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Tuesday, June 16, 2015

Your Tor books

George Rape Rape Martin is on a roll. In addition to crying about his wounds, he has mocked Tor Books author Jagi Lamplighter's attempt to show Tor Books that it is their longtime customers who are being attacked by their senior employees and attempted to belittle the number of people wanting to see Irene Gallo held responsible for her public attacks on Tor books, Tor authors, and Tor customers.
Oh, wow. How many pictures there? Twenty? "Naked with a hat" day gets a hundred times as many....

You know, one thing I have learned about internet wars is that the mobs are seldom really as big as they appear. I wonder about this "heap-load" of readers. How big a heap? How many? When all is said and done, I think more readers will be rallying to the defense of Tor against the Puppy attacks than are presently attacking the company and calling for boycotts. Time will tell, I guess....

I have been doing what I can here to try and keep things civil and find some common ground with the Sads, at least -- I have nothing but contempt for the Rabids -- but it is becoming apparent that this is a losing cause.
I just sent Jagi the picture of my 53 books. Call RapeSquared's bluff and send her yours at lampwrightATgmail.com. You're going to need them for Friday anyhow.

Anyhow, I have no sympathy for the fat bastard. Not after they killed Myranda in the Season Five finale and ruined the only true love story on the show.

192 Comments:

Blogger Jourdan June 16, 2015 2:32 PM  

Earning the hatred of a prime example Boomer is an honor.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 16, 2015 2:34 PM  

SPOILERS!!!!

Blogger CM June 16, 2015 2:36 PM  

I have no sympathy for the fat bastard. Not after they killed Myranda in the Season Five finale and ruined the only true love story on the show.

Now you know how I felt when they killed The Hound.

I know most of y'all think reading GoT is masochistic, wasteful, and degrading... but I hope this is over before Winds of Winter comes out.

Is 3-4 more years long enough to put this to rest?

Anonymous Scintan June 16, 2015 2:38 PM  

I have been doing what I can here to try and keep things civil and find some common ground with the Sads, at least

And now he's flat-out lying rather than just trying to shade the truth in his direction.

Anonymous REG June 16, 2015 2:41 PM  

For someone with no dog in the fight, he sure seems to be waving a lot of fivers enthusiastically. I don't think he's finding many takers.

Blogger Double E June 16, 2015 2:42 PM  

I have no sympathy for the fat bastard. Not after they killed Myranda in the Season Five finale and ruined the only true love story on the show.

God damn it man, spoiler alert?!

Some of us are behind a couple episodes.

Anonymous The Admiral June 16, 2015 2:42 PM  

>>I have no sympathy for the fat bastard. Not after they killed Myranda in the Season Five finale and ruined the only true love story on the show.

What does that have to do w/ Martin? She has no role in the books.

Blogger darkdoc June 16, 2015 2:46 PM  

I have nothing but contempt for the Rabids

First, it's "you just don't know how you are hurting something so precious to me."

And now it's nothing but contempt. That makes me want to respond favorably.

What a superior privileged sack of horse manure.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 16, 2015 2:51 PM  

Picture sent.

Blogger AmyJ June 16, 2015 2:54 PM  

You know, if he spent half as much effort writing his series as he does writing about puppies, ASOIAF would have been done ages ago.

Blogger Jourdan June 16, 2015 2:55 PM  

It's only a spoiler if an actual story exists.

I hear from a friend that even the Usual Suspects (NY Times, BBC) are starting to say out loud that there isn't a story there.

Blogger Dexter June 16, 2015 2:58 PM  

"Naked with a hat" day gets a hundred times as many.

I am sure it's just a coincidence that Fat Bastard always seems to be wearing that Greek Fisherman's Hat or whatever the hell it is.

Anonymous 360 June 16, 2015 2:59 PM  

Why can't VFMs go to RapeRape's blog and show him how many "readers" there are?

Anonymous Bz June 16, 2015 2:59 PM  

I found 52 Tor hardcovers in my shelves, though there may be a few more if I dig in a bit. I already sent Tom Doherty a picture of some of them. Hope he likes it.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 June 16, 2015 3:08 PM  

When all is said and done, I think more readers will be rallying to the defense of Tor against the Puppy attacks than are presently attacking the company and calling for boycotts.

Well, he IS a fantasy writer is he not?

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 3:09 PM  

"You know, one thing I have learned about internet wars is that the mobs are seldom really as big as they appear . . How big a heap? How many?"

It's all about the numbers for these people . . . they can't do real math.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 June 16, 2015 3:10 PM  

You don't pour vitriol on things you consider harmless. RapeRape is putting a lot of effort into something he gives 'nothing but contempt' and considers outnumbered by orders of magnitude.

Anonymous The Admiral June 16, 2015 3:13 PM  

Nice job manipulating the GRRM posts there, VD. What GRRM actually wrote today is below. The language you added is from a different post a few days ago. But hey, SJWs always lie and you always tell the truth, right?

" "Naked with a hat" day gets a hundred times as many.

And what's the point of this exercise? Trying to convince Tor to fire someone you guys disapprove of? Weren't you the guys screaming about SJWs trying to damage careers?

The only ones doing that are the Puppies".

Blogger Feather Blade June 16, 2015 3:17 PM  

First, it's "you just don't know how you are hurting something so precious to me."

And now it's nothing but contempt.


Have you ever seen that Scientific American Frontiers episode where they are training virtual dogs, and comparing that to the training of real dogs?

One of the things the dogs do is try various things to see which one gets them the treat. They're not very good at controlled experimentation, however, so sometimes it just looks like the dog is going nuts - barking, jumping, etc. all at the same time.

That's all he's doing. Appealing to the Puppies' sympathies (lol) didn't work, so now he's trying a different tack.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 16, 2015 3:18 PM  

Rape² delenda est. I've had it with him. Luckily for me, it seems we don't need to do anything to bring that to pass. He's trashing his own fans loudly and frequently, his TV show seems to be flagging, and the SJWs are smelling blood in the water. The eye-opening statistics of rape in his novels have validated my initial impression, after reading merely the first half of the first book--it's disturbing, nihilistic, trash. To see it start to go down in flames due to his own inability to keep his mouth shut is a nice dessert of schadenfraude to go along with the Tor debacle and the Hugos situation in general.

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 3:19 PM  

"What GRRM actually wrote today is below."

Well, THAT completely changes and manipulates the context and meaning. Cripes.

Blogger Nate Winchester June 16, 2015 3:21 PM  

Picking on jagi? That's rather like picking on Kaylee (from Firefly): You really come off as the asshole when doing that.

Way to go, GRRM. =P

Anonymous DeepThought June 16, 2015 3:21 PM  

Is anyone surprised by the killing of any character that has any decency or normative characteristics? George Martin is soulless, bereft of any decency. His work just represents his heart.

Blogger CarpeOro June 16, 2015 3:24 PM  

Didn't cc you VD on the emails sent yesterday, so you could add me to your count. What do you expect? Emphasis on "vile" part of vile minion. Sent Ms. Lamplighter and email with books pic (7 these days). TOR didn't far very well in the great winnowing of my collection when I sold my house. Though I have to say, "Forlorn Hope" is easily toward the top of my favorite David Drake books. Added m regrets that she will fall under the ban because of association with the Fascist Gallow and company (yeah, probably a slander on the fascists). vfm 105

Blogger kh123 June 16, 2015 3:25 PM  

"But hey, the enemy always attacks and you're always nobly restrained, right?"

Res ipsa loquitur. Not any longer it would seem.

Blogger VD June 16, 2015 3:28 PM  

Nice job manipulating the GRRM posts there, VD. What GRRM actually wrote today is below. The language you added is from a different post a few days ago. But hey, SJWs always lie and you always tell the truth, right?

So what? That's just everything he has said recently related to the subject at hand. And yes, Martin is lying and I am telling the truth. He is trying to deceive people into believing that not very many people are contacting Tor Books. I know that hundreds of people are doing so. More likely thousands, but I can prove hundreds.

In this case, the mob is bigger than it appears.

Anonymous Friend of Bill June 16, 2015 3:31 PM  

Guys, guys, guys. Grow the hell up, and start reading _real_ literature, not this zany slosh. If you need me to, I can make you a starter list. I gave up SFF when I was like 12. Innit time you do the same?
If you need to feed your jones, there's always Adventure Time.

