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Tuesday, July 14, 2015

Good news for rebels

Considering that the US military is in the process of running exercises to practice fighting against the American people, this announcement is probably good news for the millions of Americans who have been gunning up for the past decade:
The Pentagon announced Monday that it will allow transgender members of the military to serve openly starting next year, marking an end to a long-standing policy that barred them from the armed forces.

In an echo of the Defense Department’s repeal of the ban on gays in uniform four years ago, Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said he had directed the armed forces to devise new rules over the next six months that would allow transgender troops to serve, except in situations “where objective, practical impediments are identified.”

“We must ensure that everyone who’s able and willing to serve has the full and equal opportunity to do so, and we must treat all our people with the dignity and respect they deserve,” Carter said in a statement. He called the military’s current regulations “outdated” and said they were “causing uncertainty that distracts commanders from our core missions.”

Carter also issued a directive that would make it more difficult to discharge transgender personnel over the next six months while the new rules are being established, requiring all such cases to be reviewed by a senior Pentagon official. The Pentagon took a similar interim approach to freeze the discharges of gay troops while it was preparing to lift that ban five years ago.
As an added bonus, we should stop hearing about there being too few women in the Navy SEALs and other elite forces. Just put a few of them in dresses, call them ladies, and the problem, such as it is, is solved.

One thing I didn't realize when reading about the historical collapse of empires is how damned farcical it is. Heinlein's Crazy Years are upon us, and they are considerably crazier than he'd ever imagined.

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Blogger Chad July 14, 2015 8:02 AM  

"One thing I didn't realize when reading about the historical collapse of empires is how damned farcical it is."

This will have me laughing all day.

Anonymous Jake July 14, 2015 8:12 AM  

As a veteran, this makes me want to vomit. No way in hell would I allow my son to serve in this army.

Anonymous PA July 14, 2015 8:13 AM  

I'd laugh too except for knowing how much suffering is heaped on good, innocent people as part of this farce.

Blogger Nate July 14, 2015 8:14 AM  

/facepalm

Blogger CM July 14, 2015 8:17 AM  

I don't know... marrying ones horse and making him a senator is pretty damn farcical.

Blogger Mad Dok Rob July 14, 2015 8:17 AM  

You need to be a Hindu god for the amount of /facepalm this kind of story deserves.

Anonymous Cheddarman, vile faceless minion 0187 July 14, 2015 8:17 AM  

Lindsay Graham sheds a silent tear of joy

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 14, 2015 8:19 AM  

Speaking of farcical, drug kingpin El Chappo is tweeting like mad, but the Heartiste's twitter account just got suspended. Social Justice Warrior priorities, people. Make trannies not tanks. Drug lords not real talk.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 14, 2015 8:23 AM  

I'm going to wander around in a dazed circle for a bit.

I'll be back later.

Anonymous kfg July 14, 2015 8:24 AM  

"One thing I didn't realize when reading about the historical collapse of empires is how damned farcical it is."

I've always thought of that as a leading indicator, but then I was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.

Anonymous BrerFox July 14, 2015 8:26 AM  

Of course, by doing this the Pentagon will now have 'women' capable of meeting the physical requirements for the various programs women haven't been able to complete.

That's a win-win for diversity!

Blogger Mad Dok Rob July 14, 2015 8:32 AM  

Hey, this coupled with basically giving Iran nukes and setting off a nuclear arms race in the middle east, coupled with how much we have been poking the Russian bear makes sure that Hillary will be playing in international hard mode when she becomes president.

Blogger VaranusDread July 14, 2015 8:33 AM  

I'll be searching the clouds for Jesus's approach now.

OpenID genericviews July 14, 2015 8:39 AM  

Since male and female uniforms look the same, how will anyone know?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 14, 2015 8:39 AM  

I'm having a clear reading comprehension fail, did I just read the transpinkhand wants to serve? What a ruinous portion in military history.

Serve what to whom exactly? Serve up dignity and respect to middle class men of strict heterosexual inclinations? What an insult to straight men. What can the trans group bring aside from wanting to wear weird clothing identifying whom they are to the enemy, endangering entire companies? Perhaps after the gay bomb spray is dropped the robots can assume order and control.

Meanwhile the adults abroad are planning futures minus the insane West.

Notice to SJW's, this has nothing to do with LGBTers taking everything so personal. The topic regards failed societal experiments in perversions designed to disintegrate the man who has no problem with pulling the trigger on an enemy in his view. This is about military strategy and history, this is not a formula of swift military success.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 14, 2015 8:41 AM  

I sense a return to a national draft soon. For both genders this time though, as this pretty much declares 100% of the population eligible. Thus, the daughters of feminism will reap the fruits of their mothers rebellion.

Blogger skiballa July 14, 2015 8:54 AM  

I'm so glad I got out of the military when I did. Farcical indeed, if this was the beginning of Victoria, no one would have thought it believable.

Anonymous jm July 14, 2015 8:54 AM  

"I sense a return to a national draft soon."

Agree and amplify would be the way to go.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 July 14, 2015 8:54 AM  

This strikes me as a 1984 'the-proles-could-have-whatever-they-want-if-only-they-knew-it' moments. If the white, straight, South-and-Midwestern boys refused to join this travesty, what would they do?

Anonymous Tom Joad July 14, 2015 8:57 AM  

Considering that the US military is in the process of running exercises to practice fighting against the American people....

Please don't tell me you're a Jade Helm Truther?

As for the main topic, if I remember my history correctly, reactionaries weren't too happy when the military took on the "social experiment" of racial integration, but that made our military stronger, more capable, allowed leaders like Colin Powell to rise, and served as a model for the nation.

In a more accepting culture, Kristen Beck may never have felt the need to overcompensate in a way that led to her extraordinary career as a SEAL, so the policy may backfire in a way.

Anonymous Book_Girl July 14, 2015 9:01 AM  

"If the white, straight, South-and-Midwestern boys refused to join this travesty, what would they do?"

Draft them.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 July 14, 2015 9:02 AM  

As for the main topic, if I remember my history correctly, reactionaries weren't too happy when the military took on the "social experiment" of racial integration, but that made our military stronger, more capable, allowed leaders like Colin Powell to rise, and served as a model for the nation.

1. Right, like I'm sure you were a big fan of Powell any time prior to 2008.

2. There are lots of variables, granted. But tell me, what's America's war record prior to and including WWII? Afterward? Where is the objective evidence that it is a 'stronger, more capable' force?

A segregated army defeated a war machine of one of the most intelligent, industrious, and war-capable people who had already carved a path from Paris to Stalingrad, and now that same army flounders around against 7th century goat herders who haven't invented toilet paper while debating the right color of high heel for the troops.

Blogger Kaijubushi July 14, 2015 9:03 AM  

#20 Are you seriously comparing letting blacks into the military with letting in men who want to pretend they are women and chop of their dongs?

Anonymous Giuseppe July 14, 2015 9:04 AM  

At this rate the gulags should begin being populated very soon. Any bets for year-end? 2016?

Bets only in real currency please: gold, high quality tequila or weapons.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 July 14, 2015 9:04 AM  

Book_Girl,

Then force the issue. Make the powers that be issue a draft. That has all the fun of:

1. exposing the lie that the other 'soldiers' are just as capable and willing to fight and

2. forces the government into a combative situation against a large force that they need.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 14, 2015 9:06 AM  

The military functions with blacks because it discriminates on the count of IQ and lack of anti social behavior. And where it doesn't blacks revert to blackness, been there done that and have more stories of good honorable blacks than anyone else, so don't try that line

Anonymous Soga July 14, 2015 9:07 AM  

Good joke, Tom Joad.

Blogger VD July 14, 2015 9:08 AM  

Please don't tell me you're a Jade Helm Truther?

Truther? When the US military is doing exercises to practice subduing modern city populations, you don't think they're practicing for Somalia or the Australian Outback, do you?

I know nothing about Jade Helm, but I know that US Marines were deployed in LA during the riots.

Blogger Marissa July 14, 2015 9:08 AM  

Colin Powell? That high yeller feller who made the My Lai investigation disappear under his watch? That Colin Powell?

Blogger A_R July 14, 2015 9:11 AM  

talk about danger close...

Blogger jay c July 14, 2015 9:13 AM  

Communal showers aren't "objective, practical impediments"? Lower physical requirements for some xy bearers than for others aren't "objective, practical impediments"? WTF kinda mind altering substance has Ashton B. Carter been taking?

Blogger jay c July 14, 2015 9:16 AM  

On the positive side, the odds of a successful revolution in the USA's foreseeable future are about to go way up.

