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Saturday, July 04, 2015

Ayn Rand foresaw World War T

Adam Hobbes explains why it's necessary to resist the SJW attempt to control the he/she language:
“The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. They come to be accepted by degrees, by precedent, by implication, by erosion, by default, by dint of constant pressure on one side and constant retreat on the other—until the day when they are suddenly declared to be the country’s official ideology.”
- Ayn Rand

The public debut of “Caitlyn” Jenner represents a watershed moment for American culture. Though most have not realized it, Jenner’s coming out party constitutes a significant “trial balloon” on the part of the progressive left and the media. It is an attempt to cash in on years of carefully managed stories on transgender “discrimination,” sympathetic portrayals of transgender characters in entertainment, and the generally successful campaign of the gay rights movement and social justice activists.

The goal is simple: normalize transgenderism to such an extent that any criticism of the concept or its practitioners will not be tolerated.
They must not be allowed to succeed. Whether the silent majority of Americans realize it or not, the transgender issue represents the last best opportunity to turn the tide in the culture wars. Make no mistake: the progressives are winning.

Twenty years ago a person could openly criticize homosexuality. Today, thanks to the Supreme Court, people who do not enthusiastically endorse gay marriage are branded as bigots, disqualified from high-profile business positions, and generally dismissed as ignorant hicks whose views are outside of the scope of acceptable thought.
Tolerance is not a virtue. Tolerance is "the sin of Jeroboam". Tolerance is the little compromise that leads gradually to intellectual obliteration.

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Anonymous Discard July 04, 2015 2:16 AM  

Draw all the lines you think you can hold. Specialize in one issue or another, if you can't be be conversant on all issues. Be able to argue your side, so when the SJW comes after you, you can expose his complete ignorance.
I, for example, refuse to use the word "Asian" when I mean Oriental". I may seem obsessive about it, but I win the argument. I have a few other positions that I'm able to defend in public without stumbling. We can't all run blogs, but we can all hold a position here or there.

Anonymous Discard July 04, 2015 2:23 AM  

Ridicule is the best weapon for the Jenner fight. Not ridiculing Jenner, but the slavish conformist who buys his story. Call them out for their conformity to a BS media line in the face of an obvious reality. That really hurts.

Blogger bob k. mando July 04, 2015 2:48 AM  

VD
Ayn Rand foresaw World War T



Rand was late to the party. R.L. Dabney was rocking this in 1870.

"And last: the State has committed the crowning outrage and inconsistency of not letting her be a man because God made her a woman! What an outrage this to be committed on so frivolous a pretext!
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Has not the Radical version of the political gospel said, "All men are by nature mechanically equal?" And "man", Mistress Amazona ( as you will know when you acquire the virile right of learning Latin ) here means, not vir, but homo; the species irrespective of sex. It means that a woman has a natural right to do all the particular things that a man does ( if she can ), to sit on juries and shave her beard, to serve in the army and ride astraddle, to preach sermons and sing bass.
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He cannot consistently oppose it; he has himself naturalized the false principles from which that 'reform' will flow. The true principles from which its folly might have been evinced, the principles held by us "Rebels", he has trampled down with the armed heel, and drowned in blood and buried under mountains of obloquoy and odium and slander. He cannot resort to those sound premisses. To meet the argument of these aspiring Amazons fairly, one must teach , with Moses, the Apostle Paul, John Hampden, Washington, George Mason, John C. Calhoun and all that contemptible rabble of 'old fogies', that political society is composed of "superiors, inferiors and equals"; that while all these bear an equitable moral relation to each other, they have very different natural rights and duties; that just government is not founded on the consent of the individuals governed, but on the ordinance of God, and hence a share in the ruling franchise is not a natural right at all, but a privilege to be bestowed according to a wise discretion on a limited class having qualification to use it for the good of the whole; that the integers out of which the State is constituted are not individuals, but families represented in their parental heads; that every human being is born under authority ( parental and civic ) instead of being born "free" in the licentious sense that liberty is each one's privilege of doing what he chooses;
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It may be inferred again that the present movement for women's rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. It's history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save it's credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon it's timidity, and will be succeeded by some third revolution, to be denounced and then adopted in it's turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near it's leader."

Anonymous George of the Jungle July 04, 2015 2:51 AM  

How in the hell has the left been so unbelievably patient, cunning, methodical, and seemingly equipped with a foolproof plan for an incremental takeover? Granted that their hypothetical opposition has simultaneously been unbelievably stupid, but there is still such a thing as cultural inertia, which the left over the last hundred years has somehow managed to almost completely overcome. By now, the exponential curve representing societal change is well past the inflection point.

Blogger rho July 04, 2015 3:02 AM  

You know what America needs? A mestizo in Italy telling us what to think.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 04, 2015 3:12 AM  

Tolerance is something you can have for something you can destroy with a moment's attention to the issue.

It's something borne of strength (which is one reason the SJWs have no tolerance for much of anything). But if you suddenly find you cannot obliterate the thing with ease, whatever you feel towards it is no longer tolerance. it's either subjugation or enmity. No good will come of pretending things are not what they are.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 July 04, 2015 3:12 AM  

> You know what America needs? A mestizo in Italy telling us what to think.

Racist xenophobic hater.

Blogger rho July 04, 2015 3:15 AM  

Racist xenophobic hater.

Your language, not mine.

Blogger tim July 04, 2015 3:24 AM  

Everybody here thinks pretty well for themselves rho, that sends fear up your frail squirmy spine.

Blogger rho July 04, 2015 3:32 AM  

Everybody here thinks pretty well for themselves rho

I didn't number anybody.

Blogger Groot July 04, 2015 3:45 AM  

I am Groot. Think for your selves. Diversity of thought. Seems outlandish? My wife's butt. A wonderfulness. I revel.

Blogger James Jones July 04, 2015 3:58 AM  

Comment self-disqualifies itself from reasoned debate.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 04, 2015 4:41 AM  

The SJW's aren't winning. Not in the sense that Sodom defeated Lot. Not in the sense that antediluvian man defeated Noah.
They are doing stuff, but winning isn't even on the table. It isn't an option.
Pyrrhic victories aren't victories anymore than burning down the house can be considered a renovation.

Theodore Dalrymple on the purposes of lies in totalitarian societies:

In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.


No one leaves earth alive so to speak. There's only one winner. Call it what you will, what they are doing isn't on the road to glory.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 04, 2015 4:44 AM  

Ya know.....this is tinfoil hat shit....real Alex Jewns...oops I mean "jones" whackaloony...

Y'all are conspiracy theorists!!! NO WAY could you have 60 to 200 years of generational sinister plans with ALL the normal people around. Surely they would sound the alarm?!?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 04, 2015 4:47 AM  

Bruce Jenner is not a woman. He is a cross-dresser. Bruce Jenner is not attractive when dressed as a woman. Hell, he looks pretty weird these days when dressed as a man thanks to all the plastic surgery.

These are incontrovertible truths. These days stating them is a revolutionary act.

I would be very surprised if any regulars on this site have not read Power of the Powerless, but if you haven't here is a link.

http://mrdivis.yolasite.com/resources/Vaclav%20Havel's%20Power%20of%20the%20Powerless.pdf


Anonymous 334 July 04, 2015 5:09 AM  

You know what America needs? A mestizo in Italy telling us what to think.

Better than another homegrown idiot.

Anonymous frenchy July 04, 2015 5:17 AM  

I think there is humor to be found in all of this transgender talk. When, or if, these transgender (male) folks start trying out for female sports, it'll be really interesting. The women will cry and scream for the men to come help them, but no help will come...unless a man wants to lose his job.

It's kinda like what Dalrock said. Women will complain, "They're using our tactics!"

