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Wednesday, July 08, 2015

George Martin opposes the Tor boycott

George Rape Rape Martin takes time out of his daily fetish-writing to urge everyone  to oppose the Tor boycott, which is totally irrelevant and futile and doesn't matter in the slightest, which is precisely why it must be denounced and opposed. It's frankly a shame that he's been distracted in this way, as old RapeSquared had been working on a smashing scene involving the violation of Arya Stark wearing the face of Cersei Lannister by two Sparrows, seven nuns, Ser Robert Strong, and King Tomas's adopted kitten. It was really going to blow everyone's socks off when West of Eros: The Epic Rapes of George R. R. Martin appears in 2017.
In one of the more recent developments, the Rabid Puppies and some of their allies and fellow travellers have declared a boycott of Tor Books. I say "Rabid" here because Beale is backing the boycott, while Larry Correia says the Sad Puppies are not boycotting anyone... though Correia and some of the other Sads certainly seem deeply sympathetic to the boycott.

I am not, needless to say. Neither is most of fandom.

Which makes this a perfect time to BUY SOME TOR BOOKS!!

So if you would like to strike a blow for free speech and decency, and support all the good people at Tor, go ye forth and buy a book today... from the Cocteau, or Amazon, or anywhere... and let your voice be heard.

[Martin adds in the comments:] "The Tor boycott is an ugly attempt to try and cost some good people their jobs. It needs to be denounced and opposed."
Good people? On what planet can the likes of lying, libelous, Code of Conduct-violating individuals such as Irene Gallo and Patrick Nielsen Hayden be reasonably described as "good people"? Observably not this one. And as for the "free speech and decency" Martin claims to be defending, let's recall the speech itself:

 "There are two extreme right-wing to neo-nazi groups, called the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies respectively, that are calling for the end of social justice in science fiction and fantasy. They are unrepentantly racist, sexist and homophobic. A noisy few but they’ve been able to gather some Gamergate folks around them and elect a slate of bad-to-reprehensible works on this year’s Hugo ballot."
- Irene Gallo, Creative Director of Tor Books and Associate Publisher of Tor.com

That is a clear and undeniable violation on several counts of the Macmillan Code of Conduct. It is a completely unprovoked, absolutely unprofessional attack on Tor's customers as well as several of Tor's own authors. If Irene Gallo was a fry cook at McDonalds or a minimum-wage greeter at Walmart, she'd be gone already, and it is as disingenuous as it is stupid to pretend otherwise.

RapeSquared was promptly called on his little omissions by a few of his readers and didn't hesitate to take some liberties with the facts. Because, after all, George Martin is an SJW, and SJWs always lie.
lordevaco
Jul. 7th, 2015 09:00 pm (UTC)
I just thought it was weird to leave out why there is a boycott in the first place, so I googled it. I didn't even know about it, but apparently it's because someone at Tor denounced all of them as "neo-Nazis" and "unrepentantly racist, misogynist, and homophobic" and Tor didn't do anything about it.

That's not cool at all either.

grrm
Jul. 7th, 2015 10:45 pm (UTC)
If you googled it, you should also have read that not one but TWO apologies were issued for that tweet, one by the person who posted it, one by the publisher of Tor. That should have closed the book on the affair. Instead we have a boycott and calls for firings.

And I have yet to see anyone on the Puppy side apologize for anything, though their name-calling has far exceeded that coming from the fans.


lumbridge
Jul. 8th, 2015 12:43 am (UTC)
Why are the sad puppies boycotting Tor books? By the way which fantasy titles would you recommend that Tor publishes?

grrm
Jul. 8th, 2015 01:27 am (UTC)
It's the Rabid Puppies boycotting Tor, not the Sads. Plus some unaffiliated or semi-affiliated allies.

I will not attempt to explain the whole thing. In a nutshell, a Tor employee categorized the Puppies in a nasty way, some of them got outraged and demanded an apology, an apology was issued, but the Rabids decided that was not enough and now want resignations and firings. (Which they are never going to get, by the way).
We'll see. Corporate actions tend to move along very slowly and then happen all at once. Macmillan's CEO just returned from his sabbatical this week and I have been directly informed by a Macmillan executive that no decision on how to address the situation has yet been made. And while I suppose it is possible that Mr. Sargent could simply throw out the company Code of Conduct in order to retain the services of an arrogant, entitled employee who believes she can treat his company's customers and authors with total contempt and still retain her job, I tend to doubt it.

I will not be even remotely surprised if both Ms Gallo and Mr. Nielsen Hayden leave Tor Books in the near future. Macmillan quite clearly had no idea what sort of inmate-run asylum it has on its hands, and it's not surprising that it would take a little time for them to figure out what needs to be done in order to set it straight.

If it were my problem, I would clean house. After all, how many of the big SF/F franchises of the last 20 years has the biggest publisher in SF/F published? If one considers how hit SF/F franchises Tor Books has missed on, including Martin's ASOIAF, it's not as if their management team can considered irreplaceable. But it's not my problem and not my decision. I'm simply not going to buy any Tor Books, not even those written by the excellent Mr. Wright, while Irene Gallo and Patrick Nielsen Hayden are still employed there.

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119 Comments:

OpenID genericviews July 08, 2015 8:07 AM  

So he is boycotting the boycott?

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 08, 2015 8:10 AM  

Lol at G Rape Rape M ducking the opportunity to highlight some of TORs recent, brilliant productions. Couldn't be because they've been pushing ideological scat for the last eight years, can it?

Anonymous trk July 08, 2015 8:14 AM  

Rape to the second power is going to create a new character based on VD. Then he is going to rape him. Repeatedly over the next 7 books.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 08, 2015 8:15 AM  

In any case, I broadened my demands slightly. If Irene Gallo and Patrick Nielson Hayden have to go; why should Moshe Feder and John Scalzi not be cut off too?

