ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2016 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Thursday, July 16, 2015

Getting killed over here

So they won't kill anyone over there... is that really how it's supposed to work?
4 Marines killed, 1 injured at Chattanooga military recruiting center.

UPDATE: “Two law enforcement sources told CBS News that the shooting suspect was identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.”
The problem isn't that there might be a backlash. The problem is that there won't be, at least not yet. Do Americans really need to wait until the Somalis suicide-bomb the Megamall before repatriating all of them back to their homelands?

Labels:

149 Comments:

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 July 16, 2015 4:34 PM  

Do Americans really need to wait until the Somalis suicide-bomb the Megamall before repatriating all of them back to their homelands?

Yes.
Probably a few times.

Anonymous AlteredFate July 16, 2015 4:36 PM  

Do Americans really need to wait until the Somalis suicide-bomb the Megamall before repatriating all of them back to their homelands?

The answer is: Yes, if even then. Where's my cookie?

Blogger AmyJ July 16, 2015 4:36 PM  

The fact that Trump swiftly rose to the head of the GOP pack after his anti-immigration remarks gives me a tiny bit of hope that repatriation won't require massive loss of American lives beforehand.

Anonymous Frank Brady July 16, 2015 4:37 PM  

Yes--because we are a "nation of immigrants", don't you see?

FJB

Anonymous Curlytop July 16, 2015 4:41 PM  

And "Gun Free Zone" places prove to be safe once again!

Blogger JartStar July 16, 2015 4:41 PM  

I'm confused on how the shooting happened in the first place since it was a gun free zone.

Anonymous grey enlightenment July 16, 2015 4:42 PM  

religion of peace

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 16, 2015 4:44 PM  

Damn I hate workplace accidents.

Blogger Alexander July 16, 2015 4:48 PM  

Heh - Trump came out the other day blasting this very point about military bases being disarmed. It's like the world is determined to prove Trump right as soon as his opponents have had enough time to publicly decry him.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 16, 2015 4:49 PM  

Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez -- Clearly a matter of workplace violence.

Anonymous Curlytop July 16, 2015 4:53 PM  

So when this guy's social media imagery shows he's flying a "Religion of Peace" flag, do we ban them all plus ALL other images, symbols celebrating the "religion of peace"? Why hasn't social media exploded w a # for this yet?

Anonymous Homesteader July 16, 2015 4:54 PM  

Religion of pieces...

Intimidation
stoning
lies
anarchy
murder.

As Derb points out, there are 59 nations in the OIS. Why are we bringing them here?


Anonymous RC July 16, 2015 4:54 PM  

"The shootings began at a recruiting center on Old Lee Highway in Chattanooga where five branches of the military all have adjoining offices. A gunshot rang out around 10:30 or 10:45 a.m., said Sgt. 1st Class Robert Dodge, 36, the center leader for U.S. Army recruiting at the center.

"Shortly after that, just a few seconds, the shooter began shooting more rounds. We realized it was an actual shooting," he said.

He and his colleagues then got on the ground and barricaded themselves in a safe place. Dodge estimated there were 30 to 50 shots fired."

What the hell? You've got military men who're under enemy attack and they barricade themselves into a safe room? They getting cop training now? Unbelievable.

Anonymous Soga July 16, 2015 4:54 PM  

Ban Islamic flags.

Wait, what do you mean? We only ban flags when it's a white shooter? Never mind. Carry on, then.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 16, 2015 4:55 PM  

What was it that they wanted to call terrorism, 'man made disaster' or something like that? I wonder if the interviewers are giving him time off for prayer.

Anonymous trev006 July 16, 2015 4:56 PM  

Repatriating? When people get really angry, their reaction might be to repatriate immigrants into the sea.

It's a real shame, but when the pendulum swings back from the current insanity, the sudden change won't be pretty.

Blogger Salt July 16, 2015 4:57 PM  

Do Americans really need to wait until the Somalis suicide-bomb the Megamall before repatriating all of them back to their homelands?

They will never be repatriated, not by the government anyway. That leaves but one choice.

Anonymous Soga July 16, 2015 5:00 PM  

Also, I want to see the Muslim "moderates" decry this, openly call the guy an apostate, and apologize to people on behalf of their extremist.

After all, we expect that of conservatives. And what are our friends of the religion of peace but conservative ol' boys?

Blogger M Cephas July 16, 2015 5:01 PM  

I have a feeling Trump is presenting himself as what the left considers an over-the-top caricature of the right.

His real intention is to get more votes for Hilary.

Anonymous BGS July 16, 2015 5:04 PM  

You've got military men who're under enemy attack and they barricade themselves into a safe room?

The 5th Tranny brigade can only pass the 2mile run time for males when in retreat.

I'm confused on how the shooting happened in the first place since it was a gun free zone

Obviously the schools failed the shooters literacy training.

Anonymous Curlytop July 16, 2015 5:06 PM  

@ Soga
That meme was actually used against Christians in the Charleston shooting. That Christians should decry Roof's actions. I couldn't find any info that the twerp was a card carrying follower but did read a local Lexington SC resident scoff: "He's not one of us. Family ain't from around here."

Blogger Tommy Hass July 16, 2015 5:07 PM  

"Also, I want to see the Muslim "moderates" decry this, openly call the guy an apostate, and apologize to people on behalf of their extremist."

He is a huge faggot and a heretic, not one of us.

It feels weird to say this because, well duh.

Anonymous BGS July 16, 2015 5:08 PM  

It's like the world is determined to prove Trump right as soon as his opponents have had enough time to publicly decry him

Either that or its ok to report crimes linked to what he said. Do you think the San Fran illegal alien killer of a white girl was the only one in history? Remember how quickly the navy yard shooter story died after it came out it was black or the Tulsa white guy that was killing gang bangers from the gang that murdered his dad?

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 16, 2015 5:16 PM  

He is a huge faggot and a heretic, not one of us.

So not only do faggots rape underage girls but they attack soldiers using high powered rifles now? I didn't get the memo. I might have to rethink going to the gay pride festival.

Blogger ICG July 16, 2015 5:22 PM  

The MSM was hoping Joe Billy Buckshot was the shooter, driving off with a big Confederate flag waving from his truck.

Oh well. No symbols or monuments will be removed in this case.

Anonymous Anonymous July 16, 2015 5:23 PM  

As Islamic State took CREDIT for this attack BEFORE it was on ANY news, we now can confirm that they were behind it. No doubt Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Dunham, will call for more gun control. WHAT an ASS! What an historic FAILURE as a leader!

