM  

If puppies are anything like gamergate then this is simply not true. The Escapist has gotten back into the good graces of gamergate pretty dang quick once they purged the worst SJWs from their ranks and updated their ethics policies.

- Hooc Ott

Anonymous BGS June 10, 2015 8:07 PM  

Vox are you still subject to US laws?
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-government-wants-names-of-online-commenters-who-trashed-the-silk-road-judge

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 10, 2015 8:08 PM  

Yeah, maybe you should stop now while you are marginally ahead. The Dread Ilk are undisciplined, and the SJWs are only willingly moving the goalposts in our direction ten yards at a time.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet June 10, 2015 8:08 PM  

They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage

I currently work with a handful of SJWs. I've gotten the impression they would green light burning someone's entire family before that someone's eyes, all for thinking the wrong thing.

The women are particularly disgusting.

Blogger Nate Winchester June 10, 2015 8:13 PM  

They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage

When you establish the rules of war, don't complain when the enemy starts fighting by them.

Blogger Rabbi B June 10, 2015 8:13 PM  

" . . . which is why it infuriates me even more that they are trying so hard to get her fired."

There are varying degrees of evil. The Ilk urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain. Never shall innocent blood be shed, yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The Ilk shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of God.

"They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage . . . "

The Horah, to be precise. Hava, nagila hava, nagila hava . . . !

Anonymous Scintan June 10, 2015 8:13 PM  

all the other sins of the enemy as part of the Puppy creed as often as possible, along with others like “John Scalzi was mean to VD”

For the record:

I, personally, don't give a damn whether or not John Scalzi is mean to Vox Day, or treats him like his bestest buddy ever, in the main. It doesn't even register as a separate issue. How it applies in the greater context of larger issues may have some bearing, however.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 10, 2015 8:15 PM  

I have been isolating SJWs and holding them to their own insane standards, getting them to say the grossest and most violent things in self-defense. I'm actually a little disappointed I have so few to work with now. When you agree and amplify a 250-lb SJW he/she becomes a 400-lb grotesquery pretty damn fast. They make Honey Boo-Boos thumb-headed mama look like an Ancient Greek ideal.

Blogger rcocean June 10, 2015 8:23 PM  

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Blogger rcocean June 10, 2015 8:23 PM  

"For the record: I, personally, don't give a damn whether or not John Scalzi is mean to Vox Day, or treats him like his bestest buddy ever,"

Wow. I'm glad of that, because a lot of us here were wondering what your opinion was.

Wait, who are you again?

Blogger Nate June 10, 2015 8:36 PM  

They are correct. I doubt seriously anyone will stop until PNH is gone.

Blogger Dexter June 10, 2015 8:40 PM  

They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage and go right on complaining what an awful hive of SJW-ness Tor is.

In their minds, meetings of the Ilk are like the Matrix Reloaded -- after the (extremely boring) discussion of factional politics, there is an (awful, long, unnecessary) rave. But with more flaming swords and swastikas.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber June 10, 2015 8:46 PM  

You never leave live wounded behind you. Just isn't wise. A triple tap, and you're gone. You have to clean out the nest, just being thourough. The fire has to purge the Senior Staff, as well. Ah, the smell of roasted toad in the morning.....it smells like incipient victory.

Blogger Nate June 10, 2015 8:51 PM  

holy shit. The SJWs at Tor are taking the loophole Doherty used to save them... and hanging themselves with it.

Blogger Tommy Hass June 10, 2015 8:51 PM  

"The Escapist has gotten back into the good graces of gamergate pretty dang quick once they purged the worst SJWs from their ranks and updated their ethics policies."

That's because the true higher ups (i.e. the sovereign) was asleep at the wheel and those acting up were rogue employees. When the higher ups got wind of it, they just shitcanned them. Nothing of value was lost.

This MacMillan person/group better pay attention.

Blogger Jim June 10, 2015 8:53 PM  

In their minds, meetings of the Ilk are like the Matrix Reloaded -- after the (extremely boring) discussion of factional politics, there is an (awful, long, unnecessary) rave. But with more flaming swords and swastikas.

It's crazy, right? They should know the economy has forced us to downsize and use triskelions instead of swastikas. Although, as a bonus, it does give us something to do with all the severed limbs.

Anonymous Nathan June 10, 2015 8:55 PM  

"They are correct. I doubt seriously anyone will stop until PNH is gone."

