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Friday, July 24, 2015

Hugo Recommendations 2015

This is how I am voting for the 2015 Hugo Awards. Of course, I offer this information regarding my individual ballot for no particular reason at all, and the fact that I have done so should not be confused in any way, shape, or form with a slate or a bloc vote, much less a direct order by the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil to his 390 Vile Faceless Minions or anyone else.

Voting closes on July 31, so don't procrastinate.

Best Novel
  1. The Three-Body Problem
  2. Skin Game
  3. The Goblin Emperor
  4. The Dark Between the Stars
 Best Novella
  1. "One Bright Star to Guide Them"
  2. "Big Boys Don't Cry"
  3. "The Plural of Helen of Troy"
  4. "Pale Realms of Shade"
  5. "Flow"
Best Novelette
  1. "The Triple Sun: A Golden Age Tale"
  2. "Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust, Earth to Alluvium"
  3. "The Journeyman: In the Stone House"
  4. "Championship B'Tok"
  5. "The Day the World Turned Upside Down"
Best Short Story
  1. “Turncoat”, Steve Rzasa (Riding the Red Horse, Castalia House)
  2. “The Parliament of Beasts and Birds”, John C. Wright (The Book of Feasts & Seasons, Castalia House)
  3. “On A Spiritual Plain”, Lou Antonelli (Sci Phi Journal #2, 11-2014)
  4. “A Single Samurai”, Steven Diamond (The Baen Big Book of Monsters, Baen Books)
Best Related Work
  1. "The Hot Equations: Thermodynamics and Military SF"
  2. Transhuman and Subhuman: Essays on Science Fiction and Awful Truth
  3. "Why Science is Never Settled"
  4. Letters from Gardner
  5. Wisdom from My Internet
Best Graphic Story
  1. No Award

 Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form)
  1. Guardians of the Galaxy
  2.  Captain America: The Winter Soldier
  3. Edge of Tomorrow
  4. Interstellar
  5. The Lego Movie
 Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form)
  1. Game of Thrones: “The Mountain and the Viper”
  2. The Flash: “Pilot”
  3. Grimm: “Once We Were Gods”
  4. Orphan Black: “By Means Which Have Never Yet Been Tried”
 Best Editor, Short Form
  1. Vox Day
  2. Jennifer Broznek
  3. Bryan Thomas Schmidt
  4. Mike Resnick
Best Editor, Long Form
  1. Toni Weisskopf
  2. Anne Sowards
  3. Jim Minz
  4. Vox Day
  5. Sheila Gilbert    
Best Professional Artist
  1. Kirk DouPonce
  2. Alan Polack
  3. Julie Dillon
  4. Nick Greenwood
  5. Carter Reid
Best Semiprozine
  1. Abyss & Apex
  2. Beneath Ceaseless Skies
  3. Strange Horizons
  4. Lightspeed Magazine
  5. Andromeda Spaceways In-Flight Magazine
Best Fanzine
  1. Black Gate
  2. Tangent Online 
  3. Elitist Book Reviews
  4. Journey Planet
  5. The Revenge of Hump Day
Best Fancast
  1. The Sci Phi Show
  2. Adventures in SciFi Publishing
  3. Galactic Suburbia Podcast
  4. Dungeon Crawlers Radio
  5. Tea and Jeopardy
Best Fan Writer
  1. Jeffro Johnson
  2. Dave Freer
  3. Amanda S. Green
  4. Cedar Sanderson
  5. Laura J. Mixon
Best Fan Artist
  1. Elizabeth Leggett
  2. Spring Schoenhuth
  3. Ninni Aalto
  4. Steve Stiles
The John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer
  1. Eric S. Raymond
  2. Wesley Chu
  3. Jason Cordova
  4. Rolf Nelson

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119 Comments:

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 24, 2015 11:41 AM  

That is astonishing!
It's exactly how I voted! The chances of that must be one in a minion!

Anonymous buzzcut #207 July 24, 2015 11:43 AM  

I'm voting for Sasquatch this year because I like how he stands on bare arms. Bear arms?

Blogger David-2 July 24, 2015 11:45 AM  

Can someone explain the (apparently) non-obvious voting rules, e.g.,

1) what is the effect on the overall vote if you don't vote all possible votes in a category?

1a) and if you only want to vote for, say, 3 works in a category with 5 possible votes, what is the effect of voting "no award" for #4 vs. leaving #4 (and #5) blank?

2) what is the effect on the overall vote if you vote, in a given category, in a different rank order than, say, you believe that other Legionnaires might vote?

Anonymous BGS July 24, 2015 11:55 AM  

I am still voting for "If you where a pallet of Doritos My Love" The hugo award winning story of Rape in aisle 9 of Costco by GRRM

OT: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/21300-un-calls-for-rfid-chips-and-biometric-tracking-of-guns-and-ammo
Paragraph 33 of the Chair’s Summary of the meeting calls for urgent tracking of civilian-owned firearms, recommending that manufacturers be forced by the UN to install “RFID and biometric technologies in limiting the access to the weapon to authorized users only,” with authorized users defined as state actors (UN member nations)....

