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Friday, July 10, 2015

Guess what? You're fired

In which a reader reacts to bad news:

Today, tomorrow, next year. No matter when it happens, if it ever happens, hearing these words will inspire many things in men across the socio-sexual spectrum.

I know, because I got to hear them recently. And it sucks.

Suddenly your world is upside down, and for many of us, all that confidence you worked so hard to build feels as if it will evaporate before your eyes. Now what?

At the very least, it can happen to any of us, and even Vox has had the rug pulled out from under him during projects. I suspect even the highest-ranked men take a blow when this happens. So instead of bitching and crying about my situation, I'm sharing my general observations and what I'm doing. Take it for what you will, and I hope it helps if you ever find yourself in the same place.

Walking Away


From the moment I heard the words, the first thing I knew I had to realize was that the decision has been made. No amount of excusing or emotional-pleading would change anything (I'm looking at you gammas). It was beyond my control; their house, their rules. I decided to skip wasting any more time with people who weren't furthering my goals.

Now, you may feel angry or sad or embarrassed or humiliated as you clean out your desk, and it's fine to privately acknowledge those initial feelings (you'd be surprised how even a fairly confident man will feel them, I know I did). But it's important to accept where you're at now, so you can get back up on your feet.

You'll be glad you walked away with your head up.

Don't Panic

Let's stop here for a moment. I cannot stress this one enough. Over the years I've seen several other friends get fired, and watching them panic is not only pathetic to see, it will definitely make the situation worse. If you have a woman and you're panicking, she'll panic x 100. Your house will be in disarray, energy will be spent dealing with that situation on top of everything else, and you will not be able to make the necessary decisions you're about to need to make with a clear head. (Yes, there are decisions coming).

Instead of freaking out, I relaxed. Yeah, you heard that right. Relaxed. I recommend going for a long drive, going fishing or hiking, going to the track or to the gym. Not an all day affair, but wherever it is that you can be completely relaxed , enjoying what you're doing for a bit (I recommend skipping your favorite bar though). For me, it was a long, long run at my favorite spot.

Now, I assessed the situation. Not who may have sold me out or how stupid I thought my boss was, but real assessment where you identify where you went wrong and what you may have done differently. By identifying what I could fix, if anything, I was gaining control over what was actually in my control.

Now I could move forward and move on with confidence. Time to rise up from this low point.

Initiate All Backup Plans Now

You do have backup plans, right? I cannot recommend enough that every many have a solid set of backups plans. If you don't have any currently, you can start small by building up a little savings or by having a normal side-gig that brings in cash flow. Literally anything is better than nothing.

For me, it means shifting my energy toward other revenue-generating projects, falling back on my meager 1st-level emergency fund, and casually increasing the level of networking I do. Also, and here's where the decision-making starts to come in, jettisoning unneeded luxuries. This isn't to say that I'm some guy that's always blowing through his money, but it's time to figure out if there's any additional fat you can trim from your budget. Downgrading cell services, assessing if you can learn to fix the wife's car yourself, holding off a little longer on whatever you think you need to buy. Whatever it is, there's always fat to trim, and you very well may need that extra $50 or $100 a month down the road. If you get fired, you're going to be faced with a lot of these types of decisions in short order; best to get used to them fast.

Main point: don't wait to deploy your multi-pronged set of back up plans. More initiatives today means more chance of success tomorrow.

Now that You're Back Up, Hit it With Everything You Have

It might seem counter-intuitive to some men, but you're not "fired" for all time or until you find another job. In fact, I'm already back on my feet. My situation is less than ideal, but I'm the man sitting at the table playing the hand I was dealt, and I damn well intend to play.

So what they tell you about making sure to keep your routine if you're fired-- it's bullshit. For many men, routine means waking up at 8am, doing some stuff until 5pm, relaxing until 10pm, and then falling asleep. I'm going to tell you something far different: even if you feel like you don't want to do anything, it's actually the time to be doing as much as you can. If you wake up at 8am normally, start waking up at 6am. Fall asleep at your desk, every day. Yes, hit back at all hours until you're literally falling asleep from exhaustion.

And it shouldn't just be applying for jobs, though I can't say enough that in this situation, you should be applying to 100s not merely a few due to fear of rejection. Hit the weights, run, read books, start new projects... write blog posts. Maximize your opportunities, and push forward with everything you have.

A Few Final Considerations

If you're a regular guy, feelings like depression will pop up, at least the hints of them. I know I've had them. Like before, I recommend acknowledging them, and then refocusing. Do not dwell on them. They will do nothing to improve your situation.

On that note, I recommend drinking no more than one day a week, no matter your past habits. One day lets you blow of steam, but the last thing you want is to fall into a non-stop drink-a-thon. And for the gammas, no matter what you feel compelled to say: you are not on some fun vacation; this is not your wife's gift to you this year, and you are not a stay-at-home dad with a wife that loves her career.

Lastly, understand that you must learn to STFU. I was lucky to know that no one cares why you were fired. Not your wife, not your buddies, not even your mom. Even close friends will likely give you funny looks if you tell them. I recommend not shying away from telling the truth if it comes up, but there's no reason to broadcast it, and most importantly, really and truly, no one gives a damn about the details. Trying to socially peg down your old boss, as if anyone cared, reeks of desperation, and you... you're a man with options.

Now, let's get to it.

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Anonymous fish July 10, 2015 3:12 PM  

Lastly, understand that you must learn to STFU.

I don't think that this can be emphasized enough.....I couldn't seem to shut up about how "my wife wronged me" after my divorce. Losing a job is similar in that nobody cares as much about it as you do!

In retrospect I wish one of my buddies had popped me in the mouth and told me to shut up. I certainly deserved it

Anonymous Kreator July 10, 2015 3:17 PM  

Wish you best of luck in the future, Vox. I know you know and can do better.

Blogger CM July 10, 2015 3:21 PM  

Having a back up plan is the #1 way not to panic.

We review ours every 6 months.

Trying to socially peg down your old boss, as if anyone cared, reeks of desperation
I do have to admit, hearing about the dead ends my higher ups have come to after my failed attempt to return brings me not a small amount of satisfaction.

Totally unchristian of me.

Blogger Danby July 10, 2015 3:25 PM  

Bit early for advice to Gallo and Neilsen Hayden, isn't it?

Having been laid off a dozen times and fired a few more, this is excellent advice, particularly the "figure out what really happened and where you screwed up" and STFU parts. Sometimes it's really nothing you could have fixed, but at the least you should have recognized and and moved on before it got to that point.

No one cares, even if they ask, they don't actually care about the details. It's (hopefully) you they care about.

Anonymous #343 July 10, 2015 3:30 PM  

I know what you mean, CM. I had a completely despicable boss try to soft-sack me with a humiliating demotion. I said thanks, but no thanks. Got the hell out of there.

And gentlemen, it DOES get better. As a direct result of leaving, I was able to go to a career fair I otherwise couldn't have attended. Ended up getting a pretty good gig as a coder at a place that went bottoms up, but managed to get a recruiter to assist me in getting another, YET BETTER job at this place I've been wanting to work since I worked under that aforementioned despicable boss.

My new job pays very nicely, and it's very secure. In short, people, it's not over until it's over and you're dead. As long as you draw breath, you have chances at a life.

And plus, it's satisfying as hell when you end up in a place where you're making significantly more than your old douchebag boss.

Blogger Student in Blue July 10, 2015 3:30 PM  

@Kreator

Vox was not the one fired, it was the reader who typed up the mail and sent it to Vox who was fired.

Anonymous Chris Ritchie - 0388 July 10, 2015 3:30 PM  

Been there and done that more than once myself. We always have options. The best advice there in my opinion is to relax and clear your mind. Decide what you're going to do. Once the mini-vacation is over...Hit IT! Be exhausted at the end of the day. Being laid off is not the time for balance. You're out of balance if you need the next job. And never give up!