I'd settle for Tor.com being nothing more than a fading memory of the Wayback Machine, but I won't be too picky, especially with the new "Bad dog, bad Sad Puppies" rant of Moshe Feder.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 10, 2015 8:56 PM  

Oh...brother. Nice wording, Nate.

Blogger Ragin' Dave June 10, 2015 8:56 PM  

What gets me rather perturbed is the old canard "These people do not speak for Tor Books."

How many Senior Staff at Tor Books have to insult the customer base before they DO speak for Tor Books? If the Senior Staff at Tor all insult us on their off time, but not on "company" time, how does that truly change things?

The leadership of a company are in lockstep in their public hatred of the Other, but if it's not done at work it's OK? Nope, I don't think so.

OpenID xsyq June 10, 2015 8:57 PM  

In other news, Reddit has started banning subreddits because of harassment.

Anonymous FP June 10, 2015 9:00 PM  

"But with more flaming swords and swastikas."

Don't forget the natzees playing Yahtzee!

Blogger intuitivereason June 10, 2015 9:04 PM  

"They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage"

Well, no. They would just see that consequences were enforced. The act that brought this about was all her own.

Anonymous MPC June 10, 2015 9:05 PM  

Funny, progressives are usually the first ones to snark about Godwin's Law. Now here they are invoking it non-stop.

I'm sure they just double-think it away, but still.

Blogger Dexter June 10, 2015 9:05 PM  

I can't wait for Moshe to explain, more in sorrow than in anger, that Jewish members of the ilk are self-hating Jews.

Ekelhafter, gesichtsloser selbsthassender Jude Nummer eins, Schritt nach vorn!

Blogger Cail Corishev June 10, 2015 9:06 PM  

What gets me rather perturbed is the old canard "These people do not speak for Tor Books."

They've heard it before DVD commentaries and talk radio shows -- "The opinions of the blah blah are not necessarily the opinions of blah blah" -- so they recite it like a magic spell, Protection from Sudden Unemployment. It allows you to say whatever you want whenever you want and be immune to retaliatory attacks. Just be sure to get the wording exactly right, so you don't summon the undead.

Blogger bw June 10, 2015 9:07 PM  

Notice it's always about the Nazis as opposed to the jewish Marxist Bolsheviks who killed 10 times more than the Nazis ever dreamed of doing.
As the New Right themselves point out, the murder of 100 million human beings by their ideological gods is something the Left, to this point, has simply "stepped over and around".
No longer.

Blogger SDH June 10, 2015 9:15 PM  

They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage.

#BlowItUp #BurnTheRubble #SaltTheEarth...#SJWDelendaEst

Blogger Random June 10, 2015 9:15 PM  

"Just be sure to get the wording exactly right, so you don't summon the undead."

Klaatu...verata,,,n&@&*(...


Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 10, 2015 9:16 PM  

That canard isn't going to provide them any cover. These are the people who destroyed the protection of free speech, so they are hiding behind a ghost of their own making.

Moshe, you poor dumb bastard, you successfully burned down the shelter you now seek. What, you think you are fireproof?

In the words of George Rape Rape Martin: GODDAMNIT YOU ARE PROVING THEM RIGHT.

Anonymous Scintan June 10, 2015 9:18 PM  

Wow. I'm glad of that, because a lot of us here were wondering what your opinion was.

Wait, who are you again?


While I'm someone who's been around here for a long time, that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that you appear to need to look above your head, so that you can see my point passing you there.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 June 10, 2015 9:21 PM  

They closed comments at Tom Doherty's post at Tor.com about half an hour ago...

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) June 10, 2015 9:23 PM  

Wow, Moshe. Doubling down, eh? Right now? Your timing is horrible. Someone should forward that to Doherty. The poor guy's just gonna LOVE this.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 10, 2015 9:27 PM  

A File 770 SJW frets that we won't be satisfied with Gallo's resignation:

Can anyone recall SJWs fretting over this when appeasing Muslim groups?

To the violent group, there is hand wringing and "what could we have done?"

To the other ... it is "Appeasement doesn't work!"

Blogger James Beech June 10, 2015 9:29 PM  

Good catch, nice info, thanks.

Blogger James Beech June 10, 2015 9:31 PM  

This only works if we stay strong. And other obvious comments. Point is, stay strong. This isn't one to lose.