Blogger Salt July 14, 2015 9:17 AM  

In a more accepting culture, Kristen Beck may never have felt the need to overcompensate in a way that led to her extraordinary career as a SEAL, so the policy may backfire in a way.

How decietful, Toam Joad @20.

“Wow, I didn’t know there was a woman SEAL. That’s amazing,” said Shaw, a retired Army colonel.

“I’m the first one,” Beck said. What she didn’t say was that at the time of her service, she was Christopher Beck.

Blogger bearspaw July 14, 2015 9:19 AM  

The same Colin Powell who sat in front of Congress with a little bottle of something he claimed could kill us all and Sadaam had a whole lot more of it, let's get 'im?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 14, 2015 9:20 AM  

The U.S. military: owned and operated by The Three Stooges.

No amount of technology can fix stupid.

Blogger Kaijubushi July 14, 2015 9:22 AM  

This coupled with the new shitsandwich Iran "just build your nuke in secret" deal is good times.

Anonymous Soga July 14, 2015 9:24 AM  

You gotta love how progs like Tom used to HATE Powell, but as soon as he becomes useful as a talking point, even if it's a downright lie, suddenly he's their hero. Because black.

Anonymous Soga July 14, 2015 9:25 AM  

You gotta love how progs like Tom used to HATE Powell, but as soon as he becomes useful as a talking point, even if it's a downright lie, suddenly he's their hero. Because black.

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Anonymous Athor Pel July 14, 2015 9:27 AM  

"20. Tom Joad July 14, 2015 8:57 AM
...
Please don't tell me you're a Jade Helm Truther?
..."



Do you really want a list of all the lies governments have told their own people? Because one of the few things more reliable than SJW's telling lies is how often governments do it.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 July 14, 2015 9:27 AM  

I owe an apology to William Lind's Victoria, on two accounts:

1) I mocked the chapter where Southrons stood around watching while the blacks went around destroying historical monuments.

But more pertinent to this thread is number 2) where I thought it was a little ridiculous that the US Army would deputize the obviously most incompetent and unprofessional idiots for the job of leading an invasion.

I'll go ahead and say it now, I will no longer be surprised if environmentalists prove themselves capable of overpowering eastern Washington/Oregon, and start shipping topsoil to China.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 14, 2015 9:28 AM  

Well none of them can enlist until after Jan 1. Which is probably why the military rolled over so easily.

Questionable Spring contracts (and there are A LOT of those in the Spring) get pushed back until they can be shipped in the fall. If they drop out of DEP in summer they can be replaced by new grads.

Summer ship dates are locked up by kids that DEP'd in when they were just turned seventeen year old seniors, in case you were wondering.

Mostly they are waiting for after November to make any big changes. By not digging in their heels now they have more maneuvering room later.

And besides its mostly academic. If you answer "yes" to the question have you ever been on anti-depressants or serotonin uptake inhibitors you are automatically PMR'd. No waiver can be granted, you are permanently DQ'd.for any branch of the US military. And I have never heard of a Tran-whatever that hasn't been on one of those.

Blogger Sherwood family July 14, 2015 9:28 AM  

kfg, that is a fine reference to one of Sabatini's great characters: Andre Louis Moreau aka Scaramouche.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 14, 2015 9:29 AM  

My favorite bit of the article Vox sited, was the claim by the California Institute of Rainbow Unicorn Farts that 15,500 trannys are serving in secret.

Since they are serving in secret of course you can't actually verify the numbers or anything but it just feels right to us. Good California Science is all about feelings.

Blogger Joshua_D July 14, 2015 9:40 AM  

Tom Joad July 14, 2015 8:57 AM

if I remember my history correctly, reactionaries weren't too happy when the military took on the "social experiment" of racial integration, but that made our military stronger, more capable, allowed leaders like Colin Powell to rise, and served as a model for the nation.


Shut up idiot.

Blogger pdwalker July 14, 2015 9:41 AM  

If you wrote this as a story, it'd have been rejected as being too fanciful.

Anonymous Geoff July 14, 2015 9:54 AM  

I'm going to guess that most of the transgender people who want to serve are dykes who converted to male.

Anonymous BrerFox July 14, 2015 9:55 AM  

Truth is stranger than fiction, since fiction must be believable.

Blogger bob k. mando July 14, 2015 9:55 AM  

20. Tom Joad July 14, 2015 8:57 AM
Please don't tell me you're a Jade Helm Truther?



the 'official explanation' ( to practice infiltrating civilian populations ) for the purpose of Jade Helm is laughably less than surd.

which of our current or projected enemies has a civilian population similar to America? WHY would US .mil recruits need 'experience' mingling with the US civilian population? hell, they do that every weekend on leave.

that doesn't mean that JH will be the institution of martial law this summer. but it certainly is practice for another Katrina and the further illegal seizure of legally owned firearms.


22. Alexander, #10 July 14, 2015 9:02 AM
and now that same army flounders around against 7th century goat herders who haven't invented toilet paper while debating the right color of high heel for the troops.


meh.

that's more a problem with our political leadership ( especially post Nam ) than it is a problem with the mil.

when you've got Prez Johnson personally ordering bombing runs on abandoned rock quarries to make a 'show of force' ... yeah, you've pretty much got a bunch of thumb suckers ( rhymes with ... ) in charge.

Blogger Alexander July 14, 2015 9:57 AM  

Sure - hence the other variables.

But I see no actual evidence that the US army post 1948 is, with regards to personnel, a stronger, more capable, more cohesive force.

Blogger Rabbi B July 14, 2015 9:59 AM  

"One thing I didn't realize when reading about the historical collapse of empires is how damned farcical it is."

Remember when Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger was farcical? But, then again, he was trying to get out of the army. we've come a long way, baby.

Anonymous gwood July 14, 2015 10:05 AM  

... Lenin's university career was cut short when he was sent down, arrested and jailed for taking part in a revolutionary student demonstration. When the policeman escorting him to the prison observed: "What's the use of rebelling, young man? Don't you see there's a wall before you?" Lenin replied: "Yes, but the wall is rotten. Give it a good push and it will topple over!"

Anonymous Frank B Luke July 14, 2015 10:07 AM  

>And besides its mostly academic. If you answer "yes" to the question have you ever been on anti-depressants or serotonin uptake inhibitors you are automatically PMR'd. No waiver can be granted, you are permanently DQ'd.for any branch of the US military. And I have never heard of a Tran-whatever that hasn't been on one of those.

The applicant will either lie or the rule will be waived (yes, you say it can't be waived, but SJWs believe rules are for other people) for those who took it. If they lie, then when the lie is discovered, it will be excused. Wouldn't want to give the applicant badfeelz.

Back when I was in seminary, I considered the chaplaincy because my best buddy was a chaplaincy candidate. He's been active duty for 15 or 16 years now. One day we were talking, and I mentioned how I had awakened the night before standing in the middle of my room fully dressed.

He said, "You sleepwalk?"

"Very rarely, but yes. This is the first one I remember in years."

"Forget the chaplaincy. Sleepwalkers are not allowed in the military. They present a danger to their company if they walk during deployment."

I was surprised, but when I thought about it, I realized the rule made perfect sense.

Blogger bearspaw July 14, 2015 10:08 AM  

@bkm That is the proceedure. A couple of years ago Alberta was hit by a massive flood. Authorities eveacuated the populations and then proceeded to kick down locked doors, going directly gun safes and effectivly disarming the area of private firearms. How did they know where to go? Canada has a convenient gun registry to deter illegal firearms!

Blogger bob k. mando July 14, 2015 10:12 AM  

46. pdwalker July 14, 2015 9:41 AM
If you wrote this as a story, it'd have been rejected as being too fanciful.



hurr hurr, i see what you did there.


47. Geoff July 14, 2015 9:54 AM
I'm going to guess that most of the transgender people who want to serve are dykes who converted to male.



uh, not likely.

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1288161

there are two m > f retired .mil trannies on AT that i know of. Jessica used to be a mod in the Soap Box.

Troublesome Strumpet was ( last known ) in a three way relationship with a man and woman ... and the woman had had a child. TS was originally from the UK but served in the US .mil ... so he's got a long history of "not belonging".

i haven't heard of any f > m trannies even going into the service.


for a useful heuristic to understand the recent spate of trans children:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome_by_proxy


you take a parent with Munchausen's-by-proxy, give them a child with Munchausen's and have them express via a politically protected deviancy ... and they can cut off, mutilate or poison themselves as much as they want.

while demanding that you pay for it.

what better way to get attention?

Anonymous jassi July 14, 2015 10:22 AM  

How long til our finest paraplegics are on the front lines?