Anonymous BGS July 10, 2015 3:31 PM  

Bit early for advice to Gallo and Neilsen Hayden, isn't it?

They should save up a 6month emergency expense fund.

Hey Nate did you see this black person wearing a confederate flag? http://i.imgur.com/BkjUvyi.jpg

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 3:38 PM  

I was laid off once and during my "laying off" the owner of the company said "you own guns, you aren't going to do anything stupid are you".

I said no, and thank you for all you have done for my family. Why would I be mad? I think it is a big mistake but I respect you and your company and appreciate all you have done for me."

He went on to hire me back on a contract basis from time to time and paid me 25% more than when I worked for him.

It was very, very hard though. I got caught with two house payments, car payments, and had just bought a small ranch. I laid in bed every night sleepless for a month saying "please God help me" while daily taking any and every job I could get to make money. I had never lived by my own hand. I always had the comfort of a large entity and a steady check.

I eventually got called on a job and hired for a job I never applied for and made 20% more than I did at the other place.

The best thing about it all was I leaned on God and my relationship grew immensely. I had never known uncertainty and it rocked me to my core. I had only known perfect stability (relative) until that time. I was weak and scared, only because of my small children. I had to man up. It changed who I am.

God is good!

Anonymous Takin' a look July 10, 2015 3:39 PM  

Best of luck.

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 July 10, 2015 3:41 PM  

This is good advice.
The most crucial thing is to keep productivity up -- this will help keep you focused and stave off any urge to panic, complain, or bitterly dwell on things.
Who bitches about things?
Bitches.
Don't be one.
Also, the poster has a good point -- don't approximate your old routine. Change it up. Wake up with the sun, get your exercise in, do projects both physical and mental, go to bed exhausted each and every day. Block out a couple of hours a day to look for and apply for jobs. Create an emergency plan in case your backup plan(s) fail.
This focus can only help you if and when you begin interviewing for jobs, because who wants to hire an emotional wreck carrying PTSD baggage from his last job?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 3:41 PM  

And if you are whining about it to your buddies, your wife, your girlfriend, or whoever... you need to shut your mouth and be a man.

I never did whine. I just cried out to God in the middle of another sleepless night. Eventually I learned not to beg but to have faith and believe and put it all in God's hands.

I am currently in the collapse of the oil boom in Texas and it is going to destroy a million people. It is sad to watch.

At least now I have a much stronger faith and know that God will never leave me nor forsake me. He sticks closer than a brother.

He makes a way where there is no way!

Blogger Rabbi B July 10, 2015 3:42 PM  

"Bit early for advice to Gallo and Neilsen Hayden, isn't it?"

A lot of great minds here . . .this was my first thought when I saw the OP. You beat me to it. Kudos.

Anonymous Wojciech Majda July 10, 2015 3:42 PM  

@Kreator
I don't think anyone can "fire" Vox...

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 10, 2015 3:55 PM  

Cosign this, especially the part about amping up physical workout. Paying for lawn care? Cut that expense, and do the work in a physical way. Feeling too down to hit the gym? Nuts, drop and do 20 pushups right now, then get to the weights. Block out half an hour or more to read something either useful or uplifting. Useful that you do not know - if you're a coder, read about plumbing for example.

Having contingency plans in advance and updating them is not easy to do but it's good practice. Heck, having a couple of months of food stashed is a good practice.


I am currently in the collapse of the oil boom in Texas and it is going to destroy a million people. It is sad to watch.


The collapse of yet another oil boom. Some relations of mine rode out the 1980's version. Always interesting to see what a Rolex costs at the jewelry store at the top vs. later on when more and more come on the market.


Oh, and one more thing: absolutely cosign on "shut up". Doesn't matter who was a rat, who was a weasel, etc. By shutting up a man shows that he's better than the rats, weasels, etc. and down the road that makes him more likely to get another chance. Whining does exactly the opposite. That cannot be stressed enough.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 4:00 PM  

Not all of those who will lose during the collapse of oil in Texas have Rolexes. Many are family's who were working 75 hours a week, put all they had in the business, ran an honest operation and are now facing devastation.

It is true 9 months ago you could be in a small South Texas town and see Ferrari's and Lambourghini's. Those were usually the huge land owners who already had money but now had receipts of $100K a month (or more) from oil revenues.

Lots of jets too... and Dallas Cowboy Sky boxes.

But mostly hard working people who were doing it honestly, and were once again destroyed by the elites... on purpose.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 4:05 PM  

The other's in Texas who still have their Lambourghini's are the Farmers who get big fat subsidy checks from the government.

These farmers, when young, tend to really like their cocaine. That is enough to get the young girls. As they age, they tend to throw in the Lambo... in combo with the cocaine they can still do pretty good at Hooter's, even if they are getting old and ugly.

It is all about perception and potential.

Blogger Robert What? July 10, 2015 4:07 PM  

I've been self employed for at least 20 years, which has its own set of problems and is not for everyone. My biggest problem is my idiot boss.

Blogger CarpeOro July 10, 2015 4:09 PM  

All very pertinent advice. I was fired as on company was spiraling down into bankruptcy. I had bough my first house a bit over a year before, and just replaced the a/c. I ended up being out of a permanent job for nearly a year. I fell back on doing some handyman type work with a friend and did a month at the end of the stretch doing a temp contract in a desktop support type roll.

Besides the little amount of money I had coming in on from the side work, my sister picked up the bulk of the mortgage (she and my niece had moved in while I was still working). I also cashed out (with the heavy penalties) my IRA from my job - since much of it had been in company stock, being forced to do so saved me several thousand that would have been lost when they did go bankrupt. As much as it galled me, I also put in for unemployment after a few months (pride and disdain for the system were over ruled by need - that chunk of money they take from you paycheck for it will likely never get payed back to you if your truly productive so take what you can back). I also did many interviews in person and by phone. It was a very hard depressing stretch but I got a contract position in another state making 30% more than when I got fired, starting work in an area that at times has payed me more than double that positions wage. Like the writer says - stick to it. Those who persevere and strive will come out at the other side.

Anonymous Beau July 10, 2015 4:09 PM  

Fired. Two men reached out to me, an elderly Presbyterian pastor an a beloved respected retired uncle. The pastor arranged a scholarship for my wife and I to attend a marriage retreat. It was a boon. My uncle asked, "Boy, how are you?" I told him how I felt, and that I was down to my last $1.97. He listened, then related his experience being hired by an engineering firm in Florida. Upon arrival he found out the company had just gone belly up. My uncle's kindness revealed to me even good men lose their jobs - and survive the turbulent difficulties. His encouragement was more valuable than cash.

Blogger Quadko July 10, 2015 4:14 PM  

In 2000ish I had a small company close on me and they did a stand-up job, letting us know a few weeks beforehand and giving us a reasonable but small severance package.

That night I calmly sat down with my wife and told her we had new and potentially exciting opportunities coming because the company was closing and we had a little time and margin to plan for what was next. She still tells others about that being one of the best life changes she's ever lived through and the best way she's seen such a crisis handled, and recommends they do similarly.

Basically I gave her the confidence, plan and framing for it not to yank the rug out from under her or make her have to support me in some emotional crisis of self doubt - I was calm, there was a plan, and she could lean on me whatever she felt about the crisis. It's not that I didn't feel all that, but action reduces the useless doubt and helplessness. It's doubly amazing that she still views the situation that way since it ended up in 9 months of unemployment and super tight budgets there at the end of the tech bubble pop before I got hired again.

That's the rule: the man is the rock, the woman is the wave. If you can't trust the future to God, at least be stoic and believe that where there is life there is hope. Panic helps nothing, confidence and action help everything.

Blogger rycamor July 10, 2015 4:16 PM  

Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 3:38 PM

I was laid off once and during my "laying off" the owner of the company said "you own guns, you aren't going to do anything stupid are you".

I said no, and thank you for all you have done for my family. Why would I be mad? I think it is a big mistake but I respect you and your company and appreciate all you have done for me."