Anonymous VoK June 10, 2015 9:36 PM  

Mary Robinette claims on Twitter in some back and forth that she has inside info. That Irene will not be let go. Time-stamped about an hour ago.

Make of that what you will.

To me, it means push harder.

Blogger Kull June 10, 2015 9:39 PM  

I work with tons of sjw's. I remember once a young woman was reading some article about Christian families and gay rights or something along those lines and she got really upset. She couldn't believe people were teaching their kids anything less than total acceptance of the current narrative. In the end she expressed disgust that people were allowed to raise their children like this. She literally believes that people should be prevented from passing on their values to their own children. Let it sink in. People should not be permitted the choice as to what to teach their kids. It was so chilling.
According to the sjw's Wright is a monster that hates gays. Did he ever argue that the state should kick down doors and enforce control over people's choices? I don't think so. But these people want to take your right to teach your own children what you believe. I don't even consider myself particularly conservative. But in the interests of my own person freedom which side seems the best bet? Not the side that wants to take people's kids away for teaching the tenets of a two thousand year old religion. Freaking scary.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 10, 2015 9:40 PM  

They would wreck her life and dance in the wreckage.

Being on the right, I'm new to this whole "winning battles in the culture war" thing, so I'm not sure how to act. Since SJWs have much more experience with it, I will let them be my guide.

I think I'll check out the comment sections of some SJW sites like Gawker, and see how quickly and graciously they accepted Paula Deen's apology. I'll also estimate the ratio of SJWs who said forcing Brendan Eich's resignation was going too far, and how long it took for them to accept his apology and start calling for him to get his job back. I could also see how quickly they stopped bad-mouthing Mel Gibson and went back to admiring him as a filmmaker after he apologized to Jews for his drunken rant. If those examples aren't clear enough, there are hundreds of others to choose from.

I hereby promise not to dance in the wreckage of any SJW's life for one moment longer than the SJWs have taught us by example is appropriate and just.

Anonymous VoK June 10, 2015 9:40 PM  

Moshe said he was speaking for himself, not Tor. Haha. Tried to sound tough, but he's on a leash.

It's a start.

Anonymous p-dawg June 10, 2015 9:47 PM  

"Just be sure to get the wording exactly right, so you don't summon the undead."

Look, maybe I didn't say every single little tiny syllable, no. But basically I said them, yeah.

/klaatu...verata...necktie

Blogger Nate June 10, 2015 9:49 PM  

The roof.... the roof... the roof is on fire...

Anonymous JRL June 10, 2015 9:49 PM  

If those examples aren't clear enough, there are hundreds of others to choose from.

Thank you. Examples of SJW behavior should be referenced non-stop. We are simply following their lead.

Anonymous JRL June 10, 2015 9:53 PM  

...and I would really like to hear Vox "fairly" described as a neo-nazi.

It's on the one who claims he is making a reasonable judgement to show his reasons.

Blogger Daniel June 10, 2015 9:54 PM  

Haha, the puppetmistress who had to purchase insiders to Worldcon like street whores has "inside" information.

Wanna bet the "inside" info is coming from pnh and McRapey?

Anonymous Scintan June 10, 2015 9:54 PM  

Judging from what I've just been reading, Reddit's going to burn, and SJW is pretty clearly a term that's going to stick around for a while.


Moshe just deliberately alluded to Doherty's comments in his post, so that sets up a very interesting situation for the gentleman.

Blogger Nate June 10, 2015 9:55 PM  

"Oh...brother. Nice wording, Nate."

Thanks man. Sometimes it works out... other times I say thinks like pubic humiliation instead of public humiliation. but then... sometimes that works too.

Blogger Rabbi B June 10, 2015 9:59 PM  

VD,

I remember you saying a while back that a major Jewish organization cleared you of any anti-Semitism or something to that effect. So, the neo-Nazi charge is demonstrably false.

I wonder why Moshe Federer hates Jews so much?

"Moshe said he was speaking for himself . . . "

Yeah . . . with uncircumcised lips.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 June 10, 2015 10:02 PM  

Maybe we should have a Tor book burning at Ilkmoot.

There are plenty of used bookstores around around to buy them from so that Tor doesn't get another dime in revenue from us.

