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Friday, July 31, 2015

#GamerGate is far from over

When I think about how much I used to love going to CGDC in Santa Clara, this news just infuriates me.
UBM Tech Game Network, the organizers of the Game Developers Conference 2016, are now accepting submissions to present lectures, roundtables, panels, posters and tutorials through Thursday, August 27th.

Now entering its landmark 30th edition, GDC is expanding its Advisory Board, which reviews and refines submissions for the event, by welcoming pioneering developer Amy Hennig to help guide the content of the show....

GDC is the world's largest and longest-running event serving professionals dedicated to the art and science of making games, hosting thousands of game developers from around the world for a week of learning, networking and inspiration. GDC 2016 will take place March 14th-18th at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco, California.

For the main conference, the GDC Advisory Board is considering session submissions for seven tracks: Audio, Design, Production, Programming, Visual Arts, and the Business, Marketing & Management track,  as well as a track on Advocacy, which covers social issues from diversity to quality of life.
Amy Hennig isn't the problem. She's no Social Justice Cabbage Patch Kid like Sarkeesian or Alexander, she's a longtime dev and she knows what she's doing, having been responsible for the Legacy of Kain and Uncharted series. What is infuriating is the fact that the conference organizers added a track on "Advocacy, which covers social issues from diversity to quality of life." Which, you'll note, is something that directly interferes with "the art and science of making games".

Both GDC and GDCE already have the huge problem of having largely been taken over by the shills and the marketeers. I've actually heard of talks that have been rejected because the technology isn't implemented in a game yet. Back in the day, learning about new technology and techniques is exactly what we went to CGDC for! No wonder fewer and fewer senior designers and developers are attending, what is the point if you can't learn about new tech ahead of time and you're going to get lectured by clueless non-developers about putting their politics in your games?

I've designed six games this year, have three development, and will ship two. And I have less than zero professional interest in anything even remotely related to social issues.

I hope the baleful eye of #GamerGate will turn on the UBM Tech Game Network and make it clear that the game industry is no place for Advocacy.

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92 Comments:

Anonymous Fp July 31, 2015 5:21 AM  

Vox this is territory to be taken you should go and schedule a meet up like in Paris for the Ilk. Beau is in that city as well.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P July 31, 2015 6:02 AM  

Well, UBM and Gamasutra (of Leigh Alexander / Gamers are Dead infamy) are intrinsically linked, so Id expect nothing less tbh.

That said, by putting Advocacy into its own stream is possibly a great idea, if those themes are then removed from the other streams entirely. But I wouldn't put money on it.

Anonymous Say What? July 31, 2015 6:06 AM  

> That said, by putting Advocacy into its own stream is possibly a great idea

Good Day, Sir.

Blogger elguapo July 31, 2015 6:16 AM  

I said Good Day!

Blogger Jack Ward July 31, 2015 6:48 AM  

@2 Kryten

I can see where Kryten is going. There are two ways to look at this. One is that having advocacy in its own tract will keep it separate and distinct from the others. Advantage: the developers just don't attend 'advocacy.' The danger is that 'advocacy' will bleed over into the others. The sjw's will push this hard. If it can be made to stay separate there may be hope.

Two: Advocacy runs rampant through this conference and you might as well not attend. But, there may be some game to be had here. What if the advocacy tract can be subverted and made to look so ridiculous that its laughed out of town? Might be kind of interesting, assuming that the conference rules and procedures allow something like this.

I wonder if the conference promoters may have had something like this in mind by making 'advocacy' a titular separate? Maybe they had no choice but to do something or else. If 'advocacy' is made the scape goat, real or imagined, for the failing of the conference they may be hoping for a future cleansing of anything that resembles 'advocacy.'

Pure speculation on my part, not being a gamer or designer [obviously] but, as in Puppies the possibilities are interesting. If anyone has the time to use on the effort.l

Anonymous Stephen J. July 31, 2015 6:48 AM  

If you can't cure a disease immediately, quarantine is a good intermediate step.

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 31, 2015 7:02 AM  

advocators are going to advocate. I don't think it is possible to quarantine them. If no one shows up to their lectures they are going to find a way to get their messages into the lectures people are attending.

Anonymous Laz July 31, 2015 7:44 AM  

"...make it clear that the game industry are no place for Advocacy."

- industries are
- industry is

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 31, 2015 7:49 AM  

how delusional are people who want to take over even virtual space? Having ruined reality, see Dearborn Michigan etc etc, they want to repeat inside of virtual worlds.
And you think your dreams, memories, thought life won't be next?
NOAA weren't satisfied with real data from the real world. Do you think Advocacy want to stop at your creative output and declare cease fire after a scorched earth gaming industry?
It's not just your flesh, they want your mind, soul, future and children, and memories.. If that doesn't cross the line, if that isn't their undoing, it's inevitably your's.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 July 31, 2015 7:51 AM  

Have you people learned nothing over the past year?

The Advocacy Track should be aborted and its parts sold to scientists for research purposes

Blogger FALPhil July 31, 2015 7:54 AM  

The Advocacy Track should be aborted and its parts sold to scientists for research purposes

DING! DING! DING!
We have a winner!

Anonymous Roundtine July 31, 2015 7:58 AM  

That said, by putting Advocacy into its own stream is possibly a great idea, if those themes are then removed from the other streams entirely.

Well, this would definitely work if the room they held it in was the kitchen, and the agenda was sandwich making and cake baking. That would be the end of it.

OpenID mattse001 July 31, 2015 8:00 AM  

I attended Phoenix ComicCon recently and noticed all the SJW panels. It seemed like an outlet for all the intersectionalists from the university; I don't remember a single panel that could be referred to as "conservative," but about 10% of the panels were hard leftist.
I think this is another example of the field being ceded for lack of interest. Who on our side has the inclination to go touring to the Cons to make such speeches?

Anonymous Wojciech Majda July 31, 2015 8:13 AM  

"
I've designed six games this year, have three development, and will ship two."

Can you say the titles, or because you are a controversial person, people who you work for (assuming you work for someone) or cooperate with prefer you to be quite about your contribution?

Anonymous Knarf July 31, 2015 8:29 AM  

> What is infuriating is the fact that the conference organizers added a track on "Advocacy, which covers social issues from diversity to quality of life."