He went on to hire me back on a contract basis from time to time and paid me 25% more than when I worked for him.


In which Tiny Tim proves he is capable of wisdom. Kudos. That is exactly how it is done. Your boss owes you nothing more than your last paycheck. He doesn't even owe you an explanation for the firing. A job is nothing but a weekly agreement of work for hire. There is literally no call to get angry over a firing unless there is an honest-to-goodness false accusation. And if that is the case, you do NOT want to stay in that job anyway.

And If you can handle a firing or a laying off with sufficient self-control, it WILL help you further down the road.

Anonymous Jourdan July 10, 2015 4:19 PM  

This is a fine analysis, from and for young men,

For men 45 or older, the situation is vastly different and requires quite a different approach.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 10, 2015 4:24 PM  

I got fired once, one year to the day after I was hired. I had bought a car two weeks previous. Didn't have any savings either. I did have the option of living with my parents so I wasn't scared of being homeless. But still, high pucker factor.

I almost immediately got a job through a classified ad in the paper making more money than I had ever made in my life. And that job led to the job I have now, making even more money.

God has been very very good to me.

Blogger Doom July 10, 2015 4:30 PM  

Oh? Is what you are really doing not about offering a guy or two a bit of advice, but telling the legions what is coming? Too bad, or whatever. I wish it would mean something, or lead men to think about things. How many will just try to go back right were they were, which is a few paydays, give or take a few months or years, before... Who fires the Trumps? Or do they just walk out, turn off the lights before locking up, and toss the banker the keys?

Blogger The Pathetic Earthling July 10, 2015 4:36 PM  

I've gotten sacked twice -- once when I didn't deserve it, once when I didn't -- but I think it's pretty rare when you have *no* warning. So when I did get fired a second time, and my two bosses came in to tell me this, I had a brief little retort ready to go.

These guys said, "Okay, so-n-so, we're going to let you go, but we wanted to tell you a few of the reasons wh---"

"[Boss 1], [Boss 2], you are welcome to fire me for any reason, or no reason at all. Happy to hear any severance you have in mind, but I will not sit and listen to an indictment."

Long. Long. Long. Silence. They wanted to unload their own mixed feelings about hte situation and I refused to hear it. It was going to do me no good at all.

"Oh, okay. We're going to let you keep your office for three months, your health care for six. If you can finish up your current projects and transfer files, we'd appreciate it."

End of conversation.

Remarkably satisfying, really. And I was quickly on to much, much better things.

Anonymous Orville July 10, 2015 4:37 PM  

This is a fine analysis, from and for young men, For men 45 or older, the situation is vastly different and requires quite a different approach.

Why? I'm 58 and have known for over a year that I might be out of work in December if our contract doesn't get renewed. I think those tips are spot on.

Anonymous Gary July 10, 2015 4:38 PM  

I always have a plan- The resume is always kept up to date and I have enough savings.. well lets just say I would not be concerned for a few years. Overhead is kept low and I carry no debt. If I want something bad enough I save up for it or do some wheeling and dealing to lay hands on it. My range of skills is vast enough that finding a job is of little concern and if need be I'd have no problem flipping burgers.

I'd be running the place inside 6 months.

Anonymous Steve July 10, 2015 4:39 PM  

Good advice.

Re: applying for jobs. Of course you should, but also talk to your friends, relatives, neighbours, old colleagues - anybody you can have a friendly conversation with - and ask them to let you know if they come across any job opportunities that might suit you.

Don't rely on job adverts or recruitment firms - that's like cold calling, where you might close a deal on the first or the five hundredth call. Your odds are much better when you can get a personal recommendation of some sort.

Lots of men feel angry and ashamed about losing their jobs, and too proud to ask people they know for help. Don't be. You're not looking for a shoulder to cry on or someone to borrow money from, just job leads.

Most people will be happy to help you. Most people are good people, and like helping people they know. By all means, let them. You might do the same for them one day.

Anonymous Orville July 10, 2015 4:42 PM  

And contract work if that works in your field of work. I've already tested the market and was already offered upwards of $46/hr, though no benefits for lots of short contracts, though I'd prefer a permanent slot.

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Anonymous Giuseppe July 10, 2015 4:44 PM  

Hahahhaha, serendipitous.
As it happens I was fired last Friday. I already have a new job and I can't say I experienced even mild surprise, though I do admit it was not expected. I had misread the politics.
And yet, as I realised where the conversation was going and why, I relaxed and made a point to ensure I laid the groundwork for their minutes of that meeting. Predictably they outright lied in the minutes of the final meeting, which was foolish because it's demonstrable, and have now given me enough ammo I am looking at if it will be advantageous to take them to court.
I probably will not, but it's not an emotional decision at all, purely a pragmatic one. I have been fired before and sued, and won, and that was strategic too, not for the money (whichvivgot anyway) but for clearing my name from the illegalities that were going on in that firm. I basically forced rhe firing in that one.
In this one I did not and it was unexpected, but can't say I panicked or even cared. In truth I was immediately aware that this was a sign, and a good one. And it is. The new job pays more. And I am also back to being freelance, which I prefer.
Beung fired can be a good thing. Great even.
Besides, it's not like there's that frisson you get when bullets fly past your ear from being fired.
Being fired AT, now there's an adrenaline rush!

Blogger Danby July 10, 2015 4:47 PM  

The key thing about STFU is not that you don't want ot bore or annoy your friends and relations (although you really don't) It's that talking about the details will change your attitude and tend to drive you into a paralytic state."What could I have done differently" is almost as counter-productive as "My old boss is such a dick." Either way you're looking at the past and trying to relive it so it comes out better for you.

You get one occasion, maybe 2 or 3 days, at most, to figure out where you went wrong.

Talking about the details keeps you focused on the past, when you need to focus on the now, executing the plan.
OODA
Observe: what opportunities are available right now, what resources are at hand, what cuts can I make?
Orient: which direction are you going? Job or new business? Contract or permanent? new employer or new industry or new field?
Decide: Get your objectives lined up. Identify targets, either employers or customers. Decide the approach.
Act: execute, execute, execute. Fear of rejection was always my big obstacle. But feelings are irrelevant. Follow your decisions with actions. You're smart, make it work.

Anonymous Phil Mann July 10, 2015 4:51 PM  

My biggest problem is my idiot boss.

Heh, heh.

After setting up my own shop a dozen or so years ago, the only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.

While it is not for everyone, being your own boss is well worth the risk and trouble. The main downside is that you can't complain about the idiots in management anymore.

And by the way, countless success stories begin with, "The best thing that ever happened to me was getting fired."

Blogger Danby July 10, 2015 4:54 PM  

This is a fine analysis, from and for young men, For men 45 or older, the situation is vastly different and requires quite a different approach.

Oh, do tell Jourdan, how is it so different, and what the correct approach is? I ask because I got laid off 3 years ago, at an age of well over 50, and I did not see any substantial differences this time over when it happened when I was 25, except, I'm much better and handling it now.

Anonymous Giuseppe July 10, 2015 4:59 PM  

Jourdan,
Unless you mean 45 y.o. And over should be utterly blasé about being fired, thanks to their greater experience in handling diversity, I again, note your pussification continues. I'm 45. And I piss with unconcern on being fired, as I did exactly a week ago.

Anonymous Rick Johnsmeyer July 10, 2015 5:00 PM  

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the eventual goal of ruining/bringing down/exacting "payback" from a malignant boss or co-worker who had a role in an UNJUST firing. It's really the only way they'll ever learn to modify their behaviors, if they are capable of learning at all.

There are often many avenues to get back at or undermine such individuals even from a position outside of their place of employment, and if such avenues can be taken at a reasonable cost to yourself, it can be quite satisfying to do so.

The trouble generally comes from people whose psychology deals poorly with self-limitation, so that such quests for payback become irrational/costly/counterproductive.