Blogger jay c July 14, 2015 10:23 AM  

There probably won't be a lot of females trying to enlist while pretending to be males unless the military lowers standards across the board. I wouldn't be too surprised if they did, though. To maintain the farce, those XXs would have to pass male physical standards. It will be much easier for XYs to enlist as females. With the influx of gays, the military will just become a queer dating service.

Anonymous Geoff July 14, 2015 10:38 AM  

Interesting, Bob. Thanks, I stand corrected.

Blogger RC July 14, 2015 10:39 AM  

1) Founders spinning in graves hooked to turbines would out generate Hoover dam.

2) SSRIs could become the new draft dodge. What could possibly be their reasoning, denying those that use such effective meds from enlisting?

Anonymous A Visitor July 14, 2015 10:45 AM  

"As a veteran, this makes me want to vomit. No way in hell would I allow my son to serve in this army."

I seriously threw around the idea of joining. I am so thankful to God that I never did. I can barely function with
open homos around me when working or out soically. I doubt I could if I was locked into an 8 year contract
(including two years of IRR).

"I'd laugh too except for knowing how much suffering is heaped on good, innocent people as part of this farce."

It is probably reasonable to assume that those who still have some semblance of honor are going to ETS rather
than stay in for a painful few more to ten more years for their pensions. The only legitimate concern is if we get
into an actual shooting war with China, Russia, or Iran. We'd be in deep, then. Let's just hope like the old Soviet
Union that the three are reasonable actors. China and Russia are. Iran may or may not be depending on how Khameini
is feeling at any given moment.

"Hey, this coupled with basically giving Iran nukes and setting off a nuclear arms race in the middle east, coupled with how much we have been poking the Russian bear makes sure that Hillary will be playing in international hard mode when she becomes president."

LOL!

"Serve up dignity and respect to middle class men of strict heterosexual inclinations? "

At least the chicks who had a thing for me at Fort Irwin I can safely say were actually chicks. That makes me sleep
easier at night, heh.

"Thus, the daughters of feminism will reap the fruits of their mothers rebellion."

Prepare for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

"This strikes me as a 1984 'the-proles-could-have-whatever-they-want-if-only-they-knew-it' moments. If the white, straight, South-and-Midwestern boys refused to join this travesty, what would they do?"

Give it ten or twenty years. They will stop joining.

"As for the main topic, if I remember my history correctly, reactionaries weren't too happy when the military took on the "social experiment" of racial integration, but that made our military stronger, more capable, allowed leaders like Colin Powell to rise, and served as a model for the nation."

He isn't. Furthermore, you're making the logical fallacy of comparing this to racial integration? One flew over the cuckoo's nest indeed.

"#20 Are you seriously comparing letting blacks into the military with letting in men who want to pretend they are women and chop of their dongs?"

He said dongs! *snickers*

"Bets only in real currency please: gold, high quality tequila or weapons."

Real currency = lead, gold, and cigarettes.

"That has all the fun of:

1. exposing the lie that the other 'soldiers' are just as capable and willing to fight and"

If there ever is a serious shooting war, that will become self evident really quickly.

Imagine, if you will for a second, fighting against Russia, China, or Iran. Think of massive social media blasts
by the enemy showing our "boys" being slaughtered because they're really women. Imagine what it would do a) to
public support of said war and b) public perception of transgenders serving openly.

"I know nothing about Jade Helm, but I know that US Marines were deployed in LA during the riots."

VD maybe his collective memory doesn't go back to the early '90s.

"WTF kinda mind altering substance has Ashton B. Carter been taking?"

It's called "equality." I hear it makes you find men posing as women attractive.

"How long til our finest paraplegics are on the front lines?"

That's already happened. When I was in undergrad (circa '07) there were stories of (albeit voluntary) paras serving in the Army in Afghanistan.

Blogger Bard July 14, 2015 10:46 AM  

I have been monitoring this for the last 6 mos. Knew it was coming when we received a hospital memo detailing policies on how to treat our transgender civilian employees. I have two years left and am going to black knight the shit out of this. I will declare myself female only on days we take the APFT, then using the female standard, score over a 500! Imagine the law suit one can now file for discrimination in this area of equality. Absolutely crystal clear discrimination based on gender.

Anonymous zen0 July 14, 2015 10:51 AM  

> Give it ten or twenty years. They will stop joining.

I am not sure we got 10 or twenty years.

OpenID everybodyhatesscott July 14, 2015 10:53 AM  

If the south tries to secede again, it will be a bunch of straight rednecks fighting gays, women, and trannies. I know which way I'll be betting.

Blogger Bard July 14, 2015 10:54 AM  

The biggest fall out of the gays openly serving has been all the young men marrying their best friends from high school or who are getting out of the army to give them benefits or move out of the barracks.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 14, 2015 11:03 AM  

What will happen when an entire unit of men decided they can't deploy to war because they are all trans pregnant?
http://entasia.net/threads/transpregnancy-pregnancyforall.60078/

Anonymous 10900209 July 14, 2015 11:08 AM  

What an embarrassing time to be an American. The Russians and the Chinese must be laughing their asses off.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 14, 2015 11:09 AM  

Since male and female uniforms look the same, how will anyone know?

Lipstick.

Blogger CM July 14, 2015 11:09 AM  

What will happen when an entire unit of men decided they can't deploy to war because they are all trans pregnant?

When i first saw this, i went looking to see if this was an actual THING. Thank God it isn't, but how ling til it is?

Some company just made a lubricating tampon for m > fs that "bleeds".

Blogger El Borak July 14, 2015 11:10 AM  

Heinlein's Crazy Years are upon us, and they are considerably crazier than he'd ever imagined.

I'm sure when he wrote Year of the Jackpot, his readers thought he'd gone off the deep end. I think it's gonna pour in Southern California some day real soon.

Blogger Marissa July 14, 2015 11:17 AM  

I'm going to guess that most of the transgender people who want to serve are dykes who converted to male.

While Bob addressed this already, he didn't hit a pertinent point that I think is important. The majority of transsexuals are "male to female". Most "male to female" transsexuals are autogynephiliacs. They have an unhealthy obsession with women, and when they pretend to become women, most of them still retain attraction for women and consider themselves "lesbians". They're not, they're simply fucked up men who are heterosexual. Are these weirdos going to be sharing showers and toilets with females?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:17 AM  

Why they really want the defectives in the military:

1. They are encouraging psychologically damaged people to join as they know they will commit atrocities against the normal folk as their consciences have been seared by their perverse lifestyle.

2. The powers that be also know that in the event the patriots are backed into a corner and go after the oppressors the defectives in the ranks will get routed much easier than hardened, serious men. They want the carnage.

3. They are driving the real men out as they will not accept orders to attack their own citizens.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:20 AM  

4. Lastly, they know homosexual/trans soldiers will be posting bizarre photos and videos of themselves all over the internet and it will stoke the foreign enemies into a frenzy as they realize they can take the trannies in a battle. It will be really good for weapons sales.

5. The utter failure of this will facilitate the easy transition to robots who have the same moral dilemma as trannys do, which is none.

Anonymous paradox July 14, 2015 11:21 AM  

The great debate between .308 vs .223 is now over. The poodle shooter will do just fine.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:24 AM  

If I were a foreign military, I would attack the tranny's when they are engaged in sex with each other. You could have potentially half of our army on it's knees at any given time.

That is a winning strategy.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:25 AM  

God help the first tranny soldier who is captured by the enemy.

And the second, and the third, and the ...

Blogger Marissa July 14, 2015 11:26 AM  

Y'all were the same group the predicted doom and gloom when DADT was repealed and that hasn't impacted readiness either.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:29 AM  

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Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:30 AM  

Men having sex with other men while off-duty can only strengthen our military, or so we have to believe, or we are intolerant and must be re-educated.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield July 14, 2015 11:32 AM  

In related news of the downfall of American Civilization, the Boy Scouts have voted to allow gay scout leaders.

http://time.com/3956061/boy-scouts-gay-adult-leaders/

I'm with Jake. No way would I allow a son to join the military and risk his life for this rotten and depraved culture.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 14, 2015 11:32 AM  

> Give it ten or twenty years. They will stop joining.

I am not sure we got 10 or twenty years.


More like 5 to 15 years. Well, realistically, it's probably 10 to 20, as it'll take a few years after the onset of a new little ice age for crop failures to build up.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:33 AM  

Women, gays, transsexuals, etc. have no business in the military.

But when I reflect on this statement and look at the male youth of America, and half of them are drooling and stupid, pasty and fat, and already have diabetes and have been on psyche meds for 15 years... maybe it doesn't really matter anymore.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 14, 2015 11:35 AM  

The great debate between .308 vs .223 is now over. The poodle shooter will do just fine.