Just because they added the track, that doesn't mean anyone will go to the panels. In fact a really clever conference organizer might schedule Advocacy track panels directly opposite the good ones, so that Advocates can go off into their own little space and have a nice circle-jerk together, thus reducing their interference in the good panels.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 31, 2015 8:35 AM  

Have you people learned nothing over the past year?

The Advocacy Track should be aborted and its parts sold to scientists for research purposes


True. You don't try to "isolate" it on the beachhead. You drive it back into the sea. You crush and dismember it without regard to preserving more valuable body parts for sale.

And you do it very loudly and publicly. (BTW, how amazing is the durability of the msm blackout of the abortion videos? Thank God for Fox and the Internet, or SJW lies would relegate it to urban myth.)

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 31, 2015 8:36 AM  

Have you people learned nothing over the past year?

The Advocacy Track should be aborted and its parts sold to scientists for research purposes


True. You don't try to "isolate" it on the beachhead. You drive it back into the sea. You crush and dismember it without regard to preserving more valuable body parts for sale.

And you do it very loudly and publicly. (BTW, how amazing is the durability of the msm blackout of the abortion videos? Thank God for Fox and the Internet, or SJW lies would relegate it to urban myth.)

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 31, 2015 9:10 AM  

Burn them out of the nest immediately.

Anonymous 0007 July 31, 2015 9:22 AM  

"Advocacy Track should be aborted and its parts sold...", but - as that other group said, only for enough to pay for costs, yeah, sure fine...

Blogger Fatherless July 31, 2015 9:27 AM  

The Advocacy Track started in 2014 and is held in its own corridor, as is each track. They tend to preach to their own choir.

The danger is the impression that SJMism is the majority and people are made afraid to offer non-SJW opinions in private conversation.

Outside the Moscone Center is the Buena Yerba Gardens, a public park where devs congregate during the conference to network and socialize. Oftentimes meetups are held there for groups that don't get on the GDC bill.

Non-SJWs should host a counter conference on the grass, where there will be diversity of opinion and where GDC won't get a dime.

Anonymous PeeGee85/GeneralWang July 31, 2015 9:39 AM  

We shouldnt want to silence them or ban them, that would just be playing into their hands. As gamers we shouldnt say that we won't allow any criticism or debate at all, that is exactly how they want us to look to the outside world, as intolerant assholes. We should just let the market do its work and let them die off by themselves. Let them have their little talk so that it can be seen that ppl don't care about them or don't agree with them (and that they are radical nuts, like Sarkeesian demonstrated at E3).

Just let the market do its work and let them whither and die by themselves, if you try to "kill" them you'll just inflame the wound and spread the infection further. The best way to fight issues like this (sexism etc) that have been blown way out of proportion is simply by marginalising them.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 31, 2015 9:55 AM  

I think one reason #GamerGate woke up so many people is that it revealed that SJWs are everywhere and far more entrenched that anyone guessed. It wasn't just that they'd taken over a few game review web sites and were giving their SJW friends good reviews here and there; when the word went out to protect Zoe Quinn, all the review sites fell into line. And it even went beyond the review sites, with forums like 4chan -- which people assumed was anti-SJW and rabidly pro-freedom -- gladly shutting down the conversation.

If you're involved in any sort of open source project or tech organization, there's an excellent chance that it already has a Code of Conduct declaring its dedication to diversity and inclusiveness. It'll be there even though the vast majority of the members -- and none of the real contributors -- ever asked for it or would have thought to suggest it themselves. But some entryist pushed the idea, and the rest jumped on board because they didn't want to look less welcoming and progressive than the next group. Or they caved in to get the entryist to shut up. The common response is, "Well, it might be silly, but it can't hurt anything to have a statement that people should be nice to each other, can it?"

I moved my projects from GitHub to GitLab last night because GitHub has been shutting down repositories for having badthink lately. Apparently they even tried to automate the oppression, because a repository got shut down for using the word "retard," even though it was clearly used in the correct sense of "to slow something down." So there's yet another site that began ostensibly for the purpose of helping people to spread useful things and ideas, and it's been co-opted by those who want the opposite.

I'm in an IRC channel for a programming language the other day, and they start talking about what kind of Code of Conduct they should have. One person was clearly pushing the idea, but the others were all on board, because Lord knows you can't get anything done without a statement declaring what decent people you are. It's so bizarre to watch tech-types prattle on about the kind of high-school Fashion Club bullshit that they used to loathe. It's surreal to watch people who do something that 99% of the population couldn't and wouldn't do, talk about how "meritocracy" is a bad thing.

It's not that we can't beat them -- that's a foregone conclusion, now that the problem is out in the open. It's that it's so tiresome, such a waste of time and effort, to have to move communities from SJW-infected sites to open ones, to have to fork projects and get all the normal people to switch over, to have to create new versions of everything from Twitter to Wikipedia. We can do it, and maybe that's what's going to have to happen -- a virtual Galt's Gulch, where all the contributors go off and start over in SJW-inoculated spaces, leaving behind the stale corpses of projects for the SJWs to lord over. It just never should have been necessary.

Blogger Jakeithus July 31, 2015 10:13 AM  

Some people don't seem to understand how entryism works. If the Advocacy sessions are even relatively well attended, organizers will say "See, these are issues people are interested in. We should try and include them in other areas". Advocates gonna advocate after all.

If the sessions are poorly attended, organizers will say "These issues are too important not to get the consideration they are due. Why do you hate _____ so much. We should include it in the keynote session, so that everyone can see just how important these issues really are". SJWs wont let these issues be given lip service and then shuffled off to the side, you either reject them or live with the inevitable creep as they take over more and more.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 31, 2015 10:16 AM  

The Legacy of Kain series is one big vampire sausage-fest, save Blood Omen 2 and the recurring ghost of Walter White's wife.

Yes, Amy Hennig is a solid developer. I really hope she glosses over the SJW topic.

By the way, anyone play Nosgoth?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 31, 2015 10:21 AM  

There are two ways to look at this. One is that having advocacy in its own tract will keep it separate and distinct from the others.

It won't be. It can't be for long, because that's not what it's for. The mistake most people make is in thinking that the advocacy stuff just accidentally bleeds over into the rest of the project, so if you give it its own space and put a firewall around it, it'll leave you alone. That couldn't be more wrong. Its purpose is to infect the entire project; if it doesn't do that, it has failed.