Blogger James Dixon June 10, 2015 10:04 PM  

Thank you Moshe, I think you have given yet more evidence to send to MacMillan concerning libel by their employees.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) June 10, 2015 10:05 PM  

"Thanks man. Sometimes it works out... other times I say thinks like pubic humiliation instead of public humiliation. but then... sometimes that works too."

Bwahahaha! I am always so very careful to check for that "L" when I type that word in an email. Check. Double Check. Triple Check.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 June 10, 2015 10:08 PM  

"I suggest they might want to think about _why_ their project attracted VD's interest..."

According to Vox it's because one of Tor's assclowns decided to mock him for being out-grouped. "6th out of 5!" Funnily enough, this year said assclown didn't even rate 8th out of 5 with a NYT bestseller and national tour. I can't wait to see the nomination numbers to see how far down the list his book rated.

Do you hear that rabbits? Number One Tor Author caused all this because he couldn't keep his mouth shut. Is he really worth the trouble? What diversity does he bring to the table? Is someone coasting on life's easiest setting really down for the struggle? How much has he weighed in to defend Ms Gallo? Is he *really* one of you, or is he in it for himself?

Ponder that as we dance in the latest wreckage. You do have the power to stop this. But we know you won't.

As far as I'm concerned he's the gift that keeps on giving. I suspect the plan is we'll stew him last.

Blogger grendel June 10, 2015 10:13 PM  

Don't burn your Tor books, it reduces the supply and drives up the price. Slap them all up for sale, flood the market so fewer people buy new ones.

Blogger Nikis-Knight June 10, 2015 10:16 PM  

Larry and Vox sometimes have "book bombs" to promote deserving authors. Perhaps scheduling those for when Tor has a book coming out in a similar Amazon category would make it harder for them to buy their way onto the best seller list?

Blogger Nikis-Knight June 10, 2015 10:18 PM  

"I'm starting to see a growing SJW backlash against Tor & Doherty because he disassociated the company from Gallo's comments.

It's #$^&ing beautiful, ain't it? SJWs are like the spiders in that horrible Lost in Space movie; wound one, and the others will kill it for you."

They will devour their allies for any perceived lack of zeal. Why? Because, like the scorpion, it is their nature.

Anonymous Godfrey June 10, 2015 10:19 PM  

SJWs always lie and distort.

We are fighting an eternal cultural war. There will be no ultimate strategic victory. There will only be tactical gains and loses. The SJWs are at a disadvantage. They are the establishment. They are on the defensive. They defend corrupt and decrepit institutions. They have something to lose. We don't.

It's easier to undermine than to build. We learned that from them. Put it to use.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 10, 2015 10:21 PM  

A File 770 SJW frets that we won't be satisfied with Gallo's resignation:

*plllrrrrrrbbbbb* If Gallo is fired she will be hired by someone else by the end of the week. She's a hero to them in an industry that is 90% leftist.

As opposed to Moshe Feder who is only a half-assed hero and who made it very clear that he was not attacking Larry or Brad just Vox. He forgot to mention John C. Wright and Tom Kratman so maybe they are Neo-Nazis too? Or are they Paleo-Nazis or some intermediate shade of National Socialist.

And what the hell is a Neo-Nazi anyway. An androgynous Nazi with a thing for black leather?

Anonymous Obvious June 10, 2015 10:24 PM  

Man, it sucks when your enemies use your advice to spite your desires, don't it?

Anonymous Laz June 10, 2015 10:28 PM  

Dexter: "I can't wait for Moshe to explain, more in sorrow than in anger, that Jewish members of the ilk are self-hating Jews."

Well, of course. Evil hates everything, including itself.

Blogger Daniel June 10, 2015 10:31 PM  

That isn't true Cataline. The book industry is in major flux. They won't quickly pick up the poison pen when quieter people can draw better pictures.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 10, 2015 10:31 PM  

Whether or not we formally declare a boycott, I don't think I can buy another TOR book again.

Sad business, there was a time when they were the most exciting SF publishing house in the world...back when Jim Baen was their editor.

Anonymous Laz June 10, 2015 10:32 PM  

Lulabelle: "Bwahahaha! I am always so very careful to check for that "L" when I type that word in an email. Check. Double Check. Triple Check."

I cheat. I just right click on the word and choose the spelling I want.

Blogger harry12 June 10, 2015 10:37 PM  

/klaatu...verata...necktie

Say it wrong and not only will Gort go dancing but the Kraken will awake!