An old-fashioned cap gun would probably scatter them. Hell, carving a vaguely gun-shaped object out of a piece of bread is enough to give SJWs the vapors.

Blogger Chris Scena July 14, 2015 11:39 AM  

3. They are driving the real men out as they will not accept orders to attack their own citizens.

This right here, Tiny Tim. Scares the shit out of me and makes me want to buy a gun.

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Anonymous 224 July 14, 2015 11:43 AM  

Enemy could just wave a Rebel Flag and the US forces would be "shaking and almost vomiting". So sad.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 14, 2015 11:43 AM  

"Speaking of farcical, drug kingpin El Chappo is tweeting like mad, but the Heartiste's twitter account just got suspended. Social Justice Warrior priorities, people. Make trannies not tanks. Drug lords not real talk."

Maybe Heariste called gays something worse than a milk shitter, like Chappo did one of his enemies.

Since male and female uniforms look the same, how will anyone know?
They are allowed to wear pink bows like the original gamer tranny Ms Pacman

What can the trans group bring aside from wanting to wear weird clothing identifying whom they are to the enemy, endangering

They will be more willing to be raped than real girl soldiers.

military took on the "social experiment" of racial integration, but that made our military stronger, more capable

You can name one good one out of a whole nation. For every Colon you have thousands of black sergeants sending their non smoking underlings to use up their cigarette rations so they can black market. Most blacks are not smart enough to join the military but when recruiters tell them there asvab is too low to join they find out they are going to college at taxpayer expense.

I'm going to guess that most of the transgender people who want to serve are dykes who converted to male.

Kick them out for PT failure.

been on anti-depressants or serotonin uptake inhibitors you are automatically PMR'd. No waiver can be granted, you are permanently DQ'd.for any branch of the US military

Perhaps the new thing will be trans-honest and trans-competent.

I am not sure we got 10 or twenty years. Not sure if the planted fruit trees will be producing by the nigapocalypse.

OpenID mattse001 July 14, 2015 11:44 AM  

When Obama is gone, there will have to be a widespread purge of collaborators in the military. Of course, LGBTs will have to be banned again, overtly and outright.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:44 AM  

Any soldier will tell you they fight for the guy next to them when in the shit. No old glory, not grandma, but for the guy next to them they respect and would die for.

This is about destroying unit cohesion and seeding distrust among the troops.

This is about destroying our military, in the same vein as they have destroyed our economy.

The slaves must lose belief in everything and have their cultural norms destroyed so they can be molded into good cattle.

Anonymous Sam the Man July 14, 2015 11:47 AM  

There are some really wacky issues that have to be dealt with:

1) I was under the impression that the trannies have to take does of the opposite sex hormones to not revert. Does that mean the S4 or medical are going to have to track the supplies of hormones for the trannies? How is that going to work on the battlefield or even on any sort of deployment?

2) Just a few years ago trannies were seen and mentally ill. Now we let them in to the military? You are not eligible to serve if you have mental problems. How do they get around this (as was mentioned in post #42)

3) While the ACU is pretty much the same (other than cut) between men and women, the dress blues are not. Nor are the hair standards. Are now going to have a bunch men with long hair allowed in units? Are you going to have hairy guys wearing the female dress blues? That is going to be viscerally gross.

4) If folks can sell identify, how are you going to maintain discipline? PVT Slacker does not want to cut his hair, does not want to do PT. He says he self-identifies as a lesbian women. Now what do you do? You cannot touch him and unit discipline goes to hell. Where do you put him in barracks, the female one? What if he still has his wiener? The entire thing will effectively allow anther class to avoid discipline by NCO’s

5) We are now entering the realm of having the multiple groups of protected classes in the Army. The institution simply cannot function that way, the only thing that has allowed it to function until now was that only men were allowed in combat units. The effectiveness and pride of service support units was not so good with women and other protected classes, that disaster is going to be pushed into the combat arms. Insane.

6) Based on the above one can only conclude the folks doing this are actively trying to destroy the military as an institution, to make it a SJW institution. Either they saw the military as right wing and are willing to destroy it because of threat or because they want to see us defeated in a war.

Anonymous kfg July 14, 2015 11:48 AM  

@everybodyhatesscott:

Gays, women and trannies who are congenitally afraid of shoulder things that go up attached to things that go bang.

@Paradox:

.177 pellets. To put 'em out of commission just give 'em a boo boo and make 'em cry.

Blogger IM2L844 July 14, 2015 11:50 AM  

Feelings must be validated is not a compelling argument. This experiment isn't going to end well.

Blogger automattthew July 14, 2015 11:59 AM  

Chris Scena, Obvious is a banned troll. Please do not reply to him.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 14, 2015 11:59 AM  

Why do people here care if Iran gets nukes?

Blogger Marissa July 14, 2015 12:00 PM  

When Obama is gone, there will have to be a widespread purge of collaborators in the military. Of course, LGBTs will have to be banned again, overtly and outright.

That's baselessly optimistic.

Blogger Alexander July 14, 2015 12:03 PM  

I don't.

Europe doesn't give a shit about being European, so why should I care if they have a few Iranian nukes being aimed at them. And if it starts a nuclear arms race in the ME, well:

1. Arabs haven't got the ability to build them themselves.
2. Islam is a peaceful religion of peace so who ought to care, anyway?

Westerners have much more to worry about of Muslims we allow into our country than those making scary faces in their own countries.

What I *do* think is a problem is telling a Muslim, "No, you can't have X", and then backing down from it. Doesn't matter if X is a minaret, a burqa, a pork-free cafeteria, or a nuclear weapon, it's another part of the camel through the tent flap.

Blogger Daniel July 14, 2015 12:05 PM  

Navy SQUEEEALs

Anonymous BGS July 14, 2015 12:17 PM  

Navy tranny were- SQUEEEALs

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 14, 2015 12:20 PM  

I've always thought of that as a leading indicator, but then I was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.

The world is absurd because it's funny. Laugh along.

Blogger Cee July 14, 2015 12:20 PM  

Lesbian Navy tranny were-SQUEEEALs.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 July 14, 2015 12:27 PM  

When our troops are turned against us on American soil, this just means they will be that much less prepared to deal with us.

I for one welcome our tranny overlords.

Anonymous Quartermaster July 14, 2015 12:32 PM  

"When Obama is gone, there will have to be a widespread purge of collaborators in the military. Of course, LGBTs will have to be banned again, overtly and outright."

"That's baselessly optimistic."

Too true. Bush I started the social engineering in the military and slick willie put it on stilts. Bush II did utterly nothing to end the social engineering his daddy started. Anyone that really thinks another GOP POTUS is going to end the social engineering is doing serious narcotics.

Blogger bob k. mando July 14, 2015 12:44 PM  

70. Marissa July 14, 2015 11:17 AM
They're not, they're simply fucked up men who are heterosexual. Are these weirdos going to be sharing showers and toilets with females?



your cis-normative heterosexual female prejudices are oppressing m- ... ahem, them.

are you going to make me put on a dress to use the women's room once gender neutral facilities become law? that's just mean.

i suppose you're going to make me get rid of my shoe cam as well?


71. Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 11:17 AM
3. They are driving the real men out as they will not accept orders to attack their own citizens.



absolutely not true AND this has been known for 90 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army#U.S._Army_intervention

i don't count the Civil War here because citizens of the North considered themselves 'other' from citizens of the South.



90. Sam the Man July 14, 2015 11:47 AM
4) If folks can sell identify, how are you going to maintain discipline?


indeed.

Anonymous Quartermaster July 14, 2015 12:46 PM  

I used to tell kids that had no idea what they wanted to do in life to serve a hitch, learn something new and see a bit of the world other than corner of it you grew up in. I quit telling them that 25 years ago when Bush I started the social engineering during his maladministration. I say "stay away" far more forcefully these days.

It truly disgusts me that I have to say that these days.

Blogger Marissa July 14, 2015 12:46 PM  

Woodrow Wilson started the social engineering, and he would be considered more "conservative" than any of the current POTUS candidates.

Blogger Chris Scena July 14, 2015 12:47 PM  

Sorry, automatthew. I forgot he was in the Clamps zone.

Blogger IM2L844 July 14, 2015 12:47 PM  

Why do people here care if Iran gets nukes?

Oh, I don't know...maybe because they're bat-shit crazy, self-proclaimed, other side of the global caliphate coin (Shiite) terrorists?

Blogger Nate July 14, 2015 12:53 PM  

"Oh, I don't know...maybe because they're bat-shit crazy, self-proclaimed, other side of the global caliphate coin (Shiite) terrorists?"

