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Friday, July 24, 2015

GG tactics work

It appears #PPGate is off to a good start:
Representatives from Coca-Cola, Ford Motor Co. and Xerox say they’ve asked Planned Parenthood to remove their names as corporate donors to the embattled organization.

The move follows a Daily Signal report revealing the names of 41 companies that Planned Parenthood listed as donors. That list, which was featured on Planned Parenthood’s website, has since been removed.

This latest development comes in the wake of two undercover videos that showed Planned Parenthood executives talking about the sale of fetal body parts. Planned Parenthood is facing both federal and state investigations—and the possibility of losing taxpayer funding.
Notice the language used by The Daily Signal.

We Asked Companies About Their Donations to Planned Parenthood. Here’s How They Responded.

Notice that all they did was ask about their donations in light of the new revelations of Planned Parenthood being ghouls profiting off the corpses of murdered infants. And those corporations that weren't advertisers or donors were very quick to point out they weren't.

Now, it's fair to ask why these tactics have been more immediately effective than the Tor boycott, and there are two reasons.
  1. Coke, Ford, and Xerox do NOT want to be associated with human organ trafficking. Tor Books doesn't care if it happens to denigrate a few thousand of its customers.
  2. Targeting the advertisers always works better than targeting the company responsible. It's the "Amenable Authority" problem. The Daily Signal and #PPGate would have gotten nowhere if they'd gone after Planned Parenthood directly.
The problem is that Tor Books doesn't really have any advertisers. And the only individual at Tor who gives a damn about the customers and is theoretically in a position to do something about Gallo is Tom Doherty, but he's got far less juice there than his title would indicate and he wasn't willing to let PNH storm out in a huff, which is what he would have had to do to hold Gallo accountable.

So we can't hit from outside, but only from upstairs. Which is why the only real question is how seriously Macmillan takes its code of conduct and if they're willing to call PNH's bluff.

But regardless, the key is persistence and patience. Sam Biddle was, and is, GG's top target and he's still at Gawker. Does that make #GamerGate a failure? Of course not. So, relax, and be ready to go back into action next week.

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94 Comments:

Blogger richard mcenroe July 24, 2015 1:05 AM  

Tom Doherty.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 24, 2015 1:14 AM  

Vox - a question about GG, if I may. I've seen you write a lot about GG, and have seen a bit from other sources, and have the gist of what's going on with it. However, is there anyplace where the specifics, and maybe a timeline, are available for the interested but largely non-gamer individual? I'm under the impression that GG is largely being successful in countering the SJWs (which I'm happy to hear), but *how* is that the case?

Blogger Groot July 24, 2015 1:29 AM  

There is much advertising in gaming, and, while there is upside in promoting women, there's a lot of downside in putting off your core male gamers. Women are largely absent in gaming, and people that make games would love to increase their customer base by attracting them. But one thing gamers as a group don't know, it's women, why they don't play, and pretty much everything about them. Just as a group, I mean. I've known committed and talented women game producers, but it's a hit-driven business, and there's a lot of money at stake. The awkwardness about distinguishing between honestly promoting women and promoting SJWs, combined with corporate cowardice, make the game industry vulnerable to GG.

Anonymous malcolm July 24, 2015 1:32 AM  

Gamergate timeline: https://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Timeline

Anonymous rubberducky July 24, 2015 1:33 AM  

I'm in action with ExxonMobil, with whom I have a personal investment. So I've gone at them not through the PR contacts but the investor relations contacts. When you look at the PP supporter list and find a company in which you own stock, you might try to hit them through the investor relations channel as well. Write in under the "corporate citizenship" banner and start asking them questions, and maybe the IR people will start calling the PR people, and oh no corporate meetings might have to be held, and one thing starts following another ...

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 24, 2015 1:42 AM  

Wow Malcolm, great! This helps a lot, thanks!

Anonymous Flinders July 24, 2015 1:50 AM  

Put this in the other thread but here is the list I said I was putting together.

All remaining companies and their contact details. I took what others had done and filled in the blanks.

http://pastebin.com/TcSf5KRi

If people could help spread it around on if someone a bit more design savvy could clean it up and present it better!

Blogger Jim July 24, 2015 3:38 AM  

I find it interesting that PP removed their donor list. A tacit admission that they're a millstone around the necks of those associated with them.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 July 24, 2015 3:47 AM  

Planned Parenthood caller menu

Blogger Daniel July 24, 2015 3:48 AM  

Flinders, cleaning up a list of contacts is unnecessary. People just need to keep sending emails, and thanks for putting that up.

GamerGate has good judo: they strike in places you don't expect, in ways that are outside the Boomer concept of protest.

One of the levers in #PPGate is not just that Planned Parenthood crushed babies to death with an eye on sparing the precious organs for sale...but that they lied about corporate donors.

Now, in a traditional protest, the concerned would complain to PP about the egregious sin of murder...to no effect. Jeff Dahmer knew he tortured and killed people - telling him that wouldn't have fazed him a bit. But complain to his landlord about a smell...and suddenly things begin to happen.

Same here: PP murders people and sells their organs...because they love to do it. It gives them pleasure and purpose. Reminding these serial killers of their crimes has been ineffective because it is just like giving a murderer a trophy from a recent kill. They get a thrill out of it.

But Xerox was important to PP. The perception that it sponsored and endorsed their sins was, for whatever reason, important enough to them to lie about it in public.

So, letting corporations know that PP may be lying about them now is actually more damaging to PP's cause than the cause itself.

People are odd; but it is how most of them work.

Blogger Daniel July 24, 2015 4:00 AM  

Removing the donor list was more than that, Jim. It is an admission that they tossed a lot of corporate names up there dishonestly, and they have no idea what any of them might say about PP to the investigators.

That's another reason why it is important to keep contacting the remaining companies on the list until they all make a statement one way or the other. PP's corporate lists are all under suspicion right now; if this list even proves to be 20% fabricated, all their lists are in doubt.

The questions write themselves:

"Why does PP lie about its donors? What else have they lied about?"

It is an important key to demonstrating that "Safe. Legal. And Rare." is the antithesis to PP's objectives. It begins to make a case that hasn't been made before:

Not that what PP does is immoral...but how PP operates is unethical and in violation of all sorts of state and Federal mandates. PP performs abortions in bad faith, and that will resonate with more people than just those who oppose it on moral principle.

Pulling the list now just looks like spin and a cover-up. What else are they lying about?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 4:13 AM  

GamerGate has good judo: they strike in places you don't expect, in ways that are outside the Boomer concept of protest.

And they never stop. Reading that timeline of GamerGate is exhausting. Lots of people striking here and there, writing articles, doing videos, interviews, spreading the word across different sorts of media, diverse tactics....and all of it going on for a couple years now, and it's nowhere near finished. But it's working.

But Xerox was important to PP. The perception that it sponsored and endorsed their sins was, for whatever reason, important enough to them to lie about it in public.

Yes. That perception lends them legitimacy, which is far more important than whatever money they get from these companies. A fan of population reduction like Bill Gates could hand them more than they'd get from Xerox out of his petty cash. But claiming numerous sponsors, especially reliable old American companies, makes them look more like a permanent part of American society that can't be dislodged.

Blogger Daniel July 24, 2015 4:29 AM  

But claiming numerous sponsors, especially reliable old American companies, makes them look more like a permanent part of American society that can't be dislodged.

Exactly. Disrupting the narrative starts with cutting the legs out from the Progressive insistence of fact that "We can't possibly go back now."

Like hell. These monsters aren't even as American as Coca-Cola and can no longer claim to be - not by a long shot. You manage to lie about and piss off Coke, Xerox and Ford in one fell swoop? That's damn near treason - worse; it is corporate malfeasance against other corporations - something that, unlike treason, is still taken very seriously.

PP's narrative - at least a good part of it - could very well die on this hill...but only if we continue to press the attack.

Blogger Rantor July 24, 2015 5:00 AM  

Another angle to look at is corporate matching of employee gifts. A few companies have said that is the only way they have given to PP. they need to be confronted on that angle too. PP is still an unethical company that is selling baby parts in violation of the law. Supporting them through matching contributions is supporting criminal acts.

Susan G. Komen is one target that should be hit hard. They had an officer who briefly ended their support for PP a while ago and the feminist bitches quickly overturned that in the name of cancer screening services.

Anonymous TroperA July 24, 2015 5:04 AM  

I notice in the Daily Signal article that many companies respond with "We don't send money to PP, but we match what our employees contribute and we have no control over whom they decide to fling their money at."

If a company sets up an employer-charity match program, do they have no choice but to allow their employees to spend their money as they see fit? What if the employees decided to donate to the "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" Memorial Fund? Or to the "Free Charles Manson and Lets Buy Him A Giant Bulldozer So He Can Cleanse The World Of The Unclean Establishment" Fund? I assume they don't let you donate to just anybody (although I haven't seen any indication that there are limits on who you can donate to.)

Maybe the next point of attack (after getting the companies to define their positions in relation to PP,) might be to getting employers to scratch PP off of their list of acceptable 501c(3) recipients.

Anonymous James Parliament July 24, 2015 6:19 AM  

"Lots of people striking here and there, writing articles, *doing videos,* interviews,"

It occurred to me last night that CMP is slowly turning this dial up to 12. It's an opportunity that can't be wasted.

Anonymous Anonymous July 24, 2015 6:24 AM  

The GamerGate URL provided by Malcolm is broken.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 24, 2015 6:32 AM  

Are we seeing the next #Gamergate with the explosion of #cuckservative attacks on Twitter? This term is doing more damage than RINO ever did.

OpenID simplytimothy July 24, 2015 6:46 AM  

@Flinders,

Thank you for your work.

should I tweet the location of this list? or is that counter-productive for some strategic reason?

thx

Blogger M Cephas July 24, 2015 6:48 AM  

I'm not really sure I believe the companies trying to distance themselves from PP. If they were in fact donors, I don't think lying would be so difficult for a company that had no problem donating to kill babies.

So I'm going to avoid those companies that I can, regardless of their claims.

Blogger ray July 24, 2015 7:09 AM  

Yeah.

The deeper (and to Americans, more disturbing) issue beneath PP is the modern diktat that A Woman's Choice trumps all other considerations of the nation, and of the planet. Because of course this assumption spawns not only mass abortion but Divorce Inc., fatherless families, academic degradation, feminism generally. And ever so much more.

Oh look! now their President is off to The Homeland to command Gay Rights for Africa. Guess it's his I Hate You Daddy Tour. Seen a lot of that lately.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell July 24, 2015 7:14 AM  

The Feds are investigating, likely with an eye on protecting PP. Their job might get a lot harder with this action.

Blogger Rantor July 24, 2015 7:18 AM  

While I have always disliked the use of the suffix -gate on everything, I am ready to give in... maybe it should be an anti-SJW rule. When you recognize the problem, "gate" it.

Anonymous Jack Ward July 24, 2015 7:29 AM  

OT. but disquieting.
This is at least the third morning that Larry Correia's site at MonsterHunterinternational is down. You get a suspended site notice and an appeal for the owner to contact the tech folk.
Anyone know anything?

Blogger Student in Blue July 24, 2015 7:38 AM  

#17,

The URL works just fine for me. It may not be in a handy dandy link to click but that's alright.

Anonymous Nathan July 24, 2015 7:38 AM  

@Jack,

They've been troubleshooting the site to clear up ‘Database not found’ errors. The ILoH's tech guy says that the site might be up and down for then next couple days because of that.

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 7:47 AM  

... question...

If #ppgate is going after those that provide funds to BabyParts R Us then is an email campaign and letter campaign to targeted specific congressmen a good step or a waste of time?

I wonder if government types are far more used to email and mail than Corporate types.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 24, 2015 7:59 AM  

The Left is in its Yuri Andropov stage, think of the energy they must expend to maintain their façade of moral authority, and so they come up with the brilliant plan to just exterminate the dissident opposition.

I'm not really big on the abortion issue, but I have no shame in saying to anyone, "who the fuck wants to be aborted?"

Blogger Steveo #238 July 24, 2015 7:59 AM  

You may have the personal ability to interface with a PP employee directly - perhaps helping them understand that the despicable guards of the concentration camps of WWII who escaped prosecution then, spent every day of the rest of their lives knowing that they could be found out and held accountable. They also, may understand the day will come where the horrors of abortion at PP become free & public knowledge - with their participation documented. Only the most evil of them would stand then, proudly saying, "I did this."

Anonymous Cash July 24, 2015 8:03 AM  

@Nate

A lot of congressmen will read a letter from a constituent.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 24, 2015 8:05 AM  

@Steveo #238

The problem is that like the concentration camp guards, the progressive PP'er believes that there will be no reckoning. They believe they are the leading cadre of a force that cannot be stopped.

They believe they are the 'Master Race'.

Blogger Steveo #238 July 24, 2015 8:14 AM  

Exactly correct ZhukovG... and they were wrong. The chink in the armor is the glimmer of the idea that the PP dream, might one day be a nightmare.

Blogger Zach July 24, 2015 8:16 AM  

Hmm. If the Boy Scouts hadn't caved so thoroughly this summer, the following question suggests itself:

"Since your company matches employee donations without regard, how much matching money went to the Boy Scouts of America?"

With a little imagination, some equally distasteful-to-SJWs 501c(3) organizations could be found... National Right to Life, Right to Life of Michigan -- those are 501c(3)'s too, aren't they?

After all, the company says they match employee donations without regard to the specific charity....

peace,
Zach

Blogger Jordan179 July 24, 2015 8:18 AM  

Why is Patricia Hayden so important that her storming off in a huff must be avoided, regardless of the cost to sales?

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 8:46 AM  

"A lot of congressmen will read a letter from a constituent. "

yes... but a lot of congressmen are used to getting a lot of letters from those constituents.

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 8:48 AM  

"Why is Patricia Hayden so important that her storming off in a huff must be avoided, regardless of the cost to sales?"

blind spot. someone believes mistakenly that PNH is responsible for a lot of success. That's of course false. But it doesn't matter. they believe it and are acting on it.

Anonymous Ron July 24, 2015 8:53 AM  

@Difster Thanks for the graphic. Facebooked it.

I would like to know how many of the corps saying they only gave as part of their matching funds program, which they have no control over what they match, are lying. I've never worked for a company that would match giving to your church.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 24, 2015 9:07 AM  

Can someone clarify something for me?

After the first video came out, I saw the defense from media sources that $30 to $100 is not a profit, but merely recouped cost, which is not against the law.

Is this idea true?

A setting of $30 to $100 seems rather large to me, aside from all the other issues involved.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ (30) July 24, 2015 9:07 AM  

@Mr.MantraMan

If the left is in the Andropov stage, how long until its decrepit ossified Chernenko stage begins?

Anonymous The One July 24, 2015 9:19 AM  

This employee matching is a major chink in their armor. If you work for one of these companies, donate to KKK/NAZI, etc and then request a employee match. If they don't match threaten to sue for discrimination, if they do match, go public with the info. Either way, they might eventually dump the matching all together. It's costing them money and bad PR.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 July 24, 2015 9:31 AM  

"That list, which was featured on Planned Parenthood’s website, has since been removed."
We WILL be posting their official IRS list of financial donors...right?
And cross checking that against "donors employee" status....right?

38. "...
After the first video came out, I saw the defense from media sources that $30 to $100 is not a profit, but merely recouped cost, which is not against the law."
1. Trafficking (that means for profit) in human organs is illegal in the US.
2. Goody, recouped cost. Since money is fungible, there's NO LONGER a need to 'support woman's health" with TAX dollars to Planned Parenthood, or ANY of their...um..."affiliates and partners".
"At what point does a clump of cells become a collection of baby parts?"
Oooooo....let's let "the market" decide!
But....but....grave robbers HELPED advance anatomy and medicine!
Even those in "practice" that did more harm than good, for a fee of course.
So did the specialists in "Fresh cadavers of "specified criteria", to order.
CaptDMO

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 24, 2015 9:41 AM  

The GamerGate URL provided by Malcolm is broken.

It can't be. I just looked at it last night, in fact, I stayed up till 3 AM reading through the whole timeline.

Anonymous James Parliament July 24, 2015 10:06 AM  

The link in #25 works.

Blogger David-093 July 24, 2015 10:28 AM  

"yes... but a lot of congressmen are used to getting a lot of letters from those constituents."

If your congressman is under 50, chances are he's only ever gotten emails.

Anonymous Leonidas July 24, 2015 10:31 AM  

I bought a Coke this morning and I'm drinking it right now. You know what it doesn't taste like? That's right, dead babies. Or their organs - crushed, harvested, or otherwise.

That tastes mighty fine.

Blogger Jakeithus July 24, 2015 10:52 AM  

As someone who ran the office for a politician, if you are going to contact congressmen on the issue I'd recommend staying away from email. The number of emails offices get on every random issue under the sun can be truly staggering at times, and it's easy to get lost in the noise. Hard copy letters make more of an impact, but speaking as the person who answered the calls, I knew an issue was truly important once actually phonecalls started coming in. Nothing got me to bring an issue to my boss faster than having to discuss the position on the phone with constituents.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 24, 2015 11:06 AM  

I assume they don't let you donate to just anybody

Hush don't mess up matching funds to BigGaySteve's Betterment Fund.

I'm not really sure I believe the companies trying to distance themselves from PP. If they were in fact donors,

A lot of corporate donorship is product they can't unload that they can write off. "Gee no one bought these neon pink copiers what can we do with them?"

A lot of congressmen will read a letter from a constituent. physical letters get attention.
#cuckservative attacks on Twitter? This term is doing more damage than RINO

People don't have to think of what it stands for. "I heard you are refered to as RINO what's that mean? Responsible Innovative Nurturing Ornithologist"

A setting of $30 to $100 seems rather large to me

That's per part. $100 per liver, $30 per thymus, ? for heart, ? for lungs,? for pancreas, it adds up. Remember Gosnell could have done legal abortions for ~ 1/3 the profit, someone did a breakdown of its financial advantage. The difference between Ionic and non ionic IV DYE used to be $100 a bottle with patients over 150lbs needing 2 bottles. When the patent expired the non ionic came down to $15 a bottle and no one ever risked injecting the bad stuff into patients ever again. Ionic contrast used to be one of the main sources of codes in hospitals, & there was a checklist to see if people got the good stuff, if I had needed an IV contrast study I would have lied to get the non ionic contrast.

A setting of $30 to $100 seems rather large fresh born foreskins sold for more than that a decade ago.


Blogger Chiva July 24, 2015 11:27 AM  

Hush don't mess up matching funds to BigGaySteve's Betterment Fund.

You could name it is the 'Beta Gamma Sigma (BGS) Betterment Fund'.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 July 24, 2015 11:29 AM  

This employee matching is a major chink in their armor.

Not as much of a chink as you think it is.

They have rules. Most of the matching pages saying things like 'most 501(c)3 organizations', which gives them wiggle room with 'most', but also means that even if they allow all 501s to get matching donations, they've already pre-qualified who gets donations based on a government created and approved list. So no, it's not a simple as demanding the Americans for a Hitler Youth receive matching funds and then going public.

You can try and force them to give up their 'most' loophole if you can get them on the record saying they do not discriminate between any recognized 501(c)3.

The database is here:
http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Exempt-Organizations-Select-Check

Somewhere in there, hopefully, is an organization that is suitably offensive and managed to get past the bureaucrats and get approved for tax-exempt status as well as being eligible for most corporate donation programs. Odds are they have a very reasonable name. but if the plan is to black knight matching donations, then that's where you must look.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 July 24, 2015 11:33 AM  

In short, the employee matching program seems to have been designed explicitly to give corporations plausible deniability regarding donations. It must be undermined, bypassed, or destroyed: but that's because it's an enemy strong-point, not a weakness.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 24, 2015 11:50 AM  

Big Gay S

That's per part. $100 per liver, $30 per thymus, ? for heart, ? for lungs,? for pancreas, it adds up.

The wording implied per individual fetus from what I saw. The claim, however, is that to store and transport the parts, there is a lose for the clinic, not a gain. They merely seek to break even.

As someone said above though, I think it's telling that someone can claim they aren't killing a baby, but that body parts can be sold off.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 11:55 AM  

It's nice to see the tide rolling the right way for once. Right now I see Doherty sitting on his throne hip deep in the surf while all his sycophants are saying, "Doin' great, Tom!" "You're holding the line, Tom. This won't get any deeper."

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 12:01 PM  

NorthernHamlet,

I don't think you can discuss getting a Lamborghini from 'breaking even'. The terrible thing about this is that when Roe v Wade became the law, my mother a FDR leftist said, "This will lead to euthanasia, killing a baby because it will be retarded (that was the word back then) and worse I can't see right now. They'll be killing people because it's inconvenient and costs money to keep them alive."

She was anti abortion from day one and the worst part was that years later when she was dying. The hospital tried to speed it up to harvest her organs.

Anonymous montyDraxel July 24, 2015 12:08 PM  

Slightly O/T people unafraid to real talk about race on Twitter having lots of fun trolling with the #cuckservative hashtag. http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/23/whats-behind-the-cuckservative-slur-nsfw/

Anonymous BGS July 24, 2015 12:10 PM  

The wording implied per individual fetus from what I saw.

There where screenshots of the resellers web sites (that are altered now) that sold individual parts on either breitbart or theconservative treehouse.

Anonymous rubberducky July 24, 2015 12:13 PM  

Another tip: If you write letters, put it on letterhead. Make up your own letterhead if you must, it's easy and cheap to do at Kinko's and you come away with something professional looking. In all these correspondence offices, anything on letterhead typically goes to a special pile that gets treated with more respect and gets seen by more senior eyes at the office.

Blogger Res Ipsa July 24, 2015 12:19 PM  

Planned Parenthood is facing both federal and state investigations—and the possibility of losing taxpayer funding.
We Asked Companies About Their Donations to Planned Parenthood. Here’s How They Responded.


This is a huge victory. PP is now in a situation where they aren't the ones controlling the narrative. People that once backed them are looking towards the exits and for distance.

Activists on the left are all about incrementalism. It's time to learn that lesson and take one step at a time.

Keep control of the narrative.

Ask companies "why" don't screech.

Accept little victories on the way to total victory.

We aren't going to get rid of abortion tomorrow, but cutting into PP's donation pool, and potentially costing them tax payer support are BIG gains. Hurting them in the pocket book, and damaging their corporate image, even a little bit is a victory.

Anonymous James Parliament July 24, 2015 12:48 PM  

Another win, forwarded to Daily Signal, posted on ppgate.blogspot.com:

Our company matches employee contributions to various 501(c)3 organizations. Under this program, some of our employees selected Planned Parenthood for these contributions. That matching option is no longer available.

Best Wishes,
AT&T Foundation

Blogger haus frau July 24, 2015 1:03 PM  

I'm looking for advice on the most effective way to go after these companies on social media. I'm worried about getting banned if I'm too aggressive (in referring to abortion as dismemberin livery babies etc.). I want to keep my accounts active for as long as possible. What tone is best? Polite concern trolling? I have my eye on bath and body works because they make direct contributions for " education ".

Anonymous praetorian July 24, 2015 1:06 PM  

OT, but not really OT:

Hello X,

Our company matches employee contributions to various 501(c)3 organizations. Under this program, some of our employees selected Planned Parenthood for these contributions. That matching option is no longer available.

Best Wishes,
AT&T Foundation

Anonymous zapbrannigan1 July 24, 2015 1:14 PM  

Just got the same note from AT&T myself. They must be trying to put a stop to this quickly before it metastasizes.

Anonymous Menelaus July 24, 2015 2:02 PM  

Liberty Mutual doesn't want to put anything in writing:

Good Afternoon,

Thank you for your email to Liberty Mutual Insurance regarding contributions to Planned Parenthood. Please contact us at 1-800-344-0197 if you would like to discuss this matter in more detail.

Thank you,

Stacy Francois
Consumer Affairs Representative
Presidential Service Team
Liberty Mutual Insurance Group
175 Berkeley Street Boston MA 02116
Phone 800.344.0197 Fax 603.422.7900

Anonymous Ain July 24, 2015 2:12 PM  

Nate: "blind spot. someone believes mistakenly that PNH is responsible for a lot of success. That's of course false. But it doesn't matter. they believe it and are acting on it."

That's likely a direct result of all the Hugo's he's won. Even though he gamed them, its undeserved prestige gives the illusion that he's an editor a cut above the rest. No wonder they're so angry about losing their control of them.

Blogger jay c July 24, 2015 2:19 PM  

Don't take Ford off the list yet. Cecile Richards is the chair of the Ford Foundation's finance committee

Anonymous Kiwi the Geek July 24, 2015 2:25 PM  

I'm late to the party, not sure what to focus on at this point. Should more people email the companies who have given unsatisfactory responses, to increase the pressure? Should we reply to the replies we get about education, cancer prevention, etc? Should we keep emailing the ones that give through employee matching, or wait on that until we've covered the majority who are giving directly?

Blogger Elocutioner0226 July 24, 2015 2:38 PM  

I don't believe the Ford Foundation is directly tied to Ford Corporation. It's one of those socialist foundations like any of Soros' foundations, Tides, Annenberg, or anything else advertised on NPR.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 2:41 PM  

What tone is best? Polite concern trolling?

Yes. Use neutral but accurate language, such as "trafficking in human organs".

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 2:59 PM  

What tone is best? Polite concern trolling?

Yes. It feels dirty at first, but you get used to it.

Anonymous James Parliament July 24, 2015 3:02 PM  

Menelaus - Did you call yet?

Take notes. I'll call when I get home.

Anonymous WillBest July 24, 2015 3:11 PM  

Planned Parenthood is facing both federal and state investigations—and the possibility of losing taxpayer funding.

The DoJ is more interested in whether or not CMP violated the law than if PP did. And I would bet a Starbucks milkshare that they will get the Dinesh D'Souza treatment.

Anonymous Alexander July 24, 2015 3:21 PM  

I just got off the phone with Liberty Mutual.

They do not make direct corporate donations to PP, but the usual employee donation matching program.

However, I was informed that Liberty Mutual does not simply blank-slate any 501(c)3 - they have a process to vet any organization that is a potential beneficiary of the program, and Planned Parenthood went through that process and was approved, because of it's health services provided.

I kept it short - I'm a terrible phone speaker anyway and didn't want to get in an argument.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 3:58 PM  

Planned Parenthood went through that process and was approved, because of it's health services provided.

Yeah, that's one of the main dodges. Everyone knows it's crap, because there's no way you can put money in one hand without it affecting what's happening in the other hand, but they've been getting away with that fig leaf for years.

This goes beyond the current effort, but an opportunity for a hidden-camera crew would be to go in for one of their "education" programs and see how easy it would be to segue into abortion counseling. I bet it wouldn't be any harder than when that couple got ACORN to advise them on getting tax breaks for their prostitution ring. Some PP workers might be careful enough to say, "I can't talk to you about that here; you'll have to come back tomorrow" or whatever. But even that would expose how ridiculous the dodge is.

Anonymous Anonymous July 24, 2015 4:14 PM  

Zach,

The Boy Scouts are not a good example anymore, but there has got to be some organizations on that list that fall into one of the following categories:

1) Working against gay marriage/rights
2) Working to limit illegal immigration
3) Racists in some politically incorrect way
4) Is politically incorrect in some way

Find one of those groups, and then ask if would match funds to that org.

Once we find ONE org they won't match funds for, then the entire matching funds excuse falls away.

Anonymous Menelaus July 24, 2015 4:31 PM  

@69. James Parliament re Liberty Mutual

No, I have not called and will not. I consider their offer of an 800 number to be non-responsive to my simple questions.
FYI, I responded to their 800 offer thusly (by email):


Thanks for your timely response.

However, I'd like for you to respond to my simple request in writing, so that I may evaluate your response at length, if necessary (email is fine, a letter if you prefer).

Allow me to restate: Does Liberty Mutual write checks to Planned Parenthood for any reason? If so, what reason do you rely on to support their behavior?

Thank you.


Anonymous James Parliament July 24, 2015 5:02 PM  

Menelaus - fair enough, and looks like Alexander confirmed their policy.

Blogger haus frau July 24, 2015 6:07 PM  

So at the risk of sounding foolish, in what venues is it appropriate to use sharper more emotive language ( dismembering livery babies, baby chop as shop, etc)?

Anonymous Kiwi the Geek July 24, 2015 6:29 PM  

When I emailed Verizon, they sent me a link about their employee matching program, which I followed and found that "most" non-profits are eligible. I replied with:

"I followed the link you sent and found that "most U.S. based 501(C)(3) organizations" are eligible for matching funds. This means that some 501(C)(3) organizations are not eligible for matching. How does Verizon determine which organizations are ineligible? Would illegal organ trafficking disqualify an organization? "

I haven't heard back yet. I'm going to keep replying that way for others when applicable, unless somebody else has a better idea. But Macy's said that all non-profits are eligible. I don't have a good response to that.

At some point, I wonder if it would be helpful to dust off past exposes of PP's illegal activites. Things like covering up incest & statutory rape, ignoring medical emergencies so that women died, etc.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 6:33 PM  

So at the risk of sounding foolish, in what venues is it appropriate to use sharper more emotive language ( dismembering livery babies, baby chop as shop, etc)?

In person when you're trying to upset someone. Or in visual memes on Twitter. But don't rely heavily on them or people tune you out. That's the mistake many anti-abortion activists make. They think outrage is convincing. It isn't.

Anonymous Kiwi the Geek July 24, 2015 6:48 PM  

So at the risk of sounding foolish, in what venues is it appropriate to use sharper more emotive language ( dismembering livery babies, baby chop as shop, etc)?

I talk that way on Facebook, with friends who agree. Maybe it's helpful in getting somebody who believes abortion is wrong to do something about it.

Anonymous Alexander July 24, 2015 7:18 PM  

Kiwi,

I did the same with Verizon. Good work, keeping up the pressure.

For Macy's, don't worry about it. You asked, they gave you the information, we have a definitive understanding of where Macy's stand. That is useful information - no further response is needed from them at this time. There is no point trying to start an argument with whoever is responding with the boilerplate.

What's important at this stage is to have these corporations flooded with people 'just asking'. Give them a chance to see which way the wind is blowing and get out while they still can, AT&T style.

Then, when we know which companies intend to ride it out and which intend to go further and double down on butchering babies for parts, we can move on to the next step.

Blogger Edward Dunai July 24, 2015 7:26 PM  

Ford Motor Company is *not* affiliated with the Ford Foundation, their charitable arm is the Ford Fund. Ford Motor Company has not had any affiliation with the Ford Foundation since the 80's

Blogger Sir Wilshire (#320) July 24, 2015 7:34 PM  

If you haven't emailed verizon yet, as I haven't, it may help to ask if they will continue to allow their money to support PP through matching funds, as AT&T hasn't.

Blogger haus frau July 24, 2015 8:47 PM  

Appreciate the guidance. I'll soften my tone in approaching these companies. I typically use that language when addressing abortion supporters who go on Matt Walsh's FB page and other blogs.
I've been thinking about the left's use of the emotive words hate, racism, bigot, homophobe etc. wondering how to mimic it in this situation. Also the inexplicable (to me) success of the scary looking pro-abortion protesters. You know, the women that wear tampons for ear rings and carry protest signs with hangers on them. Why are they so successful at getting these companies and politicians on their side when they look like outright loonies to someone like me. Now I don't want to mimic the crazies that through used pads on the Texas capitol building floor last year but there has to be something to their very harsh approach. Either it's part of something they are doing or the people who make decisions already sit on their side but they have been successful.

Blogger Thucydides July 24, 2015 9:12 PM  

One thing to aadd extra pressure via the "indirect approach" is to start conversations outside of the PP organ harvest/traffic scandal on PP's actual history.

The fact that PP's founder was a huge racist and proponent of using abortion, sterilization and contraceptives to eliminate "defectives" and inferior races (in her case, Negros AKA African Americans) from the gene pool should be widely acknowledged and that narrative pushed on multiple platforms. I would even encourage Sazmidat (for example stickers on bus shelters in largely black and hispanic neighbourhoods), since Samizdat is a medium the Legacy media and SJW internet sites are not join to be able to effect.