But if you can take your former superiors down a few pegs with relative ease, I would certainly go ahead and do that, provided that it won't likely have a material impact upon your own future employment possibilities. Even psuedo-anonymity can help a lot here, since it establishes a level of deniability later on.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 10, 2015 5:08 PM  

The second company I worked for was losing money and so I was let go. I already was looking to leave (I had started some minor job hunting that week), so this just accelerated that process. Within a day I had a new job offer.

This job lasted a year and they let me go. So I found contract work with a promise of full-time work. The contract lasted 1 month less than initially agreed and so I had to find another job. I found another one within about a week.

In the later two cases, my bosses gave me a heads up about the situation so I was able start job hunting while I was still working.

My current job is fairly ideal. I live in No. VA but my commute is 10 minutes as I live very close to where I work. This was not intentional on my part, I just found this job. So when they offered a little less than what I had been making, I accepted because the commute was worth it (no hauling myself into downtown DC).

If you are a software developer of any kind, you will be in high demand in the USA right now. Take advantage of this while you can as I doubt it will last more than a decade or so.

Another thing to do is to have a huge set of living expenses saved up. I have about six months worth myself, but I do hope to have 2 years (a solid FU fund) eventually. With this set up, you won't have a fear of getting fired or being stuck in a job you hate because you are living paycheck to paycheck.

Blogger Guitar Man July 10, 2015 5:12 PM  

Good advice. I'm working on plan b, and saving up emergency funds, but your reaction to your former company was right on.

Anonymous Grant July 10, 2015 5:18 PM  

www.jamesaltucher.com/2011/03/10-things-you-need-to-do-if-you-were-fired-yesterday

Anonymous Stingray July 10, 2015 5:19 PM  

One small tip for the preparedness, if you have the space, buy an extra freezer and fill it. Buy half a cow and/or pig. Stock it when meat goes on sale and fill it as much as you can. Stock up on frozen vegetables and nonperishables. Have your wife learn to bake bread instead of buying it. These will cut your grocery bill in a huge way when you need to cut costs.

Blogger Danby July 10, 2015 5:29 PM  

It's really the only way they'll ever learn to modify their behaviors, if they are capable of learning at all.

Why would I care enough about them to help them modify their behaviors?

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2015 5:36 PM  

It is clear that if one is fired form every job, then one has performance deficiencies which must be rectified; but if one is NEVER fired, then methinks perhaps one is not pushing the envelope hard enough......!

Anonymous BGS July 10, 2015 5:57 PM  

"And If you can handle a firing or a laying off with sufficient self-control"

Or at least the self control to not tell anyone it was you that went to the inspector general and explained how they committed health care fraud, & how to find it by comparing different records. I didn't tell anyone not related by blood for over 5 years.

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Blogger Chiva July 10, 2015 6:10 PM  

Been let go a few times.

First layoff: Oh my God! Then ran around with my hair on fire.
Second layoff: Dammit. Then ran around without a clue.
Third layoff: This sucks. Ran to the recruiter.
Fourth layoff: Again? Walked to the recruiter.
Fifth layoff: See ya later. Called friends in my network.

Remember to network, network, network.

Anonymous Ron July 10, 2015 6:13 PM  

My favorite personal experience of being laid off was when I had a new boss that hated me. He was my new boss and a first-time manager.

I was called down and he walked through the whole procedure. After everything was signed by both sides and the check was in my hand, he looked at me with a capricious grin and asked, "How does that make you feel?"

I was able to look at him and truthfully say, "Well ####, thanks. I was going to hand in my notice next week." They had just given me the severance due a 10+ year employee. Thank you Lord.

I was escorted out and went home. My wife asked, "What are you doing home so early?"

"I was laid off today."

"Well, good! You hated that job."

Great woman and wonderful blessings from God. Instead of walking away from my job to find another, I was let go with several months of income, I got to stick it to my hateful, small-minded boss and take some much needed us-time with my wife.

Anonymous FisherOfMen July 10, 2015 6:20 PM  

Was this posting some sort of premonition post on the Ellen Pao news!?!?!?!!

Blogger bob k. mando July 10, 2015 6:24 PM  

Guess what? Ellen Pao is fired!

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chairman_Pao

http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/07/breaking-ellen-pao-steps-down-from-job-as-reddit-ceo/?comments=1

Anonymous Freestater July 10, 2015 6:26 PM  

32 Years old and have yet to be fired from a job.I know some day that will likely change as I become old and stubborn and lazy, but so far my employers have loved me.


Feelsgoodman

Anonymous Freestater July 10, 2015 6:32 PM  

Pao gone! WOW this thread was a prophecy!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 10, 2015 6:37 PM  

Tiny Tim
Not all of those who will lose during the collapse of oil in Texas have Rolexes. Many are family's who were working 75 hours a week, put all they had in the business, ran an honest operation and are now facing devastation.

With all respect, sympathy and even pity to those people, oil is a cyclical commodity. Booms may last for years, or may vanish in months, like a gold rush, and the only way to keep ahead is to be ready to move at a moments notice. Rent or lease everything, including the bed you sleep on, and be ready to pull up stakes over a weekend.

I know people who went through the 80's boom and for years they never kept more than $10K in a single bank account, because of the problems they went through. It's heady stuff, but the party always ends.

Blogger rumpole5 July 10, 2015 6:41 PM  

I and 2 other higher paid long term prosecutors were let go in the 2008 economic meltdown ( Fla. is a balanced budget state). I not only didn't make a fuss, I even came back in to finish up some legal briefs as a volunteer on a few of the cases that only I knew about. A few years later I ran into an old associate who requested that I return because no one really knew my specialty. l did, and was there to see my old boss and his chief assistant, who made the firing decision, virtually escorted out after an election loss. I left on my own terms a few months later. All the advice given by the writer was excellent. Always try to take the high road. That course yields the best chances of a good outcome in the end. The years just after I was fired were some of the best of my life. I have no regrets.

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 6:45 PM  

So, Pao is fired?

Now she has free time to be a SJW whore. But I repeat myself.

Anonymous Xtra July 10, 2015 6:47 PM  

An "easy" solution:

Stop being an employee.

Work for yourself.

The "Rich Dad Poor Dad" series is a good place to start. James Alrucher and Tim Ferriss are two others to google.

Anonymous Ras al Ghul July 10, 2015 6:52 PM  

I was expecting this to be about Gallo . . .

and speaking of SJWs and getting fired:

http://news.yahoo.com/reddit-interim-ceo-pao-resigns-215208231.html

Anonymous ouch July 10, 2015 6:56 PM  

I've gotten sacked twice -- once when I didn't deserve it, once when I didn't -- but I think it's pretty rare when you have *no* warning.

It's like getting dumped. It is incredibly obvious in retrospect that it was coming, but before it happens you just don't want to believe it.

Anonymous RCPete July 10, 2015 6:57 PM  

One option for the older worker is cashing out. After the dot-com implosion, I had a lucrative consulting gig for 9 months. When the client went toes up, my wife and I finished fixing up the house and sold it into the overheated Silicon Valley housing market. We got enough to live on until retirement kicked in, and I can do most of the stuff we need to do around the place. Plus, I live in a corner of the world where we get to kick out RINOs...

Anonymous Giuseppe July 10, 2015 6:58 PM  

Guess what? Ellen Pao is fired!

I take full credit for that, as a result of my tweet.
I don't care what any of you think, I know it was me, ha!

Fire Pao. It only takes one SJW to destroy a multimillion dollar firm. Time to throw them out. Of everywhere. #RedditRevolt

Blogger Dago July 10, 2015 7:03 PM  

Xtra,
Step away from the kool aid. Kyosaki and Ferris are scammers and liars and Ferris hangs out with pedos.

Blogger bob k. mando July 10, 2015 7:08 PM  

50. Freestater July 10, 2015 6:32 PM
Pao gone! WOW this thread was a prophecy!



no, Pao's 'sociopathic' behaviors becoming public during the sex discrimination suit were the prophecy.

only an idiot OR ANOTHER SOCIOPATH would have hired her after seeing that mess.

of course, Reddit has obviously been having problems generated by the 'professional management' MBA class for years. Pao wasn't the first. she's just endemic to the culture.