Paragraph 42 of the summary proposes funding this fascism “through the UN regular budget,” 22 percent of which is paid by the United States, through a process that can be described as nothing less than legalized theft of the wealth of the American worker....

Once the governments of the member nations begin tracking and confiscating weapons from civilians, the Programme of Action (paragraphs 30 and 31) mandates that member governments take “direct control over transfers of small arms and light weapons.”

Anonymous Jill July 24, 2015 11:58 AM  

I'm rooting for Kirk DouPonce.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 12:01 PM  

Can someone explain the (apparently) non-obvious voting rules, e.g.,

No. There are a plethora of explanations for the unique Hugo voting to be found elsewhere and there is no need to get into it here or discuss it here.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 12:07 PM  

All solid choices. I would have put 'The Flash' pilot first. I am kind of jaded on GoT now but that was a good episode. It's hard for me to sift through the last few years of GoT to see if that was really that good an episode or if it was just more of the gore and dreck. GoT used to be good now the show is looking shabby.

Blogger jay c July 24, 2015 12:08 PM  

My ballot is very similar, but not identical. I had already recorded most of my votes before today. This morning, since time is running short, I read some blogs and review sites and cast the rest of my ballot based on the opinions of people I respect as well as of people I really, really don't respect.

Orphan Black? The show was pretty good as TV SF series go, but season two was so cloyingly, absurdly SJW, I couldn't stand it anymore. I left it off.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 24, 2015 12:09 PM  

You didn't like the Lego Movie? I thought it was quite campy and had a lot of buried stuff. Kind of like the classic Bugs Bunny cartoons.

Were the others so much better in your view? Was it not really science fiction enough? Something else?

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 12:12 PM  

You didn't like the Lego Movie? I thought it was quite campy and had a lot of buried stuff. Kind of like the classic Bugs Bunny cartoons.

You say "quite campy" as if it is a good thing. When I think of "award-winning SF" I don't think of "campy". Also, not really SF.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 12:12 PM  

Jay C - the first episode was so screaming SJW I never got past it and I love BBC sci fi and fantasy.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 12:17 PM  

I thought GotG was an excellent movie I am a lifelong fan of Capt America and I think it was technically better done. Better fight choreography, better lines, and Robert Redford as a villain. I am also a huge Falcon fan. The action scenes were just a hair better in Winter Soldier imho.

Anonymous dh July 24, 2015 12:30 PM  

VD,

Thanks - I agree with these recommendations and just filled out my ballot. Also, just co-incidentally, my wife did, both of my daughters, two of their friends, and my dog mostly agreed, but she really enjoyed "Skin Game". No accounting for taste!

Blogger Mathew Moravek July 24, 2015 12:30 PM  

Agh, my ballot stopped loading at Best Fancast http://sasquan.org/hugo-awards/voting/ Anyone else have this issue? I'm using Chrome. I'll try refreshing...

Blogger Mathew Moravek July 24, 2015 12:31 PM  

Would love to see Disqus used on this blog!

Blogger David-093 July 24, 2015 12:33 PM  

Guardians of the Galaxy was awesome. If you didn't enjoy it, you're just not human.

Blogger Jack Aubrey July 24, 2015 12:38 PM  

Would love to see Disqus used on this blog!

You obviously aren't an IOS/Chrome user.

On topic, it is statistically improbable just how close this slate is to mine. VD must have hacked my Sasquan account!

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 24, 2015 12:38 PM  

Sorry to repeat this question, but what happened to the Graphic Novel nomination of "The Zombie Nation Book #2: Reduce Reuse Reanimate"?

It was on the Rabid Puppy nomination list and it's on the ballot ... so why No Award?

Blogger Philip Sandifer July 24, 2015 12:40 PM  

Why did you put works in "Best Short Story" and "Best Graphic Story" on your nomination slate that you subsequently excluded from your Hugo ballot?

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 24, 2015 12:43 PM  

You've taken 'No Award' off your ballot in the Novel category. Was that intentional? (Did John C. Wright change your mind about no-award-ing 'Ancillary Sword'?)

Anonymous Dream Weaver July 24, 2015 12:44 PM  

"much less a direct order by the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil to his 390 Vile Faceless Minions or anyone else."

Vox Day stars in Despicable Me Part III: Minions' Revenge.

Anonymous Book_Girl July 24, 2015 12:45 PM  

Best novel vote went to "Skin Game". I love the Dresden Files and think this was probably his best book in the whole series, with the exception of "Changes". I liked "The Three Body Problem", but I guess I am just a bigger fan of fantasy than I am of Sci-Fi. I truly enjoyed "Skin Game" so much more.

Also, best movie is "Interstellar", hands down.

Other than that though, it appears Vox and I have the same taste in works of fantasy and sci-fi. Weird, eh?

