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Wednesday, July 22, 2015

Conservatives begin to notice #GamerGate

Robert Stacy McCain salutes the downfall of #GamerGate enemy Max Read. It's good to see that conservatives, who are also hated by SJWs, are finally beginning to grasp that #GamerGate is an important development in the cultural war. There is a lot they could learn from it, to be sure, and they would be wise to adopt its 4GW tactics. However, the neocons and GOP conservatives, and in particular, the self-serving famewhores among them, should be warned that any attempts to coopt #GamerGate like they did the Tea Party will fail in a brutally spectacular manner.
“Never underestimate your enemy,” is a maxim of military strategy. Before you decide to go to war on the Internet, first consider the fate of Max Read, who was riding high as editor of Gawker until he decided that insulting #GamerGate was a smart move. He chose poorly.

When a friend, Beth Haper, first alerted me to the cultural significance of #GamerGate, I was skeptical. Really? A bunch of gamers were going to expose the bias and corruption of the media? This seemed improbable, but the fact that #GamerGate was arrayed against feminists drew my interest because, of course, I was working on a book about radical feminism’s War on Human Nature. Let us stipulate that #GamerGate is not “political” in the usual Left/Right Democrat/Republican way that Americans typically think about politics. Nevertheless, as fate would have it, the exposure of the Zoe Quinn/Nathan Grayson connection made gamers aware how unscrupulous women could exploit feminist politics and how unprincipled journalists were willing to assist this tawdry little racket. (See “The #GamerGate vs. Gawker War.”)

In war, your allies are whoever is fighting your enemies, and the motives of your allies matter far less than their skill in battle. Say what you will about #GamerGate, they are skilled and determined fighters.

Operation Disrespectful Nod is making believers of anyone who ever made the mistake of underestimating them. Just ask Max Read.
Conservatives should absolutely learn from #GamerGate. Given their own troubles with the SJW-dominated mainstream media, they should study and adopt its tactics, even though many of those tactics, such as the rejection of Narrative and central leadership, and the devotion to truth rather than spin, will be anathema to some of them. What they should do is form their own groups and conduct their own operations; the brilliant exposure of Planned Parenthood is an example of the sort of thing they can do.

#GamerGate is a model, not a vehicle to be captured and steered in a new direction.

But these conservatives with a newfound respect for #GamerGate would do very well to stay out of GG proper, and the conservative media whores should absolutely refrain from following their usual practice of leaping in at the front of the parade and claiming to be leading it. I, for one, haven't forgotten when shills like Dick Armey, Dana Loesch, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachmann began proclaiming themselves to be leaders of the Tea Party, or when Joseph Farah wrote The Tea Party Manifesto 18 months after the movement was in full effect. Even at the time, I remember thinking, "do you seriously think you're going to get away with it?" Then CNN hired Loesch as its "senior Tea Party correspondent".... The fast and furious entrance of shills was one of the reasons I refrained from ever doing anything more than expressing general sympathy for the Tea Party's original goals; you may recall I predicted early on that it would end up amounting to nothing.

I'm skeptical that anything of note will come of it. But it's nice to see the scope of American discontent even so. And anything that the mainstream media doesn't want to cover can't be all bad....I'd quite like to see a few Republican politicians punched in the face at these events. The damned whores did NOTHING when they were in power, so to see them attempt to coopt a popular movement in order to retrieve what they threw away is particularly disgusting.
- April 15, 2009

I don't hear any powerful Republicans showing much concern of the Tea Party turning on them, and more to the point, I see a lot of signs that the Tea Party has already been co-opted. When establishment Republicans are talking about gradual change and bipartisan consolidation while neocons like Sarah Palin and Dana Loesch are hailed as Tea Party "leaders", it doesn't take a genius to see that what has happened time and time again to rebellious conservative grass roots organizations is already happening to the Tea Party.
- November 2, 2010

American media conservatives would be wise to understand that #GamerGate is transnational, apolitical, doesn't support political parties, and won't hesitate to do what we did to Gawker and turn a Disrespectful Nod in the direction of their advertisers if they try to coopt us or pull that lame sort of self-promoting shill shit.

The Tea Party naively welcomed the conservative shills who coopted their movement and steered it right into the shoals of the Republican Party. #GamerGate hates shills with a passion second only to their hatred of SJWs and has been proactive about how to deal with them from the start. So don't even think about it unless you want all your hashtags to belong to us and your Twitter feed full of porn courtesy of Mercedes.

To quote an influential #GamerGate document: "No leaders. - This is a 100% shill idea."

I am the Leader of #GamerGate and so can you.

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174 Comments:

Anonymous awesome July 22, 2015 5:51 AM  

In line with your SJW warfare handbook, something concise that addresses the problem with moderate infiltration and how to deal with it is sorely needed. It's sad to see how the tea party was co-opted.

Blogger Sgt Polite July 22, 2015 5:53 AM  

When the Tea Party started it was a natural organic backlash against Obamacare, then it became co-opted, frozen and marginalized. It needs to evolve into splinter cells, which I see happening in the prepper/Oathkeeper community.

Anonymous Anonymous July 22, 2015 5:53 AM  

It would be hilarious to see a Republican even try to coopt GG. We have been trying to force partisan politics out of gaming, not swap a donkey for an elephant!

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 22, 2015 6:03 AM  

When the Tea Party started it was a natural organic backlash against Bush-era misgovernment.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 22, 2015 6:03 AM  

I came to the conclusion there are no conservatives. They just don't exist. Everyone claiming the title is doing a number on you. Anyone using the title is there to co-opt, subvert, infiltrate, hijack, eviscerate and dismember.

Conservative is as bluntly evasive and disingenuous as progressive.

Conserve to what? Conserve to where? A free market? sovereign citizens? "We the people"? banks with gold reserves? churches free to preach against a political agenda? families that can home school? doctors that can practice evidence based medicine? lawyers that don't need qualifications? states with free rights of association? traditional definitions of marriage, adulthood, sodomy, adultery? an at fault divorce system? No IRS? A government owned central bank? One religion with non relative absolute truth? That Islam wrong? That Jesus is who He said He is?

Someone telling you they are a conservative is a dead giveaway that they aren't. They are hiding to delude, obfuscate, prevaricate, smoke and mirrors deceive. The platitudes are there to destroy what you have left.

Anonymous JamesV July 22, 2015 6:12 AM  

I don't see any main stream politicians co-opting GG like they did the tea party. GG has a smell of misogyny on it and that is an anathema to most politicians. They are going to stay away from anything their opponents can use to drive women voters away from them.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 6:13 AM  

I don't see any main stream politicians co-opting GG like they did the tea party.

They might not, but some media whores will. I bet at least one talking head is going to declare himself a #GamerGater within nine months.

Blogger Rantor July 22, 2015 6:19 AM  

Why PhillipGeorge I think you have pretty well described what a conservative is. A few additions though: 1. Life begins at conception. 2. Arguably no central bank. (Central bank is not needed when you use hard currency)

Blogger John Wright July 22, 2015 6:22 AM  

To the contrary, I am a conservative. The label is misleading, because, of course, I seek radical and immediate change to adhere to the principles conservatives have always sought.

But you asked specific questions:

A free market? Yes.

sovereign citizens? Yes.

"We the people"? Yes.

banks with gold reserves? Yes. Private banks, though.

churches free to preach against a political agenda? Yes.

families that can home school? Yes.

doctors that can practice evidence based medicine? Yes.

lawyers that don't need qualifications? dear God, yes.

states with free rights of association? Yes.

traditional definitions of marriage, adulthood, sodomy, adultery? Yes.

an at fault divorce system? No. No divorce at all, except perhaps in the case of fornication or abandonment.

No IRS? Obviously.

A government owned central bank? I would rather have a red hot fork in my eye.

One religion with non relative absolute truth? Yes.

That Islam wrong? Obviously.

That Jesus is who He said He is? Yes.

I believe that a republican form of government can be used and only used by a strongly and conscientiously Christian people. No others are worthy of it nor able (if history is the judge) to maintain it. And when republicanism fails, divine monarchy.

The unification under Protestant theory of secular and spiritual power (so that the King of England is the mini-pope of the Church of England) is anathema to me. That is the first Progressivist innovation that I, as a conservative, would like to roll back.

Any other questions?

Do you still maintain that I am trying to fool or mislead anyone by calling myself a conservative? Perhaps I am an exception to your general rule?

Anonymous bandersnatch July 22, 2015 6:26 AM  

but some media whores will

Yeah, like Milo.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 6:32 AM  

Yeah, like Milo.

Milo takes the concept of media whore to such an extreme that it blasts through the firmament and approaches the Platonic ideal of ideological purity. He's like the con man who fakes sincerity so flawlessly that there is no material difference between the act and the reality.

Blogger Shimshon July 22, 2015 6:37 AM  

As far as I understand, most people consider the genesis of the Tea Party movement to be Rick Santelli's famous rant in early 2009. But as far as I am concerned, even he tried to hitch a ride on a movement that got its start with the Ron Paul Tea Party Money Bomb of December 2007 (and which I contributed to). Until then, no one paid attention to the concept or the day.

Anonymous Anonymous July 22, 2015 6:52 AM  

Milo has been a very faithful friend to GG.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 22, 2015 6:59 AM  

I thought Palin and Beck sealed the TP's fate with their prayer gathering in DC to celebrate MLK. Clowns like that are the GGs worst nightmare

Blogger John July 22, 2015 7:01 AM  

I see that John Wright has already weighed in. Excellent, as this saves much time and trouble…

What He Wrote. Damn near word for word.

Which would appear to make two exceptions to the general rule.

Anonymous James Parliament July 22, 2015 7:10 AM  

Milo is also so playful that one reads with interest without taking him too seriously. You can hate his ideas, but then you realize you're arguing with a performer. You cannot win even by winning.

Jon Stewart took Leftism further than it would have gone naturally. We can use clowns too.

Anonymous Steve July 22, 2015 7:12 AM  

Milo is made of awesome and lulz and glorious, shiny flowing hair that swishes in slow motion like a model from a shampoo ad.

He's also a shameless self-promoter. But so what? He has a lot of talent to promote. The man does good work. He's not in a profession that rewards the shy and the self-effacing.

His relationship with GG has been a resounding win-win.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 22, 2015 7:21 AM  

John Wright, thanks for that. With a broad brush I've casually excluded the possibility that any publically confessed career political quest conservative is ever going to talk details honestly and openly. I humbly suggest all the divisions of and into sacred and secular are mirage images/ light hitting a flat object-less horizon on a warm day. Two scriptures suggesting this are "royal priesthood" and God being known as "all in all". It's one heck of a rabbit warren going backwards in timelines through fuzzy word etymologies. Could one "conserve" all the way back to naked in a garden being very good?
I think an eastern orthodox Patriarch recently warned about the dividing into sacred and secular as being fraught with danger. For discourse I think its better just to side step the word 'conservative' and talk the very specific details through to completion - which amounts to everyone's entire lifetime. It's, in the end, living itself.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 22, 2015 7:28 AM  

I went to one Tea Party rally. Ron Paul was the speaker. It all went downhill afterwards, as Vox described.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 22, 2015 7:33 AM  

Milo, and others like him, are winning actual battles against SJWs, while conservatives would still be sitting around fretting about whether the tactics used are too mean.