Blogger Nate Winchester June 16, 2015 3:35 PM  


Well, THAT completely changes and manipulates the context and meaning. Cripes.


Here you go, Rabbi. It was in part 2 of this 3 part reply to Brad:
http://grrm.livejournal.com/429752.html?thread=21781176#t21781176
http://grrm.livejournal.com/429752.html?thread=21781432#t21781432
http://grrm.livejournal.com/429752.html?thread=21781688#t21781688

Blogger CM June 16, 2015 3:36 PM  

Is anyone surprised by the killing of any character that has any decency or normative characteristics? George Martin is soulless, bereft of any decency. His work just represents his heart.

That explains why it was D&D that killed off Myranda and not GRRM...

Anonymous mistaben June 16, 2015 3:37 PM  

FoB, don't tell us what we can or can't read. That's what this is all about in the first place. Besides, we don't care what you do.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 16, 2015 3:37 PM  

I have been doing what I can here to try and keep things civil…

Facepalm.

"Wow, just…wow".

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 16, 2015 3:37 PM  

Oh, wow. How many pictures there? Twenty? "Naked with a hat" day gets a hundred times as many....

Yeah, but that's because there's a lot more rape potential in "naked with a hat" day, which is apparently a thing over at Tor Books...

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 June 16, 2015 3:38 PM  

Innit time you do the same?

It is unwise to take advice on "real literature" from a man who maliciously abuses the language in such an insipidly colloquial way.

Blogger CM June 16, 2015 3:40 PM  

If you need to feed your jones, there's always Adventure Time.

Really? Now its a funny show... but I'd rather read.

Honestly, this was my first adult fiction novel in years... and while it was lacking in some areas, it was at least as beefy as Lawhead.

I guess i could look past a lot of the nastiness in it cuz i didn't have very high expectations from modern adult fic authors in that regard.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata June 16, 2015 3:42 PM  

I think you need to rethink your classification as a genius. You have surpassed cruelty artist and are now a cruelty genius. I mean, RapeSquared, that's brutal.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 June 16, 2015 3:43 PM  

Is Friend of Bill, scoobius?

Telling everyone to grow up and read the right thing and offering a list is in the right ball park, as is the tone in SJWs Respond thread.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 16, 2015 3:48 PM  

How that self-indulgent nihilist can claim to be on the right side of anything is beyond me.Then again, Hitler and Stalin were lauded in their time so there's no accounting for popularity

Anonymous MrGreenMan June 16, 2015 3:49 PM  

@Friend of Bill

lollllzzzz? GBFM is that you?

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 June 16, 2015 3:50 PM  

Is Friend of Bill, scoobius?

$50 says yes.
If Ulysses appears on his list, we'll know for certain.

Anonymous Leonidas June 16, 2015 3:53 PM  

Or maybe, just maybe, these kinds of things take a bit of time to get going. The list of pictures has almost doubled just in the time since Martin's post. I imagine it will get a lot bigger as those of us in the US start to get off of work and actually get home so that we can take pictures. But then, a man like Martin who hasn't worked a day job in decades.... No, he can't really be excused for forgetting that, either.

My picture will be coming this evening, and the number of books is at least in the dozens. Hell, just from John C. Wright's works alone I've purchased a half dozen or more Tor books in the last year.

OpenID michaeltho June 16, 2015 3:53 PM  

All of you should be reading Amy Tan and Toni Morrison.

You should get on that.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 16, 2015 3:54 PM  

@The Admiral What claim do you have for such a name? A galleon in your bubble bath?

You brought this on yourself, now the gloves are off so know that you lies and meaningless hate have no more power. Leave us! Go lick the orange stained fingers of your champion before the diabetus takes him. I'll be at the gym.

Twat

Anonymous RJ June 16, 2015 3:56 PM  

Is anyone surprised by the killing of any character that has any decency or normative characteristics? George Martin is soulless, bereft of any decency. His work just represents his heart.

Welcome to Westeros. Where bad guys (almost) never die, and good guys never win...

Blogger Jim June 16, 2015 3:57 PM  

I gave up SFF when I was like 12. Innit time you do the same?

I will admit that I didn't get to the Iliad until I was 14, and Dante's Inferno until 16. Shakespeare's Tempest was 17, I believe, followed soon with Hamlet. To my shame, I still have not read Macbeth, so any permanent exit from that childish SFF genre will be delayed.

Blogger jaericho (#107) June 16, 2015 3:59 PM  

I found a bunch of old boxes full of books. I doubt there are a lot of Tor books, but I'll dig thru them tonight anyways.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 16, 2015 4:05 PM  

Guys, guys, guys. Grow the hell up, and start reading _real_ literature, not this zany slosh. If you need me to, I can make you a starter list. I gave up SFF when I was like 12. Innit time you do the same?

I don't care.

If you need to feed your jones, there's always Adventure Time.

See, here's where I suspect that you're just being sarcastic anyway. Telling us to grow up and.... watch Adventure Time. Riiiight.

That explains why it was D&D that killed off Myranda and not GRRM...

Are you suggesting that that isn't a feature of GRRM's version of the story too? That anyone with any decency at all dies? Or are you just nitpicking?

Blogger James Dixon June 16, 2015 4:11 PM  

> Is Friend of Bill, scoobius?

You have to ask?

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 June 16, 2015 4:12 PM  

To my shame, I still have not read Macbeth

It really is the best one.

Blogger CM June 16, 2015 4:16 PM  

Josh,

Are you suggesting that that isn't a feature of GRRM's version of the story too? That anyone with any decency at all dies? Or are you just nitpicking?

I was suggesting that Myranda had no decency and so GRRM wouldn't kill her...

Anonymous Friend of Bill June 16, 2015 4:17 PM  

"FoB, don't tell us what we can or can't read."

Nobody's telling you what you can't read -- certainly not me. Hey, read whatever you like. I'm only suggesting what you _should_ read as an adult: not what you shouldn't. I'm being a nutritionist, not a lit-Nazi. Hey, dowhatchalike man.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 June 16, 2015 4:18 PM  

Well, it doesn't hurt to be sure. No shame in asking the Ilk for a second opinion.

Blogger Jim June 16, 2015 4:19 PM  

I'm being a nutritionist...

And a terrible one, at that.

Anonymous IsMise June 16, 2015 4:21 PM  

Years ago, pre-Gang Rape of Throats, I read his book "Armageddon Rag". This is an old fat hippy who should have been forgot years ago. I'm scrolling past any reference to this pod person.

Anonymous Krul June 16, 2015 4:22 PM  

"To my shame, I still have not read Macbeth"

Sleep no more
Macbeth does murder sleep

Blogger Jeff Weimer June 16, 2015 4:23 PM  

RapeSquared's take here is that is perfectly *fine* for Gallo to shit all over her customers and authors. That the *real* problem here is that we (you) pointed it out - those are puppy "attacks".

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 16, 2015 4:26 PM  

@CM I was suggesting that Myranda had no decency and so GRRM wouldn't kill her...

Ah, well. Carry on, then.

Anonymous Scintan June 16, 2015 4:27 PM  

Nobody's telling you what you can't read -- certainly not me. Hey, read whatever you like. I'm only suggesting what you _should_ read as an adult: not what you shouldn't. I'm being a nutritionist, not a lit-Nazi. Hey, dowhatchalike man.

You're being an ass, for no reason other than to be an ass. And, for the record, since it seems to be something you can't figure out, one can read SFF and also read non-SFF.

Blogger Buddy E. June 16, 2015 4:31 PM  

Gang Rape Rape Masochist has become a SJW caricature, really. He's blind to anything going on from his side of the isle, but completely cognizant of the crap going on from others, even though the crap his 'side' is pulling is order of magnitude more problematic. We started using their tactics and now they are reprehensible. We turned fire to combat fire, and they squeal. Repeat after VD: SJWs lie. Always. They also COMPLETELY reenforce everything we've said from the start the more they talk.

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 4:31 PM  

"Here you go, Rabbi. It was in part 2 of this 3 part reply to Brad:"

Thanks NateW. Even more enlightening than the OP.

Splitting hairs over exactly WHEN GRRM made the remarks over the last few days is "manipulating the GRRM posts"? VD "added language"? Vox didn't add his own language, but GRRM's language which only reinforces VD's point in the OP! Who never lies, again?

