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Thursday, July 09, 2015

Accountability is abuse

A female officer learns the hard way that holding women accountable is "hostile, unprofessional and abusive":
A Marine officer who led the service's only all-female recruit battalion was fired amid complaints of a toxic leadership environment — but her supporters say she was only trying to make the unit better by holding women to tougher standards.

Lt. Col. Kate Germano, the former commanding officer of 4th Recruit Training Battalion at Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, South Carolina, was found to be "hostile, unprofessional and abusive," according to a command investigation obtained by Marine Corps Times. She was relieved for cause on June 30 by Brig. Gen. Terry Williams, Parris Island's commanding general.

But officers who served with her say she was a blunt reformer who spearheaded efforts to improve recruit training regardless of gender, and that a vocal minority in the battalion undercut her achievements. Germano's tactics, for example, dramatically improved range qualification rates for female recruits.

The ensuing controversy, some say, provides a glimpse into an ongoing struggle to establish equal standards for male and female Marines at the Corps' East Coast recruit depot. Now Germano is petitioning lawmakers for redress, saying she was treated unjustly by base leadership. Germano declined to provide additional details about those efforts, due to concerns about protected communications to Congress.

Williams cited a poor command climate and the loss of trust and confidence in Germano's ability to serve in command, according to a statement that was provided to Marine Corps Times. The command investigation, completed June 25 and obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, states that Germano displayed "toxic leadership" by publicly berating and showing contempt for subordinates, bullying Marines and singling them out for under-performance.

On one occasion, the investigation found, she made comments during a sexual assault prevention brief that female Marines interpreted as victim-blaming, leading some to testify that it would make them feel less comfortable reporting a sexual assault within the command.

Germano also "reinforced gender bias and stereotypes" in the minds of her Marines by telling them on several occasions that male Marines would not take orders from them and would see them as inferior if they could not meet men's physical standards, the investigation found.
Women seem to be very, very uncomfortable with the idea that if you are inferior, you will be regarded as inferior. Apparently the idea is that as long as no one actually refers to someone's objective inferiority at something, as long as everyone pretends not to notice the inferiority, that magically makes the inferiority disappear.

It's ridiculous. They're fucking cargo cultists.

There shouldn't be female Marines in the first place. But as long as there are, it sounds like Germano is the kind they should want. Unfortunately, it sounds like her expectations of accountability are too masculine for today's emasculated Corps.

Prediction, the USA is going to be in for some serious military shocks in the relatively near future. Forget the logistical, equipment, and technological advantages, this is not how a first-class military force is maintained.

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74 Comments:

Blogger Bateful Higot July 09, 2015 5:15 AM  

When in combat, it's important to remember to check your privilege, that you may show your enlightened superiority to the enemy. Together, we can teach Islamists not to rape.

Anonymous Porphryry July 09, 2015 5:33 AM  

woah women being solipsistic about objective measurements color me shocked. At this point I wouldn't have been surprised if this was an article about women demanding that people become fat so that fat women wouldn't feel bad about themselves.

Anonymous Stilicho July 09, 2015 5:40 AM  

These fucktards are going to get a lot of good men killed before any thing is done about this farce of women serving in combat...because promotion.

Bruce Jenner is going about it all wrong: the quickest way to remove a man's gentalia is to make him a General.

Blogger kudzu bob July 09, 2015 5:43 AM  

I don't know much about combat, but it doesn't seem all that unlikely that enemy snipers would make a point of shooting female soldiers first and then pick off any white knights foolish enough to go help them.

And who knows, maybe the Russians or the Chinese are working on drones that can look for certain biomarkers that will enable them to figure out which enemy soldiers are probably women, and then directing their fire accordingly.

Anonymous zen0 July 09, 2015 5:57 AM  

> Forget the logistical, equipment, and technological advantages...

Even that might be going by the wayside as the rot sets in. From what I read, the trillion dollar F-35 can't dogfight.

> These fucktards are going to get a lot of good men killed

Computer simulation war games done at the Rand corporation simulated a situation involving Taiwan and China with F-35's coming to the rescue, and they all got shot down.

When the researchers presented their findings they were moved to other jobs elsewhere.

Anonymous nothern refugee July 09, 2015 5:57 AM  

Good. At this rate the next target of the military will be American citizens, so the less effective, the better.

Anonymous LeeS July 09, 2015 6:06 AM  

Check your assumptions, we are not fighting wars to win anymore. Wars are for making money. The quality of the troops is irrelevant.

Blogger totenhenchen July 09, 2015 6:09 AM  

...women demanding that people become fat so that fat women wouldn't feel bad about themselves.

What do you think this stupid "dad bod" nonsense is about?

https://www.google.com/search?redir_esc=&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&hl=en-US&oe=utf-8&safe=images&q=dad+bod+trend&source=android-browser-suggest&qsubts=1436436073369

Anonymous Bz July 09, 2015 6:14 AM  

Germano may have been the best of the lot, but at a guess she still nudged out a man of equal ability, and was thus merely the thin part of the wedge. And then the predictable things start to happen: declining standards under the banner of fairness; navel-gazing obsession with how rather than what things are done; internal sexual misconduct; public crying for sympathy about meanness. We can go on.

In the larger scheme of things, the whole trend is just a power play to push into the good jobs previously held by men (while shaving away the difficulties and dangers). It will be interesting to see how the armed forces will culturally change and behave in ten or fifteen years and beyond, once the necessary female promotion pipelines are established and running in earnest. Lowered physical standards for elite positions is one of the canaries (not yet dead, as I understand it).

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 09, 2015 6:17 AM  

It was hard for me to read between the lines on this one. Marine Corps Times is generally given to repeating the Marine Corps company line on everything. In effect it's an approved civilian propaganda outlet. Something equivalent to a high school newspaper.

Before the internet, you only read Marine Corps Times if that issue was the one with cutting scores or the one with next years pay chart. I don't know how they survive today.


However we finally got to this line: "The class then took a hard-edged turn, according to multiple witness statements, when Germano singled out Marines who couldn't perform three pullups or complete a physical fitness test's 3-mile run in less than 23 minutes.

Making these Marines stand, she told them they wouldn't be able to lead their male counterparts in the fleet, witnesses said.


Big fucking no, no for a Marine Corps officer let alone an RTB CO. Praise in public. Punish in private is the mantra.

That and she had a request mast against the Recruit Training Regiment's CO. That means one thing, she had gotten a career killer of a fitrep and was fighting it.

This wasn't about holding her unit to higher standards, this was a about the Peter principle. She had been promoted past her level of competence and was falling apart at the seams because of it.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell July 09, 2015 6:30 AM  

A poor attempt at a US military? I see plenty of good things from this.

OpenID thebasementbrewer July 09, 2015 6:56 AM  

The women that brought this complaint as well as the leadership that made this decision should immediately be deployed to a combat theater. They could then demonstrate for everyone the power of self esteem to win wars. The philosophies that have been injected into the US military by the current administration are going to get a lot of men and women soldiers killed in the near future.

Anonymous zen0 July 09, 2015 7:03 AM  

10. Cataline Sergius

>Big fucking no, no for a Marine Corps officer let alone an RTB CO. Praise in public. Punish in private is the mantra.

You mean all those war movies I have watched for decades with the nasty drill sergeant whipping his men into shape for their own good is BS?

Say it isn't so.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 09, 2015 7:15 AM  

@zen0

Sergeants can yell all they like. At bootcamp DIs literally never do anything else.

The Battalion Commander one the other hand is supposed to be remote and god like. This was having God come down out of heaven and say, "you suck and will never amount to anything."

OpenID theycallmewry July 09, 2015 7:18 AM  

What happened to you, USA? You used to be cool. You were the country of the Corvette, Rock n Roll and Route 66...

Anonymous TroperA July 09, 2015 7:24 AM  

Crap. At this rate, the only military we'll be able to beat is the Swedish Army.

If a Red Dawn scenario does occur and invaders swarm into this country, I suspect the well armed rural populace of this land to do far better than the US army at driving the invaders out. (With any luck, the victors will then turn their attention towards the traitors in D.C....)

Blogger Nate July 09, 2015 7:39 AM  

I have known precisely two female "soldiers" in my life. One was fat and lazy. you know the kind... 250 pounds... bench presses 10 pounds... acts like its the end of the world to have to walk more than a few feet.

The other was a tiny thing... blunt about the fact that she was using the military to get her college degree and for nothing else. She came from a dirt poor family.. and I am being literal here they lived in a house with a dirt floor. They told everyone they had central heat because the wood burning stove was in the center of the house... which was 1 room.

I liked her a lot... but she couldn't field strip a beretta 92f. At all. I showed her mine and she acted like she'd never seen one before. I showed her one of my ARs and she said, "Oh I shot one of those ones once." But by shot it turns out she meant she closed her eyes and jerked her finger. She had no idea how to even load the weapon.

yet all the while she was telling me how basic training was super hard... but she did great.

It sounds to me like on a practical level the military has just accepted that women are going to be there... and its just treating them like useless ballast.

Anonymous Laz July 09, 2015 7:49 AM  

zenO: "From what I read, the trillion dollar F-35 can't dogfight."

From what I've read (and been told by Lockheed employees that don't even work on the F-35), this was said by F-16 pilots who have had years to perfect tactics whereas the F-35 pilots are all newbies to their machine.

Blogger Nate July 09, 2015 7:56 AM  

"his was said by F-16 pilots who have had years to perfect tactics whereas the F-35 pilots are all newbies to their machine."

please.

Dogfighting isn't space magic. We know damn well what makes a good dog fighter. The F35 doesn't do those things very well.

in fact... it doesn't do ANYTHING very well.

Classic case of making a multitool that theoretically can do everything... but in a practical sense really can't do anything at all.

OpenID mattse001 July 09, 2015 8:00 AM  

Of course, this is all by design. SJWs don't give a shit about military readiness, it's all a big social experiment to them. When Obama is gone, there will need to be a rein of terror throughout the ranks; a great purge.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 09, 2015 8:05 AM  

It's ridiculous. They're fucking cargo cultists.

I laughed out loud into my breakfast! It's true. They are making little Potemkin soldiers, with paper mache muscles made out of Sheryl Sandberg news clippings, marching skills created from gogirl woman warrior DVDs and rifle range marks out of piled up college textbooks. First the leftists create them, then they pray that the Good Liberal Spirits will come down from the not heavens and bless them with physiques like Dolf Lundgren and maybe some little tiny penises of their own.

Guess what ladies, radios made of coconuts don't work and there is no such thing as a female marine. All they're going to do is end up as rape fodder in some third world war that Hillary starts.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 09, 2015 8:19 AM  

In a normal female space like a kitchen or a quilting bee, every woman knows where she stands socially in the group and who ranks above whom. If Janet is low woman on the totem pole because she laughs too loud, is a bit too slutty, and wears last year's shoes, she already knows that. So it would be overkill, and cruel, to point it out to her face. Subtle cues like not laughing as much at her jokes are used to signal where she stands so maybe she can do something about it.

Men use methods like public rankings and open criticism to let each other know where they stand and challenge each other to improve. Those methods seem unacceptably harsh -- and unnecessary -- to women. It doesn't work for them, and they don't see why they can't use their own system. Their system would be terrible for military readiness and efficiency, but hey, that's not what they're there for.

Anonymous Neguy July 09, 2015 8:24 AM  

Vox, a couple tradcon links for you

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/behold-the-beta-males-who-feel-good-about-watching-a-man-die/

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/the-revenge-of-the-lost-boys/

Blogger Student in Blue July 09, 2015 8:29 AM  

@Nate
It sounds to me like on a practical level the military has just accepted that women are going to be there... and its just treating them like useless ballast.

That's exactly my experience with the military. Oh, the ones that are actually capable in any fashion are paraded around to the brass as a shining example, while the ones that aren't are quietly ignored because actually trying to fix them is suicidal.

Anonymous joe doakes July 09, 2015 8:38 AM  

The F-35 is making an appearance at Airventure, the Experimental Aircraft Association's fly-in in August. The press release says this airplane will replace two fighters: the F-16 and the A-10.

Uh, fellows? F means Fighter and A means Attack. The A-10 is not an air-to-air fighter, it's an air-to-mud attack plane, a tank killer and a damned good one.


Nate's exactly right - a 100-blade Leatherman is more portable than a 100-piece Snap On tool set, but it's not going to give the same quality of results.

Blogger Robert What? July 09, 2015 8:42 AM  

Since the military will eventually be used against liberty loving American citizens, maybe it is a blessing in disguise that their quality is plummeting.

Anonymous Stilicho July 09, 2015 8:48 AM  

Cataline: n.b. Physically unfit male recruits at PI are made to wear red stripes on their pt shirts and the extremely unfit are recycled to a conditioning platoon where they either get in shape or are discharged. I suspect there is no similar treatment for female recruits, so the bn commander may have been trying to do what she could to address a wide spread (heh) problem. Regardless, women have no place in the Corps. They simply aren't worth the cost even in noncombatant roles no matter the value of a few of them in those roles.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 09, 2015 8:49 AM  

The biggest problem with women in the military is the matter of Game

The military likes to pat itself on the back with both hands because they had some success with adopting a race blind standard. There are no black or white Marines. There is Light Green and Dark Green. A lot of this eventual success was due to the adoption of higher recruiting standards. Dropouts with more than one felony need not apply (criminal sexual, domestic violence or drug related are excluded completely).

Regardless there is a big difference between that and treating women as men with tits.

As I said it's a matter of Game and the military is the biggest White Knight factory there is. Military men know almost nothing about women. And it pretends they think like men.

One of the biggest ass aches I had in the Marine Corps was feminine hypergamy. Its perfectly legal for Lance Corporals and below (E-3 to E-1) to date. Of course female Marines were never interested in E-3 and below. They invariably wanted their Sergeants. Which was illeagal but that was universally ignored.

The problem was that female Marines would get into cat fights as instinctively as lemmings jumps of cliff. And then they would get their sergeant boyfriends involved. Now I've got two idiots indulging in mate guarding. Now the matter can'be ignored. Now the command would have no choice and I would have two corporals where I used to have two sergeants.

The other problem is ass chewing. You must invest yourself without emotion when you deliver an ass chewing. You can't leave the object of your attention with the impression that it was at all personal. And women Marines could never do that. They always invested themselves emotionally. It was always personal. Witness this Short Bird who just got fired at PI.

Military men in general have no concept of game, (witness the cringe worthy fall of David Petraeus). Few men need it more. And I suspect it would be viewed as a chargeable offense to teach it to them.

OpenID 1929bbac-2639-11e5-975b-bfacaa4891aa July 09, 2015 8:54 AM  

Having been in the US Air Force and currently working as a civilian for the Air Force let me alert you to the total "diversification" occurring in the military. Standards are lowering, tradition is evolving, and Godlessness is multiplying. Traditionally religious southern men made up a large part of the military. Something about clinging to God, guns, and country. Now with the acceptance of gays and women they not only have to worry about the enemy killing them, but also the gay soldier raping them and the woman soldier slandering them. As I sit through diversity training and sexual harassment training being told that the problem is being a straight christian man, I shutter to think what will happen when the God and gun clinging man stops joining the military. I don't think the diversity troops are made of the same stuff, but hey time will tell.

Blogger Marie July 09, 2015 9:11 AM  

"Women seem to be very, very uncomfortable with the idea that if you are inferior, you will be regarded as inferior. Apparently the idea is that as long as no one actually refers to someone's objective inferiority at something, as long as everyone pretends not to notice the inferiority, that magically makes the inferiority disappear."

Pretty much.

You are trying to use logic to fight against fear.

Women aren't complete idiots. We know we are weaker than men. The extend we acknowledge we are weaker depends on how much we've been willing or forced to face.

What is our defense against a man who intends to harm us? Sam Colt? Our brains? Our C\charm? Yeah, we know all of those can fail.

That's a terrifying world. Collectively, we understand the protections our grandmothers had are gone. Women tend to fall into two camps. The first, do not trust men to control themselves. They believe trying to bring back the old society protections is like letting the fox guard the henhouse. The second camp, thinks the first group has angered men to the point that you guys will never agree to go back. It is a pretty little problem.

So some women are trying to build new protections with this gender bias crap and silencing their oppositions. Other women have enough experience with men backing down when they are upset they believe good men can never break. And others deal with it in all sorts of disordered ways. For example, there had to be a reason 50 Shades was so popular.

Logic isn't going to win against that. Especially now that we have so much of the status quo supporting our ability to silence or ignore reality.

Anonymous DCM July 09, 2015 9:24 AM  

"Apparently the idea is that as long as no one actually refers to someone's objective inferiority at something, as long as everyone pretends not to notice the inferiority, that magically makes the inferiority disappear."

That's exactly right. I had suspected this long before I started shaving. But I was about Vox's age, maybe younger, when I finally gave up trying to find alternate explanations for what I'd been been observing and experiencing, first-hand, for all those years. Hard to believe, perhaps, that adults could be so childish, but there it is.

Blogger Marie July 09, 2015 9:37 AM  

I'm sorry for the typos. I hit publish before I got a chance to review what I wrote. So much for multi-tasking.

Blogger Marissa July 09, 2015 9:47 AM  

Apparently the idea is that as long as no one actually refers to someone's objective inferiority at something, as long as everyone pretends not to notice the inferiority, that magically makes the inferiority disappear.

This can be applied to certain ethnic groups today, who react to objective evidence of intellectual or civilizational inferiority in a very effeminate manner.

Women don't belong in the military, courtesy of Mad Magazine (to the tune of Battle Hymn of the Republic):

Mine eyes have seen the glory of an army that’s co-ed
of a navy where the captain has to subdivide the head
of an air force where they issue flowered sheets for every bed
The times are changing now

Glory, glory basic training
never was more entertaining
there’s more action, who’s complaining?
The times are changing now.

They are wearing battle outfits that are full of fancy frills
they’re a credit to the union and we call ’em G.I. Jills
if George Patton were alive today he’d take off for the hills
The times are changing now

Glory, glory foes they’ll shake up
armed attacks they’re sure to break up
then they’ll freshen up their make up
The times are changing now

They are trained to shoot a rifle and they show no signs of fright
they’re as strong as any man and never run from any fight
that’s unless one gets a headache and she tells you, “not tonight”
The times are changing now

Glory, glory tell her mister
if she struggles when you’ve kissed her
no one likes a draft resister
the times are changing now.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 9:51 AM  

"Prediction, the USA is going to be in for some serious military shocks in the relatively near future."

Imagine Iran kicking your ass. :DD

Seroiusly against whom is the USA supposed to lose anyway.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 09, 2015 9:54 AM  

I look forward to the time when some future Eisenhower sends in the troops to enforce a Supreme Court order to destroy white communities, only to be told that the political correctness has gone too far and there's nothing worth sending.

Blogger David-093 July 09, 2015 10:01 AM  

There is no way on earth the powers that be will ever send an all female anything into combat and risk it losing. They know how women perform. They'll go surrounded by legions of men and then when the men slaughter the camel jockeys/Chinese/Russians or whatever they'll say "See? Women can fight! More women now!"

Anonymous Laz July 09, 2015 10:02 AM  

"Dogfighting isn't space magic. We know damn well what makes a good dog fighter. The F35 doesn't do those things very well.

in fact... it doesn't do ANYTHING very well.

Classic case of making a multitool that theoretically can do everything... but in a practical sense really can't do anything at all."

I'm not defending it at all, just pointing out that all of that was said by people with a vested interest in the F-35 program failing.

Anonymous kfg July 09, 2015 10:02 AM  

“Don’t forget that you’re First Marines! Not all the Communists in hell can overrun you . . ."

. . .unless the Chinese hold a shoe sale next time.

Anonymous Sam the Man July 09, 2015 10:03 AM  

Sergeants still use physical means against enlisted men when needed. While technically they are not allowed to strike soldiers, there is nothing in the UCMJ that does not allow for physical punishment to correct bad behavior. A solider left in the front leaning rest position will soon find it uncomfortable, especially with an NCO yelling in his face.

Now if that does not work, then the second option exists. Get the soldier to swing or make a physical response. If the solider is a hot head that is not difficult to do, you get in their personnel space and go after whatever weakness they have verbally, they will respond. Then with a simple punch to the gut the problem is dealt with. Be sure when this technique is used there is more than 1 NCO present. The solider/recruit has no chance. Good NCO's are masters of psychology, at least male psychology.

Believe it or not the very aggressive guys who might need an attitude adjustment will eventually be good NCO material, or at least in many cases they will. The army needs aggressive men in the NCO corps, the intellectual type would not cut it.

In any case women mess that all up, as they rules do not apply. There is nothing more ridiculous than a female drill instructor trying to yell at men. No fear at all and every man in formation knows he can deck her, break her jaw with one good punch. A screaming drill instructor who might be small can still instill fear, some small guys are incredibly strong, while a little girl is just that. Very disruptive to order and good discipline.

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Anonymous BGS July 09, 2015 10:36 AM  

If this group got deployment orders even Elliot Rodgers could score on them trying to get preg to avoid combat.

Even that might be going by the wayside as the rot sets in. From what I read, the trillion dollar F-35 can't dogfight.

Forget dogfights, the f-16 pilot that crashed into the Cessna last week had a female commanding officer.

just pointing out that all of that was said by people with a vested interest in the F-35 program failing.

Everyone wants the newest toy. If there was an improvement to the f-16 pilots would all want it. That is like saying Nate wouldn't give up "his wife's" 2nd glock in exchange for a full auto UZI

Blogger B.J. July 09, 2015 10:38 AM  

***In the trenches on the war front with the Islamic State***

Private Big Red: "Sir, I'd like to report a problem."

Sergeant: "Oh jeez, what now?"

Private Big Red: "Hey, watch your tone fuckface! Anyway, the enemy soldiers are triggering me."

Sergeant: "What are they doing this time?"

Private Big Red: "Well, these heteronormative hegemonic oppressive gender binary PATRIARCHAL ASSHOLES keep shooting at us."

Sergeant: "Oh really?"

Private Big Red: "Yes! One of them did it twice yesterday!"

Sergeant: "Well, what do you want me to do about it?"

Private Big Red: "Obviously, we find out their Twitter handles and expose them as the misogynists they are, and complain to their boss until they get fired from the war. Why do I have to explain this to you? Sweet Dworkin, men are fucking stupid!"

Sergeant: "How about you try, I don't know, shooting back?"

Private Big Red: "SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! Don't you know guns are illegal? No one ever has a reason to use a gun, ever! And another thing, you oppressive shitlord---" **stars ranting incoherently**

Sergeant: "Hey stand over here for a second."

Private Big Red: "Huh? what I---Urk!" ***dies in a hail of AK-47 gunfire***

Sergeant: *waving and smiling* "Thanks Achmed!"

Achmed the Terrorist: "No problem infidel, see you tomorrow!"

Blogger luagha July 09, 2015 10:41 AM  

The F-22 is supposed to be the dogfighting stealth air superiority fighter.
The F-35 is supposed to be crap we sell to other countries that trails along behind and fights on electronics.

That's why one of Obama's first 'decisions' was to cut the F-22 as much as he could.

Anonymous Menelaus July 09, 2015 10:42 AM  

Achmed the (dead) Terrorist

Anonymous A Visitor July 09, 2015 11:01 AM  

Minus the comment she made on the Crucible hump, she seems to have simply wanted her Marines to be held to the same standard as male Marines. Her comments on personal responsibility regarding sexual assault are too politically incorrect for today's military. Yes, women, by drinking, you are putting yourself in a position to be sexually assaulted.

"There shouldn't be female Marines in the first place. But as long as there are, it sounds like Germano is the kind they should want." Agreed 110%!

"When in combat, it's important to remember to check your privilege, that you may show your enlightened superiority to the enemy. Together, we can teach Islamists not to rape."

If there was ever a massive slaughter of our "new and improved"™ military at the hands of the enemy, it is dubious the media would ever cover it. More likely, even if the military told the truth, the media would quietly say the deceased died in battle and make no mention of their utter incompetence due to horrid training and mandatory diversity.

"When the researchers presented their findings they were moved to other jobs elsewhere."

That is the problem when you actually tell the truth. You're fired or your conclusions are dismissed. Think back to Millennium Challenge when the Pentagon war gamed against Iran. The 5th Fleet was sunk by a Rear Admiral red teaming it because he turned SAM sites on and off denying us air superiority and using other tools. Blue team cried no fair, the 5th Fleet was refloated with Iranian losses in tact, and the SAM sites were forced to stay on. Result? The blue team won.

@totenhenchen Most likely the "dad bod" is just the latest stupid Internet meme.

Cataline thanks for the insider's perspective.

"When Obama is gone, there will need to be a rein of terror throughout the ranks; a great purge."

That is doubtful. If a Republican were to be elected, would they really want to be known as the one who discriminated against women in the military (directly or indirectly)? Please.

"and bless them with physiques like Dolf Lundgren and maybe some little tiny penises of their own." I must break you.

Anonymous clk July 09, 2015 11:02 AM  

"Classic case of making a multitool that theoretically can do everything... but in a practical sense really can't do anything at all."

I dont beleive the F-35 was actually designed as an all purpose fighter to include "dog fights" -- it is multirole --- its a stealth "fighter" with super advanced instruments that can kill the enemy before the "merge"; basically its wins dogfights because it can see the F-16 and destroy it many miles out before the F16 even knows its there. Stealth and dog-fight capability are mutually exclusive design options... although it doent stop people from calling it an all purpose fighter when selling it in the press and public...

How about an F-16 vs F-22 .. that would seem to be a more interesting match up --- the $16-20M F16 vs the $70-120M F-22 ...

When your enemies top weapon is a toyota pick-up with a tripod mounted machine gun ... thats a lot of money to spend vs a drone...

Anonymous REG July 09, 2015 11:20 AM  

One more time, I think that the Lt. Cor. Gerrmano was attempting to get a Lyudmila Mykhailivna Pavlichenko into the US Marines. Pavlichenko was a Russian Sniper when the Russians used Female Sniper teams. She had the number of Kills for a Russian Sniper. Three hundred and nine, approximately twenty-seven of which were Sniper vs Sniper, all with German soldiers.

http://englishrussia.com/2012/03/08/outstanding-soviet-female-snipers-of-wwii/

It's a pity that she had Americans to train. Even Pussy Riot goes face to face with Putin.

Blogger Marissa July 09, 2015 11:29 AM  

As I said it's a matter of Game and the military is the biggest White Knight factory there is. Military men know almost nothing about women.

I wonder what the breakdown would be between POGs and infantry. POGs, most of whom know jack about what the military actually exists to do, would seem more likely to regard women as equal because most of them have extremely easy jobs in comparison to the infantry. Thus they'd be more likely to white knight than your infantryman who sees their support units drop in numbers because a third of the women got pregnant before deployment.

Sitting at a computer on an air-conditioned base in Iraq slurping down a Starbucks coffee drink is sex-neutral.

Blogger Student in Blue July 09, 2015 11:49 AM  

@Marissa

Both combat arms and support need Game, as evidenced by the divorce rates (and who the dumb privates of either sort marry). Just realizing that "women and men aren't equal" doesn't cut it - there's more to Game than that. It's also very possible to outwardly profess and believe that the sexes are very different and unequal, yet still wind up White Knighting or assigning male attributes to women (which is a human thing to do to things we don't understand).

It just seems more likely that the combat arms guys get burned a lot quicker (because they're out to field) and so they learn a lot quicker about hypergamy. Or they become genuinely misogynistic.

Anonymous Roundtine July 09, 2015 11:54 AM  

My sister faced the same thing, she was chewed out for making women cry. So all the men and the few women who hold others to standards of excellence are being chased out of the military. The military is going full dildo.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) July 09, 2015 12:00 PM  

@ Laz

I'm not defending it at all, just pointing out that all of that was said by people with a vested interest in the F-35 program failing.


Yeah, but when the "aincient" -16 airframe is hobbled by carrying external add-ons as a handicap and still wins, and most of the rest of the world will be working in fighters with pilots who've had familiarization time.....

Blogger Alexander July 09, 2015 12:01 PM  

You know what, maybe we can spin this into if not a positive, then at least someone else's negative. Kinda like how the scepter of always hangs over America, but lands on Europe.

Maybe if we're really lucky, something with the Muslims or Russians or a fellow Euro will force us to send a large force to help defend a European Ally. If it's now doomed that our New Progressive Army must suffer a disastrous military defeat, which logically follows doom for the civilians relying upon them...let it be somebody else!

That would benefit all parties:
- The Europeans who in their newfound destituion and slavery would at least gain an appreciate for self-reliance on self-defense. You're welcome!

- The US, for throwing off the yoke of progressivism.

- Me and mine, for having this calamity strike somewhere else.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 09, 2015 12:23 PM  

Both combat arms and support need Game, as evidenced by the divorce rates (and who the dumb privates of either sort marry).

Correct. The Dependapotomus problem has actually managed to get worse since I left.

@Stilicho

I knew exactly one newly minted PFC from twenty years ago that had Diet Stripes on her recruit sweat shirt. So Fourth Battalion must have had a dedicated PCP, at least back then.

And it would have been just for WMs. Somehow the Marine Corps has managed to keep recruit training segregated by sex. But I'm afraid if the Army doesn't helpfully provide another bootcamp sex abuse scandal soon. I don't think the Corps can hang on to it for how much longer.

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 09, 2015 12:28 PM  

"I dont beleive the F-35 was actually designed as an all purpose fighter to include "dog fights" -- it is multirole --- its a stealth "fighter" with super advanced instruments that can kill the enemy before the "merge"; basically its wins dogfights because it can see the F-16 and destroy it many miles out before the F16 even knows its there. Stealth and dog-fight capability are mutually exclusive design options... although it doent stop people from calling it an all purpose fighter when selling it in the press and public..."

The last time the US employed the "tech will overcome dog fighting" philosophy was the F-4. It didn't exactly have a stellar record against the cheaper MIGS.

Blogger GK Chesterton July 09, 2015 1:06 PM  

"I don't know much about combat, but it doesn't seem all that unlikely that enemy snipers would make a point of shooting female soldiers first and then pick off any white knights foolish enough to go help them."

If I remember correctly this is why the Israeli's stopped using women soldiers the way they did in their more socialist beginnings. Women would be targeted in order to reduce overall moral and force bad unit decisions.

Anonymous Laz July 09, 2015 1:09 PM  

"The last time the US employed the "tech will overcome dog fighting" philosophy was the F-4. It didn't exactly have a stellar record against the cheaper MIGS."

Everything I can find says a kill/loss ratio of 3:1 to 12:1. Do you have a link?

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 09, 2015 1:25 PM  

@ Laz

http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2014/09/03/is_the_f-35_joint_strike_fighter_the_new_f-4_107409.html

That's a quick link that actually is making the same comparison I made. I believe I initially heard of the phantoms problems in Vietnam from "dogfights" on the military channel.

Blogger Karl July 09, 2015 1:29 PM  

Are the YPJ female units sui generis? What exactly do they know about putting together female combat units that is escaping us? Do women only work in partisan/guerilla units? Is it cultural? Is their success due to who they are fighting?

There's a ton of youtube videos out there now - here's an example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwfpdBz6wY

Blogger MidKnight (#138) July 09, 2015 1:34 PM  

The F4 was originally designed without a cannon because they wouldn't be needed, or so they thought. Stand off and fire missiles.

Didn't work out so well - they added the cannon back in.

Blogger Thordaddy July 09, 2015 2:30 PM  

"Female Marine?" That's psychological blasphemy.

Blogger James Higham July 09, 2015 2:48 PM  

Sigh.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) July 09, 2015 3:04 PM  

Seroiusly against whom is the USA supposed to lose anyway.
Look at Korea, we met the victory conditions, twice. Nam was over and we'd won on paper, but then we walked away as the NVA rolled in. The types of wars where we lose by having our capital occupied by enemy troops is gone. That's the macro version of war.

We're looking at losing the micro version of war. What we're looking at is a growing category of troops who'll get captured and then be gang raped to the point their vagina's will need reconstructive surgery Jessica Lynch is is the first. Easy pushovers, trembling in fear at the thought of a harsh word, getting pregnant whenever there is a risk of deployment to a war zone.

Fights end when the will of one side to fight is broken. The side with Legionnaires will beat the side with Citizen Soldiers. I think it was Pournelle who said that. Hackworth said a country needs two armies, one the citizen soldiers to march in parades and the other the cold hard killers to do the fighting and killing that it takes to win.

To paraphrase a Nobel Laureate, there's three things wrong with women in the military. They fall in love with you, you fall in love with them, and when you criticize them, then cry.

Anonymous kfg July 09, 2015 3:16 PM  

" . . . when you criticize them, then cry."

Q.E.D.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) July 09, 2015 3:49 PM  

...they cry...

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 09, 2015 4:47 PM  

Tommy Hass: "Seroiusly against whom is the USA supposed to lose anyway."

The American nation, I hope.

Blogger Marissa July 09, 2015 6:07 PM  

What exactly do they know about putting together female combat units that is escaping us? Do women only work in partisan/guerilla units? Is it cultural? Is their success due to who they are fighting?

If the existential threat of immediate gang rape and sexual slavery is needed to make women decent in combat against the losers of ISIS...well, I don't think those are ethically reproducible conditions.

Anonymous ZT July 09, 2015 7:49 PM  

Hmm, should I learn Russian or Chinese for when they take over because our army up and faints from war being to hard?

Anonymous RS July 09, 2015 9:08 PM  

Wait wait wait,

Nate owns a 9mm?

Anonymous clk July 09, 2015 10:17 PM  

"The last time the US employed the "tech will overcome dog fighting" philosophy was the F-4. It didn't exactly have a stellar record against the cheaper MIGS."

I agree completely ... I am just pointing out that the mission of a stealth fighter like the F-35 was not dog fights - to be stealthy by shape you have to minimize control surfaces ......Originally the dog fighter role was the F-22's job -- but for every F-22s you can buy 6 F-16s and I don't really know if there's that much differences close range between the F-16 and the F-22.


Blogger jonw July 09, 2015 11:06 PM  

Don't teach us to fight terrorists!

Teach ISIS to not terrorize!

Blogger Karl July 09, 2015 11:39 PM  

If the existential threat of immediate gang rape and sexual slavery is needed to make women decent in combat against the losers of ISIS...well, I don't think those are ethically reproducible conditions.

Right. After watching several of those videos each had at least one YPJ fighter explain that either the last bullet or grenade was saved for herself in case of capture. Also, it is implied in a couple of videos that there is some type of familial renunciation involved in joining the militia - not the family renouncing them but they renounce any family ties. Something along the type of Bushido oath taken by Kamikaze.

Overall the videos show women being used as essentially light (motorized) infantry. Not carrying a ton of supplies - maybe 20 pounds of gear. Nowhere near the level of body armor either vest or plates used by our military (men or women).

After thinking about it more, I can see why supporters of women in combat don't want to point to the only contemporary success. It shows the limitations of using women as infantry. For it to succeed you need: Low intensity conflict, high motivation/morale, and opposing forces who believe being killed by a woman denies them martyrdom.

Anonymous Heaviside July 10, 2015 4:28 AM  

Don't teach us to fight terrorists!

Teach Obama to not teach terrorists!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2NkjNvwuaU

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