Transgender males in women's locker rooms...bathrooms. On women's softball teams routinely hitting the ball out the park. On track teams smoking the competition. In the swimming pool winning by several lengths. Playing tennis smashing serves, and hitting harder return volleys. On basketball teams dunking, and getting every rebound. On soccer teams just leaving the defenders in the dust, and sending scorchers towards the net. Imagine the Olympics. And what if men can just fake being transgender for a season? Who would dare rewrite the rules?

If this destroys Title IX...

Anonymous Steve July 04, 2015 5:25 AM  

Tolerance is not a virtue. Tolerance is "the sin of Jeroboam". Tolerance is the little compromise that leads gradually to intellectual obliteration.

Some years ago, cheerless Cambrian crooners The Manic Street Preachers sang "if you tolerate this, your children will be next". The track itself was mediocre, being both dreary and perversely inspired by Communist propaganda from Thirties Spain.

(And, of course, the trendy European left has been crying and wanking over the failure of their Stalinist heroes in the Spanish Civil War since 1939. It has only ever produced bad art, from Picasso's retarded scrawling of Guernica to shitty Irish political folk tunes by self-styled 'rebels' who'd have been shot out of hand if they'd been dissidents in Republican Spain. But I digress.)

Anyway, the basic sentiment is sound. If we tolerate this, our children will be next.

Some years ago, I'd have been all for tolerating Bruce "Call Me Autogynephile" Jenner. But as Doc Brown warned, "It's your kids, Marty! Something's gotta be done about your kids!"

Tolerance is an indulgence we can no longer afford, not because of anything poor, demented Bruce Jenner does. But because of the way he and people like him are being used as a cultural battering ram against normality itself.

The mass media narrative - that Jenner is a woman simply because he "feels" he is one - is part of a wider gender madness that has gripped the SJW left. Emboldened by their success in getting gay marriage on the books, trannies are the new shock troops of the proggies. Because the SJW hive never declares victory and goes home - like a swarm of locusts, they just keep eating crops till there is nothing left or the farmer fumigates them.

From the Heinz 57 gender options on Facebook to schools introducing "gender neutral" ideology to the classroom, to genderless bathrooms, to feminists demanding toy stores stop marketing their products seperately to boys and girls, the goal is to destroy our children's chance to grow up as normal, healthy people.

If a 65 year old grandfather can suddenly be a "woman" with a penis, and little boys are encouraged to play with Barbie dolls, and schools are encouraged to call small children "purple penguins" so as to avoid "gendered" language, and you can't even go for a piss without being confronted with gender insanity, what hope for kiddies being raised in this miasma of confusion?

We already see heartbreaking news reports of tiny tots being proudly wheeled out by their deluded parents as "transgendered". Children who are still at an age where they might sincerely claim to be pirates or spaceships are being taken at their word if they claim to be the opposite sex, and given life-altering medical treatment at an age when they should be climbing trees and watching cartoons instead.

So I fear we've passed Peak Tolerance. We've seen where a passive attitude of well-intentioned nice-guyness takes us. Nothing we can do will ever stop the SJW's denouncing us as evil, hate-filled bigots - look at K Tempest Bradford's demands that people stop reading white male authors. Doesn't matter that most of those white men are liberals who would gladly kiss her well-upholstered arse. They're the oppressor, the enemy.

We have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by saying "No, fuck off" to the latest round of bizarro-world social justice bullshit.

You can put lipstick on a perverted old man, but that doesn't make him a woman, much less a "beautiful" one. A man is a man for all that. There are four lights.

The Left will cry and stamp their dainty little feet, of course. But we don't care.

Anonymous FisherOfMen July 04, 2015 5:56 AM  

>>How in the hell has the left been so unbelievably patient, cunning, methodical, and seemingly equipped with a foolproof plan for an incremental takeover?

You're wrong about this. Here are two alternate possibilities, one of which is the actual truth:

1. The left got here not by being cunning, etc, but simply by being too stupid and close minded to ever change their opinions on anything once decided. The evidence for this is that a leftist often holds the same opinions at 13 that she holds at 43, without a single modification due to the learnings of a lifetime. So they win by simply being oaks instead of reeds (and things will end up as they did in that fable eventually).

2. The left is simply the tools of some actually intelligent people, who are pursuing very different goals from what would be obvious. By this theory, gay marriage and Jenner are not about opening minds, growing acceptance, and making the world a better place for the meek, but rather about collapsing society. This is a more frightening one, because we've got a few examples from the last century that this tactic works just fine.

Blogger rumpole5 July 04, 2015 6:14 AM  

Re: "mestizo in Italy"-
It is much more effective to throw the drowning a lifeline if the thrower is not in the water himself.

Blogger Thordaddy July 04, 2015 6:19 AM  

Up until the normals call these radically liberated individuals the self-annihilators that they are then there will be no impetus to reject and submit them so as to be put back into the closet.

Blogger Krul July 04, 2015 6:38 AM  

Ayn Rand clearly saw the insidious tactics used by enemies of freedom and individualism, tactics which are still being used to horrible effect today.

Take for example the tactic used to destroy the concept of individual rights:

"A collectivist tyranny dare not enslave a country by an outright confiscation of its values, material or moral. It has to be done by a process of internal corruption. Just as in the material realm the plundering of a country’s wealth is accomplished by inflating the currency—so today one may witness the process of inflation being applied to the realm of rights. The process entails such a growth of newly promulgated “rights” that people do not notice the fact that the meaning of the concept is being reversed. Just as bad money drives out good money, so these “printing-press rights” negate authentic rights" (From her essay "Man's Rights")

Her example is FDR's "economic bill of rights", but one can find plenty of farcical "rights" nowadays. The right to a wedding cake, for example.

Then there's her essay "Extremism" or the Art of Smearing, where she describes the weaselly process of attacking something without openly identifying it. What she says of anti-concepts like "extremism", "isolationism", and "McCarthyism" are equally true of "racism", "sexism", and "homophobia".

"For instance, “concern (or non-concern) with the rest of the world” is not an essential characteristic of any theory of foreign relations. If a man hears the term “isolationists” applied to a number of individuals, he will observe that the essential characteristic distinguishing them from other individuals is patriotism—and he will conclude that “isolationism” means “patriotism” and that patriotism is evil. Thus the real meaning of the term will automatically replace the alleged meaning."

In the same way, a man will observe that "racism" is only applied to whites, that "sexism" is only applied to men, or that only Christianity is "intolerant".

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 04, 2015 6:44 AM  

Speaking of propaganda Playboy has a photo spread of a he/she, needless to say my long term subscription is going to lapse. I was going to let it lapse years ago but I wanted the last paper issue, but they have outlasted me.

Anonymous Aphelion July 04, 2015 7:02 AM  

Got an L in the office and a T at a field site who I have to meet with occasionally. Sometimes I start to feel that these abominations are more prevalent than the statisticians say. But Dalrymple had it right, this is all about making the populace accept the lie. The lie which is the foundation of our increasingly worthless currency and Obama's claim to have created 12 million jobs, lies that all mainstream media, even Fox News perpetuate. The lies of T are just there to keep us believing the other lies, like climate change, peak oil, or H can be married and make just as good parents as straights.

The truth is out there, first and foremost in your trusty old Bible. For more modern writings there are conservative, Bible preaching pastors and people like Vox, Denninger, and John Williams (ShadowStats.com estimates unemployment at about 23% and estimates the U.S. Negative GDP since 2000 or so) who are trying to find the truth despite government efforts to bury it deep in their empty nuclear waste dump at Yucca Flats.