That's probably a bigger danger than conservatives trying to co-opt GG and outright lead it: conservatives joining it and declaring solidarity with it, then trying to guide it it a kinder, gentler direction. How many times have we seen it: "Hey, you guys, I'm 100% with you, but don't you think we're going too far about...."

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 22, 2015 7:35 AM  

The Church of England may be considered "protestant" today but it ain't. It is a popeless English Rites Catholic Church. Well, the King (queen?) is their pope.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 22, 2015 7:35 AM  

"Conservative" had such a bad rap last century that both Hayek and Rand were moved to denounce it. That may change as Western Civilization (indeed, any civilization) is gradually replaced by barbarity in the continuing collapse.

Anonymous Steve July 22, 2015 7:43 AM  

Conservatives should absolutely learn from #GamerGate

Not just its tactics, but also its tone.

#GG is fun. People enjoy being a part of it. They gameified activism.

Rabid Puppies has similarly been fun. How many times have we heard it said that this is the best $40 we've ever spent? And it's true.

Establishment conservativism is not fun. It's boring. Nobody can be arsed listening to some shiny-faced twat politician drone on and on about being "responsible" - by which he means being slightly less socialist than his opponents - and carefully sifting his words through multiple layers of focus groups and spin doctors till all the meaningful content is removed.

When they're not being aggressively boring, cons tend to be aggressively depressing. We're all doomed because X! Where X equals immigration, China, our shitty schools, whatever.

There's nothing wrong with highlighting real or potential problems, but nobody likes listening to a terminal sad sack. It induces torpor. Even Thom Yorke fans stick on a bit of Hanson from time to time to lighten the mood.

Do we think Charles Martel sat on his arse and told his troops: "Listen, men. There's a shitload of Mussulmen around, so basically we're fucked."

Nah. He gave them achievable objectives, raised their morale, and pointed them at targets they could defeat.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 7:45 AM  

That's probably a bigger danger than conservatives trying to co-opt GG and outright lead it: conservatives joining it and declaring solidarity with it, then trying to guide it it a kinder, gentler direction. How many times have we seen it: "Hey, you guys, I'm 100% with you, but don't you think we're going too far about...."

We have it covered. "STFU tone police" is the usual response.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 7:47 AM  

There's nothing wrong with highlighting real or potential problems, but nobody likes listening to a terminal sad sack. It induces torpor.

Got that covered too.

SHILL TYPE: The Defeatist
>"IT'S OVER /V/, WE LOST"
RESPONSE: None. Do not respond.

Anonymous Heaviside July 22, 2015 7:48 AM  

Who gives a shit about cuckservatives? There is nothing left to conserve. Do these senile morons have a future, any future? No, only a hard and merciless cadre of youth can conquer the ruins of America. Everyone who works for the GOP should be gassed. Our aim should be to march over their dead bodies.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 22, 2015 7:50 AM  

I'll throw one detail in. In the history of ideas, dogmas, doctrines, political theories, social constructs the division of secular and sacred has been the single most destructive of them all. Bar none. From the founding of America no idea has held more destructive sway.
Rebuilding America starts with one flag, one flag pole and one sod of earth. Does the flag fly for Jesus Christ? What George Washington left unsaid needs to be spoken. Today.

Anonymous Krul July 22, 2015 7:53 AM  

Cail - "That's probably a bigger danger than conservatives trying to co-opt GG and outright lead it: conservatives joining it and declaring solidarity with it, then trying to guide it it a kinder, gentler direction."

I don't think it's that big a danger, considering that mainstream conservative pundits and politicians have ZERO credibility among GG. How many of them have even played a video game? No matter what they do, it'll be blindingly obvious to GGers that they're not "one of us".

Add to that the "conservatives'" abysmal record of catastrophic failure combined with their craven "me-too-ism" toward the Left, against the unprecedented success and uncompromising consistency of GG. I believe the intuitive and proper reaction of GG to any presumptuous Cons will be "Stand aside, Grandpa, I'll show you how it's done."

Blogger Shimshon July 22, 2015 7:56 AM  

"Establishment conservativism is not fun. It's boring. Nobody can be arsed listening to some shiny-faced twat politician drone on and on about being "responsible" - by which he means being slightly less socialist than his opponents - and carefully sifting his words through multiple layers of focus groups and spin doctors till all the meaningful content is removed."

Rand Paul in a nutshell.

Blogger Salt July 22, 2015 7:58 AM  

I'm all for the Neo wing (and the media whores) of the Right trying to co-opt GG. Would be cathartic. Watching the ~Palinites fail and swing into full damage control would be comically delicious; taking on people who refuse to fail. I can see it happening too with some on the Right, as GG represents a juicy limelight morsel, and for them it's pure poison.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 22, 2015 8:04 AM  

I like what you have to say on the subject Vox, and support it 100%. The older I get the more I think "mainstream" acceptance of a movement is all about dulling down its power and tripping up the lead bulls. Kind of like the scene in the Matrix where Neo figures out that the Oracle might be just another form of the Architect's controls, designed to keep him doing what the matrix wants.

Wherever Republicans show up, defeat is sure to follow, like Nike in reverse.

Anonymous Gx1080 July 22, 2015 8:04 AM  

Milo and his untamed hair do two things that all kinds of co-opters and fake leaders don't do. Ever:

1) Being on the trenches taking heat.
2) He doesn't pretend to lead.

2) is extremely important. Nobody wants another fake messiah, but anybody can be part of Gamergate.

Better people than Gawker and the rotten "journalists" that follow their lead have tried to beat the anonymous Internet masses into submission. I'm still amazed at the sheer hubris that it took to believe that "Gamers are dead" was going to work.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 8:05 AM  

Would be cathartic.

I had to talk some GGers out of taking over the #WakeUpAmerica hashtag today. Although I had to admit that the idea of the look on the faces of those earnestly patriotic tradcons suddenly dealing with a vast influx of Grummz's navel art, Yuji's "life is boob" tributes, and Mercedes's naked pornstream made me laugh out loud.

Just Otter Jesus alone would do some of them in.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 22, 2015 8:16 AM  

On the PP issue: I have a few GGers in my Twitter feed, and also an array of Catholics from mainstream to traditional. While the Catholics have certainly been outraged about the baby-part-selling scandal and trying to spread the word about it, the GGers have actually been louder, more consistent, and scoring more points on it. That surprised me at first, because I wouldn't have guessed these GGers were so pro-life. Then I realized: they may not be, but they can recognize the hypocrisy of an organization selling itself as the defender of "women's rights" and then selling the results of their abortions behind their backs. They hate that kind of institutional lying, and respond by trying to kill it with fire.

That's not to downplay one bit what the Catholics/conservatives are doing in the overall abortion fight; some of them will be out in front of abortion clinics today trying to talk women out of abortion, and God bless them for it. But for the rhetorical part of the battle, they're completely unsuited. They state the outrageous facts, then wait for good and decent people to respond with outrage -- and when they don't, as they mostly haven't since Roe, they don't know what else to do. They want to convert PP, but you convert individuals, not highly-profitable organizations. GG just wants to burn orgs like PP down, which is a much more reachable goal.

Blogger njartist July 22, 2015 8:32 AM  

The unification under Protestant theory of secular and spiritual power (so that the King of England is the mini-pope of the Church of England) is anathema to me. That is the first Progressivist innovation that I, as a conservative, would like to roll back.


Yeah, we want a man in scarlet and purple with a three tiered crown: King of Earth, King of Hell, and King of Heaven: sitting in the temple of God proclaiming himself as God. /s

To hell with that Old Time Babylonian Religion.

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 8:37 AM  

"The unification under Protestant theory of secular and spiritual power (so that the King of England is the mini-pope of the Church of England) is anathema to me."

Some people told God they wanted a king. God told them a king was a bad idea.

God was right.

He still is right.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 22, 2015 8:37 AM  

32. Anonymous Gx1080 July 22, 2015 8:04 AM
I'm still amazed at the sheer hubris that it took to believe that "Gamers are dead" was going to work.


It was the height of hubris, the very definition of the term, because I'm convinced that most of them thought 100% that it WOULD work. They don't care about games as an art form, entertainment, or a fully formed subculture, so they couldn't imagine that we would rise up and refuse to die. Their own delusion bubble prevented them from seeing that we believe in what we say more strongly than they do.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 22, 2015 8:38 AM  

I prefer the word 'Traditionalist', to 'Conservative'. Though I could also easily describe myself as a 'Jeffersonian Liberal'.

Blogger njartist July 22, 2015 8:39 AM  

social constructs the division of secular and sacred has been the single most destructive of them all.

Tossing Saint Paul out the door are we?

If you would read your bibles you would find Paul discerning between the two and their proper roles. But, if you're so keen on a theocracy there is the Vatican or Iran: go live in one of those places.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 22, 2015 8:42 AM  

Krul, it may not be a big danger, but it's normally the next step, so the thing to watch for. People who joined up because they agree with the goals despite not liking the tactics will start tone-policing and saying, "Now that we're winning, we need to make sure we're doing it the Right Way." As a corollary of that, you'll start to hear, "Now that we've won a battle, we have to stop and see if they're ready to parley." If GG is truly inoculated against those traditional methods of turning victory into defeat, that's huge.

Anonymous Caloric July 22, 2015 8:44 AM  

A definition of conservatism from Bill Lind's 6/10/15 column:

"We see again why conservatism is the negation of all ideologies, and with them the hideous methods adopted for their inculcation."

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 8:46 AM  

"It was the height of hubris, the very definition of the term, because I'm convinced that most of them thought 100% that it WOULD work."

I would argue it was less hubris and more bubble related ignorance.

Remember this?

"I have no idea how George W Bush could possibly have been elected. I don't know a single person who voted for him."

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 8:47 AM  

See, theology morons, this is why you're getting your asses kicked by the SJWs. Even when there is a successful movement destroying the people who have been kicking your asses for decades, you'd rather preen and posture and pose about who is more right than the other guy than try to learn from a successful example.

You're literally worse than useless. You could be doing what #GamerGate does and making alliances of interest, ignoring your points of difference, and encouraging each other to shoot at the enemy. But you'd MUCH rather cast darts and insults at each other as you continue to lose ground to those who hate you both.

You're losers. You will always be losers if you don't learn to fight your enemies instead of your potential allies. I just had to slap down an idiot neoreactionary who doesn't get that on Twitter - he was actually lying about me and claiming I was "jumping on the GG bandwagon" to promote myself - when I come back here and read this stupid shit.

What the fuck is wrong with you morons? How totally fucking stupid are you? Are you so in love with defeat that you're actually going to work actively to guarantee it?

Maybe the SJWs are right and conservatives really are as stupid as they say they are. Or maybe they can learn. I don't know. Here's an idea. Instead of snarking back and forth at each other like McRapey and McCreepy arguing over who is more feminist, why don't you discuss how you might be able to adopt GG tactics in the areas where the SJWs are kicking your ass?

I just thought, you know, it might be relevant.

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 8:49 AM  

"I prefer the word 'Traditionalist', to 'Conservative'. Though I could also easily describe myself as a 'Jeffersonian Liberal'."


You people need to stop splitting hairs and admit what you know you are.