Blogger Salt July 08, 2015 8:15 AM  

cost some good people their jobs

That's right, Martin. You SJWs have cost some good people their jobs. Now, go suck an egg.

Blogger Bodichi (0031) July 08, 2015 8:18 AM  

"but the Rabids decided that was not enough and now want resignations and firings. (Which they are never going to get, by the way). "

Janet Napolitano, the former head of the DHS called returning veterans terrorists. Then she resigned. Why shouldn't Ms. Gallo follow suit?

Blogger VD July 08, 2015 8:20 AM  

If Irene Gallo and Patrick Nielson Hayden have to go; why should Moshe Feder and John Scalzi not be cut off too?

Feder and Scalzi are not employees. Scalzi is not subject to the Macmillan Code of Conduct. Feder may or may not be. Macmillan is therefore not responsible for their actions.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 08, 2015 8:24 AM  

After all, how many of the big SF/F franchises of the last 20 years has the biggest publisher in SF/F actually published?

Well there it is. HALO ties are about it, they've got nothing else.

PNH doesn't appear to have that good of an eye for talent. Scalzi has done all right but that was mostly due to his own self promotion. He is hardly the rock star that Tor needs. However they are treating him like one, solely because he is overbearing cry-bully, SJW with his own set of ovaries.

One of the things you need to sell books in the old brick and mortar stores is an author with an interesting life story. None of their authors has a life story that anyone wants to listen to.

Give Scalzi ten minutes and he'll be talking about his giant lawn...in Ohio.

Blogger VD July 08, 2015 8:31 AM  

PNH doesn't appear to have that good of an eye for talent. Scalzi has done all right but that was mostly due to his own self promotion.

That may be less PNH than the slush readers. Remember, Scalzi wormed his way around the slush pile and went directly to PNH. I suspect that the serious SJWs doing the hard-core gatekeeping are their slush readers and editorial assistants. Scalzi's Heinlein ripoff would almost certainly have been rejected by them.

That being said, PNH obviously can't develop star talent or he would have by now. Scalzi is arguably worse as a writer than he was back in 2006, he still writes in the same snarky univoice for every man, woman, and alien character.

Blogger Edd Jobs July 08, 2015 8:32 AM  

West of Eros: The Epic Rapes of George R. R. Martin

With Ron Jeremy as the new Tyrion Lannister.

Blogger Doom July 08, 2015 8:36 AM  

Amen.

Which sort of sucks. There are several authors' offerings from Tor I had been jonesing. Can Casilia House keep up on my $30-$50 a month habit, just in e-pubs, plus whatever I end up buying in paper or hardcover? Too bad you don't sell bookshelves. I will be needing more of those shortly. Then again, there are the old books, from before the leftards took over the genre. I am sure there are some I missed. And probably some I could read again.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 08, 2015 8:39 AM  

That being said, PNH obviously can't develop star talent or he would have by now. Scalzi is arguably worse as a writer than he was back in 2006, he still writes in the same snarky univoice for every man, woman, and alien character.

And yet he's one of the best they have. A second great reason to let the axe swing free. The jerks in charge have done a terrible job running the company AND they've directly attacked potential customers. Pathetic, poorly run, with no sense of market strategy. Time to start over.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 08, 2015 8:46 AM  

Let's see George Rape Rape Martin stand up for even one of these people:

https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/

How about James Watson? Tim Hunt? What happens to SF without the S?

After all, it's not about politics, it's about good people losing their jobs. Right?

Anonymous kfg July 08, 2015 8:46 AM  

So, Mr. Martin, it's a free speech issue it it?

Please link me to your passionate public defence of Dr. James Watson, Brendan Eich, Dr. Matt Taylor and Sir Richard Hunt.

Or does free speech only flow freely in the direction that avoids your being subjected to 15 minutes of hate by your in-group?

Anonymous The Obvious July 08, 2015 8:58 AM  

I have to ask, does Irene Gallo have any great talents, experience or utility?

I don't see any of that, is this simply a case of SJWs always protecing their own regardless AKA the double down?

Anonymous George RR Martin's PR Firm July 08, 2015 9:01 AM  

Buy my books you damned dirty Nazi Racists.

Blogger Salt July 08, 2015 9:03 AM  

Which makes this a perfect time to BUY SOME TOR BOOKS!!

There is an incredible range of great SF and fantasy to choose from in the Tor catalogue.


So great SF and fantasy is now defined by TOR via Irene Gallo as "bad to reprehensible"? Hell, that's like a restaurant saying they make nasty shit and want me to run over and buy some.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 08, 2015 9:04 AM  

I know The Great Rape Rape writes fiction for a living but he does seem to make up an awful lot of shit about real life too. I blame the patriarchy for making life too easy for these selfish, self-destructive, un-self-controlled balloons of human stink.

Anonymous cremes July 08, 2015 9:06 AM  

@trk
Rape to the second power is going to create a new character based on VD. Then he is going to rape him. Repeatedly over the next 7 books.

Heh, @trk wins the thread.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 08, 2015 9:08 AM  

Buy my books you damned dirty Nazi Racists.

Don't forget the robots. We are all just a big spam server, remember?

Oh wait, that was another lie.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 08, 2015 9:14 AM  

After the mob has moved on, we learn Nobel scientist Tim Hunt isn’t a sexist monster

Tim Hunt: ‘I’ve been hung out to dry. They haven’t even bothered to ask for my side of affairs’

Sir Tim Hunt will not be offered back his honorary professorship at UCL

Where you at George? Surely this also offends you.

I'd post at his site but I hear he's very quick to change his mind about free speech.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 08, 2015 9:16 AM  

That may be less PNH than the slush readers. Remember, Scalzi wormed his way around the slush pile and went directly to PNH. I suspect that the serious SJWs doing the hard-core gatekeeping are their slush readers and editorial assistants. Scalzi's Heinlein ripoff would almost certainly have been rejected by them.