Do explain how Iran getting nukes is worse than North Korea having them.

Blogger Rabbi B July 14, 2015 12:55 PM  

"Oh, I don't know...maybe because they're bat-shit crazy, self-proclaimed, other side of the global caliphate coin (Shiite) terrorists?"

They would never do anything careless. We have nothing to worry about. They said so, and they never lie.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 14, 2015 12:57 PM  

More selfish political posturing from those who cannot prove any knowledge or respect for the military. They do not hold the moral high ground IMO

Anonymous Michael Maier July 14, 2015 12:58 PM  

Filling out a form today:

STATE DEPT PASSPORT PAGE

"Was your passport limited due to ongoing gender transition or naturalization certificate replacement?"

Anonymous Geoff July 14, 2015 1:03 PM  

Hey BGS, do you think Serena would pass PT?

Blogger Thucydides July 14, 2015 1:15 PM  

allow transgender troops to serve, except in situations “where objective, practical impediments are identified.”

Wouldn't that be every situation?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 1:16 PM  

Nate: Do explain how Iran getting nukes is worse than North Korea having them.

The rabid muslim is far more dangerous than the cowed atheist. One believes in the bringing in of Armadeddon, the murder of the infidels, and the ensuing enslavement of the planet while the other just wants something to eat and a porn VHS.

Anonymous cheddarman July 14, 2015 1:16 PM  

Nate,

Yankee trannies may soon have their fingers on the U.S. nuke launch keys. Thats gotta warm your Southron heart

Anonymous Sam the Man July 14, 2015 1:17 PM  

Mr. mantraman

many folks here are veterans. They do not like seeing an institution they spent time in and hold some regard for being degraded by all of the leftist policies. Policies that have nothing to do with an efficient organization and everything to do with some other nefarious political purpose.

two more reasons this is insane:

1) How about the disrespect to folks who entered under implied promises? it used to me that open gays and trannies were not allowed, those Christians/Jews/Islamists that found such activities offensive could expect that they would not have to accept this behavior over a 20 to 30 year career.

Now an observant person who is in say 12~15 years (far too long to get out pre retirement) has to put up with this crap for another 5 to 8 years before getting out. What does this policy say about respect for those service members, it shows an absolute lack of respect in any way.

2) What are you going to do with the Trannies and Gay members know when they start fraternizing with each other? It is not going to be good for the rest of the unit members, to most straight people that stuff is simply viscerally gross.

Next I expect they will let folks in that like to play with human fecal matter like play-doo. Why not, they just have different smelling norms, who are you to judge?

Insane...

Blogger IM2L844 July 14, 2015 1:22 PM  

Do explain how Iran getting nukes is worse than North Korea having them.

Do explain what a comparison to North Korea or any other subjective metric of evil has to do with anything.

Blogger Alexander July 14, 2015 1:32 PM  

Yankee trannies may soon have their fingers on the U.S. nuke launch keys. Thats gotta warm your Southron heart

We will rise again... only this time as radioactive superhuman mutants. There will be no mercy shown to the mundanes of the North when undead Nate leads the Army of the Apoconfederacy across the Potomac & Ohio.

Blogger Alexander July 14, 2015 1:34 PM  

Correction: after Maker's Mark, no chance Nate will grant leniency to Kentucky. 2 strikes and you're out.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 1:38 PM  

The tranny's and gays will be screwing each other. All well and good while they get along... but wait till the emotional breakup and betrayal with other service members.

It is like one man having ten girlfriends, putting them in a battle and expecting them to die for each other.

Didn't they blame the blowing up of the Battle Ship Iowas turret on a jealous gay incident relationship rift if I do recall?

Anonymous BGS July 14, 2015 1:41 PM  

Actually I might go down to the VA and tell them I identify as having a trans hysterectomy while in the service. That's worth 50% service connected disability.

Hey BGS, do you think Serena would pass PT?

I think she can even do the peeing standing up part. When I first say the Williams on TV I thought my bf was watching LOGO's tranny tennis.

Anonymous kfg July 14, 2015 1:43 PM  

@Sam the Man:

War is a racket.

Blogger Technomad July 14, 2015 2:13 PM  

If I were commanding, and had a bunch of these mutants around, guess just who would be tapped any time I had a suicide mission of marginal importance that needed to be done? *innocent look*

Anonymous Geoff July 14, 2015 2:17 PM  

Serena strikes me as a gay man. She looks like a man (a very strong man at that) but acts feminine and is into dresses and makeup etc.

It's like she's a woman trapped in a man's body, but it's not really a man's body.

It blows my mind.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee July 14, 2015 2:18 PM  

The headline you won't see - but should:

Military Embraces Trans, Lesbians Hardest Hit

Blogger Owen July 14, 2015 2:23 PM  

Which is more likely:

The first trans to enter a military academy will commit suicide in the first year, or

the first trans to enter a military academy will lead to the banning of "plebe status" or hazing, etc.

Anonymous paradox July 14, 2015 2:31 PM  

Tiny Tim

Nate: Do explain how Iran getting nukes is worse than North Korea having them.

The rabid muslim is far more dangerous than the cowed atheist


BS... the Tamil Tigers are Marxist atheist and they invented the suicide bomber.

Blogger Curtis July 14, 2015 2:34 PM  

Please don't tell me you're a Jade Helm Truther?

Because the younger folks only know what they know in the environment that they grow up in. Therefore, all these military exercises, from practicing citizen control, containment, incarceration, extractions, to gathering intel, social media propaganda, practicing military ops with local and state police, with FEMA and DHS thrown in, and etc., etc. means it has always been so in our cities forever and ever. Nothing to see here!

Blogger Curtis July 14, 2015 2:40 PM  

I can only imagine he is laughing: https://youtu.be/dYTfzfsbiUI

Blogger Alexander July 14, 2015 2:45 PM  

Here is my reading of the land:

The North Korean leadership doesn't give two shits one way or another about its people or its culture. I could have easily seen Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un lying on the death bed and thinking 'fuck it, let's go down as world's greatest asshole'. The biggest hindrance I see here is that they'd have to be close to dying, in which case the generals/remaining family may save their own skin from retaliatory nuclear fire.

But Iran: I see the Persians as having a pride in what it means to be Persian. If they don't particularly care about letting their people do their own thing, they do have a pride in being around, of being a regional power, of having influence, and of one day being respected as a world power.

They can't do these things if they bring nuclear fire on themselves. Even worse, a power vacuum resulting from the instantaneous destruction of Iran and Israel would put the region firmly in control of a) Arabs and b) Sunni Muslims.

I do not see Iran going out in a blaze of glory so that Arab Sunnis can reap the benefits. Not a chance.

I think Iran wants the nuclear weapon for two reasons:

1) After seeing North Korea vs. Libya, Iraq, Egypt, Ukraine, etc. etc. any nation that's not at least thinking about how it can acquire nuclear weapons is a damn fool.

2) Oh, it must feel nice, watching America, England, France, and Germany bow and scrape after the indignities of the past two centuries. I almost wonder if the Iranian leadership is just having a day in the dumps and figures another round of nuclear talks isn't just the thing to lighten the mood.

Now if I were a Sunni Arab, I might nonetheless take the view that I can't fully discount what Iran *might* do, however unlikely. If I were an Israeli, it would be worth my time to think things through.

But I am not, so fuck it. There's the camel's nose issue I brought up before, but really it's silly to worry about the camel that might one day be while at the same time we've got Tehrangeles and Al-Michigan within the homeland.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 14, 2015 2:48 PM  

Re: "truther"

Now anyone who questions the official government narrative and makes any effort to discover the truth is labeled a "truther" as a condescending insult. Doublespeak indeed...

Re: "Hey BGS, do you think Serena would pass PT? "

I enjoy watching ANW, and at least one of those women could. She was the first to actually complete the course they ran last night, besting many men, and my tired old eyes find her quite attractive, despite her rather petite chest. She works as a stunt double I think.

One of the other more successful female competitor's main problem is her large tits. She would do a lot better without them.

I understand they are exceptions to the rule, but no hurt in giving credit where it is due.

Blogger Curtis July 14, 2015 2:57 PM  

Re: Iran and nukes - Which path to Persia

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/warning-nuclear-deal-with-iran-prelude.html

Blogger Alexander July 14, 2015 2:59 PM  

I do have to counter my own opinion though with the knowledge that Obama likes what passed, and so is certainly a massive net loss for western civilization in general and Anglos in particular. I will have to think long and hard about my previous apathy on this issue, especially given the likelihood of secret future poison pills for our consumption.