Anonymous GreyS June 10, 2015 10:41 PM  

Nice timing, Moshe. This idiotic move alone probably just cost Gallo her job.

Then again-- maybe you didn't like her anyway and wanted to help tip the cart?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 10, 2015 10:44 PM  

I just love it when SJWs double down, and right on cue. We'll need at least two grocery carts now.

SJWs always lie.
SJWs always double down.

(The phrase "double down" is used several times in the new 75-page, multimillion-dollar, civil complaint against *Rolling Stone* to describe their fake-rape reporter's antics.)

Is there a synopsis or listing somewhere of Tor et al's purported or real transgressions to date? It is hard to keep up and keep track, particularly with the recent flood of other SJW circus antics.

Blogger Rabbi B June 10, 2015 10:46 PM  

https://about.me/MosheMF

"Moshe lives in Flushing, NY with his cats Destry and Nemo. He'll be happy to explain why you've probably never eaten bagels and lox, even though you're sure you have."

Well, there you have it . . . I knew it!

Blogger Josh June 10, 2015 10:55 PM  

I like bagels and lox

Blogger Sir Wilshire (#320) June 10, 2015 10:59 PM  

Saw this on Feder's FB page. It's hilariously bad.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/moshe-feder/fans-as-the-jews-of-genre/10153300166370955

Rabbi B, it's theologically rigorous though. [/sarcasm]

Blogger SirHamster (#201) June 10, 2015 10:59 PM  

Nice timing, Moshe. This idiotic move alone probably just cost Gallo her job.

Then again-- maybe you didn't like her anyway and wanted to help tip the cart?


Are you suggesting that Irene isn't a strong and independent enough woman to lose her job on her own merits?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 10, 2015 11:02 PM  

The civil complaint against *Rolling Stone* is worth a read. What was going on in their offices last winter is what is going on at Tor right now.

Anonymous GreyS June 10, 2015 11:04 PM  

Are you suggesting that Irene isn't a strong and independent enough woman to lose her job on her own merits?

(chuckle)

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) June 10, 2015 11:05 PM  

"75. Josh June 10, 2015 10:55 PM

I like bagels and lox".

Me too. And whitefish salad. Yummy.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) June 10, 2015 11:07 PM  

And half sours. Only in a Jewish deli! (sorry for the OT.)

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 June 10, 2015 11:10 PM  

While we all know that Tor is owned by MacMillan, it has come to my attention that MacMillan is owned by Holtzbrinck, which is a German company.

I'm fairly sure that a German company would not appreciate their downstream employees throwing around words like neo-Nazi at their customers and authors.

Perhaps Holtzbrinck is too far removed from the process to be aware of this.

Perhaps some pressure a little further up the chain is in order.

Anonymous fish June 10, 2015 11:14 PM  

And I'll be happy to say right here on my own personal FB page, speaking for myself and not Tor, That I agree with Irene that Vox Day can be fairly described as a neo-nazi.

Must be terrifying when the old incantations lose their power and stop working.

Anonymous Obvious June 10, 2015 11:17 PM  

I had sex with a cat yesterday. Don't call it rape.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 10, 2015 11:23 PM  

These people need purging.
I often thought that in a sense WW2 was kind of a "clean" war. The forces of evil there seemed pretty clearly staked out.
I think it's coming around again.
Honestly I do not wish to share a planet with people like Moshe and Irene.

The problem is even if it came to outright war, they keep surviving because they rely on the mercy of their better to escape just punishment.
And shoving them all in pits makes us become like they are to the extent of being mass-murderers. It's a problem.

I think the solution is to effectively reduce them to slave-status. That is, you can avoid being treated as a second class citizen only if you demonstrate you can do logic, have honour, understand and stand up for truth and dignity and beauty etc. Otherwise...off to the salt mines with you, you filthy SJW.

Or that island idea of mine. In the arctic circle.

Anonymous Obvious June 10, 2015 11:24 PM  

Awww, the imitators are coming out to play. What a sincere form of flattery.

Blogger Russell (106) June 10, 2015 11:26 PM  

Amazing. Out of all the choices offered, they create a new choice worse than anything else and double down on it.

If someone had wrote a story about this, no one would believe it.

Blogger Corvinus June 10, 2015 11:34 PM  

Being on the right, I'm new to this whole "winning battles in the culture war" thing, so I'm not sure how to act. Since SJWs have much more experience with it, I will let them be my guide.