Anonymous SugarPi July 16, 2015 5:24 PM  

Hey, who knew Muzzies are in Tennessee with the Russkies?

Blogger YIH July 16, 2015 5:26 PM  

AmyJ:
The fact that Trump swiftly rose to the head of the GOP pack after his anti-immigration remarks gives me a tiny bit of hope that repatriation won't require massive loss of American lives beforehand.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I still say ''out by October''.

Blogger Curtis July 16, 2015 5:29 PM  

Infowars has some of his twitter feeds: http://www.infowars.com/suspected-isis-twitter-account-claims-responsibility-for-chattanooga-shooting/

Blogger haus frau July 16, 2015 5:30 PM  

Trump us doing to immigration what he did to the birth certificate controversy, blowing up and deflating the issue to clear the way for the moderates.

Blogger Jeffrey Liss July 16, 2015 5:30 PM  

Boy, it's a good thing the NSA is spying on Americans so it can prevent this sort of thing.

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2015 5:31 PM  

"I'm confused on how the shooting happened in the first place since it was a gun free zone."

Zone's where you may shoot freely, obviously.

Blogger AmyJ July 16, 2015 5:32 PM  

@YIH

Yeah, it's not so much as the man but the support he's been getting that gives me that hope. Not all Americans have rolled over and given up.

Anonymous Roundtine July 16, 2015 5:32 PM  

How is a Kuwaiti shooter a domestic terrorist?

Anonymous A Visitor July 16, 2015 5:34 PM  

Hass,

Thank you. Having worked at different military bases in CA, though one was a recruiting center, I say this with some experience: let them carry! We just invite this thing by not letting them.

Anonymous chesty puller July 16, 2015 5:37 PM  

This would not be the first time that Marines were killed by Muslim terrorists in a gun free zone:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/01/30/aide-reagan-left-marines-vulnerable-in-beirut.html

Blogger Cail Corishev July 16, 2015 5:40 PM  

Most Americans believe 19 Arab Muslims, most of them from Saudi Arabia, did 9/11 and killed 3000 Americans. Yet I've never heard that any Saudis were repatriated, or that it was ever seriously discussed.

So I'm not sure one mega-mall bombing would do it. It'll take a series of multiple attacks in multiple places to convince Americans that it's not just a few bad apples -- or to scare them or piss them off enough that they're willing to throw out all the "good apples" to be rid of the bad ones.

Anonymous SugarPi July 16, 2015 5:42 PM  

It's domestic bc Prez Ovomit is an international citizen and we're a Muslim nation now. Time to arm our military, methinks.

Blogger jaericho (#107) July 16, 2015 5:42 PM  

ISIS is on twitter but don't worry that evil Heartiste is still suspended. Thank you twitter!

Blogger YIH July 16, 2015 5:43 PM  

Soga:
Also, I want to see the Muslim "moderates" decry this, openly call the guy an apostate, and apologize to people on behalf of their extremist.
Seen it all before, some moslim PR shill will go to some reporter and go ''OK, OK, I condemn terrorism'' then add ''But what about the White racists?'' and ''But what about the Israelis?''
Been there, done that, the t-shirt sucks...

Anonymous JN July 16, 2015 5:48 PM  

After the shooting, the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement that it was "enhancing the security posture at certain federal facilities, out of an abundance of caution."

Bigger signs?

Anonymous Randy M July 16, 2015 5:52 PM  

If we don't push back and seriously suggest banning the Islamic flag (any flag with crescent & star) we'r worthless idiots. Sorry Tommy, but the timliness makes the juxtaposition too awkward not to beat the proggies with.
Second, a gun free military base. What is the point of that? The holding pen for the pregnant women marines? Re-education center for those not down with the trans-marines?

Blogger YIH July 16, 2015 5:52 PM  

M Cephas:
Trump will do everything for the GOP that he did for the USFL.
Then, as in now, stroking his own ego.
He's the Psychic Friends Network of politics.

Anonymous SugarPi July 16, 2015 5:53 PM  

CAIR is heartbroken over this... and the Feds are flooding in.... but, hey, don't speculate on the motives of this gunman, you Haters!

OpenID ar10308 July 16, 2015 5:58 PM  

I don't think they're going to call this one "Work Place Violence", especially not since he shot people from his car, so they're gonna push as hard as possible to call this a "Road Rage Incident".

Blogger kh123 July 16, 2015 5:59 PM  

Lest we forget Little Rock from several years ago. Though that was more the John Singleton double-Muslim variety, working hard to increasing the Peace that only the grave can afford.

Anonymous Mudsack July 16, 2015 6:11 PM  

Any President with balls would immediately order that each and every uniformed service member carry a loaded sidearm at all times and everywhere they go.

Damn the voters who elected this, spit, weenie.

Blogger Sir Wilshire (#320) July 16, 2015 6:12 PM  

Chattanoogan here. I was wondering about the name when it was reported because a lot of local eyewitness reports were saying he was white (along with some liberals commenting about whites loving to commit mass shootings).

These pictures have just come up though. So I think that explains the mistaken reports.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/16/what-we-know-about-chattanooga-shooter/315002/

I was kind of surprised he didn't go shoot up the popular areas of downtown, despite that there would be many carriers there, plus a cop on every other block.

I suppose he thought he could get a higher kill-count at these gun-free spots.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 16, 2015 6:13 PM  

Why are we bringing them here?

The kind of amazing thing is that the diversity racketeers don't even give a reason anymore. They just do it. They handwave a bit about "refugees," but anyone who's paying any attention at all knows that's crap.

So there was never any national or even regional conversation about it, where they had to sell the people a bill of goods to get them on-board. There's no chance to say, "Obama lied, Minnesota died," because he's never even bothered to try to sell this program to Americans like Bush with Iraq WMDs. We just woke up one day and people were talking about "Mogadishu on the Mississippi," and we said, "Huh?"

About 50 miles from where I'm sitting, and 500 miles from the nearest border, is Beardstown, Illinois. Thanks to a big Cargill slaughterhouse there, the population was 18% Hispanic in 2000 (neighboring towns of similar size are all 95% white or higher). But in the last decade, they're gradually being replaced by Africans, who have the advantage of being legal, via the refugee programs. The median income is way below the rest of the area, and the poverty level way above.

Just 50 miles away, most people don't know about this change, and most of those who do don't know who these people are or why they're being brought here. It's just happening.

Anonymous SugarPi July 16, 2015 6:13 PM  

Shots fired from an auto.... that means checkpoints. Roadside TSA.