Anonymous Jake Blues July 14, 2015 3:03 PM  

The people steering youth away from military service are making a big mistake. It works AGAINST our future success, and ignores key 4th Generation War principles. It also contradicts recent experience in Iraq.

+ 4GW doesn't hold terrain, it holds influence. You hold zero if you aren't there. And we want to give up any insight, intel, personal connections, etc. into the biggest organization with guns? Nuttier'n letting trannies serve, right there.

+ I-rack experience. The tribes were told (unofficially) to send some of their men into the Army for training, hold the rest back to defend the tribe, then have the first set come back and send in another fraction for training. Desertion rates were high, but the tribes sent people because the training made them stronger. Which helped them rub out a lot of people on their own. They couldn't train on their own to the same standard, so the bargain made sense.

If we're now a tribe within an evil empire, we need to start thinking like one. Don't desert, just get the infantry training and do your single tour.

A little advance prep can even add excellent Black Knighting opportunities to "arguments for joining".

Blogger Owen July 14, 2015 3:04 PM  

Alexander,
Let me counter the counter by asking, "What has the West done recently to be worth saving?"

I'm not suggesting "Let it burn," but when the Iranian nutjobs rage against Western decadence and sin, I'm slowly running out of, "Yeah, but..."s.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 14, 2015 3:07 PM  

"Yeah, but..."

....I still like drinkin' whiskey, smoking cigars, and shooting guns.....and breathing....?

Guess if they outlaw all of that it might be worth fighting...... ;-)

Blogger Curtis July 14, 2015 3:10 PM  

Don't desert, just get the infantry training and do your single tour.

http://www.maxvelocitytactical.com/

https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/courses-offered/

https://masondixontactical.wordpress.com/about/

You can still get that training.

Blogger IM2L844 July 14, 2015 3:23 PM  

If I had a demonstrably insane neighbor on one side of me that gave me concerns because they had the means to efficiently cause me and my family harm and another demonstrably insane neighbor on the other side of me that openly declared it wished harm upon me and my family, I wouldn't actively seek to provide the second neighbor a path to acquire an efficient means to carry out their wishes and then justify it with some kind of fairness doctrine.

I wouldn't assume either one of them would employ the same sort of reasoning that I and other normal people use or even the same reasoning as each other. I would expect both of them to eventually do something insanely unreasonable. Giving the benefit of the doubt to intrinsically unreasonable people is idiocy.

Blogger Alexander July 14, 2015 3:25 PM  

Owen,

End of the day, it's still my home, my history, my tribe.

Second, the fact that it's an outsider making a bad deal on our behalf is worth opposing on principle.

OpenID mattse001 July 14, 2015 3:26 PM  

95. Marissa: That's baselessly optimistic.
I'm not saying that will happen, just that it should happen. Anything less will not restore the military to fighting shape.
Also, I'm a big fan of the idea that evil should at least not profit. This move would restore the status quo ante.

Blogger Feather Blade July 14, 2015 3:31 PM  

Are these weirdos going to be sharing showers and toilets with females?

Yes. I am looking forward to the inevitable sexual harassment and rape claims.

Who does the claiming will be the amusing part to see.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 14, 2015 3:35 PM  

Paradox, I use "cowed atheist" specifically when talking about the North Koreans.

Other atheist's must be judged accordingly.

Anonymous Mike M. (minion #315) July 14, 2015 3:48 PM  

I will merely observe that if I were a homosexual on active duty, I would keep my mouth shut about it. There's a lot of frustration about the way this regime has treated the military, and this issue in particular.

And the battlefield is a dangerous place.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 14, 2015 3:59 PM  

Lol at the asinine claim that Iran's leaders are "crazy".

I am literally not even kidding when I say that Irans leaders are far more reasonable than yours.

Apparently, Iran is supposed to nuke America (which is literally on the other side of the world) even though doing so would result in massive retaliation.

Your faggot givernment has been threatening them with war for decades now, for simply refusing to kiss your ring. But it's THEM that wants war.

Newsflash: hating you is not a crime. Given the abject submission to Jews and your degeneracy, hating you is a badge of goodness. It's YOUR leaders threatening them, not the other way around.

Anonymous kfg July 14, 2015 4:06 PM  

@Curtis: "Because the younger folks only know what they know in the environment that they grow up in."

And we're about to have a class of kids entering high school who weren't born yet on 9/11/01

Blogger Alexander July 14, 2015 4:12 PM  

I hate to say it, but Tommy Hass nails it on every point.

But he inadvertently also makes the point that we should oppose this deal, if for no other reason than our degenerate and full-out-faggot government approves it: opposing them is, a badge of goodness.

A tricky web to unweave.

Blogger IM2L844 July 14, 2015 4:13 PM  

Again, scaling crazy is irrelevant. One level of crazy doesn't vindicate the other. Two different crazies are just two different crazies.

Blogger Nate July 14, 2015 4:46 PM  

"Do explain what a comparison to North Korea or any other subjective metric of evil has to do with anything. "

Certainly.

Its about the value of your predictive model. See we're supposed to wet ourselves with fear over Crazy-Hatee-Hate Iran getting nukes... because Crazy... and Hate.

Which is exactly what you people said about Crazy-Hatee-Hate North Korea. Because Crazy! And Hate!

Well... North Korea has had nukes for years now.. and they've bothered no one with them.

Thus.. when you rail about Iran getting nukes... we look at the value of your predictions... ie... north korea.. and we think you're a dumb dumb.

Blogger Nate July 14, 2015 4:48 PM  

And... even more importantly people... You need to grasp this:

"Should we allow Iran to get nukes?" is a stupid question. Its a stupid question because we can't stop them. We couldn't stop North Korea from getting nukes. We cannot stop Iran from getting nukes either.

Deal with it.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 14, 2015 5:22 PM  

"But he inadvertently also makes the point that we should oppose this deal, if for no other reason than our degenerate and full-out-faggot government approves it: opposing them is, a badge of goodness.

A tricky web to unweave."

Meh. With "your degenerate/faggot government" I wasn't referring to the Obama Administration, but the Zionist occupied globo government, i.e. both of them. Obama's unwillingness to send soldiers into various sand pits puts the truth to the stament "even a broken clock is right, twice a day".

Blogger Danby July 14, 2015 6:20 PM  

Strangely, I find myself agreeing with Tommy Hass. It's a weird feeling.

I've know a lot of Persians in my time. The thing to remember about them is that they are NOT Semites. They are Indo-Europeans.

Anonymous kfg July 14, 2015 6:21 PM  

You can't put the gunpowder back into the China.

Blogger Danby July 14, 2015 6:49 PM  

@KFG
The Japanese tried and look how that turned out for them.

Blogger IM2L844 July 14, 2015 6:58 PM  

Well... North Korea has had nukes for years now.. and they've bothered no one with them.

6 years is the blink of an eye. Enabling the inevitable just because it's inevitable is defeatist

Anonymous freddie_mac1 July 14, 2015 7:18 PM  

>>“We must ensure that everyone who’s able and willing to serve has the full and equal opportunity to do so, and we must treat all our people with the dignity and respect they deserve,” Carter said in a statement.

So, when exactly did the US military move the recruiting stations to mental hospitals??? These people are sick, and the last thing we should do is (a) put a deadly weapon in their hands, (b) given them access to classified materials, or (c) give them access to sensitive equipment and locations.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 14, 2015 7:23 PM  

"Enabling the inevitable just because it's inevitable is defeatist" Um, no. Defeatism if you consider inevitable things that aren't inevitable.

Blogger IM2L844 July 14, 2015 8:18 PM  

I don't concede that it's actually inevitable.

Anonymous kfg July 14, 2015 8:36 PM  

And yet anyone, anywhere in the world, can obtain a steel weapon.

Anonymous Luke July 14, 2015 8:38 PM  

This reminds me of the explanation given by a USMC captain for resigning his commission:

"When I joined up, homosexuality was proscribed. Now it's allowed. I'm getting out before they make it mandatory."

Blogger Doc Rampage July 14, 2015 8:56 PM  

Some of you joke about how this will weaken the military, and it will, but they will still have tanks, automatic weapons and air power. Today, the military is the ONLY powerful institution in this country that hasn't been taken over by the Democrats. That has been what keeps a Democrat president from just declaring martial law and becoming a dictator. Bringing in women, affirmative action for minorities, allowing gays, and now this: it's all part of the Democratic effort to take over the military like they have taken over most police forces. Put Democrat true believers into the institution and get them promoted to positions of power. Once they control the military, the Democrats can stop pretending at democracy and go full totalitarian. All of the hunting rifles and handguns in the hands of citizens will be at most a minor annoyance to them.

Blogger Nate July 14, 2015 10:50 PM  

"6 years is the blink of an eye. Enabling the inevitable just because it's inevitable is defeatist"

It has nothing to do with enabling.

You need to read more history. The history of weapons and arms is clear. You cannot keep the genie in the bottle. Just as the US couldn't keep the USSR from getting the tech... there is no way the US can prevent Iran or North Korea... or anyone else...including private citizens from getting it.

You can call it defeatist all you want. Its like complaining that a guy that fell out of an airplane at 70,000 feet without a parachute is a quitter... because he isn't flapping his arms.

He isn't flapping his arms because flapping his arms is stupid.

Iran will get her nukes. It WILL happen. And thus.. all of this bullshit talk... and all of these efforts... are by definition... a waste.

Blogger Nate July 14, 2015 10:54 PM  

"6 years is the blink of an eye. Enabling the inevitable just because it's inevitable is defeatist"

yes yes the blink of an eye.. and yet in that time they've dealt with a regime change and several other crisis... and yet here we are.

And 2 years before they got nukes... you and the other hawks would've bet your lives that the second they got nukes.. they would use them. If I had bet you that 6 years would go by without North Korea using a nuke.. you'd have taken any amount I'd offered.

You people were just as sure about North Korea as you are about Iran.

Well I'll clue you in.. there is only one real reason a nation wants nukes. Because if Saddam had nukes... Saddam would be alive today.

That's why they want nukes.

The US doesn't invade nuclear nations.

They are a defensive weapon... not an offensive weapon.

Anonymous BGS July 14, 2015 10:57 PM  

You cannot keep the genie in the bottle. Just as the US couldn't

If the tech was not sold by the likes of Polard et al, the world would be a lot farther behind on nukes. The genie of how to dig wells never made it to blacks in Africa.

Anonymous kfg July 14, 2015 11:45 PM  

Hey guys, I've got an idea. Why don't we build a Doomsday Device and then not tell anyone?

Anonymous Amok Time July 14, 2015 11:49 PM  

A Battalion of Corporal Klingers!!!!!! Vlad must be so happy!

Anonymous Jack Amok July 14, 2015 11:55 PM  

Some of you joke about how this will weaken the military, and it will, but they will still have tanks, automatic weapons and air power. Today, the military is the ONLY powerful institution in this country that hasn't been taken over by the Democrats. That has been what keeps a Democrat president from just declaring martial law and becoming a dictator.

Chill Doc, chill. Tanks don't drive themselves, they don't repair themselves or refuel themselves. Neither do airplanes. The people Democrats rely on can't do those things competently. None of these freaks and feminists want to be in a situation where someone else might be shooting at them, they assume there will be some straight white guy around for that.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 14, 2015 11:57 PM  

"He isn't flapping his arms because flapping his arms is stupid."

Lol, thanks for the image.

Blogger Groot July 15, 2015 12:38 AM  

@167. Tommy Hass:

and Nate, re: flapping arms. That was funny. I agree with Danby that I find you strangely persuasive today.

@160. Doc Rampage:

Dammit, man, we told you there would be a quiz. Re-read the assignment. They did this tranny thing now, they did the red high heels a bit ago. They're hiring from Ivy League schools. It's over.

They are government-funded. Their pay checks come from government. Their prospects for promotion and their entire career comes from big, federal government. Like the schooling system, unionized government workers, the medical profession, the legal profession, and the underclass, they get stuff from the national government.

Hence their religion: What do you guys think of national government spending? "MOAR!! SJWs FTW!!!"

Blogger Doc Rampage July 15, 2015 1:01 AM  

Point 1: over my lifetime, I'd say about 7 out 10 military or former military people I knew were Republicans or at least anti-Democrats. I spent a lot of that time in Arizona which may distort the sample, but I've heard similar statistics elsewhere. Up to now, the military has been largely unsympathetic to Democrats. It's the real reason that Democrats hate the military. You didn't really think it was because they kill people, did you?

Point 2: the SJW officers don't actually have to do any fighting. There just have to be enough of them to control the command structure and identify any officers who would resist a coup so they can be arrested at the beginning. Then the non-officers are stuck. There will be plenty of people in this group capable of driving tanks and not willing to risk their own freedom and their family's welfare over refusing lawful orders just because they suspect the orders are unconstitutional.

Anonymous hausfrau July 15, 2015 1:18 AM  

"Once they control the military, the Democrats can stop pretending at democracy and go full totalitarian. All of the hunting rifles and handguns in the hands of citizens will be at most a minor annoyance to them"

Is that why we're winning so handily in Iraq and Afghanistan? It's been what, 10-15 years we've been fighting and bombing the same tents and goats? These US soldiers with all their fancy equipment still have families. Mothers, fathers, wives, baby mamas, kids, pets, etc. All of them accessible to guerrilla warfare. Remember the rogue cop in LA? He had the LAPD pissing their pants because he was willing to target their families. Now you might have a point if the federal government invites foreign troops in. That is very possible.

Blogger IM2L844 July 15, 2015 1:28 AM  

And 2 years before they got nukes... you and the other hawks would've bet your lives that the second they got nukes.. they would use them.

Now, you're just being silly. There's nothing hawkish about not aiding and abetting your enemy. This is the problem with idealized libertarianism; it doesn't work unless everybody is on the same page. They're not.

They have openly declared that they want to kill you and your whole family and you want to help them get closer to their goals. Astounding. They will not be impressed with your noble gesture.

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Blogger Tommy Hass July 15, 2015 5:46 AM  

"They have openly declared that they want to kill you and your whole family"

1. Who are "they"?

2. Citation needed.

Seriously, what do you think this place is, PJ Media?

Blogger IM2L844 July 15, 2015 7:12 AM  

1. Who are "they"?

2. Citation needed.

Seriously, what do you think this place is, PJ Media?


What parts of “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” and "Death to America" are you having difficulty understanding?

Anonymous daddynichol July 15, 2015 7:38 AM  

Need to remove post 172.

Anonymous AntiDem July 15, 2015 9:10 AM  

A relevant snippet from an article by Sultan Knish:

"You can't find common ground with the left because it is an activist machine dedicated to destroy common ground, not only with the right, but even with its own allies on the left. Progress turns what was once progressive into what is reactionary. And what was reactionary into what is progressive.

These changes have the mad logic of a byzantine ideology behind them, but to the ordinary person their definition of progress seems entirely random.

A Socialist a century ago considered factories progressive instruments of the future and men in dresses a decadent reactionary behavior. Now factories are reactionary pollution machines of globalization and men in dresses are an oppressed victim group who have transcended biology with the power of their minds."

Blogger Tommy Hass July 15, 2015 3:05 PM  

"What parts of “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” and "Death to America" are you having difficulty understanding?"

Oh no....

Do you honestly think that you can impress me with your cherry picked scripture?

Not only do I have ample experience with MUH ISLAMOFASCIST people cherrypicking verses out of the boo, when the verses right after it out it into proper context, you're also full of shit: according to your logic, any other Muslim country thirnks the same and you should regard them with the same hostility. YOu don't though, so you got no case.

You're a shitty little sophist.

Blogger IM2L844 July 15, 2015 3:58 PM  

There's a difference between repugnance and hostility. Speaking of context, you asked who I meant by "they" when it was perfectly clear, you dishonest little prick. You want to talk about context? Tell me, does Islam consider Christians who believe in a Triune God to be polytheists (Az-Zalimun)?

Blogger Tom Kratman July 15, 2015 6:59 PM  

"As for the main topic, if I remember my history correctly, reactionaries weren't too happy when the military took on the ""social experiment" of racial integration, but that made our military stronger, more capable, allowed leaders like Colin Powell to rise, and served as a model for the nation."

Sadly, Joad, you remember your propaganda well enough, but you would have to have learned history to remember it.

That's the Pravda but it's mostly nonsense. Though there were some sound reasons - militarily sound reasons - for it, for those reasons to stand up, integration would have to have been done rather better. In fact, as it was done, integration led to a lot of racial tension - read: outright fucking hatred - within the armed forces, which went a long way toward not winning one war, Korea, and losing another, Vietnam. (As suggested, it didn't have to be as damaging as it was, but when you let the left indulge their fantasies you have to expect disaster.) So if losing or not winning wars we should have won is your idea of "stronger, more capable..." well, you're an idiot. Please don't summon up the ghost of Saddam Hussein as evidence of your proposition; if you can't beat an Arab army in heads-up combat, you suck big moose cock. Same, same Grenada, Panama (where at least the enemy fought well, given their disadvantages), and Serbia, which only went to prove we were pussies. As for model for the nation, isn't there some requirement for _success_ in a model for it to be a model? If so, and given the left's ceaseless litany that we're just so doubleplusungoodbadthinkingevilwickedbadnaughtybadbadbad racists, as bad as ever, I'm not sure how you get to "model."

