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Sunday, July 19, 2015

Correction

Edd Jobs does not know whereof he speaks. He's also banned and spammed, for SJW-level ignorance and dishonesty.
Danby: It's sludge. Sewerage with cotton candy floating on top. It's badly written, extremely poorly thought out, and boring.

The N.K. Jemisin school of literary review.
No.

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This is the N.K. Jemisin school of literary review.

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Stranger in a Strange Land is racist as *fuck*.

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So is science fiction fandom.

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So are you.

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77 Comments:

Blogger Groot July 19, 2015 7:08 PM  

Civilization is racist.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 19, 2015 7:15 PM  

Can somebody explain to me what is supposedly "racist" about calling a darkie woman "half savage"?

More importantly, are these people not ashamed with their victimhood narrative despite the fact that darkies are considered a privileged class much like Samurai were in Edo period Japan?

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 19, 2015 7:42 PM  

@Tommy Hass

Since they reject the individual, all things are political, and all politics is identity politics:

Any criticism of any member of any protected group, unless that person has openly voted or spoken the wrong way themselves (called the Clarence Thomas Exception), is a criticism of the entire group.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 19, 2015 7:52 PM  

Martians are racist.

Anonymous Steve July 19, 2015 8:05 PM  

John C. Wright hit the nail on the head in his critique of Stranger In A Strange Land.

And I also liked that book as a boy.

Read through grown-up eyes, it's aged as poorly as that episode of Star Trek where they encounter the Space Hippies.

SIASL was ahead of its time, but only by a handful of years. Grokking the free love must've seemed far out, man! in the early 60's, but just seems naive and slightly embarrassing now. Less Rolling Stones, more The Transformed Man.

It's not Heinlein's best work, and has more in common with his more turgid later novels, like Time Enough For Love, than it does his classics, like The Door Into Summer or The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.

Interesting how authors tend to have certain recurring motifs, if that's the right word. The Dean seemed rather keen on various forms of polyamory. Dick was preoccupied with the reliability or otherwise of memories. Clarke had this sense of the strangeness and inhumanity of the universe, which perhaps reflected a misanthropic streak in him.

Tom Kratman's books often include crucifixion and blowjobs, though never in the same scene. I'm not complaining. I like receiving blowjobs from sexy women and crucifying the bad guys as much as the next red-blooded male, and seeing the words "Tom Kratman" on the cover trigger my Pavlovian book-buying habit. I'm just saying: motifs.

Apparently George Rape Rape Martin really, really, really likes rape.

So anyway, Heinlein was a bit of a rake, hence him getting married to three different Mrs Heinleins - though, perhaps in deference to square 20th century American mores, perhaps out of realisation how miserable it would be to be stuck with multiple nagging wives - not at the same time.

SIASL is an interesting book, partly because even Heinlein's lesser works are breezy and fun, partly because it's chock-full of horribly dated bad ideas that no doubt seemed new and radical at the time, 50-odd years ago, when it was written.

If you've ever peeled off a few layers of wallpaper in your house, or looked at old colour photos of Christmases long ago, and come across trippy green-and-purple swirly patterns on the walls that simulate Dave Bowman throwing up in his space helmet after being exposed to too much psychedelia, and think to yourself why did people think this was a good idea?... Stranger In A Strange Land evokes a similar reaction.

Which isn't entirely Heinlein's fault. It was written in a different, and in some ways better and more innocent time. And we'll always have that door into summer.

Blogger macengr July 19, 2015 8:08 PM  

@Steve, I'll probably get laughed at for saying this, but I liked Friday. I knew it was totally unrealistic, but it was mindless mind-candy for a couple hours reading. Well, when I was in my twenties, it seems even sillier to me now.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 19, 2015 8:12 PM  

Stranger in a Strange Land is racist as *fuck*. ...So is science fiction fandom.

Its also hoplophobic & lacks strong empowered women.

Anonymous The other robot July 19, 2015 8:14 PM  

Tom Kratman's books often include crucifixion and blowjobs,

Curiously, The Revolution from Rosinante also included blow jobs.

It had other features though, including anti-Darwin conservatives with access to cruise missiles and nukes, which must be a progressive's wet dream.

Blogger Groot July 19, 2015 8:16 PM  

Gorillas aren't considered monkeys, because they lack tails, but are apes, instead. It's just that everybody is trying desperately not to think of the topic.

Anonymous The other robot July 19, 2015 8:22 PM  

OT, but Walmart sells books ... if you are pissed at Amazon ...

Blogger VD July 19, 2015 8:23 PM  

You're banned and spammed, Edd Jobs. Don't come back.

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 19, 2015 8:26 PM  

Completely OT, but..... how did this story not get a mention?

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/taxpayers-continue-spend-millions-find-out-why-lesbians-are-fat

WATYF

Blogger VD July 19, 2015 8:29 PM  

Completely OT, but..... how did this story not get a mention?

Because it's boring. How many "government wastes money" stories do you ever see here? I have zero interest in them.

It's far from the most dangerous use of federal money. I wish 100 percent of federal spending was on lesbian obesity. That would be a relative paradise.

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 19, 2015 8:38 PM  

I meant for the "lesbians are 25% more likely to be obese" angle, not the "govt wastes money angle". I figured there had to be a way to work Doritos into that one.

WATYF

Anonymous Steve July 19, 2015 8:40 PM  

macengr - Nothing wrong with enjoying Friday.

Even if there was, I'm in no position to criticise. I liked Rama II.

The other robot - there aren't enough blowjobs in science fiction.

I'm glad Asimov never wrote about them though. They'd have been delivered by some sort of creepy positronic sexbot. Or a vacuum terminal attached to Multivac, where you had to furtively insert your magnetic tape and meat-lightsaber, in that order.

Anonymous Jeffrey Quick July 19, 2015 8:46 PM  

The biggest problem with Stranger from my PoV is that it inspired the career of neopagan polyamory activist and sometime unicorn breeder Tim Zell.

Blogger AmyJ July 19, 2015 8:52 PM  

"Can somebody explain to me what is supposedly "racist" about calling a darkie woman "half savage"?"

It's only racist to those who haven't YouTube'd "Chuckee Cheese fight". Viewing a few dozen of those videos would clear the air immensely.

Anonymous BGS July 19, 2015 8:53 PM  

Completely OT, but..... how did this story not get a mention? http://www.mrctv.org/blog/taxpayers-continue-spend-millions-find-out-why-lesbians-are-fat

That's old news they found the answer. Lesbians are willing to sue for not getting wedding cakes.

Anonymous The other robot July 19, 2015 9:04 PM  

I agree that Stranger in a Strange Land was boring.

Blogger luagha July 19, 2015 9:11 PM  

The lesbians-are-fat story is also shooting fish in a barrel for this blog.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 July 19, 2015 9:25 PM  

> Edd Jobs does not know whereof he speaks. He's also banned and spammed, for SJW-level ignorance and dishonesty.

I can hardly wait until those sentences start with Here lies

Only metaphorically, of course. I have nothing but love and good feelings for Mr. Jobs.

Anonymous A. Nonymous July 19, 2015 9:25 PM  

Can somebody explain to me what is supposedly "racist" about calling a darkie woman "half savage"?

I suspect that some would say Turks aren't much better, Tommy.

Anonymous DavidKathome July 19, 2015 9:25 PM  

Hey Edd Jobs, don't let the door hit your fat ass on the way out.

Blogger Feather Blade July 19, 2015 9:33 PM  

Can somebody explain to me what is supposedly "racist" about calling a darkie woman "half savage"?

Because she, IIRC by her own admission, regards herself as full-savage, so his failure to give her full credit for her savagery does not acknowledge the fullness of her self-identity

Therefore, racist.

Anonymous Viidad July 19, 2015 9:42 PM  

The Turks ain't half bad, A Nonymous.

If you like drinking coffee, smoking lots of cigarettes and talking philosophy, hang out with a Turk. Islam may have taken over their culture... but they are still a people all to themselves.

OpenID malcolmthecynic July 19, 2015 10:01 PM  

I have read one Heinlein, and I thought it was great - "Starship Troopers". I never would have known it was a juvenile, except for the extraordinarily tame portrayal of Rico's romance. It was hardly mentioned and spoken of in the most innocent of terms possible. Otherwise, it was pretty indistinguishable from an adult book.

The description of the final battle scene is alone worth the price of the book. Masterfully done. Loved the big reveal too.

Blogger Groot July 19, 2015 10:05 PM  

Only SJWs work in Edd Jobs, anyway.

Anonymous Wyrd July 19, 2015 10:24 PM  

*Points finger at finger*

Suck it long, and suck it hard.

Blogger David-2 July 19, 2015 11:16 PM  

I liked SIASL as a kid, but I wouldn't read it again. Still, one thing has been firmly stuck in my brain for the last 45 years: "This side of the barn is red." (Or maybe white, whatever. The point is the "this side of the barn".)

Anonymous Despair July 19, 2015 11:32 PM  

I bought SIASL and couldn't make it past the second chapter. I thought I was being a book snob. I'm glad to find out it's not that good.

Anonymous Wyrd July 20, 2015 12:00 AM  

'Stranger in a Strange Land is racist as *fuck*.'

Yep, yep, yep, wondering about the pale-face dialogue.

Anonymous A. Nonymous July 20, 2015 2:00 AM  

The Turks ain't half bad, A Nonymous.

If you like drinking coffee, smoking lots of cigarettes and talking philosophy, hang out with a Turk.


Not while they continue to occupy Constantinople.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 20, 2015 2:32 AM  

I can't see I can recall a single instance where explicit sex really fit in a science fiction book. It is usually pasted in there and gets me wondering about the author, whoever they are.

I like Jerry Pournelle's approach to have it take place "off screen". Niven of course didn't follow that and some of their collaborations have Niven's flaws.

As if his Known Space books were really improved with all the sex, including between species.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 20, 2015 2:32 AM  

I can't see I can recall a single instance where explicit sex really fit in a science fiction book. It is usually pasted in there and gets me wondering about the author, whoever they are.

I like Jerry Pournelle's approach to have it take place "off screen". Niven of course didn't follow that and some of their collaborations have Niven's flaws.

As if his Known Space books were really improved with all the sex, including between species.

Blogger Jim July 20, 2015 2:47 AM  

I can't see I can recall a single instance where explicit sex really fit in a science fiction book. It is usually pasted in there and gets me wondering about the author, whoever they are.

I remember as a young teen reading Rendezvous with Rama, loving it, and immediately bought the next two. And because of that, I shall always avoid any book co-authored by Gentry "Insert the Beads" Lee.

Anonymous Bz July 20, 2015 4:17 AM  

Jemisin was a speaker at some Wiscon some time back. Here is a travel report to Wiscon 2008, with pictures: http://web.archive.org/web/20080924081137/http://sass.buttes.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=19144&p=1

Blogger Danby July 20, 2015 4:46 AM  

I just love that I called Edd a c**ksucker and he thanked me for it. Best trollage in a couple of weeks.

Anonymous Steve July 20, 2015 5:43 AM  

Bz - thank you! That is a brilliant report.

WisCon does seem - even by the chubulent, autistical, Dorito-dusted standards of science fiction conventions - to be the Great Attractor of fail.

It was at Wiscon that this chap lay in his bed, crying and eating, while his he-she pal got trans-raped by a lesbian.

What with all the flabberwockies and the social justice and the rapin', I'm surprised G R R Martin doesn't attend WisCon every year.

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski July 20, 2015 6:28 AM  

"I remember as a young teen reading Rendezvous with Rama, loving it, and immediately bought the next two."

I have made the same mistake. I suppose Lee was also responsible for breaking "Cradle" That could have been great novel: crashed alien ship, Spanish treasure, etc. But we also got lesbian kisses and story of erotic fascinations of middle-age US Navy officer.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 20, 2015 6:49 AM  

"I can't see I can recall a single instance where explicit sex really fit in a science fiction book. "

Really? All rapes should take place off screen, even if you want to evoke a particular reaction in the reader? Who knew?

Another legitimate reason to include sex is because of what it can say about people and, expressly, your characters.

And then there are opening lines like: "The traditional Christmas orgy was in full swing on the hangar deck." Do you have a more efficient and better way of illustrating that the ship around that hangar deck, and the society that sent the ship out, is decadent, rotten to the core, and a perfectly predictable offspring of Strauss-Kahn, tranzis, in general, the intellectual class and their running dogs, the intelligentsia?

Will that piss some people off? Yes. Fuck 'em.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 20, 2015 7:16 AM  

The Turks ain't half bad, A Nonymous.

Ain't half good either, though.

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski July 20, 2015 7:28 AM  

"I can't see I can recall a single instance where explicit sex really fit in a science fiction book."

OK, maybe there are some books where this is not true, but generally would prefer less sex scenes in SF. Most authors I've read don't know how to write them. Besides place taken by mechanistic sex descriptions could be used for space engineering details, space battles and interesting science trivia.

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 20, 2015 8:13 AM  

"Will that piss some people off? Yes. Fuck 'em."

Considering what came before it, that advice seems kinda contradictiory ...

Blogger Tom Kratman July 20, 2015 8:47 AM  

You would prefer, maybe, "Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck"?

Anonymous Sam the Man July 20, 2015 8:56 AM  

I had never thought of what Mr. Kratman said in post # 40, but its true, a line like that would be a very effective way of establishing that some of the ground rules of the fiction society were far different from that we currently live in.

Anonymous Steve July 20, 2015 10:05 AM  

The traditional WisCon orgy was at full swing in the ballroom.

The floor - reinforced for the event by a team of experts from Milwaukee County Zoo - nevertheless audibly protested under the combined tonnage of the participants.

It was a kaleidoscope of grotesquerie. Here, a tangle of sweaty tatooed limbs, rippling like a ball of morbidly obese annelids. There, a knot of bearded shemales, gleefully grinding against the mobility scooters of creatures of indeterminate sex.

The air was dank with sweat and errant motes of body glitter. Flashes of rainbow coloured hair and glistening facial piercings glimmered in the mirk.

It was a sight that would have driven a cryptozoologist insane.

"What a wretched hive of cum and queefery", declared a languid Teutonic voice.

On these words a shaft of light penetrated the ballroom, as strong and hard as if Sol Invictus himself had put his rape-hat on. There was a cacophony of shrieks, moans, and squealing tyres as panicked WisConners hastened away from the hateful sunlight.

They turned as one, watery eyes blinking and straining to resolve the image of the person who had so rudely opened the door.

There he stood, silhouetted in the doorway, dressed in a leather trenchcoat and wearing a fez at a jaunty angle. He was smiling.

"Allow me to introduce myself, schwulhunden. My name is Herr Doktor Hass. You may call me... Herr Doktor."

"Y-you're a man!" spat a she-twink, xer ironic hipster glasses misting with anger. "This is a safer space! Get out!"

The Doktor's smile remained, but his eyes were grave.

"You there, fettes schwein. What did I just tell you about how to properly address me?"

The WisConnites gasped and shrank back in fear as Hass reached deliberately inside his trenchcoat, but their momentary terror abated when they saw what had appeared in his hand. It was a small, ornate oil lamp.

"What are you going to do?" piped up the she-twink. "Rescue Princess Jasmine? Go away, you silly man!" she added, her voice acid with mockery.

Hass didn't seem to be listening. He was rubbing the lamp and uttering strange words in a guttural language. The she-twink was taking tentative steps towards him when - suddenly - there was a puff of rich purple smoke and a flash of emerald green light.

"Behold, my djinni!" declared the Doktor, triumphantly.

The smoke cleared to reveal an enormous being, thickly muscled and carrying a cruel-looking curved sword. He was brilliant and painful to look at, as if made of fire. Unlike Hass, the djinni was not smiling.

"Djinni, teach this bauchmonster proper manners, please."

The djinni didn't appear to move. In an instant, he was towering over the cowering she-twink, raised his sword with a growl, and... seized her iPhone.

"W-what are you doing?" cried the she-twink, her front-butt quivering with emotion.

"Deleting your Tumblr, your Twitter, your Facebook, and your Deviantart accounts." replied the creature from the lamp, in a bored voice.

"He's from India," explained Hass, proudly. "They're quite good at IT".

"Noooooooo!", wailed the she-twink, rocking in a foetal position.

"Now, enough with the pleasantries." declared Doktor Hass. "I came here for the brainless bug. Give her to me now."

At the back of the room, the brainless bug attempted to flee the ballroom. But the djinni was on her in a flash, dragging her elaphantine bulk towards Hass as if she weighed only 300 lbs.

"Naughty, naughty, Miss Tempest Bradford!" chided the Doktor, his wicked smile returning. He put one black leather gloved hand on her enormous undulating carapace and sensed...

"It's afraid, djinni! It's afraid!"

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 20, 2015 10:08 AM  

I'm uneasy with Vox's decision to totally eject Edd Jobs. Yes, this is private property, and yes he can do anything he wants here (and yes, my job as a VFM is not to think). Still though...

Considering the internecine flame wars and extreme personal insults regularly lofted here, I'm not sure Jobs deserves ejectment. If he was an SJW troll, certainly. But he didn't seem to be SJW. And John Wright easily defends himself, regularly giving more than he gets. And outre opinions are regularly tolerated here, so...I'm just not sure totally banning Jobs is justified in this instance.

Sorry.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 20, 2015 10:20 AM  

For those experiencing faintness over explicit sex scenes in science fiction books, I refer you to John Ringo, particularly the Paladin of Shadows series. Col. Kratman, you're exempted. You don't seem to need any smelling salts.

And lest any of you shrink back like vampires confronted with a garlic crucifix, Ringo is one of us.

