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Thursday, July 23, 2015

An existential threat

Christianity is being eradicated from the Middle East.
From 1910 to 2010, the number of Christians in the Middle East — in countries like Egypt, Israel, Palestine and Jordan — continued to decline; once 14 percent of the population, Christians now make up roughly 4 percent. (In Iran and Turkey, they’re all but gone.) In Lebanon, the only country in the region where Christians hold significant political power, their numbers have shrunk over the past century, to 34 percent from 78 percent of the population. Low birthrates have contributed to this decline, as well as hostile political environments and economic crisis. Fear is also a driver. The rise of extremist groups, as well as the perception that their communities are vanishing, causes people to leave.

For more than a decade, extremists have targeted Christians and other minorities, who often serve as stand-ins for the West. This was especially true in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, which caused hundreds of thousands to flee. ‘‘Since 2003, we’ve lost priests, bishops and more than 60 churches were bombed,’’ Bashar Warda, the Chaldean Catholic archbishop of Erbil, said. With the fall of Saddam Hussein, Christians began to leave Iraq in large numbers, and the population shrank to less than 500,000 today from as many as 1.5 million in 2003.

The Arab Spring only made things worse. As dictators like Mubarak in Egypt and Qaddafi in Libya were toppled, their longstanding protection of minorities also ended. Now, ISIS is looking to eradicate Christians and other minorities altogether. The group twists the early history of Christians in the region — their subjugation by the sword — to legitimize its millenarian enterprise. Recently, ISIS posted videos delineating the second-class status of Christians in the caliphate. Those unwilling to pay the jizya tax or to convert would be destroyed, the narrator warned, as the videos culminated in the now-­infamous scenes of Egyptian and Ethiopian Christians in Libya being marched onto the beach and beheaded, their blood running into the surf.

The future of Christianity in the region of its birth is now uncertain. ‘‘How much longer can we flee before we and other minorities become a story in a history book?’’ says Nuri Kino, a journalist and founder of the advocacy group Demand for Action. According to a Pew study, more Christians are now faced with religious persecution than at any time since their early history. ‘‘ISIL has put a spotlight on the issue,’’ says Anna Eshoo, a California Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives, whose parents are from the region and who advocates on behalf of Eastern Christians. ‘‘Christianity is under an existential threat.’’
I expect it won't be long before the West will return the favor. If you think the mass immigration of the last fifty years can't be turned around, remember that in Spain, the Ummayads reigned for 700 years before they were driven out. History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes, and the same patterns play over and over and over.

But this is not the end of Christianity in the Middle East. It may only be four percent of the population there now, but there was a time when it was only 11 men. The river of the blood of the martyrs is running high right now, and this is neither the first time nor the last time that has happened. It wasn't all that long ago that Christianity was supposedly dead in Russia, after all.

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Blogger rho July 23, 2015 4:20 AM  

It may only be four percent of the population there now, but there was a time when it was only 11 men.

Martyrdom for the Copts.

The Vatican will surely approve it.

Blogger Groot July 23, 2015 4:21 AM  

Oy!

Blogger olaf lee July 23, 2015 4:22 AM  

Some things only get stronger when under heat and pressure.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 23, 2015 5:15 AM  

ISIS = Islamic State in Iraq and Syria
ISIL = Islamic State in the Levant

Ever notice how Democrats continuously repeat their name as ISIL? It's almost as if they WANT the group to expand.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 23, 2015 6:40 AM  

Hmmmm.... I think... Something may be gathering in the depths of my Kurgan mind.
I may surprise the ilk with news on this if a few things pan out.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 23, 2015 6:51 AM  

" If you think the mass immigration of the last fifty years can't be turned around, remember that in Spain, the Ummayads reigned for 700 years before they were driven out."

I assume that doesn't apply for those attempting to regin Spain, huh?

Blogger RobertDWood July 23, 2015 7:06 AM  

Miraculous movements is a book on Christian expansion in the Muslim world written by a mission director a few years back. http://www.amazon.com/Miraculous-Movements-Hundreds-Thousands-Muslims/dp/141854728X

It is part testimony of Jesus moving in unreached people, part strategy guide for Christians reaching out to Muslims, part call to action for a church that doesn't have to look like the USA protestants or traditional orthodox bodies. All parts encouraging, he's talking about 200,000 new disciples in an eight year period in Muslim areas.

