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Friday, July 24, 2015

Moira Greyland obliterates the rainbow

Given what she's survived at the hands of the gay community already, I don't think they're going to intimidate her one little bit. The daughter of feminist icon Marion Zimmer Bradley and convicted child molester Walter Breen shines sunlight on the dark underbelly of homosexual culture and its obsession with molesting children:
My observation of my father and mother’s actual belief is this: since everyone is naturally gay, it is the straight establishment that makes everyone hung up and therefore limited.  Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become “who they really are.” It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other “isms.”  If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be “normal” and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish.  As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as “straight culture” goes the way of the dinosaur.  As my mother used to say: “Children are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex.”

I know, I know.  The stupidity of that particular thesis is boundless, and the actual consequence is forty-year-olds in therapy for sexual abuse, many, many suicides, and ruined lives for just about EVERYONE.  But someone needed to say it.  Will anyone hear it?

What sets gay culture apart from straight culture is the belief that early sex is good and beneficial, and the sure knowledge (don’t think for a second that they DON’T know) that the only way to produce another homosexual is to provide a boy with sexual experiences BEFORE he can be “ruined” by attraction to a girl.

If you’re OK with that, and you might not be, it is worth your consideration.  If you think I am wrong, that is your privilege, but watch out for the VAST number of stories of sexual abuse AND transgenderism that will come about from these gay “marriages.”  Already the statistics for sexual abuse of children of gays are astronomically high compared to that suffered by the children of straights.

Naturally my perspective is very uncomfortable to the liberal people I was raised with: I am “allowed” to be a victim of molestation by both parents, and “allowed” to be a victim of rather hideous violence. I am, incredibly, NOT ALLOWED to blame their homosexuality for their absolute willingness to accept all sex at all times between all people.

But that is not going to slow me down one bit. I am going to keep right on speaking out. I have been silent for entirely too long. Gay “marriage” is nothing but a way to make children over in the image of their “parents” and in ten to thirty years, the survivors will speak out.
I suspect that the eventual backlash against the rainbow fascists in the West is going to make ISIS look merciful. Remember, the historical pendulum ALWAYS swings back sooner or later. Once it becomes clear that acceptance of homosexuality necessarily requires the acceptance of widespread child molestation, there will be no mercy. There is a very good reason homosexuality was historically categorized among the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders; it is a mental disorder that typically stems from childhood abuse of one form or another.

That doesn't mean all homosexuals are evil individuals or are inclined to molest children. What Miss Greyland is saying makes it clear that they are, in fact, innocent victims, regardless of how proud they may claim to be of their past victimization. But the fact remains that there is an intrinsic link between the childhood abuse and the mental disorder, and if you disagree, then you can take it up with Moira Greyland. Just try to tell her she doesn't know what she's talking about.

This also provides an obvious response to those who ask "why don't you support gay marriage?" Because I oppose child molestation. If banning gay "marriage" will save even ONE child from being sexually abused, then it is a moral imperative.

Prior to the establishment of the federal parody of marriage, children were 10 times more likely to be molested by a parent or adult guardian if their mother was a lesbian and 3 times more often if their father was gay. As Miss Greyland predicts, imagine how that ratio is going to explode if both "parents" are gay; the math indicates it will be somewhere between 9 times and 100 times more often; given the greater access to children necessarily involved, it will probably be closer to the latter figure.

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Anonymous Ron July 24, 2015 8:03 PM  

You're right about backlash. It's only the grace of God and hundreds of miles that prevented my father from killing my molester when he found out. Were it not for the work of God in my heart, I would have no place whatsoever for gay people in this world.

Instead, I have dealt with and ministered to teens that wrestled with this sin and with the fallout of their parents homosexual relationships. Relationships which often left their teenage children broken, ruined and hopeless.

The backlash will be enormous.

Anonymous Stickwick July 24, 2015 8:14 PM  

Take what MZB said and change it to:

"Women are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex." -- Average Husband

and the outrage would bury the needle on the indignation meter. A feminist icon says it about children? Meh, not so much.

You really gotta feel for Moira. What hell she must've experienced. And yet she sounds very thoughtful and not bitter, and is trying to help others avoid this sort of pain.

Anonymous Scintan July 24, 2015 8:14 PM  

This thread should make for a lively weekend discussion. It will be interesting to see whether Gamma Ray John (Scalzi) pipes up about it or runs from it..

Blogger Edward Isaacs July 24, 2015 8:18 PM  

>Once it becomes clear that acceptance of homosexuality necessarily requires the acceptance of widespread child molestation, there will be no mercy.

I doubt this will ever "become clear," at least in the sense of being an established and well-known truth among society at large. When science is funded by the government, you get scientific studies that focus on whatever the ruling class is interested in, and results that further the ruling class's interests.

So it seems to me that it really can't become "clear" in any sense that would actually be able to create a massive backlash, until after there's already been a pretty massive regime change and the defense of homosexuality and other forms of perversion has already fallen off the official agenda.

Blogger hank.jim July 24, 2015 8:20 PM  

And abortion means the selling of baby parts. How the pendulum swings.

Anonymous Knarf July 24, 2015 8:27 PM  

Wow, and just in time for the big fall Awards Season, too!

I wonder if anyone will suggest revoking the Lifetime Achievement Award she received at the 2000 World Fantasy Con?

Anonymous 334 July 24, 2015 8:43 PM  

That is a really, really touching piece. This is not a woman knee-jerk reacting against the way she was brought up, but a level-headed observer with no agenda to legitimately criticize.

I sincerely hope some people listen.

Anonymous WillBest July 24, 2015 8:44 PM  

Phase 1 was getting it removed from the DSM. Phase 2 was legal protection. Phase 3 is recruitment. So they will need access to schools, youth groups (BSA), and church Sunday school classes.

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On a personal note, anybody had any success converting a leftist on an individual level? Because, my sister, has a knack for discounting anything said by a moderate to reactionary down to zero regardless of its logical or emotional appeal.

Anonymous Soga July 24, 2015 8:48 PM  

@8 WillBest:

Be manly, be dominant, and show your sister no mercy. #1, she's a woman. #2, she's your sister, justifying even less mercy be shown to her.

Leftists win because cuckservatives show them mercy.

Anonymous Soga July 24, 2015 8:59 PM  

Prior to the establishment of the federal parody of marriage, children were 10 times more likely to be molested by a parent or adult guardian if their mother was a lesbian and 3 times more often if their father was gay. As Miss Grey predicts, imagine how that ratio is going to explode if both "parents" are gay; the math indicates it will be somewhere between 9 times and 100 times more often; given the greater access to children necessarily involved, it will probably be closer to the latter figure.

Vox, can we have a source link to that? That would be very useful to cite when I talk to others about it!

Blogger Edward Isaacs July 24, 2015 9:01 PM  

@8

I think that shifting rightward requires a driving, highly personal motive in most cases. A bit like a religious conversion. Whether it's the gradual destruction of Christendom and Western culture, or demographic shifts that disadvantage whites, or the treason of the clerks, or #Gamergate, or feminism's deconstruction of the family and the invention of the modern woman; there always seems to be some good that people care about which is under threat from the left, that pushes those people gradually to the right.

To put it another way, to drift left is the natural state of man, just as entropy naturally rises. A positive exertion of energy is required to move to the right.

As recently as 2012, I supported Barack Obama for re-election. It was my personal concern to understand Catholicism (specifically, I did not understand why the Church taught that gay civil unions should not be recognized by the state--it seemed to me only egalitarian and fair that they should be recognized) that eventually pushed me to investigate further.

Anonymous Ron July 24, 2015 9:05 PM  

@Soga the FRC has some information about that New Study On Homosexual Parents Tops All Previous Research. The original is behind a paywall at How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar July 24, 2015 9:11 PM  

Oh but they can't stop now. DSM-V was delayed because there was a huge behind the scenes backlash against redefining pedophaelia as a sexual orientation. They're still going to do it though, they have to. HIV and AIDS has decimated an already tiny minority of perverts, and they need to boost their numbers. all sexual deviants from homosexuals, whores and prostitutes became that way through childhood sexual abuse. Childhood sexual abuse creates a myriad of mebtal disorders, but sexual deviancy is the most obvious of the disorders cause by childhood sexual abuse. Ask any prostitute on the street and she'll tell you it all started with being molested. Peadophilia is the endgame for the whole LBGTXYZ sham movement. Paedophiles run the system now, and they need to get this legalized before the paedophile rings in England the USA and Europe are finally fully ezposed.

Blogger maniacprovost July 24, 2015 9:27 PM  

I love generalizations, but some gay dudes were only abused emotionally. You can't claim they were all molested.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 July 24, 2015 9:28 PM  

This is why I personally make a distinction between Homosexual, thee apologist "Gay", and the entirely separate "lesbian".
Apparently,(actual) domestic violence "specialists", Child 'Protective" Services rent seeker enforcement folk, as well as psychiatry's unwanted jealous stepsister Psychology, have been so busy hiding the turd in the punch bowl, lest certain Social Justice Warrior "activist" vandalize them from the pages "Latest studies show....".
SEE: "Evolution of the APA "disorders". manuals.
CaptDMO

Blogger Tim_W_Burke July 24, 2015 9:30 PM  

#12, and because no science should be accepted at face value...
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/10/30/1110591/regnerus-admits-gay-parenting/

Anonymous zen0 July 24, 2015 9:34 PM  

I feel like putting Moira's story on a Lampost by the rainbow crosswalks next to City Hall, but of course if anybody reads any of it, it will be ripped down, so I am thinking of a large poster that looks like an ad for some band or other that just says " 2+2=5".

I think I just might.

Anonymous Knarf July 24, 2015 9:39 PM  

> On a personal note, anybody had any success converting a leftist on an individual level?

No. That works about as well as talking an alcoholic into quitting drinking. Leftists convert to sanity only when they have a road-to-Damascus moment and convert themselves. Usually this means they need to wake up one morning in a puddle of metaphorical political vomit and say, "Please, God, I don't want to live like this any more!"

Anonymous zen0 July 24, 2015 9:39 PM  

@14 maniacprovost

>I love generalizations, but some gay dudes were only abused emotionally. You can't claim they were all molested.

Please elaborate.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee July 24, 2015 9:41 PM  

So, has Ms.Grey joined forces with Robert Lopez over at English Manif? He's paid quite a price for coming out as an ASOL (adult son of lesbians) and he keeps paying it - for the children, don't cha know. (And who would have thought it'd be the French standing up against the lunacy? Gotta give props where they're deserved.)

Anonymous The Observer July 24, 2015 9:47 PM  

"On a personal note, anybody had any success converting a leftist on an individual level?"

You must understand that they are also quite literally brain damaged/deficient; the amygdala in R-selected leftists is atrophied. Sometimes natural, sometimes from disuse; women naturally have smaller amygdalas than men because there was always a man around to pull them out of trouble, hence no need to deal with threats. Stimulation can help develop an amygdala as Knarf suggested, but it can only go so far in naturally damaged individuals, for whom the only solution is repression of abhorrent behaviour via social norms.

Of course, leftists have tried to reframe their mental lack by labelling the amygdala the "fear center" and posing the problem as that of rightists being "fearful".

Blogger SDH July 24, 2015 9:52 PM  

If anyone has any doubts they should read this:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,702679,00.html

Blogger bw July 24, 2015 9:56 PM  

What is it with all these Happy people...?

Blogger maniacprovost July 24, 2015 9:57 PM  

Please elaborate.

Well admittedly I have never asked my flamingly homosexual friend if he was sexually molested, so I don't have direct proof that a gay dude exists who was not. However, from my observation, there is both a physiological component and a lack of male role model that causes many gay men to sexualize incorrectly. IE, they emulate their dominant mother rather than a man.

I'm sure sexual molestation can cause the same effect. And of course there is the whispering of evil that bends repressed desires towards deviant acts. That's the classic youth group leader / situational child molester.

Blogger Doom July 24, 2015 10:04 PM  

I've always wondered if you used the nazi style methods (the ones they are currently using to have the state force their views) to ascertain every single one of them, then eliminated them, along with all literature and all other data about them, or that they even existed, whether some would natively crop up. Hey, it's science. Just ask Hitler, Stalin, Ayatollah Khamenei, and many others. Just science, and that is settled.

Honestly, though, I doubt if you are correct Vox. I am beginning to think the world is so fallen that as long as "regular" folk can just trade off, or have their own, kids, they might be just fine with it. Hey, they want to know if they can have a longer football season, cheaper icecream, and more popcorn. At best, they just won't get involved.

On the one side, with families having only a few children, it's much easier to reach out and touch them all. Just a numbers game. Thank you, American Churches, for your support of the pill and the rest.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 10:11 PM  

When I worked in records at a prison every single homosexual childmolester and homosexuals were way overrepresented for all sex crimes, reported either being molested as a child or that they molested other children. Any one whose worked in the field for any time can identify a sex criminal by sight.

Blogger Mindstorm July 24, 2015 10:18 PM  

Humans, generally, are not panmictic, IOW randomly promiscuous. I don't know where this silly belief has originated from.

Anonymous Godfrey July 24, 2015 10:20 PM  

The older I get the more I realize that it is a spiritual battle that we are fighting. There is something dark and sinister at the center of it all.

Anonymous zen0 July 24, 2015 10:22 PM  

@25. Doom

. Hey, they want to know if they can have a longer football season, cheaper icecream, and more popcorn. At best, they just won't get involved.

There will come a time when they do not have a choice.

Anonymous zen0 July 24, 2015 10:28 PM  

@28 Godfrey

The older I get the more I realize that it is a spiritual battle that we are fighting. There is something dark and sinister at the center of it all.

When darkness is dominant, a shaft of light is harsh, and a point of conflict. The more the light shines, the more the conflict. Rejoice in the conflict.

Blogger automatthew July 24, 2015 10:35 PM  

This is why my ancestors drowned them in bogs.

Anonymous zen0 July 24, 2015 10:39 PM  

> This is why my ancestors drowned them in bogs.

The old ways are the best.

Blogger Anonymous July 24, 2015 10:46 PM  

It would appear that homosexuality is simply concentrated r selection.

Koanic

Blogger Groot July 24, 2015 10:53 PM  

26. Donn #0114
"Any one whose worked in the field for any time can identify a sex criminal by sight."

What are the characteristics?

30. zen0 July 24, 2015 10:28 PM

@28 Godfrey
"When darkness is dominant, a shaft of light is harsh, and a point of conflict. The more the light shines, the more the conflict. Rejoice in the conflict."

This shaft of light seems to me to be the Internet. Freedom of speech enabled by technology alerts more people. It inherently works against political correctness, SJWs and others who seek to strangle dissent. Look at Pao at Reddit. There are increasing avenues of persuasion.

The Left Versus The Internet

Blogger Groot July 24, 2015 10:54 PM  

That was supposed to be:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/23/the-left-versus-the-internet/

Blogger bob k. mando July 24, 2015 11:07 PM  

and once again, i point out the obvious about the entry of the angels into Sodom.

the men of Sodom forced strangers who would enter their city to participate in sexual orgies.

now, true, this is not perfectly analogous to Moira saying that they wish to force molestation of children ...

but the basic principle is the same.

and to pretend that this principle was not also applied to Lot on *his* first night in the city is simply absurd.

Blogger Doc Rampage July 24, 2015 11:13 PM  

I've always suspected that "gay bashing" is usually done by men who were victimized by homosexuals as children and harbor a deep outrage because of it. They know that they have to suppress their rage because unlike an adult woman who has been raped or an adult gay who has been attacked, no one cares about them (unless their rapist was a Catholic priest), but sometimes the rage boils over and they take it out on the nearest gay man.

Not all child victims of gay rape will turn gay; some will turn angry. As more and more gay men are given access to children, not only will the number of gay men grow, but also the number of angry men who want to hurt gays. I suspect that some day this latter group will reach a critical level.

Blogger automatthew July 24, 2015 11:15 PM  

@37: I suspect that some day this latter group will reach a critical level.

We're gonna need a bigger bog.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 24, 2015 11:38 PM  

There's no way the SJW's and the rest of the hate filled left can disqualify her so they will have to actively ignore her, blacklist her away from any media sources, and of course lie about her.

Because that's what they do.

Blogger AmyJ July 24, 2015 11:39 PM  

@maniacprovost
"there is both a physiological component and a lack of male role model that causes many gay men to sexualize incorrectly. IE, they emulate their dominant mother rather than a man."

A gay friend of mine told me he figured he was gay because women were never a mystery to him, having been raised by a single mother and several aunts. His father had hit the road before he was born. He loved being around guys because he got that thrill that one usually gets from watching the opposite sex and never felt that way about women (he refers to boobs as fat bags).

Single motherhood strikes again.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar July 25, 2015 12:06 AM  

Childhood sexual abuse doesn't always cause homosexuality, but sexual deviancy in general is a side effect. Strippers, sex workers, porn stars, swingers, and street walkers all tell the same stories about adult relatives molesting them and now they get sexual pleasure only through dirty and nasty ways. Child molestation changes the development of the child from healthy passion to dirty and nast filth. Being raped sometimes changes the psychology of women to turn to dirty and abusive men similar to their rapist because they feel dirty and unworthy of love. Like psychometry which is being suppressed for its anti-egalitarian findings, these well known fact of sexual deviancy are hidden to hide the dirty and sordid secret of where these dark desires that ruin so many lives and societies originates. To prevent treatment, and encourage the recruitment of more victims for the procurers, molesters and rapists that inhabit the upper tier of this Satanic System.

Blogger Bard July 25, 2015 12:12 AM  

Can we now email all the same businesses that support the rainbow and ask why they support child molestation?

Anonymous Soga July 25, 2015 12:13 AM  

Wait a second, wait a second.

So it's accepted mainstream knowledge that molesting children tends to make those same children grow up into child molesters. But suggest a related effect with respect to homosexuality, and......... what's that? You're a RSHD!

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 12:14 AM  

41. Joshua Sinistar July 25, 2015 12:06 AM
Childhood sexual abuse doesn't always cause homosexuality



i would agree.

i would also agree that you don't HAVE to have a queer in the village in order to initiate a deviancy cascade.

simply have a high functioning socio/psychopath. adult or child doesn't matter.

that's exactly the kind of person who enjoys humiliating and violating other people, regardless of sex.

you get one of those loose with a generation of children and unwary parents and a single perp could easily molest dozens.

Anonymous Soga July 25, 2015 12:19 AM  

Some basic internet research will also demonstrate that early sexual experience correlates strongly with sexual quirks and kinks that a person develops over his lifetime.

There are websites where people post about their life stories, and in many cases among homosexual posters, their stories tend to involve some kind of same-sex molestation early on. It's almost a trope.

Blogger Doom July 25, 2015 12:44 AM  

@29 Perhaps after death. But while still breathing, there are many who would literally go prostrate, naked, and ignore whatever was happening behind them, just to not have to think or do anything. In one sense you are correct. I simply think you fail to understand just how bad it has gotten. Remember, Zero was elected twice. What are the favorables for congress, and the retention rate? Pick an institution, look at it's favorables, and then consider what is being done about it.

Blogger Doom July 25, 2015 12:45 AM  

And I remind, most of us would no more do a poll than we would vote. *wink*

Blogger Daniel July 25, 2015 12:45 AM  

Grey's truthtelling betrays the Wasp Factory for the inelegant lie that it is.

Blogger automatthew July 25, 2015 12:49 AM  

bob k. @44: you get one of those loose with a generation of children and unwary parents and a single perp could easily molest dozens.

That's a really good theory as to how it could have started.


Lamech said to his wives, "Adah and Zillah, Listen to my voice, You wives of Lamech, Give heed to my speech, For I have killed a man for wounding me; And a boy for striking me; If Cain is avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold

Anonymous Discard July 25, 2015 12:54 AM  

With regard to convincing non-rightists that homosexual marriage is a bad idea, my way of quickly making the point is to say that we are going to get exactly what the Catholic Church got when they decided to tolerate homosexual priests. That it will take a while, but it will happen. Everybody knows about priestly molestation, so I don't have to explain the context, and nobody will defend child molestation.
This will not convince SJWs but it will sow doubt in the minds of others. Not everyone will read even the most eloquent argument, but they can't help but hear a single sentence.

Anonymous Xopher Halftongue July 25, 2015 1:01 AM  

OT: But found this at a cuckservative blog (HT: Lorhead)

Cuckservative Patrick Murphy at - http://bearingdrift.com/2015/07/23/arecuckservatives-the-new-rinos/ - who called for the dispossession of Whites in the U.S. lives at:

15948 Donald Curtis Dr, Woodbridge, VA 22191

He put this address out in public all by himself. Send him letters showing how disgusted you are by his behavior. But please be polite.

OpenID crazdmadman July 25, 2015 1:49 AM  

Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become “who they really are.” It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other “isms.” If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be “normal” and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish. As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as “straight culture” goes the way of the dinosaur. As my mother used to say: “Children are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex.”


...that sounds a lot like what Delany was implying in the "interview" he did with Will Shetterly last year.

Anonymous Gormless SJW July 25, 2015 1:55 AM  

@Soga the FRC has some information about that New Study On Homosexual Parents Tops All Previous Research. The original is behind a paywall at How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study.

Ah-ha! The necessity I should pay to see these studies just shows how racist, sexist, and homophobic it really is!

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata July 25, 2015 2:01 AM  

and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 25, 2015 2:01 AM  

Interesting snippet in The Independent this week, about the long-running rumouts of cabinet level pedophklia rings. One of the defences offered was that MI5 were running a smear against someone because he'd instigated a review of their funding.
I dont brlieve he was innocent. That's not the point at all. The point is that it was openly discussed that MI5 (and by extension other "security" organs) routinely behave in this manner.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 25, 2015 2:14 AM  

Groot - Hard to explain to someone who hasn't been there. There are the obvious physical and body language cues. Para language plays a part but mannerisms are big tells.

Blogger YIH July 25, 2015 3:18 AM  

Here is something to think about: ''the Shakers''.
To them, they consider any sexuality sinful. Yes, including Man and wife.
If all heterosexual procreation (including married couples) is forbidden, how 'do they grow their faith'?
There is only one answer is there not?
The 'Shakers' have only one way to get more 'Shakers':
Shakers were celibate; procreation was forbidden after they joined the society (except for women who were already pregnant at admission). Children were added to their communities through indenture, adoption, or conversion. Occasionally a foundling was anonymously left on a Shaker doorstep.[26] They welcomed all, often taking in orphans and the homeless. For children, Shaker life was structured, safe and predictable, with no shortage of adults who cared about their young charges.[27]

When Shaker youngsters, girls and boys, reached the age of 21, they were free to leave or to remain with the Shakers. Unwilling to remain celibate, many chose to leave; today there are thousands of descendants of Shaker-raised seceders.[28]

IOW, they could only 'recruit' new Shakers, they were forbidden from having even heterosexual sex within marriage (they did allow marriage, just not sex, including within marriage).
Homosexuals are equally twisted, it is not possible to create new homos 'the natural way' so what other option do they have?

Anonymous Difster VFM #0109 July 25, 2015 4:09 AM  

Identity politics has made it very easy to identify homosexuals because they "live it out loud," and are proud to be sexual deviants.

On the day that backlash comes, they're going to regret that. They'll suddenly lose the swishy hips, the feminine mannerisms, the primping and preening and they will go back to blending in the way they always have. They will go back to hiding their sin from decent people which will in fact have the net effect of making them generally decent people. Don't confuse decent with righteous however. We all know decent people with hideous practices.

The tide of the culture war is turning; there's no time for slacking off.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 25, 2015 5:06 AM  

This is so sick, I can't even... What disordered minds, and now they essentially RUN things!

I had a post on this very topic some time ago

http://citadelfoundations.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/sodomic-tendencies-undeniable-gateway.html

Mark my words, when the epoch ends, before any other group gets their comeuppance, it will be the child molesting degenerates who dare say this abominable filth.

Anonymous Pax Romana July 25, 2015 5:13 AM  

This post proves that Vox is an optimist, for rather than assume an utterly degenerate snowball effect, he assumes that humanity will wake up when they see the gay agenda has gone too far.

I applaud you that faith in humanity, sir, or perhaps you see it as faith that God will not allow His Creation to continue to abuse themselves - who am I to claim what you believe? - but either way, good show, sir.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 5:27 AM  

This post proves that Vox is an optimist, for rather than assume an utterly degenerate snowball effect, he assumes that humanity will wake up when they see the gay agenda has gone too far.

No, I am merely an observer of the cyclical pattern of history.

Anonymous John V. Marsch July 25, 2015 5:54 AM  

She's Moira Greyland, not Moira Grey.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 6:08 AM  

Thanks, corrected.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 6:53 AM  

Go away, Thordaddy. You add nothing to the discourse.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 25, 2015 7:02 AM  

we are going to get exactly what the Catholic Church got when they decided to tolerate homosexual priests.

Yep. The left attacked the Church over that because attacking the Church is what the left does, but it was a direct result of the Church caving in to the left's social dictates, especially modern psychology. By the 1950s, the seminaries were filling up with homosexuals, while at the same time, theories like what she's talking about -- that you could actually head off adult sexual problems by having kids experiment sexually before they developed "hang-ups" -- were showing up in the literature.

It was mostly an excuse, of course. But it gave people emotional justification for what they wanted to do. If a priest with homosexual urges found himself counseling a young man who was struggling with the same thing, he had books on his shelf, written by good, forward-thinking progressive psychologists, that said some experience with those urges was just what the kid needed to get past them and have a sexually healthy adulthood.

But that all had to go down the memory hole when homosexuality became a good thing, because no one wanted to be remembered for calling it a deviancy and promoting theories for how to cure it.

Anonymous Miserman July 25, 2015 7:41 AM  

The difference between the gay community and orthodox Christianity (Protestant or Catholic) is, respectively, that one believes humanity is basically good with a few bad apples and the other believes everyone is a bad apple.

Blogger Thordaddy July 25, 2015 7:45 AM  

Vox...

You and I need to get in the Octagon.

Anonymous anonymous coward July 25, 2015 8:03 AM  

and nobody will defend child molestation.
Really? You'd be surprised. Remember my words when they decide to lower the age of consent to 9. (Or even 6.)

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 8:07 AM  

You and I need to get in the Octagon.

That would be fine. What you don't seem to understand is that my blog is not the Octagon. If you want to write whatever you want to write, you should start your own blog. One reason VP continues to grow is because I don't permit permit parasites who try to hijack it for their own purposes.

I'll even provide a link to your blog in the blogroll. But you are not permitted to continue constantly trying to hijack my blog. Period.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 8:14 AM  

"You and I need to get in the Octagon."

hahahaahaha

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 8:18 AM  

My personal bias keeps coloring my reactions to these studies. In my own extended family, there are four queers, two dykes, two bi guys, one bi girl,one girl to boy tranny out of a total of 31 kids post puberty. (Still have 17 younger uns)

Everyone of these kids were and are loved. Sexual abuse? We would sss. There wasn't any, we'd know, the last sexual predator in our family was two generations ago and he "passed away(pillow held over his fucking face) in his sleep". So our family was odd in that respect in their vigilance.

Yet.....while we aren't perfect, we do say thoughtless things and spank butts when kids are bad, there is absolutely nothing we can do to explain why my youngest cousin kept asking when she would grow her dick from age five, or the rest of the queer ones.We've done counseling, church, laying of hands, et. cetera.

We don't know, but the kids are loved and welcomed. Maybe its our environment or hormones or genes, its not a phase, they are between 17 and 30 now. Two have married and the rest seem okay, what I find interesting is they HATE gay culture, community. Its the same response when I ask them "its always about fucking and ass and cock and vaginas and marching" they want sex to be part of home, not make a house out of sex in other words.

I know, it's anecdotal, I'm sure I'm gonna hear "you didn't do enough! You should've kicked them out, you should've...." we are very tight knit, my children are theirs and vice versa.

So, that's my take on it.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 8:26 AM  

"I know, it's anecdotal, I'm sure I'm gonna hear "you didn't do enough! You should've kicked them out, you should've...." we are very tight knit, my children are theirs and vice versa. "

no... what you're going to hear is.... you are naive. You don't get someone broken enough to be a tranny without serious abuse.

Anonymous Dave July 25, 2015 8:28 AM  

ScoobyDave said...

Vox,

Been reading your blog for years, great work!

This particular subject has always been of interest to me from a historical perspective. Homosexuality always seems to prevail in the twilight of a civilization.

I've seen this "train" coming to the station for the better part of twenty years. It's all about gaining access to children, always has been.

When I was a teen, my best friend of ten years announced he was gay when he turned 18. This guy's personality changed overnight and he became a different person. I tried to be open minded about the whole things and was marginally exposed to the gay culture. I think my purpose was to try and understand the mindset where all this was "coming from"...

It was until years later (we drifted apart) and I started reflecting on his history that I realized that he had not been "born that way", but his early childhood was perhaps traumatic... Without getting too much into it, it was the typical "dominant mother/weak father" dynamic.

I also know many survivors of sexual abuse and incest and was suprised by one's survivors candid admission that it would have been easier for her to become a lesbian then to deal with all her issues. She's a wonderful whole women now, but her statement has always stayed with me.

When I encounter lesbians, I always think: "did you now have enough guts to deal with your issues?"

Anyway, I always keep this in mind when dealing with these issues "the wisdom of every command shall be tested". It seems we have to learn, the hard way, why certain social rules exist.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 25, 2015 8:36 AM  

Discard @50 : "Everybody knows about priestly molestation, so I don't have to explain the context, and nobody will defend child molestation."

Reports on what has been tried and found to work are good.

anonymous coward @58 : "Really? You'd be surprised. Remember my words when they decide to lower the age of consent to 9. (Or even 6.)"

They won't defend "child molestation"; they'll call it something else.

But so far, nobody Discard uses his one sentence on will defend the practice under plain language or under an approved social justice warrior euphemism. Likely because, so far, there is no settled social justice warrior term for what queers are going to to to the multitudes of children that the Supreme Court has effectively put in their clutches.

Anonymous Stephen J. July 25, 2015 8:57 AM  

"You don't get someone broken enough to be a tranny without serious abuse."

Problem is there's no way to falsify that hypothesis; how do you prove for any given trans individual that abuse has never occurred, when it is always plausible to reject either their own or their family's testimony about their experiences as erroneous or delusional?

I personally think sex is like any other behavior pattern: it's a combination of genetic predilection, cultural habituation and personal choice, with the relative influence of each varying by individual and society; there are no 100% absolute consistent correlations . . . but there *are* tendencies strong enough to merit taking into account, and there *is* a difference between being as fair as possible to individuals and risking children on the observable patterns of a group.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 9:05 AM  

Sexual abuse? We would sss. There wasn't any, we'd know, the last sexual predator in our family was two generations ago and he "passed away(pillow held over his fucking face) in his sleep".

In other words, you have victims of a sexual predator in your family one generation ago....

Problem is there's no way to falsify that hypothesis; how do you prove for any given trans individual that abuse has never occurred, when it is always plausible to reject either their own or their family's testimony about their experiences as erroneous or delusional?

So what? You don't. The point is that there is a connection between abuse and homosexuality that is statistically similar to the connection between smoking and lung cancer. A man with lung cancer might not have been a smoker, but you're pretty safe to assume he was and it is intellectually dishonest to assume he was not.

Blogger Joseph Dooley July 25, 2015 9:43 AM  

The backlash has to come from somewhere. Who will it be? Catholics or Baptists?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 25, 2015 9:45 AM  

Using the word "equality" turns it into a sham as with anything else the left uses that rhetoric to advance their agenda.

FTR I have long been and advocate of "gay liberation" the old scream at the fags bullshit simply was not a long term solution. I would prefer a vigorous application of the Culture of Critique, make it across the spectrum of the Left's grouplets.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 9:46 AM  

You have a problem with reading comprehension Nate.

The older gen(grands and great grands) taught us well. Both her father and mother were sweating bullets and we looked over their friends as well. There are no other dysfunctional children associated with them.

All I will say is, what that asshole predator did to his family was horrific. It has carried over down the line.

Anonymous Stephen J. July 25, 2015 9:51 AM  

"A man with lung cancer might not have been a smoker, but you're pretty safe to assume he was and it is intellectually dishonest to assume he was not."

Of course, barring lack of other evidence; but if you get plausible testimony from those who know that (a) this lung cancer patient wasn't a smoker, and (b) he worked in a Chinese coal mine for forty years, it's equally dishonest to immediately reject that testimony on the basis of, "No, smoking causes cancer, everybody knows that, so he must be or have been a smoker! Find his cigarettes, now, and if you can't find them it only means you haven't looked hard enough!" I have a great dislike for that kind of invisible cat logic.

And while for my own part I agree the correlation is, in fact, just as obvious as the smoking-cancer analogy, the problem is that sex is not smoking and abuse is not cancer, and the link between them is not biological but psychological, which means that any law meant to prevent the latter by proscribing the former amounts to preemptively punishing individuals for the crimes of their peers -- something the Judeo-Christian/Anglosphere legal tradition had always had problems with. (I seem to recall a number of complaints in this very blog about the philosophy that willingly accepts draconian laws about things like smoking and trans fats.)

Which is one reason why the right of private freedom of association -- and refusal to associate -- must become absolutely paramount to defend, even more so than speech. I will accept the right of any given gay man to ask for the legal presumption of innocence when being considered as a Scout master, precisely so long as I get the right to withdraw my son from any troop he oversees or any event where other adults will not be present.

Anonymous The Observer July 25, 2015 9:53 AM  

@74:

Of course. It's being called "genetic sexual attraction" to ease it in:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-59dboUQAETCjD.png:large

"Paedophilia is natural and normal for males."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

Blogger Midnight Avenue J July 25, 2015 10:22 AM  

@81, I feel like I need a shower, again, after reading that article.

Homo or hetero, peadophilia might be something that is an instinct or a tendency, and the academics who coo about it call the experiences "tender and loving" rather than rape of a child who doesn't know enough or know any better than to go along with whatever the grown-up is doing.

I am a female victim of hetero pedophilia. I didn't go gay or even have a crazy sex life - I escaped into drugs and lived in a shell for a long, long time. To call my experience something "tender and loving" is an insult to victims the world over. Fuck them. Academia cannot fall hard or fast enough.

I try not to let this issue agitate me any longer but it gets under my skin to hear people justify pedos. But, many, many years ago I heard it pointed out that "born this way" would apply to gays today, pedos tomorrow. And how right that is. Too right.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J July 25, 2015 10:24 AM  

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Blogger haus frau July 25, 2015 10:32 AM  

Well, its not like they're shy about admitting their recruiting goals in public anymore. Did anyone else see this article? I commend Moyra that she seems to have an iron core in spite of her experiences.
"I'm gay and I want my kid to be gay too"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/im-gay-i-want-my-kid-to-be-gay-too/2015/02/19/eba697c2-b847-11e4-aa05-1ce812b3fdd2_story.html

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch July 25, 2015 10:33 AM  

I once saw a gay person with feathers, that means all gay people are secretly birds, birds who molest their children.

The above is an example of the extreme level of intellectual debate and discussion going on in this thread.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 10:35 AM  

'The above is an example of the extreme level of intellectual debate and discussion going on in this thread."

***chuckle*** you can pretend otherwise all you like.. but the stats are there for you to see... and they don't lie.

Anonymous LLC July 25, 2015 10:35 AM  

My wife started reading Moira Grey's column, stopped, and looked up at me. "That must be why I couldn't stomach Mists of Avalon."

"I didn't think we had any Marion Zimmerman on our shelves."

"We don't. My librarian at school got it in and I told her I'd read it. I only read the first few pages before telling her I couldn't stomach it and handed it back. I couldn't figure out why, but I had a gut reaction to it from the start."

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch July 25, 2015 10:44 AM  

In this thread at least most people seem to be using purely ancedotal evidence.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 10:57 AM  

"In this thread at least most people seem to be using purely ancedotal evidence."

AKA... personal experience. Its what people have. Again.. Vox sited the stats in the original post.

The fact is there is a militant sub-culture of homosexuality that is absolutely pure evil. It is not the whole of homosexuality but it is there... and it has been driving the narrative for a long long time.

Anonymous Menelaus July 25, 2015 11:03 AM  

Speaking of pedophiles

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) July 25, 2015 11:19 AM  

Speaking of pedophiles

Pretty lax with the definitions, that one.

Blogger Danby July 25, 2015 11:24 AM  

The backlash has to come from somewhere. Who will it be? Catholics or Baptists?

As a Catholic, I would like to say it will the Catholic Church, but... well, look at our new pope.

Sorry Jesus. We should do better.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) July 25, 2015 11:36 AM  

In this thread at least most people seem to be using purely ancedotal evidence.
Some have cited the rigorous statistical studies. The others are going "that passes the smell test."
Would you be satisfied if only the studies were referenced?

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) July 25, 2015 11:38 AM  

From the linked article:

When my daughter plays house with her stuffed koala bears as the mom and dad, we gently remind her that they could be a dad and dad. Sometimes she changes her narrative. Sometimes she doesn’t. It’s her choice.

People like to propagate their own, whatever traits that may entail. The objective impact of this on offspring or society is generally discounted to accommodate whatever feels happen to burden the parent. This is why the doctrine of live and let live is consistently torpedoed (insofar as the law is concerned) by variants of us vs versus them. It is not enough to not care what goes on in someone's bedroom, what goes on there must be celebrated, or you're obviously bad.

Ergo, the rainbow was never about equality. It is about increasing the quantity of q.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 12:00 PM  

Of course, barring lack of other evidence; but if you get plausible testimony from those who know that (a) this lung cancer patient wasn't a smoker, and (b) he worked in a Chinese coal mine for forty years, it's equally dishonest to immediately reject that testimony on the basis of, "No, smoking causes cancer, everybody knows that, so he must be or have been a smoker! Find his cigarettes, now, and if you can't find them it only means you haven't looked hard enough!" I have a great dislike for that kind of invisible cat logic.

The testimony from a family member that sexual abuse is not possible in a family where there were previously known sexual predators is not plausible. Most family members are not aware of most sexual abuse taking place.

That doesn't prove that any abuse took place, but it is the way the probabilities lie. We don't know. And more to the point, he doesn't know either. And he's naturally a lot more emotionally vested in not wanting to believe any of his family members are responsible having abused those 10 children.

If there is a genetic component, having 32 percent of the kids develop abnormally compared to 2 percent of the population would tend to argue for it. But given that the previous generation of adults were apparently victimized, it's more likely that there is a hidden predator there.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 12:02 PM  

I spoke wrongly Vox, it was my great grands and grands who suffered. He got three innocent men sent to jail to cover his ass. Threatened a five year old girl with the death of her entire family if she didn't point to his own brother. The other two men he'd suckered into a bad business deal.

He and his wife scattered their own children, sold most into farm slavery, and skipped town.

His children escaped or were brought/rescued by his sister. They made a vow, NEVER to allow something like that to happen again.

It may not seem like much, but it carried down in little things like one pieces for the girls at the beach, while their friends have two piece, Cutting their hair to make them more boyish. Just odd things like that in the pictures of my parents generation.

The fear is still there. And apologies for the late reply, typing on breaks.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 12:02 PM  

The above is an example of the extreme level of intellectual debate and discussion going on in this thread.

You're lying. Retract or be spammed.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 12:06 PM  

No disagreements Nate. And agreed with Vox on the pendulum swinging hard back.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 12:09 PM  

His children escaped or were brought/rescued by his sister. They made a vow, NEVER to allow something like that to happen again.

I believe you. And I also observe that it isn't non-smokers who vow to never smoke again. Look, you know your family. I don't. I hope you're right. But some predators are very, very good at masking themselves.

And with that much aberrant behavior in a single generation of your family, without there being any reported in the previous generation, it is statistically unlikely to be mere coincidence. That's the problem where families are involved; is it genetics or is it access?

If we were talking about a school or a church, you'd be pretty confident that it was a predatory teacher or pastor. But with that much aberrant behavior in a family, it could be either. I'm not casting any stones here, that's just my neutral observation.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 12:23 PM  

there is also the fact that every single time it happens... most of the family, if not all, is shocked that it could possibly have happened.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 12:33 PM  

Yes, I understand. This post just hit a raw nerve.

I'll give an example: my sister recently married a good man, they are taking care of his nephew who was brutally abused by his mother's boyfriend. We can't prove sexual abuse, but we suspect it.

This boy wants to be a girl. Now, the difference between him and my trans cousin and gay cousins is night and day. Aside from their abnormal sexuality, they are, for lack of a better term, "normal". He is a nightmare. Eating and gastrointestinal disorders, rail thin, speaks off the wall horrific things calmly. Is sexualized and has approached adult men in the family in what can only be due to the things he speaks of or was done to him (he never says anything about himself) cannot be allowed alone with other children or animals.

My grandfather says, "he acts just like my sister". He is referring to the one who was given a dress with paraffin wrap and sent up into the attic with candles and matches. Her own mother did that because she had contracted an STD from the bastard. I don't need to explain why.

I know this is anonymous and sounds unbelievable. I don't blame your skepticism.
All I can say is, it is a part of my family, it has impacted four generations. So far, knock wood.

Blogger Eric Medvich July 25, 2015 12:43 PM  

According to Wiki "Amongst the first[ to publicly distance themselves] was John Scalzi, who within a day of the allegations being made public, described the allegations as "horrific". As they say in Dragonlance "Evil turns upon itself."

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 July 25, 2015 12:46 PM  

My wife has a friend with a lesbian sister. The officialstory as always been that she has always been attracted to women from a very young age.

I told my wife to ask her friend when her sister was abused. My wife is a bit of a psychopath, so she was happy to comply. The initial reaction was indignation and fury, but a couple years later my wife's friend admitted to my wife that yes, her sister had been abused by a family friend at yes you guessed it, a very young age.

Anonymous kfg July 25, 2015 1:08 PM  

"They made a vow, NEVER to allow something like that to happen again. "

Which while often the truth is, however, also a red flag for the most stealthy and vicious of molesters. It is the very vow that makes them so.

" . . . it carried down in little things like one pieces for the girls at the beach, while their friends have two piece, Cutting their hair to make them more boyish."

So they have been raised aberrantly, and they know they have been raised aberrantly. That is rarely a good sign for developing mental health. You may not wish to see it, but the damage continues on down the generations in a way that anybody can plainly see.

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 1:24 PM  

71. Takin' a look July 25, 2015 8:18 AM
there is absolutely nothing we can do to explain why my youngest cousin kept asking when she would grow her dick from age five



in a family that is taking militant measures AGAINST pedophilia / child abuse ...

how is it possible that a five year old girl knows what a penis looks like? i mean, what, you're letting her help change diapers?


i'll also note that if you spend too much time fixating on 'anti-' something while child rearing ... all you're going to do is make the kids curious.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 1:25 PM  

"If however I am wrong, and you also believe personal experience holds little sway in a debate compared to researched facts I will retract."

What you're ignoring is that it is both personal experience and statistical fact.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 July 25, 2015 1:26 PM  

Takin a Look,

Ok I get it. You're the moon family from "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".

Anonymous Discard July 25, 2015 1:36 PM  

Travis Landenwitsch: In a society that lies about everything, we have to trust our own eyes and our own reasoning, just as the people of the USSR did. We are, in effect, intelligence analysts rather than fools who take our enemies' evasions, diversions, and lies at face value.

Anonymous kfg July 25, 2015 1:38 PM  

"What you're ignoring is that it is both personal experience and statistical fact."

The smell test must be compared to objective data to be taken with any degree of validity, but it is equally true that the objective data must pass the smell test.

It is when the two align that you can begin thinking that you might be on to something.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 2:03 PM  

Kfg

True, however, my generation and the one after me were much more relaxed. The girls were/are allowed to be girls for example.

Your hypothesis has merit, except,....you would basically be saying that the 30 year old lesbian and the 9 other sexual abnormals between 17 and 23 have been all raped. These are children from different parents (all except one couple still married) they have younger and older siblings who are hetero sexual.

We think it is a combination of both the openess for sexual deviancy and possibly man made chemicals in the environment. Look at all the intersex alligators, frogs and catfish that are coming out of lake Okeechobee for example.

I know that sounds wacky, but it is the best explaination we have for ourselves right now. Given that Satan is rex mundi and baal peor is one of his favorites, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that his agents in this world are making sure Job's trial extends to everyone from the moment of conception in the most perverted and heartbreaking manners possible.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 2:05 PM  

Hmmmm, bob.....you must be an only child.

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 2:46 PM  

111. Takin' a look July 25, 2015 2:05 PM
Hmmmm, bob.....you must be an only child.



no, i covered that earlier. children can molest children.

Anonymous Adam1 July 25, 2015 2:48 PM  

Paging BGS, paging BGS. Would you come to comments please.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 2:56 PM  

BGS has been very candid about the connection between many adult homosexual males and their habits of preying on young boys.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 2:56 PM  

BGS has been very candid about the connection between many adult homosexual males and their habits of preying on young boys.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 2:56 PM  

"If however I am wrong, and you also believe personal experience holds little sway in a debate compared to researched facts I will retract."

What you're ignoring is that it is both personal experience and statistical fact.

Blogger Nate July 25, 2015 2:56 PM  

there is also the fact that every single time it happens... most of the family, if not all, is shocked that it could possibly have happened.

Blogger Eric Medvich July 25, 2015 2:56 PM  

@99 For those of you who care, here is a perfect example of a predator in sheep's clothing. Most are, that is how they get away with it for so long. You will notice his complete lack of remorse. Reference Walter Breen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu17Wuq3nI8

Blogger SciVo July 25, 2015 3:14 PM  

VD @95: If there is a genetic component, having 32 percent of the kids develop abnormally compared to 2 percent of the population would tend to argue for it. But given that the previous generation of adults were apparently victimized, it's more likely that there is a hidden predator there.

Another possibility is epigenetics. Perhaps the trauma caused changes to the biochemical signaling that controls the expression of genes, that could be passed down in the cellular material of the gametes for a generation or three (such as with the water flea Daphnia for example).

There's an interesting parallel with the 2nd Commandment. Exodus 20:5-6: "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."

Blogger haus frau July 25, 2015 3:21 PM  

"If however I am wrong, and you also believe personal experience holds little sway in a debate compared to researched facts I will retract."

I have a cousin who was molested by his mom's gay friend. He was put into foster care shortly while my uncle fought for custody of his younger sister during the divorce. He had been caught touching his sister inappropriately. He is now an adult newly married to a woman so not all victims turn gay but it is notable that molesting other children is a common indication of child abuse. This is not theoretical math. Human nature and behavioral patterns are observable to anyone willing to see.

Blogger Tupla-J July 25, 2015 3:25 PM  

I read Regnerus's study was discredited by several sociologists, but I get the impression that the critique consists of bullshitting and DISQUALIFY! -magical word use which has tried to smear him a fraud. Has anyone looked into it, is Regnerus's study valid and how about its critique?

Blogger IM2L844 July 25, 2015 3:35 PM  

There is no gay gene. Genetically, homosexuality is a biological dead end unless it's a commonly recurring mutation.

Now that the SCOTUS has ruled that achieving orgasm is tantamount to the pursuit of happiness, it doesn't really matter. We'll never put that genie back in the bottle.

I wish there was a gay gene so we could test for it and see who the posers are.

Blogger haus frau July 25, 2015 3:54 PM  

@121
"I read Regnerus's study was discredited by several sociologists, but I get the impression that the critique consists of bullshitting and DISQUALIFY! "

I brought that study with gay marriage supporters. One of the problems with the study is that children raised from birth exclusively by a monogamous homosexual couple are very rare. To gather a suitable sample size of children of gay parents they had to include children from divorced parents or never married couples. The gays argued that the divorces and instability caused the recorded problems in the adult children. I pointed out that the fact monogamous gay parents are rare tends to indicate that unstable relationships are a feature and not a bug of the homosexual lifestyle. It would be very interesting to see the results of an objective study of children raised in monogamous gay relationships.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 July 25, 2015 4:05 PM  

@ 99: VD: But some predators are very, very good at masking themselves.

My wife's family has a sexual predator in it. He is a pariah to us all. The only reason I didn't throttle him myself was that he got arrested and sent to the big house before I could do so (it was when I was living in Europe).

My wife swears he never did anything to her as she grew up, and I have no reason to think she is lying, but he definitely did things to others ( and we have no idea how many - two have been confirmed via court proceedings).

Still, my wife has done quite a bit of research on the topic in general, since it was so close to home. There is a really good book that covers much of this material. It is called Predators: Pedophiles, Rapists & Other Sex Offenders by Anna C. Salter.

In the book, she discusses in detail how these predators will often abuse children IN THE CAR WITH the child's parents present. They are crafty and sly. They have a believable excuse for everything. They can not only abuse children in the next room, but merely feet away from those who should be protecting the child. After reading that book, I am much more diligent in my oversight of my children (and I was pretty darn diligent before). Yes, they are good at masking themselves.

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 4:06 PM  

120. haus frau July 25, 2015 3:21 PM
but it is notable that molesting other children is a common indication of child abuse.



and i can vouch for that ... from personal experience.

although we have it on Travis' authority that personal experience is not permitted in the discourse.

Blogger Ragin' Dave July 25, 2015 4:44 PM  

I am amused at the people who try to claim that personal experience, aka "anecdotal evidence" shouldn't be allowed. I can remember when having personal experience couldn't be trumped. It was called being a "primary source". Try to claim that Cindy Sheehan was a political hack using her dead son's body to personally enrich herself? "HOW DO YOU KNOW, MAN? HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? HAVE YOU LIVED IT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE?"

Point out in 2004 that John F'n Kerry was a backstabbing piece of crap who was universally loathed by his men, and it was "HOW DO YOU KNOW, MAN? WHERE YOU THERE?" Point out that the people who were there actually wrote a book about how Kerry was unfit to be a dog-catcher, much less President, and accusations of "Wing-nut!" or "Right Wing Whacko!" flew.

Now that their people are in charge, being a primary source doesn't matter at all. Now it's all about stats and official studies. But, as we've seen, give them stats and studies, it's either ignored or attempted to be disqualified.

Predictable patterns of behavior from those who know they shouldn't support child molesters or homosexuals, but they're too weak to break away from the herd mentality. So they attack those that make them uncomfortable.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 5:01 PM  

Ah, true. If you count watching mom change your brother's diaper or walking in on your older brother/father peeing or getting out of the shower. (I've changed diapers and been walked in on, it's a big family)

Personally, I don't. I chalk it up to natural child curiosity.

My family has their share of screw ups. Bad defects aside from sexual abnormality. Yet, I don't see any signs from any of them of sexual abuse. Worst thing a kid did? Point at a male baby's genitals (diaper changing) and say, "when do I grow mine?"

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 5:13 PM  

127. Takin' a look July 25, 2015 5:01 PM
Worst thing a kid did? Point at a male baby's genitals (diaper changing) and say, "when do I grow mine?"




which practically all girls do, when seeing boys having their diapers changed for the first time.

you made it sound like she was fixating on that for an extended period of time.



i'm sure Freud would have characterized it as 'penis envy'.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 5:14 PM  

I'll pick up the book.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 5:20 PM  

Well, she already was a tomboy, who knows? Maybe that was her "abuse"

The Grands were paranoid and vigilant, they weren't prepared for THAT kind of statement. Neither was anybody else, we laughed it off, but she kept insisting. What do you want me to say? We did the right thing and tried to steer her into being a girl. Spent thousands and....nothing. it is what it is.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 25, 2015 5:33 PM  

The Marion Zimmer Bradley story is also a black eye for modern paganism. Where was the moderation and moral modesty that should come from a veneration of ancestral gods and from taking nature as a source of moral instruction? Missing. Wholly replaced by a lust for crimes against nature, and a willingness to misuse words to justify them.

That Marion Zimmer Bradley converted to the Episcopalian church, which she attended regularly, is no defense. If your best defense is, "there was no holiness or morality in that house, but neither was there later under the spiritual protection of a burnt-out, sold-out branch of Christianity," it would be better to say simply, "we were worthless".

I mention it from time to time, when I think something is or is not on Christianity, so I thought I should mention this too.

Blogger MendoScot July 25, 2015 5:37 PM  

From her brother:

CS: In what ways have you been affected by the abuse you experienced?

MG: Day by day, hour by hour by ... you have to be joking.

I flinch. My reflex to be quiet when bad things happen is so profound I was unable to scream when a gentleman broke into our house and stole the television while I was standing back pressed against the wall trembling.

My reflexes are all wrong and I am working every day to create normal behavior. But fear is my companion, moment by moment. I flinch at loud noises, at traffic sounds, doors slamming, sudden cries of the young.

I trance out and visions fill me at the drop of a hat, then the cold spot from everything you agreed to being a joke and the sound of screams rise and I'm balling up and "too late, too late could I have done more" wars with "she never listened anyway you are nothing and the pain for her rises and …."

I speak in poetry and melodrama to shield myself from having to say any of this. I make up a me and let it play for you. I've gotten so good at it I can just go hide in the corner while my fingers type and my mind runs on. I can write for facts and I can also write for feelings. Those feelings are over there and I don't have to handle them except in lines of print. I polish the lines of words until it becomes the music and songs that let me hide.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 25, 2015 5:48 PM  

I have known several homosexuals and all of them, but two, would have no qualms about seducing minors. Only fear of the law held them in check, assuming they were telling the truth.

Concerning the two exceptions. One was fixated on older men, which shouldn't take a PhD in psychology to figure out.

The other was a childhood friend, prudish and conservative, who confessed he didn't like sex much at all. His idea of a fun evening was Jack Daniels and a cigar.

Blogger Corvinus July 25, 2015 5:53 PM  

There's an interesting combox here where I trolled an SJW den (the "Progressive Secular Humanist" blog) and got the SJWs to explicitly state they intend to exterminate Christian "perverts". Some juicy quotes from them to pass around.

Blogger Harold July 25, 2015 5:53 PM  

" I will accept the right of any given gay man to ask for the legal presumption of innocence when being considered as a Scout master, precisely so long as I get the right to withdraw my son from any troop he oversees or any event where other adults will not be present."

As a Scoutmaster and parent, I disagree. Scoutmasters are supposed to be examples of what we want our male children to grow up to be. Homosexual, for most parents, doesn't fit that definition. A homosexual Scoutmaster for the vast majority of people and religions, doesn't fit into the 10th law, "A Scout is reverent". Or the last part of the oath, "To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight."

I have a friend who never uses the term gay, always homosexual. And because "straight" is a term homosexuals developed to describe anyone not of their persuasion, he refers to non-homosexuals as normal, which indeed we are. Methinks I'll start doing the same.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 5:56 PM  

There is a way to catch these demons in manflesh. Caveat, they prefer children, but will go after men and women as well.

My Grandfather taught me well. I was a child, swimming at a local pool when he yanked me out and told me, eye to eye, "I want you to look at that man with the little girl and watch his eyes"

I did so, didn't understand, but kept close as my grandfather walked up to him and grabbed the little girl, saying to the man "Get Out!"

I was confused and holding tightly, but I never forgot that demon's eyes. The little girl told my grandpa her aunt was there. My grandpa returned her with me scared to death.

It is the eyes. You will see it in the eyes. Normal people (yes that includes queers) do not have that "excitement", ever. The joy, the glee of finding a victim.

My 23 year old nephew is gay, he has a 50 year old boyfriend. We all freaked yes, then we got to know him. He is OLD, broken down physically, been through hell, but yet!!

My nephew and I were working a job and his boyfriend came up and we all had a beer and enjoyed dinner. We all smoke, the 50 year old went outside first. We come out and this 40ish married man is talking with him. As soon as he sees us, he freezes, we lock eyes and both my nephew and I KNOW what he is. It is the exact same thing as with that pool girl. He wants this old man with the same eyes.

They want the innocence. My nephew's boyfriend is old, but even with all the hell he has gone through, he is an innocent.He is happily chatting away about his niece, his knitting business, just his openess, his "hello, hi!"

If I and my nephew and my family can See and Know it, what do you think the predators can sense?

They love young kids, but that's not what they are after. They want to corrupt the soul. Hurt it, destroy it in anyway they can.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 25, 2015 6:19 PM  

Your hypothesis has merit, except,....you would basically be saying that the 30 year old lesbian and the 9 other sexual abnormals between 17 and 23 have been all raped.

Not necessarily raped, but hit with some serious sexual weirdness, yes, and probably from someone older. There are plenty of kids who "play doctor" with other kids at some point and go on to be normal, but sexual conduct with an adult seems to mess them up every time.

On the other hand, I personally believe it's possible for demonic possession to affect an entire family and stick around for generations, so I'd consider that another possibility here. It's also true that the saying "the exception that proves the rule" exists for a reason -- sometimes there are exceptions to near-absolute rules.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 25, 2015 6:26 PM  

On everyone being surprised after the fact:

The rector (priest/principal) of my high school molested at least 4 high-school boys over a 25-year period. Some people knew, of course (including the bishop), and covered it up. But many, many people who thought they knew him well suspected nothing and were only too happy to put boys in his care. And yet, once the facts came out, many of us thought, "Hmm, you know, now that I think about it, it was kinda weird that he used to...."

It seems like, in retrospect, there are often warning signs, yet at the time no one can see them. I suppose that's because it's not the sort of thing we want to suspect about someone, especially someone we like and respect, without a very good reason.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 25, 2015 6:31 PM  

it is notable that molesting other children is a common indication of child abuse.

I know a woman who recently gave birth to a son. About the boy's father, she told me a couple years ago (while they were broken up for a while) that he was sexually abused as a child and has had homosexual experiences as an adult.

So I couldn't help wondering whether there's any way I could place a large wager on whether he will molest his son someday. And would placing that wager make me a bad person?

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 6:47 PM  

Agreed to all points Cail

Blogger haus frau July 25, 2015 6:52 PM  

Scary Cail. If you are taking an office pool that might be over the line...that said I think the molesting others is some kind of coping mechanism for victims. If he hasn't confronted his abuse and his behaviors that resulted from the abuse I'd say that child is in danger.

Blogger VD July 25, 2015 7:09 PM  

It is the eyes. You will see it in the eyes. Normal people (yes that includes queers) do not have that "excitement", ever. The joy, the glee of finding a victim.

I totally agree. Demonic or not, they are the eyes of a predator. I recognize the intensity, because I used to be a more conventional form of predator myself and I still have the hyperawareness. What's interesting to me is their reaction when they catch you watching them. They do NOT like being recognized. They really don't like it when you smile at them as if to say, "you're not a wolf, you're a fucking diseased coyote. And, by the way, I'm not a sheepdog, I'm a Rottweiler."

Anonymous Ain July 25, 2015 7:12 PM  

Dave @73: "This particular subject has always been of interest to me from a historical perspective. Homosexuality always seems to prevail in the twilight of a civilization."

Yep. They love to point out how prevalent it was in Rome but fail to connect that the empire collapsed.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 7:21 PM  

You and I understand the ponerology. Forget the Laura Knight Jadcyzk Cassiopeian weirdness. We KNOW

Anonymous Discard July 25, 2015 7:52 PM  

Harold 135: I also do not use the term "gay", any more than I would say "African American" for Black or "Asian" for Oriental. Use our language, not the language of those who hate us.

If I am challenged on it, I don't go into any culture war spiel, I just say that lesbians have given me shit for calling them gay, and I'm not about to adopt that LGBTQRST… business.

