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Saturday, July 18, 2015

Beware the grasshoppers

Something every ant needs to keep in mind is defending one's family against the short-sighted. Peter Grant cites lessons from Hurricane Katrina:
Warn your friends not to bring others with them!!! I had told two friends to bring themselves and their families to my home. They, unknown to me, told half-a-dozen other families to come too - "He's a good guy, I'm sure he won't mind!" Well, I did mind . . . but since the circumstances weren't personally dangerous, I allowed them all to hang around. However, if things had been worse, I would have been very nasty indeed to their friends (and even nastier to them, for inviting others without clearing it with me first!). If you offer a place of refuge for your friends, make sure they know that this applies to them ONLY, not their other friends. Similarly, if you have someone willing to offer you refuge, don't presume on his/her hospitality by arriving with others unforewarned....

People who were prepared were frequently mobbed/threatened by those who weren't. This was reported in at least seven incidents, five in Mississippi, two in Louisiana (I suspect that the relative lack of Louisiana incidents was because most of those with any sense got out of Dodge before the storm hit). In each case, the person/family concerned had made preparations for disaster, with supplies, shelter, etc. in good order and ready to go. Several had generators ready and waiting. However, their neighbors who had not prepared all came running after the disaster, wanting food, water and shelter from them. When the prepared families refused, on the grounds that they had very little, and that only enough for themselves, there were many incidents of aggression, attempted assault, and theft of their supplies. Some had to use weapons to deter attack, and in some cases, shots were fired. I understand that in two incidents, attackers and/or would-be thieves were shot. It's also reported that in all of these cases, the prepared families now face threats of retribution from their neighbors, who regarded their refusal to share as an act of selfishness and/or aggression, and are now threatening retaliation. It's reportedly so bad that most of the prepared families are considering moving to other neighborhoods, so as to start afresh, with different neighbors.

Similar incidents are reported by families who got out in time, prepared to spend several days on their own. When they stopped to eat a picnic meal at a rest stop, or an isolated spot along the highway, they report being approached rather aggressively by others wanting food, or fuel, or other essentials. Sometimes they had to be rather aggressive in their turn to deter these insistent requests. Two families report attempts being made to steal their belongings (in one case, their vehicle) while overnighting in camp stops on their way out of the area. They both instituted armed patrols, with one or more family members patrolling while the others slept, to prevent this. Seems to me to be a good argument to form a "bug-out team" with like-minded, security-conscious friends in your area, so that all concerned can provide mutual security and back-up.
 It's a very good idea to not only be prepared, but make connections with others who are doing the same in order to prevent oneself from being overrun by those who didn't see the need before it was too late.

Seriously, though, how unbelievably obnoxious is it to invite others to a place of refuge that you have not prepared? It also strikes me as a very good way of getting your friends shot. Anyhow, in addition to your various other preparations, it might be handy to keep a pair of skulls on hand to nail up as a warning to grasshoppers that trespassers will be summarily dealt with.

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Blogger Salt July 18, 2015 11:52 AM  

Warn your friends not to bring others with them!!!

Friends have had conversations with me. Another boat rafting in an anchorage, but if they are not prepared... sorry. Move along.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 18, 2015 11:53 AM  

how obnoxious is it to invite others to a place of refuge that you have not prepared?

I haven't made any preparations whatsoever for disasters.  That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Blogger Thucydides July 18, 2015 12:01 PM  

Good point. Don't make overt preparations that people can see, and when you plan your bug out route, stick to secondary roads if at all possible. You are les likely to be set upon by the unprepared (since they also won't have maps or any idea of how to reach safe havens that are not along the major highways.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) July 18, 2015 12:03 PM  

"stick to secondary roads if at all possible. "

Always a good idea to spend a lazy Sunday afternoon exploring odd roads out of the city.

Anonymous Joe July 18, 2015 12:04 PM  

If the family is the basic survival unit in a dangerous world, the tribe is the basic survival unit in a predatory world.