VD is correct, Christianity is only ever supposedly dead, one cannot defeat the highest truth with mere physical implements.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 23, 2015 7:22 AM  

I agree 100 percent with the "rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated" if it wasn't for the fact that the gospel has done a lap of the earth. Israel are back from the dead of diaspora metaphorically, every people group of significant number has had some exposure to the gospel. The end is now. IMHO. The west can hardly be more blind, naked, poor, retched, stupid.
A place in every paper exam is 'time up, pens down'.
Well, if from David Wilkerson to Renee Moses are all wrong, Rick Wiley or Rick Joyner know nothing, Rabbi Cahn's Jubilee/ Shmitah means nothing, I agree with you, Christianity has a brilliant future.
But I suspect the voices are right. Gird thy loins.

Blogger Thordaddy July 23, 2015 7:28 AM  

Only Christians can be eradicated... Christianity can never be eradicated. No unassailable assertion can be destroyed.

Anonymous daddynichol July 23, 2015 8:02 AM  

China tried to quell Christianity unsuccessfully, and the Word lives in North Korea, yet many followers in the West cave when mildly challenged. Adversity often strengthens while comfort may encourage weakness.

Blogger njartist July 23, 2015 8:05 AM  

Don't forget that IS is funded and supplied by Washington under the direction of Obama and by Judah.

Blogger Nate July 23, 2015 8:17 AM  

The charity we need : Kalashnikovs for Christians

Blogger Mint July 23, 2015 8:21 AM  

For more than a decade, extremists have targeted Christians and other minorities, who often serve as stand-ins for the West.

This is true. Whenever there is new news on USA or the west countries invade/goes on war against any Middle east majority Muslim country, we Indonesian Christians would dread on which extremist group this time will retaliate on us. In here, Indonesia. Not there. Sometimes it's the symbolic token institutions representing west (like KFC) that gets attacked, but more often it's Christian minorities that bear the burden of blame of whatever USA do in the middle east.

I think it's a projection of how Islam views Muslim and Arabs. As Islam is more than just religion; it's politic, life style, economic system and law. I am no longer surprised whenever a Muslim acquaintance state his opinion or concern of how immoral Christians are because he thinks Christians all live like people in the Holywood movies. Christians= Western's value to them.

It's manifold in Indonesia since our Christianity is not the Asian/ Middle east orthodox kind as the gospel was introduced to Indonesians by European powers. It's certainly has the Western flavour; the rites, the building and even the hymns are mostly Western's. The whole church culture has that offensive taste to Indonesian Muslims as it's also a reminder how long the European invade Indonesia.

So, an advice to Western church wants to sent missionaries to a new area; introduce Yeshua Ha-Masiach, not western culture. Introduce the faith; not the hymns or how you must sit on a pew in order to pray.

Blogger James Dixon July 23, 2015 8:26 AM  

> The charity we need : Kalashnikovs for Christians

Preach it, Nate.

Anonymous zen0 July 23, 2015 8:39 AM  

@ 7. PhillipGeorge©2015

Israel are back from the dead of diaspora metaphorically, every people group of significant number has had some exposure to the gospel. The end is now. IMHO. The west can hardly be more blind, naked, poor, retched, stupid.



It can't be denied that we live in Post-Christendom, Christendom being established by Constantine in the 4th Century. Considered the Kingdom of God on Earth, the Church had protection of the State, and privilege within the State.

The resulting culture dominated Europe and North America (currently known as Western Civilization). Things began to falter with the American revolution, tottered with the French revolution, and toppled in the aftermath of WW1.

In the age of Christendom, the church occupied a central and influential place in society and the Western world considered itself both formally and officially Christian. So when we speak of post-Christendom, we are making the point that the church no longer occupies this central place of social and cultural hegemony and Western civilization no longer considers itself to be formally or officially Christian.

Note, this view does not say the end of Christianity.

In orthodox Jewish circles, Edom is identified with Rome. (Christendom).



In this week’s Torah portion, Devarim, Moses relates how G-d directed him not to have the Nation of Israel pass through the land of Edom, the descendants of Esau. G-d promised the land of Edom to Esau, and Israel was directed not to initiate any hostilities with his descendants. Even today, we cannot think of warring with America, Russia or Europe, all of whom are Esau’s descendants.