Blogger Mathew Moravek July 24, 2015 12:47 PM  

Well I refreshed and it showed the bottom 5 but hid the 5 above that! Jesus...I guess I'll try a different browser otherwise I'll have to email. I let them know. I suggest others report anything fishy as well as we don't want any ballots spoiled. Also get the word out to people to get their vote in! I haven't heard from Sasquan at all about voting lately. Hopefully they'll send something out in the next couple days. I mentioned that to them as well.


@Jack Chrome yes but IOS hell no.

Anonymous Rolan July 24, 2015 12:52 PM  

Vox, from what I've read from Castalia House (Awake in the Night Land and the Hugo nominies), the one thing I've noticed is that all of them consistently could benefit from better editing.

Do you geniuinely believe you are a better editor than Broznek, Schmidt and Resnick, or is this just to spit in the proverbial SJW eye?

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 12:56 PM  

It was on the Rabid Puppy nomination list and it's on the ballot ... so why No Award?

It is my gift to les chiots incendiaires. They wanted to burn down everything. I gave them one category this year. I am kind.

Why did you put works in "Best Short Story" and "Best Graphic Story" on your nomination slate that you subsequently excluded from your Hugo ballot?

To protest the shameless federal theft of land from the American Indians.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) July 24, 2015 12:58 PM  

I bought copies of both Interstellar and Guardians, love them both. Day after tomorrow was excellent. Lego movie was funny - but broke my suspension of disbelief by the crammed in dad-and-son storyline.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 1:02 PM  

the one thing I've noticed is that all of them consistently could benefit from better editing

In your opinion. You also have no idea what you're talking about as you have no idea what the stories looked like at the start.

Do you geniuinely believe you are a better editor than Broznek, Schmidt and Resnick, or is this just to spit in the proverbial SJW eye?

Without question. Simply compare the quality of the anthology to the quality of the short form collections they put together. Or ask John C. Wright. I suspect you don't understand grok the fullness of what a short-form editor does.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 July 24, 2015 1:06 PM  

19. Philip Sandifer

Why did you put works in "Best Short Story" and "Best Graphic Story" on your nomination slate that you subsequently excluded from your Hugo ballot?

Maybe it's bait for the discerning SJW. The graphic novels are truly bottom of the barrel, treasonous, racist SJWism. No Award is doing their authors and publishers a favor. I was going to recommend this move as well, but that would be stepping out of character, being faceless and all.

Mildly OT- Can you, Mr. Sandifer, either put together or direct us to a comprehensive listing of the Social Justice Creed? (Or whatever you call it.)

Gloriously OT- http://descmath.com/diag/tale.html
http://descmath.com/diag/gal.html
"it is difficult to distinguish a property of infinity from the tools used to investigate infinity."

http://descmath.com/diag/dialectics.html
"The oppositional programs often gained a devote following by providing adherents with [magnificent] powers. Hegel promised this his "scientific" method would allow leaders to predict and control the forces of history. Marx promised his followers that they would lead the oppressed to a workers' paradise. Freud promised the ability to see others' hidden motives, and Cantor promised the ability to see infinity...
... The single most interesting thing about transfinite theory was that the discovery of a paradox at the basis of the theory did not result in the great academic deliberation. Instead it propelled the theory in the stratosphere.

All the people fascinated with paradoxes came out of the woodwork to add their humorous twist to the liar's paradox.

As for those intellectuals with a totalitarian mindset, the fact that there was now both a false dichotomy and a paradox at the foundations of mathematics and logic was a God send.

As Zeno realized in ancient Greece, once you have a paradox at the meta level, you become invincible."

Blogger Pseudotsuga July 24, 2015 1:25 PM  

I completed my voting today. Some things I couldn't honestly vote for (i.e. I haven't seen all the films on the ballot, or the artists' work).
For some categories I think our host is wrong, but I agree with his "no award" for the Graphic Novels. The ones on the ballot were the best they could do this year? Is the snarky, sex-ridden grotesquery an example of the best art and writing in the field?
Apparently, if you lean SJW, then it is. (Just ask George R.R.R.R R. Martin.)

Anonymous FP July 24, 2015 1:32 PM  

"You say "quite campy" as if it is a good thing. When I think of "award-winning SF" I don't think of "campy". Also, not really SF."

Agreed. I found it amusing but its not SF. It is a kids movie.

I'd vote Lego over Interstellar though. I couldn't take it seriously after their first planet choice.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 1:34 PM  

Vox - Have you considered going the George C. Scott route regarding your up coming award? Maybe Russell Means or Leonard Peltier could say something?

Blogger tweell July 24, 2015 1:37 PM  

I could not vote for most movies/TV episodes since I did not see them. In addition, I had to vote for Skin Game (The Three Body Solution's subatomic supercontrolling supercomputer at the end cost it IMHO), but otherwise, my votes were remarkably similar.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 1:41 PM  

Have you considered going the George C. Scott route regarding your upcoming award?

