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Wednesday, July 08, 2015

C'est la même chose

I find it rather amusing that there are SJWs in science fiction who insist that I should not be on the shortlist for the Hugo Awards because there is NO PLACE in science fiction for any editor who believes female science fiction writers are different in any way, shape, or form than male science fiction writers.

"As a rule, women do not make good scientifiction writers, because their education and general tendencies on scientific matters are usually limited."
- Hugo Gernsback

"Women do not write hard science fiction today because so few can hack the physics, so they either write romance novels in space about strong, beautiful, independent and intelligent but lonely women who finally fall in love with rugged men who love them just as they are, or stick to fantasy where they can make things up without getting hammered by critics holding triple Ph.D.s in molecular engineering, astrophysics and Chaucer."
- Vox Day

In case the irony escapes you, the Hugo Awards are named for Mr. Gernsback, a science fiction editor who knew very well whereof he wrote. I very much doubt that the various excesses and absurdities of the Pink SF age would be any surprise to him.

Meanwhile, an actual female physicist adds:
"Instead of getting educated in science and writing harder sci-fi, women major in squishy subjects, write romance-in-space, and complain about how misogynistic it is to point out that women major in squishy subjects and write romance-in-space."

It is apparent the Rabid Puppies have a battle cry: Hugo lo vult!

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Blogger kh123 July 08, 2015 2:40 AM  

Of course, would be remiss if Scalzi's misogyny in denying above quoted female physicist a place in the SF/F discussion wasn't mentioned. Right away. Right now, even.

Blogger Doom July 08, 2015 2:44 AM  

You can tell em'. You just can't tell em' much. No matter who, or how many times.

"Because it isn't fair!", is their battle cry. In spite of the fact that they are right but in the wrong way. If they just surrender now, they might keep some of that double advantage. Thankfully, at least as I see things, they aren't even close to quitting despite that their battle is absolutely destroying their holdings and positions. I love me some feminist tactical thinking when I am in opposition. Used to mean an easy lay, now it means a social revolt against them and theirs. Facing such, one doesn't even have to be smart. Like the tic-tac-toe chicken in a box. Just have to be hungrier.

Blogger kh123 July 08, 2015 2:46 AM  

...Am surprised he hasn't asked the Haydens to erase that Electrolite thread from, what, a decade ago. The educational compare-and-contrast of John's performance there vs. his later actions WRT Stickwick at his all-embracing Hug Hutch, it's like night vs...

Well, you get the idea.

Anonymous Eric Wilson (#0242) July 08, 2015 2:54 AM  

As a rule, women do not make good scientifiction writers, because their education and general tendencies on scientific matters are usually limited.

So I have a BS and MS in Electrical Engineering. The classes weren't that hard. I don't retain a lot from it, only 6 years later, but that's hardly the point. The point is: I'm pretty sure the whole EE department was something like 5-8% girls. I think I was in college when Lawrence Summers got in trouble for his statement about girls in math-related fields. People were incensed, but from what I could observe, it just seemed like he was speaking common sense. Like brightness in the sky usually correlates with daytime. Oh well.

Anonymous Scintan July 08, 2015 2:55 AM  

The rules only apply sometimes, and only to some people. Just ask De'Andre Johnson.

Blogger Migly July 08, 2015 3:05 AM  

The claim that women can't prepare themselves for the highly scientific challenge of editing sf stories would be unbelievable even if it actually was a high standard, however, consider the example of one of the field's most-acclaimed editors.

Frederik Pohl dropped out of high school, and his highest formal technical training may have been what he received as an air corps weatherman in WWII.

Before the war he edited books for Popular Science, which he was able to do because any requirement for technical know-how could be farmed out to experts -- see My Life As a Book Editor for Popular Science.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2015 3:14 AM  

Personally I don't see any reason a triple Ph.D.s in molecular engineering, astrophysics and Chaucer shouldn't hammer them over their crappy fantasy novels either. Well, aside from not bothering to read them in the first place I guess.

Another thing that occurred to me. Firefly is dear to most siffy hearts. Do any of those SJWs - who were probably shrieking with malevolent joy at the Confederate Flag bans - realize Mal Reynolds was the equivalent of a Reb?

Blogger rho July 08, 2015 3:16 AM  

"Scientifiction" is a great word. It's like "Japanimation," before all robot cartoons were drawn by Koreans.