Our Sages teach that Jerusalem and Rome, which represents Edom’s capital, have a symbiotically inverse relationship: When one ascends, the other descends.
It is mind-boggling to witness the crumbling of the 2,000 year old civilization that emerged from Rome. Those who want their children to be able to manage in America or Europe one generation from now, had best teach them Arabic or Spanish.
Rome is descending. Jerusalem is on its way up.


All necessary steps before the establishment of the true Kingdom?

Blogger AmyJ July 23, 2015 8:49 AM  

You can't kill a group of people who have already died. The blood of the saints will be avenged.

ISIS and the like are as short sighted as your typical SJW.

Anonymous Clint 47/73 July 23, 2015 8:59 AM  

I receive updates from our Bishop, and our church has long, historic ties to the Christians in Syria. Here was a recent message regarding the impact that this conflict has had on Christian parishes:

Daraa: Half of the families fled to Damascus; 45 families lost their homes.
Kharaba: Only 36 families remain while 160 families fled to Al-Sweda and Ira.
Jbeb: Only 18 elderly people remain while all others fled to Damascus or Al-Sweda.
Al-Osilha: Half of the families remain while the other half fled to Al-Sweda.
Maarbeh: All of the parishioners fled and are now refugees.
Rakham: All of the parishioners fled and are now refugees.
Tisiya: All of the parishioners fled and are now refugees.
Smej: All of the parishioners fled and are now refugees.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 23, 2015 9:01 AM  

Hence why I think Russia is so important. If Russia can be fully transformed into a model on its Tsarist past, it can be a firing base for Christendom and we can hope to conquer within the next 200 years what will by then be the ruined ashes of Liberalism.

What is becoming very clear, as it pertains to both the tide of Muslim Fundamentalism (which was inevitable after Liberals tried to secularize them) and also the tide of a more jackbooted Liberalism, we need today a Christian Hezbollah. It is that simple, and I think it will come from the great white east.

Anonymous zen0 July 23, 2015 9:02 AM  

10. njartist July 23, 2015 8:05 AM

Don't forget that IS is funded and supplied by Washington under the direction of Obama and by Judah.


ISIS is certainly going up against Egypt's General Sisi now in the Sinai. They eliminated Egypt’s general prosecutor Hisham Barakat, with bomb recently. He prosecuted 1,000 of Muslim Brotherhood supporters (Obama and Hillary's chosen people).

Given that , I would buy the first part of your assertion, but as far as "Judah" goes, "Judah" is more comfortable with General Sisi.

Anonymous zen0 July 23, 2015 9:07 AM  

@ 16. Clint 47/73:

I receive updates from our Bishop, and our church has long, historic ties to the Christians in Syria.


You might like this site:

Walid Shoebot
It documents many such incidents, and how some Christians are fighting back.

Anonymous Krul July 23, 2015 9:14 AM  

"Even today, we cannot think of warring with America, Russia or Europe, all of whom are Esau’s descendants."

That's a new one on me. I always thought Esau's descendants were supposed to be Arabs.

Blogger FALPhil July 23, 2015 9:26 AM  

Nate wrote:
The charity we need : Kalashnikovs for Christians

Luke 6:29 is probably the most misunderstood verse in Western Christendom. Hermeneutically, it is not a command to not fight back. Quite the contrary. In the context of the gospel, the geography, and the time, it is essentially a command to call your enemy out as if to say, "Is that all you got, wimp?" After all, why, in the same gospel, would the Son of Man command like he did in Luke 22;36?

You got it right, Nate.

Anonymous rienzi July 23, 2015 9:29 AM  

"Kalashnikov's for Christians"
Finally, something that would actually put the fear of God into the jihadis.

Sounds like a great PR opportunity for Vladimir Putin. Guy already probably has a much higher popularity rating than Obozo among white folks. This would send his likability rating to the sky. Hell, as that pesky "natural born citizen" stuff no longer applies, he could run for president and win.

Russia must have tons of these lying around, as they never throw old weapons away. Sign me up for my free AK47 and framed autographed picture of Vlad.

Blogger Shimshon July 23, 2015 9:30 AM  

Krul, zen0 is right as to how Orthodox Jewry (really, the Mesorah) in general views the West as Eisav.

The Arabs? Yishmael is described as a "pere adam." While this is commonly translated as "wild ass of a man" (or something similar) in actuality it is more accurate to say "an animal with human characteristics," as in Hebrew the noun precedes the adjective. "Man" modifies "wild ass."

Does this not sound familiar?

