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Thursday, July 16, 2015

M-Zed votes no

2015 Hugo Nominee Mike Z. Williamson explains why he is voting NO AWARD across the board:
I have just voted NO AWARD across the board for the Hugo awards, including the category in which I am a finalist.

At one time, the Hugo WAS arguably the most significant award in SF, with the Nebula being the pro award with a different cachet.

The Nebula lost any credibility when it was awarded to If You Were An Alpha Male My Love, which was not only eyerollingly bad Mary Sue, but wasn't SF nor even an actual story. If that's what the pros consider to be worthy of note, it indicates a dysfunction at their level.

As for the Hugos, in the last twenty years or so, they've been less and less awarded for either literature or entertaining storytelling, and more and more awarded for trite fanfic.  When not, it's been the same incestuous group awarding it within a circle of in-people, to the point where there are winners with literally 50 nominations and 30 wins.

This is just ridiculous.... The sheer, frothing, irrational vitriol aimed at us makes it clear that content will not be considered.  We are Unclean, and many have stated they will not even look at our works.

Sadly, there are quite a few nominees this year who genuinely deserve awards for their work and creativity, including other members of my own category.

And perhaps someday, an award will come along that reaches the standards of credibility and accolade their works deserve.

But at present, no such award exists.
I am, of course, sympathetic to his position. Indeed, voting No Award across the board was my original intention, until I discovered that the SJWs in science fiction were more than willing to do the job of burning the awards to the ground for us. As I mentioned previously, why waste time burning Munich when you can trust the Germans to do it for you as you push for Berlin.

Also, and more importantly, not voting No Award permits us to correctly gauge the full extent of the SJW influence in science fiction and see how it compares to the current strength of the Sad and Rabid Puppies. That's my chief interest in this year's vote, because it will inform the strategy that we pursue in the future.

Remember, we haven't even begun to finance "scholarships" in the way the other side has. Our 2015 numbers do not reflect the full extent of the force we can bring to bear.

And that is why I encourage all the Sad and Rabid Puppies to refrain from following M-Zed's noble example, but rather vote for the various works based on their perceived merits. As the end of the voting period is rapidly approaching, I will soon post a complete list of my Hugo ballot, which of course should not be confused in any way, shape, or form with a slate or a bloc vote, much less a direct order by the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil to his 389 Vile Faceless Minions or anyone else.

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47 Comments:

Anonymous Steve July 16, 2015 8:09 AM  

Thank you for pronouncing "Zed" correctly, Vox.

Blogger AmyJ July 16, 2015 10:04 AM  

It's cute that they are buying votes. Like that's a game we couldn't win.

Anonymous Ron July 16, 2015 10:10 AM  

Please tell me his book gets better. I'm a te'nth of th'e way thou'gh and hav'e to force myself to con'tinue reading.

Anonymous FriarBob July 16, 2015 10:16 AM  

@ron

Which one?

Blogger Alexander July 16, 2015 10:18 AM  

It's cute that they are buying votes. Like that's a game we couldn't win.

Hey, give them some credit - they're playing to their historical strengths.

Anonymous Ron July 16, 2015 10:19 AM  

My mistake. That's Kevin J. Anderson I'm having fits with. Haven't read M Zed's yet.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 16, 2015 10:28 AM  

It's cute that they are buying votes. Like that's a game we couldn't win.

Soros spent $33million of ill gotten funds to support the riots for the Ferguson liquor store robber. He might drop that much to keep his side from getting a loss that could advance to more losses.

Anonymous Book_Girl July 16, 2015 10:31 AM  

I don't have a No Award as #1 in any category.

I am torn about using it in others categories as choice 3, 4 , 5, etc. because as I understand the rules regarding how the votes are tabulated, it can prevent your higher choices from winning in some cases. What say the Dark Lord on this matter?

Blogger Achillea July 16, 2015 10:32 AM  

My mistake. That's Kevin J. Anderson I'm having fits with. Haven't read M Zed's yet.

No, DBtS never does get better, though he does eventually kill off a couple of the dozens of useless POV characters he has jammed in there. So there's that.

Anonymous Viidad July 16, 2015 10:49 AM  

"The Dark Between The Stars" gets better 3/4 of the way through... but it still is so unreal with its portrayal of ridiculously amazing female super-characters as to be functionally retarded. Great ideas but killed by XX Affirmative Action.

Blogger Feather Blade July 16, 2015 10:58 AM  

My mistake. That's Kevin J. Anderson I'm having fits with.

I'm pretty sure that story would work better if it were split into about three shorter novels.

And had fewer character backstory infodumps.

The part where the volcano planet exploded was pretty cool though.

Blogger Jack Ward July 16, 2015 10:59 AM  

@ 8 Book girl

You can enter No Award Options in the search window upper left and get some info on the arcane use of no award. I assume the Hugo rules people have made things like this as confusing as possible as some sort of entryism? If so, just wait until the 2017 changes; if their desires prevail.

Anonymous The other robot July 16, 2015 11:06 AM  

SJWs always lie, even when writing fiction ...

Blogger VD July 16, 2015 11:11 AM  

What say the Dark Lord on this matter?

Just leave it off. If you only want to vote for one or two in a category, just vote for those. Leave the rest blank.

Blogger Student in Blue July 16, 2015 11:20 AM  

Leave the rest blank.

I recall the Graphic Novel section was deemed "okay" to No Award. Did that change with this recent decision?

Blogger Jack Ward July 16, 2015 11:31 AM  

@4 VD
It might even be a note of tactics to not use No Award at any place on your ballot. Sorta the high ground? I used the blank, no vote at all in the graphics category.

Blogger VD July 16, 2015 11:31 AM  

I recall the Graphic Novel section was deemed "okay" to No Award. Did that change with this recent decision?

No. I threw the VFM a bone with that one.

Blogger VD July 16, 2015 11:32 AM  

It might even be a note of tactics to not use No Award at any place on your ballot.

No, it makes no difference cross-category, only within the category.

Blogger Ghost July 16, 2015 11:36 AM  

We talked about the Sad/Rabid Puppies and about #gamergate on our last episode. It's amazing that the video game "nerds" and sci-fi "geeks" were the first ones to stand up to these fascists, and they've been successful. Check out the show:
https://youtu.be/tDgpLF8nmsI

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 16, 2015 11:44 AM  

Remember, we haven't even begun to finance "scholarships" in the way the other side has. Our 2015 numbers do not reflect the full extent of the force we can bring to bear.

I was absolutely astounded when I read a comment from a SJW somewhere that $40 dollars was a lot of money. I give 10% of my income to my church, save an additional 15%, donate to charities, and give money to a relative who is sick and fallen on hard times, and I still have plenty of money left for discretionary spending.

And I am by no means rich. If you think $40 is a lot of money you are doing something wrong.

Anonymous Geoff July 16, 2015 11:46 AM  

@Jack Ward, your bro, Noah, has been hijacked by the SJWs.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) July 16, 2015 11:58 AM  

Are they this so of loosing they'd burn it down rather than risk not winning?

Mike sounds like he'd burn down a bar, one that had a cutie smiling at him, rather than risk rejection.

Anonymous Spirit of 76 July 16, 2015 12:01 PM  

I've have unilaterally decided that I shall be one the Numberless Vile Faceless Minions.

It ought to come with a cool badge though.

Anonymous Nathan July 16, 2015 12:11 PM  

@Ron

"And I am by no means rich. If you think $40 is a lot of money you are doing something wrong."

True, but it shows that, to the incrowd, only by being a congoer are you a real fan. While I am sympathetic to the idea of growing SF fandom among those who might not be able to afford it at this time, providing $40 of books from CH, Baen, or any of the three letter publishers of SFF instead of a con membership would do more to grow fandom as a whole, and the market as well.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 16, 2015 12:28 PM  

@Nathan

My understanding is that plenty of people go to the fun cons. Comic con's estimated 2014 attendance was 130,000+.

World con's ? 6946 in 2014.

It occurs to me that the SJWs of SF and Fantasy may be reacting so virulently to the puppies challenging the Hugo status quo because that's all they have. They are increasingly irrelevant to the field of science fiction. Hardly anyone buys the "literary" science fiction they champion and they are can no longer function as gate keepers.

Anonymous kfg July 16, 2015 12:30 PM  

@ajw308:

In my younger days, one of the key things that woke me up to the true nature of these people was the behaviour of French, communist trade unionists. One of their favorite tactics was the in house strike. Auto plants were the favored target. Automobiles have a quasi-mythical status to them. Rather than cordoning off a plant with a picket line, they would report to their work stations and then "seize the means of production."

And having seized the means of production did they then go about producing and distributing according to their professed socialist ideology?

The hell they did. They immediately went about, literally, burning the produce.

Burning shit down is what they do. It's all they know. They have destruction in their twisted, Grinchy little hearts.

Here's a key thing to think about: they did not take over the Hugos in the first place to produce something they wanted, they did it, in the first place, to burn them down. Will they burn them down? That's what they're there to do.

Blogger Student in Blue July 16, 2015 12:30 PM  

And I am by no means rich. If you think $40 is a lot of money you are doing something wrong.

I don't know if there's a correlation between belief in left-wing ideas and poor spending habits (but in hindsight it sounds kind of obvious), but there's a lot, and I repeat a lot, of people who do not manage their money well. They live from paycheck to paycheck and to them $40 *is* a lot of money because they don't even think about the hundreds that they blow on luxuries and frivolities. They skirt around the 20-100 dollar range on their accounts and instead of spending less they just worry and fret instead about their current state - very much living in the short term as it were.

So to make a long story short, yes they're doing something wrong. Unfortunately a lot of people are doing the same wrong things.

Anonymous Weak July 16, 2015 12:35 PM  

well, I'm voting for Lock In, no matter what the dark lord says.

Anonymous physics geek July 16, 2015 12:41 PM  

I sympathize with Mr. Williamson's position, but I still plan to vote for his "Wisdom From My Internet" which, as a fan, I found highly amusing and entertaining. Oddly, that's what I still look for in a book.

Anonymous Peter #0231 July 16, 2015 12:54 PM  

"I will soon post a complete list of my Hugo ballot, which of course should not be confused in any way, shape, or form with a slate or a bloc vote, much less a direct order by the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil to his 389 Vile Faceless Minions or anyone else."

Good. I was wondering if a complete list was going to appear, what with the deadline approaching and all. For no particular reason, of course.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 16, 2015 12:55 PM  

@Student in Blue

You have reminded me of this sketch

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/dont-buy-stuff/n12020

Blogger CM July 16, 2015 1:01 PM  

It's amazing that the video game "nerds" and sci-fi "geeks" were the first ones to stand up to these fascists, and they've been successful.

I figure these are the people that have been "othered" so much in the past that their attachments to their hobbies trump whatever vestiges of in-group desire they have left.

Being threatened with more outcast status barely even registers when you've been outcast for gaming for the past 3 decades.

Anonymous Viidad July 16, 2015 1:01 PM  

@Spirit of 76

Where have you been? It DOES come with a cool badge. Here's mine:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KwOtt69KgF8/VUViJKhhyRI/AAAAAAAAGGM/dqjwe5d7tt4/s1600/0156_Evil-Legion-of-Evil_Vile-Faceless-Minion_512x512.jpg

And, a bonus, we get to chew femurs. Sometimes they're even fresh.

Blogger Allan Davis July 16, 2015 1:46 PM  

CM #32 - My sentiments exactly. Between gaming, chess, science fiction, fantasy, and LARP, I have been informed repeatedly and reliably that I am absolutely never going to be one of the "cool" kids.

You know what...? I don't care.

I might have, once, fifteen, twenty years or so ago. Yes...it took me a while.

-=ad=-

Blogger Ghost July 16, 2015 1:53 PM  

At least in the 80s and 90s, our SJWs went after tough targets like rap and metal. It takes balls to protest outside an NWA concert, not so much to pick on the geek in glasses making a dongle joke.

Blogger Doom July 16, 2015 2:00 PM  

Don't call me lazy, or stupid. Not because those aren't true from time to time, just that... well... it isn't productive. Besides, you would probably come across as a sissy to me. If I need called names, I do it much better. Ah, right, what? Well, here is the deal. I'd like to get more involved with either R or S puppies. Not sure what it takes, how to get started. Yes, yes, it's been posted. I've seen some notion of instructions flit by on the seas of words that pass here. Nice.

If someone would take the risk, and explain in an email, with the potential that you might have to hand-hold an old ogre through the intricacies via a number of emails, I would gladly bother to spend the time. No promises that I would follow anyone's lead, lock, stock, and barrel, regarding voting. Though I generally dig GG, SP and/or RP. I'm just not a follower, or leader. Well, and I may ask a few questions regarding the strategy, why this or that, and such. doomdforevatgmaildotcom Been meaning to get to this for a while. Haven't. Doing it now, so shut it.

I'll be a bit of a tool, but only if I appreciate the general effort, and only so far as honesty will carry that. Won't vote for shitty, if conservative, authors, or pinks of any sort.

Blogger Jack Ward July 16, 2015 2:07 PM  

@VD [8]
No, it makes no difference cross-category, only within the category.

I realized that. I was referring to not using the NA anywhere, in any category on the whole ballot. Of course, there is a certain satisfaction to slamming No Award into the ballot.

Geoff [21] It ain't my bro. However, at some point in the future, if the Dark Lord of Evil demands my vote be a solid array of No Awards across the whole ballot, why, then, I read, I obey.

Blogger Danby July 16, 2015 2:21 PM  

@Doom
To sign up send an email to Vox asking to be made a a minion. It's easy, requiring not further voluntary action on your part. Ever. For the rest of your life. I won't call it painless. Unless I'm instructed to do so.
There's not really a battleplan that we VFMs are allowed to see. Just read the blog and try to anticipate the Dark Lord's whims. The current battles are a boycott of Tor until MacMillan fires Patrick Nielsen Hayden, and the ongoing effort to save the Hugos.

Blogger Danby July 16, 2015 2:26 PM  

@Doom,
More seriously, for the Hugo effort, sign up as a supporting member for Sasquan ($40) and vote for the best works in each category. Literally, that's what the Rabid Puppies effort is.
A supporting membership also gives you electronic copies of most of the nominees, the right to vote on the 2017 location of WorldCon, and to nominate works for the 2016 WorldCon in St. Louis.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 16, 2015 2:52 PM  

The graphic novels were horrendous, so will almost certainly keep the No Award I have already given them. And I like graphic novels....

Blogger Anthony July 16, 2015 3:10 PM  

Book_girl: I am torn about using it in others categories as choice 3, 4 , 5, etc. because as I understand the rules regarding how the votes are tabulated, it can prevent your higher choices from winning in some cases. What say the Dark Lord on this matter?

I'm not that dark, nor a lord, but I can answer that. There are two ways in which "No Award" affects the voting.

First, No Award is a candidate - it's eliminated when it's the lowest vote getter, just like any of the nominees. If you rank anything below "No Award", and all your higher choices have already been eliminated, then your vote transfers to the next-ranked book.

So if you vote A, B, C, No Award, D, E, but most of the voters vote D, E, No Award, B, C, A, and A, B, and C have been eliminated before No Award, then your vote would be added to D. If you vote A, B, C, No Award and leave the rest blank, then after A, B, C, and No Award is eliminated, your vote no longer counts. (Single Transferrable Vote is complicated to administer, and there are ways to vote tactically. But you can't hurt your preferred choices by voting No Award below them.)

Second, once the elimination rounds have gone all the way through, the winner is compared to No Award based on the first round votes. If the number of ballots where the winner is ranked below No Award (in the first round) is greater than the number of ballots where the winner is ranked above No Award, then No Award becomes the winner.

So - tactically, the two counterbalance. By leaving off the ballot works you don't like, you reduce their chances of winning because your vote cannot transfer to them. But if you vote for works you don't like below No Award, you increase the chance that if they're otherwise the winner, that No Award will beat them.

Blogger Anthony July 16, 2015 3:14 PM  

@16 Jack Ward - there's a rule that if the number of ballots in a particular category is less than 25% of the number of total ballots overall, then there is no award in that category. So, for example, if 8,000 people vote, but there are fewer than 2,000 votes in any particular category, that category is automatically no-awarded, even if the 1,999 votes all agree.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 16, 2015 4:17 PM  

The graphic novels were horrendous, so will almost certainly keep the No Award I have already given them. And I like graphic novels....

I'm confused about the graphic novel ballot

On the ballot, there is:
"The Zombie Nation Book #2: Reduce Reuse Reanimate by
Carter Reid (The Zombie Nation)"

Which was on the Rabid Puppy nominate list. What happened there?

Blogger Jack Ward July 16, 2015 4:55 PM  

I may be safe in the assumption that these convoluted Hugo voting rules were made up as turf protectors for the sjw lock on the Hugos. That probably being the case I will have no guilt feelings at all when the Dark One hands out the instructions in 2017; Or, next year for that matter.

Anonymous ShRonP July 16, 2015 7:07 PM  

Not to mention, do it VD's way and he makes money. Integrity and all!

Anonymous Mitchell July 16, 2015 7:17 PM  

Well. I don't actually have a dog in the Hugo fight. The Hugos haven't been awarded for quality-of-story in a long time. So I really like what both litters of puppies are doing, although not enough to shell out $40 and vote myself.

Mr. Williamson, however DOES have a dog in the fight, what with being a writer of enough ability to get published.

He could have voted for any authors nominated. He could have added his voice in trying to make the Hugos relevant again. |He could have voted, as he has in prior years, for the best books on the list, in his opinion/.

And he goes with NO VOTE down his ballot?

I wouldn't presume to speak for anyone else, but I am 100% convinced that Mr. Williamson does not have anything else to say in life worth reading.

Anonymous Eric Ashley July 16, 2015 8:58 PM  

Some years back, I was yanking the chain of libertarians, and said so, in a good humored way. I also tossed out an idea for a tarian milSF book.

M-Zed responded by sending me a copy of his latest ARC which was kinda similar. Not sure that Scalzi would have done likewise if I'd been kinda respectfully making fun of liberals.

So I give him +1 for being cool. And the ARC had a lot of violence in it, which gets more thumbs up.

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