(I have to lie down. Someone bring me a bourbon, stat. Ahh . . there's my Knob Creek Single Barrel . . . thanks dawlin'. Much better . . .wake me when it's over . . .)



Blogger Sean June 16, 2015 4:35 PM  

It seems that a lot of the posts I read that Tor didn't have as big a place in the ilk's respective libraries as they expected. It would be interesting to see everyone's Tor collection in front of their overall SciFi collection as a contrast. That would really bring to life the market they lost a long time ago by going pink.

Anonymous Steve June 16, 2015 4:50 PM  

Shut up rabbit - Go lick the orange stained fingers of your champion before the diabetus takes him.

Actually, I was wondering if Ole Rapey's recent outburts are diabetes-related.

Diabetics often ride the emotional rollercoaster - they can go from happy to depressed to angry in a remarkably short period of time, for no apparent external reason.

So Martin's seemingly instantaneous state change from crying about hurts and bruises to mockery and peevish scorn could just be because he ran out of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

Being fat is unhealthy for women, but it's downright deadly for older men. At 66 - and with the BMI of a Krispy Kreme - Martin is playing Russian roulette every time he shovels a handful of Doritos into his mouth.

Anonymous Scintan June 16, 2015 4:54 PM  

I'm being an agent provocateur. Ya know, the thing that makes Indian cuisine interesting is the spices.

No, you're being an ass.

This wins the thread for Maximum Stupid.

You were, ahem, talking about people being an ass?


Yes. You're being one. I responded in kind. Now that we know you understand it, you've no excuse for continuing to behave in that manner.

Anonymous Donn #0114 June 16, 2015 5:01 PM  

What the hell happened to you scoob? Seriously, you've gone off the damn rails for a while now. When people change that much in such a short time something's wrong.

You know you're bad when you remind people of yama or tad. It says more you can't stay away when banned. That's obsessive behavior type stuff.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) June 16, 2015 5:01 PM  

My Tor Books count is up from 27 to 44. No, I haven't been stocking up in advance of the boycott; I just remembered that in the early '80's, before Tom Doherty's other imprints were founded, a lot of SF&F from that publisher got catalogued as "Tom Doherty, Associates."

Anonymous Krul June 16, 2015 5:06 PM  

I've got to thank you, Jim. After your comment I couldn't resist going back and reading some Macbeth. Upon doing so I was struck by this quote which sounds like it could be addressed to any group of SJW's (male or female):

"you should be women,
And yet your beards forbid me to interpret
That you are so.
"
-Banquo addressing the Weird Sisters

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 5:10 PM  

"If you disapprove of Tor Books (and maybe you're in the right) . . ."

To clarify: the disapproval is direct towards the behavior of certain senior members employed by Tor . . .

Anonymous The General June 16, 2015 5:12 PM  

You nazis are hilarious. The blog owner is sooo mad that he was called a nazi that hevis organizing his own little Kristallnacht. Maybe he will make GRRM a little yellow star? Scalzi wear a pink triangle? Like most Bible-thumping bullies, Beale is a flaming hypocrite.

Anonymous scoobius "FoB" dubious June 16, 2015 5:13 PM  

"What the hell happened to you scoob? Seriously, you've gone off the damn rails for a while now"

Well, I certainly appreciate the concern. If this many people are this irritated, then I'm obliged to take notice. Though I have to point out that a) not sure I agree, and b) I've been very irritating in the past, and people were less offended. What's the change? I have to acknowledge that people have indicated one, but not sure I would know. Anyway, 'nuff 'bout me, the thread can't be about me.

Blogger Josh June 16, 2015 5:21 PM  

Didn't scoob get banned?

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 5:23 PM  

"Didn't scoob get banned?"

Affirmative.

Anonymous Steve June 16, 2015 5:24 PM  

Maybe he will make GRRM a little yellow star?

Or an orange one, made out of two nacho cheese flavoured Doritos.

On second thoughts, gluttonous George would just eat it.

Best just make him wear a manky sweat-stained fat guy hat instead.

Scalzi wear a pink triangle?

But that would clash with his dress.

Anonymous Harsh June 16, 2015 5:45 PM  

Shut up, scooby.

Blogger grendel June 16, 2015 5:48 PM  

Sprinkle sprinkle manky hat
I know where you have been at
Rotting on a hippo's head
If I touched you I'd be dead
Just a little twist or squeeze
Transfers nihilist disease
From thy stank and salty band
To the unsuspecting hand
Truly, hat, you smell like fish
The Greeks have naught to do with this

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 16, 2015 5:56 PM  

Hey, leave Friend of Bill alone! I, for one minion, find him funny, and don't resent his humor. But I do have three questions:

1. Who is scoobius?
2. Why did scoobius get banned?
3. Is Friend of Bill...scoobius?

Bonus question 4: If you are Mr. scoobius, hello and what are you doing back?

Blogger Danby June 16, 2015 6:10 PM  

Hey, General
Big Gay Steve and Rabbi B, Scott and Shimson would like to discuss the nazi thing. In the parking lot.

The only nazis here, in the sense of totalitarian control freaks, are the SJWs, you fucking nazi.

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 6:10 PM  

It's my understanding that when the ban-hammer falls around here, it does not fall lightly and not without significant provocation first. VD exercises the patience of Job - in my humble estimation.

Anonymous Steve June 16, 2015 6:13 PM  

Grendel - O Captain! My Captain!

You, sir, are a warrior-poet.

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 6:13 PM  

"SJWs"

Stands for 'Social Justice Whiners", yes? Not really warriors in the true and most noble sense of term, anyhow.

Anonymous Pax Romana June 16, 2015 6:24 PM  

Rabbi, I've been using "Whorriers" for a while. Might have picked it up off this blog or comments section.

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 6:28 PM  

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Blogger VD June 16, 2015 6:29 PM  

Yes, FoB is Scoobius, and yes, he is banned for being a mincing little attention whore who comments in an incontinent manner when he's in a manic phase. Looks like it's that time of the month again.

Shadowmaster, register and spam as usual, please.

Blogger Rabbi B June 16, 2015 6:33 PM  

"Big Gay Steve and Rabbi B, Scott and Shimson would like to discuss the nazi thing. In the parking lot."

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CqttvCMXV9E/0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VET37.jpg

https://andrewkach.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/hebrew_hammer.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MWNe7Ecx_Qg/hqdefault.jpg

Anonymous Steve June 16, 2015 6:43 PM  

Rabbi B - the "warrior" part of SJW is pure sarcasm.

Like the middle B in BBW.

If these Tumblrinas, rainbow-haired she-twinks, and humungous heffalumpen humanatees ever encountered the Evil Legion of Evil in the decidedly non-safe space that is real life, they'd scurry back to their hugboxes faster than George R R Martin can inhale a box of doughnuts.

And that is pretty damn fast. I hear Rape Rape once devoured a binbag full of pastries so quickly he broke causality.

Cosmologists have been pondering the origin of the CMB cold spot. Some say it's another universe bruising the fabric of this one, or a supervoid caused by fluctuations in the expansion of the early universe.

But actually this mindbogglingly vast area of cosmic desolation was created when G R R Martin, Big Seanan McGuire, and Rachel Swirsky all turned up at the same buffet table and proceeded to eat the fabric of spacetime itself while they awaited the fortieth platter of spicy chicken wings.

Only the woman-repellant properties of the Rapemeister's manky hat prevented those three immense entities from getting too close and coalescing into a supergiant black hole that would've eaten the electrons, polished off the protons, and nommed on the neutrons of every atom in our local galactic cluster.

Anonymous Viidad June 16, 2015 6:44 PM  

Don't forget this awesome Jew:

https://andywrasman.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/samson.jpg

Let the Philistines be crushed!

Anonymous Shadowmaster June 16, 2015 6:48 PM  

Shadowmaster, register and spam as usual, please.

I swear it will be done.

Blogger VFM #0209* June 16, 2015 6:50 PM  

Steve, do you have any books published? If not, why not?

Blogger VFM #0209* June 16, 2015 6:54 PM  

Alas, this minion has failed. I only have three Tor books, all the rest were consigned to the used bookstore during the last move. I'll go get on Malwyn's practice list.

Blogger Jourdan June 16, 2015 6:57 PM  

Rabbi B - the "warrior" part of SJW is pure sarcasm.

Like the middle B in BBW.