I think I'll check out the comment sections of some SJW sites like Gawker, and see how quickly and graciously they accepted Paula Deen's apology. I'll also estimate the ratio of SJWs who said forcing Brendan Eich's resignation was going too far, and how long it took for them to accept his apology and start calling for him to get his job back. I could also see how quickly they stopped bad-mouthing Mel Gibson and went back to admiring him as a filmmaker after he apologized to Jews for his drunken rant. If those examples aren't clear enough, there are hundreds of others to choose from.

I hereby promise not to dance in the wreckage of any SJW's life for one moment longer than the SJWs have taught us by example is appropriate and just.


@Cail
Get the napalm and C4 ready.

SJWs always lie.
SJWs always double down.

(The phrase "double down" is used several times in the new 75-page, multimillion-dollar, civil complaint against *Rolling Stone* to describe their fake-rape reporter's antics.)


@Forrest Bishop
Yup. SJWs always 1) lie, 2) project, and 3) double down.

Anonymous zen0 June 10, 2015 11:34 PM  

66. Obvious June 10, 2015 10:24 PM

Man, it sucks when your enemies use your advice to spite your desires, don't it?

84. Obvious June 10, 2015 11:17 PM

I had sex with a cat yesterday. Don't call it rape.


You don't actually have a clue what is going on, do you.
Unless you are an "Obvious" impersonator, in which case, you need to do more research and practice.

Anonymous Nathan June 10, 2015 11:34 PM  

So caught between two different threats of boycott, Tor has apparently made their bet that catering to the SJWs will hurt less. Will the hardcore be enough to support the company? If gaming history is anything to go by, catering to the small, vocal hardcore (SJWs and the Tor.com crowd) is always a mistake.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad June 10, 2015 11:35 PM  

> Yup. SJWs always 1) lie, 2) project, and 3) double down.

and 4) don't know when to shutup.

Blogger Rabbi B June 10, 2015 11:37 PM  

" . . . catering to the small, vocal hardcore (SJWs and the Tor.com crowd) is always a mistake."

Never interrupt your enemies when they are making a mistake. - Napolean

Blogger Stephen Ashby June 10, 2015 11:43 PM  

These people need purging.

I agree, but where would we get enough laxative? Surely constipation is the only reasonable explanation for how full of shit they are.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 10, 2015 11:50 PM  

Stephen Ashby,
I agree. Which is why bayonetting them seems the only logical solution really. And it would still create a stygian mess.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 June 10, 2015 11:52 PM  

@ 90. Nathan:

So caught between two different threats of boycott, Tor has apparently made their bet that catering to the SJWs will hurt less.

Retreating to a defensive position gathers the forces.

It remains to be seen whether they can mount an attack from that position, or retreat further to their base, where they will come under siege.
Once the city is under siege, it remains to be seen whether there are disgruntled forces in their camp that will conspire to open the gates.

It might be sufficient to just keep them holed up until they have to resort to cannibalism.

Anonymous Rolf June 11, 2015 12:09 AM  

"remarkably stupid, or shamelessly dishonest" Those two things are not exactly mutually exclusive among the SJBs.

So, your accusing people of being willing to destroy a declared enemy and dance in the wreckage?..... And your point would be....?

Anonymous The other robot June 11, 2015 12:27 AM  

Heh, someone pointed out over at File 770 that the main character in the movie The Martian should have been offered to a black female Lesbian or a Hispanic Native American.

Anonymous The other robot June 11, 2015 12:36 AM  

Meanwhile, Defense Distributed is being harassed by King George's minions.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 11, 2015 12:41 AM  

Talk about SJWs lying, they royally screw up and cannot do simple homework.

How many years has our host illustrated via the pen he is a libertarian and Christan?

This is exactly why the dig about accusing our host of tossing acid is a disgusting lie, our host is not violent, he is about the truth spoken or written.

Speaking of the physical, what sjwhackgoof would enter a dojo? None, not one unless the Team Cluless can produce such a person.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 11, 2015 12:42 AM  

No, basic math is out for these people. They require help, plenty of logic assistance.

Anonymous The other robot June 11, 2015 12:43 AM  

Apparently Delany it's OK because there is no evidence that he acted out his NAMBLA fantasies.

Maybe I misunderstood the writer's PoV though.