Makes sense. Even Jim Baen was plagued by them. He out right shit canned the one that rejected' John Ringo's Hymn Before Battle.

Blogger Kull July 08, 2015 9:17 AM  

I wish George had shot his mouth off earlier and demonstrated what a wanker he is before I slogged through those last two books.

Blogger Kull July 08, 2015 9:20 AM  

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Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 08, 2015 9:22 AM  

I think I'm going to invent a Rabid Puppy, release his "real" name and workplace, and see how long it takes the SJWs to go after his job.

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 08, 2015 9:23 AM  

Free speech AND decency? Has rape-rape ever heard of Larry Flynt? Or the Song of Solomon? Free speech is a legal absolute; decency is a personal opinion. They MAY overlap, but rape-rape is not the man to be advocating decency standards in publishing.

Blogger James Jones July 08, 2015 9:29 AM  

The left never bully and purge people.

Here is a good list. Vox should be on there...

Purged

Blogger Daniel July 08, 2015 9:30 AM  

So the American Tolkien is back to doing for lies and rape what the original Tolkien did for truth and fidelity.

Anonymous rversaurus July 08, 2015 9:34 AM  

I don't think I would like to hang out with Vox. I don't like his attitude. I think the way he reads the worst into what his opponents say is reprehensible. I don't like boycotts. I think the golden age of "manly sci-fi" could have used a little more diversity in the stories and characterizations. Basically I don't *like* the Rabid Puppies, I don't like *what* they are doing and I don't like *how* they are doing it ....
And that is why I support them. I support a boycott precisely because I think it is foolish to fire someone because of what they said on facebook. What kind of jerk does stuff like that? I'll tell you, a SJW.
I once had a friend suspended from school for beating a kid with a chair. The other kids was bigger and older than he was and he hit first, with his fist. My friend took a good solid wooden chair and whacked him with it several times. He got suspended but the bully never hit him again.

Blogger Allan Davis July 08, 2015 9:34 AM  

...and...see...this is one of those things that gets under my skin. "It's an awful horrible thing, no one should be fired for statements they've made." Well...when it's someone from our side, anyway. When it's one of those nasty inhuman monsters from the other side, it's perfectly fine. The double standard annoys the hell out of me.

-=ad=-

Blogger Krul July 08, 2015 9:35 AM  

GRRM is the Michael Bay of fantasy, with rape instead of explosions.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 08, 2015 9:35 AM  

Can RR even tell us what makes those two "nice people?" Put him on the record for future fun and games.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 08, 2015 9:35 AM  

Feder and Scalzi are not employees. Scalzi is not subject to the Macmillan Code of Conduct. Feder may or may not be. Macmillan is therefore not responsible for their actions.

All the easier to distance themselves from them if they're merely contractees. Even independent contractors have a fiduciary duty to those who pay them.

Blogger TrevorG July 08, 2015 9:38 AM  

It's hilarious that Teddy gets up in arms over these people saying things that he claims are "libelous" when he constantly libels Scalzi every time he mentions him. In addition Teddy has said worse things about many groups of people in the past, and he's not fired from Castalia House. Where's the intellectual consistency guys?

Right...crickets.

OpenID theycallmewry July 08, 2015 9:39 AM  

"And I have yet to see anyone on the Puppy side apologize for anything, though their name-calling has far exceeded that coming from the fans."

There you have it, straight from Rape Rape Himself: I'm not a fan.

I'm just VFM#384

Blogger Dago July 08, 2015 9:41 AM  

Rvrsaurus,
If true, commendable.
Sadly, given SJW rule 1, without live video feed and extensive reports in triplicate by family, friends and neighbours, we can't know.
Welcome to SJW world.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) July 08, 2015 9:42 AM  

"and he's not fired from Castalia House. "


LMAO. Yes, yes. Vox should be fired.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 08, 2015 9:45 AM  

@TrevorG
*throws a Dorito on the floor in front of him*

Right, the grown-ups can back to talking while he flails around with his little t-rex type arms to try and get the bait.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 July 08, 2015 9:47 AM  

"Where's the intellectual consistency guys?"

The SJW cries out as he lies about you.

Blogger Krul July 08, 2015 9:48 AM  

Lulabelle - "LMAO. Yes, yes. Vox should be fired."

I agree, Vox should fire Vox. I'd support Vox if only he'd stop associating with that Vox character. Vox is okay, but Vox is an asshole.

Anonymous Soga July 08, 2015 9:48 AM  

TrevorG, if you have a problem with the CEO of Castalia House, file a complaint with the CEO. Upon receipt of your complaint, an investigation will be performed on the investigator by the investigator. If any cause for firing the CEO is found, the investigator will forward the evidence to the CEO in order to resolve the issue.

Thank you for your interest in contacting the Castalia House Infernal Affairs department!

Anonymous Statists are so dull July 08, 2015 9:52 AM  

Yeah gods! I bet TrevorG thinks that publishing is run by the gubbmint or something. Maybe they're so dumb they don't realize they're always lying?

Anonymous Statists are so dull July 08, 2015 9:54 AM  

Yeah = Ye

Blogger Rabbi B July 08, 2015 9:57 AM  

"How about James Watson? Tim Hunt? What happens to SF without the S? After all, it's not about politics, it's about good people losing their jobs. Right?"

Some firings are more equal than others.

Anonymous Soga July 08, 2015 10:01 AM  

I bet if we were talking about the CEO of Tor Books, TrevorG would think that putting the CEO in charge of her own investigation would be a good idea.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 08, 2015 10:02 AM  

And I have yet to see anyone on the Puppy side apologize for anything, though their name-calling has far exceeded that coming from the fans.

Even if it were true, even if there were anything for any Puppies, anywhere, ever to apologize for...

I don't care.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 08, 2015 10:10 AM  

I'm simply not going to buy any Tor Books, not even those written by the excellent Mr. Wright, while Irene Gallo and Patrick Nielsen Hayden are still employed there.

If the opportunity arises, would you buy the company?

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 08, 2015 10:11 AM  

Had Martin come out in favor of the boycott, I would have fainted.

Has Martin been called the "American Tolkien?"

Blogger Rabbi B July 08, 2015 10:12 AM  

"Neither is most of fandom."

How does he know? The omniscient super powers of the SJW never cease to amaze.

"Which makes this a perfect time to BUY SOME TOR BOOKS!!"

To offset the ineffective, non-threatening, inconsequential boycott?

"It needs to be denounced and opposed."

So unprofessional behavior and conduct unbecoming a reputable publishing house and the alienation of Tor's customer base and authors who write "bad to reprehensible works" can continue apace, I suppose.

Blogger James Jones July 08, 2015 10:14 AM  

SJW Purges. First 20 of 240...


10-OCT-1959: Revilo Oliver purged from National Review. A complex personality – the sixth generation in his family to bear the burden of a purposefully palindromic name. Archive at Unz.org
20-APR-1968: Enoch Powell purged from British Conservative Party.
1969-1973: The ‘original’ race and intelligence ‘controversy’ hysteria over Jensen, Herrnstein, Draper, Wilson, and Shockley, et al. (see also Sociobiology)
19-OCT-1974: Sir Keith Joseph deemed ineligible for Chancellor of the Exchequer for this notorious speech.
JAN-1984: Ray Honeyford forced into early retirement as headmaster of Drummond Middle School.
17-MAR-1984: Geoffrey Blainey silenced by University of Melbourne.
12-MAR-1985: Murray Dolfman suspended from lecturing at the University of Pennsylvania for talking to black students about the 13th Amendment.
06-APR-1987: Al Campanis ‘ignites controversy’ over remarks about black baseball team managers.
19-JAN-1988: Jimmy ‘The Greek’ Snyder purged from CBS.
1989-1991 (and continuing): Related to the above, Linda Gottfredson’s torturous path.
NOV-1990: John Strugnell purged from the Dead Sea Scrolls project.
22-APR-1991: William F. Buckley devotes an entire issue of National Review to “In Search of Anti-Semitism: What Christians Provoke What Jews? Why? By Doing What? — And Vice Versa.” focused greatly on Pat Buchanan (and timed to coincide with his big for Presidential candidacy). Later, collected with responses, into a book.
1993 – Jospeh Sobran purged from National Review.
13-JAN-1993: Eden Jacobowitz charged by University of Pennsylvania with violating racial harassment policy by shouting ‘Water Buffalo’ at some large, rowdy black women. (He should have just said ‘Behemoth‘ like he was thinking in Hebrew). There was even a Doonesbury comic on it.
27-JUN-1995: Sam Francis purged from the Washington Times.
23-APR-1995: Frank Urban “Fuzzy” Zoeller loses his sponsors after Tiger Woods joke.
1997: Peter Brimelow and John O’Sullivan (and many others) purged from National Review.
09-AUG-1997: Chris Brand purged from Edinburgh University purportedly for discussing sexuality amongst minors, but mostly for his IQ heresy.
15-JAN-1999: David Howard purged for his vocabulary.
01-FEB-1999: Glenn Hoddle purged as England’s soccer coach

Anonymous zen0 July 08, 2015 10:20 AM  

@ 34. TrevorG

>Teddy has said worse things about many groups of people in the past, and he's not fired from Castalia House.

Do you have a list, or is that a cricket in your pocket.?


Chirp, chirp, chirp.

Blogger Joel #0164 July 08, 2015 10:21 AM  

grrm: If you googled it, you should also have read that not one but TWO apologies were issued for that tweet, one by the person who posted it, one by the publisher of Tor. That should have closed the book on the affair.

Yes, I'm sure that if a Tor employee had instead called people "left-wing to stalinist" and "unrepentant faggots, lesbians and multiculturalists" George "Rape Rape" Martin would be just as satisfied with a half hearted non-apology.

These people are indeed all liars.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 08, 2015 10:25 AM  

Upthread I do believe the first recipient of the Kevin Sutherland Excellence in SJW trophy

Blogger Marissa July 08, 2015 10:28 AM  

Who do we contact at MacMillan to let them know that as a science fiction fan, we won't be buying anymore Tor books due to this blatant disrespect against their own customers?

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 08, 2015 10:29 AM  

I do not remember how it plays out in the book but, has Martin ever written anything that translates into a movie dialog like this?

OK, maybe he has spoke like that to a cheetos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVmjRfdmTLM


http://www.tk421.net/lotr/film/fotr/15.html


Arwen: "Renech i lu i erui govannen?" (Do you remember when we first met?)

Aragorn: "Nauthannem i ned ol reniannen." (I thought I had strayed into a dream.)

Arwen: [tenderly touches Aragorn's cheek] "Gwenwin in enninath… U-arnech in naeth i si celich." (Long years have passed… You did not have the cares you carry now.)

Arwen: "Renech i beth i pennen?" (Do you remember what I told you?)

Aragorn: [his fingers run across the pendant on her breast] "You said you'd bind yourself to me. Forsaking the immortal life of your people."

Arwen: "And to that I hold. I would rather share one lifetime with you than face all the ages of this world alone." [Arwen gives Aragorn the pendant.]

Arwen: "I choose a mortal life."

Aragorn: "You cannot give me this!"

Arwen: "It is mine to give to whom I will… like my heart."

Anonymous Nathan July 08, 2015 10:30 AM  

So, does the poster child for authorial procrastination have yet another anthology -painstakingly edited during his writing time- about to be published by Tor?