Blogger bob k. mando July 20, 2015 10:27 AM  

33. Brad Andrews July 20, 2015 2:32 AM
As if his Known Space books were really improved with all the sex, including between species.



furries are Niven's fault.

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski July 20, 2015 10:36 AM  

Paladin of Shadows...

Oh no John Ringo, NO!

This was seriously strange book. I've got as far as Caribbean yacht-cruise, then I gave up. It became to strange for me. From what I have heard author was exorcising some internal demons by writing this novel.

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski July 20, 2015 10:40 AM  

@bob k. mando

I wanted to read about a man mentioned on the beginning of "Ringworld" - he went on a suicidal revenge attack against Kiznti Patriarch's harem. Instead I've got more rishathra, the most boring practice in Known Space.

Anonymous BGS July 20, 2015 10:55 AM  

That WisCon article told me something I didn't know:

1.that fat lesbians often jump up into the air and hit their bellies together as a form of foreplay.

2.One of the panelists at some point brings out these giant, supported black fabric-covered wedges called "faciliators". Apparently they are cushions that can be be adjusted to "facilitate" fat on fat sex, when, for instance, the bellies would otherwise squish together so much that normal penetration may not be possible.

3. This is what a feminist looks like.This is Eileen. She is 400 pounds of tension release. She is bodacious. The name of her massage parlor even has the word "Bodacious" in it.

4.If you can't read the bottom there, it says
Plus Sizes
L to 10X

10X?? It goes up to ten!?

Blogger Alexander July 20, 2015 10:58 AM  

A special type of immorality: WisCon sin.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 20, 2015 11:20 AM  

After about his third comment, I assumed Edd was Tad, or if not Tad, then one of the other regular banned-but-can't-stay-away trolls.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 20, 2015 11:24 AM  

A bit sensitive Tom?

I just noted I couldn't recall a time it really fit. I don't really want to read about the orgy on the carrier either, so I suppose I shouldn't read the books of yours I have bought.

I am not sure exactly what point getting into detail on the sex on the carrier would add though, even conceptually. It was debauchery. Got it. You can establish that without much explicit sexual description.

The blowjob comment earlier was the only connection with you. I have read plenty of science fiction outside your writings. Don't personalize this too much.

I don't recall any explicit sex in the Hugo story, though I did not engage much with the story, so maybe it was later on.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 20, 2015 11:25 AM  

A bit sensitive Tom?

I just noted I couldn't recall a time it really fit. I don't really want to read about the orgy on the carrier either, so I suppose I shouldn't read the books of yours I have bought.

I am not sure exactly what point getting into detail on the sex on the carrier would add though, even conceptually. It was debauchery. Got it. You can establish that without much explicit sexual description.

The blowjob comment earlier was the only connection with you. I have read plenty of science fiction outside your writings. Don't personalize this too much.

I don't recall any explicit sex in the Hugo story, though I did not engage much with the story, so maybe it was later on.

Anonymous A. Nonymous July 20, 2015 11:39 AM  

Really? All rapes should take place off screen, even if you want to evoke a particular reaction in the reader? Who knew?

J.R.R. Tolkien, for starters.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 20, 2015 1:58 PM  

Brad, I'm really not sure what the fuck you're talking about. I'm not sure you do, either.

Try this: it is not prima facie evidence of sensitivity to illustrate, explain, or correct. However, since playing the "stop being so sensitive" card is an SJW mainstay, and since projecting is, for them a way of life, I'll just have to assume that you're and SJW, one who is deeply offended and projecting.

Maybe you should not be so sensitive.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 20, 2015 2:02 PM  

He knew something was an absolute rule, AN? Who knew that? Who knew that Parliament gave him the authority to set absolute rules?

In any case, there ARE no rules in this but, "does it work in general for the author's purpose?" If you, personally, don't like that, don't read my book.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 20, 2015 2:11 PM  

Too late! I ready read it. Liked it. Fuck'em. I don't care.

Anonymous A. Nonymous July 20, 2015 2:14 PM  

He knew something was an absolute rule, AN? Who knew that? Who knew that Parliament gave him the authority to set absolute rules?

I don't think Parliament was so much his authority as his Catholicism, TK.

Blogger bob k. mando July 20, 2015 2:15 PM  

47. VFM bot #188 July 20, 2015 10:08 AM
If he was an SJW troll, certainly. But he didn't seem to be SJW.



SJW is not simply a political orientation. there are those on the nominal 'right' who use these tactics as well.