Eisav may be bloodthirsty, but he is the builder of civilizations. Rome...

Blogger Cail Corishev July 23, 2015 9:32 AM  

Krul, Jews consider Ishmael to be the father of the Arabs, and Esau the father of the Gentiles.

Anonymous Brother Thomas July 23, 2015 9:35 AM  

One of the many horrible legacies of the Bush family.

Blogger Shimshon July 23, 2015 9:36 AM  

Cail, that's not quite accurate. Esau is father of the West (and by extension all of Christendom). All humanity is descended from Noah's three sons.

Anonymous Krul July 23, 2015 9:46 AM  

Shimshon - "Esau is father of the West (and by extension all of Christendom)."

It's strange, though. Edom was clearly a separate country and people from the Greeks and Romans, whose history overlaps with ancient Edom for at least 6 centuries.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 July 23, 2015 9:56 AM  

The church is most decidedly anti-fragile.

Blogger JartStar July 23, 2015 10:04 AM  

Jihad is spreading to Sub-Saharan Africa as well as refugees flee south and are radicalized or the jihad groups are pushed out and go to greener pastures. At the same time Christianity is growing phenomenally in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 23, 2015 10:07 AM  

Falphil - If you do not have a sword, exchange your cloak to get one. I did not come to you to bring peace, but a sword. Because of Me, people will hate you!

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 23, 2015 10:11 AM  

Lololol

http://shoebat.com/2015/07/22/oh-this-should-be-fun-swedish-conservative-group-sticks-it-to-the-left-by-planning-to-hold-a-gay-pride-parade-that-will-go-through-muslim-dominant-areas/

Anonymous Lord T July 23, 2015 10:15 AM  

On the plus side when the number of Christians reaches zero then nukes will have no collateral damage.

Just thinking out loud.

Blogger David-093 July 23, 2015 10:20 AM  

"Krul, Jews consider Ishmael to be the father of the Arabs, and Esau the father of the Gentiles."

Everyone not descended from Jacob is a Gentile. Japheth is the father of the Caucasians. Esau is the father of most of the modern Jewish population, and Ishmael is the father of the Arabs.

Anonymous Anonymous Bosch July 23, 2015 10:21 AM  

Mint, what part of Indonesia are you from mate? I lived in Jakarta Barat for a while, and definitely got the same impression you shared (even if many Christians in the capital seemed to have more protection). I always laughed when the Muslims I played football with would rant about how immoral the West is while they were all smoking weed and drinking between games.

Blogger David-093 July 23, 2015 10:23 AM  

"So, an advice to Western church wants to sent missionaries to a new area; introduce Yeshua Ha-Masiach, not western culture. Introduce the faith; not the hymns or how you must sit on a pew in order to pray."

The West made these regions safe and open for Christianity to spread. Our worst mistake was leaving them because apparently none of the Christians in these areas can defend themselves.

Anonymous Viidad July 23, 2015 10:34 AM  

Turkey had perhaps a half-dozen believers there at the time of my father's martyrdom. Now there are at least tens of thousands and they're visible. Good things are already happening.

Blogger Nate July 23, 2015 10:37 AM  

'Turkey had perhaps a half-dozen believers there at the time of my father's martyrdom. "

Turks murdered your father. Turks murdered my great grand mother.

Anonymous Baseball Savant July 23, 2015 10:42 AM  

There are my favorite posts.

Anonymous rienzi July 23, 2015 10:45 AM  

Davis-093:" Jews consider Ishmael to be the father of the Arabs, and Esau the father of the Gentiles."

The Jews "consider" a lot, much of it completely ludicrous. Because "holocaust" we're not supposed to say: "That's undoubtedly one of the most stupid things I've ever heard"., on the pain of being branded a evil nazi racist anti-semitic etc. etc. etc.....

I seriously doubt that Esau had anything to do whatsoever with the ancestors of the Japanese people.

I will give the Orthodox Ashkenazim this: for sheer navel-gazing, pompous, self-important, provincial hubris they are the world leaders.

Anonymous Michael of Charlotte July 23, 2015 10:47 AM  

Serious question, how legal would be to start a charity that provides small arms to African Christians? Would I have to establish a factory there to not be guilty of being sn international arms dealer?

Blogger Rabbi B July 23, 2015 10:50 AM  

"Good things are already happening."

Persecution is the best growth program there is.

"If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me." (cf. John 15)

If they treated the Head with scorn and contempt, should we really expect that the rest of the Body will not suffer?