Blogger Groot July 08, 2015 3:19 AM  

@kh123:

What? Electrolite? John who? Stickwick? Hug Hutch? Night vs day, though, I get. Sounds intriguing. Do tell.

The overpowering wonderfulness of cute, naked, fit, young women sustained me through my 20's, but it wasn't until Stanford that I even suspected that they could be smart, too. That is a small club, though.

Anonymous Blume July 08, 2015 3:36 AM  

Mike/Migly

Did we say edit? No we said write. Yes your editor doesn't need to know if your math or science is accurate, just if it helps or inhibits the joy of reading. What Vox is saying is that science fantasy like Star Wars doesn't require knowledge of astrophysics but writing Rendezvous with Rama kind of does. So dont give us the Quantum Rose and say it is the same as Rama or even Star Wars.

Blogger ray July 08, 2015 3:42 AM  

Whoa oh voice of Doom.

Sane people know when to quit, when you are not going to win, you are not in the right, and the opposition is adamant. Guess these folks don't get the basics.

Blogger Doom July 08, 2015 3:57 AM  

Jack Amok,

Oh, I think they realize, sometimes, how messed they are. They see through the massive cracks in their "logic", not even bothering to note the discrepancies. I see that in all women, though with lesbians it's angled slightly differently. I think it's a wounded (mentally) bird thing, to attract predators since husband material isn't available? I think they even know, but once on that path, it's man, insanity, or bust?

Now, women have that, in or out of relationships. It's just that, for the most part, inside of relationships, having a man helps her realize the flaw and deal with it more directly, and privately. No need to spill teh stupid everywhere, just at home, from time to time, more so anyway. She helps him with grandiose notions, I suppose, and ego and the love of risk-taking, he helps her with this and a few other things. Humans were meant to be mating pairs, those who are alone or queer to that, one way or another, will never be quite right.

Blogger Daniel July 08, 2015 4:06 AM  

Migly, that attempt to attack a concept that wasn't raised simply won't fly here. That's a rare SJW indulgence on your part. Read the quotes again.

Blogger Groot July 08, 2015 4:13 AM  

Doom, I have no idea what you are talking about, and yet I agree with you 100% percent. Women!! Insanely good, hot damn. Unless they're ugly.

Blogger L. Beau July 08, 2015 4:24 AM  

Nice crusader reference, Vox, even if Gernsback's Christian name doesn't have the same gravity as Deus.

As for the Firefly thing, Jack Amok, I suspect that the leftie cult will attempt to disqualify all of the obvious Browncoat/Reb parallels with a reference to "teh slavery." But your comment reminded me to ask, are any of the Dread Ilk making book on when the SJWs will figure out that the American flag also flew over legal slavery for almost a century? I am considering putting a sawbuck on the second quarter of 2017.

Blogger rho July 08, 2015 4:37 AM  

the American flag also flew over legal slavery for almost a century

This is a good metric. All flags that flew over slavery get a 100-year leeway before they become toxic. So let's enumerate the principalities and their last association with slavery to find the least slaverous.

Blogger VD July 08, 2015 4:41 AM  

The claim that women can't prepare themselves for the highly scientific challenge of editing sf stories would be unbelievable even if it actually was a high standard

That's a false summary, Mike. The claim isn't that women can't prepare themselves for the highly scientific challenge of writing those stories. They certainly could if they wanted to. No one is stopping them. The OBSERVATION, from male editors and female astrophysicists alike, is that they DON'T.

And even in the rare occasions that they do, such as in the case of Catharine Asaro, they STILL choose to write romance-in-space novels.

Let's not even get into the nonsense of the kung fu waifs. I told one writer that I would accept his submission if one fight scene that was absolutely ridiculous was redone. He readily agreed, noting that he had written it before he started doing martial arts and hadn't realized how completely clueless he was about female fighting capabilities. He actually thought women were faster than men.

Most Pink SF writers can't even get something as readily observable as women being physically too slow and weak to fight with a man right. Given that, what are the chances they can get the science right?

Blogger kh123 July 08, 2015 5:05 AM  

" Sounds intriguing. Do tell."

To follow Doom's lead:

It's complicated.

Blogger kh123 July 08, 2015 5:07 AM  

...Let their be Electrolite.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 08, 2015 5:30 AM  

Electrolite...
I hope they never introduce smell-o-vision to the Internet. Fora like this would smell of human grease, spite and cat piss.