Edd is only one of the more recent ones.

veterans will remember that Taylor was also always trying to play the victim card and arguing via aspersion and 'how dare you disagree with me'.

Blogger bob k. mando July 20, 2015 3:07 PM  

40. Tom Kratman July 20, 2015 6:49 AM
Really? All rapes should take place off screen, even if you want to evoke a particular reaction in the reader? Who knew?


a - the particular reaction invoked in the reader is going to be highly dependent on the culture they're from. the obvious exception would be kaffir girls being raped; muslims view this as a moral good.

b - you might describe the sex act with one intent but actually evoke something wildly different, even in those who nominally share your culture. i read a Wilbur Smith book a while back in which a white serving girl was anally raped by her master. now her master, being an obvious antagonist ( practically had a Snidely moustache ), the only vibe i was picking up was that Wilbur was beating off while he was writing that section.

others who would have wildly varying responses, REGARDLESS OF YOUR INTENT, would be revelers on Folsom Street:
http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/

or jerked over Amish who happened to pick up a skiffy book.

c - you're seriously going to set yourself against some of the all time masters of literature by demanding to violate modesty in order to set some supposed mood?


note that i'm not saying that this is a tool that you cannot use.

i'm just pointing out that by getting too much into the mechanical details of the act, you actually ghettoize yourself to within the boundaries of Western culture that you inhabit yourself.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 20, 2015 3:30 PM  

Tom,

Brad, I'm really not sure what the fuck you're talking about. I'm not sure you do, either.

I know what I am talking about. It is there in black and white. It may not be the truth across every bit of science fiction, but it is an accurate statement.

I did ask Jerry Pournelle about it a long time ago and he noted the "off the scene" comment, which made more sense to me. Many authors seem to find it is necessary and you are clearly one of them. So what?

Blogger VD July 20, 2015 3:42 PM  

I'm uneasy with Vox's decision to totally eject Edd Jobs. Yes, this is private property, and yes he can do anything he wants here (and yes, my job as a VFM is not to think). Still though...

Ahem. Report to Malwyn, 188

Considering the internecine flame wars and extreme personal insults regularly lofted here, I'm not sure Jobs deserves ejectment. If he was an SJW troll, certainly. But he didn't seem to be SJW. And John Wright easily defends himself, regularly giving more than he gets. And outre opinions are regularly tolerated here, so...I'm just not sure totally banning Jobs is justified in this instance.

I know a troll when I see one. He was a troll. No genuinely new commenter comments like that.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 20, 2015 4:49 PM  

No, Brad, the "sensitive"comment. That was so devoid of basis in reality that, again, I have no idea what the fuck you were talking about and doubt you knew, yourself.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 20, 2015 4:50 PM  

Bob, go read the rape in Caliphate and try to convince yourself I didn't get precisely the effect I wanted on readers in the overwhelming majority of the cases.

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 20, 2015 7:25 PM  

Heh. Youse guys........

Blogger bob k. mando July 20, 2015 9:14 PM  

67. Tom Kratman July 20, 2015 4:50 PM
Bob, go read the rape in Caliphate



see, people?

THIS is how you do marketing.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion July 21, 2015 3:37 AM  

Dear Tom Kratman,

Thank you for writing The Watch on the Rhine, which is very high on my all-time top ten list.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 21, 2015 7:42 AM  

Well, sort of marketing at two or three removes, Bib, since Caliphate's a free download.

EFM, no sweat; it was fun.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 21, 2015 7:50 AM  

Apologies, "Bob."

Blogger Alexander July 21, 2015 11:05 AM  

You may be delighted to know that it's because of the SJWs that I read Rhine (and subsequently, the entire Posleen series). It was all the cries of KRATMAN BELIEVES THE SS WERE MISUNDERSTOOD SUPERHEROES... while mentioning the book but without giving any specifics that actually supported the claim that made me consider, "What's Kratman said to twist their tits this time?"

Course, reading the book made it very clear why they never actually quote it when slandering you...

Blogger Tom Kratman July 21, 2015 11:11 AM  

Course.

Blogger richard mcenroe July 22, 2015 12:17 AM  

Um... "Sewerage?"

Blogger richard mcenroe July 22, 2015 12:32 AM  

Watch On the Rhine was the feel-good book of 2005. Dead Alien Monstrosities, dead Nazis, dead Proglodytes, dead State Department Scum... what's not to like?

Blogger Tom Kratman July 22, 2015 9:23 AM  

Horse blankets made out of little blonde Polish girl scalps?

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