The instant you try to wall it off and say, "No, keep the advocacy talk over there in the advocacy area," they will use that as ipso facto proof of your badthink and use it as a club to beat you with -- all from the position of moral authority that you handed them when you accepted the need for an advocacy space to begin with.

Like all normal people, I wish we could give the blue-haired freaks a place where they could go play happily together and leave us alone. But here's the thing: we already did. We made the Internet, which is infinitely expandable. We created software that allows them to set up all the forums, chat channels, web sites, and whatever else they need to express themselves, all for free. They already can do all the advocacy they want, and no one would mind as long as they concede others the same freedoms. But that's not what they want. They want to force everyone else to participate, which means they can't allow spaces they don't control to exist.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 31, 2015 10:32 AM  

The best way to fight issues like this (sexism etc) that have been blown way out of proportion is simply by marginalising them.

You're walking down the street, minding your own business, and suddenly a blue-haired land-whale walks up, sprays you with mace, and starts pounding on your chest and yelling "Rape, rape!"

Please to explain how you will "marginalize" her.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 31, 2015 10:33 AM  

Gamergate encapsulates a greater movement against SJWs and a drive to push them out of the new media spheres. See Gawker's demise as the latest saga.

Anonymous PeeGee85/GeneralWang July 31, 2015 10:35 AM  

Jakeithus said: "Some people don't seem to understand how entryism works. If the Advocacy sessions are even relatively well attended, organizers will say "See, these are issues people are interested in. We should try and include them in other areas". Advocates gonna advocate after all."

If they are relatively well attended relative to the other sessions and they are also well-received then who are we to say they are wrong, that would be a case of "the market has spoken". Opposing that WOULD actually be intolerant and censorious. I just believe that either they won't be well attended or they won't be well-received (see Anita Sarkeesian at E3 or the meager attendances at similar sessions at other events). If they don't have any actual reasonable arguments then just give these people enough rope and they will hang themselves. Just don't give them a platform by giving them an ideological opponent to demonise (namely us censoring their opinions and rabidly denouncing them).

"If the sessions are poorly attended, organizers will say "These issues are too important not to get the consideration they are due. Why do you hate _____ so much. We should include it in the keynote session, so that everyone can see just how important these issues really are".

Can you show me any precedent for this and even if you can, was that approach ever really succesfull? I can think of no examples. The only thing I can think of that comes remotely close is events where alleged victims of harassment were the center of attention, and in that respect we should make sure that we don't give them any more of those by trying to censor or ban them or throwing abuse their way just for voicing their opinions. If they really do have crazy and unreasonable arguments then in order to beat them we don't need to do anything but let them speak (once again,see Sarkeesian at E3).

Anonymous PeeGee85/GeneralWang July 31, 2015 10:45 AM  

Cail Corishev said: "You're walking down the street, minding your own business, and suddenly a blue-haired land-whale walks up, sprays you with mace, and starts pounding on your chest and yelling "Rape, rape!"

Please to explain how you will "marginalize" her."

I agree that in that example it wouldnt be the right strategy, but I don't think that that is a proper analogy for what I was talking about here. What I'm trying to say is that if someone is denouncing you from atop a pedestal (of pubic opinion in this case) then first you should remove the pedestal, then you knock them down. Doing it the other way around wouldn't work. So in the case of say radical feminists claiming to be reasonable and representing "all women/tolerant people", first you make sure you frame the discussion in the right context (a context where she in fact does not represent all women/tolerant people but rather a radical and extremist minority) THEN you attack her ideas or person. If you do it the other way around people simply will not be receptive to anything you might have to say and your resistance will only strengthen her position.

Anonymous Rocket July 31, 2015 10:56 AM  

The fight may still need to be fought Vox but I got bad news if you ain't been paying attention. GG is pretty much fully fractured, has leaders and is well on it's way to being fully progressive.

You seen how they talk about you on KIA ? should remind you of the people who run the book industry and awards more than what gamergate was. You and anyone right of Stalin is pretty much the font of all evil and transphobia....

The best we can do is be happy we've spread such awareness of the SJW/Cultural Marxism problem into the greater public awareness.

Blogger Jakeithus July 31, 2015 11:02 AM  

"Can you show me any precedent for this and even if you can, was that approach ever really succesfull?"

I have no direct examples from larger conferences such as the one in question here, maybe someone else is aware. From my time in University I can think of courses and speakers made mandatory due to some type of SJW cause, which had low interest or attendance prior to being determined to be too important to be ignored.

I get it, I'm personally not the type to want to censor anything, but to say "this far and no further" is putting a lot of faith in those in charge to hold the line, when the last 60 years has been nothing but a failure in that regard. If the advocacy stream proves to be a failure in terms of interest, it won't be because no one cares about the issues, it will be because organizers have neglected it by placing it into a rainbow ghetto, or something like that. SJWs don't care what the market has to say...if the market says SJW issues are failures it's probably because the market is a racist, sexist, homophobe, and we need some government intervention (or equivalent) to fix the problem.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 31, 2015 11:17 AM  

I agree that in that example it wouldnt be the right strategy, but I don't think that that is a proper analogy for what I was talking about here.

It may not be the proper analogy for the straw man you're trying to set up, but it's the perfect analogy for what's actually happening.

Anonymous Ceely July 31, 2015 11:18 AM  

GG won't touch this unless there are a sufficient number of females for them to target for harassment.

Anonymous PeeGee85/GeneralWang July 31, 2015 11:20 AM  

@Jakeithus: Hmm those are good points and yes in Academia the last 60 years may indeed have been nothing but a failure in that regard. But I do believe that even though they may have won significant battles, one day they will push too far, resistance will reach critical mass and the general public will finally look at these issues and respond. Societies seem to have a tendency to react to problems only when they have grown too large to ignore. I think GamerGate is actually an indicator of this problem reaching critical mass and that it is a signal for greater things to come. I'm hoping that PC-culture is a fad and that it will pass like any others, only time can tell I suppose, let's hope it doesn't turn me into a cynic ;).

Anonymous PeeGee85/GeneralWang July 31, 2015 11:24 AM  

@Cail Corishev: I think it should be clear to any discerning reader that I am not the one presenting the straw man here and that I am not the one avoiding this discussion.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 31, 2015 11:26 AM  

What I'm trying to say is that if someone is denouncing you from atop a pedestal (of pubic opinion in this case) then first you should remove the pedestal, then you knock them down.