You are radicals.

The change you seek is radical.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 8:52 AM  

"Now that we're winning, we need to make sure we're doing it the Right Way." As a corollary of that, you'll start to hear, "Now that we've won a battle, we have to stop and see if they're ready to parley."

We already saw that in the Sad Puppies. I shot it down hard. And, of course, it was the people who had absolutely nothing to do with the "winning" who were very seriously concerned about how we comported ourselves while doing so.

As far as I'm concerned, if I'm not skull-fucking your eye sockets and urinating on your corpse, I'm being a sufficiently gracious winner.

Blogger Salt July 22, 2015 8:54 AM  

You people need to stop splitting hairs and admit what you know you are. The change you seek is radical.

Roof throwers.

Blogger Ross Lumbus July 22, 2015 8:58 AM  

I agree with a lot of what is written here BUT need to say one thing.

Milo.

I do not know Milo out of what I have seen of him in Gamergate and in a few choice interviews against Feminists. Based on that and that alone, I am a huge fan.

As sincere or self-serving that you think he is, let me tell you. Even if he turned his back on Gamergate and walked off without a second glance, we would still love him for what he has personally done for us. He doesn't need to prove anything to us. Anything further he does for us is all upside and bonus.

Bad-mouth him all you like but I will defend him and many in Gamergate will.

Anonymous Krul July 22, 2015 8:59 AM  

"I prefer the word 'Traditionalist', to 'Conservative'. Though I could also easily describe myself as a 'Jeffersonian Liberal'."

I'm a Mugwump.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 22, 2015 9:09 AM  

Establishment conservativism is not fun. It's boring.

This may be generational, but the right-wingers I know in real life, age 40+, don't think politics should be fun. It should be Serious Business. Every step must be measured and planned, to make sure it Does No Harm. The issues are Too Important to joke around with.

Look at the Gawker thing. Some on our side were scratching their heads: why are you defending a leftist from other leftists? How does this advance our causes? But it was never about defending anyone, or about political causes at all. And it wasn't really about "ethics in journalism," as noble as that sounds. It was about Gawker being total assholes, and taking down assholes is fun.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 22, 2015 9:13 AM  

You people need to stop splitting hairs and admit what you know you are.
You are radicals.
The change you seek is radical.

Naturally.

Anonymous Stingray July 22, 2015 9:13 AM  

See, theology morons, this is why you're getting your asses kicked by the SJWs.

This should be a stand alone post and be strongly featured in your new book.

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 9:22 AM  

"Although I had to admit that the idea of the look on the faces of those earnestly patriotic tradcons suddenly dealing with a vast influx of Grummz's navel art, Yuji's "life is boob" tributes, and Mercedes's naked pornstream made me laugh out loud."

The tradcons... man... I've tried to help a few of them but for the most part they are a lost cause. I mean... these are people who are honestly longing for traditional practices that actually never existed.

What they call courting never existed as a widespread practice in america. It may have existed in small puritan communities... but that's not traditional american.

Anonymous The Original Hermit July 22, 2015 9:28 AM  

"You are radicals.

The change you seek is radical"

I am a radical conservative. I want to conserve radically.
Fuck it, I just want to burn this mother down.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 22, 2015 9:34 AM  

We are winning?

So where is Irene Gallo? What is she doing these days?

Anonymous ZhukovG July 22, 2015 9:36 AM  

There is nothing to conserve; there is only a city before us that needs to be sacked.

HERGER: "Attack them?"

BULIWYF: "Do we have a choice?"
The 13th Warrior

Blogger Bill July 22, 2015 9:39 AM  

Well, as a Tea Party guy I'm rather surprised to hear we lost. Not only is it way too early to tell, but that perspective also ignores all our actual wins (you know, at the ballot box, where wins can be measured). The point was to win elections at the local level first, so that local conservatives could be on election boards, be election monitors, etc. as well as get a solid base of actual conservative politicians to pull from. This is where the system is really broken, and to be totally fair we did not win where we needed to - yet. But we did pick up an impressive number of state seats, so things are moving in the "right" direction. These local and state elections are where you develop actual winning candidates, you can't just have a bunch of people that have never won so much as a bar fight go out and start campaigning. Good Lord, they'd get their asses kicked. And the whole political machine needs an overhaul - local corruption is endemic.

But, in general, yes I totally agree that we need to side with our allies and throw big rocks at our enemies, I think the Tea Party, in general, with a lot of exceptions, gets this. And our allies are anyone that is remotely on our side, even if they're Catholic.

Anonymous Isa July 22, 2015 9:46 AM  

"There's nothing wrong with highlighting real or potential problems, but nobody likes listening to a terminal sad sack. It induces torpor."

you just explained why i stopped visiting American Thinker. the writers and commenters there are way too depressing for my taste.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 9:47 AM  

We are winning? So where is Irene Gallo? What is she doing these days?

Did you know GG has a word for people like you? They even have some advice for how to deal with you.

SHILL TYPE: The Defeatist
>"IT'S OVER /V/, WE LOST"
RESPONSE: None. Do not respond.

Hmmm, I suppose I should follow their advice, shouldn't I.

Blogger Henry Smith July 22, 2015 9:48 AM  

See, theology morons, this is why you're getting your asses kicked by the SJWs....Here's an idea. Instead of snarking back and forth at each other, why don't you discuss how you might be able to adopt GG tactics in the areas where the SJWs are kicking your ass?

Geez....Did the Dark Lord of Evil just chew out the troops? Why yes...yes he did.

He's right. So pay fucking attention.

Anonymous Dennis Mahon July 22, 2015 9:49 AM  

See, theology morons, this is why you're getting your asses kicked by the SJWs. Even when there is a successful movement destroying the people who have been kicking your asses for decades, you'd rather preen and posture and pose about who is more right than the other guy than try to learn from a successful example.

I wish I could say you were wrong, but..."Christian solidarity" is about as rare today as hen's teeth. Even in the face of something as evil as abortion, we seem to cheerfully turn to sectarian bloodletting over and over again.

Blogger The Observer July 22, 2015 9:56 AM  

You're losers. You will always be losers if you don't learn to fight your enemies instead of your potential allies. I just had to slap down an idiot neoreactionary who doesn't get that on Twitter - he was actually lying about me and claiming I was "jumping on the GG bandwagon" to promote myself - when I come back here and read this stupid shit.

With all respect, MA has been excommunicated from Neoreaction, and the main bodies (Nick Land, Nick B. Steves and Hestia) pretty much all ignore him these days. He's a bit of a laughing stock.

Anonymous Dennis Mahon July 22, 2015 10:03 AM  

But for the rhetorical part of the battle, they're completely unsuited. They state the outrageous facts, then wait for good and decent people to respond with outrage -- and when they don't, as they mostly haven't since Roe, they don't know what else to do. They want to convert PP, but you convert individuals, not highly-profitable organizations. GG just wants to burn orgs like PP down, which is a much more reachable goal.

THIS. This. Pro-life advocates need to get this through their heads - you convert people, you destroy Principalities of Evil. You show mercy to people, you smash Thrones. You show mercy to a German soldier, but you grind the Nazi to a bloody paste under your boot-heel.

Blogger Josh July 22, 2015 10:05 AM  

You're losers. You will always be losers...

/trump

Anonymous Soga July 22, 2015 10:06 AM  

Wheeler, you theology moron!

Shut the fuck up already, you only chime in to tut-tut at Protestants or people falling to live up to your Spartan "ideals". Especially Protestants getting things done. And you just complain and complain.

Shut the hell up, you useless lunatic. Stop talking, start DOING.

Blogger Josh July 22, 2015 10:08 AM  

This may be generational, but the right-wingers I know in real life, age 40+, don't think politics should be fun. It should be Serious Business. Every step must be measured and planned, to make sure it Does No Harm. The issues are Too Important to joke around with.


The Ron Paul campaign in 2008 was fun.

OpenID simplytimothy July 22, 2015 10:08 AM  

I don't see any main stream politicians co-opting GG like they did the tea party.

They might not, but some media whores will. I bet at least one talking head is going to declare himself a #GamerGater within nine months.


One technique of co-option is 'Embrace Extend Extinquish'. It was employed by Micorsoft against Sun's Java language.

Eric S. Raymond in his Halloween Documents (ah, the good old days of loading linux on a 486 w/ 1/4 " floppy disks...) is where I first read of the technique.

In my opinion, Dick Army employed a variant of it with one of his TeaParty websites and pocketed a cool 3 million in the process.

1. Embrace the movement.
2. Extend it in some way, such that it is diluted. (Armey did this by limiting the sites to just Social Networking with no real tools for real political work. I offered my services on a part-time basis for free or full-time for minimal pay. I never got a response after 3 attempts. The result was 'talk exhaustion')
3. Extinguish the movement/product.

The model is useful for interpreting the 'actions' of 'Conservative leaders' like McConnell, Rove, Boehner et. al regarding Benghazi, the IRS Scandal, obamacare and amnesty, all three of which are in the extinquish phase, having been extended by 'ongoing congressional hearings' and being initially embraced by the lying sons-of-bitches.

Vox states that keeping a movement 'leaderless' is correct. Looking at the Teaparty, it is obvious that it chose 'leaders' who led nowhere but to ineffectualness.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 10:09 AM  

With all respect, MA has been excommunicated from Neoreaction, and the main bodies (Nick Land, Nick B. Steves and Hestia) pretty much all ignore him these days. He's a bit of a laughing stock.

Fair enough. I can't say I'm surprised.

Blogger Chris Scena July 22, 2015 10:12 AM  

"As far as I'm concerned, if I'm not skull-fucking your eye sockets and urinating on your corpse, I'm being a sufficiently gracious winner."

Almost sprayed my coffee all over my monitor. Well played, Vox.

Blogger Durandel Almiras July 22, 2015 10:13 AM  

I second Stingray's suggestion.

Not to derail, as that would go against the Dark Lord's command, but maybe Nate or someone else here can do a blog post on their blog explaining what exactly is taught and said in Protestant circles about Catholics. I wasn't taught anything negative about Protestants (I wasn't taught much of anything actually, a complaint common in the Catholic lay faithful seeking to fix that) but in dating a daughter of an Assemblies of God pastor, they clearly were taught about Catholics. Been some interesting theological discussions + gun threats, though I understand since the daughter is in RCIA.

@ Cail - your comment at 34...I feel your pain. I'm constantly annoyed at the noble defeatism of Catholics. I joke with parishioners that I don't get why feminists want female priests when you can't find a single pair of testicles amongst the entire hierarchy. We need people like St. Paul and St Athanasius again. Planned Parenhood should be suffering a Gawker meltdown at their hands but at most the Catholics have just stirred up a little squall that will pass soon. Thank God for GGers.

Blogger Shimshon July 22, 2015 10:18 AM  

@Bill

"Not only is it way too early to tell..."

Bill, you must've missed the news where RP supporters were taking over convention after convention, and party apparatus after party apparatus. They studied the rules and were making serious inroads. A bit in 2008, 2012 was incredible. As an observer from afar, it was dry, but looked like real fun. We were making inroads. The taste of victory was in the air. And then...the apparatchiks banded together and said to hell with the rules and proceeded to make mincemeat out of all of them. Sucked the fun right out of it too.

The political process is not the route to pursue. Too easily co-opted and contained.

Anonymous Steve July 22, 2015 10:22 AM  

Cail - the right-wingers I know in real life, age 40+, don't think politics should be fun. It should be Serious Business. Every step must be measured and planned, to make sure it Does No Harm. The issues are Too Important to joke around with

Very much so, and that is why they fail to reach the under-40 crowd.

Ain't nobody got time to put on a shirt and tie, soberly discuss last month's minutes, elect a chairman, or do any of that other tedious stuff like it was a golf club committee meeting.

The worst fear most Gen Xers and Millenials have is being bored. Maybe it's a character flaw. Doesn't matter. You can only piss with the cock you have.

So... attitude and tone. Did you know that one of the most popular marching songs in the modern Russian army is "Spongebob Squarepants"? Because today's conscripts are Millenials, and they think it's fun. It's a very small thing, a tiny concession to the troops from NCO's and officers who could easily insist on sticking to traditional tunes, but these little gestures add up.

I'd rather fight in Spongebob's absorbent-and-yellow army than some po-faced outfit where everything is a Serious Business. I'd rather be a Rabid Puppy and a vile and faceless minion than Mister Sensible Shoes of Beigetown, Boringshire.

If you want a vision of the future, imagine Spongebob gleefully bayonetting a SJW - forever. While a Rabid Puppy bites the SJW's bum - forever.

Blogger Josh July 22, 2015 10:25 AM  

but maybe Nate or someone else here can do a blog post on their blog explaining what exactly is taught and said in Protestant circles about Catholics

We don't care

Anonymous ZhukovG July 22, 2015 10:35 AM  

But Josh,

Attacking my Brothers and Sisters in Christ from other traditions is so much easier than trying to fight the real enemy. Why, if I don’t show sufficient zeal in attacking other Christians, the “Church Ladies” may speak poorly of me.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 22, 2015 10:40 AM  

Durandel,

The thing is, it may be that the kind of people who can be successful standing outside an abortion clinic talking girls out of abortion simply aren't capable of fighting the rhetorical battle. I know a lady who's committed her life to unplanned pregnancy intervention, and she's saved several lives. She's far too nice to "attack" anyone, even those who would like to shut her down.

But that's okay; she's doing what she can do, and it's great. The problem only arises if nice people like her try to shut down those who are willing and able to use harsher tactics for the same cause. As long as they stay out of the way, it's fine.

Blogger Bill July 22, 2015 10:45 AM  

@Shimshon

Those were RP's folks, not TP'ers. And, yes, they got curb stomped by the establishment - I get it.

Advice; Don't bother with national elections, start local, get your guys IN THE FREAKING SYSTEM. Become the system. Become a delegate, win the election for dog-catcher. The fact that you separate 2008 and 2012, and then gave up, tells me you don't yet get it. This is not an election cycle thing, it's a permanent thing.

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 10:45 AM  

"but maybe Nate or someone else here can do a blog post on their blog explaining what exactly is taught and said in Protestant circles about Catholics. "

it would be a very odd blog post... since most protestant churches don't teach anything about catholics at all.

hard as it may be to believe... we really don't think much about you guys. You're just another denomination to us.

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 10:48 AM  

"Those were RP's folks, not TP'ers. And, yes, they got curb stomped by the establishment - I get it. "

dude. get over it. YOU got curb stomped. You elected a bunch of people... who went to washington and screwed you royally. The tea party doesn't even exist in any real sense any more. its done. you lost. time to start over.

Blogger CM July 22, 2015 10:56 AM  

The comments on moderates and movements leads me to the conclusion that moderates can not and should not be revolutionaries or changers. It takes extremists be effective at change. If that is uncomfortable for you, move over and wait out the nastiness while minding your own business...

After all, minding your own business is what made you a moderate.

In this, i can say i'm mostly a moderate. I recognize i will not enact noticeable change. I'm not daring enough. But with scripture, i can be bold and daring. So i'll defend scripture against moderates. Heck, I already stepped in it by claiming Jesus and Paul are effectively neutral on slavery. If i have friends after that, i'm lucky.

Anonymous fish July 22, 2015 10:58 AM  

Who gives a shit about cuckservatives? There is nothing left to conserve. Do these senile morons have a future, any future? No, only a hard and merciless cadre of youth can conquer the ruins of America. Everyone who works for the GOP should be gassed. Our aim should be to march over their dead bodies.


Now THAT is a mission statement!

Blogger Josh July 22, 2015 11:05 AM  

We were making inroads. The taste of victory was in the air. And then...the apparatchiks banded together and said to hell with the rules and proceeded to make mincemeat out of all of them. Sucked the fun right out of it too.

Yup.

Happened in the county republican parties around Nashville.

Blogger Josh July 22, 2015 11:07 AM  

Advice; Don't bother with national elections, start local, get your guys IN THE FREAKING SYSTEM. Become the system. Become a delegate, win the election for dog-catcher. The fact that you separate 2008 and 2012, and then gave up, tells me you don't yet get it. This is not an election cycle thing, it's a permanent thing.

That's what the RP folks were doing before the local GOP broke their own rules and kicked them out.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar July 22, 2015 11:13 AM  

Oh, but they are conservatives. They're not conserving your values, they're trying to conserve the System. What else would you expect from lapdogs?
You're not real conservatives, these sell-outs are the real conservatives. Faith in God and loyalty to a Real Nation based on Blood and Soil is not conservative, its extremism in the cause of Loyalty, Honor and Justice. Extremism in the cause of Liberty is no Vice, unless Liberty is based on lies such as equality, fraternity and libertine sexual degeneracy.
The conservatives are the other side of the Wages of Sin. They are the Ding to the Socialist Dong. Its a giant circle jerk of HIV powered Mass Extinction! The Wages of Sin are DEATH. Whether they call it in US Dollars or Phony EUSSR Euros is merely semantics at this point.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 22, 2015 11:15 AM  

Jesus. Okay, here goes:

For all the religion-fans here, be aware that there are more atheists and agnostics on this list than you. Yes, I know, hard to believe, since they don't natter on incessantly about the subject. Why not? Two reasons:

1. Normal, if minimal, respect for the words and opinions of others.

2. Desire that Vox Populi not be cluttered and degraded with unending religious arguments. They got that out of their systems freshman year in college.

How much of a religious component does GamerGate have? None. Heed that fact.

Anonymous BGS July 22, 2015 11:16 AM  

Someone telling you they are a conservative is a dead giveaway that they aren't.

Well saying, I am an anarchist that wants the govt out of my bedroom, kitchen, laundryroom, living room, garage, pool & lawn doesn't goes over as well as showing up at a gay coffeeshop wearing a white shirt with an attackers blood on it & telling people you where attacked by a couple BLACKS.

but some media whores will - Yeah, like Milo. Milo comes equipped with victim class shielding.

hubris that it took to believe that "Gamers are dead" was going to work.
Usually the words racist & sexist work for them this is a new area for them.

Anonymous BGS July 22, 2015 11:19 AM  

"said in Protestant circles about Catholics. " "since most protestant churches don't teach anything about catholics at all."

Points to Martin Luther's list, if you feelz bad about that you should read his book about all of the financial scams known to man that still go on to this day.

Blogger Bill July 22, 2015 11:22 AM  

@Nate

"You elected a bunch of people... who went to washington and screwed you royally. The tea party doesn't even exist in any real sense any more. its done. you lost. time to start over."

Dude. Not only don't you know what you're talking about, you don't know what the topic is. Seriously, Washington? Pay attention!

We did take a few shots to the nuts. This is true. The other side got together and took out Roscoe, who was our best guy by far. The dude was a serious political fighter (his son... not so much). And we lost the gay thing. Those are two serious hits. We also missed with Bongino, he seemed like a pretty good guy but we couldn't get it done. But, on the flip side, we're just getting started and look where we are;
(this is from 2012, things have only gotten better - the risk is that we get infected with Republicans, not conservatives)
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/05/the_tea_party_livesin_maryland.html

"Realizing that local elections are crucial for the future direction of their local communities and the state, conservatives have focused on winning campaigns for school boards and county and city elected offices. David Ferguson, executive director of the Maryland GOP, said that Republicans "now control the majority of elected offices (including commissioners, state's attorneys, sheriffs, and county clerks), 158 to 157, and we control fifteen of the 24 county councils."
...
"The early clamor of the Tea Party is gone, replaced by the hum of an increasingly prodigious conservative coalition."

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 11:23 AM  

"For all the religion-fans here, be aware that there are more atheists and agnostics on this list than you."

Dude.

You're on the crack.

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 11:27 AM  

Bill...

Sugar britches... you may as well claim that I am a tea partier... since me and a bunch of my friends organized a massive anti-tax campaign in my county that not only prevented the new school tax from passing... it actually defunded the school system entirely as of Jan 2016.

of course... you'd be mistaken. Because no one said a damn think about a "tea party". No one called a tea partier had anything to do with it.

The tea party as a national force is dead.

the Right is not dead. But that meme is gone. Find a new name and apply your successes to that name. TP is associated with to much abject failure.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 22, 2015 11:28 AM  

Okay, I'll repeat the question: In what way is GamerGate religion-based? How large a component of GamerGate is religion-based?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 22, 2015 11:29 AM  

Vox

I am the Leader of #GamerGate and so can you.


An American vet of the Korean War told me a story that can't have really been true but surely did contain a germ of truth. Tommy Hass will probably like it.

The Norks captured UN forces and always were careful to separate out the officers from the enlisted men to deprive the latter of leaders. Some Turks were captured in battle, and the Norks did the same.

So the sargeants, the non commissioned officers, sorted out who was senior. That man then proclaimed to all the other Turkish POW's, "I am the general now!", and he then appointed other NCO's as colonels, majors, etc. and so forth. The Turks were organized again. The Norks figured out what had happened after some time, and removed the "general" and his other officers to a separate pen.

So the senior corporal then stated, "I am the general!" and repeated the process. The Norks then put him and others into another separate pen.

Legend has it when it came down to two privates, one looked at the other and said, "I am the general!" then they both looked at the Norks. The Norks separated them, and each private then informed his captors without hesitation I am the General.

Like I said, can't literally be true, but surely contains truth.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 22, 2015 11:43 AM  

"90. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty CentsJuly 22, 2015 11:29 AM
...
The Norks captured UN forces and always were careful to separate out the officers from the enlisted men to deprive the latter of leaders. Some Turks were captured in battle, and the Norks did the same.
... "



From what I've read, the Turks dealt with the brainwashing techniques much better than the Americans did, on the whole.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 22, 2015 11:43 AM  

@VD: re: "See, theology morons, this is why you're getting your asses kicked by the SJWs...."

Awesome...really...although I have often been tempted to join in that fray, knowing I'm out manned and outgunned, tired and worn out from previous engagements keeps me silent and sometimes amused by some who express my thoughts much better.....

"As far as I'm concerned, if I'm not skull-fucking your eye sockets and urinating on your corpse, I'm being a sufficiently gracious winner."

I'd love to see this under "Vox Populi" at the top of the page with the hashtags.....but that might scare away the old ladies,children and small furry animals....