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chairman_Pao#Pao_bans_literal_whale_watching

Blogger Peter Pan July 10, 2015 7:17 PM  

When I saw the headline I immediately thought that Irene Gallo had been fired. You can imagine my disappointment on that score. The advice, however, was not. Good tips.

Anonymous Jourdan July 10, 2015 7:19 PM  

@Giuseppe

Jourdan, Unless you mean 45 y.o. And over should be utterly blasé about being fired, thanks to their greater experience in handling diversity, I again, note your pussification continues. I'm 45. And I piss with unconcern on being fired, as I did exactly a week ago.

I'm going to assume you meant "adversity" and not "diversity." You know, Giu, when I disagree with someone here, I say why and explain my position. It's getting hard not to notice that you go full retard Middle School style when someone, somewhere has an opinion different than yours.

Still, fuck that, that ain't my thing. So let me tell you what I mean: the older worker is much more likely, many, many times more likely, to have immediate liabilities that must be covered immediately in the way that many young men don't. That is a generalization; as other posters have noted, some have skills that demand top dollar and can count on immediate work, or have extensive networks to call on.

But any real-world analysis of American men that age in the real world and not the tough-guy Internet world shows that a solid majority of men in that age bracket are living paycheck-to-paycheck with no margin of error and no savings. Advice for this group of men would be less concerned with being tough and refraining from crying or complaining--although I admit that is always good advice for men regardless of topic--to advice on how to parlay experience into immediate temp work to provide for those liabilities alongside the long-term new job search.

And, yes, age plays a role, although again that is a generalization. For some, it hardly matters. I can say without hesitation in my former profession it was a big deal, because it was all about billable hours and why hire an experienced 46 year old with family demands when the firm can get by with a 30 year old single guy who can eat Taco Bell at his desk at 9pm?

So, our opinions are different, I can see how that would make you feel a strong need to declare on the Internet what a pussy I am and how tough you are.

Speaking of which, Giuseppe, I've drawn both Combat Pay and Danger Pay as an officer.

How about you, tough guy?

Anonymous Xtra July 10, 2015 7:20 PM  

Spoken like a true wage-slave, Dago. Well done.

Anonymous Proud redneck July 10, 2015 7:24 PM  

Xtra:

Most entrepreneurs are scammers and dirtbags, and people who aell the idea of entrepreneurship are worse. It is the right of every white American male to have a normal 9-5 job and live a middle class lifestyke. Fuck off with your snakeoil promises.

Blogger James Dixon July 10, 2015 7:30 PM  

This may very well be a useful thread for me to revisit in a few weeks.

I'm tech support for an oil/gas/coal company. Needless to say, things aren't looking too good right now. :(

The real problem is that jobs are in short supply in our area. I've been looking (pretty much since I got transferred to a new site last year), but no bites so far.

Blogger bob k. mando July 10, 2015 7:41 PM  

64. Proud redneck July 10, 2015 7:24 PM
Most entrepreneurs are scammers and dirtbags, and people who aell the idea of entrepreneurship are worse.



here's a hint:
how much did he charge you for that advice?



64. Proud redneck July 10, 2015 7:24 PM
It is the right of every white American male to have a normal 9-5 job and live a middle class lifestyke.


until this sentence, i would have taken your post as deep trolling.

maybe it IS deep trolling.

but i'ma take you cereal and tell you to toddle along back to your union job.

Blogger maniacprovost July 10, 2015 7:49 PM  

Right now, not everybody can work for themselves. Take x86 microprocessor designers, for example. There are 2 companies (and probably intelligence agencies) where one could find work, and they don't hire subcontractors for that. Can one individual decide he's going to switch to a related field and go freelance? Sure. He coould become a microbrewer and sell brisket sandwiches out of a truck. But not everyone can do that or we will quickly run out of new microprocessors.

In the future, that may not be the case. My company routinely hires consultants to design products when we don't have enough engineers to spare. In the technocratic anarchocapitalist world of 2100, everyone might be a freelancer and profits may be equitably distributed throughout the egalitarian society of free tradesmen. Right now, there are too many morons and not enough computers to hold their hands for that to work.

Blogger maniacprovost July 10, 2015 7:51 PM  

Also, Cyberpunk!

Blogger Groot July 10, 2015 7:51 PM  

Nice thread, guys. Lots of good advice and feel-uplift for those that need it (no sarcasm).

@37. swiftfoxmark2: This is amazingly true. Get technical. Do it. You can learn to program from the internet at home, starting right now, at any age, with any educational background. You'll be a useless idiot for a while, but most programmers are idiots all their life. We are so desperate for them, though, you will get a job. Put it on your resume even if you only intend to learn it, and you will get a job. Then keep learning, late into the night, during lunch, at your job, on the bus.

For those in cyclical areas, rethink what industry you're in. If you're employed during a boom in real estate, you're a finance expert, or a great salesman, not a real estate expert. If you're in oil, think of yourself as an excellent engineer, or some other expert, not an oil guy.

And sell yourself. Attend technical sessions, and pipe up, sound intelligent, and announce that you're unemployed. Intelligent and technical: we're looking for you. That's why we're at these technical sessions, away from our family.

Anonymous BGS July 10, 2015 7:55 PM  

My it turns out Redlit CEO Ellen Poa needs this advice. She just resigned. I guess being CEO its hard to sue a company for firing you, or not giving you a promotion.
http://news.yahoo.com/reddit-interim-ceo-pao-resigns-215208231.html

Blogger JCclimber July 10, 2015 7:57 PM  

First firing, I had a premonition the Friday before and cloned my laptop's drive which had all my materials I'd created over the last few years. But it still was a shock that Monday a couple weeks before Christmas.

Not the best thing that ever happened to me, but looking back it was very good for me to go throught that, as it helped break me of my dependence for working for a "best place to work" company.

Next job, I was extremely effective but I was not popular with the SJWs in upper management. The morning they told me my contract would be ending in a week, I calmly told them I was a professional and would work hard in the time remaining to make sure loose ends were wrapped up. That got me a nice little severance package when I left.

I called my wife immediately to let her know it was happening again, but that her trip with my son in the summer to her parents' home in another country was still on and that we'd handle it together.

That very afternoon, I got a call that ended 6 weeks later with a job closer to home, in the field I wanted, with about $40,000 more in pay. The fun part is that last night, my friend at the old company texted me that the VP and Senior Directors who were SJWs that didn't like me got suddenly fired and escorted out of the building.

My wife never even flinched the second time around. Nor did she worry too much the first time, because I had a plan, we had complete faith in the Lord that He always has our backs, and we had a large backup savings plan just in case.

That said, neither did I hesitate for 1 second to file for unemployment insurance. I've paid that insurance for 35 years, and it mostly sticks it to your former employer anyway.

Best thing, the first company that fired me matched my salary with my current employer if I would return, and I had the ability to politely decline the offer.

Anonymous Xtra July 10, 2015 7:58 PM  

"how much did he charge you for that advice?"

The Rich Dad book is like $7.99 on Amazon. Your public library has it available for free.

Apparently this makes me a "scammer" to recommend a couple books.

Anonymous DT July 10, 2015 8:07 PM  

67. maniacprovost - In the technocratic anarchocapitalist world of 2100, everyone might be a freelancer and profits may be equitably distributed throughout the egalitarian society of free tradesmen.

We're either going to have immortality pills, replicators, and holodecks by then, or we will be banging rocks in caves.

Technology makes me hope for the former.

SJWs leave thinking the latter.

Blogger bob k. mando July 10, 2015 8:22 PM  

72. Xtra July 10, 2015 7:58 PM
Apparently this makes me a "scammer" to recommend a couple books.


scoobs?