Then you agree with us. Rejecting their codes of conduct and keeping their advocacy out of our spaces (rather than conceding a portion of it to them as you suggested) IS knocking down the pedestal -- or better, not letting them get on it in the first place.

As for attacking them personally: they are the ones who say the political is the personal and vice versa. They do that so that it's impossible to attack their politics without being seen as attacking them. It's an intentional fallacy which they use so that you will hamstring yourself in trying not to attack them. Don't fall for it.

Blogger VD July 31, 2015 11:26 AM  

We shouldnt want to silence them or ban them, that would just be playing into their hands. As gamers we shouldnt say that we won't allow any criticism or debate at all, that is exactly how they want us to look to the outside world, as intolerant assholes. We should just let the market do its work and let them die off by themselves.

Tone shill. Ignore.

Blogger VD July 31, 2015 11:29 AM  

I do believe that even though they may have won significant battles, one day they will push too far, resistance will reach critical mass and the general public will finally look at these issues and respond.

It doesn't matter what you believe. You're wrong. The general public never responds. Your "strategy" of inaction is ridiculously stupid. You don't solve organizational problems with "the market".

It's a freaking category error.

Blogger Alexander July 31, 2015 11:30 AM  

Marginalize, eh?

Very well, allow me to give it a shot.

PeeGee85/GeneralWang is either a concerntroll who knows he's on the other side, or a #cuckservative who doesn't know he's on the other side.

Either way, his "advice" is detrimental in its time-and-time-again demonstrated uselessness, and he should be ignored and shunned as an enemy or mocked for his willful ignorance and desire to selfgeld.

Blogger VD July 31, 2015 11:32 AM  

You seen how they talk about you on KIA?

I've always expected parts of the GG Left to eventually throw in with the SJWs. It doesn't matter. That's the beauty of a decentralized organization. The more they try to organize and control, the more they'll marginalize themselves.

That's why they talk about me like they do. As long as people like me are involved, they can't claim to be in control. And, of course, it drives them crazy that Le Monde and other media talk about me and not them... even though I always disavow any claim to leadership of anything.

Blogger Fatherless July 31, 2015 11:42 AM  

In GDC 2013 there was an "incident" where the IDGA had a meetup in a bar/club and there were some hired semi nude dancing girls. This was the precipitating incident to declare the entire conference "unsafe" and then BOOM - in 2014 they have the advocacy track. Gamasutra and allied outlets ramp up the anti-gamer rhetoric, and the Zoepost becomes another precipitating incident, leading to the Gamers Are Dead articles. And here we are now.

The purpose of these rules is to codify and direct the mob response to precipitating incidents. In times of "emergency" people seek safety within the group, and social authoritarianism wins out. The rules are established so the mob response will go in the direction the rules writers want, which is ever vigilant speech/thought control. The purpose of the rules is to make individuals believe that the group believes that badthink leads to real danger.

So yes, there plenty of precedent for what's going on here.

Blogger Karl July 31, 2015 11:47 AM  

Will be interesting to see how they handle their social media, given what happened at #oscon.

The O'Reilly Open Source Convention was a PR disaster #Oscon

O’Reilly Media’s 2015 Open Source convention (OScon) turned into a debacle on Twitter last week after the invitation of a controversial activist. The drama escalated after O’Reilly Media employed a flawed mass-blocking tool on its official Twitter accounts, which blocked a swathe of journalists and developers in addition to the convention’s critics.

The convention began receiving criticism after the decision to invite activist Randi Harper to give a talk on online harassment. Harper claims to be a campaigner against online abuse, but her role as an instigator of a number of online harassment campaigns has made her a a highly controversial figure, who many accuse of hypocrisy.

O’Reilly media’s social media manager Josh Simmons further inflamed the situation by installing “GGAutoblocker,” a mass-blocking tool developed by Harper, onto the convention’s official Twitter account. The tool has been criticised in the past for labeling a vast number of innocent Twitter users as “harassers.”

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 31, 2015 11:57 AM  

@Cail, #25. What He Said.

PeeWee, you might actually be sincere---as so many failed, dead, defeated moderates have been in the past---but it's hard to overstate how VERY wrong you are. Cancer is not something you "accommodate" or "treat with respect". You destroy it. In the case of SJW's---especially SJW entryism---all their stuff are ours. They are to be driven before us. We are to hear da vailing of der vimmin.

Moderation = death.

Anonymous GG #34356 July 31, 2015 11:57 AM  

>You seen how they talk about you on KIA?

I've always expected parts of the GG Left to eventually throw in with the SJWs. It doesn't matter. That's the beauty of a decentralized organization. The more they try to organize and control, the more they'll marginalize themselves.

For the moment KiA on /gamergatehq/ is controlled by the GG-Left (via totalitarian moderators) who want to shape the direction what is and what is not allowed in GamerGate. The majority of KiA users doesn't agree but isn't bothered enough (remember they are also left leaning) to do something or doesn't want to get into the way of the "big SPJ airplay win" and thus lays low. I hope it changes after airplay. The purity pushes from the left are getting really annoying - gghq was even purged of wrongthink.

Anonymous Bz July 31, 2015 12:11 PM  

"I do believe that even though they may have won significant battles, one day they will push too far, resistance will reach critical mass and the general public will finally look at these issues and respond."

Perhaps you're seeing this resistance reaching critical mass right now.

It seems rather misguided (or perhaps calculating) to just dismiss resistance as something someone else can do at some later date. It's a recipe for paralysis.

Anonymous Bz July 31, 2015 12:14 PM  

At best an "advocacy" track can be used to collect its activities there instead of in the regular tracks. But in the end, all it does is provide a beach head. Those running the advocacy track will be part of the conference organization, and will for starters work to impose their beloved codes of conducts if nothing else. And from there on it's a downward spiral.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 31, 2015 12:24 PM  

Perhaps you're seeing this resistance reaching critical mass right now.

Exactly. Why can't we be the "general public" he thinks we should wait for? I'm an open source user and developer. Why should I sit back and wait for "the general public" to get fed up with SJWs and their sycophants like Josh Simmons turning OSCON into an SJW playground? Why would "the general public" ever care enough to do something about it if I won't?