In an American Preppers episode, a prepper showed how she pushed and taught her neighbors to prep in an effort to make her surrounding community resilient in case of a survival situation. The prepper was fat, which implied she would not do well for the road in a "bug out". I thought it was good forethought that would allow her to hunker down in her prepped home, prevent neighbor predation, and position her community to switch to tribe mode to protect against marauders, too.

Anonymous carpeoro #105 July 18, 2015 12:05 PM  

Think I'll reread Lucifer's Hammer. Good description of these types of scenarios.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 July 18, 2015 12:11 PM  

Not only should you warn them not to bring others, include a caveat that if they do, they themselves will be turned away.

Anonymous carpeoro #105 July 18, 2015 12:13 PM  

Ot: at hospital with my mother for the 6th day before driving 5 hours to get home. Praer welcome.

Blogger Josh July 18, 2015 12:14 PM  

The prepper was fat, which implied she would not do well for the road in a "bug out".

Nah man, that's like having your own energy source.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence July 18, 2015 12:17 PM  

There was a very good Twilight Zone episode based on just this scenario.

Difster, turning away larger numbers that covet your supplies, even ostensible friends, is probably going to need to be backed by firearms and the intent to use them.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 18, 2015 12:23 PM  

OT: I just realized that The Body Snatchers is a perfect artistic representation of the SJWs and their takeover of institutions.

Blogger Chiva July 18, 2015 12:24 PM  

@carpeoro. Prayers for your mother and a safe journey.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 18, 2015 12:26 PM  

Of course, the truly prepared may wish to only have pisters of "all socialists welcome" on the human sized entrance to the sarlack pit.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 18, 2015 12:29 PM  

Posters. Dammit.

Anonymous Tar Heel (VFM#0245) July 18, 2015 12:33 PM  

I've done some emergency preparation work, and talk like this still makes me uneasy. I will glady admit that networking is the huge hole in my plan. I could claim that preppers (and there is a focal point in my part of this state) are just a solitary lot by nature, but the truth is probably my low social-sexual rank being a factor. This is a good post, though. Thank you, Vox.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 18, 2015 12:34 PM  

Not only should you warn them not to bring others, include a caveat that if they do, they themselves will be turned away.

That could culturally difficult, depending on the friends you invited.

Bottom line be careful who you invite at all.

In that situation, if they aren't family they aren't anybody.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo #0368 July 18, 2015 12:36 PM  

I was actually just reading this article the other day on his website, thinking about future implications.

Blogger Jourdan July 18, 2015 12:37 PM  

This is exactly why I signed a contract with Vault-Tec.

Anonymous Tar Heel (VFM#0245) July 18, 2015 12:49 PM  

8. Ot: at hospital with my mother for the 6th day before driving 5 hours to get home. Praer welcome.

It's yours. May she recover and dance in God's light and goodness.

15. In that situation, if they aren't family they aren't anybody.

Modern life (I almost want to spit thinking of it) has tried to draw that out of us. My grandparents and on back were clannish, dirt poor Appalachians, and for all the good and bad that entails, they didn't forget. I never will.

Anonymous zen0 July 18, 2015 12:51 PM  

@ 10. IndecisiveEvidence

>There was a very good Twilight Zone episode based on just this scenario.


This was all thought out in the nuke war fear time. That is why I always told people I hoped I would be at ground zero for the big one.

Blogger DaveofSpades July 18, 2015 1:00 PM  

I've been telling my friends to get prepared for 8 years. No one listened at first. A handful have now. Too many say things like "I'll just go to Spades'". I have told them not if all they contribute is their presence.

Blogger pdwalker July 18, 2015 1:01 PM  

Never invite grasshoppers in the door, not unless they have something of real value to you.

Never share your preparation plans with anyone you are not prepared to bring into your family and be responsible for.

You have to decide what's more important, your safety of your family, or that of some parasite.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 18, 2015 1:01 PM  

I've been slacking on prepping for years, but I think I'm about to turn a few corners on that front. Luckily, I have at least two families' homes I can hike to in a day or so (if need be) where I'm nearly 100% sure I can be put up. Far enough out of the city that I can volunteer for nighttime watch duty and contribute something.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 18, 2015 1:07 PM  

This is just a tiny intimation of how ghastly and ugly life will become when the SHTF. If the majority now consists of aggressive parasites, it won't take long at all to strip away civilization.

I'm not sure there's really any way to truly prepare for it mentally. Read a book about life in Bosnia and Herzegovina as Yugoslavia broke up. One writer who lived through it described the behavior as "disgusting".

Blogger YIH July 18, 2015 1:21 PM  

I recommend reading the whole linked post and not just Vox's excerpt. Because sooner or later it's going to be much worse situation than Katrina, in the sense that the worst of it won't be over in 3-7 days.
Also expect the 'government' response to be inept and chaotic as it was with Katrina.
Some general advice:
Don't think ''Oh, I'll just hunt for game'', because no, you won't. Fishing probably, but hunting, no. There is no wilderness anymore, and opening fire, even if it's at Bambi, is going to quickly draw a lot of dangerous attention to you. Crips, Bloods, MS-13 or Badge Gang doesn't really matter. Plan your food supplies/stocks and ways to acquire them accordingly. Also, hunting (with firearms) squanders ammo.
Also for your food stocks think canned goods. I know, processed, not tasty, ect. But they give you the best 'bang for your buck' compared to the exotic and pricey stuff the 'prepper' catalogs and websites sell.

Anonymous Siobhan July 18, 2015 1:24 PM  

I live in San Francisco, where a certain amount of disaster preparedness is socially acceptable and even expected (earthquake country, so you're seen as responsible rather than a wacko if you have prepared for loss of power, water, gas, stores, etc.) But I wonder to what extent it's reasonable or even possible to try to prepare for societal upheaval, living here. We're stuck on the end of a peninsula, and the outlying (difficult to get to) areas are still too expensive to buy any kind of backup property to serve as refuge... Is it hopeless for San Franciscans?

Blogger bob k. mando July 18, 2015 1:28 PM  

24. YIH July 18, 2015 1:21 PM
Don't think ''Oh, I'll just hunt for game'', because no, you won't. ... There is no wilderness anymore, and opening fire,



neither bow hunting nor traps present this problem.

also, it's pretty hard to tell where a shooter is operating from if only one or two shots are fired ( see the DC Sniper case ). in a wooded area, you will alert people in the general area but are not that likely to lead them directly too you ( so long as you maintain fire discipline ) unless there is a large group searching or they stay there for a while.

Blogger Jourdan July 18, 2015 1:33 PM  

@Siobhan - I was living in the Mission, at 24th and Capp, during the 1989 Loma Prieta quake, had just sat down to watch the first pitch of game three of the Giants-A's World Series when it hit. At first I thought "I'm from LA, this is no big deal" and then it just got stronger and stronger and then, wow.

The entire street met on the street and we all brought and salvaged what we had. Camping stoves, food, candles, blankets, pillows, transistor radios. It was overcast as usual and to the north the entire sky glowed fire orange. The early reports over-stated the damage, but at the time it was entirely reasonable to believe that the entire Marina was in flames, the Bay Bridge collapsed and we were looking at days before relief would arrive.

I'm happy to say that in our neighborhood--which at that time was 70% latino, 30% white--we got organized on the fly and everything worked pretty well. I'm not saying that necessarily would be the case if it happened again, but for us it worked well: we counted what we had, enforced rations, established patrols (with bb bats), chased outsiders away, scolded over-eaters and moochers.

One thing that helped what the the local parish priest was an Irishman (that is, actually Irish, not Irish-American) and while he was away at the time, almost everyone assumed that I was him, something I didn't dissuade the Mexicans and Salvadoreans from believing, so they accepted my authority.

A kind of quasi-committee sprung up rather naturally, of about the 6-7 leading men, and people very willingly took orders.

So, nope, not hopeless for The City. Just, as you say, you need more prepared there than if you lived in, say, Sacto.

Blogger bob k. mando July 18, 2015 1:45 PM  

25. Siobhan July 18, 2015 1:24 PM
Is it hopeless for San Franciscans?


if you don't have a boat in a local marina? yeah, prolly.

unless you can somehow stockpile enough foodstuffs AND THE WEAPONS to defend them that you can wait out the exodus from the city.


but you're the one who lives there, you *should* know better than we.

i don't know about the feasibility of trying to scoot down the Cabrillo hwy until you reached a rural area before trying to head east, but that looks like the only even remote shot you'd have a driving out in a crisis.

the real pinch point looks like San Jose-Santa Cruz and the mountains between them. if you can't find a back road / trail through there, i doubt you'd make it against the crush.

if it's any consolation, i doubt Los Angelenos will have it much better. they've got mountains all around them forming choke points ... and nothing but desert beyond. they're going to slam those highways full, drink every drop of fuel out of the gas stations, get out into the desert ... and have no water.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 18, 2015 1:49 PM  

The things about Katrina that stick out in my mind is that 1/3 of NO cops abandoned their posts, the only black cops seen on TV where looting a wall mart, groids shooting at medevac helicopters, but the medical staff that stayed in hospitals lacking power/water/air conditioning got sued for not evacuating a 600+ pound black guy that needed an electrically powered machine to breath. The dam leeches even went after the nurses who could have simply not shown up with no consequences, even after pointing out there was no safe way to transport him without power & that triage means you save 600 pounds of babies/kids first.

Nothing exemplifies a liberal more than Amy Goodman of Democracy Now shooting video in N.O. of a dead body on the street for several days where she keeps asking white people driving by why they are not doing anything about it, when the people she asks are obviously there to help the living. She did several days of video of the dead body but didn't bother to contact the coroner. If it was a white neighborhood someone living there would have bothered to get a message to the coroner.

it might be handy to keep a pair of skulls on hand to nail up as a warning to grasshoppers

They make glow in the dark spray paint that glows after exposure to the sun.

. Crips, Bloods, MS-13 or

Gang bangers will not leave their territory until they have consumed some bad food/water.

Also for your food stocks think canned goods.

If you don't have anything some 5 gallon buckets of rice and beans along with a way to cook it would be a good start. You can order them nitrogen packed, or make your own with dry ice to drive out the oxygen. Sun ovens and rocket stoves require little fuel.

Is it hopeless for San Franciscans?

Yes. That being said if you plan to live there you might consider a folding 2 man ocean going kyak with sails and mini outriggers as a bug out vehicle, for each adult member of your household. You can get solar cells that float and have a desalinater.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 18, 2015 1:51 PM  

I recommend reading the whole linked post and not just Vox's excerpt.

Seconded.

Anonymous Siobhan July 18, 2015 2:25 PM  

Thank you for the interesting thoughts. I'm not incredibly worried about earthquakes, actually - we trained with the SFFD as part of our neighborhood emergency response team, we have lots of storage space so we have plenty of food/water/power/warmth stockpiled. We camp a lot, so have all that kit. We're uphill, which means not much foot traffic past us. I worry more about situations of unrest. Rampaging in the streets, troops called in, curfews, not safe to take the child to school, riots, etc. They don't teach you how to handle that sort of thing at the fire department training :\

Blogger JAY WILL July 18, 2015 2:26 PM  

Once life goes back to musical chairs psychology then brute force, calculated or otherwise, is the order of the day. All the "nice" people get eaten alive.

Anonymous The other robot July 18, 2015 2:40 PM  

And, beware Muslim students with visas.

Anonymous The other robot July 18, 2015 2:42 PM  

I worry more about situations of unrest. Rampaging in the streets, troops called in, curfews, not safe to take the child to school, riots, etc. They don't teach you how to handle that sort of thing at the fire department training :\

Cities are a bad place when the diverse start to riot and kill people because the food stamps have stopped coming and the stores have nothing left.

Blogger YIH July 18, 2015 2:44 PM  

VFM bot #188:
The reason I said that is the scenario I suspect is coming won't be regionalized like Katrina or the World Series quake. It'll be much wider scale, though it won't have the focused destruction of those two events.
Remember the EBT 'glitch' of a two years ago (which BTW, I think was a genuine breakdown) and the NYSE 'glitch' recently (which I think was a planned cutoff spun as a 'glitch')?
Just picture ''electronic money'' failing over a large (20+ states) area or national. And it doesn't come back within hours.
Someone mentioned ''Yugoslavia'' above, another good site to check out is SHTF School, quite a bit of good info from someone who survived that nightmare - first hand.