Anonymous Stilicho #0066 July 04, 2015 7:21 AM  

@george of the jungle: the left has a very cunning, capable, and committed leader...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 04, 2015 7:22 AM  

I would recommend reading "Victoria." I seriously doubt the USSA lasts as long as the USSR, I'll start with two reasons, this governing unit (did not use the word nation on purpose) is not an oil exporter and secondly the USSR was to create a new Soviet man the USSA is into the multi-cult. My estimation the multi-cult was in part expediency or is expediency to grow the D party the party of power versus the R party which is the party of ratification of that power.

Many fault lines there that can be exploited, just on their side alone, now imagine if conservative minded whites find an identity of their own? Fun times

Blogger Parrothead Al July 04, 2015 7:22 AM  

Idiocracy may be the upside

Blogger VD July 04, 2015 7:23 AM  

That's enough, Thordaddy. If you mention the word "supremacy" in any of its forms again, your comment will be deleted. Do it twice and we'll start spamming them.

Monomanias of any kind are not permitted.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 04, 2015 7:32 AM  

Wellll...there's tolerance, and there's tolerance. Since no one here (ulp!) advocates killing homosexuals because they are homosexuals (a la ISIS and the tall buildings), we are demonstrably "tolerant" toward them.

The questions then become: "At what point must tolerance end? When do actions of those we tolerate become intolerable?"

As noted, it's dangerous to push tolerance too far, i.e. to tolerate that which has become intolerable. Where's's the tipping point? And while we may choose to tolerate some things (e.g. the existence of homosexuals, of both genders), there are evils that should not be tolerated at the very outset, on pain of societal suicide and destruction.

SJW's.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 04, 2015 7:40 AM  

Everybody here thinks pretty well for themselves rho

rho: I didn't number anybody.


Neither did Vox Day. We minions requested our magnificent, baleful, thoughtless numbers. Why? In order to unite, organize, and help stamp out the dangerous ugliness of SJWism. So tough shit. We don't care.

Blogger Otto July 04, 2015 7:47 AM  

Do you know how many times the word tolerance is used in the Bible? ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 7:55 AM  

frenchy: "I think there is humor to be found in all of this transgender talk. When, or if, these transgender (male) folks start trying out for female sports, it'll be really interesting. The women will cry and scream for the men to come help them, but no help will come...unless a man wants to lose his job."

Already a done deal in UFC mixed martial arts professional fighting. The test case was Fallon Fox, a mutilated man fighting as a woman. White knight heavyweight professional fighter Matt "Meathead" Mitrione gave a rant on how it was wrong for a man to beat up women. For his gallantry, he was fined very heavily, made to issue a sickly apology, and sentenced to a re-education / sensitivity program. He's a whipped dog now. And not a single one of the women he white knighted for spoke up for him while this was happening. So now all UFC tough guys are super politically correct and gender flexible, or if they say anything that might not fit the mold, they have to say they misspoke, they were misunderstood etc.

Anonymous Gary July 04, 2015 7:59 AM  

"And while we may choose to tolerate some things (e.g. the existence of homosexuals, of both genders), there are evils that should not be tolerated at the very outset, on pain of societal suicide and destruction."

What people do in their bedroom between consenting adults is no concern of mine.

When they demand me to celebrate their perversions and wish to warp my children you can go to hell.

As I cheerfully point out to people- Please explain to me in Darwin's terms or biblical terms how being a homo makes any sense? In the first case you can't pass on your genes so therefore a genetic failure and in the second case an abomination.

Usually they start stuttering and shut up when unable to come up with an answer.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 8:01 AM  

George of the Jungle: "How in the hell has the left been so unbelievably patient, cunning, methodical, and seemingly equipped with a foolproof plan for an incremental takeover?"

They prevail for the same reason that in a flock of wolves and sheep, the wolves are apt to prevail.

Anonymous Gary July 04, 2015 8:02 AM  

Was suppose to be "that I" sorry, the brain cells are not fully firing yet.

Anonymous Bohm July 04, 2015 8:12 AM  

the transgender issue represents the last best opportunity to turn the tide in the culture wars

That does’t say much for the culture wars.

Progressives will always be ‘winning’ the culture wars because without that premise, the the culture wars wouldn’t exist.

In his article, Adam Hobbes says:
Earlier progressive campaigns pertaining to issues such as women’s lib, gay rights, and miscegenation had decent libertarian justifications and did not seek to impose much on society save tolerance of alternative life choices.

This is disingenuous, because these three were all ‘lines in the sand’ previously. It’s a curious admission on Hobbe’s part, since he heads his article with Ayn Rand bemoaning that ‘uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow’.

Conservatives need the so-called culture wars far more than progressives. By ‘conservatives’ I mean the politicians. If they couldn’t maintain a seething resentment at the so-called liberal elites in the so-called mainstream media, their core vote might wake up and discover that the neo-liberal economic agenda has been fully accepted by both wings of the ruling party in Washington.

OpenID spastic0plastic July 04, 2015 8:27 AM  

They are now able justify the chemical castration of boys: the agenda may be more radical than even "reactionaries" are ready to believe.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 04, 2015 8:50 AM  

Consider just for an inconsequential minute that the world was run by shape shifting hyperdimensional demons whose only agenda was human extinction.
Question: Would they be doing anything differently?
An: No.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 04, 2015 9:01 AM  

And point 39:The same hyperdimensional shaft shifting demons would be the first to tell you that such a thought is crazy.
the refrain from the X-files was/ is "the truth is out there".

If "out there" is right, it's past time to leave what people think of as mainstream media, conventional wisdom, group think, the broad way, the Babylon whore.




Blogger njartist July 04, 2015 9:01 AM  

@19. FisherOfMen July 04, 2015 5:56 AM
# 2.

Also, the god of this world makes his plans and is patient.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 04, 2015 9:19 AM  

Yeah but think of the black knighting opportunities that lie ahead. I cannot wait to see the buffoons on the NFL Network waving the Rainbow flag and loving it. Like Golic on ESPN and the old man in a mini skirt issue had to sit there and love it or else.

Anonymous black knight July 04, 2015 9:27 AM  

Nevertheless, our Elite betters seem to be perfecting their methods of mass mind control.

The fake rapes, Confederate Flag, Baltimore, Jenner were just little lab experiments for them. They gain data and testing results everytime they push a new meme. The crown jewel remains gay marriage, something that didn't even exist 30 years ago but now is a "civil right" ranking above free speech and voting.

This isn't "propaganda"... this is something far stronger and scientific.

Social media (Facebook especially) lets them measure and control the herd like never before.

Anonymous Roundtine July 04, 2015 9:34 AM  

On Jenner, if sex is fluid, why isn't he given male hormones? Seems easier to push him back to male, no surgery required.

Anonymous old coyote July 04, 2015 9:34 AM  

first they came for the bakers; but i said nothing, because i was not a baker. who will fight for the couple fined 135K dollars, they were slapped with a gag order telling them they could not speak out about their public pillorying, told they would be jailed if they tried to defend their choice. as a citizen in the red counties of the left coast dominated lesbian governed state of quacker headed wackos- i want out!!

Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2015 9:43 AM  

Modern "culture" to a construct of the cultural elites. Possibly it has always been so since the days of Pharaoh. Maybe "culture" has always been driven top down through deception, manipulation, and control always in the service of the interests of the ruling classes.

Christianity on the other hand began as a counter-cultural force from the bottom up. The ruling classes feared and despised it because it was a threat to their power over the culture. It had the potential to free the masses from their manipulation.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 9:49 AM  

ld coyote: "i want out!!"

This too has been anticipated by the programmers of the social justice warrior drones.

Under Communism, the solution to people wanting out was simple: you were not going to make it past the Berlin Wall alive.

Under political correctness, the solution is that every white country, neighborhood and institution is being "diversified" and also given the cultural revolution treatment. Therefore the barrier to escape is that there is nowhere to run.