Heck, I'm already ashamed that Milo has had to do much of our work for us.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad July 31, 2015 12:27 PM  

@ 45

> Those things and ideas...

Shutup, Tad.

Anonymous BGS July 31, 2015 1:01 PM  

Like all normal people, I wish we could give the blue-haired freaks a place where they could go play happily together and leave us alone

NYC San Fran Portland Seattle how did that work out?

Blogger Scott Rassbach July 31, 2015 1:11 PM  

Related: Apparently, GamerGate is mob justice, and "has been run out of polite internet conversation".

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/30/9074865/cecil-lion-palmer-mob-justice

Anonymous PeeGee85/GeneralWang July 31, 2015 1:13 PM  

First of all, I appreciate all the interesting replies! Secondly, I don't think I've been clear on some points, I'm not saying we shouldn't criticise them, I'm trying to say "pick your battles wisely". Winning some battles may lose you the war.

Cail Corishev said "Then you agree with us. Rejecting their codes of conduct and keeping their advocacy out of our spaces (rather than conceding a portion of it to them as you suggested) IS knocking down the pedestal -- or better, not letting them get on it in the first place.

As for attacking them personally: they are the ones who say the political is the personal and vice versa. They do that so that it's impossible to attack their politics without being seen as attacking them. It's an intentional fallacy which they use so that you will hamstring yourself in trying not to attack them. Don't fall for it."

I fully agree with the second half of your argument, but I have a different view of what the pedestal is. I think that "a discussion about sexism" or a "code of conduct" purely by themselves sound like reasonable and well-intentioned things. They can't really hurt anyone if they are done in good faith and I think that any casual observer would think "those things seem perfectly reasonable to desire". So in this case I think the pedestal is not the actual discussion, but rather the choice of topic, namely a topic that naturally engenders sympathy. Anyone attacking those propositions arguing that "they'll use it to take over, bully people and push an agenda" or even simpler "we don't want that stuff, we don't care about it" is only going to engender antipathy in the casual observer. In fact, by using those exact arguments you would be making the political (a discussion about sexism, a code of conduct) personal (WE don't want that stuff. WE think they'll abuse it because we don't trust them.). So really I have the same arguments and motivations you do, I just see the problem differently.

What I have not clarified however is how we should attack them, and that is by letting them spout their bullshit and then calling them out and riddiculing them for it, just like what happened to Sarkeesian after E3 and the riddiculous indie-dev with the "Fuck the customer" presentation. They may still try to dismiss us at sexists and misogynysts, but we will have given them very little ammunition, and if they draw attention to the discussion they will also draw attention to the bullshit arguments we were responding to. That's how I'd pick my battles.

As for the question of "what general public do you mean"? I mean society, all the media, all the arts. As SJW's are extending their tentacles into more areas of media and art and pushing the PC boundaries ever further I can see resistance increasing. Recently comedians have started reacting against PC culture and more and more celebritries are starting to speak out, radio/tv-shows/blogs and podcasts are starting to talk more and more about PC- and outrage-culture. I believe that SJW's have pushed PC- and outrage-culture almost as far as they can before the inevitable backlash and blowback. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see, like I said, only time can tell.

As for the "moderation is death" themed comments, I think a lack of moderation is what allowed things to escalate in several situations, including the Zoe post. Also, I think moderation is getting a bad rep here. If applied correctly (when countering empassioned extremists for instance), stoic moderation can be the most vicious response :D.

@Fatherless: great comment, I will try to respond to it soon.

Blogger Danby July 31, 2015 2:07 PM  

As for the "moderation is death" themed comments, I think a lack of moderation is what allowed things to escalate in several situations, including the Zoe post.

You talk as if the escalation were a bad thing.

Listen, I'm 56. We've tried moderation, the result is the current situation. More moderation will not fix this problem, it is build upon the bones of moderates.

Anonymous Androsynth July 31, 2015 2:28 PM  

If they are relatively well attended relative to the other sessions and they are also well-received then who are we to say they are wrong, that would be a case of "the market has spoken".

Companies can (and some do) make attendance of such things mandatory by their conference-attending employees, whether said employees have any interest in them or not.

Anonymous Rocket July 31, 2015 2:51 PM  

@VD - Message 40

It's not decentralised anymore, 8chan has fallen to the same people so far as to enforce rules on the same things at the same time as KIA because the mods all hang out together and either have group think or are being shilled or shilling themselves. The escapist was a lot horse a long time ago and twitter was the first place to be co-opted by PR idiots. Most people concerned about freedom of speech have been driven out, witch hunted or harassed into leaving GG altogether.

Can you name any "hub" of note or otherwise that still allows free discussion or isn't in full hard to port mode ?

There are still dissenting voices but fewer everyday and the time of respecting the argument based on evidence or logic has long since passed. I don't mean to be such a downer but the major areas to inform people are controlled and censored now. SJWs are masters of doing this to internet forums via moderator and "community leader" positions and this all plays out like a textbook case of it in the past but on fast forward.

What's the point in it all man... the moment the chains are broken they all go shopping again for shiny new ones to adorn themselves like some cargo cult island king and begin to beat those still free with them. What's the hope for the future when a free speech movement can't last more than a few months before descending into censorious idolatry.

People are dicks.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 31, 2015 3:50 PM  

@46. bz: "It seems rather misguided (or perhaps calculating) to just dismiss resistance as something someone else can do at some later date. It's a recipe for paralysis."

It is the moderate way! That way they can feel all warm'n'fuzzy about noticing the evil about to consume them, call it nasty names, then bravely run away and stick their heads under their pillows hoping it goes away....or maybe it's just a bad dream......

@53 Danby "You talk as if the escalation were a bad thing."

We want this to escalate all the way to totally victory over our enemies and their total destruction.

Leave the war to the warriors, get out of their way, they go to 11.....

Blogger VD July 31, 2015 4:21 PM  

It's not decentralised anymore, 8chan has fallen to the same people so far as to enforce rules on the same things at the same time as KIA because the mods all hang out together and either have group think or are being shilled or shilling themselves. The escapist was a lot horse a long time ago and twitter was the first place to be co-opted by PR idiots. Most people concerned about freedom of speech have been driven out, witch hunted or harassed into leaving GG altogether.

I was in Paris only a few weeks ago. Most of the GGers there don't know or care about the "hubs" about which you speak. GG is far from dead, quite to the contrary, it is spreading.

Take two weeks off. And stop worrying about infrastructure.

Blogger VD July 31, 2015 4:23 PM  

I think that "a discussion about sexism" or a "code of conduct" purely by themselves sound like reasonable and well-intentioned things. They can't really hurt anyone if they are done in good faith and I think that any casual observer would think "those things seem perfectly reasonable to desire".

Yes, stupid people will fall for the same trick over and over and over again. That doesn't mean that you should just blithely let the SJWs do it again and again and again.

Blogger JartStar July 31, 2015 4:28 PM  

@54 Rocket. Vox is right, step back. When you get worn out on the front lines you need some R&R. Milo Yiannopoulos and Dean Cain were on Crowder today. Milo Yiannopoulos, Dean Cain and Crowder Discuss #GamerGate » Louder With Crowder

Dean came out unequivocally in favor of GG even though he didn't know at first what it was. Dean has 71K twitter followers alone and has fans in the geek culture thanks to Superman.

This is the long war. Don't give up hope if there are setbacks.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P July 31, 2015 4:45 PM  

Lots of folks claiming that having an advocacy track is a beachhead- it isn't, because they made that years ago. UBM is sjw central already.

The other tracks in previous years were already showing clear signs of entryism on the panels. I see this going one of two ways - either it's own track isolates the worst of the sjws so the rest of the conference regains some of the credibility it lost when they awarded Anita, or it becomes a coordination hub to infect the other tracks more rapidly.

If it's isolation, then the key members become visible. If it's coordination, the key members become visible. Either way, we have clearer targets to watch / investigate / discredit.

Then we burn the sucker down.

Anonymous Rocket July 31, 2015 6:09 PM  

@56

I don't need two weeks off, I've taken 8 months off I don't really support gamergate nor have I really involved myself in what appears to now be a labyrinthine popularity contest set to a progessive mornington crescent rule book. I stopped caring when I pre-emptively warned people about all the drama that happened recently with mods and all that and no one listened; frankly I only stopped in after that to say I told you so. Well no I guess that's wrong, I didn't stop caring I just stopped interacting or supporting. But I do find people always say "take two weeks off" to me a lot as if I'm hysterical or something. Honestly I feel we live in such an entitled millennial sympatico society that just not being 100% positive or questioning always seems to be seen as some kind of hysteria. Either that or I see it used as a conversation or thought terminator usually because the questionee doesn't have an answer or doesn't like the one he comes up with.

Take two weeks off is just analogous to telling someone to stop caring and not worry, well I do worry. I feel not caring is kind of what got us into the mess society is in right now in the first place. I don't subscribe to the just forget about it state of mind that pops up, surprisingly or not surprisingly a similar sentiment always seems to be raised around issues of free speech of fundamental rights. Not caring isn't going to solve the problem.

I mean lets take that in context of the people in paris statement, how many people is that ? do they represent a significant number ? what do they believe or are fighting for ? How is that going to half a progressive slide ? that is of course if you or anyone else believes that is happening as I can only speak for myself, but I don't often see oranges growing on apple trees...

Also it's not a question of infrastructure although I suppose that factors in as well, I mean the chan boards are suffering a huge downturn in interest and engagement on the issues which is always a bad bad sign. Yet reddit is on the up at least in some regards. Which brings me to what it is a question of, culture. When the revolt,movement, cultural oddity (whatever people want to call it today) finds a more natural home in the heart of millennial progressiveville while the fruit of the meme tree dies on the vine you aren't growing the crops of free speech. (I apologise for my butchering of analogies there, it's a hobby) The culture is what is important, just look at what they talk about the 10% rule or whatever it is on reddit and in social media. That most people don't comment or engage but mostly look to those who are as proxies or to be informed from. Once someone has control or has changed the culture of where the discussion is taking place they always influence the other 90% of people, that's where the money is.

Problem is I don't have a solution, hell I can't even prove conclusively that's what is happening. I just keep showing up every so often to say I told you so to people. Mostly I feel those people like many others have outgrown gg at the moment in fact the part of it that's now embedded in the greater cultural awareness is the real victory, but that happened in the first few months. What's going on now doesn't seem to be in relation to anything any more. Not to play the change the hashtag card but it almost does feel like a new name is needed for what people believe in because the old one doesn't seem to fit any more. i guess it all doesn't really matter anyway, no one will actually do anything and I could be wrong but the axiom about always getting more left feels very much in full force. I'm not even worried as I live in the enviable position were I'll never be silenced (at least in real life not the internet, that's quite the role reversal) by these people or have my life effected. I've always been more concerned with standing up for those who will no matter what viewpoints they hold.

Blogger Soleca July 31, 2015 6:10 PM  

@58 The Dean Cain thing kinda surprised me. Firstly I'm old enough that the new adventures of superman was a major part of my childhood and I've always been Dean Cain fan (I even love Futuresport, sue me) so I'm kinda chuffed. Hell I had no idea he was "right wing" as it were but I've always been apolitical. Although that does explain his career trajectory, Hollywood does hate anyone who's not a champagne socialist. Hell I remember Elia Kazan getting his oscar, find some crowd shots of that for comedy. So yeah that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy but I fail to see what that really accomplishes. You can get a bunch of celebrity talking heads on any subject and it's more pantomime than anything meaningful.

Sorry for double posting, hit the character limit. I was never good at wit.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar July 31, 2015 6:31 PM  

Why are you fighting for corporate space? Corpspace belongs to the enemy. You have the customer base, they don't. I don't care how much corporate cash they have or how cheap they make this crap in China, if the customers don't buy it they have the life expectancy of a fruit fly with cancer.
Never fight the enemy on their ground. Ignore the corporate shills and make your own conventions. If you have your own space they will have to come fight on your ground and you can have security run them out.

Anonymous Empathy McFeels July 31, 2015 6:56 PM  

The SJW - Cuckservative bubble is so thick, they can't even conceive that we exist. It reminds of me of Horton Hears a Who. "We Are Here!!! We Are Real!!

Blogger Groot July 31, 2015 7:00 PM  

@60. Rocket:

I am Groot.

Blogger John David Galt July 31, 2015 7:12 PM  

Maybe we should turn the whole controversy into a game. Model it on Starship Troopers, with the "bugs" being well known SJWs (using good caricatures of their actual faces, but not their names, kind of like the leaders in the Nuclear War computer game). It could even have a first person shooter mode, with the "slime guns" from Ghostbusters!