Anonymous BGS July 18, 2015 2:59 PM  

I worry more about situations of unrest. Rampaging in the streets, troops called in, curfews, not safe to take the child to school, riots,

The best solution is to not be there. Black on white crime is often called wrong place wrong time, but there is never a right time to be in the wrong place. If you are staying it would be worth it to jump through hoops and pay bribes to legally own a selection of firearms. Think about upgrading your house at least the doorframes & entryways. Brick or insulated concrete form construction can stop bullets but stick built can't. A brick home with a metal roof will be harder to catch on fire and the metal roof can give better water for rain collection.

Look at the videos on WHITE GIRL BLEED A LOT and realize that's with the food stamp system working. Shirley you are aware of how close Oakland is and San Fran's large homeless population. When people say about tranny biker cannibal raping gangs forming after the SHTF they are not joking and the first places they will form is San Fran. Even before the SF cops had the attitude that it was not worth investigating any crime short of murder when both criminal and victim are protected classes(black/Hispanic attacking gay/Asian), because they will get crap from both sides, it will only be a matter of time before they are like Rotherham UK where they will not do anything to help underage white girls getting raped by 3rd world moslems because they are afraid of being called racist. If you know any cops ask how much pressure there is to obfuscate crime numbers.

You could join the urban prepper community on facebook and let all your facebook friends know to go to your place.

https://www.facebook.com/GotPreps
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheUrbanPrepper

Anonymous The other robot July 18, 2015 3:04 PM  

Indiana preparing for some diverse violence ...

Anonymous BGS July 18, 2015 3:35 PM  

Indiana preparing for some diverse violence ...

“We want to pray before Black Expo hoping that everyone is safe,” said Nicole Magee, One Shot Survivors Founder. “Everyone go home the way that they came.”

Its racist for Indiana to prepare security for a black expo after all Al Sharptongue sued beach communities that had businesses board up their stores during black events.

Anonymous clk July 18, 2015 4:00 PM  

One of the benefits of faith is that I know that life is not a last stand .. but a transition to a better place. In the end times --- which of these would Christ be doing -- helping those in need of help or killing those in need of help ?

There has always been a contradiction in my mind between me the survivalist and me the Christian and I not sure where I will end up with this one --- and to be honest, I hope/pray never to be tested as I am not sure I will pass that test and follow Christ's example... and I hope that God forgives me the outcome that is likely to occur when faced with choosing between my family and others.

Blogger VD July 18, 2015 4:17 PM  

In the end times --- which of these would Christ be doing -- helping those in need of help or killing those in need of help ?

He'd be killing them. Why do you think he told his disciples to carry swords? You also might want to read a little more about how he's coming back.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 18, 2015 4:38 PM  

Family, buy isolated property near/with family and prepare.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 18, 2015 4:41 PM  

Oh, and I second Lucifer's Hammer.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 18, 2015 4:42 PM  

Vox - What is Europe like? Can you prepare like in the US? Are there isolated places etc?

Anonymous Big Bill July 18, 2015 5:04 PM  

"Seriously, though, how unbelievably obnoxious is it to invite others to a place of refuge that you have not prepared?"

That is our Western immigration and refugee policy in a nutshell.

Whether it is Jews coming here before/after WWII, or Haitians escaping a hurricane, or Hutus/Tutsis escaping Tutsis/Hutus, or Mexicans escaping Mexicans, they all feel obliged to open America's borders (and wallets) for everyone else.

"If America helped me, the least I can do in repayment of my moral debt is get America to help them, too."

In some weird way, I think it relieves their survivor guilt AND their feeling of obligation to their rescuers:

"I feel bad leaving you guys to suffer, particularly since I didn't really deserve to be rescued any more than you, so let me give you a heaping helping of some more of my rescuer's stuff. He's got PLENTY to share!"