The new barrier to escape is less obvious than the Berlin Wall and less of a public embarrassment. It is also more aggressive, in a strategic sense.

Blogger Sad Puppy July 04, 2015 9:55 AM  

The questions then become: "At what point must tolerance end? When do actions of those we tolerate become intolerable?"

I don't have a full answer for this question. But I believe it should begin at the point where the tolerated becomes promoted and glorified as an acceptable alternative to whatever is considered average or normal.

Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2015 9:56 AM  

The wealthy power elite determines the cultural narrative. The SJWs are merely their mindless minions.

Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2015 10:11 AM  

Besides the Christian era, "Culture" has always been driven top down since the days of Pharaoh. The ruling classes have alway deceived, manipulated, and controlled the culture in in the service of their on interests.

Christianity, on the other hand, was driven from the bottom up. The ruling classes feared and despised it because it was a threat to their cultural control. Christianity ultimately freed the masses from the manipulations of the ruling classes. The ruling classes only embraced it when their political system was in threat of total collapse.

Blogger njartist July 04, 2015 10:20 AM  

@44. old coyote July 04, 2015 9:34 AM

first they came for the bakers; but i said nothing, because i was not a baker. who will fight for the couple fined 135K dollars, they were slapped with a gag order telling them they could not speak out about their public pillorying, told they would be jailed if they tried to defend their choice. as a citizen in the red counties of the left coast dominated lesbian governed state of quacker headed wackos- i want out!!

Very well, let every saint cry out to the Father: that he may speak loudly and clearly on behalf of his saints; that He will rise up and defend them bringing His vengeance down upon the perverse; and as these perverts and wicked judge have robbed this couple, let them be pillaged and robbed double, even triple.

Anonymous Neguy July 04, 2015 10:20 AM  

The obvious absurdity of the leftist embrace of transgender rights, the theory of which (an innate gender identity can trump biological sex) contradicts their existing orthodoxy (gender is a social construct) is a great window into seeing that leftism is really not about anything that it claims to be about. Another example would that despite claiming that it's bigoted to believe otherwise than that Caitlyn Jenner has always been a woman, not one of them has suggested she should forfeit the gold medals she won in violation of the rules in the men's olympic competition. We need to make use of these to help educate people about the truth of the left.

Anonymous Grill Master July 04, 2015 10:26 AM  

The mistake Hobbes makes in his critique of Jenner, the media and transgender stuff is that he gives no explanation as to why it ought not be tolerated by the public.

Perhaps he is just upset with the way the left and the media is accepting it. But I doubt it.

Unless he can explain to me why I should care what Jennings does, why I should not forget about it and just grill, drink and watch fireworks today, then he's just a one off complainer.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 04, 2015 10:30 AM  

The $135,000 fine and gag order against the couple in Oregon was imposed by Brad Avakian, an elected state officer. His web site is at http://www.bradavakian.com/.

We must IDENTIFY, NAME and TARGET tyrants and cultural miscreants. But we do not control the media, so it's not possible for us to generate a media storm of the sort that victimized Brendan Eich and Matt Taylor (to name only two).

Further, Irene Gallo said things that were far more reprehensible than Eich or Taylor ever did, yet she is still in her job at Tor Publishing.

So what can be done about Brad Avakian and people like him, if anything?

Anonymous Monkey Boy July 04, 2015 10:32 AM  

'Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.'

G. K. Chesterton

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 04, 2015 10:33 AM  

Tolerance encourages.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 04, 2015 10:33 AM  

How annoying these distraction matters require coverage for their larger meanings and issues. Ayn Rand crossed my mind when I saw a man on the cover of Vanity Fair via Drudge.

As usual boomers being worshiped for cultural and societal decline. Jenner goofed by stating he is the new normal.

His dangling participle only reflects a man so broken by so many women or so stressed out by women, he must become one to calm himself. The women stressed him out to such a degree, utterly overdosed on the ever carcinogenicestrogenpoisontherefore he wears a dress.

Page McRapey for a interview, McRaRa should interview Cate.

Blogger ICG July 04, 2015 10:52 AM  

Hate wins!

1995: We don’t want marriage, just civil unions.
2005: Our marriage won’t affect your rights.
2014: Bake me a cake, or else.
2015: Your opinion against same sex marriage is illegal.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/03/hate-wins-oregon-state-issues-gag-order-against-opposing-gay-marriage/

Anonymous Stephen J. July 04, 2015 10:55 AM  

@ Fisher of Men:
"Here are two alternate possibilities, one of which is the actual truth: 1. The left got here not by being cunning, etc, but simply by being too stupid and close minded to ever change their opinions on anything once decided. ... 2. The left is simply the tools of some actually intelligent people, who are pursuing very different goals from what would be obvious."

Worth noting that these two explanations are not mutually exclusive, I think.

Anonymous augustina July 04, 2015 10:59 AM  

Do not tolerate the toleraters. Leave the churches where they dominate, which is most churches. If your church is not overtaken yet, then kick out the tolerated as soon as they pipe up with their teary pleas for tolerance. Paul told us to not even eat with such a one.

Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2015 11:24 AM  

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Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2015 11:30 AM  

Stephen,

The answer is both 1 & 2. The objective of the wealthy elites is depopulation as outlined in Planned Parenthood's Jaffe Memo nearly 50 years ago.

The perverts and psychologically disordered are being used as weapons in the war on the family. They are a means to an end.

Anonymous Tar Heel (VFM#0245) July 04, 2015 11:35 AM  

Godfrey, please don't feed the trolls.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes July 04, 2015 11:36 AM  

How in the hell has the left been so unbelievably patient, cunning, methodical, and seemingly equipped with a foolproof plan for an incremental takeover?

The Left succeeds because it proselytizes. The Right does not.

Leftism is a religion, with gods, dogmas, sin, and redemption. It is a religion that demands activism.

Rightism is not a religion. For one, there is already a higher authority that we must bend our knee to, for another, the Right deals with the world as it is, not as it should be according so some fantasy. We use logic and intellect, not rhetoric and emotion.

Humans are designed to believe in God. If you deny that, then explain how every society in history has overwhelmingly believed in God. To be on the Left is to deny the One True God, but that leaves a truck-sized hole in ones soul that must be replaced with something. Ergo, the Religion of Leftism.

So it is not superior strategy, tactics, vision, or argument that allows the Left to succeed. It is simply that people dawn to the Left--who by nature are r/Selected, group-think rabbits--are far more likely to be at least moderately activist. On the Right, we just want to be left alone to live our lives. Unfortunately, by doing so we permit the Left to take hold.

It is our inaction that allows the Left to prevail, not anything they do.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 04, 2015 11:50 AM  

Upthread it was asked what we can do about government officials well their livelihood depends on a line item in a budget that is always negotiable. There are plenty of people in line for those dollars.

As for the Christian bakers is the Bundy Ranch option on the table?

Blogger Martin Davies July 04, 2015 11:59 AM  

I'm sure there's a name for men who have their balls cut off.....oh yes...eunuch.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch July 04, 2015 12:52 PM  

Elijah Rhodes,

As we all know the Ancient Chinese, Egyptians, and Romans pre-Constantine believed...oh wait no they didn't.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 04, 2015 1:01 PM  

Everyone quoting Ayn Rand needs to remember she was jewish at a time when they where taking over the media.

the left been so unbelievably patient, cunning, methodical, and seemingly equipped with a foolproof plan

You are mistaking the 1000th trial balloon for the 1st to make it this far.

. Sometimes I start to feel that these abominations are more prevalent than the statisticians say.

Trannies are still an obvious minority at gay bars on drag nights.

On women's softball teams routinely hitting the ball out the park. Has anyone verified that the Williams sisters have vags?

As for the Christian bakers is the Bundy Ranch option on the table?

The Bundy Ranch was not solved by the people at the Bundy ranch but by someone reposting an open letter to Holder. The letter let him know that it was not going to be people going to fight where the feds had all their expertise and eyes on but on the local leftist A-holes going unprotected.http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/05/no-more-free-wacos-explication-of.html

Blogger Michael Maier July 04, 2015 1:10 PM  

23. Mr.MantraMan July 04, 2015 6:44 AM
Speaking of propaganda Playboy has a photo spread of a he/she, needless to say my long term subscription is going to lapse. I was going to let it lapse years ago but I wanted the last paper issue, but they have outlasted me.


They did that in the 80s... where have you been?

Blogger Michael Maier July 04, 2015 1:13 PM  

http://www.etonline.com/news/166671_caroline_tula_cossey_reacts_to_caitlyn_jenner_coming_out_as_a_transgender_woman/

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes July 04, 2015 1:47 PM  

As we all know the Ancient Chinese, Egyptians, and Romans pre-Constantine believed...oh wait no they didn't.

Fail. Pantheism and polytheism are still beliefs in god(s). And even if I concede that the societies that you listed were Atheist, which they were not, so what? That there are exceptions does not disprove the general rule. The indisputable fact is the majority of humans have been believers in a higher power.

Blogger Groot July 04, 2015 2:27 PM  

@11. Groot:

Hey, someone is imitating me! I am flattered. Plus, my wife's butt.

Blogger Thordaddy July 04, 2015 2:28 PM  

Monomania? Lol... That's like calling Christ crazy... It's now in bad taste to utter the most unvarnished truth.

Blogger John Morris July 04, 2015 2:36 PM  

Allow me to project the trend line out a generation or so and raise your hand if you think ANY of it is unreasonable to assume based on past fact.

World War T will be brief and they win. Not a bold prediction, they have won every battle for a century. Multiple 'Marriages' soon follow, everything from 1M-nF to nM-nF; no limits.

After rolling up those victories the battle space will be prepped for what they really want. Sex with children. NAMBLA will go first because they are the logical choice. We will be told to STFU because we just can't understand the valuable benefits of mentorship a confused gay boy gets from a relationship with a gay man. They will throw the hater card and all dissent will be ruled out of bounds. Game over.

We already decided as a society that even female teachers having sex with teen boys isn't a serious problem; just look at the popular culture's snickering at each new story. So Cougars will get their prey legalized, the only question is whether it comes before or after the next one.

Once NAMBLA is official government policy we can't ignore the other poor 'confused' victims of homophobia, the girls wanting to come out as lesbians and 'learn' from women.

Finally, once everyone else is tasking sweet teen poon the dirty old men get their day and Roman Polanski can come home to the hereo's welcome he 'deserves'.

All these things will come to pass because the war is over, only brief holding actions are possible now because the big question is already settled. In a sane world we declared children couldn't consent to sex so the argument ended before it even started. But we have allowed popular culture to rewrite that for generations. All pop culture celebrates children having sex... so long as it is with other children.. for now. Game. Over.

Anonymous BGS July 04, 2015 3:18 PM  

Once NAMBLA is official government policy we

If that happens TJPTB will lose their blackmail power. John Roberts will be free to rule as he sees fit.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 3:22 PM  

John Morris: "But we have allowed popular culture to rewrite that for generations."

"Allowed" doesn't enter into it.

Anonymous GreyS July 04, 2015 3:32 PM  

It's much more than a "trial balloon". It is clear that this was a widespread, highly coordinated effort. Even ESPN has been told to give a "Courage Award" to Jenner. It's wild to see this many people playing along and playacting as if they believe "Cailtyn" is a woman instead of plainly calling it mental illness akin to anorexia. These same people will feign incredulity about mass movements throughout history which resulted in the deaths or oppression of certain groups of people.

People who dismissed these sort of coordinated efforts as goofy conspiracy theories should be thinking twice nowadays. I bet the people running this op crapped their pants when Jenner killed that lady in Malibu. They were probably scrambling hard but apparently worked it out as no chargers have been filed.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 3:49 PM  

Elijah Rhodes: "It is our inaction that allows the Left to prevail, not anything they do."

The left succeeds by genetic superiority. It prevails as naturally as the wolves prevail over the sheep. As long as all are in the same enclosure, whether it's a pen or a nation, the process is inexorable.

The hard core of the left is superior to whites in verbal intelligence, aggressiveness, mental intensity, and ethnocentricity. Superior ethnocentricity and aggression leads to the hard core of the left fighting with tireless zeal to advance fellow members of the genetically superior in-group, while punishing and preventing members of the out-group who try to play by the same rules.

Since collective strategies are dominant over individualist strategies in social competition, the victory of brilliantly talented predators and parasites over scattered cud-chewing innocents is certain.

The idea that in their characteristic suite of mental traits whites are world class is a dangerous illusion.

It is as if a five-footer imagined that because he practiced basketball a lot and grew up alongside equally short people who didn't, he was a world class talent. Then along come the real world class teams, equally hard-training and full of six-footers and seven-footers, and lo and behold: you're not the best at all. And if you insist on betting the house on your being the best, you will lose your house. And if you insist on betting the future of your children and the lives of your grandchildren on your being the best, your posterity is doomed.

When harm befalls us in competition with those who are fundamentally better than us it is not because we chose generously to "allow" it. We are not masters of the universe, able to dictate all outcomes by our own actions or inactions. We are just people in a lot of trouble.

We should realistically accept that, and try to secure our collective future.

This is doable, and the trick has been mastered by every buffalo herd that refuses to let lions mingle freely with the calves.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 3:53 PM  

"The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. They come to be accepted by degrees, by precedent, by implication, by erosion, by default, by dint of constant pressure on one side and constant retreat on the other—until the day when they are suddenly declared to be the country’s official ideology."

They come to be accepted because ferocious predators and parasites, ablaze with verbal genius and ethnic hostility, impose them on relatively individualistic, less aggressive, less passionate and less articulate victims. It is a biological and not a logical process.

Blogger Thordaddy July 04, 2015 3:56 PM  

Radical sexual autonomy --> Final Liberation...

No need for "us" to fill out the details and give the degenerates even more ideas.

Anonymous Wyrd July 04, 2015 3:57 PM  

'Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.'

G. K. Chesterton


Chesterton for the win.

It is constantly assured, especially in our Tolstoyan tendencies, that when the lion lies down with the lamb the lion becomes lamb-like. But that is brutal annexation and imperialism on the part of the lamb. That is simply the lamb absorbing the lion instead of the lion eating the lamb. The real problem is-Can the lion lie down with the lamb and still retain his royal ferocity? THAT is the problem the Church attempted; THAT is the miracle she achieved.
G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 4:05 PM  

Contrary to G.K. Chesterton, the lions are eating the lambs. And if the lambs don't wake up to the fact that there is no miracle, eventually there'll be no more lambs.

Anonymous Wyrd July 04, 2015 4:07 PM  

Contrary to G.K. Chesterton, the lions are eating the lambs. And if the lambs don't wake up to the fact that there is no miracle, eventually there'll be no more lambs.

Woosh! goes Chesterton's meaning over your head.

Anonymous T July 04, 2015 4:09 PM  

McWhite, the left is not superior in intelligence. They know much, but they also know many things that are not so.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Their downfall will be in large part due to their utter belief in post-scarcity, for example. You cannot take such an irrational position and have your plans ultimately succeed.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 4:21 PM  

T: "McWhite, the left is not superior in intelligence. They know much, but they also know many things that are not so."