Blogger hank.jim June 11, 2015 12:45 AM  

This story is getting a lot of Internet ink. Amazing how everyone is waiting for Tor to act. Or not act. Either way, they're screwed.

OpenID lostsailor32 June 11, 2015 12:46 AM  

Culture Wars Draftee #151 (comment #1) is absolutely correct.

And while I feel a little sorry for Tom Doherty, he's only reaping what he's sown. I do find it amusing that it's the SJWs who are likely to tear down Tor and with more alacrity than we could ever have done.

Corollary to "SWJs always lie" is that "SWJs always eat their own."

I'm making popcorn...

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 11, 2015 12:55 AM  

90. Nathan: So caught between two different threats of boycott, Tor has apparently made their bet that catering to the SJWs will hurt less.


95. Not-So-Merry zen0: Retreating to a defensive position gathers the forces.

It remains to be seen whether they can mount an attack from that position, or retreat further to their base, where they will come under siege.
Once the city is under siege, it remains to be seen whether there are disgruntled forces in their camp that will conspire to open the gates.
----------------

A tell-all book or essay from a soon-to-be ex-employee at Tor Books could make for a viral product. Might be hard for them to find a publisher for that. Or maybe not.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 June 11, 2015 1:06 AM  

"One has to be remarkably stupid, or shamelessly dishonest, to claim that a well-known libertarian is a National Socialist of any kind."

To be fair Vox these are *not* mutually exclusive events. One can be both remarkably stupid AND shamelessly dishonest and in this case I feel that this is the likely possibility. Just an FYI... emails still rolling... heh heh heh

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 11, 2015 1:43 AM  

Another front, and an insight into rabbit logic-
" Reddit banned a subreddit dedicated to being awful to overweight people, so Redditors are being awful to fat people all over the site as a show of protest."

SJW liar's math:
"As many as 22,000 people were reading the r/fatpeoplehate2 subreddit at the time I was writing this. That's not an insignificant number, but, considering that nearly 173 million people visited Reddit last month, it's barely a drop in the bucket."

If each reader spends 20 minutes and there are 20K readers, then there are 60K visits per hr. In 30 days that's 60K * 24 * 30 = 43,200,000 visits per month or about 25% of site traffic.

SJW logic:
“The loudest, grossest assholes also tend to be the people most desperate to have their loud gross voices heard,” Whitney Phillips, a researcher at Humboldt State....Phillips said that, despite the protests, Reddit is doing the right thing...
signaling a commitment to a *robust* sort of free speech..."

Definition of *robust* sort-of free speech:
“What makes a move good is the attempt to do good, to have a positive impact on the site's users and online discourse generally...

“But who cares—protecting diverse communication is the essence of free speech, and at the very least this announcement acknowledges that free speech is compromised when the loudest, grossest assholes get to set the tone,” she added. “We want more and diverse speech, not less. And anything that forwards that basic tenant is a good thing in my book.”

So more, diverse, and *robust* free speech can be achieved by censoring anyone who Phillips or reddit deem to be the "loudest, grossest assholes". Volume levels and grossness coefficients must be defined somewhere in the Tone Police manual. "Neo-nazi" is obviously within parameter. "You fat" is not.

Blogger epobirs June 11, 2015 2:06 AM  

I increasingly believe the Tor execs have gotten word from above that the division's existence is hanging by a thread, due to remarkably bad performance by the genre in traditional channels. Knowing they cannot increase sales without appealing to an audience they openly hold in contempt, they've instead decided to burn bridges while they can still afford matches.

Blogger Dexter June 11, 2015 2:29 AM  

So hey, fired for expressing his "personal opinion" on the internet.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article23616994.html

The principal of North Miami Senior High School inadvertently injected himself into the racially charged national debate over police treatment of blacks with a social media comment — and it wound up costing him his position at the school.

The Miami-Dade County school district announced Wednesday that Alberto Iber had been removed as principal after going online to defend a white Texas police officer who waved a gun at black teens while responding to a call about an unruly pool party.

In a brief statement, the district said employees are required to conduct themselves, both personally and professionally, in a manner that represents the school district’s core values. The district said a replacement would be named shortly and that Iber would be reassigned to administrative duties.

Anonymous Beau June 11, 2015 2:39 AM  

OT

What a glorious evening.