Anonymous 11B July 18, 2015 5:14 PM  

Big Bill, you beat me to it. Great comment.

Anonymous The other robot July 18, 2015 5:42 PM  

Mittens shooting at Trump.

Anonymous The other robot July 18, 2015 5:50 PM  

Everyone knows that collaborator McCain was no here.

Blogger Curtis July 18, 2015 5:58 PM  

You can't bind the thief without violence.

I wish Christians would get that in their heads.

But, but, he was only speaking spiritually!

Blogger Jeff Hendricks July 18, 2015 6:12 PM  

I lived in New Orleans during Katrina.

Every word of it is true.

Only a fool, or a well-armed compound, would have stood in that kind of ravaged environment, and I was neither. My family and I stayed out of town for about 2 weeks until the real crazy stuff had cleared, and even then, I only went back so I could go back to work.

I think people don't realize how close we are to that kind of thing happening everywhere. It doesn't take much for people's real motives to be revealed.

I moved out of the city years ago. Where I'm at now, almost everyone is prepared and armed. I'm much safer now.

Blogger Jeff Hendricks July 18, 2015 6:15 PM  

Just thinking about it now brings back such strong memories... how every grocery store stunk like rotten meat for weeks afterwards. How fallen trees, power lines, and everything else was left laying for months, sometimes years. The water marks on all the buildings in uptown by Carrolton, Lakeview, Gentilly. The stink of nasty river mud piled 3 feet deep in Chalmetter right across the river from my house. I think more than anything, the smells stuck in my memory the worst.

Blogger Ragin' Dave July 18, 2015 8:41 PM  

Way back when Kim du Toit had his blog up and running, he posted an email from a prepper who had neighbors say "When it all goes to hell, we're coming to your house!", and then got upset when the prepper told them "No, no you're not." The general tone from the neighbors was "How DARE you turn us away! You're GREEDY! You're HOARDING!" The concept of preparing THEMSELVES never entered into their tiny little minds.

The parasites have gotten so used to feeding off others that they get angry when they're cut off. They're ENTITLED to it, don't you know. If you are not prepared to defend your family and your life with deadly force, you will not last for long. Even if the vibrants don't get you, the other parasites will.

Blogger Floyd Looney July 18, 2015 8:56 PM  

Very good thread. Also remember there is an anti-mentality in many people who think it is "unfair" for some to prepare while others are left out. Seriously, they think preppers should be prepping for the whole neighborhood or something.

Anonymous Discard July 18, 2015 9:29 PM  

I recall late 1999, when there was concern that things might fall apart because computers would not be able to read dates correctly, the Y2K problem. There was some smarm on NPR, telling the listeners that they could not just allow these preppers to hoard all their stuff. As if the smart types who listen to public radio can't buy their own supplies.
The Darks would be the least of our problem, when you've got tens of millions of people in this country with college damage.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 18, 2015 9:49 PM  

The general tone from the neighbors was "How DARE you turn us away! You're GREEDY! You're HOARDING!" The concept of preparing THEMSELVES never entered into their tiny little minds.

They think they are preparing -- by knowing where to run to. And they think their wonderfulness will be so in demand that anyone will rush to take them in, gladly trading meaningless baubles like food and shelter for the great pleasure of their company. After all, anyone can build a defensible, sustainable compound and stock it with years worth of canned food, clean water, and ammo. But how many people can provide the political and social wisdom to help a new society get along and prosper?

They're Golgafrinchans, in other words.

Anonymous BGS July 18, 2015 9:53 PM  

I have heard people say they might leave a bottle of poisoned booze wiped off well for prints if they had to leave their homes again. What is the irresistible KFC of booze?

Anonymous The other robot July 18, 2015 10:29 PM  

What is the irresistible KFC of booze?

Southron Comfort!