Blogger Joel #0164 July 08, 2015 10:30 AM  

Marissa,

John Sargent, CEO of Macmillan. john.sargent@macmillan.com

Blogger Blume July 08, 2015 10:32 AM  

Owner, douche.

Blogger Dexter July 08, 2015 10:34 AM  

I have to ask, does Irene Gallo have any great talents, experience or utility?

Who cares? Lack of those things never held back Obama, Hillary, or countless other SJWs.

All that matters is the approval of the mob and the ability to manipulate the mob.

Blogger Student in Blue July 08, 2015 10:35 AM  

If the opportunity arises, would you buy the company?

Personally, if I had the money I still wouldn't buy Tor.

But I'd buy Baen, yes I would.

Blogger Dexter July 08, 2015 10:35 AM  

I do not remember how it plays out in the book but, has Martin ever written anything that translates into a movie dialog like this?

Ugh don't even get me started on the horrid movie dialogue of Peter Jackson.

"Give up the halfling, she-elf!" -- YGFSM!

Anonymous Minion #0172 July 08, 2015 10:36 AM  

I'm not industry savvy enough to tell, but if Amazon's rankings are indicative, Scalzi's latest Heinlein rip-off doesn't seem to be generating much interest.

A wise decision for Tor to release it in $2.99 dribbles, the impulse buy in fiction.

Telling, I think, that on his blog he makes a big deal about the positive reviews and doesn't mention actual sales.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 08, 2015 10:40 AM  

Dexter, I am only showing the some of the best and not looking for Jackson's worse. Which can be pretty bad, plus, the she-elf stuff is definitely not Tolkien and more SFW.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 08, 2015 10:41 AM  

"They want to tear down rather than build up; the Tor boycott is proof of that."
--Great Rape Rape's hug-box, I mean blog.

Rule #3 SJWs always project.

Anonymous Krul July 08, 2015 10:43 AM  

Dexter - "Ugh don't even get me started on the horrid movie dialogue of Peter Jackson."

The best scenes in the LOTR and Hobbit films were the ones that followed Tolkien's prose most faithfully.

My favorite: "Fool of a Took! Throw yourself in next time and rid us of your stupidity!"

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 08, 2015 10:46 AM  

So to sum up Martin's idea of what happened:
-Tor exec insults the company clients and customers.
-That's okay because she apologized, never mind it was an apology about hurting people's feelings, not taking back her words.
-VD and others organize a boycott.
-Boycott organizers are bad because they've said bad things in the past, though he can't cite them. All he can do is assume that they've said bad things.

Geez, does this guy not realize he's on the losing side. How about he finishes his book series, allow the television series to play out, and retire. He's made it big writing about fantasy and rape (but not rape fantasies). All while insulting Tolkien and writing the same things into his own works.

Seriously, if I was as successful as Mr. Martin, I wouldn't take sides and simply state I am trying to make money, not ideology. But the rape fetishist can't help himself.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 08, 2015 10:48 AM  

Only an handful of comments, almost all positive and most with personal replies from the Rapemeister himself. I'm sure Great Rape Rape gets A LOT more comments than that. He must have a team of minions cherry-picking the ass licks and deleting all dissent.

The Hug-box must be maintained!

If they are so right about everything how come they have to lie constantly and silence all opposition? Shouldn't being on the right side of history, as they always claim, take care of itself?

Blogger Rabbi B July 08, 2015 10:56 AM  

"Shouldn't being on the right side of history, as they always claim, take care of itself?"

That is the nature of truth - it takes care of itself. But, well, you know, these people always lie, and when they lie they are speaking the only language they know.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2015 10:58 AM  

And I have yet to see anyone on the Puppy side apologize for anything, though their name-calling has far exceeded that coming from the fans.

SJW Rule #1.

Anonymous Scintan July 08, 2015 10:59 AM  

Glad to see that Rape Ape has weighed in on the boycott. I was lost in the dark waiting to see which side he'd come down on. It's shocking to find that he has chosen the side of the leftists.

Blogger Jim July 08, 2015 10:59 AM  

Mr. Rape Fantasy writer:

I assure you, there are people on the Rabid Puppies side who have issued apologies. I am one. I can only assume that you had yet to wipe away the cheeto dust from your monitor before you looked for any examples, or you would have found plenty of heart-felt offerings to assuage your diabetic wrath.

So I shall apologize, again, for any hurt feelings. If, at any point, I caused your flabby arms to flail about in search of medication, then I am sorry.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2015 11:03 AM  

"Neither is most of fandom."

Is anyone who non-ironically uses the word "fandom" worth listening to? I suspect not, but I'm open to hearing of exceptions.

Blogger VD July 08, 2015 11:04 AM  

It's hilarious that Teddy gets up in arms over these people saying things that he claims are "libelous" when he constantly libels Scalzi every time he mentions him.

I have never, ever libeled John Scalzi. I have ridiculed him, I have quoted him, I have exposed him as a fraud. But I have NEVER libeled him.

Blogger Jim July 08, 2015 11:07 AM  

Glad to see that Rape Ape has weighed in on the boycott. I was lost in the dark waiting to see which side he'd come down on.

Hopefully you were standing in a door frame at the time.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 July 08, 2015 11:08 AM  

You know, we deserve an award from GLAAD or Jezebel when you think about it.

- Sansa has been 'raped' in the TV show
- Sansa has not yet been 'raped' or (more likely) raped in the books.
- As long as we continue to be a not-at-all-significant force that RapeyRape feels the need to notwrite in order to combat, then we are in fact saving Sansa from a fate worse than death! (Though odds are pretty good she'll get that, too.)

So I ask the feminists to consider joining the boycott. If it saves just one imaginary woman isn't it worth it? #Princesslivesmatter!

Blogger Dago July 08, 2015 11:19 AM  

Rabbi B,
Also, given this is the domain of the Prince of lies, they do get aeay with it for longer than I am personally comfortable with.

Anonymous Porphyry July 08, 2015 11:28 AM  

woah sansas not dead in the books; mind blown. Also, since I haven't weighed in on it and no one seems to notice her yet, my fav chick is the lannister incest child that just died of poison.

Blogger Maple Curtain July 08, 2015 11:29 AM  

"On what planet can the likes of lying, libelous, Code of Conduct-violating individuals such as Irene Gallo and Patrick Nielsen Hayden be reasonably described as 'good people'? Observably not this one."

Depends what company you keep, at this point in history, on this planet.

The narcissists, the 'people of the lie,' whatever you want to call them, see themselves as fine-upstanding citizens ridding the world of miscreants like you, me, and assorted bakery owners across the planet.

Blogger Maple Curtain July 08, 2015 11:33 AM  

@# 50: James Jones:

"20-APR-1968: Enoch Powell purged from British Conservative Party."

Ironically enough, Hitler's birthday.

Anonymous Porphyry July 08, 2015 11:33 AM  

now that I think about it the starks only exist to get raped in that series. I mean seriously the literal best case scenario for a stark is to wander aimlessly as a cripple in the far north for the most boring aeon ever thought up. ok maybe not the most boring, but still how many children/foster children did they have that died in unrelated circumstances?

Anonymous Erevis Cale July 08, 2015 11:37 AM  

"On what planet can the likes of lying, libelous, Code of Conduct-violating individuals such as Irene Gallo and Patrick Nielsen Hayden be reasonably described as 'good people'? Observably not this one."

Christianists, racists, homophobes are bad human beings.

The opposite of these would thus be good people.

It really isn't that hard, stupids.

Blogger Rabbi B July 08, 2015 11:43 AM  

" . . . they do get aeay with it for longer than I am personally comfortable with."

Yes, but they have their reward already, and you and I have ours. You and I both know that they are not getting away with anything, the check just hasn't come due yet. I wouldn't trade places with them for anything.

As I was sharing with somebody just recently, The SJWs and their ilk, pay little or no regard to law or duty, and live only for themselves and for the satisfaction of their own needs, desires and caprices. They are more than happy to satisfy themselves at the expense of others, while constantly borrowing from the world without ever repaying their debts. With every breath they take, they become more deeply indebted to the world, and the greater the bankruptcy that will be charged to them when one day their souls are demanded of them and they depart this life.

It's different for you and me, simply because we place duty, honor, and service before all else, and we devote our lives to their fulfillment. Therefore, it is the world that owes us a debt of gratitude! And the fewer the goods and pleasures we have received from this world, the more does the world owe to us. It is as major creditors that you and I depart from the earth. So, while the SJWs are constantly contracting debts which they never repay, you and I are committed to always dealing generously with the rest of the world, steadfast, immovable, remaining valiant for the truth, while bestowing blessings wherever and whenever he can with no thought to reward.

Their only hope is in this world, which is passing away with all its charms and pleasures. As for you and me, our heart and treasure lie somewhere else, and for that I am truly grateful.

Anonymous ticticboom July 08, 2015 11:43 AM  

Remember that Rape Squared considers MZB, Breen, and Delaney 'good' people. If he said I was a good person I'd do some serious soul-searching.

Anonymous porphyry July 08, 2015 11:44 AM  

@Erevis are you for real cause I can't tell if you're parody or not. I mean I guess some people actually believe that a good person is the opposite of a bad person. Those people also happen to be what one would call mentally disfunctional. But this is 21rst century america so are you?

Blogger James Dixon July 08, 2015 11:49 AM  

> TrevorG, if you have a problem with the CEO of Castalia House, file a complaint with the CEO.

Which would be fine, but Vox isn't the CEO of Castalia House. He's their chief editor. Any complaints about Vox's behavior should be directed to Markku, where I'm sure they'll receive the attention they deserve. :)

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 08, 2015 11:50 AM  

`"Neither is most of fandom."

How does he know? The omniscient super powers of the SJW never cease to amaze. '

He probably doesn't know anyone who voted for Nixon either.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) July 08, 2015 12:04 PM  

"And I have yet to see anyone on the Puppy side apologize for anything, though their name-calling has far exceeded that coming from the fans."

Hm. Okay, I apologize for not having called for Patrick Nielsen Hayden's resignation while I was about it, instead of just Irene Gallo's and Moshe Feder's. I was misled by sentiment, having fondly recalled happier days on rec.arts.sf.fandom many years ago, and I could not bring myself to do so. In Tor's best interests, I should have been far more ruthless.

There, now. I've apologized, and I'm a Puppy. Surely Mr. Martin will be much happier now.

Blogger Nate July 08, 2015 12:12 PM  

if I were running a company today I would be absolutely furious at any employee that put the company in this position.

This is a true no win situation for them. If they don't fire Gallo... their Code of Conduct is meaningless and they face a boycott. If they DO fire her... the other side will almost certainly react with a boycott of its own.

The only way to handle this was to stay safely above the fray. But the Tor employees were to stupid for that.

Ultimately that is why they should be fired. They should be fired for dragging the company into a PR disaster over a fight that has nothing to do with the company.

Anonymous G.RapeRapeM July 08, 2015 12:17 PM  

the violation of Arya Stark wearing the face of Cersei Lannister by two Sparrows, seven nuns, Ser Robert Strong, and King Tomas's adopted kitten.

Your sources are wrong Arya Stark is going to be wearing the face of Bruce Jenner in that scene.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 08, 2015 12:36 PM  

if I were running a company today I would be absolutely furious at any employee that put the company in this position.

Agreed.

I would be even madder if I gave that employee a second chance, if she would apologize in public.

And said employee announced, that she was sorry Neo-Nazis were upset about being called Neo-Nazis.