If I thought there was any serious chance I was going to win, I would have arranged for MercedesXXX to accept for me while wearing an Indian headdress and very little else.

Blogger Jack Aubrey July 24, 2015 1:45 PM  

Or you could go the Marlon Brando route. I wonder what Sacheen Littlefeather is doing these days?

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 1:49 PM  

Vox - I think many would salute that acceptance speech standing firm with Ms MercedesXXX. We would be rock solid in our appreciation of her (and your) talents.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 24, 2015 1:49 PM  

What are the actual chances of this being nuked by those 'abstain' chicanery artists? Does it seem unlikely now?

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 2:01 PM  

"Vox, from what I've read from Castalia House (Awake in the Night Land and the Hugo nominies), the one thing I've noticed is that all of them consistently could benefit from better editing. "

...

You think Awake in the Night Land needed better editing?


Blogger VD July 24, 2015 2:03 PM  

You think Awake in the Night Land needed better editing?

A fascinating claim, as all four parts had been previously edited, including by Gardner Dozois.

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 2:05 PM  

"A fascinating claim, as all four parts had been previously edited, including by Gardner Dozois."

Its a fascinating claim... because its one of the 50 or so greatest books I've ever read.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 2:06 PM  

What are the actual chances of this being nuked by those 'abstain' chicanery artists? Does it seem unlikely now?

It's hard to say. It depends on who most of the supporting members support, RP/SP or the SJWs. I'd say 70-30 most categories are no awarded. Which is absolutely fine; that was the original RP objective. I was convinced to support the SP objective of trying to save science fiction from the SJWs, which I have done.

I have zero problem with the SJWs doing our job for us.

Anonymous Jack Ward July 24, 2015 2:28 PM  

Most of my ballot already filled in. The two major surprise of the The Dark Lords ballot was not making Interstellar #1 and the vote for best new author. I will not be changing my vote for Interstellar or Rolf Nelson; unless there is something I'm missing here.

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 July 24, 2015 2:31 PM  

I would have arranged for MercedesXXX to accept for me while wearing an Indian headdress and very little else

Surely this can be worked into the Tor boycott somehow.

Anonymous Rolan July 24, 2015 2:31 PM  

Re: Night Lands, some were better than others. I recall the last story being particularly badly edited. I can't imagine Last of All Suns was edited by Dozois.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 2:35 PM  

Re: Night Lands, some were better than others.

And the goalposts move....

Anonymous Rolan July 24, 2015 2:37 PM  

Well, being the last story, it's the one that leaves the last impression.

I'll have to see if I can find who edited what.

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 2:38 PM  

" I recall the last story being particularly badly edited. I can't imagine Last of All Suns was edited by Dozois. "

Dude. Just stop. You're making an idiot of yourself.

Anonymous Rolan July 24, 2015 2:38 PM  

Also, Nate's out of his mind, or he's only ready 75 to 80 books. But to each their own.

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 2:45 PM  

***chuckle*** I've got a book collection that I would wager rivals anyone's... vox being one notable exception. It has everything from Pantagruel and Gargantua to The Peloponnesian War to Nana.

Awake in the Night Land is absolutely on par with the great works. To degenerate it doesn't defile the work. It defiles the fool who dares to do so.

Blogger MendoScot July 24, 2015 2:48 PM  

Do you want copies of the ballot confirmations for the post-game stats?

Blogger MendoScot July 24, 2015 2:51 PM  

OT for LOLs - Milo's moonlanding satire:

Thump went on: “Let’s get real. Until a woman has been to the moon can we honestly say humanity has even left this planet? I think not. Buzz Aldrin should check his privilege.”

Anonymous Jack Ward July 24, 2015 2:59 PM  

From the Hugo site, membership this year is at 10036. Hoo Rah.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 3:00 PM  

Do you want copies of the ballot confirmations for the post-game stats?

No need. We can tell from the votes.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 3:01 PM  

I'll have to see if I can find who edited what.

You've already beclowned yourself. We already know all of that.

Blogger automattthew July 24, 2015 3:02 PM  

SJWs always beclown themselves.

Blogger automattthew July 24, 2015 3:02 PM  

That's basically an emergent property of the Three Laws.

Anonymous Huckleberry (#87) -- est. 1977 July 24, 2015 3:14 PM  

Well, being the last story, it's the one that leaves the last impression

And that impression was what, exactly?
You've been marvelously vague, even with your one articulated point, being that VD must be a terrible editor, Because Impressions.
Oddly, the exact line of attack the SJWs use when they fake-review things they don't like and have no intention of actually reading.

Anonymous JD July 24, 2015 3:29 PM  

I believe Rolan is talking about copy-editing and proofreading. This is indeed distinct from acquisitions and developmental editing (which are far more important).

But the proofreading in the CH works I have read is bad, even by mainstream-publisher standards (which have slipped over the last couple of decades). It was particularly annoying when I was reading "The Last of All Suns" - like seeing a beautiful woman in a dirty dress. It doesn't affect the quality of the story itself, of course, but it's distracting if you're someone who notices it when the wrong homophone is used.