Blogger Sir Wilshire (#320) July 16, 2015 6:16 PM  

Also notice this quote in the article,

"Multiple people who said they went to Red Bank High School with Abdulazeez sent the Times Free Press photos of what appears to be his senior picture and senior quote in the school's yearbook.

'My name causes national security alerts," the quote reads. "What does yours do?'"

Indicates he was probably a "moderate" then. But of course we will be reassured that moderates aren't any more susceptible to being radicalized than any other person...

Blogger Achillea July 16, 2015 6:17 PM  

Another 'act of love," I see.

Blogger Groot July 16, 2015 6:21 PM  

@25. Tommy Hass:

"At least we're not as bad as what (and who) BigGaySteve does." That's where you're setting the bar? Did you just go there? Yes, you did.

Blogger YIH July 16, 2015 6:21 PM  

OT: This just in Colorado shooter guilty, not nuts.

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2015 6:23 PM  

"It'll take a series of multiple attacks in multiple places to convince Americans that it's not just a few bad apples -- or to scare them or piss them off enough that they're willing to throw out all the "good apples" to be rid of the bad ones."

Several years ago we invited Pastor Mujahid el Masih, who grew up in Pakistan and converted to Christianity, to speak at our synagogue. I remember him speaking of something called the "2020 plan" which he described as a methodical plan whose main objective was to see a Muslim flag flying over the White House by 2020.

He also made the case that there is truly no such thing as a moderate Muslim and spoke of a 20 point plan for conquering America by 2020.

I think ours was the first and perhaps only synagogue he had ever stepped foot in. FWIW, his story is very interesting.

Blogger Sir Wilshire (#320) July 16, 2015 6:30 PM  

Is your synagogue messianic Rabbi B?

Blogger Jack Aubrey July 16, 2015 6:36 PM  

"He was booked for DUI in April 2015." The MSM will tell us he couldn't have been a Muslim, and so this was just another poor soul driven to uncontrollable anger, probably because of Donald Trump's hatred for immigrants.

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2015 6:43 PM  

@Sir Wilshire

We believe Y'shua from Natzeret is the promised Messiah of Israel. (I'm not being evasive and I understand what you're asking, I just shy away from the term 'messianic' for reasons I won't go into here).

I also understand that the likelihood of him speaking in a synagogue that does not embrace Y'shua as the Messiah, is probably nil.

I just thought it was great to see the impact that the Messiah had on someone who had studied the Koran and Islam for 14 years in Pakistani schools and received military training in Pakistan. From Islamic teachers and the military pastor Masih was taught to hate Israel, Christians and all non-Muslims, and was very passionate to become a martyr for his country and the religion he was taught.

He later expressed to me what an amazing part of his journey to be sharing with people whom he had been taught to hate and whom, at one point in his life, he couldn't wait to destroy. It was a very moving experience for him and his family.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar July 16, 2015 6:45 PM  

You know, this tragedy will probably turn out as the result of White Privilege or slavery. I imagine as word begins to spread the media will start grasping at straws to stop the narrative collapse. They'll probably get one of those old hags that didn't get improved ratings even after repeated Botox treatments like Katie Cougar or Diane Seesaw. Maybe they can find his mother to explain that this wasn't about Islam at all and just the result of his years as a slave in Grease? Or Maybe another Broadway play? Those damn Broadway producers nned to start paying their interns! That cigar store Indian was saying the same thing before they found out she was taking money from Tobacconists wasn't she?

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 16, 2015 6:52 PM  

Rabbi B, I am curious about your religious beliefs do you have a website?

Blogger ray July 16, 2015 6:53 PM  

Do Americans really need to wait until the Somalis suicide-bomb the Megamall before repatriating all of them back to their homelands?


Back? America IS their Homeland. It's EVERYBODY'S Homeland except, well, those it actually was created and prepared for -- God's People.

We've been told for thirty years that WE didn't build our Homeland, THEY built it. You know, Barry and Michelle and VAWA Joe and John Bohnerhead and etc. They are the owners of New Transformed America.



The U.S. belongs to the corporate/old money elite and whatever lackey Identity Thugs they place into power. Nobody is going back to Somalia, or Kenya, or Indonesia. They have been installed into authority here, over us. Along with their wives and daughters.

Hey, if the Evil White Christian Males hadn't oppressed Barack Muhammed Hussein Yousself Abduleez so horribly, so unequally, so racistly and sexistly, why, he wouldn't have had to shoot whoever he did. So you better hump that bloody load onto your privileged backs too, and get your asses onto the Side Of The Future.

Anonymous TLM July 16, 2015 6:53 PM  

Military bases, and especially recruiting offices, are very soft targets. Even back in the 80s, I had to keep my private firearms in my units armory. And to get them out was a major pain in the ass. Finally had a buddy that lived off post and started keeping them there.

Anonymous zen0 July 16, 2015 6:53 PM  

55. Rabbi B

He also made the case that there is truly no such thing as a moderate Muslim and spoke of a 20 point plan for conquering America by 2020.

I don't know if you have heard of Walid Shoebot, ex-muslim now catholic, who has said pretty much the same thing. In fact, he was part of a group that openly declared it on college campuses many years ago.

It reminds me of Hitler writing Mein Kamph, and the Jews in Germany telling each other " oh, he doesn't actually mean it, he is just grandstanding".

Blogger Sir Wilshire (#320) July 16, 2015 6:57 PM  

"I'm not being evasive and I understand what you're asking, I just shy away from the term 'messianic' for reasons I won't go into here"

Understandable. Your preference or the synagogue's too? It would be an interesting topic to discuss on your blog sometime. I've also heard of the term, "Apostolic Judaism", but used mainly for the first century Jewish communities.

The story of the Pakistani believers reminds of me of stories I've heard of palestinian believers in fellowship with believing synagogues.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 16, 2015 7:08 PM  

Do Americans really need to wait until the Somalis suicide-bomb the Megamall before repatriating all of them back to their homelands?

Why would we leave any left to repatriate?

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2015 7:20 PM  

60. Donn #0114 July 16, 2015 6:52 PM

"Rabbi B, I am curious about your religious beliefs do you have a website?"

Not for the synagogue, but I recently started a blog you can visit if you like. Also, feel free to email me. (rebbaruch10@gmail.com)

Ashrei

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2015 7:21 PM  

"Your preference or the synagogue's too?"

Both.