Blogger Rantor July 08, 2015 5:52 AM  

Flashback to a decade ago, and PNH and John were all worried about recovering the stature of the Nebula Awards. Julia Jones was worried that SFWA wasn't a place for her. Etc... Well I just looked you up on Amazon Julia and there was nothing in the science fiction or fantasy category with your name on it. Then some freaking idiot snowflake went on and on about his physicist wife with her skill in ancient literature. Amazing ignorance.

It is no wonder that by the 1990s I had given up on mainstream science fiction.

Hugo lo vult!

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Anonymous ticticboom July 08, 2015 7:38 AM  

The claim that women can't prepare themselves for the highly scientific challenge of editing sf stories...

Way to take down that strawman. Your typical idiot lefty would no doubt tip his trilby in admiration.

I really don't get Vox's respect for you. Granted, you're smarter than your average SJW, but that's not exactly a high bar. The above-it-all, even handed act is still obviously an act to me. I guess when you surround yourself with cretins it makes you look relatively intelligent in comparison. Of course, that also means normal people won't want to spend any time around you and your fellow travelers, although given your moaning about the lack of dissenting voices at File 770 you don't have the intellectual horsepower to make the connection. Assuming you honestly consider that a bug and not a feature.

Anonymous Nobles July 08, 2015 7:39 AM  

>"In case the irony escapes you, the Hugo Awards are named for Mr. Gernsback"

So, then, they should be renamed, obviously.

Blogger IM2L844 July 08, 2015 7:58 AM  

SJWs simultaneously work to render tradition meaningless then appeal to violations of tradition as trespass and expect to get away with it. What the hell are they thinking? This is their long term plan for a better future? Enough is enough.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo #0368 July 08, 2015 8:02 AM  

@IM2L844

There's your problem. You assume "thinking" enters the scenario somewhere. It doesn't. It's Feelz Turtles all the way down.

Blogger IM2L844 July 08, 2015 8:08 AM  

It's Feelz Turtles all the way down.

I'm stealing that.

Anonymous dantealiegri July 08, 2015 8:18 AM  

rather @Migly, you, are too short for this ride.

Blogger Krul July 08, 2015 8:19 AM  

rho - '"Scientifiction" is a great word.'

I think so, too. I first saw it in the editor's note at the beginning of one of E. E. "Doc" Smith's stories. It's a seamless blending of the words "scientific" and "fiction". Unfortunately it's awkward to say, which I guess is why "science fiction" became the preferred label. Also, a lot of science fiction, especially the "soft" variety, isn't very scientific so perhaps "scientifiction" isn't the best label for the entire genre.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 08, 2015 8:23 AM  

Let's not even get into the nonsense of the kung fu waifs. I told one writer that I would accept his submission if one fight scene that was absolutely ridiculous was redone. He readily agreed, noting that he had written it before he started doing martial arts and hadn't realized how completely clueless he was about female fighting capabilities. He actually thought women were faster than men.

He probably learned that playing Street Fighter.

Which, to be fair, was designed in Japan where their SJWs are considerably different than ours. But even so, I think it was a concession to the notion that all characters in the game needed to be different yet potentially equal as a consideration to playability rather than to feminist fantasy. So Chun-Li and Cammy are weak yet fast.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 08, 2015 9:05 AM  

"26. WhiteKnightLeo #0368 July 08, 2015 8:02 AM
@IM2L844

There's your problem. You assume "thinking" enters the scenario somewhere. It doesn't. It's Feelz Turtles all the way down."



emo turtles

Anonymous aeou July 08, 2015 9:07 AM  

ticticboom:"
I really don't get Vox's respect for you. Granted, you're smarter than your average SJW, but that's not exactly a high bar. The above-it-all, even handed act is still obviously an act to me.
"

He is not as even handed as he first appeared. But he let most of my comments through and one comment he trashed saved me from an embarrassing misunderstanding. When I got vulgar but no more vulgar than others he deleted my comments. One of the deletions was reasonable as I tried to go against the spirit of what he had said earlier if not the words. He would not give clear explanation of the rules in an email exchange. I would say he is as reasonable as a biased, imperfect human could be.

I gleaned somewhere that Mike might be a conservative of some sort. He seems to be like a typical older American social conservative when it comes to what comments he will ban. But I don't know about his politics except he smells slightly of SJW.

He is intelligent but I don't know how.

He did ban Kratman on unfair terms, maybe. K really needs an editor when he gets to Internet comment mud wrestling.

He did put me in moderation for no real reason and would not let me out.

He does filter many variations of Kratman's name and other words for unclear reasons.

He thinks rabid puppies will get angry when reading his roundup roundup post. It was a nice troll but missed target. He underestimates us but not as much as most.

Blogger bob k. mando July 08, 2015 9:45 AM  

6. Migly July 08, 2015 3:05 AM
The claim that women can't prepare themselves


that wasn't the assertion, Mike.

but this is hardly the first time you've "read until offended", oh man of the 'right'.



17. VD July 08, 2015 4:41 AM
He actually thought women were faster than men.


to be fair, that's a canard that even Heinlein was peddling.

fortunately, we've got Danica Patrick around to prove that definitively false.



17. VD July 08, 2015 4:41 AM
Most Pink SF writers can't even get something as readily observable as women being physically too slow and weak to fight with a man right.


also, not bright enough to figure out that they shouldn't be threatening and punching men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMtVYcmYB38

Blogger Allan Davis July 08, 2015 10:01 AM  

What I want to read is more like Ringworld, Rocheworld, and Gateway...more stories about Heechee, Cheela, and Crazy Eddie. And their distant cousins, artistically speaking, obviously. I don't particularly care if those stories are written by men or women, straight or not, Eskimo or Martian...but it sure seems like no one writes anything like that anymore. What I see instead is row after row of vampires and werewolves.

If the science fiction publishers really want my money, they aren't trying very hard to earn it.

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Blogger Giraffe July 08, 2015 10:38 AM  

So... the guy that the Hugo's are named for, would most likely be a puppy today. And there was wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Blogger bob k. mando July 08, 2015 11:14 AM  

Thanks, Feminism!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nhBKbmpGi4

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 08, 2015 12:06 PM  

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Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 08, 2015 12:11 PM  

So I have a BS and MS in Electrical Engineering. The classes weren't that hard. I don't retain a lot from it, only 6 years later, but that's hardly the point. The point is: I'm pretty sure the whole EE department was something like 5-8% girls. I think I was in college when Lawrence Summers got in trouble for his statement about girls in math-related fields. People were incensed, but from what I could observe, it just seemed like he was speaking common sense. Like brightness in the sky usually correlates with daytime. Oh well.

There were only 2 girls in my EE first year weeder classes. Those filled up a large classroom of somewhere around 50~100 people, so < 4%. Most of my EE classes had 0 women.

Blogger TrevorG July 08, 2015 12:20 PM  

Didn't Teddy already get beaten up over his statement "Women do not write hard science fiction today because so few can hack the physics..." when it was pointed out to him, time and time again, by women who hold advanced physics degrees and write hard sci-fi novels what an idiot he was? Guess he's really scrapping the bottom of the barrel and has to go back to when he was proven wrong time and time again, and all he could do is move the goalposts and try to avoid the counter-arguments that he couldn't refute.

I'm sure that you'll personally attack me in the comments guys, you're an enlightened and intellectually honest group.

Anonymous aeou July 08, 2015 12:31 PM  

Trevor, shut up, give me your smokes and a list of female hard sf authors.

When I got tired of reading the electrolite thread they were up to two names.

Blogger Jack Aubrey July 08, 2015 12:41 PM  

Trevor, if you would, when you provide that list could you underline the authors with advanced physics degrees, and put a little asterisk next to the ones who have sold more than 100 copies of a book? Thx.

Blogger Seneca July 08, 2015 12:52 PM  

"Women do not write hard science fiction today because so few can hack the physics, so they either write romance novels in space about strong, beautiful, independent and intelligent but lonely women who finally fall in love with rugged men who love them just as they are, or stick to fantasy where they can make things up without getting hammered by critics holding triple Ph.D.s in molecular engineering, astrophysics and Chaucer."
- Vox Day
V.D., you are the most impressive opponent of P.C. thinking I have ever read. KUDOS!

[ Of course, what you said is totally true; just entirely unacceptable to the current social climate in the Western hemisphere. ]

Anonymous Stickwick July 08, 2015 1:09 PM  

TrevorG: Didn't Teddy already get beaten up over his statement "Women do not write hard science fiction today because so few can hack the physics..." when it was pointed out to him, time and time again, by women who hold advanced physics degrees and write hard sci-fi novels what an idiot he was?

No, he didn't get beaten up for it. A lot of people whined, and then Scalzi attempted to counter his claim with one (1) inept example.

So, who are all these female physics PhDs writing hard-sci? Catherine Asaro has impressive credentials, but she doesn't seem to write hard sci-fi. Who else is there? I mean, I wouldn't mind checking out their stuff, but I just don't know of any authors who fit that description.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 08, 2015 1:15 PM  

Remember you can chose to love women or understand them.

There's your problem. You assume "thinking" enters the scenario somewhere. It doesn't. It's Feelz Turtles all the way down.

Its like the people burning a flag to protest cops needing to call the cops when people beat them up for burning the flag.
http://www.fark.com/comments/8766059/Flag-burning-group-Disarm-The-Police-make-a-panicked-call-to-their-new-best-friends-police

He actually thought women were faster than men.

In the military its possible for a 50yo man and 20yo woman to finish the PT test run at the same time with the 50yo man failing and the 20yo woman passing.

Blogger VD July 08, 2015 1:20 PM  

Didn't Teddy already get beaten up over his statement "Women do not write hard science fiction today because so few can hack the physics..." when it was pointed out to him, time and time again, by women who hold advanced physics degrees and write hard sci-fi novels what an idiot he was?

No. Scott Lynch did cite one woman with a B.A. in astrophysics, but I pointed out that she is now a professor at the University of Minnesota who teaches - I kid you not - "Lesbianism in Hindu Film".

The irony is that I probably publish more women with PhDs in astrophysics than Patrick Nielsen Hayden does.

Blogger Allan Davis July 08, 2015 1:21 PM  

"Got beaten up over his statement." Yeah, if pointed fingers and shrieks straight out of Invasion of the Body Snatchers counts as "beaten up."

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Blogger bob k. mando July 08, 2015 1:26 PM  

44. BigGaySteve July 08, 2015 1:15 PM
Remember you can chose to love women or understand them.


this is so hilarious coming from a gay guy.

neuro-deviancy is significantly higher amongst homosexuals than the gen pop.

what are we to take from these two assertions? that BGS chooses not to understand his boyfriends? or that he doesn't love them?



43. Stickwick July 08, 2015 1:09 PM
Catherine Asaro has impressive credentials, but she doesn't seem to write hard sci-fi.


i liked Cherryh before she lost her mind, but she's soft science anyways. she doesn't really do romances, she's much more interested in the social aspects of sci-fi.



39. TrevorG July 08, 2015 12:20 PM
Didn't Teddy already get beaten up over his statement "Women do not write hard science fiction today


you could only "beat him up" over that statement by providing multiple examples of women writing ... hard science fiction.

so, you toddle along and get us that list of hardcore female skiffy writers while i relax with some Sookie Stackhouse ... *barf*

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 08, 2015 1:26 PM  

Trevor See the comments following your own. That's what getting beaten up looks like.

Anonymous Stickwick July 08, 2015 1:48 PM  

Was it Scott Lynch? I thought it was Scalzi. Either way, it was pretty funny.

Anonymous S-freude July 08, 2015 2:25 PM  

Isn't it the matket, and nothing else, that should tell us if women SciFant writers and there work is both valuable and viable?

Blogger Rockerbolt July 08, 2015 3:09 PM  

The Gernsback quote is from AMAZING STORIES #15 (June, 1927) and it's somewhat out of context. Gernsback was introducing a story by Clare Winger Harris that he judged had won third place in a story contest, and he went on to say: "But the exception proves the rule, as usual, the exception being extraordinarily impressive. The story has a great deal of charm, chiefly because it is not overburdened with science, but whatever science is contained therein is not only quite palatable but highly desirable, due to its plausibility. Not only this, but you will find the author is a facile writer who keeps your interest unto the last line. We hope to see more of Mrs. Harris' scientifiction in Amazing Stories." Gernsback did run other stories by her as well as Leslie Stone, so he seemed to take the position that if a female writer could write a story to his liking, he'd buy it just as readily as one from the men. If anything, this is a real-life example of a man overcoming his prejudices or at least initial assumptions based on new evidence changing his mind. In the editorial in Amazing #6, Gernsback expresses pleased surprise that his mail shows women being interested in the magazine, which he apparently hadn't anticipated. I bring all this up because I'd hate to see a sudden crusade by righteous thinkers to change the name of the Hugo Award because the Inner Party decided he was "sexist."