I want to know the Messiah—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. (cf. Philippians 3)

Anyone committed to living a G-dly life will be persecuted. That's a promise. We would do well to remember what we signed up for. (II Timothy 3).

If you have run with the footmen and they have wearied you, how well do you think you will fare when the horsemen come? (Jeremiah 12)

Blogger David-093 July 23, 2015 10:55 AM  

@rienzi

That was Cail's statement, not mine. My response was below it.

Anonymous Styloski July 23, 2015 11:00 AM  

First Christianity will go, then we'll work on Islam. Judaism can stay.

Blogger Nate July 23, 2015 11:00 AM  

"Serious question, how legal would be to start a charity that provides small arms to African Christians?"

I don't see any problem with it in terms of legality unless it was illegal for them to own guns in their own home country.

You buy the guns... and you give the guns to the families that need them. the trouble is... making sure you're not giving the guns the enemy by mistake.

Anonymous rienzi July 23, 2015 11:10 AM  

David-093: " @rienzi

That was Cail's statement, not mine. My response was below it."


My apologies to David-093. Should have drank my coffee first.


Anonymous Michael of Charlotte July 23, 2015 11:20 AM  

So then, I need;

To buy the guns snd ammunition
Logistics for delivery
Ex-Military to train the locals to shoot properly
Ex-Military to train in tactics
Knowledge of the local politics
Long-term - a factory for ammunition
And money, lots and lots of money

Just thinking out loud...

Blogger Rabbi B July 23, 2015 11:20 AM  

Edom is a codename for Rome in the Talmud and a metonym for the non-Jewish nations in general.

For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations,
And His fury against all their armies;
He has utterly destroyed them,
He has given them over to the slaughter.

. . . . .

“For My sword shall be bathed in heaven;
Indeed it shall come down on Edom,
And on the people of My curse, for judgment.

(cf. Isaiah 34)

Blogger Tommy Hass July 23, 2015 11:20 AM  

"I seriously doubt that Esau had anything to do whatsoever with the ancestors of the Japanese people.

I will give the Orthodox Ashkenazim this: for sheer navel-gazing, pompous, self-important, provincial hubris they are the world leaders."

Lol.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis July 23, 2015 11:22 AM  

Hence why I think Russia is so important. If Russia can be fully transformed into a model on its Tsarist past, it can be a firing base for Christendom and we can hope to conquer within the next 200 years what will by then be the ruined ashes of Liberalism.

I don't know if you really need Russia for that. Christianity has shown impressive resilience. Christianity is exploding in Asia, especially in China, partly due to the Chinese association with Christianity being the belief of modernity and part due to the utter spiritual vacuum left by the rampage of Mao. Even Africa is seeing tremendous growth that is unique in that it is Africans converting Africans rather than foreign missionaries converting the natives.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 23, 2015 11:23 AM  

"On the plus side when the number of Christians reaches zero then nukes will have no collateral damage.

Just thinking out loud."

Get a load of this edgy little faggot.

Do you think you're not going to burn in hell for this, you genocidal turd?

Anonymous N5 July 23, 2015 11:29 AM  

The Turks killed my grandmother's people until the Habsburgs kicked them out of Hungary in 1699 or so. Turcae delenda est

Blogger David-093 July 23, 2015 11:31 AM  

@Nate

"You buy the guns... and you give the guns to the families that need them. the trouble is... making sure you're not giving the guns the enemy by mistake."

That should be easy to tell, just check their goats, do they look normal?

@rienzi

No worries mate.

Blogger Noah B #120 July 23, 2015 11:37 AM  

Last week I was talking with a friar who had been serving in Turkey near the Syrian border. He was adamant that the Turkish government is supplying ISIS with arms. He told the story of a police officer there who had stopped an illegal arms convoy consisting of more than a dozen trucks, and the police officer's diligence landed him in prison.

Blogger Noah B #120 July 23, 2015 11:44 AM  

@Nate

You'd have to make sure that the receiving entities were not designated as terror groups by the State Department. And the export of arms rather than cash would violate federal law unless you had an export license.

A friendly government like Russia would probably even provide shipping.

Anonymous Max July 23, 2015 11:53 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwXgZu70k0o

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 23, 2015 11:57 AM  

Sometimes it's the symbolic token institutions representing west (like KFC)

Maybe having a black president wasn't such a good idea.