In fact, however, racial integration in the Army has only worked reasonably well within the combat arms, and that only after decades of distracting effort. The rest will work together, more or less, but usually won't socialize together. and are generally much less disciplined than required under the twin impacts of race and gender, where the latter means "blow jobs for good NCOERS" (yes, that's a quote) and setting up the boss for a sexual harrassment charge, which is a frequent fact.

Now, being a lefty idjit, you are probably going to ask what dif or claim that working together is enough. It isn't. They rarely become true comrades, and because of that we lose the capability of using them for combat as required.

As for Colin, I've met him a few times and find him to be a good, solid officer. He is not, however, remarkable in this. The price of getting him to the position he rose to, moreover, was a quota system - oh, _yes_ it is, so please spare us your ignorance of the military promotion board system - that, on the whole, has been severely damaging.

In short, Joad, you're utterly full of shit.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 15, 2015 7:03 PM  

Addendum; the combat arms are overwhelmingly white. Blacks who are there a) really want to be there and b) tend to be culturally Euro, anyway, which makes it all much easier. That, however, is as much a model of solically engineered integration as academia and Hollywood, which is to say, not much.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 15, 2015 7:05 PM  

And I wouldn't worry too much about Jade Helm; it's nothing all that special or unique.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 15, 2015 7:09 PM  

Doc:

1. Closer to 9 out of 10 or even 19 out of 20.
2. The officer corps is so preposterously large that getting control of it to control the rest of the army is tougher than that. And the tooth portion is much harder to control, much more anti-liberal, and tends to detest generals as much as I do.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 15, 2015 7:13 PM  

"You can call it defeatist all you want. Its like complaining that a guy that fell out of an airplane at 70,000 feet without a parachute is a quitter... because he isn't flapping his arms.

He isn't flapping his arms because flapping his arms is stupid."

LOL...really.....thanks for the laugh Nate......

Blogger Tom Kratman July 15, 2015 7:16 PM  

Admittedly, Tommy, Sura 9 seems a little confusing and muddled, but it's not clear that he took it all that much out of context.

Blogger Mark J July 15, 2015 8:44 PM  

Please don't tell me you're a Jade Helm Truther?

My cousin worked for a construction company that had a contract at Camp Ripley in central Minnesota, building a "town" for training purposes. In recounting the experience to me he remarked that this "town" included a couple of churches. Not mosques, mind you, but churches. Now why would that be, I wonder?

Blogger Tom Kratman July 15, 2015 8:56 PM  

How about because there are churches all over Europe, and a fair number even in much of the Islamic world (outside KSA), and we still have to plan on fighting there? How about because there are churches all over Latin America and Africa, too, and we still have to plan on fighting in those places? How about because someday we may have to fight for America, as well, and there will be churches in our cities and towns then? How about because history didn't begin with Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, and will still be unrolling after we've lost interest in the middle east? How about because the PC clowns and lunatics to whom we've turned over the keys to the asylum would be deeply aggrieved if we insult our brown and Islamic - ahem - brethren with having them hide arms in mosques but will ignore it if we use churches (which, incidentally, get the same restrictions and protections as mosques, so are equivalent for military planning purposes)?

Does that help settle some of your wondering?

Blogger Mark J July 15, 2015 9:09 PM  

Col. Kratman, these are certainly things I had not considered. And consider them I will. Thank you for your response.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 15, 2015 10:45 PM  

Mark, our government isn't competent enough to conspire at the levels the various conspiracy theories would seem to require. These people are by and large idiots. So when someone tells you of some great nefarious plot, with DC at the center of it, contemplate the frequency with which they do _anything_ right, and calc the odds of this being one of those times. Then, of by some wild chance they still look guilty of anything but stupidity, see if there are simpler, Occam's razor type, explanations.

Blogger Doc Rampage July 16, 2015 12:12 AM  

Tom Kratman, the problem isn't the next five years or so; it's the next 20, when the military becomes harder and harder for conservatives to live with. They'll force people to repeat ridiculous SJW lies and if they refuse, they just won't get promoted (I'll bet it's already hard to get promoted if you aren't willing to enthusiastically agree that women or gays belong in the military). This makes fewer conservatives join up and those that do won't stay as long.

I have personal experience with this effect because I wanted very much to be in academic research but I saw that I couldn't possibly be true to my beliefs and be successful in that field so I went into industry. I'm convinced that's how they took over academia. It wasn't that no conservatives wanted to be a professor, it was that they made it so painful to be a conservative in that job that most of us just refused to put up with it.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 16, 2015 12:43 AM  

Possibly, but one notes a certain amount of counterpurging when the repubs take power, too, which will tend to limit the effect. (buh-bye, Wes Clark)

A lot of clever thought and clever aftermarket thought went into the set up, actually, Doc. Contemplate, for example, West Point, the alumni of which have a very large influence over the Army (the only service actually capable of launching a coup without the agreement of the others; no the Marine Corps can't), and who are comparatively difficult to bring to heel because they are, as a group, skilled bureaucratic infighters and not especially principled when it comes to looking out for their "community." Woops, itself, is fractured pretty much by design, because of the nominating process.

Also, we have enemies around the world who conveniently attack or otherwise annoy us often enough that we go to war frequently. Modern US lefties - lacking the staying power and guts of genuine bolsheviks, tend to stay away from the military in war, in vast and overwhelming numbers. This tends to keep the jacksonians' hands at the tillers.

Finally, I wouldn't lay long odds on the country surviving intact for 20 years - rather, I expect it to become 1980s Beirut, writ large - so this may be the least of our problems.

Blogger racketmensch July 16, 2015 12:54 AM  

One of my dad's friends Col. Rochelle, wrote a book "With a Black Infantry Platoon in Korea". He had been a Lt., the officers were white, and he remained convinced they were great soldiers, and their reputation for " bugging out" was undeserved because they didn't get good enough support. Maybe so, but the only part I still remember from the book was taking a M2 and tripod up a hill, but leaving the ammo cans because they were too heavy.
I had a long conversation, circa 1975, with him about why we hadn't won a war since ww2, and he strongly disagreed with my racially-based theory, but didn't dissuade me, and he didn't appreciate my jokes about "a band of brothas". Nobody should die for Stupid, and its all stupid, all the time, and getting worse by the minute, IMO.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 16, 2015 1:14 AM  

Something of a difference between a conscript army and willing pros, racket. You can do more with professionals, even to some extent integrate them successfully, than you can with a whole bunch of people who really don't want to be there in the first place.

It sounds like Rishell (not Rochelle, according to amazon) was in one of the units that were still entirely black enlisted and Non-Com, with a mixed officer corps, which units were often pretty good. (Yep, further delving says "24th Infantry Regiment." ) Where we ran into problems was with officering those units. Any group can produce good NCOs. They don't always but they _can_. Officers are a tougher proposition.

White officers rarely had the knack for it. Enough could be found for the four regular regiments, pre-integration, but when expanded for an existential war there just weren't enough. Black officers might be perfectly competent, but the UCMJ only carries you so far when the troops deeply resent you and see no reason why you, being black, should be in charge of other blacks. We tend to gloss over that problem, today, if we're even aware of it, but, if you watch the movie, Glory, the reaction of the red-trousered South Carolina rabble to the 54th, as they march away from the burning Darien, Georgia, was pretty typical in real life up through and past WW II. Since they were 10% of the country, and since we were expecting an existential war with the USSR and PRC, plus our lackeys and theirs, that was too great a manpower pool to ignore or misutilize. This is why the Army signed on for integration, not any premature sense of political correctness. Truman, on the other hand, probably thought it would be a lot easier to do than it was, and also probably thought it was the right thing to do.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 16, 2015 1:27 AM  

Addendum, the 24th Infantry Regiment also had some amazingly shitty senior white leadership, and wasn't any worse, really, than the rest of the rabble we committed early to Korea.

Blogger dfordoom July 16, 2015 2:23 AM  

So you're going to have a military largely composed of people who hate America and hate the American people. A military that wouldn't hesitate to turn its guns on the American people. From the point of view of the US government that's a feature not a bug.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 16, 2015 2:33 AM  

It's not clear who you're talking to, DFD.

Blogger racketmensch July 16, 2015 9:06 AM  

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Blogger Tom Kratman July 16, 2015 10:14 AM  

Racket, you double posted something I'd already addressed.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 16, 2015 12:04 PM  

Kratman, thanks for the posts. Lots of good points.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 16, 2015 12:58 PM  

No sweat.

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