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 08, 2015 3:19 PM  

50. S-freude Isn't it the matket, and nothing else, that should tell us if women SciFant writers and there work is both valuable and viable?

The market tried but the gatekeepers decider they knew better and so the market died.

Blogger VD July 08, 2015 3:22 PM  

I bring all this up because I'd hate to see a sudden crusade by righteous thinkers to change the name of the Hugo Award because the Inner Party decided he was "sexist."

It's cute that you think that would matter.

Blogger John Wright July 08, 2015 3:26 PM  

"If anything, this is a real-life example of a man overcoming his prejudices or at least initial assumptions based on new evidence changing his mind."

I beg to differ. It is a real life example of the difference between those who judge a story on its merits, that is, the sane people, and those who judge a story on the sex or race or faith of the author, or how well the story scores talking points in an anti-Western, anti-Christian, anti-American theopolitical cult of raving lunatics, which is what the SJWs are.

We don't care. I never looked up the race of Stephen Barnes nor the sexual proclivities of Robert Heinlein, because I only wanted to hear a good story, not a politically correct finger-wagging lecture.

We don't care not because we are heartless (we are, but that is not why). We don't care about what is logically irrelevant because it is irrelevant.

You judge on performance. That is fairness. You do not judge a man on what he cannot change.

One of the saddest features of the postmodern world is the need to explain the blatantly obvious reality over and over again to a world grown allergic to reality.

Blogger Allan Davis July 08, 2015 3:31 PM  

S-freude #50...women writers nearly swept the 2015 Nebulas, and did sweep the 2014 Nebulas.

The market for science fiction is down another 7% after last year's drop of 21%.

I know, I know, correlation does not equal causation...but it is still an interesting correlation...

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Blogger Groot July 08, 2015 3:31 PM  

@26. WhiteKnightLeo

"Feelz Turtles" is a good one. Let there be meme!

@23. ticticboom:

"when you surround yourself with cretins": Is this entirely fair? This results from not actively shooing them away, rather than intentionally accumulating them.

@39. TrevorG:

"time and time again": Or, once, sort of. What is it with these people and numbers? The difference between few and none seems incomprehensible. A standard normal curve is intuitive and useful, with a handy bell shape graphic to visually point out standard deviations, and a highly predictive numerical model that describes all of reality. But it's like trying to communicate the idea of "not yet" to my dog. Just doesn't penetrate.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2015 3:50 PM  

The Gernsback quote is from AMAZING STORIES #15 (June, 1927) and it's somewhat out of context.

The SJWs have established that context and meaning are irrelevant. Everyone will be judged on how his words make others feel. Those words could make aspiring female writers feel bad, ergo they are sexist and possibly a hate crime. It doesn't matter what else he said, because we can't assume every reader would run across his other words.

It's too late to get Mr. Gernsback fired or force him to attend sensitivity training camp, so the best we can do is to dig him up and let hairy feminists stomp all over whatever's left of him.

And clearly, everyone who receives an award with his name on it should be viewed with suspicion henceforth.

Anonymous Beau July 08, 2015 5:00 PM  

Hugo lo vult!

Risi

Blogger Jim July 08, 2015 9:58 PM  

If anything, this is a real-life example of a man overcoming his prejudices or at least initial assumptions based on new evidence changing his mind.

Ahem...

"But the exception proves the rule..."

It's literally the first part of your quote. Are you so intellectually shallow that you think when someone speaks in generalities that a single counterexample defeats his point?

Blogger Doc Rampage July 09, 2015 12:45 AM  

"He actually thought women were faster than men."

This is one of my pet peeves because it is so prevalent among the youngsters. I wouldn't be surprised that the large majority of Americans younger than 35 or so believe that women are roughly equal to men in athletic ability. All of popular fiction feeds this myth and most people don't have any relevant experience to see how ridiculous it is. Sure, there's playing touch football with your sister and female cousins at Thanksgiving, but you already knew THOSE girls don't have an athletic bone in their bodies.

Sports are divided up (quite appropriately) so that boys never compete with girls physically after the onset of puberty. If you haven't taken martial arts with girls in the class, when are you ever going to see this difference? So the fiction tends to dominate the thinking.

Anonymous Scintan July 09, 2015 2:25 AM  

One of the saddest features of the postmodern world is the need to explain the blatantly obvious reality over and over again to a world grown allergic to reality.

Sadly, this is far too true.

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