Blogger njartist July 10, 2015 8:47 PM  

Had to restart my life several times. I am now almost sixty-six and restarting it again: there is no retirement. The best thing I can do is lean on God and wait as I self-train: I am a Fine Artist so I am retraining my self to do Graphic Design: learning Inkscape and Gimp as I enter competitions on freelancers.com.

Blogger njartist July 10, 2015 8:53 PM  

For my fellow Christians: we need to realize God is judging this nation and it is going to be severe: we Christians are going to suffer through this: change your lifestyle and reduce your spending habits; I would also change your eating habits to a more economical diet.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 10, 2015 9:02 PM  

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the eventual goal of ruining/bringing down/exacting "payback" from a malignant boss or co-worker who had a role in an UNJUST firing...There are often many avenues to get back at or undermine such individuals

Why not spend the time it takes to plot your clever revenge making your own life better instead?

Anonymous Ulmer Miller July 10, 2015 9:18 PM  

Hey Groot, what should a know-nothing like myself learn? Javascript? What coders are in demand? I've always had an interest in programming but have no idea what's best language-wise.

Anonymous NateM July 10, 2015 9:25 PM  

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/03/ex-reddit-employee-says-ceo-ellen-pao-fired-him-because-he-had-leukemia/

“When I asked what the specific reason was, she had roughly stated that ‘because of our discussion, you are too sick to properly fulfill your duties as Community Manager,'” he claimed.

After Croach pleaded with Pao for his job, he said she relented and said that if he received clearance from a doctor to work from San Francisco he could stay on.

“Unfortunately, a day later, she had called and once again stated that I was fired, stating that work would be too demanding for my health,” Croach claimed.


it follows from the rules here, his move wasn't pleading it was getting on tape her admitting to firing him due to cancer, then cleaning up in court.

Anonymous zen0 July 10, 2015 9:28 PM  

> Why not spend the time it takes to plot your clever revenge making your own life better instead?

Yes, that is good, but if an opportunity presents itself, on a silver platter, one should take advantage.

Long story short, Ms zen0 had a boss that was bullying her. This was in a government department. Unbeknownst to the bully, I had access to her boss in the governing party at the time through a wholly unrelated channel, and I had political capital to spend.

Just a short word at a dinner party, and said bully's career path became severely limited. So much more satisfying than punching someone in the face.


Sometimes I think of visiting her on her deathbed, and telling her how she got screwed and why.

Am I a bad man?

OpenID rufusdog July 10, 2015 9:42 PM  

While I have not been fired before I have been the first round of layoffs at a dying company, being the first round certainly feels like “you suck and we don’t want you”. So I have some perspective, plus I work in a very turbulent field. Anyway, yes, no one cares, don’t bother pretending that they do, but you should find someone close to you that you can talk too, mom, dad, brother, whatever. It helps to talk through these things and process what happened, pick someone to talk to who will tell it to you straight.

It’s a good thing to have this happen to you early. There is nothing like the “but I’ve been with the company twenty years” guy who gets fired, train wreck. If it happens early enough you adapt and overcome and realize a job is just a fucking job and get on with it. Only people who feel like their job is their “family” really get crushed when something happens. Here is a hint, it’s a job, not your family, you will get another one, a child has not died.

LIVE BELOW YOUR MEANS. Yes children ALL CAPS. You don’t want your entire world to be crushed? Don’t live in a house you can barely afford and drive a 50K truck because you’re just that cool. Your wife won’t start cutting herself if you can pay the bills for 3 months while you sort things out.

Blogger So Meh July 10, 2015 9:48 PM  

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Blogger So Meh July 10, 2015 9:50 PM  

if possible, as a must, have 6 - 12 months of cash that can cover your monthly expenses. personal example...I i burned through my 12 month cash nest back in 2009-2010 and have slowly been building back up. i was lucky to have it and I never thought I would ever need to use it. the difficult expense is health insurance. COBRA is ~ $400+ for a single to $1,200+ per month for family. I do not have any experience with buying Obamacare, which may be much less expensive. My advise similar to the original post...everyone has a 1st day of work, and your last day of work could be the next day, next week, next year, or 40 years. plan for the worst and hope the best and if you do get fired...KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, pack your stuff and leave. no whining, no making a scene. DO NOT ASK WHY....because IT DOES NOT MATTER. the company has already made the calculation you are no longer needed and unless you are a charitable person, who works for free...your time, efforts, and concerns need to be focused elsewhere and not to or toward a company that does not want or need you. all my advise can be ignored by government employees...keep doing what your doing...your set for life. no worries for you.

Anonymous er, zen0 July 10, 2015 10:04 PM  

81. rufusdog

Absolutely agree. It is just a job. You are expendible. They don't love you. You are a cog in a machine. Don't get emotionally involved. That is stupid.

I have always lived below my means and have only worked for other people for the equivalent of 5 years of my life.

Meanwhile, I have more capital socked away than any of my siblings, and I expect my dotage to be comfortable, AND
my woman was able to retire early because of my systemic economics.

I am zen0

Anonymous zen0 July 10, 2015 10:15 PM  

83. So Meh

COBRA is ~ $400+ for a single to $1,200+ per month for family. I do not have any experience with buying Obamacare, which

I can't tell you how much I can't understand how things work in the Excited States of America.

Canadian private health coverage:
Type of Coverage Monthly Cost
Family $157
Single Parent -Father $78
Single Parent -Mother $110
Individual Male $47
individual Female $80

You guys must be paying for the expenses of maintaining the Empire or something.

Anonymous A Visitor July 10, 2015 10:21 PM  

"Instead of freaking out, I relaxed. Yeah, you heard that right. Relaxed. I recommend going for a long drive, going fishing or hiking, going to the track or to the gym."

I'll be doing this when I am fired from my current job or (if I'm lucky and one of the irons I have in the fire pans out) when I quit it for another. It'll be one of the happiest days of my life, leaving this line of work for good (again). For those asking why I am still in it, it's the only thing I've done in my life for an extended period (yes, I'm still very young in terms of work).

"Also, and here's where the decision-making starts to come in, jettisoning unneeded luxuries."

For starters, don't have cable or satellite. You'll be much more productive for it and when your income revenue dribbles down to zero and you're making ever dollar count, it'll be one less thing you need to worry about paying at month's end.

"It's (hopefully) you they care about." If you have a friend or family member chew you out, don't take it personally. Take it as constructive criticism. I did and it was the swift kick in the rear I needed to get it together while unemployed last year.

"I was laid off once and during my "laying off" the owner of the company said "you own guns, you aren't going to do anything stupid are you"."

LOL! A former work colleague who was fired on trumped up charges scared the boss so bad that the boss had to have another person come to repossess all of the company's property from said colleague.

"It is clear that if one is fired form every job, then one has performance deficiencies which must be rectified"

In the case of said colleague, management was breaking federal law and wanted her to go as they wanted to hire another young sucker like myself. They got theirs in the end.

"I was weak and scared, only because of my small children."

Facing the uncertain and trulytrusting in God is one of the hardest things to do. Going through the crucible of uncertainty and trusting in Him makes a man stronger on the other side.

One thing learned through experience, don't over think the situation. If you have an inkling you may be fired or let go, DO NOT QUIT! I made that mistake with my last real employer* (did two temp jobs in between my current job). As Vox echoed when I said that years ago, MAKE THEM FIRE YOU! Furthermore, don't put anymore stress on yourself than you already have. It chews you up.

*The one caveat to this, if the company is under federal investigation, GTFO! My employer was, big time. The fed hammer came down on them hard (could have been harder, a former executive who is now in a very high political position deserves to be behind bars in my opinion but that's another story) last year. Getting out of that nightmare was scary (had to move back in with the parents) but exhilarating at the same time too (I could actually sleep at night again).

Anonymous A Visitor July 10, 2015 10:22 PM  

"Re: applying for jobs. Of course you should, but also talk to your friends, relatives, neighbours, old colleagues - anybody you can have a friendly conversation with - and ask them to let you know if they come across any job opportunities that might suit you."