The more repugnant PP becomes in the eyes of people everywhere, the less public support they will receive and the more people will be inclined to look at other aspects of PP's operations When they discover PP's organ harvesting operation, they will already have been socialized to understand PP is lying about their aims and operations. The socialization of the real history of PP will also make support of PP by corporate sponsors much more difficult as well; companies will now have to respond to "why do you support a racist organization?" emails as well.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 24, 2015 9:33 PM  

@84: In other words, now that we're winning with this message, we should go back to focusing on the messages that have been tried for decades and have failed for just as long.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 9:33 PM  

You know, the women that wear tampons for ear rings and carry protest signs with hangers on them. Why are they so successful at getting these companies and politicians on their side when they look like outright loonies to someone like me.

The ones who go into the corporate/political environment and get funding don't look like that. The ones on the street look like that because it grosses out normal people so they won't want to come deal with them and see what's going on. It's even possible that the corporate types cave in to the professional-looking ones out of relief that they didn't bring the freaks along.

Anonymous Alexander July 24, 2015 9:44 PM  

Haus frau,

Consider how the left divides the message though. Take gay marriage. When they are just spewing shit into the air, it's all "you're a bunch of bigots, hateful supremacists, etc. etc. etc."

But when they are actually directing the message towards an individual who they hope to take an action, it's "we just want the rights to visit our loved ones when they are sick in the hospital," or "we want to be able to hold the hand of the person we love."

They certainly didn't go around ten years ago demanding the rights to screw bakers out of house and home.

You're not talking to a frothing-at-the-mouth feminist. You're talking to whatever poor schmuck in PR got drafter to answer calls about Planned Parenthood. They work for Verizon or whoever - they are not in the baby butchering business. They may be sympathetic to us already, they may not, they may not give a shit. What they want is to get through the day without being screamed at by strangers.

I found it helped when calling to write my questions down. I kept it short and non-confrontational with the person I was speaking to. I didn't ask if they personally cared. I mentioned the videos, I asked for their stance, and I asked for a clarification on the company process for determining which organizations are eligible for matching donations. Then I thanked them for their time and hung up.

Got the information I wanted. Made sure that I didn't stick out as the single person who ruined their day.

We can be nasty when we know which corporations are doubling down on the infanticide.

Anonymous Eric Ashley July 24, 2015 11:20 PM  

Well, I'm pleased. Coke and Chlorox were my targets yesterday, and one down already! Kewl.

As to Thucyidides suggestion, a while back I had the idea of a B movie.....Margie Sanger is a vampiress who must drink the blood of black babies to survive as the undead monster she is....

Anyone who can make us of this idea as meme, or screenplay, or novel is welcome.

Blogger Derek Thornton July 25, 2015 8:35 AM  

Created a blog post with a set of links to go either directly to an online form to question these companies or to their media relations page. If you find a better contact then please contact me through the comments on my post and I will adjust accordingly. Any suggestions are welcome.
I wanted to keep it simple for the initial phase of just getting something of these companies on record. Take screenshots of replies and share with sites like the Daily Signal who are keeping abreast of this whole thing.
https://theendofabortion.wordpress.com/2015/07/25/pressure-companies-that-donate-to-planned-parenthood-without-a-boycott-at-the-moment/

OpenID tmdfos July 25, 2015 10:48 AM  

Would now be a good time to bring up Pepsi's use of ground-up baby flavoring additive? I wonder if PP got in on that or it was just the chinese.

Anonymous menachem July 26, 2015 2:09 AM  

@88

Check out this article from Vox from 2006. In there he discusses his idea for a Novel:
http://www.wnd.com/2006/01/34356/

Blogger Otto Lamp July 26, 2015 3:21 PM  

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Blogger Otto Lamp July 26, 2015 3:23 PM  

I have put up a short list of politically incorrect charities here: http://alampinthedark.blogspot.com/2015/07/politically-incorrect-public-charities.html

These are all IRS listed and approved public charities--the exact same as Planned Parenthood.

They are also guaranteed to make the head of any SJW explode with outrage.

This should be helpful in tearing down the matching-funds shield companies are hiding behind.

If they are OK giving matching funds to PP, then they should be OK giving matching funds to the anti-LBGT, anti-immigration, anti-muslim, and white nationalist groups listed here. Right? Because, these groups, according to the IRS, are no different than PP when it comes to being a public charity.

Anonymous Kiwi the Geek July 28, 2015 7:16 PM  

Progressive says they match employee contributions to "any" 501(c)3.

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