Anonymous Skillet July 18, 2015 10:49 PM  

The best preps in the world won't be worth a fart in a whirlwind if you don't practice good OPSEC. Operational Security means you tell exactly No One about your preps. I don't care who it is, loose lips sink ships. Tell one person (even family member) who you can supposedly trust and they mention it to someone they "trust" over a few drinks, and so on and so on... Next thing you know you have a lot of pissed, hungry yahoos wanting a piece of your stash. Seriously folks, KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT! Rule #1!

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 18, 2015 11:03 PM  

Don't expect wiping to remove DNA.  Don't touch anything with your hands in the first place.

Blogger Floyd Looney July 18, 2015 11:06 PM  

Reading this made me want to dash off a short story:

The Prepped

http://flscifi.blogspot.com/2015/07/short-story-prepped.html

Anonymous The other robot July 19, 2015 12:05 AM  

re: Prepped

Whoa, where did the armored vehicle come from?

Also, they should have erected barriers further down the road. Don't let them get within throwing distance of your position.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 19, 2015 12:57 AM  

Yeah road blocks and zig zags with trapped spots.

Blogger Floyd Looney July 19, 2015 3:25 AM  

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Blogger Floyd Looney July 19, 2015 3:31 AM  

I was trying to give the impression Earl was a bit much for the other preppers, remember that he wanted to blow the bridge. I would think a lot of preppers would not be comfortable with blowing up public infrastructure even in a SHTF situation.

Anonymous Valiant July 19, 2015 4:27 AM  

Liked it Floyd. Any recommendations as to any similar type stories. I have read Lucifers Hammer.

Blogger Floyd Looney July 19, 2015 4:32 AM  

ONE SECOND AFTER by WILLIAM R. FORSTCHEN was pretty good

Anonymous BGS July 19, 2015 10:43 AM  

for the other preppers, remember that he wanted to blow the bridge.

I guess you forgot the Katrina bridge and Algiers point.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 19, 2015 11:31 AM  

"re: Prepped ...they should have erected barriers further down the road. Don't let them get within throwing distance of your position."

The harder thing to believe is that they had a 50 cal rifle and didn't know to shot the engine of the reinforcement vehicles to make a barrier. But the hardest thing to believe is that people who listen to rap music would be able to figure out how to get fuel 3 months post shtf.

Blogger Sad Puppy July 19, 2015 12:08 PM  

ONE SECOND AFTER by WILLIAM R. FORSTCHEN was pretty good
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Yes, this was very good.

There was a TV show, Revolution, that had some of these things in it as well.

I don't feel like I have any great qualities to add in a SHTF situation except I am very reliable and I know how to fight with various things beyond fire arms.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 19, 2015 12:34 PM  

Stick stoves are a great low-fuel option. Don't forget something to start a fire with though, and a pot to, er, cook in. In fact, I suggest taking up backpacking as a hobby, you will acquire all sorts of useful gear and skills. Remember, just buying something doesn't mean you'll know how to use it when the time comes. Practice makes proficient.

"Seriously, though, how unbelievably obnoxious is it to invite others to a place of refuge that you have not prepared?"

That is our Western immigration and refugee policy in a nutshell.


I usually don't care for those stupid +1 buttons, but if Vox had them, I'd hit it for this comment Big Bill.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 19, 2015 2:35 PM  

"we were all in the superdome. Then they found the liquor stores in the stadium. That is when they started raping women in the bathroom. the cops didn't do anything". - What a resident of New Orleans told me the day she arrived in Texas on a bus.

She wanted these animals killed. she would have killed them.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 19, 2015 3:32 PM  

"I'm spooning a Barrett fifty cal. I could murder a building with this."
Sterling Archer

Blogger Floyd Looney July 20, 2015 3:22 AM  

Beats a "bamboo wife" any day I would think.

Anonymous FAILBOAT July 20, 2015 10:17 PM  

When bugging out, using chemical assistance or proper shift planning to keep the vehicle moving beats the hell out of stopping to camp. If done properly, there are no negative sequelae; $40 of pills and adequate fuel supplies can replace hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of "survival" gear.

Anonymous Valiant July 22, 2015 2:31 AM  

Any good websites and companies to buy food and gear to prepare? A good set of books to have post-bad stuff? Something trustwotthy?

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