Sign up for Ramit Sethi's Dream Job course. That thing is worth its weight in gold!

"t's that talking about the details will change your attitude and tend to drive you into a paralytic state."

If you own any firearms, go to the range if it was a particularly bad firing. Turn the cell phone off. Empty about twenty magazines in to your target of choice (spinner, paper, watermelon). You'll feel much better.

"And If you can handle a firing or a laying off with sufficient self-control"

'Or at least the self control to not tell anyone it was you that went to the inspector general and explained how they committed health care fraud, & how to find it by comparing different records. I didn't tell anyone not related by blood for over 5 years."

On the other hand (in my case) they committed thousands of federal felonies and bilked the feds out of $9.2 billion. Yeah, seeing that indictment unsealed and being able to talk about...a friend asked, "Why didn't you say anything?!?" My response? "NDA."

@Ulmer Miller

Speaking from an uneducated point of view in programming, my guess is that C would still be in demand. Taught myself Java in grade school, learned QBasic and C++ in high school, learned C in college as was required by my engineering core (did not stay in engineering).

@zen0

I would initially say yes but given the circumstances it is sometimes necessary to sabotage bullies, especially those that attack family.

Regarding COBRA, find a cheaper health insurance plan ASAP. I finally found one as my COBRA was a few months from expiring...had I done some looking beforehand...less learned. And no, I did not do Obamacare.

Now, for some Friday night trance!

Anonymous zen0 July 10, 2015 10:29 PM  

87. A Visitor

> Now, for some Friday night trance!

Can you explain that for me? I am old, and the neighbour has had that stuff on all night sometimes. He is a single gay guy, not that there is anything wrong with that, but what's the deal?

Is it like Meditation?

Blogger James Dixon July 10, 2015 10:40 PM  

> Just a short word at a dinner party, and said bully's career path became severely limited. So much more satisfying than punching someone in the face.

That must be the difference between you "civilized" folks and us barbarians. :) Somethings I take personally, and prefer to deal with them personally.

Anonymous Fp July 10, 2015 10:40 PM  

"Now, for some Friday night trance!"

And here is some more trance, Vox approved!

Blogger Groot July 10, 2015 10:48 PM  

@78. Ulmer Miller:
JavaScript is fine, if you like web-work. Or Java, C#, or GIMP like 75. njartist, above, if you're an artist, or download a free Maya, and learn MEL. Doesn't really matter. Coding is coding. You'll immediately start learning about Design Patterns, and working with automated testing, or security, or project management.

If you have curiosity and enjoy learning, the technical world is an ocean. There are endless, excellent books and websites. Download the free stuff, work through the tutorials, make it work. And you might find you enjoy budgeting or hiring or any other necessary thing, but you'll never regret the technical side, and you'll gain everyone's respect and, more importantly, their money.

Blogger njartist July 10, 2015 10:56 PM  

OT: now the fleur de lis is considered racist.

Anonymous zen0 July 10, 2015 10:58 PM  

89. James Dixon

That must be the difference between you "civilized" folks and us barbarians. :) Somethings I take personally, and prefer to deal with them personally.

Yes of course. And how would that help us deal with the problem? I could have confronted her personally, and been up for charges of some kind, and mz zen0 would be out of a job.

But boy, would I feel good about myself. Woo forking hoo.
Machialvelli understands me.

Oh, and I still feel good about it. Proud, in fact. One of the best things I have done. No different than beating some moron down who attacked ms zen0 physically on the street, only the playing field is different.

Have to be flexible, James. But I totally understand your point of view, you barbarian, you.

But mine is more lethal. See Vox versus PNH

Blogger njartist July 10, 2015 11:13 PM  

@91. Groot
Back in 98, I retrained myself to do web design (never used a computer before): Javascript, HTML4/now 5, Dreamweaver, Photoshop; a couple years ago added jQuery to my repertoire. Moved back to G'boro, a university town, and web designers are a dime a dozen: Not even well-off people want to pay the market rates ($40-$60): that is the Southern rich's attitude towards the little man.

This time I decided to retrain myself to do graphic design: as an artist, it is an easy transition: it's something that should keep me for the next fifteen years until I am eighty or better: God willing. I can do the design in the am and the painting in the afternoon.

Instead of Maya, download the open source 3D program Blender.

Blogger kh123 July 10, 2015 11:14 PM  

"Sometimes I think of visiting her on her deathbed, and telling her how she got screwed and why.

Am I a bad man?"


Truly, the assailer of all things.

You are Groo... Zeno.

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Blogger njartist July 10, 2015 11:25 PM  

@88. zen0 July 10, 2015 10:29 PM

Trance appears to be the visual equivalent of hip hip: the visual remixing of non-related images. You could also associate it with the Noise music movement wherein diverse sounds are recorded and remixed to create what is laughingly called a composition.

Blogger Blume July 10, 2015 11:41 PM  

Yes but you're in good company here with the ilk.

Anonymous daddynichol July 11, 2015 12:04 AM  

I may have been without a job, but I've never been without work.

I lost my job at age 59, but began buying and selling a wide range of items via the internet and made good money. Later a friend of mine needed help in his small manufacturing operation. One thing led to another and now, at age 63, I'm working 50-60 hours per week minimum helping build and market agricultural focused UAVs in a bustling little shop in Kansas.

Opportunity can come at anytime as long as a person is willing to work at it.

Good luck and God bless all.

Blogger J Van Stry July 11, 2015 12:30 AM  

I'm a contractor, and I've been 'laid off' many times. You always see if coming, if you're paying attention: Either the contract is ending, or budgets/priorities have changed.
I've only been fired once, and it was a combination of my fault, and politics. But I still owned it, and moved on.

I've also walked away from more than one job over the years, jobs that were paying good money, because I didn't want to be treated like crap, and they were starting to treat me that way.

Always have an out, always have options, always know what the market is going and keep your resume out there. I don't treat people poorly, I treat them with respect, and I demand the same. And I'm not afraid to tell my bosses that I'm doing a them a favor by working for them, as much as they are doing me one by paying me.

When they know you'll walk if they play BS games with you, it's amazing how the BS games suddenly go away. It's also amazing how much they'll let slide once they realize that they need you, more than you need them. Course you shouldn't take advantage of that, (well not too much!) it's not polite.

Blogger Dago July 11, 2015 3:18 AM  

You poor, sad chump.
Betcha I have seen more of the world, done more and worked for myself more than you. As for Ferriss hanging out with pedophiles, that's no joke. Gobread some salty droid and wake up.

Anonymous Giuseppe July 11, 2015 3:41 AM  

Jourdan,
One of the beautiful things on this blog is that in general we don't have to explain everything three times to the average midwit. Nor pussyfoot our way around what we mean because of sensitive "feelings". What you ascribe as being my "opinion" is actually merely a demonstrable fact.
Since you came aboard you have vacillated between the usual English whining and the swinging emotional outrage of the impotent. I am very familiar with that attitude in the UK, as it is quite common in middle-aged Englishmen who have government jobs who perhaps feel they have not accomplished as much in life as they feel they are entitled to.
Now, I may be off base, perhaps your recent injury has weakened you a little and you're more whiny than usual and so on, however, I doubt it. I notice patterns and the pattern with you is one where you try to sound relatively wise (nothing wrong with that) but unmask yourself constantly with your general pessimism and dejection. Aka whining.
As for the point about older men, again, if you got to that age with a family and are not able to have made provisions for them in case of a crisis, then it is very unlikely you are ilk-like and probably unlikely you are even reading this blog. As to your drawing pay from government work, so what? I am commenting on your demonstrated attitude here. Nor do I care about how "tough" you think/say/believe/actually are. It is relatively obvious. I have never known people who actually are mentally tough behave as you do. Hence my point. You might be salavageable, maybe, but you really need to get a grip and stop whining about life in general.