Blogger YIH July 16, 2015 7:25 PM  

TLM:
Military bases, and especially recruiting offices, are very soft targets. Even back in the 80s, I had to keep my private firearms in my units armory. And to get them out was a major pain in the ass. Finally had a buddy that lived off post and started keeping them there.
For years there was a claim that Clinton disarmed all the bases, Snopes says False.
Apparently, It was during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, not Bill Clinton, that the U.S. Department of Defense issued a directive in February 1992 affecting the carrying of firearms on bases by military personnel. That directive was eventually implemented through a regulation 190-14 issued by the Department of the Army (not via executive order) in March 1993, just two months after President Clinton assumed office.
Could that be correct? Sure, Bush Sr. didn't care, Clinton liked it, but even more tellingly, Bush Jr. never lifted a finger to change it - even when it was politically expedient to do just that, after 9/11.
Bush/Clinton 2016 - Because the American Empire deserves it... Good and hard

Blogger njartist July 16, 2015 7:26 PM  

@26. Anonymous July 16, 2015 5:23 PM

As Islamic State took CREDIT for this attack BEFORE it was on ANY news, we now can confirm that they were behind it.

Link, please. Thanks.

Anonymous redsash July 16, 2015 7:27 PM  

We WASPs need to drive the foreigners out, then drive out those who let them in.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 16, 2015 7:27 PM  

"Yet I've never heard that any Saudis were repatriated, or that it was ever seriously discussed."

There were quite a few repatriated on 9/11. Bush the Lesser let them fly out while all other planes were grounded.


This was an attack on a military target. So it was an act of war, not terrorism or a common crime.

Blogger Mint July 16, 2015 7:36 PM  

Maybe US can learn something from Hungary.

Hungary becomes the first country to shut its doors to migrants.

Indonesia has refugees from Middle east countries, just that their main destination is not Indonesia but ... another White majority area, yup you guessed it, that is our neighbour country: Australia. They have problem accessing Australia, forced to live in Indonesia for awhile until another wave of refugees arrive within our archipelago.

Blogger YIH July 16, 2015 7:38 PM  

njartist:
Link, please. Thanks.
Pamela Geller is claiming she got that in her twit feed.
Make of it what you will.

Blogger YIH July 16, 2015 7:41 PM  

Note: The twit feed Geller claims she got it from has been suspended.

Blogger njartist July 16, 2015 7:46 PM  

@73. YIH
Thanks.
And that was damn fast re her Twitter feed: it's almost as though there is a core group of not SJW but NSA riding herd over Twitter accounts; naah, that's just conspiracy nuttery.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 16, 2015 8:00 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 16, 2015 8:00 PM  

In the name of Bo, Luke, Daisy, Uncle Jesse and the General Lee, it's time to ban Islamic scimitars from the Shriner's clown cars!!

Blogger YIH July 16, 2015 8:05 PM  

njartist:
Not her twit feed:
Tweet hat tip Jim Hoft. (link to suspended)
It is possible she grabbed a random dead twit feed and shopped the 'ISIS post' - just to burnish her image.

OpenID Lounor July 16, 2015 8:09 PM  

I dare Obama to post "gun-free-zone" on all White House doors and disarm all of his Secret Service agents!

Blogger Viktor Elefant July 16, 2015 8:15 PM  

I think this means that Walmart and Amazon will stop selling flags bearing the star and crescent,

Blogger Ragin' Dave July 16, 2015 9:04 PM  

Do Americans really need to wait until the Somalis suicide-bomb the Megamall before repatriating all of them back to their homelands?

Yes. The America that elected and re-elected Barack Hussein Obama is too gutless and cowardly to do what needs to be done with regard to ISIS. Even if you were to drop the 82nd Airborne into Ramadi and have them root ISIS out, the howls of outrage from the traitors on the Left would burst our collective eardrums.

I wait for Iran to detonate a nuke in a major Democrat city before the Left would bestir itself enough to fight back.

Blogger Curtis July 16, 2015 9:17 PM  

Ah yes, the old Iran is going to nuke America. Maybe after Iran gets the bomb and CIA-ISIS takes over Iran.

Blogger bw July 16, 2015 9:34 PM  

Do Americans really need to wait until the Somalis suicide-bomb the Megamall before repatriating all of them back to their homelands?

The US military and Intel and State Dept/Govt brought them here and allowed them to be here.
It's way more simple than people are making it.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 16, 2015 10:16 PM  

Trump is right again.

Anonymous Musashi #0350 July 16, 2015 10:18 PM  

It should be obvious that we're going to have to decide whose country this is....again.

Our present path only leads to violence....

Blogger Tiny Tim July 16, 2015 10:18 PM  

Walid Shoebat speaking truth.

Anonymous BGS July 16, 2015 10:19 PM  

"Yet I've never heard that any Saudis were repatriated, or that it was ever seriously discussed."

Here is one of those minor local news stories of moslems misbehaving on campus and being allowed to fly off before being arrested, one of the commenters said they did it for a rape at the same campus as well. Staff helped them fly out before consequences.
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/saudis-tried-to-shield-students-from-scandal-at-montana-tech/article_c9d7440e-b244-5bde-96a6-2f68f06bdb5c.html

"At least we're not as bad as what (and who) BigGaySteve does." That's

Not All Faggots Are Like That. I have only had consensual adult sex or within 2 years of my age. Since I was 17 I had jobs that had the possibility of random drug testing. I have contributed more in taxes than I will ever get back. Except for speeding tickets I have a clean criminal history. Probably all the conservative gays in America post on gay patriot.

Blogger Steveo #238 July 16, 2015 10:33 PM  

The answer is bacon. Preferably at 860 fps, in a 230 gr JHP.

Blogger bw July 16, 2015 10:34 PM  

"....I just assumed the Government itself was doing the Bombing"

- Orwell , 1984

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 16, 2015 10:53 PM  

If yhere such 2020 plan, if is being cartied out by Saudis/wahabbis/sunnies and not shiites.

BTW, Islam may be accused of many things but anarchism ain't one of them.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 16, 2015 11:25 PM  

The problem's even less tractable than you think. They've been inside the US. They know how to get in and to blend in, or, at least, many of them will. Boot them, and they have reason to hate us. Reason to hate us, plus ability to infiltrate us, plus ability to blend in with us, means they're too dangerous to let go. The options then become unending murder (of ours), surrender, camps, or death. Not pleasant, to be sure, but I think those are it.

Anonymous paradox July 16, 2015 11:27 PM  

Steveo #238
The answer is bacon. Preferably at 860 fps, in a 230 gr JHP.


Bacon Bits 12 Gauge Shotgun Shells

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 16, 2015 11:29 PM  

worked for the japanese why not the islamics? They've proven to be worse than any interred japanese were.