Blogger Marissa July 08, 2015 12:44 PM  

Thank you, Joel.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 08, 2015 12:57 PM  

Rvrsaurus, I think the golden age of "manly sci-fi" could have used a little more diversity in the stories and characterizations.

The reason blacks make up a larger percentage of doctors than pilots is that its relatively hard to kill yourself via mistakes as a doctor, but has happened.

Can RR even tell us what makes those two "nice people?"

They sent him a pallet of Doritos

"Neither is most of fandom." How does he know? The omniscient super powers of the SJW never cease to amaze

Everyone he has not banned from his site agrees with him.

"20-APR-1968: Enoch Powell purged from British Conservative Party." Ironically enough, Hitler's birthday.

Even more ironic Powell was proved correct by what is called by some Hitler's revenge, & Kaddafi's revenge.

And I have yet to see anyone on the Puppy side apologize for anything,

I apologized immediately for being disingenuous after I posted that Bath House Barry stole money from little poor black kids in DC to pay for his parties. Not that I don't care but I am aware that DC corruption is so bad that the poor kids would be lucky if a dime from every dollar actually made it to them past all the corruption. http://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/former-dc-government-official-sentenced-fraud-involving-110000-grant-funded-2009 "used more than $350,000 in taxpayers’ money that was earmarked for the arts, youth recreation, and summer programs"

Anonymous IsMise July 08, 2015 1:07 PM  

"They sent him a pallet of Doritos " Coffee through nose.

Blogger Rabbi B July 08, 2015 1:10 PM  

"if I were running a company today I would be absolutely furious at any employee that put the company in this position."


True. And as it stands now, Tor's inaction has only exacerbated a situation they should have handled swiftly and decisively. If Tor had been savvy enough to have fired Ms. Gallo (or reprimanded her severely) as soon as they became aware of her actions, I don't think they would be facing any boycotts on either side of the aisle. This whole deal ultimately falls back on the executives at Tor and their abysmal failure to act and respond professionally as well.

Ms. Gallo's remarks were clearly directed against Tor's customer base, but apparently she gets a pass because she singled out the Sad and Rabid Puppies in an attempt to frame them as a reprehensible lunatic fringe who are deserving of her vitriol, which somehow justifies her unprofessional and deplorable conduct.

Ms. Gallo, while serving in the professional capacity at Tor, publicly ripped Tor's customer base and their authors, period. Let's hope the powers that be at Macmillan have more business sense than the sniveling, indecisive, and pandering execs currently lurking in the environs of Tor.

Anonymous Blume July 08, 2015 1:24 PM  

But Nate it does involve the company. Patrick just forgot to tell them about log rolling the Hugos and Nebula's. Every body in Tor knows that those two awards belong to them.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings July 08, 2015 2:25 PM  

Ohhh, how dare the right-brain dominant unpeople go around repeating Ms. Gallo's words, when it is like so totally obvious her feelings were so true, so brave, enabling her to stand up to those mean Puppies. And George R.R. Martin is surely feeling her pain in his own blubber-encysted heart, leading to this totally sincere call for basic human decency.

Can you all not feel what's going on here, the Tor boycott is creating huge ripples in the Force that radiate out to all feeling people, creating massive feelbad that is so totally difficult for them to deal with on top of any triggers they may have?

I feel for both Irene Gallo and George R.R. Martin, I really do. But I just can't quite seem to reach them...

Blogger Rabbi B July 08, 2015 2:28 PM  

@Feelings,

In deciding whether a breach of our Code has occurred or is about to occur you should ask yourself:

• Could this conduct be viewed as dishonest, unethical or unlawful?
• Could this conduct hurt Macmillan – e.g. could it cause us to lose credibility with customers or business partners?
• Could this conduct hurt other people – e.g. other employees or customers?
• Would I be embarrassed to see this conduct reported in the newspaper?
• DOES IT FEEL WRONG?

If the answers to any of these questions is “Yes” or “Maybe”, a potential issue exists that needs to be reported

Blogger Rabbi B July 08, 2015 2:29 PM  

(Macmillan's Code of Conduct)

FYI.

Blogger ray July 08, 2015 2:31 PM  

George Martin has invalidated his integrity, and his own works, showing that he is just another bullying Groupist coward who only pretends to stand for freedom of speech and imagination. Speech and imagination are allowed exclusively to those hewing to the Korrect ideological and psycho-sexual dogmas of the day, as defined by, well, George and his Groupers! lol And George, like Irene Gallo and the rest of the New Totalitarians, believe their political clique is invulnerable. After all, they rule the governments, courts, schools, corporations, media, and what's left of family. They rule the publishing houses and editorial boards and academic departments and administrations.

George's 'literature' can go straight into hell, along with his soul and the souls of his fellow-traveler thuglings. His precious works will be forgotten and his name eternally associated with cowardice and shame.

Have a nice forever punk.

Anonymous Lurking Minion Wannabe July 08, 2015 3:02 PM  

What I don't get is why they always seem to be thinking about the Rabid and Sad Puppies. I mean, Vox and other puppies have been pretty quiet lately about the boycott and the Hugos. There have been posts about the Greece situation, gaming, conventions, book signings, etc. They've basically been going about with their lives. Then you get Martin posting about the boycott and the columnist over at io9 writing about the Hugos and puppies and it almost seems like they're trying to stir up controversy and/or get attention. Don't they have other things to do?

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 08, 2015 3:24 PM  

" Any complaints about Vox's behavior should be directed to Markku ..."

Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha (evil laugh)

Blogger VD July 08, 2015 3:25 PM  

Don't they have other things to do?

They're worried. That's all. And when they're worried, they try to DISQUALIFY that which frightens them.

Blogger Groot July 08, 2015 5:17 PM  

@96. Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings:

"blubber-encysted heart": Now, that is some wordsmithing. But a blubber-encysted heart of gold. Or it might be Cheetos. Orange-ish, anyway.