Mike, a first-time volunteer told me just before we embarked that he was going to chicken out and not go. Barry & I exhorted him to come with us, so Mike did. At our very first stop he heard a woman's voice, "Cousin Mike!" Although he didn't initially recognize her, hadn't seen her in a very long time, she is his cousin, living on the streets now for seven years. They warmly embraced and she heard where help is available.

and

Stopping at Urine Estates a man I'd never seen before said, "I was just sitting there telling God I was alone in a terrible place and asking him why didn't he send some of his people to us. Then I looked up and saw you." We were all praising Jesus when all was said and done.

And earlier this evening in response to Jesus' classic question, "Who do you say I am?" I got the opportunity to say with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my chips shoved in, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Blogger Dexter June 11, 2015 2:54 AM  

"Women ruin everything" -- geez it was just my personal opinion, what's the matter with you people?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3119154/Sir-Tim-Hunt-forced-quit-UCL-feminists.html

Blogger beerme #0183 June 11, 2015 3:20 AM  

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/208412/

Anonymous Bz June 11, 2015 4:11 AM  

Nobel prize winners must go for their insensitive comments, but Irene Gallo can stay on.

Blogger Jason June 11, 2015 4:23 AM  

@Forrest Bishop

"A tell-all book or essay from a soon-to-be ex-employee at Tor Books could make for a viral product. Might be hard for them to find a publisher for that. Or maybe not."

As the publisher of sci phi journal i can attest to the reality that the barriers to entry to publishing ate extremely low.

Blogger epobirs June 11, 2015 4:41 AM  

The File 770 poster is mistaken about an essential facet of the Gallo story. We are not seeking to ruin her life. We are merely helping her along the course she has chosen.

Anonymous zen0 June 11, 2015 4:45 AM  

@ 108 Beau

What a glorious evening.

Indeed.

Thanks for the inspiration, Beau. Always good to hear of the street work and see where the real hope and change resides.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 11, 2015 5:05 AM  

112. Jason

"A tell-all book or essay from a soon-to-be ex-employee at Tor Books could make for a viral product. Might be hard for them to find a publisher for that. Or maybe not." -FB

As the publisher of sci phi journal i can attest to the reality that the barriers to entry to publishing [are] extremely low. - Jason

Eeexcelent. And how do you rhetorically go about soliciting new authors from undead companies?

In other news, Reddit-gate is exploding right now in internet time. Seems the OODA loop is getting shorter with each new iteration. Meet the new Reddit competition.

In the recent internet past, the loop was owned by the site gatekeepers, such as Wiki editors. They have the home team advantage only on their own sites. I've witnessed memory-hole actions on the Wiki Speed of Light and Centrifugal Force pages go down in a matter of a few minutes- just as fast as some platoon-level military actions or a street action. But they can't seem to turn nearly as fast when facing many different sites and with many different players willing to redirect, to tweet, to create iconic graphics in minutes, etc. Lind comes to mind.

Anonymous Stilicho June 11, 2015 5:08 AM  

Josh, you can take the boy out of Long Island, but you can't take...

Anonymous Stilicho June 11, 2015 5:10 AM  

So, Moshe Feder is a cat lady. Why am I not surprised?

Blogger Mark Citadel June 11, 2015 5:36 AM  

The leftist clown car rolls on. At this point, they are throwing even the kitchen sink. Neo-Nazi?! Not unless 'neo' has completely altered what 'Nazi' means.

Blogger Vogon X June 11, 2015 5:59 AM  

Vox loves dogs. You know who else loved dogs? Adolf Hitler.

QED motherfuckers.

Anonymous fish June 11, 2015 8:35 AM  

Vox loves dogs. You know who else loved dogs? Adolf Hitler.

QED motherfuckers.


And Koreans! QED indeed!

Blogger Luke (alias "Lines With Chrome") June 11, 2015 10:14 AM  

Neo-Nazi?! Not unless 'neo' has completely altered what 'Nazi' means.





You mean the way they did with "neoconservative"?

Blogger VFM 188* June 11, 2015 11:32 AM  

The SJWs wanted this. And now that they feel the heat they want it to stop.

It always ends up like this. Usually it's their own eating them (cf. most of the original Russian and Cuban revolutionary leaders). They're lucky it's us defeating them. First, unlike them we don't engage in wholesale murder (much as they might deserve it). Second, our victory gives them a nice world to continue attempting to undermine in their pathetic lives.

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