The charity we need : Kalashnikovs for Christians I thought Nate was an AR-15 guy, maybe buying the Glock was the 1st step

Maarbeh:/Smej:/Rakham:/Tisiya: All of the parishioners fled and are now refugees.

And bathhouse Barry and the cowardly UN Resettlement agency are only importing Syrian moslem refugees to the US.

"an animal with human characteristics," as in Hebrew the noun precedes the adjective. "Man" modifies "wild ass."

Did they really have furries all the way back then?

oh-this-should-be-fun-swedish-conservative-group-sticks-it-to-the-left-by-planning-to-hold-a-gay-pride-parade-that-will-go-through-muslim-dominant-areas/

This isn't a baseball bat with nails driven through it, its obviously a dildo. That's why its coated in bacon grease.

Long-term - a factory for ammunition Would a factory be cheaper than getting Russian surplus ammo outside the US?

Anonymous Ostar July 23, 2015 12:07 PM  

Less Christians in the ME also means less resistance to bombing that area back to the stone age when (not if) they nuke some part of the US.

Blogger Mint July 23, 2015 12:17 PM  

@Anonymous Bosch
My work requires me to work on some remote area. I spent 6 years in Aceh, the most strict Muslim area and the first to enforce syariah law in Indonesia; the whipping punishment on public for drinking, hand cut for thief etc...I wore hijab, so I could blend in and not 'inviting' men to stare. Twice men tried to fondle me...yeah non Muslim women/Christians girls had it coming, they are easy/cheap women anyway dressing like that. No moral whatsoever.

There was a woman Christian convert at the time I worked there, when the community found out she had been baptized, she was put in prison, tortured by shaving her head bald (an insult to her dignity as a Malay woman), forced to say the shahadat and renounced her new faith. It'sad, but she was alone, nobody dared to speak for her to risk going to jail yourself.

Anonymous The Obvious July 23, 2015 12:17 PM  

Get a load of this edgy little faggot.

Do you think you're not going to burn in hell for this, you genocidal turd?


Can you go a single comment thread without being the poster boy for Tourettes?

You get "triggered" more often than an SJW.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 23, 2015 12:25 PM  

You buy the guns... and you give the guns to the families that need them. the trouble is... making sure you're not giving the guns the enemy by mistake.

Compounded by the fact that even if you get the right people to give the guns to, if they aren't really willing to use them and band together to do so, the enemy will just come and take them.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 23, 2015 12:25 PM  

Slightly OT but related:

"America has not yet become Babylon the Great, despite the recent legal ruling. But even if it does, so what? We can peek at the end of the Book, and see how the story will end. And it turns out that it will end with glory, with the kingdom of this world becoming the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ. Babylon the Great will fall, and when it does, the saints and apostles and prophets in heaven will rejoice, for it had become the dwelling place demons, the haunt of every foul spirit, and every foul and hateful bird (Rev. 18:2)."

AmericaTheGreat

Anonymous patrick kelly July 23, 2015 12:30 PM  

"Compounded by the fact that even if you get the right people to give the guns to, if they aren't really willing to use them and band together to do so, the enemy will just come and take them. "

Good reason to have all those "extra" firearms, when joined by those otherwise vetted as "the right people....willing to use them" who aren't quite as well equipped....

And I've also considered the scenario where I won't be able to participate in much hog feeding for some reason, and I have to donate my firearms to those who will before the JBTs show up to take them from me.....

Blogger Mint July 23, 2015 12:45 PM  

@36 David -093
" The West made these region safe and open for the Christianity to spread."

The West came and involved in area which not belong to them. And you resent immigrant come within your border you say?

The Gospel origins from Middle East, I do not think it needs the West to become open to Christianity. As you can read in the OP, the number of Christians dwindled AFTER the West came.

The mistake is not leaving Christians when they have no defense, the mistake is coming to Middle East acting like USA is the world Police, spending million in military action abroad, in Arab countries, not in US soil mind you, so what you call that military action when a country do that to your country and announce it as if they are helping you?

Blogger David-093 July 23, 2015 1:13 PM  

"The West came and involved in area which not belong to them. And you resent immigrant come within your border you say?"

I resent that the immigrants coming to the United States have no love for the country they come to and bring nothing but crime and degeneracy. The Northern European immigrants that came to the US in the 1700s and 1800s were a benefit, Central Americans are not.

It's the same thing with the English and their overseas colonies. America freed itself, but stayed Christian. The other colonies didn't free themselves but were let go, and they descended back into tyranny and barbarism almost immediately. The differences are obvious.

"The Gospel origins from Middle East, I do not think it needs the West to become open to Christianity. As you can read in the OP, the number of Christians dwindled AFTER the West came."

How many were in the Middle East before the British Empire? Islam conquered formerly Christian lands in the Middle East a thousand years ago and still holds onto them today. Not until the British Empire took control of Africa and parts of the Middle East did Christianity emerge again as a significant force there. Christianity was imperiled after they left and this predicament accelerated after Bush's corporate wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"The mistake is not leaving Christians when they have no defense, the mistake is coming to Middle East acting like USA is the world Police, spending million in military action abroad, in Arab countries, not in US soil mind you, so what you call that military action when a country do that to your country and announce it as if they are helping you?"

No the mistake is not doing empire right if it's going to be done at all. I'd much rather the US actually behave like the British empire before it rather than like a bulldog for Haliburton, Raytheon, and Lockheed.

Blogger Nate July 23, 2015 1:15 PM  

" I thought Nate was an AR-15 guy"

I am an AR guy... but AKs are cheap and widely available. And thus make a better option.

Blogger Nate July 23, 2015 1:17 PM  

"
Can you go a single comment thread without being the poster boy for Tourettes?

You get "triggered" more often than an SJW."

He's a diaper headed turk. How can you possibly expect him to control his emotions?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales July 23, 2015 2:04 PM  

"...after Bush's corporate wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...."

Oh fuck me. Well, actually, fuck you, for bringing this shit up again. Though I'll give this to you, at least you Bush Derangement Syndrome shitheads aren't pushing the war for oil narrative, as you've presumably figured out what an actual war for oil looks like.

Anonymous BGS July 23, 2015 2:09 PM  

the whipping punishment on public for drinking

Is that for drinking water during the day for Ramadam, or for booze?

Blogger Mark Citadel July 23, 2015 2:23 PM  

Cogitans - I was referring to Occidental Christianity. The rise of Christianity in China and Africa is great and all, but what is it doing for Occidental Christianity?

My question is, within 100 years, can Christians in China do two things -

1) Make their Christianity hierarchical and adaptive past the stage of mere evangelization
2) Turn the state Christian

If they can do that, they might be able to raise China out of mongrelizing greed and corruption.

Anonymous Anonymous July 23, 2015 2:36 PM  

Tertullian:

"The blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church."

Pax - jb

Anonymous Hrw-500 July 23, 2015 2:39 PM  

@ daddynichol

I saw this article from the Economist written in November 2014 via this French blog about the rise of Christianity in China.
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21629218-rapid-spread-christianity-forcing-official-rethink-religion-cracks

Anonymous patrick kelly July 23, 2015 2:43 PM  

"How many were in the Middle East before the British Empire? Islam conquered formerly Christian lands in the Middle East a thousand years ago and still holds onto them today."

Christians and Jews both lived in those conquered areas during those centuries before any Europeans showed up trying to rescue them. They may not have been considered "Christian lands", but the Muslims sought to rule over them, not carry out any convert or die genocidal mania like what we see going on now.

Blogger Corvinus July 23, 2015 3:02 PM  

Christians and Jews both lived in those conquered areas during those centuries before any Europeans showed up trying to rescue them. They may not have been considered "Christian lands", but the Muslims sought to rule over them, not carry out any convert or die genocidal mania like what we see going on now.

Yeah, it's rather suspicious how the Christians lived there for hundreds of years more or less unharmed, until the 20th century rolled around.

Turkey is Christianfrei because of the Young Turks, who were a secular outfit, not Muslim.

The Saudis and other Arabs have always had a DADT policy toward Christianity.

Even ISIS doesn't actually exterminate them. Granted, they seem to set the jizya far too high, and try to take their women, but they seem to treat Yazidis and Shia far worse.