Blogger VD July 31, 2015 7:16 PM  

I just keep showing up every so often to say I told you so to people.

Got it. So, you're a do-nothing Gamma who isn't involved. I suggest you simply go and find something else to do, because no one here is going to pay any attention to you.

Blogger Daniel July 31, 2015 7:55 PM  

Shut up, Rocket.

Anonymous Fp July 31, 2015 8:44 PM  

Rocket, underdogs win more often than you think.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 31, 2015 9:14 PM  

Hey six games cool! Now get back to writing! Oh... I'll go wait for Malwyn and her six nipples.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 31, 2015 9:59 PM  

Bgs It ruined most of Seattle. I don't know about the other places. Had to go to a neurology deal at Swedish and the gd crosswalks near 'pill hill' are rainbows. Should have spent the money cleaning up the place. Bums' hovels like hornets' nests everywhere and nobody looks like me except my dr.

Anonymous tossleTT August 01, 2015 12:23 AM  

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Anonymous Rocket August 01, 2015 3:59 AM  

@66 Nice to see you ran out of logic and ran right into name calling, call me the day you find the backbone to have a debate instead of calling someone else's courage into question. There's more ways to fight SJWs than to support gamergate. I was doing it long before gamergate and will be doing it long after.

I'll be doing it better than you too, as I don't run away from a conversation and call people names when I don't have a response like an intellectual coward. Sad to see really, I thought you had more chops than that.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2015 4:22 AM  

@72 Guess you are new around here otherwise you would know VD is happy to accommodate any debate. You are simply coming into camp as a doomsayer and we are rightly excluding you.

@71 You mad bro? You so funny.

Anonymous Rocket August 01, 2015 4:29 AM  

@72

So you are "rightly "excluding" anyone not not being 100% positive or offering an opinion you disagree with ? Also doomsayer ? far from it, I said putting awareness if the sjws into the greater public consciousness has been a massive win.

What you are doing is acting like a bunch of sjws and blanking out things you don't like to hear and excluding people when you are faced with some "triggering" facts you don't have a response too. Here's a hint on how to conduct yourself if you want to be respected by anyone who isn't personal fanboy or lacks a working frontal lobe. You explain with facts or logic how and why the person is wrong. You don't start calling them names then "exclude" them ?

Remind me how the sjws act again ? No need you already did.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2015 5:02 AM  

....l don't support gamergate...
...I don't have a solution..
...I told you so...
...you guys are doing it wrong...


Defeatist moderate or as they say these days, #cuckservative

Anonymous Rocket August 01, 2015 6:01 AM  

Since when does opposing cultural marxists require labelling myself ? or do you hail from the you are only with us or against us line of thinking ? As that's another hallmark of the NPD culture of the sjws.

Straight from the gentlepersons guide to forum spies, demanding complete solutions. Now since you're clearly not an adult mentally I'll let you in on a little secret. The process of forming solutions for complex situations is firstly to establish there is a problem. Secondly to asses the scale and nature of the problems and it's causes. Thirdly as a group come up with ideas that could solve the solution as a team and try them out or at least debate the merits of each one in an unbiased manner. You are your little hugbox have alreay fallen at stage 1 by burying your head in the sand and decrying nothing is wrong while plugging your ears like a six year old girl having a tantrum.

If you keep acting as such I'll start treating you as such.

The told you so comment is a throwaway line meant to reinforce the fact that ignorance of a problem doesn't make it go away and to establish that I've already made predictions that wholeheartedly came true. Here again you are using it as a strawman, without any real response to the issues raised you are looking for one tiny weak chink in order to discredit the whole statement. Intellectually weak and childishly dishonest.

Also where did I ever say "you guys" are doing it wrong, I am responding on topic to the statement gamergate isn't "dead" with some observations. If you ever want to be successful in this kind of endeavour you need to shrug the millenial hallmark of narcissistic personality disorder were you view all discussion you don't agree with as a personal attack. That road only leads to hug-boxes and failure.

But really what can be expected from the quality of commentators on this hugbox of a blog, Vox couldn't handle two softball blog comments from his own side without resorting to "shunning", closing his ears and loudly crying out everything is just fine while throwing out what he considers to be a cutting insult against my virility whilst positing himself as an "alpha". Well newsflash "real men" don't run away from a conversation once it gets hard. If he can't handle two softball blog comments how will he ever handle a real discussion or do anything to change publishing for the better ?

Thank god there's real authors out there, but sadly they are too busy actually writing to fill in for a Vox's quixotic in more ways than one quest.

But yeah throw out a buzzword like cuckservative at me, I'm not even american mate and you'll find the problem with your own political system is down to the partisan nature and name calling that reflect the individual cuckboxes you've all slotted yourselves into.

Enjoy achieving nothing but your own self congratulations.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2015 6:22 AM  

@76
Just use your omniscience to solve all the problems - easy.

Mind you, every single assumption you have made about Vox, the Ilk and me so far has been wrong.

BTW #cuckservative is an international appellation but I can call you a #britcuck if you prefer

Anonymous Rocket August 01, 2015 6:34 AM  

I'm not conservative so the appellation doesn't apply. I don't believe I've made any assumptions I have stated facts in regards to exactly how are you behaving.

If you believe I am wrong about something you have to state what I said and how I am wrong about it, that is how a debate works. All you have done is stated I am right without raising any issues nor addressing them. You cannot simply state you are "right" like some silly little fundamentalist.

Please continue being right only in your own mind while throwing out childish little insults and playing into identity politics, unless you wish to man up and raise an actual point that can be responded to ?

I don't think you will, but please prove me wrong.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2015 7:38 AM  

I'm doing what l'm doing (#gg shitposting, travelling to gginParis, rabid puppies voting, Tor boycott [with e- & regular mails]). I cheer my allies, I mock my enemies.

Start your group, vote in your committees, debate, organise your measured responses based on community based feedback or whatever moderates do.

Meanwhile I'll be in the trenches with Vox and some of the ilk if you want to join us.

Anonymous Rocket August 01, 2015 8:01 AM  

So that's a big no on actually raising a point and just distracting from the claims you meant then ?
I'm sure someone of your capabilities is really causing the sjws some trouble.
Also I'm not a moderate, if anything I am repeatedly accused of being "extremist" by people hell bent on trying to keep things in a permanent state of inaction.