Or like the R in GRR

Blogger Jason June 16, 2015 7:13 PM  

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Blogger Jason June 16, 2015 7:13 PM  

Is GRRiM an idiot or does he really want to see Gallo/Feder/Hayden fired?

I didn't send any complaining emails until after they started dismissing it as bots.

I hadn't done a photo of Tor products (All ebooks and audible at this point) yet but will be getting one to Jagi soon after this dismissal.

I'm sure i'm not the only one who was annoyed but not incensed at the original comments, but was far more enraged and inspired to action by the double down and the dismissal.

Blogger JAY WILL June 16, 2015 7:21 PM  

VD your swearing, your words make it seem like your wound up, your not normally like that. Do you doubt that this will have much effect?

To what extent are "complaints" meaningless? For example, do the BBC only make public the complaints that they wanted to react to anyway. When they get thousands for something like UKIP they just ignore them? Addressing complaints therefore being little more than propaganda. Can 1000 emails and a boycott threat have that much effect?

I hope I'm wrong but I think this is all marginal enough to not have much of an impact. The bottom line has to be hurt enough that they HAVE to react. If its too small they can just blank it. You have to be part of building companies, groups that overcome them by size/scale. Your doing that but it has to be big enough so that you can exclude them, marginalize them, as they want to do to you.

I think you overestimate MacMillan caring about this as well. Its not big enough.

Its all going to fall apart soon anyway, as Ive learnt from your blog more than any other, nobody will care about book deals if the shit hits the fan. EU Financial/state collapse could easily turn Fat Boy Slim's vastly over rated fantasy world into part reality. Greece has lurched to the left, the big lurch to the right always comes next when the lefty dreams are burst.

Anonymous Steve June 16, 2015 7:22 PM  

VFM #0209* - that is a very kind question.

Probably the only good piece of advice I've ever seen from John Scalzi was when he angrily rebuffed critics of Redshirts by suggesting they try to write something better. His intention may have been to snark, but he was right. It's better to create than to mock, though I still think why not both?

I do enjoy tinkering with words and hope to have something I can submit to Castalia House in future.

Most likely, to be rewarded with the tender ministrations of Malwyn's venom-soaked scourge for my presumptousness.

But I shall comfort myself with the knowledge that senior British politicians and High Court judges pay good money for that sort of thing.

And it'll still be better than Redshirts.

Anonymous Zimri June 16, 2015 7:33 PM  

Samson was para-Jewish, from Dan. Not from Judah.

The whole tribe of Dan might have been more para-Philistine at the time. The archaeologists I hung around with in Ashqelon 1993 all seemed to think so. They brought up the Denyen from the "Sea Peoples" accounts in Egypt, also Samson's likeness to Greek heroes like Mopsus and Heracles. (Even Milton suspected that Samson as "Herculean"...)

Samson was probably posthumously adopted into Israel when Saul's and/or David's kingdom annexed the Danite colony at Laish.

Blogger Groot June 16, 2015 7:33 PM  

I think the Rape Rape is really starting to stick, and ooh! does it chafe. A GRRM of truth plus funny equals meme goodness. "No mas," he pleads. "Stop attacking me." But that would be Social Justice. We prefer actual justice.

Anonymous Boogeyman #0240 June 16, 2015 7:35 PM  

Hey, hey , hey ... I use deodorant every dam day!

https://tempestinateardrop.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/amazon_shopping.png

Blogger Zimri June 16, 2015 7:35 PM  

I hear Rape Rape once devoured a binbag full of pastries so quickly he broke causality.

I do believe I'm going to steal this zinger in future.

Blogger VD June 16, 2015 7:43 PM  

VD your swearing, your words make it seem like your wound up, your not normally like that. Do you doubt that this will have much effect?

Say what? No, I'm not wound up, I try to clean up my language here for the most part. I can swear fairly fluently in five languages.

To what extent are "complaints" meaningless? For example, do the BBC only make public the complaints that they wanted to react to anyway. When they get thousands for something like UKIP they just ignore them? Addressing complaints therefore being little more than propaganda. Can 1000 emails and a boycott threat have that much effect?

Depends on the organization. BBC can do whatever it wants. A corporation with thin profit margins can't.

I hope I'm wrong but I think this is all marginal enough to not have much of an impact. The bottom line has to be hurt enough that they HAVE to react. If its too small they can just blank it.

Don't fall back into being such a Gamma. Gammas specialize in rationalizing their fear of failure. If we fail, then we'll learn from it and come back stronger next time. Here is the vital thing: you cannot learn from doing nothing. Either Macmillan will be sensible or they won't. Either the boycott will be effective or it won't.

And if it isn't, then we're in exactly the same place as if we'd never done anything. Stop living to protect your precious feelings. That's not living, that's curling up in a permanent fetal position. Failure is what leads to success.

The most psychologically hardened athletes I've ever seen were a group of 8 year old kids who lost every single game when they were six by scores of 11-0 and 13-1. Two years later, they went undefeated and shocked two professional club teams full of stars. They had no fear. Go down by two goals, so what? Don't quit, come back, and win.

In the finals of a big tournament, they went up 2-1 against the pro team. Every single head on the other team dropped. They basically quit and we won 5-1. It's fine to fail. It's okay to lose. But it's not okay to quit.

Anonymous JRL June 16, 2015 7:50 PM  

Like most Bible-thumping bullies, Beale is a flaming hypocrite.

Then there's the SJW prog, who's moralometer always points at "self righteous". Being incapable of hypocrisy, he settles for being a judgemental whiner.

Blogger James Dixon June 16, 2015 7:56 PM  

> What's the change? I have to acknowledge that people have indicated one, but not sure I would know

For starters, the readership has expanded, and the newcomers have less patience for your antics than the old timers did. And they start wearing thin even on old timers after a while.

Also, a number of us live and work in technology related fields. SF is our literature. We grew up on it and it's embodies our dreams for the future. Admitting to not sharing or understanding our viewpoint is one thing. Trashing it and calling it juvenile is another.

Anonymous the bandit June 16, 2015 8:01 PM  

"Naked with a hat" day gets a hundred times as many....

I Googled "Naked with a hat" day and the only sites that came up on the first page had to do with GRRM's reference to it (including, for example, this post). I think GRRM is lying even here.

Blogger Russell (106) June 16, 2015 8:01 PM  

Beale is a flaming hypocrite

Maybe. But he's got a flaming sword, and that trumps 'hypocrite'.

It says so in the Bible.

Anonymous BigGaySteve June 16, 2015 8:13 PM  

I guess I will have to go through the boxes. Everyone make sure to remove your gps data from the image metadata so the CHORFS don't try to swat you.

" "Naked with a hat" day gets a hundred times as many." " are seldom really as big as they appear . . How big a heap? How many?"

Is he actually naked or do the fat rolls cover it. They say for every 30 pounds you lose you gain an inch.

You know, if he spent half as much effort writing his series as he does writing about puppies, ASOIAF would have been done ages ago.
If they locked him in a cage and only gave him a bag of Doritos for each chapter he wrote He would have knocked out the whole series in a year.

Boyfriend of BillI gave up SFF when I was like 12. Innit time you do the same?

Odd that you have a dog in this fight. Do you have any idea how much schadenfreude I purchased for only $40? An all you can eat years supply, & its not even fattening. GRapeRapeM is dancing about on our strings instead of putting out books that would let him buy more yearlong passes at buffets. Which side had to give out "scholarships" for illegal aliens, homeless men and the dead to vote?

Rabbi, I've been using "Whorriers" I do Worriers

Hey, General Big Gay Steve and Rabbi B, Scott and Shimson would like to discuss the nazi thing. In the parking lot.

I do like me some hugo boss. Check this out https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/0/0d/Nazis_and_gays_hate_feminists.png

Greece has lurched to the left, the big lurch to the right always comes next when the lefty dreams are burst.

Funny that even though leftists are in power now, they threatened to unleash the nigapocalypse on the EU by threatening to give illegals papers to get into get into better welfare states legally.

Anonymous Tom June 16, 2015 8:15 PM  

Reply to #96.

We had a league below Little League in my town for baseball. My team got beaten badly every game for I don't even remember how many games. It had to do with dad-coaches moving their kids around to other teams to make super teams. Meanwhile, the dad-coach on our team was in prison because he'd tried to burn down his house with his wife and son (the catcher) in the attic.

Fast forward to junior high and high school football. We only loose three games in six years when we're the oldest kids at a given level. And we're mean.