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 11:45 AM  

"Okay, I'll repeat the question: In what way is GamerGate religion-based? How large a component of GamerGate is religion-based?"

none of gamergate is religion based. But the notion that most gamer gaters are not religious is mathmatically supremely unlikely.

Agnostics and atheists make up a tiny.. tiny percentage of the population.

Blogger Nate July 22, 2015 11:45 AM  

The NFL isn't religious and it isn't religion based either... but almost all of its fans are religious.

Blogger Shimshon July 22, 2015 11:53 AM  

@Bill

I didn't give up. I live in Israel. I'm a huge RP fan. But I am an observer of American politics and have been for years (other than donating several times to RP's campaigns). That's all. I'm involved in Israel. I'm a founding member (put up or shut up, right?) of Moshe Feiglin's new political party, for one.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 22, 2015 11:58 AM  

Argument by analogy is suspect, at best. The NFL isn't Vox Populi, and neither are the NFL fans. WIth that said, I'll freely admit, I could be wrong.

So let's take a poll! Everyone here who's a committed, church-going Christian, make yourselves known please? (Agnostics and atheists are harder to nail down; they don't rush to declare their religiosity or lack thereof, whereas Christians, as seen on this list, do...and do...and do and do and do.)

Blogger Marissa July 22, 2015 12:04 PM  

Pro-life advocates need to get this through their heads - you convert people, you destroy Principalities of Evil. You show mercy to people, you smash Thrones. You show mercy to a German soldier, but you grind the Nazi to a bloody paste under your boot-heel.

This is a great quote. orsonwellesclapping.jpg

Also, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the one "conservative" having a whole lot of fun deflating the other faggots and traitors running for Republican nominee. I'm not jumping on his train, just enjoying it all while it lasts, but Trump has fired off some seriously funny and destructive soundbites against Yeb, Perry and Graham in particular. I'm surprised the media is still covering him, unlike the blackout they gave Paul. Any theories? Does the media not take him seriously, while they did realize what a threat Paul was? I can't understand it. Is he just too outrageous and shocking not to cover?

Anonymous clk July 22, 2015 12:09 PM  

"See, theology morons, this is why you're getting your asses kicked by the SJWs. ....., you'd rather preen and posture and pose about who is more right than the other guy than try to learn from a successful example."

Well to be fair to the "morons" --- somebody intentionally drew them into the arguement... religion with absolute truth ? --- that would make a good story ... but seriously I would suggest the principles of free will and perfect knowledge would preclude such a religion and we all should be happy that such absolutes do not exist because it is only within human imperfection that forgiveness is possible -- just ask Lucifer.

Blogger Danby July 22, 2015 12:12 PM  

@Marissa,
Trump is a celebrity, so whatever he does is, by definition, to the celebrity-worsipping media, worth reporting.
Ron Paul is a crabby-looking old man and therefore beneath their notice.

@VFM 188
No. You're very very wrong, and Nate's very very right, but no, I won't co-operate with your stupid attempt to support your stupid argument.
I don't care.

Anonymous Joe July 22, 2015 12:15 PM  

Melissa,

The media believes Trump helps Democrats and hurts Republicans.

The trick is turning the tables so that the stage the media is giving Trump is used constructively - whether or not it was Trump's intention - to make over the Republicans, hold them accountable, and rally the right independent of Trump and the GOP.

Anonymous Joe July 22, 2015 12:17 PM  

My comment at 100 to "Melissa" should be @97. Marissa

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 22, 2015 12:25 PM  

The best use of the Anti-Govt. Shock troops is in direct physical action in response to an outrageous situation. Like when the hundreds of thousands of bikers rode to the 'closed' parks (which costed more more to close) and simply removed the barriers depositing them at the whitehouse. It was a powerful and real action (which subconsciously commits you to more action) and was a fantastic visual. A crippled vet carrying the barricade to throw in front of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave caught everyone's attention. Instead of declaring victory and go home. Plan the next one. Let TPTB declare something utterly petty and illegal (they do it nearly every day) then organize the riders and truckers for a couple days of humiliating protest and showing how impotent the govt is when faced with more than couple thousand determined guys that individually are tought as hell to arrest much less when they out number you a thousand to one.

Nothing wrong with the emails. Fuck send ten of them. I have in recent months but don't forget for a brief moments we shut down down town Washington. We stopped the BLM's take over of a ranch. We pushed racial grievance agitators out of neighborhoods.

I'm not a biker but If I was I would be organizing the largest flag/ heritage rally ever and tossing stacks and stacks of the Stars and Bars right at the white house steps.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 12:39 PM  

In what way is GamerGate religion-based? How large a component of GamerGate is religion-based?

It's not. It's impossible to say. Probably 2/3 religious 1/3 not. But it's almost never discussed in any capacity.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 12:40 PM  

Tea Party wasnt co-opted. The Establishment GOP hates Sarah Palin and Dana Loesch and any real conservative. Certainly some Tea Party candidates have been false like Marco Rubio, but many are legit like Ted Cruz & Mike Lee. The GOP Establishment has punished Tea Party representatives denying them important committee membership/leadership positions.

It is the Tea Party that put up any challenge to John Boehner & Mitch McConnell inside the GOP caucus.

Neocon is a meaningless slur. Sarah Palin is a populist Washington outsider who was and is demonized by not only the MSM but the likes of Karl Rove and the RINO brigade.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 22, 2015 12:44 PM  

OT:

My uncle knew Palin personally. Of all the governors he worked with he said she was the smartest and asked the most pertinent questions. He was really pissed at the outrageous portrayal of her in the media. And he started out an FDR Democrat so it wasn't partisan.

Blogger automattthew July 22, 2015 12:48 PM  

be aware that there are more atheists and agnostics on this list than you.

That's a nice assertion you've got there. Be a shame if someone ... challenged you to prove it.

Blogger Danby July 22, 2015 12:48 PM  

Neocon is NOT a meaningless slur. It has a specific meaning, related to a specific brand of moderately liberal, militarilly aggressive, relentlessly pro-Israel politics popular among "conservative" Jews and Evangelicals, wedded to SJW tactics and extracting money and support from conservatives.

You may not agree that Sarah Palin is a neoconservative, in the mold of Dick Cheney and John Bolton, but don't pull the "We're all neocons now/ There is no such thing as a neocon/Neocon is an ethnic slur" bullshit that NRO is so fond of. It's dishonest.

Anonymous Joe July 22, 2015 12:53 PM  

@77. Nate
"The tea party doesn't even exist in any real sense any more. its done. you lost. time to start over."

I think the political setback is good for the Tea Party on the long run because their primary focus should not be elected office.

They should primarily be a transformational cultural movement that aggressively moves to change everything piecemeal. Their political power, including with elected officials, should expand organically from growing influence in every stratum of society - law, academia, education, media, entertainment, charities, community groups, institutional religion, etc..

Setbacks are not an end. Setbacks are lessons learned. The setbacks in elected office open the way for the Tea Party to adapt a more fruitful course and, as Nate says, start over.

Anonymous Joe July 22, 2015 1:02 PM  

@107. Danby

"wedded to SJW tactics"

I'm skeptical about this, but if you were correct, that would be a point in their favor. Not understanding and not using SJW-style tactics has been a gaping weakness easily exploited by SJWs for a long time.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 22, 2015 1:03 PM  

Groveling VFM: In what way is GamerGate religion-based? How large a component of GamerGate is religion-based?

VD: It's not. It's impossible to say....But it's almost never discussed in any capacity.

We could do worse than imitate that here.

Recall: See, theology morons, this is why you're getting your asses kicked by the SJWs. Even when there is a successful movement destroying the people who have been kicking your asses for decades, you'd rather preen and posture and pose about who is more right than the other guy than try to learn from a successful example.

Blogger Rabbi B July 22, 2015 1:05 PM  

"The damned whores did NOTHING when they were in power, so to see them attempt to coopt a popular movement in order to retrieve what they threw away is particularly disgusting."

"About that time there arose a great disturbance about the Way . . . I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison . . . " (Acts 19 and 22).

We don't really see the Way being co-opted by anyone either, and it has been spectacularly successful. There are prominent people who were highlighted (e.g. Paul, Peter, James, et al), but none of them proclaimed themselves leaders or co-opted the movement, but were simply men following the directives established by the Master Himself:

"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 'Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, immersing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” (Matthew 26)

Which is precisely what they did. I am not saying there weren't leaders within the movement, for there certainly were, nor am I suggesting that leaders (i.e. shepherds, pastors, priests, ministers, and rabbis) are unnecessary, quite the contrary; but no one (at least initially) co-opted the Way and it became a force to be reckoned with.

"When they heard this, they were furious and wanted to put them to death. But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while.

"Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered.

Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from G-d, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against G-d” (Acts 5).

The advice is still good. Stand up. Get involved. Quit standing by while innocent blood is being shed.

And to all you G-d-loving Ilk:

But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. (II Timothy 4).

Excelsior!

Blogger Danby July 22, 2015 1:13 PM  

@Joe,
I didn't mean it as an insult, but as a description. Neo-cons use shaming, group-inclusion, all the SJW tactics. Largely because they are Leftists who have grown up a little.

Anonymous REG July 22, 2015 1:14 PM  

Donn- I take it you did not see the Confederate Battle Flag Biker rally then. Twas a sight to see that long line of flags.

96. VFM bot #188

This is Vox Popolic not Gamergate. Polling us will not get you the figures of how many GamerGaters are Christian vs non-Christian. Nor will it derail this thread. I will use a quote from a Christian or Atheist when it fits the question. That doesn't mean squat as to my personal beliefs so, leave it alone so that I can read the political opinions without interruption.

Anonymous Scintan July 22, 2015 1:17 PM  

Advice; Don't bother with national elections, start local, get your guys IN THE FREAKING SYSTEM. Become the system. Become a delegate, win the election for dog-catcher.

Yes, the only way for lasting change besides a revolution of some sort is to do as you say, seize control, and then basically hit the reset button from within. The political right doesn't have enough people willing to do what it takes to accomplish the goal, though. The Free State Project is a good example of that.

What Vox, and others, are attempting is something that just might light some fires under asses, though, and multiple approaches need not be mutually exclusive, so it's a good thing in my eyes. Time will tell the tale.

Blogger Bill July 22, 2015 1:20 PM  

Nate,

Ok, great, you're (sorry, forgot who I was engaging with), your an ally! That's great that you prevented the new school tax from passing and whacked the budget. So, keep going, now that you're a force, at election time just compare notes. Talk to folks at parties, expand your twitter network, whatever, this is not all that hard.

Yeah, we don't use the term Tea Party any more, we just chat, compare notes, my wife is an election monitor, my son is an election judge, I go to local meetings (like the Sad Puppy meetup), etc etc. Now, it's just life. It's what the other side's been doing for decades, we need to catch up.

Blogger Salt July 22, 2015 1:21 PM  

Sarah Palin is a populist Washington outsider who was and is demonized by not only the MSM but the likes of Karl Rove and the RINO brigade.

Sarah Palin put herself out there as a leader of TP; she wanted the political clout she thought TP might provide. TP started as a grassroots, it didn't need a national-spotlight leader, who, if anyone, was Ron Paul. She's as much to blame for TP's demise as anyone. She should have never sought the stage.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 22, 2015 1:29 PM  

No I did not see the flag rally. Any symbol of rebellion to overbearing and illegal authority should be encouraged.

Anonymous Scintan July 22, 2015 1:30 PM  

Sarah Palin put herself out there as a leader of TP; she wanted the political clout she thought TP might provide. TP started as a grassroots, it didn't need a national-spotlight leader, who, if anyone, was Ron Paul. She's as much to blame for TP's demise as anyone. She should have never sought the stage.

The attacks on Palin by those on the right side of the political aisle, have almost uniformly been stupid and counterproductive. What essentially happened with Palin is that the useful idiots on the right did the job for the leftists. It's nothing to be proud of, and blaming her for the demise of the TP is ridiculous.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 22, 2015 1:43 PM  

"83. VFM bot #188 July 22, 2015 11:15 AM
Jesus. Okay, here goes:

For all the religion-fans here, be aware that there are more atheists and agnostics on this list than you.
..."




So you don't want someone's help if they believe in God? Good luck with that.

Blogger overcaffeinated July 22, 2015 1:49 PM  

"I can't understand it. Is he just too outrageous and shocking not to cover?"

They're betting if they keep Trump alive, it comes down to Trump and Jeb and then Jeb wins (their desired outcome).

"such absolutes do not exist "

Do they absolutely not exist?

Blogger Corvinus July 22, 2015 1:59 PM  

To quote an influential #GamerGate document: "No leaders. - This is a 100% shill idea."

I am the Leader of #GamerGate and so can you.


Exactly. Getting a leader risks having the whole movement co-opted by a political shill. Ask any traditional Catholic who's critical of the SSPX.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 July 22, 2015 2:10 PM  

106. automattthew

be aware that there are more atheists and agnostics on this list than you.- #0188

That's a nice assertion you've got there. Be a shame if someone ... challenged you to prove it.

Objection: irrelevant. We are all firing in the same direction at the same enemy. There's even some dude here that doesn't believe in electric current, or that our era is anywhere near the year 2015 AD. So what? Save it for after school.


19. JaimeInTexas

I went to one Tea Party rally. Ron Paul was the speaker. It all went downhill afterwards, as Vox described.

I met RP in 2006 at a Lew Rockwell conference. He gave a terrific speech at lunch, hitting all the right notes just so. But out in the hallway, the greasy glad handing was no different from any other politician. He reminded me of a used-car salesman. Not at all surprised when he pulled the punchbowl.

Back OT, the headline of the year claims that Gawker Staff Smears Feces On Itself, Boards a Schoolbus Loaded With Gasoline and Napalm, Then Intentionally Drives That Schoolbus Into a Cargo Train Transporting Toxic Waste and Retarded Clowns "Check the update at Wired, they've revised the tally to 4-2, to include Heather Deitrich, Gawker's legal counsel, as one of the voices of dissent...further attempting to legitimize their running of the story.

"Ah, the Legal Counsel. Perfect.

"Because...

" Hulk Hogan is currently in trial against Gawker for revealing private material to the public (a sex tape). Gawker deliberately posting private facts about non-public persons would go a long way to show a pattern and practice that would lead to punitive damages."

Hmm, does a pack of lies and lying liars build up some sort of compressed energy bundle that get released when triggered? (their word) It seems like they do most of the work of destroying themselves.

Blogger Doom July 22, 2015 2:22 PM  

Isn't S. McCain more of a moderate, beltway, conservative? I am surprised he takes that step, after dealing with libertarians and conservatives like myself. None too happily. I'll have to see who he is politically supporting. I just thought of him as a Jeb man though. Could be wrong. Then again, if they have thunder, let them be on your side? Let them brush your rock-n-roll hair?

Blogger Salt July 22, 2015 2:28 PM  

What essentially happened with Palin is that the useful idiots on the right did the job for the leftists.

TP started out much like GG; local, leaderless, and grassroots. Mama Grizzly et al willfully maneuvered into the spotlight, giving them a target. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Yeah, she deserves her share of the blame.

Anonymous Scintan July 22, 2015 2:35 PM  

TP started out much like GG; local, leaderless, and grassroots. Mama Grizzly et al willfully maneuvered into the spotlight, giving them a target. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Yeah, she deserves her share of the blame.

Like most of the Anti-Palin crap, your post makes no sense. Blaming Palin for the demise of the TP, when she was taken down as much by so-called friendly fire as by attacks from the left?

That sort of ridiculous mentality is a large part of why the Right's been getting its ass kicked for the better part of 120 years.

Blogger CM July 22, 2015 2:39 PM  

@Joe-

I think the problem with neocon sjw tactics is that they are applied to all the other brands of conservative (libertarian, tea party, right of moderate) far more than they are used against liberals.

Blogger Salt July 22, 2015 2:49 PM  

Come on, Scintan, the grassroots TP was coming on like a powerhouse. It had both the left and elements of the right quaking in their boots. There was nowhere to turn the spotlight but the message, and the message was powerful. Then along came Palin et al and the spotlight had a target. Of course she, and the TP, was taken down as much by friendly fire as attacks from the left. That fire was about Palin et al and the message was lost.

Blogger Danby July 22, 2015 2:55 PM  

Stacey McCain is an anti-Establishment conservative. He's routinely slandered as a neo-Confederate White supremacist. He's writing a book exposing the anti-human anti-male anti-normal philosophy behind feminism..He co-ordinated the Not One Red Cent campaign last election cycle.

Maybe one of us, but a definite ally.

Blogger Danby July 22, 2015 2:56 PM  

Come to think of it, I found this blog via a link in McCain's blogroll.

Anonymous Scintan July 22, 2015 3:21 PM  

Come on, Scintan, the grassroots TP was coming on like a powerhouse. It had both the left and elements of the right quaking in their boots. There was nowhere to turn the spotlight but the message, and the message was powerful. Then along came Palin et al and the spotlight had a target. Of course she, and the TP, was taken down as much by friendly fire as attacks from the left. That fire was about Palin et al and the message was lost.

No, the message was lost when the people that the TP helped get elected sold out after their arrival in Washington.

Anonymous LBD July 22, 2015 3:32 PM  

@Nate 52:

What they call courting never existed as a widespread practice in america. It may have existed in small puritan communities... but that's not traditional american.

I grew up in lower Manhattan, not a small Puritan community. In my youth (I'm in my early 60's) courtship was the norm.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 3:52 PM  

Darby, whatever your crazed definition of neocon might be there are 100 more.

Get real.

Neocon means, people on the right that I dont like.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 3:56 PM  

Robert Stacey McCain isnt a "neocon" ursurper of #GamerGate.

This attempt by Voxday to paint Tea Party conservatives has some kind of boogeyman for #GamerGate to shun merely weakens both, by preventing synergy between natural allies.



Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 4:03 PM  

@107. Danby

"wedded to SJW tactics"

I'm skeptical about this, but if you were correct, that would be a point in their favor. Not understanding and not using SJW-style tactics has been a gaping weakness easily exploited by SJWs for a long time.

============

Bingo Joe. You either wage war to win, or you lose.

The gentleman's agreement Queensbury rules method of political tactical shit is why Neo-Marxists have been so effective.

It's unfortunate that we have to deal with Marxists inside our socio-political system, very powerful, If you want them out, you are gonna have to have something better than a logical argument or tradition on your side.

Blogger Danby July 22, 2015 4:18 PM  

@Escape,
Not crazy, standard definition. I was around when it was coined, at first as a self-definition, by Irving Kristol. It was originally meant as a label for Jewish former Communists, usually Trotskyites, that abandoned Communism because of a perceived adopted an anti-Israel stance. They began voting for and promoting Republican candidates.
Later, during the first Bush administration, the term was expanded to include non-Jews, particularly Evangelicals, who embraced 3 political planks:
1) Promotion of democracy and nation-building abroad
2) Unlimited immigration
3) Fierce, one might even say rabid, support of Israel in all circumstances.
The typical neocon also has several other traits that are common but not obligatory;
A) a weird sort of feminism that is nominally anti-abortion (but only nominally) while being enthusiastically anti-white male and pro-population control
B) Nominally pro 2nd Amendment and yet tacitly pro-gun control (reasonable restrictions, you know the type)
C) Anti-racist whilst and at the same time anti-Affirmative Action
D) Complete unconcern about deficits, combined with a preference for lowering taxes
Note: all of the above 4 positions are lies one way or the other.

Neocon means, people on the right that I don't like.
Citation please? Does anyone call Ron Paul a neocon?

Blogger Robert What? July 22, 2015 4:25 PM  

@Vox - any suggestions as to how a non-gamer can show their support for GG?

Blogger jimmy_the_freak July 22, 2015 4:33 PM  

120. overcaffeinated July 22, 2015 1:49 PM

"They're betting if they keep Trump alive, it comes down to Trump and Jeb and then Jeb wins (their desired outcome). "

Trump is unelectable in their eyes. They can cover him and it doesn't matter how popular he gets because he will eventually say something that will turn off the moderates and independents. Then he will be an anchor around the necks of any GOP nominee.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 22, 2015 4:35 PM  

So let's take a poll! Everyone here who's a committed, church-going Christian, make yourselves known please?

Quit being a theology moron. Focus. Or shut up.

Anonymous Scintan July 22, 2015 4:44 PM  

Have people seen Eli Roth's comments?

I wanted to write a movie that was about modern activism. I see that a lot of people want to care and want to help, but in general I feel like people don’t really want to inconvenience their own lives. And I saw a lot of people just reacting to things on social media. These social justice warriors. ‘This is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.’ And they’re just tweeting and retweeting. They’re not actually doing anything. Or you see people get involved in a cause that they don’t really know a lot about and they go crazy about it. I wanted to make a movie about kids like that.

Apparently, Rape Ape will have to deal with the fact that "Social Justice Warrior" is in the mainstream now.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 22, 2015 5:21 PM  

So let's take a poll! Everyone here who's a committed, church-going Christian, make yourselves known please?

Quit being a theology moron. Focus. Or shut up.


Hey, don't blame me. Blame Nate! It was his idea!

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 5:26 PM  

Darby, Im familiar with Jewish Neo-Cons, they are former Leftists.

Sarah Palin is not a former Leftist nor is she Jewish. Neither is Dick Cheney.

Conseravite Hawks (Cold Warriors) predate Neocons...and Neocons are not a homogeneous group, regardless.

The term neocon has been warped mainly by the Left during the Bush Admin...into some boogeyman, which you have embraced. Im sorry that you embrace Marxist propaganda.

Good luck with that.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 5:34 PM  

Im a US Christian Populist Constitutionalist Tea Party Classical Liberal, SoCon & Defense Hawk with Libertarian leanings(sometimes called Fusionism)

Just like Sarah Palin.

Demonize away, fools.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 22, 2015 5:42 PM  

Hey, don't blame me. Blame Nate! It was his idea!

I read the thread. Nate didn't suggest people pipe up with "me too!" off-topic content-less spam.

Blogger Danby July 22, 2015 5:56 PM  

@EscapeVelocity
Im a US Christian Populist Constitutionalist Tea Party Classical Liberal, SoCon & Defense Hawk with Libertarian leanings(sometimes called Fusionism)

No, you're a fool.