@99. ray:

"his name eternally associated with cowardice and shame": and rape, give him his due.

Anonymous Scintan July 08, 2015 5:35 PM  

I spoke about this over the July 4th weekend. You can add 15-20 people to the list of people who will not be purchasing TOR Books until this is satisfactorily resolved.

Blogger Corvinus July 08, 2015 7:36 PM  

Slightly OT, but along the lines of companies going SJW, Apple seems to be running into trouble. Har har.

Blogger byronfrombyron July 08, 2015 8:47 PM  

My regrets would be not buying Sanderson, Wolfe, and Wright(not necessarily in that order), at least new until those three are gone. In Sanderson and Wolfe's cases, that's a potential HUGE hit in initial sales.

Of course, I almost hope the boycott succeeds the other way: SJW's spend all their book budget at Tor, and the other publishers have to abandon them.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 09, 2015 12:56 AM  

In one of the more recent developments, the Rabid Puppies and some of their allies and fellow travellers have declared a boycott of Tor Books.

More recent? Haven't all of the following happened since the Torcott was declared?

-Teh Confederate Flag was gang-tackled by a bunch of shrieking harpies
-Obamacare had it's second life-saving surgery performed by Dr. Chief Justice
-Gay weddings on unicorns were forcibly legalized across the land by judicial fiat
-A White tourist was slaughtered for shits and grins by vibrants in SF
-Grexit.
-A bunch of jackals are talking about digging up the bones of Confederate soldiers so they can bravely spit on the dead
-Two multi-millionaire vibrant NFL players blew their fingers off with fireworks
-Showing that whatever blacks can do, whites can do better, a dumbass in Main blew his head off with fireworks
-Rain actually fell in California.

Ol RapeRape is a little behind the times.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) July 09, 2015 1:00 AM  

They want to tear down rather than build up; the Tor boycott is proof of that.

They only have to open their eyes see what we build up and offer.... but then as noted above, SJW's always project.

That said, I think they actually don't believe there are many of us, or that we actually read the kind of stuffTor or their favorites publish at all.

Seriously, for Rape^2 post to make sense, one has to believe that a) There aren't hundreds or more of us on this side of the aisle who actually buy Tor books, so "stopping" won't actually be much of a boycott, and b) That on his side of the aisle there are enough people who will go spend even MORE money on books than they already do, and keep doing so.

In reply to the SJW review of RtRH, it was brought up that she was "continually amazed at how unprepared the Puppies were for the fact that bloc voting their stuff onto the Hugo ballot would result in it being read and reviewed by people with different tastes, opinions, and worldviews. "

They actually believe that tripe.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) July 09, 2015 2:43 AM  

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Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) July 09, 2015 2:47 AM  

"Teh Confederate Flag was gang-tackled by a bunch of shrieking harpies"

The myopic rabbits of the SJW Alliance don't yet realize that their bigotry against Southrons and hatred of U.S. history, their political correctness, and their Alinskyite lies and zealotry...have turned the Confederate Battle Flag into much more potent of a protest symbol than it's been since Lee surrendered. "IF YOU STRIKE ME DOWN, I SHALL BECOME MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE." We're all Rebels and Browncoats now, even here in the North. That ain't a rag, and we an't no fags,so it's now Our Flag!

Blogger Eraser July 09, 2015 5:59 AM  

Boycott question: Amazon says that the Kindle edition of The Three-Body Problem is published by Head of Zeus, which seems to be a UK-based ebook publisher. Does buying that count as buying from Tor books?

Blogger Mark Citadel July 09, 2015 10:44 AM  

Martin is a vile punk who is riding on the high of his own coat-tails. The fact that he throws in with these loathsome smear merchants and crypto-communists is very telling about his character, none of what it tells being very good.

Blogger byronfrombyron July 09, 2015 1:39 PM  

I personally prefer the modified version of the Bonnie Blue used in DMZ.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll0kexklmK1qz58pq.gif

Blogger Mignon510 July 09, 2015 3:13 PM  

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Blogger Mignon510 July 09, 2015 3:16 PM  

111 @Eraser

Info from Kobo:

Tom Doherty Associates, November 2014
Imprint:Tor Books

Amazon (Kindle):

Publisher: Tor Books (November 11, 2014)
Sold by: Macmillan

I don't see the publisher you saw.

VFM#243

Blogger Mignon510 July 09, 2015 3:28 PM  

My guess, having did some rudimentary look-up of Head of Zeus is they're a distributor of that title rather than the publisher. I could be wrong, though.

On general principle, I would not purchase, since the publisher is listed as Tor. This is my opinion only, and not a suggestion to follow by anyone else.

VFM#243

Blogger Eraser July 10, 2015 4:30 PM  

Mignon, I'm in Europe and even the US Amazon site lists Publisher: Head of Zeus for me. It must be a geolocation thing. Well, I guess part of the money will end up at Tor if I buy it...

Blogger Jordan179 July 11, 2015 12:05 PM  

And while I suppose it is possible that Mr. Sargent could simply throw out the company Code of Conduct in order to retain the services of an arrogant, entitled employee who believes she can treat his company's customers and authors with total contempt and still retain her job, I tend to doubt it.

Indeed. From a corporate, or even remotely sane point of view, Gallo has decided to insult and offend both the company's writers and its customers, apparently with the goal of locking the Hugos. But what she's done doesn't lock the Hugos (since saying mean things about other writers and fans doesn't actually stop them from voting on the Hugos) it's merely (1) made Tor a less desirable publisher to writers, who know that they may be randomly attacked by Tor officials, (2) reduced the customer base, and (3) galvanized those opposing the Tor lock on the Hugos. And the only gain from all of this has been posturing by a small clique of fandom. Which doesn't really help Tor at all!

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