The catcher from the baseball team is playing middle linebacker one game and a kid on the other team smarts off to him. We're up by thirty or something at that point, so the next play, the linebacker throws a full windup haymaker right into the kid's nuts. He gets hit with about four different ref's yellow flags and just starts walking to the bench, knowing that he's getting kicked out.

That guy ends up as an Army Ranger in Iraq.

Mentally tough can sometimes be hard to distinguish from completely deranged. But, that can totally be to your advantage.

Hell, isn't that basically the victory condition for 4G war? Convince the other side you're so deranged they had better just give up and stop fighting? Hmmm...

Anonymous Geoff June 16, 2015 8:17 PM  

A gay hypocrite?

Sounds sexy.

Blogger VFM #0209* June 16, 2015 8:21 PM  

Steve, given how you handle words, you write it, I'll buy it.

Anonymous BGS June 16, 2015 8:30 PM  

A gay hypocrite? Sounds sexy.

If you are a gay that doesn't want more taken out of your wallet in taxes just because LaQueefa squatted out more illegitimate crack babies come on over to http://www.gaypatriot.net/

Blogger murphaticlaw June 16, 2015 8:37 PM  

Because getting a hat and not getting clothes is the same as spending hundreds of dollars over a score of years on books.

And Social Justice Warriors are just grievance studies whiners with delusions of grandeur.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 16, 2015 8:37 PM  

Vox, are Yama's activities elsewhere online of any interest to you at this point, or is it not an issue as long as he stays away from you? I'm asking because I've seen him pop up a couple of times.

Blogger Groot June 16, 2015 8:38 PM  

VFM #0209:

What is "words" code for, or "write it"? What is this, CraigsList? I feel dirty.

Anonymous Ask Mr. Lizard June 16, 2015 8:44 PM  

Rape Rape so fat he wear an asteroid belt.

Anonymous Geoff June 16, 2015 8:46 PM  

Haha, thanks BGS. I identify as straight but I was amused by the "flaming hypocrite" description. The SJWs accuse VD of homophobia but then call him a flamer? It is clear who is the hypocrite in this case and it isn't VD.

Anonymous Giuseppe June 16, 2015 8:48 PM  

It's my understanding that when the ban-hammer falls around here, it does not fall lightly and not without significant provocation first. VD exercises the patience of Job - in my humble estimation.

Seconded (look at that...I got called a neo-nazi earlier in the month and here I am agreeing with a jew. Maybe we should take a picture of it and send it to Irene Cock. Gallo. I mean. Italians will understand)


And thank God he banned him again. I find that pompous prick more irritating than most SJWs.

As for SJW, I call them Social Justice Wankers. They are furious mental masturbators after all.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 16, 2015 8:49 PM  

If you are a gay that doesn't want more taken out of your wallet in taxes just because LaQueefa squatted out more illegitimate crack babies come on over to http://www.gaypatriot.net/

I actually really enjoy that site. Are you one of the bloggers there? If so, my compliments on a job well done.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 16, 2015 8:50 PM  

Although I should point out--I'm straight. I still enjoy it anyway.

Blogger Ben Cohen June 16, 2015 8:51 PM  

Vox, no love for Stannis the one true king? It was pathetic how he was killed off.

Blogger Russell (106) June 16, 2015 8:58 PM  

"Naked with a hat" day gets a hundred times as many

At least, according his browser history.

Blogger Alexander June 16, 2015 8:59 PM  

I like 'Social Justice Warrior' because it's seven-lies-in-one. You lose hat if you go with Wanker or Whoreier or Worrier.

Anonymous Dr. J June 16, 2015 9:18 PM  

@Steve, #83

Usually, brevity wins the thread. Congratulations on flaunting the usual rule. Brilliant.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) June 16, 2015 9:21 PM  

Just combing through what I have on Goodreads.com , I have 36 Tor books, out of 492 books total. I'm sure if I comb my shelves I have another dozen more at least that haven't made it to my online list.

Blogger VFM #0209* June 16, 2015 9:23 PM  

@Steve: "rewarded with the tender ministrations of Malwyn's venom-soaked scourge for my presumptousness."

Somehow, I think McRapey, in his heart of hearts, yearns for the touch of the Multi-Nippled One's scourge. Too bad.

Anonymous Dr. J June 16, 2015 9:24 PM  

@JAY WILL

It seems the concern trolls always appear to advise surrender before battle has been joined. It's almost as routine as the snarky snipers who always refer to Vox as "the blog owner," as they daren't speak nor type his name. I've always wondered if these faint-hearted allies are just another version of SJW troll, but quickly realize the subtlety would be way beyond them.

Unfortunately, far too many on our side get the vapors at the mere mention of hostilities with the lunatic left. But I guess only a third of colonists supported the Revolution, and we know how that turned out.

Blogger VFM #0209* June 16, 2015 9:25 PM  

Sorry Groot. Can't tell you. Minion code. Very hush-hush and all that. Malwyn enforced. You understand.

Anonymous hideous June 16, 2015 9:26 PM  

Is there some way to get a repeating 2-second loop of this starting at time index 1:59?

How do you feel about rape?

Maybe tack on 0:13 through 0:15 after the first bit.

Anonymous Leonidas June 16, 2015 9:42 PM  

Everyone make sure to remove your gps data from the image metadata so the CHORFS don't try to swat you.

And here I was going to post the address to my dojo and dare them to come call me a neo-Nazi to my face, in front of my students.

Anonymous BGS June 16, 2015 9:43 PM  

If anyone is looking for a forge there is a 10% of for one under $200 with shipping.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jof4OubyeMY

I can't find Naked With Hat even checked to make sure I didn't have any filters on. Perhaps its another lie.

Lightweight gun for girl cops causing accidental shootings http://news.yahoo.com/gun-blamed-rise-la-county-deputy-shootings-174044276.html

Are you one of the bloggers there? No I am Not A Bloger there, I do submit news stories. There is another Steve that posts there, and ex. I am the one that doesn't try to seduce drunk str8 boys down by the railroad tracks. If you think I don't like my taxes going to crackbabies this is even worse"Hotel costs for First Lady Michelle Obama to see cultural sites in Venice during the last leg of her trip overseas is costing taxpayers $128,781."
GP didn't want to post this one because James Edwards and Rusty would support it. http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/video-young-boy-twerking-pride-has-homophobes-outraged150615

Anonymous Godfrey June 16, 2015 9:45 PM  

I just love how these SJW assholes can dish it out, but can't take it. That's what makes this war so much fun.

If Tor doesn't fire the hateful Christo-phobic mysandrist hypocrite, then I refuse to buy Tor books.

Blogger MendoScot June 16, 2015 9:50 PM  

I can swear fairly fluently in five languages.

Yes, no, greetings and farewells, count, swear then curse.

You now have your basic grasp of any language.

Xxseptt Vvynniicjhh.

Blogger Achillea June 16, 2015 9:52 PM  

Damnit, warn a body, willya? 'naked with a hat' immediately made my imagination try to picture GRRM wearing nothing but a beret.

I'll just be over there gibbering in the corner.

Anonymous Jay Will June 16, 2015 10:06 PM  

@VD

"Gammas specialize in rationalising their fear of failure"

Im not aware im doing it. Dont understand myself very well. Looking for excuses continually, to offload. For example, with pool I have to put an act on to try and hide the truth that I avoid bigger games because im shitting out not because "I just want to have a laugh". Was bit dejected tonight been playing more and just wasn't happening earlier. Cant seem to evaluate things well. Underlying lack of humility, undeserved entitlement to "glory". What if they knew what I dreamt about! Bubble has to burst, im too arrogant to let anybody in, will cry like a loser. Sensitivity, and my hatred of it, is the heart if it all. "Whats wrong, John?" Silence, little baby tears well up. People like me and I fckin hate myself.

DrJ was right, was concern trolling hence "I hope im wrong" bs. Depressingly predictable.

Anonymous Jay Will June 16, 2015 10:11 PM  

Hate myself and love myself all at the same time. Big ego low self esteem.

Anonymous ticticboom June 16, 2015 10:49 PM  

David Gerrold offers an olive branch in one hand, and a slap in the face with the other.

If Gerrold had written this months ago before defaming half of fandom, maybe. Might have helped if half his post wasn't attacking our side while simultaneously not only denying anyone on their side ever attacked anyone, but that there aren't any sides at all.