Anonymous Homesteader July 16, 2015 11:40 PM  

Never been to the middle east, have you?
Never heard the term "Persian Bazaar"?
Never seen midddle eastern traffic?
Never seen business in a "5 prayers a day plus ablutions" zone?

When "Insh'Allah" is your answer to all of life's issues, things get messy around the edges.



Anonymous zen0 July 16, 2015 11:45 PM  

90. Jaimie in Texas

Ift there such 2020 plan, if is being cartied out by Saudis/wahabbis/sunnies and not shiites.

Rabbi B's info says it originated in the Muslim Brotherhood. You know, the guys Obama wanted to run Egypt, and where Hillary's prime aide, Huma Abedin comes from.

Huma Abedin's mother is Dr. Saleha Mahmood Abedin is one of the founding members of the Muslim Sisterhood, and more importantly the long-time chairperson of the “International Islamic Committee for Woman and Child” (IICWC), which wants to impose Sharia law on Egypt, and eventually, the West.

That 2020 plan seems to be working fairly well.

Anonymous Moo July 16, 2015 11:57 PM  

--I wait for Iran to detonate a nuke in a major Democrat city before the Left would bestir itself enough to fight back.--

Unlikely. Why buy the cow when you get milk for free?

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 17, 2015 12:03 AM  

Egypt 1 point for shia
Everywhere else, for the win, sunni.

These uSA, doing the Saudi/sunni's and Israel's dirty work against shia.

We are doing it to ourselves ... okay, too many doing it to some of us.

Paging Mr. Pogo, paging Mr. Pogo.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 12:04 AM  

>If there is such 2020 plan, if is being cartied out by Saudis/wahabbis/sunnies and not shiites.

The Iranians have their own destiny to fulfil, according to some Jewish scholars who base their eschatalogical view on the idea that Iran is being strengthened by God and brought forward to conduct a cleansing of the unfaithful from Israel.

The US has less to fear from Iran than the Saudis do. In one stroke, Obama has allied Israel's interests with that of the Saudis in the classic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" way of the Mid East.

I am certainly not saying they knew what they were doing, because they are corrupt morons, but those are the easiest to bend to One's will, if One is directing the endless Clusterfuck of History.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 17, 2015 12:07 AM  

BTW, zen0, is that Sharia law the same as in Saudi Arabia? You do know that Iran is a way much more open society than Saudi Arabia's.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 17, 2015 12:10 AM  

It is Saudi Arabia that findx thd so-called madrassas all over the world. Who is wagging who?

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 12:20 AM  

>99. JaimeInTexas July 17, 2015 12:07 AM

BTW, zen0, is that Sharia law the same as in Saudi Arabia? You do know that Iran is a way much more open society than Saudi Arabia's.

Iran seems to have a dog's breakfast of sharia and non-sharia ingredients.

I do not know if it is more open or just the difference between Coke and Pepsi, Ford and Chevrolet, Democrats and Republicans.

Of the two, I think the Iranians seem more like Hillbillys and Saudis are townfolk.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 17, 2015 12:29 AM  

What the hell? You've got military men who're under enemy attack and they barricade themselves into a safe room?

Tell me again how the US civilian population has no chance...


...enhancing the security posture...

Bigger signs?


Maybe print them in Arabic?

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 July 17, 2015 12:34 AM  

Repatriate all of them back to their homelands and put the military at the border, ports, & airports to keep them out.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 12:36 AM  

>It is Saudi Arabia that findx thd so-called madrassas all over the world. Who is wagging who?

Ok. Who is wagging who? Greece or the Euros?
This is why I used the term Clusterfuck and not a dog analogy.
Who is using who, the John or the Whore?

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 17, 2015 12:37 AM  

"Of the two, I think the Iranians seem more like Hillbillys and Saudis are townfolk."

Not even close. Iran is cosmopolitan, Saudi is like sheep herders in 6th century.

Blogger Groot July 17, 2015 12:43 AM  

@87. BGS: "Not All Faggots Are Like That."

I was poking a little fun at 25.Tommy Hass, not you. Don't you, of all people, go getting all defensive, for crying out loud. Your brash outrageousness is funny.

Also, "I have only had consensual adult sex or within 2 years of my age," logically allows for non-consensual sex with people not within 2 years of your age. I don't think that's what you meant to say.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 12:47 AM  

102. Jack Amok

Tell me again how the US civilian population has no chance...

I'll tell you how. Do you think civilians are going to be sensible and target a gun free zone to kill a bunch of pawns ? Do you?

They would consider it dishonorable.

Do the Swat teams consider it dishonorable.?
No.
And thus the civilians will lose.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 17, 2015 12:53 AM  

They would consider it dishonorable.

Do the Swat teams consider it dishonorable.?
No.
And thus the civilians will lose.


I think we're talking about different types of civilians.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 12:54 AM  

81. Ragin' Dave

I wait for Iran to detonate a nuke in a major Democrat city before the Left would bestir itself enough to fight back.

If you read the 2020 plan, it would be Saudis detonating the nuke, not Iran. Iran is Israel's problem, not Americas.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 12:58 AM  

106. Groot

Your brash outrageousness is funny.

Depends if you are lying prone in an alley with your pants down and a fifty dollar bill clutched in your sweaty fist.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 17, 2015 1:05 AM  

zen0 , even if what you say is true 4GW is by its nature adaptive. After a few loses they'll learn.

Also some in the patriot movement are already openly planing for a dirty war and would relish gun free zones with legitimate targets Hell after Connecticut considered door to door gun confiscation, the people there not only did not comply but also doxxed everyone who voted for the bill. It was a polite way of saying "we aren't afraid of you."

The "Left" here kind of assumes that people will huddle at home and be picked off and this is not the case. . They won't attack civilians but they won't play nice either. And don't worry about the press either, Sipsey Street granted only a small part of the "patriot" crowd calls it Bill Clinton's rule of engagement. The press basically is a lawful wartime target now too.

Happily these are Conservative people by nature and aren't hunting trouble . If they were, the US would be on fire now. Give it time though and don't count them out. The ideological blinders are coming off bit by bit.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 1:10 AM  

Oh, and that reminds me. How do all you people who think Israel dictates the US foreign policy reconcile this one?

Please do not try to tell me that it is some super secret blown cover as cover move, unless you can chart the steps.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 1:13 AM  

111. A.B. Prosper

> Give it time though and don't count them out.

Advice received, attitude corrected.

Blogger Groot July 17, 2015 1:50 AM  

@110. zen0: "Depends if you are lying prone in an alley with your pants down and a fifty dollar bill clutched in your sweaty fist."

I confess, your porn thoughts don't run the same course as mine. Ew!