I have no idea why you're so fucking angry. I never said SP was a neocon. I merely defined the term in the face of an idiot that denied it meant anything.. For what it's worth, I don't think she is a Neocon, though she does agree with them on foreign policy. For one particular thing, SP really is pro-life, as can be seen in her own life, and I've never met a real neo-con that gave more than lip service to being pro-life.

Neocon does NOT MEAN JEWISH! dammit, can we at least get that out of the way? It's not an ethnic group, it's a set of attitudes and policy positions. I do note that at first you denied the meaning of the term, and are now redefining it as "Jewish Conservative"
Also, stop smearing yourself with feces.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 6:39 PM  

Read the article Darby. Voxday says Sarah Palin is a neocon.

But Im done with your idiocy.

Anonymous Rick Johnsmeyer July 22, 2015 6:44 PM  

The "neocon" sobriquet is a bit vague these days, but they actually represent a cautionary example to movements such as GG, in terms of their influence in the realm of foreign policy over the past couple of decades.

Foreign-policy neoconservatism was distinguished from mere "hawkishness" by its endgame. Most neocon "thinkers" from Kristol pere on down adopted an "end of history" worldview similar to Kojeve's reading of Hegel. That gets way too abstruse for anything but a brief mention, but in real terms it meant that the neocons believed that:

1. Some type of universal democratic capitalism would become the prevailing and final political configuration of the world's nations (some thought, for that matter, nations themselves might eventually be abolished in favor of supranational structures)

2. It was America's special duty to use force (military and economic) to bring about the end of history.

This is adverse to traditional conservative foreign policy, especially since traditional conservatives did not begin with the premise that all peoples were "equal" in a manner that would even allow a universal governance of that sort. It seemed silly.

But the neocons aggressively wormed their way into the American political establishment through a range of creative subversions and co-optations. They remain so thoroughly lodged into the GOP establishment to this day that few "mainstream" Republicans are willing to go against them, even after the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles.

In that sense, the neocons have inoculated themselves against their own failures.

This has similarities to the collapse of the Tea Party (and yes, it's dead in any real sense, as much as that may irk its remaining true believers), which became a mere mouthpiece for various GOP interests.

Part of this was a puppyish desire to be liked, as silly as that sounds. But notice how ecstatic those "Tea Party" crowds became once mainstream figures began to notice and speak to them and heap praise upon them. People who claimed to have been "fed up" with the system were absolutely delighted once the system deigned to address them.

GG can avoid much of this simply by maintaining its cynical sarcastic tone and heaping mockery early and often on those who attempt to mollify or corral it into something more marketable. Rudeness is a virtue in the same way that weeds full of bitter fluid prevent themselves from being grazed by livestock. Palatability in a movement like this just means you get eaten.

Blogger VD July 22, 2015 7:16 PM  

Robert Stacey McCain isnt a "neocon" ursurper of #GamerGate.

Nobody said he was.

This attempt by Voxday to paint Tea Party conservatives has some kind of boogeyman for #GamerGate to shun merely weakens both, by preventing synergy between natural allies.

#GamerGate neither needs nor wants help from Tea Party conservatives. We don't trust them at all. But as long as they start taking on SJWs, we'll leave them alone.

I mean, you understand that most #GamerGaters ignore Sad Puppies too, right? It took a while before they were even willing to accept SP as allies. I don't think you understand either the paranoia or the depth of hatred that GG has for shills. A few on the Left even thought that I was a shill for a while due to the size of my blog and my focus on the broader SJW war, but most of them seem to accept that I am a genuine old school gamer now.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 22, 2015 7:23 PM  

njartist and nate,

I've slept in between the above posts.

1. if you can be a king and priest over your own home you can be that over a nation

2. There is no law, natural, spiritual, celestial edict that says Caesar has to be pagan/ anti Christ/ dumb/ pig ignorant / irrational/ stupid/ stupefied.

3. If I go to the football it's a Christian football match/ by my being there.

4. morality isn't subjective, local, relative - it's objectively based on absolute truth. The same truth that Jesus is, and this informs every topic, every topic.

5. If Paul was referring to a transitional phase, when is it over? When do stupefied masses have not more time?

6. If the flag isn't flying for Jesus, the nation is finished. IMHO.

7. Secularism is the grandest delusion of them all. It rides on pseudo scientific guff. And Noah got out. cheers Sir Hamster.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 22, 2015 7:27 PM  

in other words "state secularism" will rip your flesh to the bones - every time.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 22, 2015 7:32 PM  

Wow. I just wrote two lines and people go bananas. I don't think what I wrote was "defeatist", it was just a reality check.

I really don't think that anyone can have certainty about anything in war until its over so my question was just that a reality check.

Look, I just finished watching a video that Steve Sailor uploaded at his article The Coalition of the Fringes is Getting More Frayed which linked to this video: Top Orators in America

There is more to SJWism than just Gamergate and an email campaign. The money scene of that video is at the end where white men are jumping and smiling in glee over what I would describe as a disgrace, as barbarianism and just disgusting. I made my comments in reference to that. There is more going on and you guys think that you are winning? What are you winning at--when the culture is completely gone from what the video shows. None of you are university presidents, None of you are in charge of any important cultural making institutions. That video expresses more going on than Gamergate. SJWism doesn't exist in a vacuum and it is part and parcel of a larger meme which that video expresses.

And Soga writes this Wheeler, you theology moron!

Shut the fuck up already, you only chime in to tut-tut at Protestants or people falling to live up to your Spartan "ideals". Especially Protestants getting things done. And you just complain and complain.

Shut the hell up, you useless lunatic. Stop talking, start DOING.


Soga, you know nothing about me or my past history or what I have done or haven't done. You leap at something without any facts. Where you with me at Berea College in the mid-90s when I was fighting homosexuality and abortion on campus? Were you with me at all the campus trials I was dragged to because of my stands? Where you at the Battle Creek City Commission fighting the adoption of an anti-discrimination ordinance for homosexuals? Have you written a book about the evils of political correctness and what is all about and passed it out for free?

I am in the trenches. I am also a Marine Corps Veteran and I know how to conduct war. I am also very learned in the French Revolution and in the Spanish Civil War, all wars with leftists. By the way I would have been a Loyalist in the American Revolutionary War and I understand the source and cause of Leftism. Do you? You can't hold a candle to me Soga. I know from where I speak and I have a ton of experience in the trenches. Furthermore, your attack is nonsensical. I didn't pull up Catholicism or Protestantism so where are you coming from?

"A theology moron"? No, it is like you people are Wisdom deficient. You are all still full of errors. Can error fight error? No. So you don't know the first things and you certainly can't correct the error of Leftism. All you are doing is throwing up a wall. You are not changing anything. All you are doing is push-back. But solving the problem---that you can't do. Your push-back is somewhat successful. So--what? The culture is gone and you have no idea how to bring it back.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 8:18 PM  

Im Tea Party and came to GamerGate via Milo's first few posts about it at Breitbart.

People have been claiming the Tea Party dead, just like GamerGate.

None of these tactics used against GamerGate or new, nor were they new when used against the Tea Party.

Im a staunch US Conservative, with ties to PaleoCons & European Nationalists via the Counter-Jihad. I was Atheo-Libertariant when younger...then I wised up.

My problem with the neocons, is that they largely retain their social liberalism Whereas the Atheo-libertarians, disagree with them on Strong Military/Defense Hawkishness.

Anybody that thinks retreating from the world is gonna make us safer or more prosperous,is delusional. If you dont like war, then by retreating from the world, you guarantee the mother of all wars.

Im very familiar with neocons because they are the most vocal with regards to the Counter-Jihad..and Anti-Islamization which leads them directly to confronting Cultural Marxism.

Neocons arent the enemy of the West, they are imperfect, just like anybody else. Pissing all over your allies is a fools errand.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 22, 2015 8:25 PM  

Hey, don't blame me. Blame Nate! It was his idea!

I read the thread. Nate didn't suggest people pipe up with "me too!" off-topic content-less spam.


Hey, that's not true!! He dragged in the NFL, and accused them of all being Christians! The only way to fight that kind of calumny is to call for a vote!

(Admittedly...having too much fun antagonizing SirHamster. Sorry.)

Anonymous Rick Johnsmeyer July 22, 2015 8:44 PM  

"Anybody that thinks retreating from the world is gonna make us safer or more prosperous,is delusional."

Well hey, that's the attitude that got us into Iraq in 2003. The sort of thing that the early Tea Party very much opposed, before the mainstream GOP took it over.

If at first and at second and at third you don't succeed...

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 22, 2015 8:46 PM  

The Chinese proverb is "If you lie down with dogs, you will awake with fleas."

That saying points to a reality that will not go away.

Blogger Groot July 22, 2015 8:59 PM  

150. W.LindsayWheeler
"I would have been a Loyalist in the American Revolutionary War":

You would have been a Tory, fighting for the King and against liberty?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 22, 2015 9:44 PM  

Groot, Hell yes. And that is what I am getting at.

Your "against liberty" is a false construct. Like when President Bush said about 9/11: "They attacked us because of our liberties".

What insanity. I mean from Sean Hannity onwards this "Liberty". Life is not about "liberty". It is about survival. Not Liberty. They have you fooled.

America's Revolutionary War was based on the "Enlightenment". The "Enlightenment" was an Atheist cultural revolution. 2nd, the American Revolution was first called The Presbyterian War because it was a carryover from the English Civil Wars instigated by Scottish Presbyterians.

Why "Presbyterian"? They were anti-clerical. The term "Presbyterian" comes from the Greek meaning "priest". This form of Protestantism taught that all believers are priests and you didn't need formal, set-aside priests. (This is also a form of Leftism.) During the American Revolution, Anglican Churches were attacked just as government officials were attacked. It was very much a "Revolutionary" War!

See, America is a Novus Ordo which means that it is a new construct that has nothing to do with the Old Order. In the Old Order, it was about God and King. In the Novus Ordo, it is about "Liberty", which is really not concrete and can mean anything and then taken to the extreme. For the Atheist, Liberty means freedom from God. Where you think "liberty" is freedom from an authoritarian Church, the atheist thinks it means freedom from God. The term "liberty" means many things to many people. The American Novus Ordo is about basing a society on gaining this ephemeral "freedom". But that is not the traditional European idea of society. In no way shape or form.

See, Groot, your ideas are based on modern opinion developed out of the Enlightenment. As we can now see, it has been an abysmal failure. And every time anybody that starts on this "liberty" bandwagon, will be doomed to failure. Reality is not based on Liberty. Reality is based on War. That is why all societies of the Old Order were based on SURVIVING War.

Your idea of "liberty" is based on revolution. Not going to work ever. You are all still living the Protestant revolution. You are all still living in the "Enlightenment", semper engaging in revolution to attain your ephemeral "liberty".

Nevery going to happen. You are all still fighting the Catholic Church, so you are all revolutionary and leftist.

Anonymous Jeffrey Quick July 22, 2015 9:56 PM  

The Tea Party is alive and well and a pain in the ass of the Republican establishment, in Portage Co. OH at least.

Anonymous Joe July 22, 2015 9:59 PM  

@ Rick Johnsmeyer
"Well hey, that's the attitude that got us into Iraq in 2003."

Here's a straightforward explanation of the reasons that got us into Iraq in 2003.