Not to mention demanding as a precondition some on the other side attack their, if not ally, then co-belligerant. "Let's you and him fight" has always been one of the left's most successful tactics.

As far as I'm concerned, they took a mansion and turned it into a crack house. The only question is if it's worth renovating or if it should just be torn down. At this point, if the end result is that the Hugos and Tor wind up in the dustbin of history, nothing of value will have been lost. The Hugos are currently a joke, and the few Tor authors I read already have books out with other publishers, so Tor going out of business won't be an undue burden on them.

Anonymous ticticboom June 16, 2015 10:58 PM  

@Jay Will:

Take as long a vacation as you can get away with. Rent a cabin or rough it, depending on your experience. Go alone. Don't bring any reading material or electronic devices, except maybe an emergency beacon. A pack of cards for entertainment, at most. Don't just sit around. Chop firewood. Build a lean-to. If you can, cook and eat something you killed yourself, preferably something bigger than a fish. Hopefully that will help get your head straight.

Unless you're a woman, in which case ignore everything I said. Guys need solitude sometimes or they go crazy. Solitude is more likely to make women go crazy.

Anonymous Field Commander zen0 June 16, 2015 11:05 PM  

129. Jay Will June 16, 2015 10:11 PM

Hate myself and love myself all at the same time. Big ego low self esteem.


You just need a direction in your life. Email for a VFM badge. You sound like you could be a stone cold killer, given the right motivation.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 16, 2015 11:10 PM  

I wonder about this "heap-load" of readers. How big a heap?

Oh, so Rape Rape isn't just a misogynist, but a racist too, dragging out the old ethnic slurs when discussing a Native American writer. Heap-big pile of of books, eh? Next I suppose he'll be asking Vox to smoke-um peace pipe.

Blogger Dexter June 16, 2015 11:22 PM  

David Gerrold offers an olive branch in one hand, and a slap in the face with the other.

Yawn. Just the usual SJW efforts to split their opposition ("moderates", you must disavow the "extremists"!) and get the opposition fighting each other.

Also, TL;DR

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 16, 2015 11:30 PM  

Reference comment #96:

We have already won. Or, more precisely, there is no way we *can't* win. Work through the possibilities, best to worst. Worst case scenario is that no one gets fired at Tor, no one resigns, they all continue merrily on, and our boycott has no visible effect.

But consider: Not a dollar of our money will *ever* go to Tor in the future. This means a substantial number of people---probably over 1,000 sci fi readers---will no longer feed or support a company that holds us in contempt. Tor doesn't get driven out of business? So what? OUR money won't be going to them, and that's important. Furthermore, we will tell Wright and Anderson and others "Please get away from Tor as soon as you can in the future, so we can buy your books again. Or give us a chance to buy them directly from you. Or tell us where to send money when we buy one of your books used." All this means we won't ever again spend a penny that will go into the pockets of Tor and its SJW leadership.

And we will continue to spread the meme: Tor sucks. It is led by lying SJW scum who hate freedom-oriented sci fi fans, and have made it known. We see the boycott continues on to expand *forever*. No effect on Tor? So what? We're in this for the long haul, and one of our aims is to stop supporting SJW's wherever they park their ugly snouts.

Bottom line: Even the worst case scenario will be a win. for all of us.

Anonymous Field Commander zen0 June 16, 2015 11:43 PM  

@ 135. VFM bot #188

All this means we won't ever again spend a penny that will go into the pockets of Tor and its SJW leadership.

Improvement in increments. But constant improvement, step by step by step.
Time after time.


From Chairman Mao's concluding address to the Seventh National Congress of the Communist Party of China. June 11, 1945


There is an ancient Chinese fable called "The Foolish Old Man Who Removed the Mountains". It tells of an old man who lived in northern China long, long ago and was known as the Foolish Old Man of North Mountain. His house faced south and beyond his doorway stood the two great peaks, Taihang and Wangwu, obstructing the way. He called his sons, and hoe in hand they began to dig up these mountains with great determination. Another graybeard, known as the Wise Old Man, saw them and said derisively, "How silly of you to do this! It is quite impossible for you few to dig up those two huge mountains." The Foolish Old Man replied, "When I die, my sons will carry on; when they die, there will be my grandsons, and then their sons and grandsons, and so on to infinity. High as they are, the mountains cannot grow any higher and with every bit we dig, they will be that much lower. Why can't we clear them away?" Having refuted the Wise Old Man's wrong view, he went on digging every day, unshaken in his conviction. God was moved by this, and he sent down two angels, who carried the mountains away on their backs. Today, two big mountains lie like a dead weight on the Chinese people. One is imperialism, the other is feudalism. The Chinese Communist Party has long made up its mind to dig them up. We must persevere and work unceasingly, and we, too, will touch God's heart. Our God is none other than the masses of the Chinese people. If they stand up and dig together with us, why can't these two mountains be cleared away?

Now our God is not the Chairman's God. But I am sure you get the picture.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 16, 2015 11:58 PM  

Actually, I was wondering if Ole Rapey's recent outburts are diabetes-related.

Diabetics often ride the emotional rollercoaster


I've heard Alzheimer's referred to as Type 3 Diabetes.

Blogger Groot June 16, 2015 11:58 PM  

Mao? What next, Stalin, then Hitler? How many socialist quotes up your sleeve?

Anonymous FP June 16, 2015 11:59 PM  

"Stands for 'Social Justice Whiners", yes? Not really warriors in the true and most noble sense of term, anyhow. "

Its also apparently "Sensitive Joss Whedon". Apparently he got upset about 70s era sexism in the new Jurassic World movie:

https://youtu.be/iN6Rlh4KonQ?t=919

Blogger John Wright June 17, 2015 12:07 AM  

@ Friend of Bill

"Grow the hell up, and start reading _real_ literature, not this zany slosh. If you need me to, I can make you a starter list. I gave up SFF when I was like 12. "

Remind me, again, please which book was voted the best book of the century by the prestigious Waterstone's readers' poll?

http://home.comcast.net/~antaylor1/waterstones100.html

Hm. First book is a fantasy, and the next is science fiction. I also see Aldous Huxley on the list.

Is everyone but YOU a twelve year old? Only twelve year olds boast about how old they are, and only fools boast about how wise.

Yes, by all means give us your suggested starter list, you illiterate snob. Here is mine:

http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/06/the-great-books-online/

I will happily compare my scholarly and literate credentials with yours. We can start with a discussion of the Telemachiad section of Homer's famous epic.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 17, 2015 12:14 AM  

Stands for 'Social Justice Whiners", yes? Not really warriors in the true and most noble sense of term, anyhow.

They're anti-social and unjust too, so "Warrior" just makes it a trifecta.

Blogger Jourdan June 17, 2015 12:15 AM  

Guys, with respect, no, that is not a victory. It's looking on the bright side of a loss.

There is still time yet, and I am still a bit hopeful, though. Let's hang in there and hope there are some in both companies who recognize the danger of allowing one's business to become a wholly-owned subsidiary of Self-Righteous Leftism, Inc.

Blogger John Wright June 17, 2015 12:16 AM  

"
Probably the only good piece of advice I've ever seen from John Scalzi was when he angrily rebuffed critics of Redshirts by suggesting they try to write something better."

Hmmm.....

(wavy lines screenwipe, harp music, and cut to....)

http://www.apex-magazine.com/if-you-were-a-dinosaur-my-love/

http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/11/the-queen-of-the-tyrant-lizards/

Blogger Jourdan June 17, 2015 12:17 AM  

He's just trying to get a rise out of you Mr. Wright. Don't give him the satisfaction. Everyone here knows how valuable and well-loved sci-fi and fantasy are.

Blogger automatthew June 17, 2015 12:18 AM  

John Wright, "Friend of Bill" is a known troll (aka scoobius doobius), and banned here. Anything else he posts will be deleted. You might invite him to debate you at your place though. Save me a seat.

Blogger automatthew June 17, 2015 12:19 AM  

I mean, he claims to like Joyce and Pynchon. That's obviously cause for immediate banning.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 17, 2015 12:26 AM  


http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/06/the-great-books-online/


I'm currently (re-)reading Gibbon's Decline and Fall and frankly, I think A Game of Thrones is a slightly less depressing read. But unlike Rape-Rape's doorstopper, what Gibbon wrote about really happened when power for the sake of power became the driving force in society.