Blogger Curtis July 17, 2015 2:26 AM  

The Bush/Obama 7 countries in 5 years plan (+Ukraine) is/was not for naught. We're still going to get Iran. Otherwise, TP'sTB will not control the Caspian Sea, Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Persian Gulf, and environs therein. A little blow-back is expected. In fact, a little blow-back helps TP'sTB.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 17, 2015 5:22 AM  

I think we're talking about different types of civilians.

"Well my name's John Lee Pettimore...."

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 17, 2015 5:40 AM  

White people who were formerly Christian or are from Christian legacies are anxious to go extinct.

I predict apathy and passivity in our country's future, as far as Islamic terrorism is concerned.

Anonymous BGS July 17, 2015 9:29 AM  

Connecticut considered door to door gun confiscation, the people there not only did not comply but also doxxed everyone who voted for the bill.

They even doxxed the family members for those who voted for the bill.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2015 9:30 AM  

> 114. Groot

>I confess, your porn thoughts don't run the same course as mine. Ew!

When I first heard that one, the 5 bucks was only a nickel. Had to adjust for inflation.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 17, 2015 10:20 AM  

"Why would we leave any left to repatriate?"

Look at this fag cosplaying Genghis Khan.

Seriously, imagine the psychosis of those unironically stating "there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim". If there isn't why are there several leaders killing and imprisoning Islamists? Hmm?

Blogger Kevin Blackwell July 17, 2015 10:49 AM  

Step 1:Kill them over there.
Step 2:Bring them here.
Step 3:??????
Step 4:Profit.

Denial of reality.

Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 17, 2015 12:38 PM  

"The options then become unending murder (of ours), surrender, camps, or death. Not pleasant, to be sure, but I think those are it."

There's another, more viable option--have law enforcement prosecute only those radical Muslims who commit heinous crimes on American soil, while protecting the liberty of American Muslim citizens, who were quick to condemn the murders.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2015/07/16/local-muslim-community-reaction--chattanooga-shooting/30264855/

Blogger Marissa July 17, 2015 12:43 PM  

Iran seems to have a dog's breakfast of sharia and non-sharia ingredients.

I do not know if it is more open or just the difference between Coke and Pepsi, Ford and Chevrolet, Democrats and Republicans.

Of the two, I think the Iranians seem more like Hillbillys and Saudis are townfolk.


I think Iran is second in the world to Thailand for transsexual operations. A very strange place.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 17, 2015 2:41 PM  

Seriously, imagine the psychosis of those unironically stating "there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim". If there isn't why are there several leaders killing and imprisoning Islamists? Hmm?

To encourage the others? There's no reason for the people accused to be actual moderates or even have appeared to be so. Random sweeps and witch trials work just as well. Better even sometimes.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 17, 2015 3:12 PM  

Sorry, SS, but, assuming those Muslims are good Muslims - in Islamic terms, not in ours - condemning the murders is more probably an act of Taqiyya than anything sincere. You can delude yourself about that if you like. I trust you'll forgive those who prefer not to be deluded.

You are, though, missing the point, which was rebuttal to the notion of deportation en masse. They may or may not be dangerous, now. Deported, though, and given a reason to hate us even more, they will become dangerous because of the hatred and because they can blend in. Thus, we really can't, or at least, if wise, shouldn't.

However, because we can't safely deport them, if they become dangerous enough they must be encamped or done away with; that, or we must surrender. Moreover, they don't actually have to become all that dangerous before the popular will will demand they be rendered safe, which is to say deported, which is a non-starter, killed or encamped.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 17, 2015 4:27 PM  

Another tragedy that could have been avoided. How awful. meanwhile the gunman is dead, again, interesting

Anonymous hausfrau July 17, 2015 8:48 PM  

I think Iran is second in the world to Thailand for transsexual operations. A very strange place.

I have heard this is because the government strong arms gay men into having the operation or being prosecuted for homosexuality. Now I don't know if this is true but it would certainly make a lot of sense.

Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 17, 2015 10:10 PM  

"Sorry, SS, but, assuming those Muslims are good Muslims - in Islamic terms, not in ours - condemning the murders is more probably an act of Taqiyya than anything sincere."

Probably being the operative word. So, it's really speculation. Muslims, just like Jews and Christians, have significant religious disagreements within their faith. It is easy for some people to lump Jews together as being actively pursuing Zionism, for example, even though some Jews may have tacit support or have no opinion on the matter whatsoever. Sure, those Muslims MAY be lying when they say they condemn the violence by "one of their own", SHOULD they view Taqiyya stringently. They could easily be sincere as Americans who simply practice Islam in a manner that to some is "blasphemous", meaning they do not take everything in the Koran literally.


"You can delude yourself about that if you like. I trust you'll forgive those who prefer not to be deluded."

You are deluding yourself into thinking that a statement made by American Muslims is decidedly and underhandedly nefarious.


"You are, though, missing the point, which was rebuttal to the notion of deportation en masse."

No, I got the point. The assumption is that the general public, out of being "harmed" by Muslims en masse, will be united toward efforts ensuring that Muslims who are citizens of the United States will be booted. The likelihood of daily, multiple mass murders in several states by hordes of Muslims, with victims in the hundreds or thousands, occurring in the United States within our lifetimes which puts into motion mass deportation of Muslims? Akin to being struck by lightning in the same place by different storms a dozen times in a row.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 18, 2015 12:49 AM  

You seem to be stuck in a civilized law context. The law and civilization, however, only carry you so far, having little to say about or do with an existential conflict. In those circumstances, reasonable doubt and beyond a reasonable doubt are inoperative. In other words, it is not necessary to know that X, in a bunker along the Atlantic Wall, June, 1944, is a committed Nazi. It is sufficient to know that he's probably a German soldier, possibly committed, and certainly of more value to us dead than manning a gun.

As for "just as easily be sincere Americans," have you delved at all into the Quran? It's really not possible to be both a sincere Muslim and a sincere American. All the important things, and no small number of trivial things, under Islam, are already laid down by God, Almighty, and there is no room, no legitimate power in man, to change them by democratic legislation. Now one can be a bad Muslim and a sincere American, yes, just as one can be a bad American and a sincere Muslim, or a bad American _and_ a bad Muslim. But sincere and good in both regards? That's simply ignorant. And as for various splinter sects of Islam, more or less progressive ones, Mohammad (PBUH) has already notified us that they're going to Hell.