They don't need to be better at everything. They are not better at the sort of thing that Norman Borlaug did. They are better at the sort of thing the geniuses of Soviet Communism did.

One kind of genius produces abundance, the other the Holdomor. When all are pooled together in the same society, the aggressive collectivists have a dominating advantage, receiving equally the benefits of increased production, but bestowing corruption, exploitation and destruction selectively on their out-groups.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 4:24 PM  

Wyrd: "Woosh! goes Chesterton's meaning over your head."

My point stands.

Anonymous GreyS July 04, 2015 4:29 PM  

One kind of genius produces...

Genius? Category error.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes July 04, 2015 4:31 PM  

@McWhite

Your writing reminds me of classic leftist exposition: Strings of smart sounding words that in totality say absolutely nothing.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 4:43 PM  

Elijah Rhodes: "Your writing reminds me of classic leftist exposition: Strings of smart sounding words that in totality say absolutely nothing."

I'm saying something, whether you get it or not.

And it's something that modern, politically correct leftists won't say. Biology rules.

The process Ayn Rand pointed to is a biological one, not a logical one. It makes no sense as pure logic, but it is brutally rational as conflict between groups with different averages as to evolved characteristics, including mental characteristics.

Anyone interested in long-term, collective survival needs to take account of that truth. The fantasy of this all being about arguments, excluding consideration of the average mental and ethnic characteristics of those pressing and being swayed by these arguments, just won't work. That's not how it was, that's not how it is, and that's not how it's going to be.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 4:46 PM  

GreyS: "Genius? Category error."

Then "talent," if you prefer. But superlative, awesome talent. Not a thing to take lightly.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 04, 2015 4:49 PM  

I'll give McWhite one thing the Poles thru absolute assholeness drove out those who were superior organizers and verbalizers and frankly those people when given support by the Stalinists were ruthless but the Poles still beat them. Hell the Poles still tried to extradite a 90 year old woman from Britain for her role in genocide, Poles are the honey badgers of Europe they just don't give a fuck.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami July 04, 2015 5:05 PM  

ICG: 1995: We don’t want marriage, just civil unions.
2005: Our marriage won’t affect your rights.
2014: Bake me a cake, or else.
2015: Your opinion against same sex marriage is illegal.


2020: "Where are the men that came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them."

Blogger Groot July 04, 2015 5:19 PM  

@Whitey,

The ascendance of assortative mating in the last hundred years spurred primarily by university acceptances is proving interesting. In the absence of ongoing technological advances, the biological consequences might be meaningful, with power-law distributions showing up rather than gaussian ones, and thus the oligarchic reordering we see throughout history. But those technological advances happen too fast for any biological ramifications to ever play out. Bow down to your robot overlords.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 04, 2015 5:20 PM  

Already a done deal in UFC mixed martial arts professional fighting. The test case was Fallon Fox, a mutilated man fighting as a woman.

Yes, this stuff has been going on for a while. In addition to mutilated men, there have been some athletes who might be natural gender-benders, and of course women loading up on male hormones have been a scandal for decades. In tennis, the girls who want to stay feminine gripe about the players who are full of T up to their eyeballs until they have a male athlete's build and body fat.

Or take Brittney Griner, a 6'8" WNBA player who identifies as a lesbian woman but who you'd assume was male if she cut her hair and didn't use makeup. She (I'll use the female pronoun because that's what she's always been as far as we know) and her girlfriend got a 7-game suspension for domestic violence; a few weeks later they announced the other one was pregnant; then they got gay-married; then one day later Griner filed for an annulment. All that in the space of a couple months. (Lesbian marriage is so much more gentle and peaceful than old-fashioned monogamy!) Griner wore a suit to the wedding and they talked about how there was never any question about which of them would carry the child. Griner also passed up a chance to play in the 2012 Olympics, which some think was because they do genetic testing and she was afraid it would say she was male.

In all these cases, there's some grumbling from their competitors, but no real complaint from women in general. I'm not sure that'll ever change. Women are titillated by deviancy when men don't rein them in, and they don't like anyone saying, "No, you're going too far. You can't do that." Most women don't want to play sports anyway, so I don't know that they'll ever care much whether women's leagues are full of women or men in drag. In fact, they might prefer to watch the latter.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW July 04, 2015 5:27 PM  

Police officer shoots suspicious white man who is running away in the back. It is later found out that the white man is an escapee. That is OK.

Police officer shoots black man he has just had a running fight with and who is running awy in the back. That is not OK.

I'm confused.

Anonymous Wyrd July 04, 2015 5:33 PM  

'm confused.

White people bad.

Black people good.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 04, 2015 5:38 PM  

How to defeat the word "tolerance?" I think we should tie it to the phrase "political correctness." I frankly will admit to the world I hate PC and its creepy enforcers and their passive - aggressive psychopathy, really hate that shit.

Damn if we only had a Reagan who would give a speech and tell the country to tear down the walls of PC think. A man can dream, or is that illegal?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 04, 2015 5:45 PM  

Wellll...there's tolerance, and there's tolerance.

Right. America was always an unusually tolerant nation. But that was tolerance in the sense of, "What you're doing there isn't good, but we'll let it pass as long as you're not obnoxious about it." A certain amount of that kind of tolerance (and hypocrisy) helps imperfect humans to live together without constantly stoning each other.

The other tolerance is what Plato meant when he said democracy eventually makes an idol of tolerance -- when tolerance becomes not a necessary evil but a virtue in itself, and "more tolerant than thou" becomes a point of pride. That's where we are now, where people say, "You're being intolerant," in the same way that previous generations might have said, "You're being unfaithful," or, "You're being unpatriotic." When tolerance is an idol to be worshiped, then the more tolerant you claim to be the better, and the most tolerant people in this sense become society's moral guardians.

The fact that they aren't actually tolerant at all is just the punch line.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 5:45 PM  

A confident Christianity in combination with culturally harmonious states could put an end to sexual mutilation for athletic advantage.

This is how the castrati came to an end. France forbade the practice, then newly-unified Italy, then Pope Leo XIII banned the hiring of new castrati by the Church, and that was pretty much that. We no longer read of ridiculous numbers of farm accidents innocently / legally turning healthy boys into potentially lucrative singing machines. (Or more often not panning out, and living the hell of having been castrated by their greedy fathers in return for nothing.) This, no question, was a good thing, and it was a distinctively Christian good thing, done by Christians for specifically Christian reasons.

How you get that confident Christianity in combination with culturally harmonious states now I have no idea. But I don't see another solution on the horizon.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami July 04, 2015 5:56 PM  

Mr.MantraMan: How to defeat the word "tolerance?" I think we should tie it to the phrase "political correctness."

It takes two seconds to defeat "tolerance". The Tolerant do not tolerate your intolerance; hence, they are intolerant hypocrites.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 6:01 PM  

By the way, the end of the castrati is a good example of compassionate intolerance, or the kind of institutional Christian tough love that would be of great service to society, and especially vulnerable boys, in the 21st Century.

Part of what kept the horrible system of the castrati going was a bogus appeal to compassion. After all, these poor boys had (accidentally! innocently!) lost their wedding tackle already; could anyone, especially could the Church, be so heartless as to prevent them from earning a good living in the only way that was realistically still open to them? The "compassionate" answer was to continue to hire castrati, which in effect meant supporting the market in castrated boys. The right answer was to be hard, to be unbending, to uphold Christian principle, and at whatever cost to individuals, to kill the market in castrated sweet-singing boys.

Pope Francis, and Christian national leaders, could not do better than to follow Leo XIII's example: be tough, don't back down, and at whatever cost to individuals, kill the "trans market" and thereby stop irresponsible adults sexually mutilating boys and other victims of artificially / socially induced insanity.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 04, 2015 6:24 PM  

It takes two seconds to defeat "tolerance". The Tolerant do not tolerate your intolerance; hence, they are intolerant hypocrites.