Blogger Gordon July 11, 2015 9:10 AM  

@85. zen0:

It varies from state to state based on how many weird conditions some legislator has required the insurance company to pay for (here in Minnesota, sex-change surgery!). It also varies based on the pool of employees (lots of middle-aged women means high premiums for everyone). But I suspect that in Canada you have an insurer of last resort (the government) that steps in when things get really expensive. Since you're not paying for 85-year old Gordy's kidney transplant, your premiums are low. Because he ain't gonna get one. Somehow his name will keep falling off of the waiting list.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 11, 2015 10:04 AM  

I have quit 3 jobs, been laid off twice. I sold a home in preparation for a move across state lines and a month after the sale I was laid off.
I have been debt free numerous times, and a month away from having no money left in yhe bank account. I have saved money to only have crap happen that ate almost all of the savings.
To this day, my tolerance for uncertainty is shaken.
Some the events happened when married and no kids.
There us a huge difference in handling the issues - when young and with children.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 11, 2015 1:54 PM  

"Per above"

?????

Blogger Maple Curtain July 11, 2015 3:11 PM  

Well, if you've been the victim of the feminazi brigades in a large organization, and you are a white male, you are essentially toxic to almost all other white males who are hoping to be shot last. So, yeah, your friends don't want to hear about it. On blogs like this, it may seem that there is some male solidarity out there, but, up here behind the Maple Curtain, that is not the case. Might as well be Sweden or Norway. And, yes, I'm speaking from experience.

Blogger Shimshon July 11, 2015 3:18 PM  

I lost my job a couple months ago. I have never searched or networked as hard in my life. I had more than a few interviews. All small companies. Some were quite eye-opening, in either the questionable model (a few were "Uber for X industry" ideas) or how badly managed the companies were. Some were genuinely interesting businesses. Thank God, five weeks later, I started a new job at slightly lower pay, but at a small, well-managed company with a technically competent CTO (my boss). They appreciate me far more than my last company ever did. And I expect to be making at least what I was in short order.

Anonymous Conservative July 11, 2015 5:03 PM  

"?????"

Just another leftard poser thinking he's above the "little people".

"I find this admission... hilarious."

We find your condescension, hypocrisy, posing and lying amusing.

Blogger Groot July 11, 2015 6:59 PM  

94. njartist:

See, guys, this is what I'm talking about! Almost 50 years old, teaches himself some code, and now he's turning down jobs because they don't pay him his minimum of $80-120 thousand per year. Good for you, njartist! (I always read that as Ninja Artist.)

Anonymous A Visitor July 11, 2015 9:21 PM  

zen0,

I personally enjoy the music. I've been listening to the overall genre, properly known as electronic (most who are unfamiliar call it techno, which is actually a subset of electronic), since grade school. I actually grew up listening to classic rock. Name the band and ten to one I've heard them. I had the good fortune to see Tom Petty, Rod Stewart, and The Eagles all live in concert, as well as Jimmy Buffet.

njartist, actually videos are only a small component of any song in the genre as it is in any other. Some times they put generic videos like that (look at other songs in that channel that have videos) just to hold space.

Though making music in that style does not require nearly the level of talent as rock for example, there still is some talent involved. One of the artists who created that song, Armin Van Buuren, does many things with his tracks and mixes at live events (syncs them according to key, F#, for example; one of his recent tracks for his upcoming album he actually was conducting an orchestra in his studio as he had a certain sound he wanted for the track). I've seen him live several times and he knows how to work a crowd.

Though I speak three foreign languages with varying degrees of competency and enjoy music from said languages, there's just something about trance (my favorite genre of electronic, yes that song was trance) that just gets me amped. I hope this helps!

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 12, 2015 3:33 AM  

No Pal, we are not wage slaves or slaves to the labor farce at all - we or most bow to Christ in Post America. This is mostly a mans post but if allowed I'd like to vent regarding the cost of living and debt.

Most here view debt free or opting for freedom from debt as a status symbol.

* Practice objectivity
* Forget whatever henhouses you've encountered, henhouses always exist as a distraction your success
* Dramatically reduce spending
* Don't panic, these times are an opportunity for something else
* Don't listen to women

Aside from a 18 year history of self employment, I was fired perhaps 11 times from 2005 to 2007 in NC. My only regret was not leaving sooner, foreclosing sooner and being too kind. I really should have worked harder to shut down the 2nd bank but one was enough for me.

The first wave of econo problems rocked Charlotte and portions of SC that I worked in. I got what I wanted out of the south; some weather, the ocean, arts, solid agency, perhaps improved decision making and hopefully a stronger faith as God was constantly faithful to me all my life.

I'm called to my faith, family and arts - at this time I guess I'm called to get better or recover my health.

Unemployable or not I am not well enough to return to work. Sad but true that is what happened in NC to OH to PA and now in a sleepy de-populated town in WV.

What is missing here is so much of what happens to gen x is not our fault, the deck was stacked against us a long time ago; trade, outsourcing, absurd women in the labor farce displacing men, absurd senile old people henhousing, absurd taxation, lunatic styled costs of living all play a role in shaping up for what might become a deep separation from the do-nothings to the gen xer doers. It might be a time in history when the productive shut out the losers and wont allow just anyone to move in where It was up to us to make another path. We've done well in forging other industries and options of revenue/savings.

Graceful austerity is sometimes the road back to having the quality of lilfe one wants, it takes time to recover not debt to fund all things shiny.

Overall, I want is my faith, to be left alone and health. Debt and Family are gone. It's just dad and I.

I was certain I'd be in Arlington for 7/11, never made it. I planned to OT RSVP a few days ago but was sick again.

I was so sick by noon Saturday I barely returned home. My best laid plans are a waste and joke as I belong to the Lord first. Whatever He wills, so be it. That is one womans plight thanks to the effing failed horrific worldview of feminism and poor health. But again who knew it was willed for my good or my bad...

Blogger Joseph Dooley July 13, 2015 9:34 AM  

I was fired in May and it was a total shock and surprise. The reason my employer gave my contracting agency was some BS. Since I couldn't contact them, I asked if they could get clarity on why they separated me. Just for peace of mind, to know what I could improve on behaviorally. They were mute, and my wife and I moved on. We immediately went into emergency stretch-out-our-money mode.

For all the stress I felt, I was only out of work 3 weeks, and I got to spend some quality time with my father in law working on his house and volunteering at my church. Now, my situation in August will be much better than it was in May.

I can't stress enough how important an emergency fund is in these situations. After the initial gut punch wore off, I realized we were actually in a great place financially to weather this storm and take our time finding a new job.

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Anonymous Anonymous July 16, 2015 11:45 AM  

My first introduction to the idea that you are expendable at a moment’s notice goes back to 2000 while I was working for BP SOLAR. I was in charge of BP’s Global Engineering Data, or all solar module technical information, both thin film, and crystalline products. We ran an ISO quality practice.
300+ were pulled into a room and told R&D, Engineering and Manufacturing were moving. (Sr. Mgt. forgot to mention that the Chinese though wage and environmental arbitrage were “kicking our asses”. I actually don’t know if BP was all that serious about solar anyway, or just the green stamp.
Anyway, from that day forward I realized that I’m a free agent and I shouldn’t anchor my value, worth, or identity to any particular company. In fact, times have accelerated this idea. In working for a publically traded company, unless you are Sr. Mgt with stock options, profit sharing, great benefits, you are overhead and a commodity, unless you have a skill set that’s in demand: Oracle DBA, Six Sigma Black Belt, Cyber Warrior w/ clearance, ect.
You are a free agent and there’s no going back. Carefully pick your industry, your profession, the company (proprietary technology, category killer, small to medium agile, maybe Gov Con that is funny money taxpayer supported, ect) and make yourself indispensable. Just plan on being self-reliant and that’s no easy task. But when do men have it easy? Never. You’ll be happy to get away from the SJW HR fug’s, the TPS reports and bullshit if you just find a way to leverage your best assets on your terms.

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