Now there is a school of Islam, called "Quranic," one offshoot of which can be found at submission.org (if they're still around; these things come and go), that may appear more theologically sound (I think it is) and more suitable for living in a western democracy. The problem, though, even with those more "enlightened" versions of Islam, that God has already decreed certain things which man may not, repeat NOT, alter by vote or legislation.

I'm not sure where you got the requirement for daily mass murder in the hundreds of thousands. I think it would take far, far less than that, and nothing akin to multiple lightning strikes.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 18, 2015 12:51 AM  

The Iranians are morally ingenious, in any case, hausfrau, so it may be so.

Anonymous Discard July 18, 2015 4:24 AM  

Tom Kratman: If I understand you right, we can't deport Middle Easterners because they will then hate us and be able to sneak back, blend in, and commit terrorist acts.
But they can't blend in, unless we keep a population of "Good Ones" that they can use as cover.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 18, 2015 5:50 AM  

Not so. The difference in appearance between an Arab Moslem and a Hispanic Catholic (or Protestant, yes they exist) is minimal. Hell, there are any number of blond, blue eyed reverts, plus Chechnens, who look just like us. Good chance they speak English without a foreign accent. Matter of fact, the only substantial population of people with eyes like mine that I've ever seen were Moslems.

Let's say, too, that we devise a test, something they have to do that's incompatible with islam? That's where Taqiyya comes in.

Note that the only way Spain was able to solve their internal problem with Moslems and theoretical ex-Moslems was by deportation, en masse, supplemented bya fair amount of killing but that was in the days a) before really good firearms, high explosives. and refined poisons, b) where their own population - "the nation with the bloody footprint" - was made of stouter stuff than is ours.

Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 18, 2015 10:15 AM  

“It is sufficient to know that he's probably a German soldier, possibly committed, and certainly of more value to us dead than manning a gun.”

How silly of me not to affirmative believe that American Muslims by the droves right now, within our midst, are planning to take over America by hook or by crook.


“It's really not possible to be both a sincere Muslim and a sincere American.”

The same argument is made by those that one cannot be a sincere Christian and a sincere American or a sincere Jew and a sincere American. Religion has been deemed pliable by the modernity crowd; it has been reinterpreted and shaped. Strict adherents call those beliefs and practices as a deviation from the “true faith”—they must choose one or the other (the altar of the state or the altar of the Church). Opponents counter with specific passages that lend creedance to their position, that in essence they can pray to both. Hence, religion today has become messy. I take it that if a Muslim, Jew, or Christian who is a citizen of a country says there are sincere in their admonishment of radicals co-opting the faith for their own purposes, they are being sincere until that particular person or group distinctly proves otherwise. Call me ignorant. As Vox says, I don’t care.


“Mohammad (PBUH) has already notified us that they're going to Hell.”

“The problem, though, even with those more "enlightened" versions of Islam, that God has already decreed certain things which man may not, repeat NOT, alter by vote or legislation.”

Why should those “enlightened” Muslims, or for that matter Christians/Jews (the “Cathedral) be concerned ideological opponents state that their “version” of the religion they practice is eternally damning? The “enlightened” crowd, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, is perfectly content with religious interpretations of the Good Books. Perhaps I ought to put to the test my Muslim-American neighbors down the street to determine whether they are purposely concealing their inherent nature in the name of Allah out of fear of being potentially persecuted by non-believers such as myself.


“I'm not sure where you got the requirement for daily mass murder in the hundreds of thousands. I think it would take far, far less than that.”

Even ten Oklahoma City bombings within a year will PROBABLY not entice the majority of Americans to demand for immediately stripping Muslims of their citizenship and deporting them for their “safety”.



“Let's say, too, that we devise a test, something they have to do that's incompatible with islam?”

Incompatible with “pure” Islam, yes. Religion has been bastardized for centuries, aka Luther’s 95 Theses. Furthermore, you truly think that this “test” will ever see the light of day? The SJW’s will NEVER let it get to more than an idea being floated around by some crazies.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 18, 2015 3:34 PM  

You're obviously a progressive, SS, since you keep mis-characterizing the question - torturing it, really - until it gives you the answers you want. It really doesn't matter if there are droves or hundreds or mere dozens; if they are perceived to be dangerous enough - and that's a lot less than the 100k daily you were sputtering on about earlier - they're leaving or dying or being encamped; or we surrender to those small numbers. The point, though, is that, in war, law doesn't operate the way you wish it would. "Survival cancels programming," to take one of the only two profound thoughts in Star Trek, TOS. Now, you can refuse to believe that the Muslims in our midst are not trying to take over, but if so, you are insulting them _deeply_, accusing them of everything from apostasy to infidelity, and I think they're within their rights to shorten you by a couple or feet or, at least, a head for your insults to them.

The difference, you dunderheaded oaf, is that of Jews and Christians it is not true - and of Christians it really can't be true, since America was founded and more than other states has remained a Christian nation - while for Moslems, if they are sincere and devout, it is true. In our books, God rarely speaks or commands, and most of the rules are man-made, hence can be overturned. This is not so under Islam, where the rules come down directly; God, Allah, is the speaker throughout something over 99% of the Quran. Thus, the rules are not changeable and people who do not adhere to them simply are NOT and CANNOT BE good Muslims.

This would all be easier if you weren't so incredibly ignorant of the subject of Islam, you know.

It would, however, be harder if you weren't so devoid of argumentative ability. Devoid? Why yes, since you have just illustrated in your own words the problem - you cannot tell about your neighbors, nobody can tell about any Muslim, therefore distinction and discrimination in the interests of fairness and justice is impossible and they have to be treated as a mass. Idiot.

It would take much less than 10 OKC bombings a year to do that, and there are surely enough radical jihadist wannabes within the US for that many.

And, again, your ignorance of the subject matter really disqualifies you from comment; Islam is NOT any other religion; it is not just divinely inspired, but divinely dictated, and no subject to legislation. Until you recognize that, your comments are worthless.

Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 18, 2015 11:59 PM  

“You're obviously a progressive, SS”

Progressive, conservative, fascist, racist…those terms today are devoid of any sort of meaning. They are co-opted by ideologues.


“if they are perceived to be dangerous enough - and that's a lot less than the 100k daily you were sputtering on about earlier - they're leaving or dying or being encamped; or we surrender to those small numbers.”

That perception of danger has to have significance and substance behind it. There is no leaving or dying or encampment or surrender unless there is substantial and perpetual acts of violence committed on such a grand scale that necessitates a mob mentality and/or Congressional action to deport American Muslims who are citizens.


“Now, you can refuse to believe that the Muslims in our midst are not trying to take over…”

Little Habib down the street from me is planning my children’s untimely demise. I will inform them that their playdate on Monday has been canceled.