Blogger automattthew July 24, 2015 3:59 PM  

JD @57: It was particularly annoying when I was reading "The Last of All Suns" - like seeing a beautiful woman in a dirty dress. It doesn't affect the quality of the story itself, of course, but it's distracting if you're someone who notices it when the wrong homophone is used.

You submitted an error report, yes? Of course?

Blogger Groot July 24, 2015 4:02 PM  

The long-form Dramatic Presentation about the tree was excellent.

1. Giuseppe The Kurgan: "one in a minion!" A brazilian to one against.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 4:17 PM  

But the proofreading in the CH works I have read is bad, even by mainstream-publisher standards (which have slipped over the last couple of decades).

Almost certainly untrue. We have fewer errors in the sum total of the 001 versions than exist in any of the other self-published books we sell, and considerably fewer than the 130 average that were in the professionally edited, line-edited, and proofread Eternal Warriors novels published by Simon and Schuster more than a decade ago that we converted into ebooks.

I'm not saying our books are perfectly clean. But also unlike most publishers, we take an iterative approach to our ebooks. A THRONE OF BONES is up to version 010 now. And since we do ebooks first, most of our print editions are unusually clean by comparison. I have the lists of errors that people have sent us. There are more than we would like, but I doubt there are even 50 per book total, except for ATOB.

The last time I called someone on this, I dared him to name a professionally published book on the spot for comparison. He did. I found five errors on the first three pages of the hardcover. Most likely, you skim past errors in mainstream published books while noting them in independently published books.

But by all means, feel free to send us a list of them. We'll fix them immediately, update the books, and send you the cleaned-up copy. Do other publishers do that?

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 4:20 PM  

I believe Rolan is talking about copy-editing and proofreading.

I suspect you are correct here. And you are correct to note that there are other, more important, aspects of being a short-form editor. In fact, one can reasonably question whether those are even relevant to the category, considering that most major publishers have copy-editors and proofreaders who are not the people up for the awards.

Blogger automattthew July 24, 2015 4:24 PM  

copy-editing and proofreading

Not to disparage these tasks, or their performers (having been one), but these are things that (unless egregiously neglected) do not have much effect on the quality of the story. A statue by Michelangelo will still be beautiful, even if its surface is pitted.

Blogger automatthew July 24, 2015 4:34 PM  

Vox @60: Most likely, you skim past errors in mainstream published books while noting them in independently published books.

The format of the book can make a big difference. In my personal experience, I find I notice errors less in finely printed physical copies. They stand out to the eye in ebooks and mass market paperbacks of poor quality. So: it's still prejudice, but perhaps not related to the indie aspect.

Blogger Groot July 24, 2015 4:35 PM  

28. Forrest Bishop VFM #0167
"Gloriously OT"

Darn you! It's like a kitten and string.

"MAJOR PRINCIPLE 2: There is no way to uniquely express an infinite number of things with a finite number of characters." Integers: an infinite number of things expressed with a finite number of characters.

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 4:38 PM  

hey.. matthew... I need you to email me your address... turns out I have something to ship to you of some import

Blogger automatthew July 24, 2015 4:41 PM  

Okay, but only cis-hookers allowed, Nate.

Anonymous Testify! July 24, 2015 4:55 PM  

I sat down and cast my Hugo ballots tonight, just an hour ago, online. Naturally, I voted for myself wherever possible.

Sorry, Col Kratman, but I thought you were not interested in the award anyway.

And I voted for my editor Vox Day, who as far as I am concerned, is the best editor I have ever worked with. Although my several other editors, including George RR Martin (who has forgotten he and I worked together to our mutual satisfaction) were kind enough, and professional and thorough, and I am grateful to them, none of the others made specific suggestions that specifically improved my work, or discussed my works with me, other than the very minimum.


John C. Wright

July 22, 2015

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 24, 2015 4:58 PM  

@automattthew:

You submitted an error report, yes? Of course?

(sigh) Okay, okay, I'll send them in a few hours.

(Thanks for the kick in the buttt, though. I needed that.)

Anonymous Viidad July 24, 2015 5:01 PM  

The graphic novels were shit. Just wanted to get that out there.

Total, utter, steaming, piles of shitty shit with shit on the side.

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 24, 2015 5:05 PM  

Not glorious, but OT:

"Nobody wants to take your guns away"

"Nobody wants to take your guns away"

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 5:20 PM  

"The graphic novels were shit. Just wanted to get that out there."

they really were shit.

In fact I think pretty much all GNs are shit

Anonymous Steve July 24, 2015 5:26 PM  

Jack Ward - From the Hugo site, membership this year is at 10036. Hoo Rah.

Holy Rocketships! That's well over $400,000 in membership fees alone. Not bad for what is usually a small boutique convention.

Do the Sasquan guys get to keep the profits?

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 5:28 PM  

Holy Rocketships! That's well over $400,000 in membership fees alone. Not bad for what is usually a small boutique convention.

It's also a powerful argument for reducing the membership fees to encourage greater voter participation.

Blogger automatthew July 24, 2015 5:28 PM  

Vox, might be worth posting a brief note on how to helpfully format an error report for a book.

For my part, I would want the report to contain, for each error,

* a blurb about the nature of the error
* a sizeable block of the original text
* the same block with the error corrected

Blogger automatthew July 24, 2015 5:31 PM  

Nate @71: In fact I think pretty much all GNs are shit

You know what would make for a good graphic novel?

The Stars Came Back.

Blogger David-093 July 24, 2015 5:33 PM  

I've read most of CH's books and I can't remember ever thinking it could use more proof-reading.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 July 24, 2015 5:37 PM  

69. Viidad

The graphic novels were shit. Just wanted to get that out there.

Total, utter, steaming, piles of shitty shit with shit on the side.


Yeah. I started a turd-by-turd review but the stench was just too overpowering. Had to toss the whole thing onto the compost pile. Curious that one house has more than one nomination- almost like they gamed the system.

Anonymous Mr zen0 July 24, 2015 5:41 PM  

Viidad@69
> The graphic novels were shit.


Ms zen0 was a librarian when graphic novels began appearing in the library collection. She thought they were all shit as well.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 5:55 PM  

how to helpfully format an error report for a book.

Demand unified diffs, preferably in patch files.

Blogger VD July 24, 2015 5:56 PM  

Vox, might be worth posting a brief note on how to helpfully format an error report for a book.

Send a list once you're done. Each error should contain at least three words, which can contain the error. That's all we need.

Blogger Groot July 24, 2015 6:02 PM  

"when the wrong homophone is used"
Is that when BGS uses Milo's iPhone by mistake?

Blogger GK Chesterton July 24, 2015 6:04 PM  

Can someone spiol "The Dark Between the Stars" for me? So I don't feel compelled to finish reading it? It has all the small time nonesense of Goblin Emperor but Gobilin was at least fun to read (yes the boy was a wimp, but given his upbringing I think that is expected and people did revolt for that reason).

Blogger Torial (#170) July 24, 2015 6:16 PM  

@75 - I agree completely. GN or TV series (w/ tight reins)

Blogger Jeff Weimer July 24, 2015 6:34 PM  

I thought it was just me that the GNs were uniformly awful. I think there's a good chance that category will go No Award this year.

Anonymous Anonymous July 24, 2015 9:02 PM  

It's also a powerful argument for reducing the membership fees to encourage greater voter participation.

How so, the numbers are on par with last year.

Blogger bob k. mando July 24, 2015 9:31 PM  

16. David-093 July 24, 2015 12:33 PM
Guardians of the Galaxy was awesome. If you didn't enjoy it, you're just not human.



i don't remember ever claiming to be human.



33. VD July 24, 2015 1:41 PM
If I thought there was any serious chance I was going to win, I would have arranged for MercedesXXX to accept for me while wearing an Indian headdress and very little else.



Rutan is local to Sasquan, has ties to the space program through SpaceX and would splodey all their little SJW, leftist heads if he took the opportunity of accepting the award to make one of his anti-AGW presentations.

yeah, you're right, go with naked Mercedes.

the things she could do onstage with the Hugo ...

Blogger Rantor July 24, 2015 9:33 PM  

Vote cast.

Blogger Rantor July 24, 2015 9:41 PM  

And to pile on to whoever the idiot was, Awake in the Night Land was great in so many ways. John caught the style, environment and story of the original while leaving most of the tedium behind. Lovekraft would approve. I remain impressed by John's writing skill, impressed by his vocabulary, and in awe of his knowledge of history and philosophy. I was going to lay it on more thickly but it is time to go to bed. Good night Ilk, puppies, lurkers and evil trolls.

Anonymous Rolf July 24, 2015 9:42 PM  

Number four!? Oh, I a simply crushed... Positively devastated.
Quickly, my fainting couch! Ohhhhh..... My hopes dashed, my future in ruins!
/swoons/
/waits/
/whispers out of the corner of mouth/ "or was that too over the top?"

:-)

To be honest, given the totality of the situation, being on the ballot at all is kind of funny, and any place is worthy of great humor.
Win? Unlikely, but quite the poke in the eye to SJWs.
2nd? Almost as unlikely, but that means I placed ahead of others. Whoo-hoo!
Anyplace above Noah Ward? CHORFS will crap their pants.
Below it? There is some pretty good company when it's earned for political reasons (and I'm STILL ahead of everyone that isn't even on the ballot! :-) Being "6th of 2" or something along those lines would be great conversation piece.

And assuming you mean what I think you mean, Jack (41), thank you.

Automatthew (75), yes, I think it would, now that you mention it. Never really thought about it - I was thinking movie - but yeah, it would (with the right artist, of course). Be a darn long one, though, or a series.

Anonymous Jack Ward July 24, 2015 9:53 PM  

Yeah, I means it Rolf. Vox can fly a kite for all I care; it's my ballot darn it...

Anonymous JD July 24, 2015 10:11 PM  

You submitted an error report, yes? Of course?

Of course not. This is a bit of customer feedback in the middle of a comment, not an offer to first figure out how to "submit an error report" and then transcribe dozens or hundreds of minor errors.

If you prefer to ignore the observation since it didn't come with an offer to personally help proofread, that's certainly your right. I am a customer of CH, who enjoys the books I've purchased. I found the error rate high enough to be distracting. Take that for whatever it may be worth to you.

Blogger automatthew July 24, 2015 10:18 PM  

JD @91,

You're sincerity is overwhelming and now Im convinced. Thank you merchant, your are greatest ally.

Anonymous Stilicho July 24, 2015 10:39 PM  

Well, that was fun, even if the lamentations of the women started a bit early in the process... a funny thing about the grass hut crowd trying to burn down western civilization is that grass huts burn so easily themselves.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 24, 2015 11:23 PM  

@91: Dozens or hundreds? Hmm. I didn't see that many in 'One Bright Star', 'Big Boys Don't Cry', 'City Beyond Time', and 'The Book of Feasts and Seasons' combined when I bought and read them in March. (I remember that there were four typo-ish issues in all of BBDC, but I don't think I marked them at the time.)

@92: Good one. I guess we were a litttle too subtle for them earlier.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 24, 2015 11:46 PM  

You think Awake in the Night Land needed better editing?

Nate, it did. It does. One story has a section repeated verbatim from another. It's as if Mr. Wright cut and pasted one page from an earlier section of the book into the current one. While I purchased the CH edition to give as gifts, my own copy doesn't have that story so it's not an easy check for me (I'm not being coy) Until Wright or VD fix it, I'm not adding the CH edition to my personal library.

So Helenof Troy has a pimple. She's still more lovely than the Brittiney Speares on parade. VD gets my vote for being the only editor. with the sense to snap up JCW.

Blogger automatthew July 25, 2015 12:25 AM  

"One story has a section repeated verbatim from another."

Which? Where? Let's help CH fix it instead of just scoobiusing about.

Blogger automatthew July 25, 2015 12:28 AM  

My hardcover of Awake is approximately 5 feet away from me right now. If someone can only tell me which story has a repeated section, or any other solecism, I will spend the time to find it.

OpenID gregq July 25, 2015 3:07 AM  

1: Sasquan was able to rent the whole convention center thanks to the increased number of Supporting members. So we definitely made a difference.

2: I think that the vast majority of the "extra" SMs are GG types who were drawn in by the combo anti-SP anti-GG attacks. I think the SJWs will get crushed in the voting. But hey, in ~three weeks, we'll know.

3: Voting: tl;dr: 1: If you don't think a work is Hugo Award worthy, put "No Award" on your ballot after the last work you approve of, and leave everything else off. 2: It's not worth the effort to try to "game" teh system. Vote teh works in the order you rank them, and let the chips fall where tehy may.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 4:39 AM  

One story has a section repeated verbatim from another. It's as if Mr. Wright cut and pasted one page from an earlier section of the book into the current one.

That was fixed almost immediately. It's been fixed for months. It's not in the hardcover. Shoot me an email and let me know if you prefer epub or mobi. You can verify for yourself.

This is a bit of customer feedback in the middle of a comment, not an offer to first figure out how to "submit an error report" and then transcribe dozens or hundreds of minor errors.

And that's fine. We don't expect everyone to submit bug reports. But you clearly didn't realize that we a) take the same iterative approach to books that we do to games, and b) respond very quickly to all reported errors.

For example, Somewhither will be updated to version 002 by the end of this weekend now that we've got enough bug reports in to justify updating it.

Blogger James Jones July 25, 2015 5:00 AM  


Thump went on: “Let’s get real. Until a woman has been to the moon can we honestly say humanity has even left this planet? I think not. Buzz Aldrin should check his privilege.”

- Mendoscot


Actually, the reason we haven't put a woman on the moon is because there's nothing there that needs cleaning.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 25, 2015 5:05 AM  

You say "quite campy" as if it is a good thing. When I think of "award-winning SF" I don't think of "campy". Also, not really SF.

I grant the latter, which is why I asked. I liked the former. The Princess Bride was also campy, but quite funny. It would be more fantasy of course.

I am not sure what I would categorize the Lego Movie as. Only a couple of things were SF, though it was more SF than "If You Were a Dinosaur My Love." Not that such is saying much.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 25, 2015 11:42 AM  

@71 Nate,
All Gn? Damn... I knew rednecks were illiterate, but illgraphic too? You never read Slaine the horned god or the dark knight returns, or Djinn, or..hell I can go on...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 25, 2015 3:31 PM  

voted SJWs just suck it would you

Blogger Calvin Dodge July 25, 2015 5:24 PM  

Done, with minor modifications ("Skin Game" instead of the tedious "SJWs in China", #4 fanzine Uncle Timmy)

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 8:07 PM  


"Nate, it did. It does. One story has a section repeated verbatim from another. "

To be honest that was one of my favorite parts... I had taken it to describe the cyclical nature of time in the world building... and it made the Last of All Suns all the more powerful. I hope they didn't change it to much.

Anonymous Dream Weaver July 25, 2015 10:47 PM  

"Best Editor, Long Form
1. Toni Weisskopf
2. Anne Sowards
3. Jim Minz
4. Vox Day
5. Sheila Gilbert"

Aw, hell, Vox, you should have just voted for yourself in this editing category too! That way you have more of a chance of winning TWO Hugos. Twice as hilarious seeing how you legally gamed their system.

Anonymous Zion's Paladin (VFM #122) July 27, 2015 3:18 AM  

Mistress Malwyn was highly reluctant to let me get away from cleaning her whip collection to vote until I told her it was on the Dark Lord's ord, er...suggestion.

Only change I made was to vote Transhuman over Hot Equations.

Blogger John Wright July 27, 2015 3:33 AM  

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Blogger redlegben July 28, 2015 11:37 PM  

Done deal. VFM #380.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 30, 2015 3:39 AM  

One story has a section repeated verbatim from another. It's as if Mr. Wright cut and pasted one page from an earlier section of the book into the current one.

That was fixed almost immediately. It's been fixed for months. It's not in the hardcover. Shoot me an email and let me know if you prefer epub or mobi. You can verify for yourself./I>

Good to know. Makes me much happier about thOne story has a section repeated verbatim from another. It's as if Mr. Wright cut and pasted one page from an earlier section of the book into the current one.

That was fixed almost immediately. It's been fixed for months. It's not in the hardcover. Shoot me an email and let me know if you prefer epub or mobi. You can verify for yourself.


Good to know: makes me much happier about all the hardcover copies I bought as gifts and requested the library system purchase.

No need to verify. You've shewn your word is good. I'll pick up my own hardcover next time I put in an Amazon order.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 30, 2015 3:40 AM  

Mi dispiace. All duplication and khreppe above are mine not VD.

Blogger Stephen St. Onge July 30, 2015 6:30 PM  

I sent Vox a list of errors I'd found while reading THERE WILL BE WAR Vol. 2, most of which seemed obvious optical scan problems, and got a response the next day. Every other publisher I've dealt with, I get no response, and the same errors are there years later.

I liked SKIN GAME better than THREE BODY, and DARK BETWEEN than GOBLIN. Some tough choices there, though.

Almost all the novellas are award worthy, and were quite hard to choose among.

Novelette and Short Story were disappointing. "Championship B'tok" would have easily been #1 if it were a story, instead of an aborted beginning. I'll look for the novel.

I skipped many of the others, as I don't listen to podcasts, watch TV, or go the movies anymore, and seldom read fanzines.

Whatever happens, we live in interesting Hugo times.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 30, 2015 11:31 PM  

VFM #388 Reporting In - voting done; hard to suppress evil maniacal laugh.

I'm glad I'm not the only one put off by the graphic novels. It seems no one here liked them either. Just skimming them turned my stomach.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 July 31, 2015 8:52 AM  

Can't wait to do this again next year. Best 40$ spent this summer.

Anonymous James Parliament July 31, 2015 11:40 AM  

Done did it.

OpenID ymarsakar July 31, 2015 7:12 PM  

The Dark Between the Stars is a direct sequel, little time gap from the Seven Suns saga. I think it was getting into the same multi perspective problem that Weber has now. The number of separate viewpoints really fractures the story and makes it hard to maintain continuity from one viewpoint to another. Especially if their story lines are not intertwined yet.

If the story lines were melted together and each perspective read from beginning to end individually, it would be great and a novel. As it is, it feels more like a lot of short stories connected by one universe and plot. So Hidden Empire, the first novel where he laid out the universe, felt much better and whole.

Blogger maniacprovost August 01, 2015 1:55 AM  

Aw, hell, Vox, you should have just voted for yourself in this editing category too!

I thought his rankings were quite fair, given the wonderful collections and the monstrosity (he didn't edit) that was Victoria. Well, first you do a mainstream movie, then you do the indie movie because your friend is directing it and says you owe him.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 01, 2015 10:27 PM  

Dark Between the Stars was a make-up Hugo. If Willis and Asaro can get them, so can Anderson. Sauce for the goose. My household's (2 votes) pick for #2 slot.

OpenID ymarsakar August 02, 2015 6:05 PM  

Goblin Emperor was a pretty good read and listen to.

I checked Sad Puppies and it didn't appear on there. A mixed race leader that begins to worry about what people think of him, transforming into something else later on, reminds me of the political deals going on in this Byzantine Hugo front in the larger war the Leftist alliance wages against humanity.

Charles E. Gannon has been doing some good work, although doesn't like he made the nomination list.

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