The Christians are being expelled from Iraq and Syria because of the endless civil wars going on there, triggered by our messing around in those countries. If we simply had left Saddam and Assad alone and not tried to impose dumb-mock-crazy in an extraordinarily inbred, clannish part of the world where it simply won't work, there'd be no problem.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 23, 2015 3:29 PM  

Traditional Islam was no worse to Christianity than other Traditional religions, and was actually often better than the worst Roman periods. The massacres have been down to

1) Muslim Secularists inspired by Marxists
2) The Fundamentalist backlash which was a response ultimate to #1

Everything f*cked up begins and ends with Liberalism. It is a CANCER

Blogger Matamoros July 23, 2015 3:32 PM  

I have been waiting to hear of the Christians in the Near East arming themselves, and launching strikes against those who would harm them. Unfortunately this has yet to happen - although we did hear of Christian militias in Lebanon 20 odd years ago.

If these people want to sit and wail, rather than to fight like men for their Faith and family, they deserve to be eradicated.

Christians in many of these countries are wealthy compared to Muslims around them. They have the money to buy arms, but not the will to purchase or use them.

Bare your neck or fight. That is the choice.

Blogger Corvinus July 23, 2015 4:59 PM  

@Matamoros

I really suspect that raw numbers are crucial for survival. Even if they're armed, it does absolutely no good when they're only 3% of the population.

The Armenian Genocide resulted because the Armenians, although they were armed and did fight, were outnumbered by their Muslim neighbors 2:1 in the areas where they lived.

In Bosnia, survival depended upon whether or not a given ethnic group was the majority.

In Lebanon, Christians are actually the majority in many areas, so armed resistance was doable there.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 23, 2015 7:07 PM  

thanks Rabbi B.

Blogger Matamoros July 23, 2015 11:16 PM  

You are right in many was Corvinus. However, remember that these same people's ancestors were the majority and they let Muslim armies first conquer them, and then force the majority to apostatize and become Muslim.

The Crusaders ruled a large area including Jerusalem for about 200 years. The local Muslims and Christians fought as auxiliaries to European troops and the Military Religious Orders. So they could fight still at that time.

I suspect it comes down to will. One must first have the will to resist. If they are unwilling to fight for their Faith, they will lose it. "He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me." Matt. 10:37

I suspect they truly fear the Muslim overlords, and have not the faith left in Christ to resist in the hope of a martyr's death, and heaven in the next world.

In a war of annihilation, one must either rise to the occasion or die. Bare the neck or fight.

Anonymous Luke July 23, 2015 11:25 PM  

Faintly related: William Lind's excellent "Victoria" ends with elements of Christendom plotting to liberate the Dar-Islam for the return of Christianity.

Blogger Sam Hall July 23, 2015 11:34 PM  

Nate: He's a diaper headed turk

That isn't a diaper, it is a little sheet. So, you should call him a little sheet head.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis July 24, 2015 11:50 AM  

Cogitans - I was referring to Occidental Christianity. The rise of Christianity in China and Africa is great and all, but what is it doing for Occidental Christianity?

My question is, within 100 years, can Christians in China do two things -

1) Make their Christianity hierarchical and adaptive past the stage of mere evangelization
2) Turn the state Christian

If they can do that, they might be able to raise China out of mongrelizing greed and corruption.


I'd say yes and and maybe. Chinese have no problem with forming hierarchical groups so I think that is a given. As for the state, who knows, 300 million Chinese Christians is a lot of Christians but still only a minority in a population of 1+ billion.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God July 25, 2015 8:55 PM  

"In a war of annihilation, one must either rise to the occasion or die. Bare the neck or fight."

So, Matamoros, are you willing to stick out that neck?


"Hence why I think Russia is so important. If Russia can be fully transformed into a model on its Tsarist past..."

That's a big IF, considering that Putin and his corprocratic cronies are currently at the helm. Besides, what makes you think that Russia's Tsarist past is anything to rally behind?


"it can be a firing base for Christendom and we can hope to conquer within the next 200 years what will by then be the ruined ashes of Liberalism."

Why don't you begin putting into motion the plan NOW, rather than merely present talking points?


"What is becoming very clear, as it pertains to both the tide of Muslim Fundamentalism (which was inevitable after Liberals tried to secularize them) and also the tide of a more jackbooted Liberalism, we need today a Christian Hezbollah."

Christians do not have the stomach for type of Holy War that you call for.


"My question is, within 100 years, can Christians in China do two things...if they can do that, they might be able to raise China out of mongrelizing greed and corruption."

Might as well create robots that look and act human, sans their internal hardwiring for materialism.

Blogger Matamoros July 28, 2015 3:59 PM  

So, Matamoros, are you willing to stick out that neck?

Not to bare it, but to stick it out and fight for Faith and Kin - sure. Deus lo vult!

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