But please carry on making baseless claims and weaselling out of actually making a statement that can be responded to.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2015 8:11 AM  

Lol, and should I vote for the leader of gamergate too?
There's no debate - piss or get off the pot.

Anonymous Rocket August 01, 2015 8:41 AM  

I'm sorry again you've responded with bizarre and childish non-sequitors. What does a leader have to do with any of this ? why would anyone vote for one in a leaderless movement that should remain leaderless ?

Are you trying to conflate an unrelated issue in an attempt to weakly discredit something I said ?

Also there is no debate about what exactly ? Are you saying that everyone must agree with you on everything and never question you or something ?

You sir, are everything that is wrong with pretty much everything. You are intellectually challenged yet shocking overburdened with self belief in both any meaningless statements you make and the righteousness of them. You play directly into the hands of identity politics at every turn which only strengthens the sjw position as identity politics is how they make their living. You have no ideas, no discussion no solutions yet sit here proudly claiming only to be a follower and a cheerleader of others who's views reinforce your own ignorant need to feel superior.

You will never take action, you will never debate, you will never have any ideas yet you strive to suffocate those that do, you are a cancer on society and my only hope is that you never breed and foul the waters of future generations with your self serving entitlement.

You are the piss in the pot. Yellow and stinking.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2015 8:56 AM  

Rotflmao
Ladies and gentlemen, #gamergate's very own Lord Haw-Haw.

PS. We don't care

Anonymous Rocket August 01, 2015 11:21 AM  

Oh and just to pop back up and say "I told you so".

The head mod of KIA has been caught false flagging his own attacks on chan boards to silence his opposition.

http://i.imgur.com/Djd349z.jpg

Then claims to have "respressed memory" syndrome.

https://archive.is/Qk73a

Nothing to worry about at all coming from reddit, things are totally fine. Just listen and believe.

Blogger Danby August 01, 2015 1:05 PM  

Dude, Reddit is not #GG.
You are not #GG,

We will take no counsel of despair

What is your advice for us? Succinctly now, no 2000 word blog posts, what would you have us do?

So far it's been "Stop GGing and give up." And the response has been "Get bent, Bucky."

Anonymous Rocket August 01, 2015 2:10 PM  

Godamn thing just cost me a long and well written reply, the second go is never as good as the first but what the hell.

Show me where I said "give up", it's always a sign of the weak mind were they need to fill your own mouth with their words in order to win. I said there are serious problems with the culture being slid by progessives and sjws just like they tanked OWS. Being aware of this is the first step in doing something about it.

KIA isn't gg, have any of you looked at the numbers lately. Twitter and the chans are down to roughly a fifth of their old numbers mostly due to people being pushed out for being to "extreme" not being progessive enough and the kind of false flag attacks to deiscredit competing places for discussion the head mod of KIA was performing on the chans. Also don't cry to be about being too wordy on the blog of a "writer" if I want to say something I'll use as many words as I see fit. If you can't handle a little reading may I suggest a career in daytime television or journalism. Hell I was one of the only people on kia who ever stood up for Vox and told people to drop the identiity politics bullshit and judging him and his ideas based upon unrelated things he said. Then I come here and find the same kind of childish "my side" "your side" bullshit were no one will hear dissent or accept ideas because they don't agree with their hugbox, I mean look at the sultans prize throughoughbred mongoloid previously discussing with me. All he could do was throw around mindless insults and identity politics bullshit

You want solutions, well I don't have all the answers but I can suggest a few places to start.

Firstly, recognise their is a problem with the culture being deliberately shifted and exlusion of those who practice "wrong think" going on. Hell our enemies are masters of this and have done it hundreds of times it's idiotic not to expect them to be doing it to their only real and sucessful enemies ever.

Secondly drop the identity politics bullshit and start respecting facts and logic, not spouting childish insults and jinoistic buzzwords the moment you disagree with someone. What got people interested at the start of gg was actual reasoned debate. Help provide and support a a place to actually have discussion amongst the disperate groups without it falling into that kind of exlusionary fundamentalism but foster co-operation and reaching out to new parties affected by the sjw menace so that we can stand together against them not remain isolated and picked oiff. Shirtgate was a great example of this, we should branch out to more communities affected.

Thirdly start taking action again, preferably the kind that costs our enemies money and investment. Some kind of new properly organised boycott campaign maybe against a target that isn't gawker. Or there was a good idea from an ex-clickbait writer and solid conversative on our side who knows how it all works of associating the investors and advertisers with the hateful shit our enemies say so that they have to stop funding them or risk serious PR problems. Via infographics of the hate with the companies logo's plasteredall over them. I.e start holding our enemies accountable to their own rules.

Blogger Danby August 01, 2015 2:16 PM  

I said "No 2000 word posts."

Firstly, recognise their is a problem with the culture being deliberately shifted and exlusion of those who practice "wrong think" going on.
That was the first fucking day.

Secondly drop the identity politics bullshit and start respecting facts and logic, not spouting childish insults and jinoistic buzzwords the moment you disagree with someone.
Tone policing, that's nice.

Thirdly start taking action again, preferably the kind that costs our enemies money and investment.
That is ongoing

So your oh so verbose prescription is.. to do what has been done, what is being done, and to be nice.

Gotcha chief. Problem is, we don't care.

Blogger Danby August 01, 2015 2:21 PM  

Via infographics of the hate with the companies logo's plasteredall over them. I.e start holding our enemies accountable to their own rules.

I am the leader of GamerGate, and so can you.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2015 4:32 PM  

@86 You sure write a lot for someone who doesn't read others' responses.
sultans prize throughoughbred mongoloid. I guess you are referring to me; and I'm the one who insults?

Both your loigic and your approach are flawed. #GG doesn't need pontificators and nay sayers, it needs actions. Make your infographics, compile emails of targets, email them (as I have been doing). Don't come here to tell us we're #gamergating wrong.

The truce with the PR-ing, tone-policing moderates is over and you are standing in our line of fire.

Anonymous Eli August 02, 2015 3:39 PM  

@71 You do realize that the fact that Gamergate is still being talked about means it hasn't died at all. You sjw shits will never win. Despite wanting to ruin the fun for everyone else. Why do you people even bother?

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