I don't link it to argue about the Iraq War. If you don't agree with "foreign entanglements" in principle, then you won't support the reasons. Rather, I link it because the explanation is well cited so it offers an important lesson about SJWs. The gap between the actual reasons for the Iraq War and the SJW-based popular understanding of the Iraq War is instructive about the brazenness of 'SJWs always lie' and the effectiveness of their propaganda even when they openly contradict well known facts.

Even when the facts ought to speak for themselves, you can't take anything for granted versus SJWs.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 9:59 PM  

The idea of liberty within the framework of the US is based upon the Christian notion that man must be free to choose or reject God, he cannot be compelled by the state through the pearly gates.

Whatever liberty means to non Christians is irrelevant to the formation of the United States.

I see the NRx loons are here.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 22, 2015 10:01 PM  

Soga, tells me to fuck off.

Well, Soga, Were you Soga outside an ATF building protesting the tragedy of Waco? I was. Were you outside a library passing out information about Waco? I was. How many letters to the editor have you written Soga? I have written several to defend traditional values. Where have you been Soga?

Are you prepared to kill, Soga? Are you ready and have the know how to make the ATF or the FBI retreat from attacking a Patriot position?

And what happens on the other side? What is "winning"? Continue on with the American Constitution--which failed? Winning and you don't secure the institutions of education?

But a bigger point, What plan do you have on how to educate the children of a society that doesn't turn liberal? Can any of you MFs know that? I certainly don't but that is the basic reason why eventually, Generalismo Franco lost the Spanish Civil War. He may have won the physical war but he still lost the spiritual war when Spain turned leftist upon his death. Yea, the forces of reaction and tradition won the Spanish Civil War but lost 30 years later. Spain is a leftist hellhole.

Has anybody done a study of what happened in Spain? Has any lessons been learned from the failures of the traditionalists to keep Spain traditional? And you think you are winning the war against Cultural Marxism in Europe and in America?

Who needs to fuck off now?

Blogger Groot July 22, 2015 10:11 PM  

Ah, you are the enemy. I had suspected it.

Also, the Revolutionary War was much more complex than your portrayal. I recommend history reading. My favorite history of that era is a wonderful 4-volume work by Murray Rothbard, Conceived in Liberty. https://mises.org/profile/murray-n-rothbard They used to tar and feather you types, then confiscate your property, and evict you to Canada. Fun times.

The Enlightenment is the flowering of a philosophy based on liberty which served to argue against kings, nobility and concentrated state power in favor of natural rights such as freedom of speech, religion, and the other freedoms specified in our Bill of Rights. The radicals won the War, triumphed in writing our Constitution, and the result was America, the Industrial Revolution (along with England, our partner in freedom for quite a while), and things like the light bulb, the internal combustion and, well, modern civilization.

You are a primitive, like much of the world, and savagery would be your lot still, if not for those who fight you and your feudalistic ideas.

Anonymous Joe July 22, 2015 10:15 PM  

@VD
"as long as they start taking on SJWs, we'll leave them alone"

This.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 22, 2015 10:17 PM  

EscapeVelocity July 22, 2015 9:59 PM The idea of liberty within the framework of the US is based upon the Christian notion that man must be free to choose or reject God, he cannot be compelled by the state through the pearly gates.

Whatever liberty means to non Christians is irrelevant to the formation of the United States.

I see the NRx loons are here.


Escape Velocity, really? Who is ignorant here? Thomas Paine, as all acknowledge, was the main instigator and motivator for the American Revolution. He was an Atheist! And America is supposed to be Christian? What is an atheist doing in the American Revolution then?

Thomas Jefferson was a socianist, a socianist is one who denies the doctrine of the Trinity. Thomas Jefferson was a deist. Jefferson regarded Christianity as a tyranny over the mind of men. (Sora, Secret Societies, pg 173)

George Washington and all his generals under him were Freemasons. And America is about "Christianity"?

"Masonic influences started the war and Masonic connections tipped the balance toward the Revolutionary side. When the war was finally over, Masonry played the single most important role in creating the new nation." (ibid, pg 99)

So Exacting Velocity, from what perch do you preach from? Who is the ignorant sow now? To Thomas Jefferson, Liberty means Liberty from the Church. And God in Heaven is going Oh no, it isn't!

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 22, 2015 10:22 PM  

Groot, all the societies of the Old Order were based on Warrior societies. Because Life is War, not only from the outside but also from the inside. You had the King to beat off outside attackers and the Bishop to protect from the cancers within the body politic.

The purpose of the societies in Christendom, in the final stage, was the salvation of souls. Societies under Christendom was about that.

Of course you want to take history from a Libertarian and of course he will slant the history to fit his meme.

Blogger Groot July 22, 2015 10:31 PM  

163. W.LindsayWheeler
"Of more worth is one honest man to society, and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived." -- Thomas Paine
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/singlehtml.htm

Possibly the most consequential pamphlets ever written. Good stuff, and I recommend it.

Jefferson was quite eloquent about his ideals, as one can read in the Declaration of Independence (no mention of Faustus Socinus). He was quite proud of that, its authorship being one of three things he ordered onto his gravestone (not including being President). I highly recommend it, as well. You are lucky to have been the beneficiary of its principles, despite being unworthy and ungrateful.

Blogger Groot July 22, 2015 10:39 PM  

164. W.LindsayWheeler
"You had the King to beat off outside attackers"

You might want to re-word that. Sounds like Obama.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 23, 2015 5:29 AM  

Ohhh, Groot, the "crowned ruffians". Really.

The Natural Law is "The Rule of One is Best". The Real Original Natural Law guided the makeup of Christendom. Monarchy is part of the Natural Order, i.e. the Old Order. You need to read Eric Nelson's The Hebrew Republic, the Jewish transformation of the West. Thomas Paine in the beginning of his book Common Sense echoes the teaching of the Oliverian revolution when he, as an atheist, writes "Monarchy is idolatry". That's a Jewish teaching. That is NOT European. The revolutionaries of the English Civil Wars was about carrying thru Jewish teachings.

This is what Thomas Paine wrote in his book Agrarian Justice

“A revolution in the state of civilization is the necessary companion of revolutions in the system of government."
And
"It is a revolution in the state of civilization that will give perfection to the Revolution of France."
(Vincent, pgs. 143; 165)

Yes, the American and French Revolutions destroyed traditional European Western Culture and replaced it with Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism.

And I'm the enemy? No, I am a Traditional European, Groot.

See, the Virtue of Righteousness demands that I "Preserve ancestral customs and laws". That is what Virtue dictates.

You, Groot, are committing not only treason, but are full of Vice. You don't have Virtue. And how can you be "good" without Virtue? St. Peter said, "Supplement the Faith with Arete (Virtue)". Clearly you don't have that. Don't call yourself Good.

See, I don't read Paine at all to find "Good stuff". The first line of the Psalms read "Blessed is the man who has not walked in the counsel of the ungodly". Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson were the ungodly. The Bible says not to take the counsel of atheists and heretics.

On all counts, you are sadly mistaken. I am about preserving traditional European culture and Western Civilization. Modern republicanism destroyed all of that. So, what are you preserving? Jewish culture?

And we are supposed to make common cause with atheists?

Blogger VD July 23, 2015 5:33 AM  

Of course you want to take history from a Libertarian and of course he will slant the history to fit his meme.

You're a whining defeatist, Wheeler. That's why no one ever listens to you. The intelligent man would stop digging.

Do you not understand that "I will educate them and they will all rise up in outrage" doesn't work? Given your claim to be a superior student of history, it's fascinating to observe that you clearly don't get that.

Blogger VD July 23, 2015 5:35 AM  

Neocons arent the enemy of the West, they are imperfect, just like anybody else. Pissing all over your allies is a fools errand.

Neocons aren't our allies. And they are enemies of the West. They are actively working towards its destruction.

Blogger Ross Lumbus July 23, 2015 7:52 AM  

One thing I believe is important to consider. SJWs are Liberals, Progressive, Feminists, inclusive, or about social justice.

As long as you think of them in political terms, you are playing their game. What do I mean?

Do you honestly believe they are inclusive or promoting Inclusivity? Okay, "Liberal " ideas should by definition be open, accepting, flexible. They clearly aren't. Progressives? What do they progress? The Regress and stymie and destroy. Feminism is according to the dictionary about equality. Nothing about what they preach is anything but dismissive at best for one gender. As for social justice, are they feeding the impoverished? Helping out communities? No? They can rally together to cause a scientist his job or have games made for adults removed from store to prevent adults making their own decisions about what to buy.

These people are not anything they pretend to associate or identify with. They are zealous ideological bigoted con artists trying to gouge fandom and industries. Money and power are the motivation.

Don't view them through a political lens. It's mistake

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 23, 2015 2:29 PM  

I am a pessimist in my old age. Why blame me. I've been at this since the early nineties and I have seen loss after loss after loss. The Bible does prophecy the end. Human kind will be so degenerate that it is going to be impossible to turn around.

It is about reading reality. What victories in the last forty years? The Rhinos? The apostasy of the Catholic and Protestant Churches? Abortion on demand? Not only is homosexuality legal, now they can marry? Catholic Spain is now a leftist hellhole? Catholic Ireland voted homosexual same sex marriage? And I am not supposed to be a defeatist? When tons of white teenagers walk around like MTV ghetto rats with earings and pants down around their thighs---and I am to have hope? Not be a defeatist? I mean look around you. As you state, all the people you live around in Italy are socialist. The Greeks are socialists/communists. Europe is sunk, America is sunk. But somehow, I am supposed to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I don't see a light.

It says in Scripture, "My people are destroyed by the lack of knowledge". Hosea 4:6. I save who I can save. I do that with knowledge so people are not destroyed. That is one part of our warfare.

Successful war campaigning is about combination of arms. You have your rhetoric and I have my knowledge.

Scripture has it, Job 4:21 "They have perished for the lack of Wisdom". Wisdom is much needed. I take my cues from Scripture. I address those concerns in Scripture.

By the way V.D. the Spartans didn't stop fighting just because they were surrounded at Thermopylae. King Leonidas knew he was going to die as soon as he heard the prophecy. He still went and fought. Jesus Christ knew what was going to happen to him before he even entered the Virgin's womb. Just like them, I fight but I am still a pessimist.

Blogger SciVo July 23, 2015 4:11 PM  

@ Groot: You might want to re-word that. Sounds like Obama.

Oh, so that's his plan for pacifying the Persians. Well, he wouldn't be the first to take "foreign affairs" literally.

Blogger Benjamin McLean July 24, 2015 8:29 AM  

> "Given their own troubles with the SJW-dominated mainstream media, they should study and adopt its tactics, even though many of those tactics, such as the rejection of Narrative and central leadership, and the devotion to truth rather than spin, will be anathema to some of them."

Idiot. Those were conservative tactics long before #GamerGate was a thing. We've been fighting the insane "Social Justice" Left for decades and it's #GamerGate people who could learn a thing or two from conservatives.

Blogger Benjamin McLean July 24, 2015 8:51 AM  

However, conservatives do need to learn how entertainment matters to culture and get it to work for us. A hit song can be more important than a hundred political speeches. A film can be more important than an election. John Lennon was far more powerful than Vladimir Lenin.

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