“but if so, you are insulting them _deeply_, accusing them of everything from apostasy to infidelity, and I think they're within their rights to shorten you by a couple or feet or, at least, a head for your insults to them.”

Only fundamental Muslims with a taste for blood would find my actions blasphemous.


“In our books, God rarely speaks or commands,”

God spoke clearly. Deuteronomy 17—If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

All Scripture is the word of God. He orders us, His followers, to observe the tenets of the Bible. Men and women have debated, and will continue to debate, what those tenets actually mean, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.


“Thus, the rules are not changeable and people who do not adhere to them simply are NOT and CANNOT BE good Muslims.”

According to the fundamentalists, yes. Similar to those Christian or Jewish traditionalists who insist that there is but one way to worship or one way to interpret their holy book.


“nobody can tell about any Muslim, therefore distinction and discrimination in the interests of fairness and justice is impossible and they have to be treated as a mass.”

That is unreasonable and irrational. It’s as if one can tell the difference between Christians or Jews, but not adherents to Islam. Because, after all, Muslims are ultimately one in the same, right?


“there are surely enough radical jihadist wannabes within the US for that many.”

Wannabes is the operative word here. Why would Muslim Americans want to wait to prove their devotion to Allah? Aren’t they all eager to blow themselves up?

Blogger Tom Kratman July 19, 2015 3:02 AM  

So progs would like people to believe.

A lot fewer than an OKC a month would be significant and substantial.

You are also not capable of understanding the difference between rarely and never? How sad for you.

No, and it appears you are ineducable on what the book demands.

To pretend the problem is something other than it is, which you insist upon, is unreasonable and irrational. To see the problem as it is is, in fact, reasonable and rational.

Again, we were discussing OKC. How many of the OKC bombers blew themselves up? Idiot.



Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 19, 2015 12:19 PM  

“So progs would like people to believe”

No. Fundamentalists—Muslim, Christian Jew—would like people to practice their faith in only one way. Why can’t you wrap your head around this fact?


“A lot fewer than an OKC a month would be significant and substantial.”

But not enough to for “nativists” to demand that Muslim American citizens to be deported.


“How many of the OKC bombers blew themselves up?”



How many Muslim-Americans today are blowing themselves up?


“No, and it appears you are ineducable on what the book demands.”

I clearly pointed out that the Bible demands its followers kill non-followers. Christians today are neglecting this “duty”.


“To see the problem as it is is, in fact, reasonable and rational.”


You make many assumptions that you are right in every single regard.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 19, 2015 2:43 PM  

Frankly, SS, you seem stupid, arrogant, ignorant, disingenuous, and delusional. It's a rare but not unknown combination. Enjoy your fantasy.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 19, 2015 3:07 PM  

Addendum: in your incarnate ignorance I suppose you were unaware that Deuteronomy means "second law," and that it is man speaking therein, not God. The man is specifically alleged to be Moses, though it was almost certainly composed well after him, to suit an earthly agenda, and therefore lacks even that close a connection to God. Conversely the speaker in the Quran - as has been bounced off your neutronium dense skull half a dozen times so far - is GOD. This makes it different. Idiot.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 19, 2015 6:27 PM  

The Law of Moses was given to Hebrews as their law, to be their civil, ceremonial and priestly/ecclesiastical laws. Christians learn principles from those Old Testament laws but do not necessarily have to implement them as the civil laws of non-Israel countries. Obviously, ceremonial and ecclesissstical laws were fullfilled in Christ, Christians' High Priest and Prophet, and usefull only in pointing to Him.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 19, 2015 7:09 PM  

Yes, Jaime, but Deuteronomy is a little different. It does not appear to have been revealed and mandated law, dating from Moses and his face time with the Lord, but is, rather, a human construct, written well after the event, presented as being that old, to suit an earthly agenda of the then current, hence more or less fraudulent. I'm not enough of a theologian to say what subtle changes were included, though I am informed by some who have claim to be such that there are some such alterations and modifications.

Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 19, 2015 7:39 PM  

"Addendum: in your incarnate ignorance I suppose you were unaware that Deuteronomy means "second law," and that it is man speaking therein, not God."

Deuteronomy offers a restatement of GOD'S LAW for a new generation, spoken by Moses. These commands, originally given to the Israelites, are GOD'S DIRECT COMMANDS. It's a "human construct" only in that it was written down by man, serving as HIS CONDUIT. These laws, again, RIGHT FROM GOD's MOUTH, if broken, will incur His wrath.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 19, 2015 8:30 PM  

Bullshit.

Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 20, 2015 9:40 PM  

It's not bullshit to the fundamentalists.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 21, 2015 7:48 AM  

What possible difference does that make, you dolt? Have you been frequenting the more mindless of militant atheist sites to pull bullshit one liners out of context?

Christian and Jewish fundamentalists are a small subset of Christians and Jews, and will tend to remain that way because OUR books have leeway, the speaker is rarely (have you figured out the difference yet?) God, Almighty. Fundamentalism, however, is the default for Moslems. It is, for the um-fucking-teenth time, GOD speaking in the Quran, and speaking therein very forcefully, persuasively, and well. The book itself, therefore, calls them beck to the core of the thing, with the voice of God, which cannot be argued against while remaining a Muslim,

Now go read the book - TWICE; if you didn't grow up in it the Quran must be read TWICE - and see if you can remain so brainbustingly ignorant after that.

Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 21, 2015 8:13 PM  

"and will tend to remain that way because OUR books have leeway..."

Lee-way? Um, no. There is but one way to live your life--strictly adhere to tenets of the Bible. God commands. It makes no difference if it is straight from His mouth or from His messengers--follow the principles to the exact letter or be toast. There is no room for "negotiation".


"Fundamentalism, however, is the default for Moslems."

For Muslims, for Jews, AND for Christians.


"The book itself, therefore, calls them beck to the core of the thing, with the voice of God, which cannot be argued against while remaining a Muslim..."

The majority of today's Muslims, just like Jews and Christians, exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Looks like millions of Muslims, Jews, and Christians are going straight to hell for outright refusing to heed the call to murder infidels and heathens. Pity.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 21, 2015 10:29 PM  

Um, yes.

Um, no.

Um, you're still a fucking idiot.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 22, 2015 11:03 AM  

Oh, and just so you know, once this rolls off the front page I won't be interested enough, SS, even to insult you anymore.

Anonymous Sergeant Slaughter July 23, 2015 8:24 AM  

You should be more interested in what God has to say about purposely insulting someone. Regardless, you were done here a long time ago.

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts