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Friday, July 03, 2015

Karma

It's wise to always mind your tongue and be certain that you mean what you say. Fate sometimes has a cruel way of forcing one to confront one's own words in unexpected ways:
"That young men succeed in suicide more often than girls isn't really the point. Indeed, the more callous among us would say that it was quite nice for young men finally to find something that they're better at than girls....

 "The last time I suggested that suicides should be left to get on with it, I received a small number of letters from people whose sons had killed themselves. All of them demanded an apology. I'd advise them this time to save their stamps because, you see, I don't care. I don't care because most nights of the week I still dream of my dad, who I saw waste away almost to nothing, eaten alive by the tumours that were his retirement gift for working with asbestos. Every day, as his legs went, as his sight went, my dad would declare that tomorrow he would be taking the dog out; he clung to life like a dog playing tug-of-war for the biggest, juiciest raw steak in the world.

"To ask me to feel sympathy with suicides after witnessing this is, I suggest, just as unfeeling and ignorant as my callousness must appear to you - like asking a starving African to sympathise with an anorexic. In a society still beset with the most vicious social deprivation and rampant cruelty to the very young, the very old and the very weak, the voluntary exits of a few hundred able-bodied young men each year are best dealt with as private tragedies rather than a public concern. Let them go.
- Julie Burchill, 16 October, 1999

This week writer Julie Burchill felt the full force of that hurt when her son, Jack, committed suicide aged just 29. Ms Burchill 55, announced the news on her Facebook page yesterday in an emotional tribute in which she blamed herself for failing him.
- 1 July 2015
It might be tempting to feel a sense of schadenfreude at Ms Burchill experiencing the full force of the pain that she derided and dismissed so cruelly in others. But it's much better to learn from her example rather than repeat it.

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124 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous July 03, 2015 2:36 PM  

respectfully disagree. I think it is completely appropriate to learn the lesson, but to also delight in chickens coming home to roost.

I completely feel sorry for that kid or man (don't know sons age) but for her all I feel is contempt.

Amicus_C

Blogger cavalier973 July 03, 2015 2:40 PM  

I'm going to take a wild guess on the son's age and say...29?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 03, 2015 2:41 PM  

Lots of people confuse solipsism with self reflection. But there's a difference between looking into onesself honestly, and just navel-gazing. Pity the glitterati are all about the one, and apparently not capable of the other.

Anonymous BGS July 03, 2015 2:41 PM  

"That young men succeed in suicide more often than girls isn't really the point. Indeed, the more callous among us would say that it was quite nice for young men finally to find something that they're better at than girls"

No wonder her son killed himself, he must have read this. She probably didn't teach him any logic that would have let him argue where are these high achieving women throughout history.

Anonymous Anonymous July 03, 2015 2:44 PM  

@Cavalier yes I did skim had already read it elsewhere, rookie mistake I know.

@BGS she lost custody of this kid to her ex. from other sources doesn't seem like they had much contact.

Amicus_C

Blogger luagha July 03, 2015 2:46 PM  

From later:

"Jack Landesman was Burchill’s son from her second marriage, to the American-born writer Cosmo Landesman, now 60.

She lost custody of the boy when he was eight after she left Mr Landesman, having started an affair in 1995 with Charlotte Raven, an intern on Modern Review, the magazine she had founded with her husband and the journalist Toby Young."

I don't really need to get into pop psychology diagnosis from afar to officially call this lady 'a piece of work.'


Blogger kh123 July 03, 2015 2:46 PM  

It's one thing to have that aspect of silent contemplation when it's at a distance; it's another when it's a bit closer to home I'd imagine.

"...she blamed herself for failing him," which sort of lays flat everything else she'd written on the subject. Even if only in the moment, she can at least admit that much, I'll give her that. Solipsism's a bit stronger in others.

Blogger cavalier973 July 03, 2015 2:46 PM  

"Indeed, the more callous among us would say that it was quite nice for young men finally to find something that they're better at than girls...."


Her son just couldn't live up to the standards set by his imaginary lesbian sister living in his mother's head.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Burchill

Blogger luagha July 03, 2015 2:48 PM  

"But he was to come back into her life, and Miss Burchill said recently that Jack had been living with her ‘more or less’ since he was 16."

So the kid was yanked between families and houses hard twice, then soft over and over in his teen years, which is when he became 'troubled'.


Anonymous Steve July 03, 2015 2:51 PM  

God help her, and the bereaved father too. Nobody deserves to see their own child in an early grave.

Blogger Jason Roberts July 03, 2015 2:54 PM  

She'll probably follow suit shortly.

Blogger kh123 July 03, 2015 2:59 PM  

...The trick now is whether or not that solipsism - and it seemed quite a mighty hamster previous to this - will win out.

But, I'm an optimist. If hubris on horseback who breathes violence towards Christians can be made to fall off and, in the end, become a devoted leader of - and willing to die in prison for - the community that he once destroyed, then anything's possible.

Anonymous BGS July 03, 2015 3:00 PM  

@BGS she lost custody of this kid to her ex. from other sources doesn't seem like they had much contact.

How bad of a person is she that the justice system actually favored the father?

Blogger The Deuce July 03, 2015 3:00 PM  

in which she blamed herself for failing him

Normally I'd tell family members of suicides not to do that, that it isn't their fault, etc. But in this case, yeah it kind of is.

Anonymous clk July 03, 2015 3:02 PM  

When these sort of stories come into your awarness you should look inward and see if there is something to be found of yourself in them. Some lesson that the universe wants you to learn... no one needs me to point out the similarities of harshness of whats was written above to things that have been written here.

Always good to see actions of the holy spirit at work ....

Anonymous Trimegistus July 03, 2015 3:08 PM  

I have tremendous sympathy for her family, and naturally one grieves for a young man who took his own life. But sympathy for her? Nope. Not gonna happen. She forfeited that.

Anonymous Scintan July 03, 2015 3:08 PM  

My prayers go out to all those who are impacted by the man's suicide, but I doubt that the mother will learn the appropriate lessons from this tragedy.

Anonymous Geoff July 03, 2015 3:10 PM  

I used to have a somewhat cavalier attitude about suicide but the more I learned about depression, the more I realized just how unbelievably nasty it can be. I wouldn't wish depression on anyone.

Anonymous T July 03, 2015 3:13 PM  

She gleefully told boys and men to just suck it up, and now she reaps the whirlwind.

The message she had for us is "You're living in this lily-gilded new world whether you like it or not, and you're by the way, it's mandated that you wear this helmet and knee pads."

Even then, unless the males actually kill themselves out of misery, their sorrow is to be ignored and discounted, and even when the suicide numbers make them look bad, it's to be waved away as a private concern only.

Just unbelievable. I feel terrible for her son. What a bad roll of the dice his mother turned out to be. Let me guess, his father wasn't a part of his life, either some cocky deadbeat or a NiceGuy she ran off because she don't need no man.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami July 03, 2015 3:15 PM  

It might be tempting to feel a sense of schadenfreude at Ms Burchill

It's not a question of temptation. The feeling arises quite naturally, upon reading the punchline.

Anonymous T July 03, 2015 3:32 PM  

From the Daily Mail piece:

She once described him as her Achilles’ heel — the one person capable of hurting her because she loved him so much.

This woman was sick. That's her idea of a compliment?

Even when she's pretending to care about others, she can only see it in terms of her own power.

Anonymous fish July 03, 2015 3:33 PM  

This week writer Julie Burchill felt the full force of that hurt when her son, Jack, committed suicide aged just 29. Ms Burchill 55, announced the news on her Facebook page yesterday in an emotional tribute in which she blamed herself for failing him.

Yes, yes.....the emotional tribute on her Facebook page....just another opportunity to make the event about Julie.

Blogger El Borak July 03, 2015 3:40 PM  

"...she blamed herself for failing him," which sort of lays flat everything else she'd written on the subject. Even if only in the moment, she can at least admit that much, I'll give her that. Solipsism's a bit stronger in others.

Or perhaps even after a grown man took his own life, she still makes it about herself. Solipsism is pretty strong here, too.

Blogger Torial (#170) July 03, 2015 3:50 PM  

VD - aren't you dangerously close to losing that AWCA with a non-schadenfreude reaction like this? NM, I just realized you'd never get justly deserved credit from SJWs for treating a situation like this with respect.

Anonymous Joyce July 03, 2015 4:03 PM  

Okay... I'm sure she would stick to her statement. We shouldn't care if her middle class white son kills himself.

Blogger Markku July 03, 2015 4:05 PM  

There is no fucking way I wouldn't feel schadenfreude. No matter how hard I tried - even if I scourged myself like Opus Dei - no fucking way.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 July 03, 2015 4:06 PM  

To lots of folks above,
Seems to be plenty of pseudo psychiatry going on with some ill will thrown in. I guess those always in-depth and reliable media reports gives you utmost incite into Ms. Burchill. We all to remember:

1. As M. Scott Peck said to begin his book "A road less traveled," "Life is difficult."
2. As Vox started this post with, "It's wise to always mind your tongue and be certain that you mean what you say."

I hope and pray God will have mercy on both Ms. Burchill and her son.

Anonymous Joyce July 03, 2015 4:07 PM  

Lesson: We should be careful about giving fathers custody. They are typically incompetent. We need more government programs to empower mothers to enter the workforce without giving custody to fathers.

Blogger kh123 July 03, 2015 4:10 PM  

"...even after a grown man took his own life, she still makes it about herself. Solipsism is pretty strong here, too."

True enough. Let's just say that that small window of her reaction - admitted failure at that moment - is favorable to other possible outcomes, all things considered.

I did say I was an optimist.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 03, 2015 4:11 PM  

Ugh....

It's ALL about her, "I", "MeMeMe", "Pity ME!!!!!!! I'm to blame for my grown son offing himself!" "isn't it just HORRIBLE......Muh SUFFERINK! I am so, so, BAD!!!!"

Fuck off bitch, this is about the man who killed himself, not your FEELZ and breast-beating attention-whoring.

Blogger kh123 July 03, 2015 4:13 PM  

"...To lots of folks above,
Seems to be plenty of pseudo psychiatry going on with some ill will thrown in."


Possibly because their experience with something similar to the above is closer to home, rather than the "Let's send good thoughts their way" crowd. Latchkey's a term that comes to mind.

Blogger Marissa July 03, 2015 4:14 PM  

"even if I scourged myself like Opus Dei"

That's not common. Scourging is discouraged except in pretty extreme circumstances under the advisement of a careful confessor. Opus Dei is all about the small things in common life being offered up to the Lord.

Anonymous Jourdan July 03, 2015 4:15 PM  

Her original comment is a good reminder of just how sick and evil the opposition is. It's instructive as to who has the whip hand, the power and the state media on their side that prominent writers for main Leftist newspapers can write such anti-human rants and still be considered a good person on the side of the angels.

Blogger collisioncat67 July 03, 2015 4:17 PM  

The shortsightedness of this rant is what amazes me.

Showing no sympathy for depressed and suicidal young men; many probably on the verge of eruption?...

...because sometimes a woman gets punched or slapped?

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee July 03, 2015 4:20 PM  

Perhaps, just perhaps, her son's tragedy might lead to a touch of enlightenment. I know the birth of my son finished the process begun by the realization that conventional prog victimization politics sought to divide my interests from those of my husband and pit me against him.

Tl:dr - Marriage made me aware; motherhood made me rabid.

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee July 03, 2015 4:28 PM  

Oh, and because I forgot above:

/solipsism

Anonymous Jourdan July 03, 2015 4:30 PM  

This discussion reminds me of something that recently happened at work.

-- Woman gets on crowded elevator.
-- Another woman, late middle-aged, quasi-dyke haircut, obvious Obama lover says to woman who just got on "hey, you're back"
-- "Yup, just back from maternity leave today. It was hard leaving the baby this morning"
-- Completely bypassing this embarassingly unprogressive remark, quasi-dyke says, with intensity "was it a boy or a girl?"
-- "A little girl"
-- "YES!" says the quasi-dyke, with a fist bump and a face screwed up with victory.

That's how these progressives are. The miracle of birth is reduced to "did it add to my tribe or did it add to my enemies."

Blogger kh123 July 03, 2015 4:31 PM  

...As a thought experiment: Imagine this sorry excuse of a mother... as your own. Some may not have to.

Now imagine her being completely unrepentant about the road she took that lead to this, of blowing up the family and treating parenting as just another optional checkmark of "things to do when not contemplating navel for paycheck/pleasure." Of taking no blame, rather than any, even if that sorrow's solipsistic in delivery.

This would be otherwise known as the Eichmann Defense.

Which not an inconsiderable number of a certain generation have seen it up close and personal. Hence, latchkey.

Which defense she may very well appeal to in the days ahead. I would think repudiating your own actions and writings on the subject - the very thing that your career and reputation hinges on - would be a good tell about the depth of one's feelings of guilt or repentance. I don't think she will, but I would never have predicted the Road to Damascus either.

When the tree's been otherwise dead, you marvel even at the smallest shoot.

Make what you will of how the Biblical parables of trees and roots relates to that.

Blogger maniacprovost July 03, 2015 4:45 PM  

Perhaps, just perhaps, her son's tragedy might lead to a touch of enlightenment.

Not to worry, the article says she became a Christian just before writing he lesbian teen romance novel.

Anonymous T July 03, 2015 4:49 PM  

"YES!" says the quasi-dyke, with a fist bump and a face screwed up with victory.

This witch probably gleefully reads the feminist 'scientists' trying to lay out a plan for a future without males, because they're so unnecessary in the New World, what with their innate aggression and tendency to like independence.

That's what the apologists need to understand: it will never stop, until they are stopped, or their schemes implode of their own weight.

If they succeed in wiping out white culture, it'll be all men next, and so on. The world is never perfect, and there will always be something else to cut out of humanity until there's nothing left.

Blank slate.

Anonymous Miserman July 03, 2015 4:50 PM  

From 18. Geoff, I used to have a somewhat cavalier attitude about suicide but the more I learned about depression, the more I realized just how unbelievably nasty it can be. I wouldn't wish depression on anyone.

Depression is horrendous. It is the fingers of Satan himself embedded into the mind and heart so that every thought and emotion of a man is tainted by the stench of despair. I have fought it for years and have, by Christ, overcome it (for the record, without medication). I would not judge any man who is facing this mess.

And there is nothing more depressing than for a young man to have his own masculine spirit crushed by an overbearing mother and a submissive father and to have no father / son dynamic to grant him fortitude.

Anonymous Jourdan July 03, 2015 4:56 PM  

And there is nothing more depressing than for a young man to have his own masculine spirit crushed by an overbearing mother and a submissive father and to have no father / son dynamic to grant him fortitude.

That's my life, right there. From ages 13-28 I was profoundly depressed. I spend ages 29-45 learning and slowing figuring out what was wrong. Now, I'm finally coming out of it. Late, but better late than never.

Depression from a fat girl who really, really wants Ben & Jerry's is one thing. Real depression is just as you described it: Satan's fingers tearing away at you, never letting you rest, never letting your mind clear up enough to learn.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 03, 2015 4:57 PM  

I don't want to pick on someone who just lost a kid. But of SJWs in general, one of their most disturbing characteristics is their utter lack of empathy. Whether it's her chilling paragraph, or Randi Harper's using a man's MS diagnosis as the cue to intensify her attacks on him, or the news now that Ellen Pao allegedly fired a man for being sick with leukemia.... They don't just lack empathy; they seem to revel in being harsh to others whenever they have an excuse.

And it's not just their enemies; they can be just as heartless to each other as soon as it's time to Other one of the herd. I'm starting to think empathy is like color-blindness or something -- they just don't have the gene for it -- and maybe leftism attracts people with that blind spot.

Because the starving African can have empathy for the anorexic. Life isn't just a spreadsheet where you keep track of how many times you've been done wrong so you can hate all those with fewer victim points than you. It's an awfully dreary viewpoint that says you should be thankful every time something bad happens to you because it gives you the right to care less about other people.

Blogger aut0062matthew July 03, 2015 5:03 PM  

I don't care.

Blogger Rantor July 03, 2015 5:04 PM  

So a lesbian Lutheran who is so committed to Christ that after 10 years as. Churchian she decided to become a synagoguian except for having issues with the lesbian rabbi who failed to support Israel enough... And on top of being a lesbian, she was also married to three men and had two sons, one of which is now dead by his own hand.

The irrational world she created for herself and her son directly contributed to the malaise. In better days she would have been locked away to protect the public.

Blogger aut0062matthew July 03, 2015 5:05 PM  

http://www.spectator.co.uk/books/9360462/unchosen-by-julie-burchill-review/

When I was married to Julie she was not only a philo-Semite but a Stalinist who regarded the working-class as the chosen people. Nowadays she’s a Stalinist philo-Semite; anyone who doesn’t toe the party line of uncritical support for Israel is branded a ‘self-loathing Jew’.

Blogger Michael Maier July 03, 2015 5:13 PM  

...because sometimes a woman gets punched or slapped?

And in most cases, is really asking for it?

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee July 03, 2015 5:14 PM  

aut0062matthew I don't care.

Is that a quote? Because Ms. Burchill is quoted above as having said just that which lead me to wonder: what Dark Lord was she serving?

~~~Minion #248

Anonymous T July 03, 2015 5:16 PM  

They don't just lack empathy; they seem to revel in being harsh to others whenever they have an excuse.

It's really ironic how their ideology comes full circle: They believe in nature, and man's subservience to it, and their mental existence devolves to the level of a lower animal.

It's worse than that though, because they're still human...and humans tend to rationalize. So, since they rationalize that you have to break eggs to make an SJW omelette, therefore they will have to break eggs...so, they might as well enjoy it.

Most people have no idea how close to our animal nature we are. It's only a hop, skip, and a jump away...and these people are working as hard as they can to remove the barriers.

Blogger Groot July 03, 2015 5:21 PM  

This is a time for sympathy and empathy on our parts. As anti-bullying activist Randi Harper, aka FreeBSDGirl, would say, "Set yourself on fire. You’ve made your bed, now get fucked in it. Fuck your feelings." Words to learn from.

Anonymous Anonymous July 03, 2015 5:23 PM  

50. Groot

FTW!

Amicus_C

Blogger cavalier973 July 03, 2015 5:28 PM  

"...cavalier attitude..."
Hey! You say that like it's a bad thing!

>:(

Anonymous hapsburg peasant July 03, 2015 5:36 PM  

It's a sad thing to lose a son. But at least her genes won't contaminate future generations.

Blogger Nobody July 03, 2015 5:36 PM  

Frikkin stupid bitch. I watched my father slowly die of Pulmonary Fibrosis. That WAS his retirement after 40 years of sucking in various exotic metal particles as an old school machinist. Not once did I wish he would end it. Not once did I wish he would hurry up and die. My father made the best of it as much as he could. He spent the last 6 months of his life in his bed and then even asked me to put up a T.V. on his wall. His last trip to the hospital, the only thing keeping him barely alive was a tube down his throat and I.V. heart med to keep the right side of his heart going. He was only semiconscious due to lack of oxygen to his brain. It was only after asking the doctor how long my father would live on the machine and I.V., weeks, and how long my father would live without it, maybe 2-3 days, that I decided to pull it. My father didn't want to live like that with no hope as we had talked about it before. Pulling the plug was easy. Watching my fathers heart stop after 2 hours, gasping to fill his lungs, lose his stomach contents, watch a tear roll down his cheek, and then just look like he had fallen asleep will live in my memory forever. I'm not the first, and I am not the last. But that is something I will not wish on anyone. I'm just glad that my father fought it and made the best of it as long as he did for 7 years.

What? Just go off yourself dad?

The second hardest thing I had to do, was tell my father that his son, my youngest brother had died. I walked into his shop and he was all smiles. I asked him to go outside for a minute, and he walked out with me all smiles. I told him that I didn't know any other way to tell him but straight-up. And I'll never forget the look on my fathers face.

Life sucks sometimes, but you don't have to wish for it, or be totally callous and apathetic to it because of a bad experience. I made the best of it with my father, especially after he got sick. And I wouldn't change anything.

Careful what you wish for. I wished for something once, and sure as hell it happened. And I was wishing anymore.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 03, 2015 5:39 PM  

But of SJWs in general, one of their most disturbing characteristics is their utter lack of empathy....They don't just lack empathy; they seem to revel in being harsh to others whenever they have an excuse....Maybe leftism attracts people with that blind spot.

Do you need to read The Black Book of Communism or The Gulag Archipelago to comprehend the mountains of corpses these people amassed in the 20th century? SJW's are inhuman, dangerous and vicious, all the moreso for their cunning.

Anonymous 334 July 03, 2015 5:45 PM  

@15. clk

I have a daughter who tried, earlier this year. It is about the most gutting thing a parent can experience.

That said, I think Ms Burchill's prior comments were insanely trivial and worthy of whatever consequences flow from them.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 03, 2015 5:50 PM  

I'm glad she failed, 334. May she heal and thrive.

Anonymous 334 July 03, 2015 5:54 PM  

I'm glad she failed, 334. May she heal and thrive.

Thanks. I'm praying every day of my life. But still mystified. The mindset is not one I've ever succeeded in identifying with.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 03, 2015 5:56 PM  

I second that VFM bot #188

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 03, 2015 6:09 PM  

Torial - Nothing Vox could do to her would be worse or more cruel that what is happening now. I know.

Blogger Bastiat's Ghost July 03, 2015 6:18 PM  

My merciless streak wants to know her Facebook page and email.

Anonymous Geoff July 03, 2015 6:22 PM  

"It is the fingers of Satan himself embedded into the mind and heart so that every thought and emotion of a man is tainted by the stench of despair."

Well said, Miserman. Depressed atheists probably think that the overwhelmingly negative voice in their head is their own, which leads to despair and hopelessness.

But when you come at depression from a Christian perspective, and realize that the negative voice in your head is not you but really Satan, it's a huge first step in recovery. The mere recognition of Satan's voice will diminish its power, and leave the door open, perhaps just a crack at first, for the light to shine in.

Anonymous The other robot July 03, 2015 6:46 PM  

I don't want to pick on someone who just lost a kid. But of SJWs in general, one of their most disturbing characteristics is their utter lack of empathy. Whether it's her chilling paragraph, or Randi Harper's using a man's MS diagnosis as the cue to intensify her attacks on him, or the news now that Ellen Pao allegedly fired a man for being sick with leukemia.... They don't just lack empathy; they seem to revel in being harsh to others whenever they have an excuse.

Remember the article that Vox pointed to a day or so ago:

Only 50 % of whites have the genes for empathy

OK, it was Canadians, who are almost white ...

This means that your chances of meeting someone who is a monster is 50% if the other party is white and 90% if they are black ...

Blogger Sasa July 03, 2015 6:57 PM  

Enjoy the suicide, post it all over social media.

(And before y'all call me callous, well that's what I am, and second, do not kill yourself. Trust me here. I can't help you, but I can make it all worse. Then you'll be happy to die. In some gruesome way. And here's the point, it will offwnd your mother.)

Anonymous Gary July 03, 2015 6:58 PM  

I have as much sympathy for her as the SJW had when Tony Snow passed away.

None at all.

Their jihad on our culture has turned my heart to stone.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 03, 2015 7:02 PM  

And they say women are the empathetic sex.

Anonymous diffeomorph July 03, 2015 7:14 PM  

Fuck this bitch.

Blogger IM2L844 July 03, 2015 7:21 PM  

Will she be able to draw the correct conclusions from this experience? Given the track record of her rationalization hamster, I'm dubious.

Anonymous tiredofitall July 03, 2015 7:28 PM  

I wouldn't wish the suicide of someone's child on my worst enemy.

Blogger Rigel Kent July 03, 2015 8:08 PM  

I made the mistake of reading up on her. So for her I feel nothing but contempt, my sympathies go to the son that ended it, and the other son that's still alive but that she doesn't give a damn about.

She is a horrible c**t of a woman. In one article she was talking about the two families she'd destroyed because she got the tingles for someone else. She said that she had no regrets because she was happier each time she left. Narcissism is a particularly heinous trait because the primary damage is borne by the people around the narcissist, rather than the narcissist herself.

Blogger Matt July 03, 2015 8:36 PM  

She looks like a man in drag.

Blogger Nate July 03, 2015 8:37 PM  

atf show tonight at 9 central. Booze smokes... and yes... I will be reading from the only known poetry work ever published by a member of the Dread Ilk... Bilge Pump of a Turgid Mind.

here's the link.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/trailor73/2015/07/04/battle-flag

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 03, 2015 8:38 PM  

Jordan -- "A little girl"-- "YES!" says the quasi-dyke, with a fist bump and a face screwed up with victory.

You should warn her not to let the dyke baby sit or change her diaper.

And it's not just their enemies; they can be just as heartless to each other as soon as it's time to Other one of the herd. I'm starting to think empathy is like color-blindness or something

Crab basket effect, also the post from a couple days ago that said 50% of whites have empathy genes but only 10% of sub Sahara blacks.

Blogger kh123 July 03, 2015 8:53 PM  

A quote from our favorite Finn, from awhile ago. Seems germane here:

"My theory is that the death of a parent is still basically a "shit happens" -event for the mind, no matter how emotionally hard. But it doesn't require a fundamental remodeling of the child's world view. Parents can still remain the heroes kids tend to think they are. But a divorce will reveal their character in all its ugliness, resulting in zero heroes. Now the kid is forced to face the reality that there is nothing stable in the world, and they will have to survive on their own."

I may be wrong, but from what I gather, Burchill's parents - who died a year apart - seem to have stayed together.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 03, 2015 9:00 PM  

Nate last time I tried listening it just stopped in mid stream and didn't pick up again. Was that on my end or did you have some problems?

Anonymous Henry July 03, 2015 9:00 PM  

Nine days ago, I identified the body of my former foster son after he took he own life. He was a troubled young man and my wife and I spent five and a half years trying to help him. We obviously failed. No one deserves to go through this kind of pain. Not for any reason. Not ever.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 03, 2015 9:07 PM  

Yes, that article Vox posted on empathy is very germane...

Kinda makes you wish the Hajnal-line (as horrible and brutal as it was) encompassed the whole Planet for the last 2,000 years.

Anonymous The other robot July 03, 2015 9:23 PM  

Has anyone tried to make the Defense Distributed Ghost Gunner? It looks like they will not be able to ship any more, but the info is all downloadable.

Anonymous zen0 July 03, 2015 9:40 PM  

62 Geoff

But when you come at depression from a Christian perspective, and realize that the negative voice in your head is not you but really Satan, it's a huge first step in recovery. The mere recognition of Satan's voice will diminish its power, and leave the door open, perhaps just a crack at first, for the light to shine in.

Well put. I have tried to tell people that not all the things you think are your own thoughts. Of course, they think I am looney, but if I mention Satan, they know I am looney. I have to tell them that thoughts travel independently and are picked up by those who are sensitive to such things. It sounds like telepathy, so they are ok with that, and I become a harmless "eccentric".

But at least the seed is planted.

You would be surprised (maybe) how many people, even those aware of lying politicians and devious fellow beings somehow assume that spiritist communications are all benevolent.

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Anonymous The Lamb July 03, 2015 9:51 PM  

Yet another Christian thread replete with compassion and forgiveness, brought to you courtesy of Vox Day.

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Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 July 03, 2015 9:53 PM  

Nobody

54. Nobody

My father didn't want to live like that with no hope as we had talked about it before. Pulling the plug was easy. Watching my fathers heart stop after 2 hours, gasping to fill his lungs, lose his stomach contents, watch a tear roll down his cheek, and then just look like he had fallen asleep will live in my memory forever.

Yah. My mother did not want to die in a hospital, where they put you under and just keep increasing the morphine in the drip.
So instead, we had to stand by trying to make her comfortable while she basically drowned in her own phlegm, and could not speak to make any other wishes known.

I was amazed at how long the body will continue to try to breathe , even after unconciousness sets in. It seemed like 2 minutes between breath heaves.

Brutal. I don't remember anyone saying anything about how people actually die slow. It is all "he passed away in his sleep", and " they are in a better place".

Load of crap.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth July 03, 2015 9:54 PM  

@Henry

I'm very sorry for your loss, and you have my deep respect for having helped him regardless. I hope and pray you'll find some peace soon as you deal with his death.

Anonymous zen0 July 03, 2015 9:57 PM  

81. The Lamb July 03, 2015 9:51 PM

Yet another Christian thread replete with compassion and forgiveness, brought to you courtesy of Vox Day.


Some Lamb you turned out to be. Not everyone who comments here is a Christian, and Vox is only responsible for his own words, which are in the Post.

So go find yourself, Lambchop.

Anonymous Godfrey July 03, 2015 10:05 PM  

The Lamb,

A Christian is a fallen man struggling to overcome and conquer his sin. He fails every day and gets up the next to try again. A secularist embraces his sin and works diligently to justify it to himself and the world. That's the difference.

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Blogger Cail Corishev July 03, 2015 10:28 PM  

You would be surprised (maybe) how many people, even those aware of lying politicians and devious fellow beings somehow assume that spiritist communications are all benevolent.

Yes, it's strange how even people who can quote scripture on many other topics laugh off the idea of demonic influence as silly, when Jesus spent a good chunk of the gospels casting out demons. Maybe they think He got them all.

Blogger aut0062matthew July 03, 2015 10:30 PM  

ChicagoRefugee, it's Who/Whom Time. As for me and my house, we will serve Yahweh.

Blogger Wayne Earl July 03, 2015 10:51 PM  

I once walked very closely with God, and strayed away out of my own overblown pride and ego. Looking back at that time up until today, I see that foolishness a little bit clearer. God has no need to punish or reward us in this life, as it is a just world, and all actions have consequences.

And anything of any real value cannot be lost, but will endure for all time.

Anyways, I find myself sitting here this very day, mourning the loss of a secular life full of accomplishment but devoid of gratitude and compassion. Her own brand of hypocracy seems so similar to my own, it's gut wrenching. I don't mean to hijack the comments with my own struggles, but I really could use some prayer right now as I struggle to allow Him to again drop the scales from my eyes.

Blogger Zimri July 03, 2015 10:53 PM  

The Lamb, I'm not aware that Burchill ever disavowed her earlier statements. Forgiveness has to be *asked for*. This involves repentance of whatever sin needed that forgiveness.

Which you would know if you were Christian yourself. Since you've proven yourself not Christian, what you are saying here is just trollery.

Blogger Longstreet July 03, 2015 11:01 PM  

Wayne Earl, that's a tough confession, and a hard place in which to find yourself. Praying.

The Lamb, you haven't read the thread very closely have you?

Blogger ajw308 (#98) July 03, 2015 11:04 PM  

@Wayne, done. May you find the gift He has for you. Seeking it is the beginning.

Anonymous The other robot July 03, 2015 11:06 PM  

There will be war Vol III is up at Castalia House.

OpenID malcolmthecynic July 03, 2015 11:09 PM  

How absolutely horrible, to live with that guilt for the rest of your life.

I hope she repents and lives her life for Christ.

Anonymous Luke 15 July 03, 2015 11:12 PM  

90. Wayne Earl

I don't mean to hijack the comments with my own struggles, but I really could use some prayer right now as I struggle to allow Him to again drop the scales from my eyes.



13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.


15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Blogger Nate July 03, 2015 11:42 PM  

"Anyways, I find myself sitting here this very day, mourning the loss of a secular life full of accomplishment but devoid of gratitude and compassion. "

welcome to the Family Wayne. You're in it already. God knows your heart... and it is enough.

You are loved.

Anonymous Godfrey July 03, 2015 11:50 PM  

Christianity can be considered a romantic notion. At its heart it is the belief that love conquers death. It is the belief that love endures. That we don't love in vain. It may be a silly notion, but it's the only one worth having.

Anonymous dc red dogs July 04, 2015 12:07 AM  

Wayne Earl - there are millions of Christians who are willing to offer up their sufferings for you, and for each of those Christians, there are unnumbered angels, and above all there is Jesus himself, whose atonement is all you need, As for poor J. Burchill, she is an English humorist who does not deserve the schadenfreude (an emotion which generally rebounds back on the emoter, anyway) seen here, anymore than her fellow English humorist Evelyn Waugh does for his "holiday from morality" novels or Chesterton for his unkind saintly-toned criticisms of those he felt superior to or fanboy favorite Tolkien for his stupid anti-Cockney trollery in the Hobbit or his other admitted failures of empathy. Anyway, God forgives all.

Anonymous The other robot July 04, 2015 12:28 AM  

Donald Trump finds an issue that might rally ordinary Americans.

Anonymous The other robot July 04, 2015 12:32 AM  

President Obama empowered Kates’ killer to murder Americans. Candidate Trump has vowed to stop the illegal invasion of Mexican criminals. Who will you vote for?

Anonymous The other robot July 04, 2015 12:38 AM  

Hispanic Leaders want GOP Fuckers to condemn Trump's 'Gambit'

OpenID malcolmthecynic July 04, 2015 1:51 AM  

Godfrey,

I hold with C.S. Lewis: Most who believe Christianity, and religion in general, to be comforting probably don't understand it properly.

I think it works on three levels:

1) Non-understanding. You think of religion as a cure-all for problems, leading you to have contempt for the religious.

2) Intellectual understanding. Holy crap, Christianity is true! Uh oh. Right now, I'm going to Hell. And I'm REALLY supposed to love THAT guy? And if I get angry with this dude, God will hold me accountable like a MURDERER? I am in serious trouble.

3) Real peace. I get it now. Everything I understood is true, but who cares! God will forgive me anyway! All I have to do is ASK! Just ask! That's it! Praise the Lord who is good!

Now, some people need peace more than they need intellectual acceptance, and those two aren't necessarily in that order, but eventually both are necessary: The understanding that this is serious business and the relief that if you trust Christ then there's nothing to worry about. Faith the size of a mustard seed...

Anonymous Jack Amok July 04, 2015 2:08 AM  

Brutal. I don't remember anyone saying anything about how people actually die slow. It is all "he passed away in his sleep", and " they are in a better place".

A death rattle is nothing you really want to watch. There's an unexplainable helplessness in witnessing it, even when it's something you've known was coming.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 July 04, 2015 2:21 AM  

I watched my mother's death from cancer. And I've struggled with depression and suicidal urges. I get it that to throw one's life away is contemptible.

But Burchill's contempt is rooted in some grievance that Britain was an utter hell-on-earth for her, or women, or whatever that was. It's hatred for the sake of a political pose. And for that, she's lauded on the left.

Anonymous rubberducky July 04, 2015 2:27 AM  

This woman's criticism of suicide was wrongly based. Suicide is not wrong because some other person fought for life, as this woman's father did, while others threw it away, as her son did.

Suicide is wrong because it is a final rejection of the gift that God has given you. It is a rejection of creation. Suicide by definition spurns the idea of life. It spurns God. It's an evil that must always face opposition.

Yet some suicides are tragedies that begs for sympathy and understanding of those who engage in it. Some are not. Suicide bombers deserve nothing but hot condemnation, for instance. Most suicides are simply very unhappy people who are pained by their own existence.

I'm thankful that I'm not the one charged with judging them. It's shocking how casually people will throw what they've been given away. And it's doubly shocking how pointless that is, because no matter how much you think your life sucks there's always someone whose life sucks worse, yet they are making the best of it while the suicide makes the worst of it.

And, over time, given the opportunity for life, learning and growth, things do get better. One can mature. One can overcome. What a tragedy it is to cut that off at the knees.

Then, there's things like Dolcett and various snuff fantasies. Self destruction can be highly erotic and a strong sexual fantasy. It is the ultimate in submission. But, the master is wrong. Never submit to the father of lies. Submit to the prince of peace.

Blogger Wayne Earl July 04, 2015 2:50 AM  

Thank you all for your prayers and support. It has helped.

It's funny, in a way. God must have the grandest sense of humor. It's been my own experience that that which we desire above all other things in life - community, intimacy, acceptance, and love, is that which we are most afraid of obtaining.

Anonymous Geoff July 04, 2015 7:51 AM  

"I have tried to tell people that not all the things you think are your own thoughts. Of course, they think I am looney, but if I mention Satan, they know I am looney." - Zen0

Zen0, try asking them to listen to the voice in their head, just for a moment. Then ask them who they think is listening the voice? It becomes obvious that there are at least 2 entities in one's head.

If your friends are turned off by the Christian terminology, you could call them the Ego and the True Self.

Anonymous Miserman July 04, 2015 8:56 AM  

One of the great truths I learned about living a life of Christian faith is that it does not shelter a man from the harsh realities of life. Even without the influence of sin and evil, life requires a certain ruggedness and ever-growing wisdom. If there is a scheme to the devil's works, it is to sow the seed of disillusionment with God Himself so that a man is left to die a thousand deaths believing a thousand lies over a weak, miserable lifetime. That is what I war against in prayer, thought, and deed for myself and other men.

Blogger Gilbert Ratchet July 04, 2015 9:16 AM  

This is a shame. I really liked her column on "hipocrites" (sic) from a few years ago. Turns out she might as well be one herself...

Blogger Tommy Hass July 04, 2015 10:25 AM  

God exists and his justice is delightful.

Too bad about the dude.

Blogger bw July 04, 2015 1:19 PM  

There is Billboard campaign in my area with Tony Dungy (the Racist-there-aint-enough-Blacks-in NFL) involved in a Fathers + Children campaign.
HaHa. Get it?

"I have tried to tell people that not all the things you think are your own thoughts @Zeno

As if we conjur up our own temptations...uh, for what purpose again?
This is where the anti-God tripe falls short: God does this, that , and the other - as if there are not competing entities. "Daddy" did this to me. No honey, it was your Uncle. "But I've never considered anything else existing beyond Daddy..."

Blogger bw July 04, 2015 1:20 PM  

* ...even though daddy noted that they indeed did

Blogger L. Beau July 04, 2015 5:10 PM  

Over one hundred comments, and nobody has written the word hubris yet? A great loan-word from the Greek - maybe the most useful Greek loan-word in the twenty-first century. Burchill sounds like she was (or still is) filled with it. But she's far from the only one.

Blogger kh123 July 04, 2015 7:59 PM  

..."nobody has written the word hubris yet? "

A-hem. Und die Zahl der Apostel war...

One thing about the original word was that it indicated violent arrogance in the ancient world, mostly by rulers though not exclusive to. Which is why it's used for something like, say, Thucydides' report of (IIRC) Corcyra or Melos. And which was how it was meant at the start of the thread.

So, if even this form of arrogance can be changed by the greatest of theophanies...



Blogger J Thomas July 04, 2015 8:46 PM  

Well, regardless of the terrible irony and her brutal callousness, she is correct in a sense that suicides are more a private tragedy than a public concern. The greater "public concerns" are the macro-social factors that are leading to widespread alienated despondency that is tempting the young with suicide. Assholes are often correct about much, but often only partially correct.

Blogger J Thomas July 04, 2015 9:16 PM  

Suicide by definition spurns the idea of life. It spurns God. It's an evil that must always face opposition

Thanks for your obtuse dogma. How about let's put you into the life of a person who was raped as a child and then sold into sex slavery for most of the rest of their life, and then finally they come across the means to kill themselves, and take the opportunity.

Suicide is "spurning the idea of life" in that case, is it? Oh wait.. Maybe in that case it's spurning the idea of brutality, and looking for release.

Your extreme obtuse dogma has earned you the "fucking idiot of the day" award! Congrats!

Anonymous zen0 July 04, 2015 9:51 PM  

117. J Thomas

How about let's put you into the life of a person who was raped as a child and then sold into sex slavery for most of the rest of their life, and then finally they come across the means to kill themselves, and take the opportunity.

Is that your personal experience?

Blogger kh123 July 04, 2015 10:48 PM  

Remember Glade® Plug-Ins? The little jingle that went along with showing how an open wall outlet could lighten the whole room with springtime freshness. Had always hoped they'd make one that was portable, something that'd clip on over the belt buckle to help mask any emotional incontinence or excessive nut flexing whenever it popped up in public.


~Tuck it in,
Tuck it in.~

Blogger Calbeck July 04, 2015 11:10 PM  

"a society still beset with the most vicious social deprivation and rampant cruelty to the very young, the very old and the very weak"

Apparently Ms. Burchill was either living in Somalia at the time, or had no conception of the meaning behind the words she was using.

Anonymous rubberducky July 05, 2015 12:12 AM  

J Thomas, no need exists for me to consider imaginary scenarios for suicide. I've had plenty encounters with it in tough situations from my own life. In my experience, my point stands, and it is true.

Did you not read what I wrote that some suicides are tragedies that beg for sympathy and understanding?

In that scenario you describe, the sex slave should not have taken her own life. Rest assured that I and my Church would have been praying for her soul regardless.

And your scenario's not even a tough one.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) July 05, 2015 11:48 AM  

@Wayne

You are in my thoughts and prayers

Blogger MidKnight (#138) July 05, 2015 11:52 AM  


@Cail
Yes, it's strange how even people who can quote scripture on many other topics laugh off the idea of demonic influence as silly, when Jesus spent a good chunk of the gospels casting out demons. Maybe they think He got them all.

It just occurred to me.

Cluster-B disorders, (BPD, NPD/Narcissism) are characterized by effectively neing emotionally "stuck" as a child or early teen. No emotional regulation or maturity.

ANother common trait, is that sometimes, the mask slips, and you look in their eyes, and you see NOTHING there. It's empty.

Maybe that emptiness sometimes gets filled with something else? That lack of a core sense of self certainly leaves them open to any external influence that drives their emotions.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 07, 2015 12:44 AM  

#90 but I really could use some prayer right now as I struggle to allow Him to again drop the scale

Done. Godspeed, Mr. Churchill.

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