Blogger John Wright June 17, 2015 12:27 AM  

"he claims to like Joyce and Pynchon"

Now I feel dirty and used for even having addressed a comment to him electronically.

I must go to the memory eraser helmet and cleanse my brain. Unfortunately, I cannot remember where I left it. Or what my name is.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8246/8469130791_31ebf56259.jpg

Blogger automatthew June 17, 2015 12:31 AM  

"Finnegan's Wake" is an excellent drinking song, though.


Tim revives, see how he rises,
Timothy rising from the bed.
"Whirl your whiskey round like blazes!
Thunderin' Jaysus, d'ye think I'm dead?"

Anonymous Eric Wilson (#0242) June 17, 2015 12:59 AM  

Mr. Wright,

I am obliged to note that your list does actually contain Joyce's A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, which I believe to be the single most boring book in the history of literature. As long as we are defining "history of literature" to be "books that Eric has read."

Not that I disagree with you in any sense, otherwise.

Anonymous Eric Wilson (#0242) June 17, 2015 1:03 AM  

Also, The Abolition of Man (or anything from Lewis) is conspicuous in its absence.

Although, reading through the comments I see that you allow for potential tweaks.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 June 17, 2015 1:03 AM  

Speaking of Evil acts of the Evil Minions of Evil, my third evil white male future oppressor/son was born Friday. I severed his umbilical cord with the Spec Plus Raider Bowie Knife I took to Iraq in 2003. Several of the midwives in attendance covered their eyes with their hands as I sliced through the thick, elastic material with my blade, which had been sterilized in boiling water for 20 minutes prior to the slice.

Oh it was a great day.

Anonymous Eric Wilson (#0242) June 17, 2015 1:09 AM  

Congrats Stg!!!

Blogger Groot June 17, 2015 1:15 AM  

@ Stg58 / Animal Mother:

I am Groot!!

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 17, 2015 1:40 AM  

Probably the only good piece of advice I've ever seen from John Scalzi was when he angrily rebuffed critics of Redshirts by suggesting they try to write something better.

This, of course, is actually terrible advice for two reasons. First, it assumes that criticism and fiction writing serve the same purpose. They do not; it takes a different skillset to write good criticism than it does to make good fiction. This is why we have editors.

Second, it takes away the opinion of *everybody* who hasn't tried to write a book. Are you a plumber working two jobs to raise your kids? Too bad! You're NOT ALLOWED to criticize "Redshirts"!

It's ridiculous, a cowardly attempt to rebuff criticism that should be exposed for what it is.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 17, 2015 1:41 AM  

@ The General You mad dude? You're so funny, I really hope you are SJW top brass. Love your tactics btw but shouting "Nazi" is so pre-#GamerGate.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. He called me a Nazi, the idiot, fat fcuk. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Anonymous Rolf June 17, 2015 1:48 AM  

Congrats, STG58! So that would make him VFM #225.3, right? Or does he get his own number?

Blogger Jim June 17, 2015 1:51 AM  

I will happily compare my scholarly and literate credentials with yours. We can start with a discussion of the Telemachiad section of Homer's famous epic.

That would be unfair. He hasn't read that since he was 12.

Blogger John Wright June 17, 2015 1:52 AM  

"Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" I actually thought showed some craftmanship, and, if sentimental, was well written, albeit on a topic of no interest whatsoever to me.

It is not like his ULYSSES, which I deem to be an inkblot, merely something used by deranged people to talk about whatever free-association of nonsense words brings to mind.

My review of that book is here:

http://www.scifiwright.com/2009/05/ulysses-by-james-joyce/

Blogger Russell (106) June 17, 2015 2:05 AM  

@Eric: I am obliged to note that your list does actually contain Joyce's A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, which I believe to be the single most boring book in the history of literature.

I didn't mind the book. Well crafted, a touch of pathos, and yet fundamentally irrelevant navel-gazing.

Now if you said "The Ambassadors" by Henry James I'd happily concede your point.

Blogger Russell (106) June 17, 2015 2:06 AM  

Ah, Mr. Wright beat me to the punch. That's what I get for wool gathering.

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Blogger maniacprovost June 17, 2015 2:11 AM  

When I think of "real" literature, I think of four categories. 1) Russian novels. 2) American novels like Rabbit, Run! and Catcher in the Rye, which are best used to put oneself to sleep, preferably by hitting oneself in the head with the hardcover version. 3) William Faulkner. 4) Classics of the English language, from Paradise Lost to Nathaniel Hawthorne and Edgar Allen Poe.

Of those, category 2 is simultaneously the worst and the most commonly cited as "literature." Not sure where Balzac, Joyce, and Cervantes fit in.

Blogger Jim June 17, 2015 2:13 AM  

Regarding Ulysses, I have a vision of the most wonderful and evil high school English teacher assigning it to his pupils to be read over the Easter break. Then, when they return, he gives them a simple quiz. Anyone who demonstrates knowledge of the book beyond twenty pages fails.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 17, 2015 2:24 AM  

@164 maniacpovost

Dude, who the fuck doesn't put William Faulkner in number 2? Have you ever try getting past his shit? God fucking damn it. As I Lay Dying was like melatonin, Quaaludes, and Owen Zestava Pitt boring.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 17, 2015 2:27 AM  

"Ulysses" is quite brilliant. It's also an absolutely terrible novel.

Blogger Corvinus June 17, 2015 2:31 AM  

David Gerrold offers an olive branch in one hand, and a slap in the face with the other.

@ticticboom
Well, it was five days ago, but yeah, seeing that hilariously long, as in tl;dr, post from Gerrold was a bit entertaining. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a post that long. But, it's the same ol' "we're okay with Sad Puppies and hate that terrible Vox Day and can't we all just get along?" a la RapeRape.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 17, 2015 2:40 AM  

I think of Faulkner like I think of Hawthorne. "The Scarlet Letter" is easily the very worst book I ever finished, but I really liked the one short story I read by him, "The Black Veil".

As for Faulkner, his novels are indeed snore-inducing, but I really like both "A Rose for Emily" and "Barn Burning".

Hemingway I just don't get.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales June 17, 2015 2:47 AM  

@170 malcomthecynic

Why not? Though Hemingway could put the US Congress and Senate to sleep, and those cats have to deal with some very boring things, at least his prose isn't intentionally confusing and designed to fuck with you like Faulkner's. Plus, at least Hemingway had something resembling a pair of balls on him given that he drove a medical truck for the army in the Spanish American if I'm not mistaken (though correct me if I am wrong).

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 17, 2015 2:54 AM  

Why not?

I honestly don't know, because he should be right up my alley (and Hemingway the man was Way Cool).

"A Clean, Well-Lighted Place" was snore-inducing to me, if well-constructed. "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" was better. Admittedly, I did like that one. "The Sun Also Rises", I thought was just dreadful, and couldn't finish it. "The Old Man and the Sea" bored me as well.

Go figure.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 17, 2015 3:10 AM  

Add mine to the list of congrats, STG58. The future belongs to those who show up.

Rolf, I think the little tyke gets his own number when he guts his first SJW. It can happen surprisingly young though. For instance, if a would-be SJW gives him a doll to play with and he uses it for a gun and makes "pow-pow-pow" sounds...

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 June 17, 2015 3:11 AM  

168. Corvinus

David Gerrold offers an olive branch in one hand, and a slap in the face with the other.

@ticticboom
Well, it was five days ago, but yeah, seeing that hilariously long, as in tl;dr, post from Gerrold was a bit entertaining. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a post that long. But, it's the same ol' "we're okay with Sad Puppies and hate that terrible Vox Day and can't we all just get along?" a la RapeRape.
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Well, I actually did take some time out from inventing and building things in order to read the post and the comments. Know your enemy, after all. The purpose of his post appears to be to attempt to drive a wedge between various groups, RP and SP in particular. Standard practice. The "we are the world" copy is merely the window dressing, as usual:

Exhibit A. "Vox Day is an outlier. He's not one of us. He knows it. He's just a lunatic attention-whore, a screechweasel with an agenda..."

Exhibit B. "I don't know Brad Torgersen and Larry Correia, but people who do speak well of them... they are good people. And they are professionals. They are colleagues. And each and every colleague is entitled to the respect courtesy due every professional in the field."