You're being logical, which will have no effect on most people. Everyone knows what is to be tolerated, and what the tolerant must be intolerant of in service of Tolerance. You have to be intolerant of the beliefs of the pastor who doesn't want to marry two men, in order to be tolerant of the two men. That seems obvious to them, because it's based on who/whom.

Pointing out that the emperor has no clothes only works with those who can't actually see the clothes.

Blogger The Requital July 04, 2015 6:33 PM  

Once is probability, twice is suspicious but generationally is enemy action. Churches have been naming the enemy for milleniums: Lucifer.

Blogger The Requital July 04, 2015 6:48 PM  

Once is probability, twice is suspicious but generationally is enemy action. Churches have been naming the enemy for milleniums: Lucifer.

Blogger The Requital July 04, 2015 6:48 PM  

Once is probability, twice is suspicious but generationally is enemy action. Churches have been naming the enemy for milleniums: Lucifer.

Blogger Groot July 04, 2015 7:02 PM  

What about three times?

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 04, 2015 7:08 PM  

Say it thrice, TR!

As for you, BGS, you get the Thread Award for the "dump truck of Doritos" remark. Oh, wait. That was another thread....

Anonymous jdgalt July 04, 2015 7:18 PM  

I am not a lefty, but I see no point in "not tolerating" transgender people. They do no harm per se, unless one believes that there's a God and he doesn't like them; in which case, why not let him do his own job?

More broadly, I see this particular type of tolerance as important in fandom because it is just the first installment of a coming general ability to have one's body modified in just about any way imaginable -- aka transhumanism. And I don't think it's in the spirit of fandom to be against the freedom to do that to oneself, so long as it doesn't impose burdens on other people.

If you have an articulable reason for this position, I'd like to hear it. I think we all would.

Blogger Groot July 04, 2015 7:25 PM  

I myself, as a tree, comport to the hermaphroditic floor plan, but I identify as male, being 7 feet tall, and having a deep speaking voice. Plus, I can sprout a tremendous woody.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami July 04, 2015 7:26 PM  

You're being logical, which will have no effect on most people.

I know, but that's the limit I'm willing to go, in arguing with them. Substituting the word "tolerance" with "PC" or any other buzzword will not magically open their ears to reason. If words mean nothing, and if words and reason no longer define the rule of law, this is going to be settled by Newton's Laws.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami July 04, 2015 7:33 PM  

I am not a lefty, but I see no point in "not tolerating" transgender people. They do no harm per se, unless one believes that there's a God and he doesn't like them; in which case, why not let him do his own job?


Nobody is kicking down doors, looking for trannies to persecute. They are being shoved in our face and down our throat, for the sole sake of shoving it in our face and down our throat. They don't care whether 2+2 equals 4 or 5; they just want to hear you say "Five". They want to break you, and everything you ever believed in.

Anonymous Ken July 04, 2015 7:37 PM  

Remember when the "Moral Majority" was a force to be reckoned with regarding political matters? I do. Seems like another lifetime ago, and I'm only a mere 35 years old. Politics is downstream from culture -waaaay downstream- and absolutely nothing will change until the good, that is to say- the Godly, is not only defended, but pushed. "Tolerance" is just another trick designed to make you keep your mouth shut and actions limited.

We're in a spiritual battle with that crooked smiling and winking one who proclaims that his title is "God of this World". You can't vote him out. He may not be of this world, but he has gained a lot of control in this country of late via his initial powers of influence and guidance, which, unchecked, moves into force and then ultimately control.

We are at the stage in our nation's history where the one who flies to and fro has now been granted the powers of force.

Buckle up, we've got a long way to go.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 04, 2015 7:43 PM  

@jdgalt: ...so long as it doesn't impose burdens on other people.

That's the problem, JD: It's not about "tolerance" anymore. SJW's now demand that "you will celebrate, support, serve, and approve of" whatever you were formerly willing to tolerate (e.g. the two Oregon bakers just fined $135,000 for failing to celebrate and serve two lesbians).

Well fuck that shit.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 7:53 PM  

There is at present a growing, state-subsidized (meaning taxpayer-funded) market in deceiving people (through mass media and false education), making them crazy, encouraging them to ask to have their genitals mutilated, and then mutilating them and otherwise distorting them against nature, with the result that they often commit suicide.

This is an evil economic process. It ought to be suppressed, just as the market in castrated boys was suppressed by Pope Leo XIII.

There is also a larger picture which I am forbidden to discuss and so cannot argue, but it comes down to: actions consistent with suppressing births within a group, which is part of the definition of genocide. (This refers not only to the possible fertility of the transsexuals but to the damage to pro-natal and pro-family values in the wider culture.) This in turn is part of a ethnic war carried on by cultural means. For leaders of the targeted group (such as legislators) to cooperate with such imposed cultural changes (contrary to the needs of family culture and high-investment parenting) is treachery and thus deeply immoral.

Finally, the whole revision of the motion of sex-and-gender from "sex" (which refers to a biological fact and the path of truth) to "gender" (falsely making the sexes into an arbitrary social construction) is a lie and a declaration of war against nature. This is bad in at least one way, and possibly two or three. It's an indication that great harm will come from the movement that promotes this. (It's hard to study the history of the Society Union without getting the feeling that much of the violence of the system was occasioned by a war to impose lies by force over and against nature.) It's reprehensible just as Lamarckian biology was reprehensible. (This is a philosophical argument, about truth for its own sake, which some will value and some will not.) And depending on how you see the gods or God and nature, this war against nature may also be impious and repugnant in a religious sense.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 04, 2015 8:10 PM  

Jdgalt, I'm not sure what "fandom" you're talking about or why I should care about its opinion, so I won't. Incidentally, I can just hear John Galt applying A=A to Bruce Jenner.

Jenner's sexual dysfunction was none of my business, and I would have been quite happy to tolerate it -- or better, remain ignorant of it. It became my business when he started showing up in women's lingerie on my computer monitor and in the grocery checkout lines, being used to promote societal destruction. The end-game is the complete abolition of masculine and feminine, including little things like letting grown men hang out in women's restrooms where little girls go. When Jenner became the spokesman for that, his issues became everyone's business.

I knew a male-to-female transsexual several years ago. I was friendly and polite to him whenever we met, but made no attempt to socialize with him. The SJWs he met made him their mascot, loving and lauding him until they discovered he was an insane narcissist, at which point they cast him out with extreme prejudice. Who was the "tolerant" one there?

When I was growing up in a fairly conservative (sexually, at least) rural area, there were at least two gay "couples" in the neighborhood, one homosexual and one lesbian. I know that now; I didn't know it then, of course. As kids, we thought they were brothers/sisters or something. They didn't flaunt it, so people left them alone and didn't talk about it. They weren't ostracized, though; one of the couples sold eggs in the area and people generally spoke of them positively.

That's not to say no one ever gave them a disapproving look when they went out in public, or that high school students who caught on never TPed their house. I'm sure it wasn't all roses, and things like that probably happened. But considering that in much of human history, and in many parts of the world today, they'd either be prevented from living that way or killed for it, I'd say they were tolerated quite well.

But that historically high level of toleration wasn't enough for the SJWs. Now we have to celebrate every perversion and give it the imprimatur of the state. Next the SJWs will demand that we elevate this twisting of natural law to the level of a sacrament. Don't insult us by saying that's not coming; they're already talking about it.

We were tolerant, but tolerance isn't on the table anymore. We didn't remove it; they did.

Anonymous jdgalt July 04, 2015 8:28 PM  

@VFM bot: I agree with you that forced participation (as in the Oregon bakers case) is way beyond the pale. And in fact I expect that fine to be overturned on first amendment grounds. The law can't demand speech, and art is speech.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 8:31 PM  

jdgalt: "And I don't think it's in the spirit of fandom to be against the freedom to do that to oneself, so long as it doesn't impose burdens on other people."

Culture is part of identity. It's a valuable thing. People want not just individual goods but goods that can only be pursued by on-going collectives such as nations -- goods such as the long-term perpetuation of families and dynasties. Life sheared of any real prospect of living for one's posterity is impoverished. For a start, classical thinking and art require continuity and a long term view. (As well as development and innovation of course.)

There's a difference between belonging to a culture that has a vast scope for individualism and eccentricity, as for example English culture has, and ripping up the foundations of the culture, leaving it broken and ripe to be replaced by something like ISIL-style Islam, or anything else that, however evil, has at least remained definite.

A swingeing disregard for the needs and constraints of one's culture is not freedom; it is cultural treachery and self-destruction.

I don't think "the spirit of fandom" requires cultural debasement, the loss of important aesthetic possibilities such as classicism, and collective self-destruction. If it does, "the spirit of fandom" can go jump in a lake.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 04, 2015 8:37 PM  

And in fact I expect that fine to be overturned on first amendment grounds.

Gosh, that's comforting. And if it's not?

It's great living in a country where the courts may change the laws willy-nilly from day to day; and instead of the citizens debating the issues and legislating through our legislators in the legislature, we get to hope and guess what some judges will feel like tomorrow. Maybe Vegas could start taking bets on their court rulings, to give us a way to pass these few remaining years of Western civilization.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 04, 2015 8:41 PM  

Cail Corishev: "Gosh, that's comforting. And if it's not?"

:D

Anonymous BGS July 04, 2015 8:59 PM  

The suicide rate for post op trannies is sky high. That's when they realize cutting off their willey & taking hormones isn't enough to make them happy. They also figure out that people lied to them about str8 guys falling in love with them and not caring about biology. Of course leftists say its discrimination that makes them do it not finally achieving what they set out to be. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 04, 2015 11:05 PM  

Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
You missed the point BGS. It isn't that sex reassignment doesn't work. What's needed is simply more psychiatric care, more intensive intervention from big government, improved education. You see. One just needs to spend more, medicate more, educate more. It's the magic of science.

these bastards would sell sugar coated cyanide to children at a carnival.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 04, 2015 11:08 PM  

mind numbingly unbelievable. It alleviates gender dysphoria but the patients kill themselves for lack of psychiatric care.

We cured the patient but unfortunately they are pulseless.

Anonymous rubberducky July 04, 2015 11:41 PM  

A lot of ink was spilled on Bruce Jenner, and I read a lot of the news reporting on his transition and the magazine spread, etc. I was looking for those reporting it who averred from using the female, "she" or "her" words on him. There weren't any.

They did report in some places that some members of Jenner's family, including at least one of his children, won't use those words reserved for women on him. These family members were described as problematic in this, who need some time to adjust to the new reality.

But all the reporters and news commenters, all of our public filters, presented a united front demonstrating what I suppose is the approved and authorized way that he's to be spoken of. I was prepared from the start to never use the feminine pronouns on him, and haven't. The subject of Bruce did come up quite a bit with my relatives, friends and co-workers, many of whom are SJWs. I never gave in to calling him a her, but I never got called on it. No attempt was made by my betters to correct me.

This surprised me. But then no public example has been made for someone who's operating like this. As the transgender thing continues sooner or later we'll hit upon somebody who's not going to play ball and will be made an example of. And when that happens and the example is out, then the SJWs will be alerted to call me on it.

So I suppose it's coming. Decide now if you'll give in and go along, or, if not, what you're going to say when you're called out. I'm going to say that I have no obligation to participate in somebody else's fantasy. Simply, no thanks on that. And I have no obligation, nor any desire, nor any real ability, to keep track of everybody's disparate preferred personal pronouns. Not going there. I decline.

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 05, 2015 3:08 AM  

George (of the Jungle),

That is the big question. on the one hand, we live in a world of increasing entropy. Everything good must not only be maintained but constantly rebuilt. Failure to do this guarantees eventual failure of the thing itself. The truth is that SJWs are lazy as well as evil. They have chosen the path of least resistance, the way of cowards, quite deliberately.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 05, 2015 4:46 AM  

rubberducky is right, but on "gender instead sex" it's already compulsory.

It's there in the academic style guides, and it's an ideological lie designed to force a false affirmation that the sex roles and even the sexes themselves are a social construct and not a biological fact.

If you use "gender," which is wrong, you are marked correct. If you insist on using "sex," which is true, you are marked wrong. If you keep insisting, you can fail your way out of academia.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 05, 2015 5:45 AM  

PhillipGeorge©2015: "What's needed is simply more psychiatric care, more intensive intervention from big government, improved education. You see. One just needs to spend more, medicate more, educate more."

In sum: grow the market.

PhillipGeorge©2015: "these bastards would sell sugar coated cyanide to children at a carnival."

Yes.

Blogger Thordaddy July 05, 2015 6:37 AM  

The better way to "see" tolerance plus nondiscrimination is an all-accepting indiscriminancy... This is the PACT amongst the radical liberationists. And when two like-minded liberationists have a conflict of interest, may the most radical win.

When does the dread ilk recognize itself for the neutral moderator it tries to be?

Blogger Thordaddy July 05, 2015 6:45 AM  

"And it's something that modern, politically correct leftists won't say. Biology rules." --- Whitey McWhite


On the contrary... The finest biological specimens are motivated and moved by God-ordained free will. The primitives are "ruled" by biology. But even there, the "rule" is merely an insatiable appetite for gluttonous stimulation.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 05, 2015 7:10 AM  

Thordaddy: "This is the PACT amongst the radical liberationists. And when two like-minded liberationists have a conflict of interest, may the most radical win."

That is like stripping the cell wall from a one-celled organism.

Nobody can make such a pact in good faith. The side that keeps the deal dies; the side that breaks it lives.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 05, 2015 8:08 AM  

Thordaddy: "On the contrary... The finest biological specimens are motivated and moved by God-ordained free will. The primitives are "ruled" by biology. But even there, the "rule" is merely an insatiable appetite for gluttonous stimulation."

It's god-ordained nature. And all the "God-ordained free will" in the world won't make you tall enough, tough enough, strong enough, fast enough or smart enough if you don't have the genetics for it.

If you're not mean enough to expect randomly-selected special-needs kids to out-compete grandmasters at chess, you should also be reluctant to bet the future of your race and civilization on white people of ordinary ability out-arguing well-bred experts in arguing people down. It's not going to work, and the consequences of the predetermined failure will be catastrophic.

Day-in, day-out, toy terriers are not going to win pit fights from pit bulls; neither are random selections of Joe Average nice guys (or even Norman Borlaugs) going to out-argue teams of intense, aggressive social predators and parasites with vastly superior verbal intelligence. That's just not going to happen, no matter who is right.

Blogger Thordaddy July 05, 2015 4:18 PM  

Whitey McWhite...

Yes... Final Liberation is self-annihilating. Most all the murder and mayhem is amongst the predator and parasites THEMSELVES.

I say the "finest biological specimens" are motivated and moved by God-ordained free will and you simply TELL ME how the "predators and parasites" rule the roost.

There is no conflict in our understandings...

And since I don't desire to be a parasite nor live day in and day out as predator, I found a "happy medium" where genuine free will is the only true metric. That's biology rules.

PS Last comment on this thread per my unrestricted restricted status.

Anonymous Jim Milo July 06, 2015 11:13 PM  

Groot: you're woodsexual.

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