I've never heard of Mr. Gerrold before (or wasn't paying any attention) but he will be the Guest of Honor at Worldcon this August and the host of the Hugo Awards. As I read his online screed (his term), I kept some things in mind about him. The excerpt currently on his website from "Under the Eye of God" has a passage in it that to me reads like an admiring, first-person account of pornographic homosexual pedophilia. I don't see any mention of this among his admirers. At all. It reminds me of RapeSquared and his admiring first-person POV accounts of rape every 24 pages or so, according to my sources (VD et al). The single, homosexual Mr. Gerrold also adopted an 8yo boy according to wiki, oh by the way. Not to imply that he sodomizes the boy, but will note in passing that boys usually know other boys.

I read it looking for any references to the anus and to excrement, and by golly guess what?

"But I do have a problem with someone rigging the Hugo ballot -- and I'm not alone in that. And based on the evidence, Vox Day is the asshole who did the most damage."

"...we're all living inside our own perceptions of what happened. Actually, at this point, we're the seventh blind man, the one who stuck his hand into the elephant's ass -- "an elephant is deep and squooshy.""

Okee. What's on your mind, Mr Gerrold?

" Instead of flinging shit at each other and howling like monkeys, maybe it's time we all stopped and looked at the damage we're doing to ourselves, to each other, to our genre, to our community, to our family."

And let us not forget the little boys, either.

Blogger Shimshon June 17, 2015 4:19 AM  

I have the entire Wheel of Time series (multiple copies of some). Brandon Sanderson stuff. I'm pretty sure others. My father in law is a BIG buyer of Tor books. I gotta raise the topic of a boycott with him. I wish playing the anti-semite card was enough. Now I need to go find them. Ah well.

The wagon-circling of the degree we've seen so far, when an SJW is subject to actions like this, is really astonishing. Nobel prize winners and computing giants have fallen far harder far faster over far less. No response to date also means the matter is still being heavily discussed, probably extremely heatedly, internally. Oh to have ears! I still believe she's going to commit seppuku, voluntarily, of course. The longer the delay, the more likely it is she will.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2015 4:30 AM  

> Dude, who the fuck doesn't put William Faulkner in number 2?

That would be Nate. You'll have to take it up with him, as I've never been able to stand anything I tried to read by Faulkner.

Anonymous Laz June 17, 2015 5:06 AM  

I wish that David Gerrold had finished The War Against the Chtorr series. I enjoyed it as a teen.

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 17, 2015 8:19 AM  

"The Scarlet Letter" is easily the very worst book I ever finished, but I really liked the one short story I read by him, "The Black Veil".

Clearly you've never read the Grapes of Wrath or Moby Dick.

Blogger Daniel June 17, 2015 8:28 AM  

Moby Dick is not a bad book, if you like boats and death. Grapes of Wrath is pretty bad though. Only book that ever had me rooting for the company store. Disappointing thing about that one is that it could have been a decent book, had Tom Joad had a sense of humor.

Anonymous Krul June 17, 2015 8:44 AM  

Joshua Dyal,

I get where you're coming from, but I must respond. I LOVE Moby Dick.

I admit, the first couple of times I tried to read it I got bored and put it aside. But the third time, I just couldn't put it down. It's so unique and so vivid.

But for me to try to defend this masterpiece would be gilding the lily, so I'll just post readings of some of my favorite chapters. Don't worry; they're quite short and if you care to give them a chance I'm confident you'll find them quite enjoyable.

Chapter 9: The Sermon (This is the best and most well read of the three.)
Chapter 64: Stubb's Supper
Chapter 94: A Squeeze of the Hand

Anonymous Krul June 17, 2015 8:45 AM  

Joshua Dyal,

I get where you're coming from, but I must respond. I LOVE Moby Dick.

I admit, the first couple of times I tried to read it I got bored and put it aside. But the third time, I just couldn't put it down. It's so unique and so vivid.

But for me to try to defend this masterpiece would be gilding the lily, so I'll just post readings of some of my favorite chapters. Don't worry; they're quite short and if you care to give them a chance I'm confident you'll find them quite enjoyable.

Chapter 9: The Sermon (This is the best and most well read of the three.)
Chapter 64: Stubb's Supper
Chapter 94: A Squeeze of the Hand

Blogger luagha June 17, 2015 10:42 AM  

As for Faulkner, how can someone who creates and uses the word 'womanshenegro' be wrong?

Blogger VFM bot #188 June 17, 2015 10:50 AM  

The wagon-circling of the degree we've seen so far, when an SJW is subject to actions like this, is really astonishing. Nobel prize winners and computing giants have fallen far harder far faster over far less.

Quite so. There is a lesson here. When normal people get attacked by a faux SJW mob, there is no one to circle the wagons around them. No one to protect them. If there had been a rapid and rabid Identify, Name, and Target! response to the attempted defenestrations of Brendan Eich, Dr. Matt Taylor, and now Dr. Tim Hunt, they could possibly have stood fast, and perhaps been given both backbone and instruction on counterattacking.

I wonder if providing "shock-troops-with-wagons" might not be the ultimate destiny of the growing armies of Ilk, Dread Ilk, Gamergaters, Sad Puppies, Rabid Puppies, and most of all, the unspeakably valuable, steadfast, ferocious and loyal...Vile Faceless Minions.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) June 17, 2015 11:34 AM  

David Gerrold wrote:
>The older generations of fans -- the ones who've been part of the regional >conventions, the ones who've remained close to that historical center, tend to >regard the Worldcon and the regional conventions as the Motherland, the place >where it started....

Okay, I'm 52. I've been reading SF since I was 11. I guess by now I'd count as a part of "the older generations of fans." And, yes, I'd say he's right about that much. The Worldcon is indeed the Motherland.

But there's something else he's forgotten, or that he never knew. I thought of it the moment he said that. If you didn't, go reread C.M. Kornbluth's "The Only Thing We Learn."

See you in Kansas City!

Blogger Rabbi B June 17, 2015 11:40 AM  

@Krul

Agreed. I love the opening paragraph and the "damp, drizzly November in my soul." I haven't picked it up in a while, but I used to have a tradition of reading the novel starting in November. Chapter nine is one of my favorites as well.

"Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off - then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me."

Reading Dana's 'Two Years Before the Mast' and 'Ran Away to Sea' to my kids right now.

Great stuff.

Blogger Russell (106) June 17, 2015 12:07 PM  

@Rabbi

"Two Years Before the Mast" is a good choice. In the same vein, I recommend "Captains Courageous" by Kipling.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2015 12:14 PM  

> Clearly you've never read the Grapes of Wrath or Moby Dick.

I've been told that Moby Dick is a very good book if you can get past the first dozen or so chapters. I was never able to.

Anonymous MendoScot June 17, 2015 1:59 PM  

Congrats, stg/AM! Always good to get news of an Ilkling. Rubs SJW noses in their own sterility.

Meant to do the pic last night but I was under the weather and the toddy kicked in before I got around to it. I see from the other pics that I used to own more, but since I culled my collection every time I moved...

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2015 2:57 PM  

> In the same vein, I recommend "Captains Courageous" by Kipling.

Pretty much anything by Kipling is worth recommending.

Anonymous Krul June 17, 2015 6:00 PM  

"Pretty much anything by Kipling is worth recommending"

Gunga Din, sung by Jim Croce

Blogger Rabbi B June 17, 2015 6:14 PM  

" . . . sung by Jim Croce."

Ha. Grew up listening to him on my parent's 8-track. The good die young . . .

Blogger John Wright June 17, 2015 6:37 PM  

I confess that, as a plebian of low tastes, the first three times I tried to read MOBY DICK, I could not get through the darned thing.

But then in a play by mail role playing game, I decided to play Captain Ahab, and in the interests of authentic art, I wanted to have some real dialog or real monolog of the real Captain to use, so I started reading the book.

Fourth time was the charm. I discovered the book is a mass of dark and morbid humor, gallows humor. It is a portrayal of the heartless pagan world, if God hides His face, as if the crewmen of a whaling ship were Greek heroes. The ship, named after a massacred tribe of Indians, is a miniature world.

The fourth time around, I loved it, and read it threw to the end. I pay homage to the work in COUNT TO A TRILLION. My hero tries to read it, but is convinced someone hacked the file and added a bunch of extra nonsense about squeezing ambergris.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 17, 2015 7:59 PM  

What the heck, creepy lecherperv.

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