Blogger MendoScot July 25, 2015 8:58 PM  

Discard@145, Call them sad.

Sad that they are, sad what will be.

History will wipe out what comes, as it always has.

They were warned.

Blogger CM July 25, 2015 9:00 PM  

Concerning the 5yo girl -

It seems that in this particular case, the question she posed "triggered" her care givers. Really, best word to describe it.

Their hypervigilance caused them to respond to something normal like it was abnormal. I've been semi guilty of the same. Instead of freaking out over it, calmly explaining "sweetie, your a girl... girls don't grow penises" and then dealt calmly with follow up questions, she wouldn't have felt something was not right with her question.

Which makes her doubt her identity. It sounds like her identity as a girl wasn't affirmed. You freaked out that the question meant she wasn't "right" or "normal" so she became not "normal".

I've heard people wondering about 5 yo's sexuality before. Like something normal is treated as a sign of maybe may kid might be gay.

Guess what... its normal for children to wonder why they are different from others. Its part of figuring out our place in this world.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 25, 2015 9:10 PM  

Late posts on a Friday/Saturday night are not great for me. Looks like I missed this party. I was not molested by many gays have been. I slept with several girls before but it always seemed like the only way to get them do be decent was to lie to them and treat them bad. That and the whole bleed for up to 8 days thing. The gay Hispanic PEDS/NICU RN I was friends with for around a decade turned out to have several former home health turn out to be gay, perhaps Cail's friend shouldn't let the father change diapers.

I've always suspected that "gay bashing" is usually done by men who were victimized by homosexuals as children

The majority of gay bashings are committed by blacks, with a lesser amount by Hispanics. The STR8 YT XTIAN MEN that are warned about never seem to be doing it.

On the day that backlash comes, they're going to regret that. They'll suddenly lose the swishy hips, the feminine mannerisms

Some of us can pass for STR8, the Nazis rounded up gays by using the mailing lists of gay orgs.

and nobody will defend child molestation. Really? You'd be surprised. Remember my words when they decide to lower the age

Mexico has an age of consent of 12 and that's why NC one of the few states to split white/Hispanic has 90% of molesters being Hispanic
Lotssmore Hispanic child rape info here http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-22.html

"CNN reports that 318 10-year-old girls gave birth in Mexico in 2011.

In all of Western Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand combined, there have been eight reported births to girls aged 10 or younger. Seven of the eight involved Third World immigrants."


I once saw a gay person with feathers, They are called boas its like a larger version of x-mass tree garland

In this thread at least most people seem to be using purely ancedotal evidence.

I have said before most studies on gays are flawed. Apex fallacy ignores the homeless trannies in NYC/SF/LA when projecting queer earnings. Parenting studies comparing a couple willing to throw away $50k+ to buy a kid versus Latrina the crack whore's 26 kids.

. I pointed out that the fact monogamous gay parents are rare tends

I personally don't know of any gay couples that have both been willingly monogamous for 5+years.

Concerning the two exceptions. One was fixated on older men, which Lots of gays have daddy issues.

As a Scoutmaster and parent, I disagree. Scoutmasters are

I have said before gay scoutmasters make as much sense as Woody Allen, Kanyee West, & Charlie Sheen being girl scout leaders.

136.I was confused and holding tightly, but I never forgot that demon's eyes. .. He wants this old man with the same eyes.

They want the innocence. My nephew's boyfriend is old,


Its like when n!ggers see a blond woman. The easiest way to hook up is to go to a new gay bar and dance like you are str8 (jogging in place).

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 9:18 PM  

Dude......40+ kids....we've NEVER had any of the heterosexual kids play around sex roles....EVER!!!!!

This surely was an overreaction when we laughed her off the first ten times! Then showed her she is a girl with books, then we did therapy after the "Grands" all did their freakazoid clan thing.

Yeah, it was OUR reaction that made her want to grow a dick.

Nice hypothesis.

This is as personal as I ever will get.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 25, 2015 9:22 PM  

You make me laugh BGS, I think if we saw each other eye to eye we would recognize the soul, like Catholic and Buddhist monks quietly holding hands and smiling.

Namaste.

Anonymous BGS July 25, 2015 9:47 PM  

I am one of the Steves over at http://www.gaypatriot.net/

Anonymous BGS July 25, 2015 9:49 PM  

The last line of the first paragraph of should say former home health patients turn out

Anonymous BGS July 25, 2015 9:56 PM  

and nobody will defend child molestation. Really?

There is a pedophile that trolls the comments at Gaypatriot named James Edwards

Anonymous BGS July 25, 2015 10:29 PM  

@ Taking a look- did any of the kids have this teacher http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/04/29/lesbian-teacher-uses-math-class-to-indoctrinate-pre-teens-in-gay-issues-and-social-justice/
"A lesbian teacher ‘married’ to another woman revealed at a pro-gay teachers’ conference earlier this month how she teaches grade 4-5 students to accept homosexuality through what she called “social justice” math.

Or this teacher http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-private-school-takes-students-to-sex-toy-store-for-sex-education-lesson/305770831/
" “You can’t say, ‘All kids should know this at this age.’ There are students that are already going through puberty at 10 or 11.”

Blacks hit puberty earliest with 44% of black female 8yo already there, then come Hispanics. Its like everything from crime to math.

Black>>>>>>Hispanic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>White>Asian or reversed.

"Alicia Gunn, an elementary public school teacher in Mississauga, Ontario, told attendees at the April 10 conference in Toronto’s City Hall that injecting LGBTQ issues into the classroom, especially in math, helps students as young as nine “disrupt the single story that many of our kids have about LGBTQ families"

You might want to check for this Common Core approved coloring book at the schools Coloring Book! "Little Leo Likes Lipstick"
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.633925179979514.1073741831.145318588840178&type=1


http://www.queerty.com/can-we-please-just-start-admitting-that-we-do-actually-want-to-indoctrinate-kids-20110512/#ixzz2qWrjWAO6
"I and a lot of other people want to indoctrinate, recruit, teach, and expose children to queer sexuality AND THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. "

Blogger ChicagoRefugee July 25, 2015 10:30 PM  

So what happens with anti-discrimination law when DSM-V redefines pedophilia as an orientation later this year? Anyone?

Anonymous Anonymous July 25, 2015 10:52 PM  

Circa 1985 a bisexual male told me something like "homosexuality is a narcissistic obsession with having sex with yourself" and cited the Velvet Underground song "I'll Be Your Mirror" as an expression of this. He considered his "tendencies" to be a character flaw, and was married to a woman last I heard. Makes sense to me as an explanation of the otherwise inexplicable.

And btw my father was from the land mass commonly known as Asia; therefore I describe myself as being half Asian. Some people here take issue with this? I find that peculiar.

Blogger Joseph Dooley July 25, 2015 11:19 PM  


Tupla-JJuly 25, 2015 3:25 PM
I read Regnerus's study was discredited by several sociologists, but I get the impression that the critique consists of bullshitting and DISQUALIFY! -magical word use which has tried to smear him a fraud. Has anyone looked into it, is Regnerus's study valid and how about its critique?


Tupla, Public Discourse has documented Regnerus's vindication.

Anonymous Discard July 26, 2015 1:33 AM  

Anonymous 156: I am the one takes issue with the word "Asian" as a replacement for the good, Greek-derived, English word "Oriental". "Oriental" was the common descriptive term for people and objects from East Asia, until leftist race baiters decided that it was racist. Specifically, a man named Yuji Ichicka (Japanese for "Jesse Jackson") made it his life's work to conjure up a synthetic grievance, as if the word meant "Yellow Nigger". In fact, it simply means "east" in Greek, just as "occidental" means "west". My issue is the unfounded claim by anti-Whites that the word is in any sense a pejorative. That claim is a slander on my people and culture, as it was intended to be. It is a retroactive accusation that any White who ever said or wrote anything about the peoples of East Asia was a hate monger. There were and are a number of pejoratives, and "Oriental" has never been one of them. Go and try to to find a printed example from 40 or 50 years ago that used the word as anything but a neutral description.
"Asian", on the other hand, is not only an implied slander, it is a ridiculous misnomer. As used by American multi-cults, it excludes hundreds of millions of people who are unambiguously from Asia, Iranians, Turks, Pakistanis, Kurds, Arabs, Sephardic Jews, and, depending on the mood of the cultist, Hindus. The same people that insist on calling American Indians "Native Americans" also insist on knowingly adopting another misnomer. At least Columbus had the excuse of not knowing where he was.
Some multi-cults recognize the logical absurdity of their terminology and have adopted "Pacific-Asian", or "Asian-Pacific". It is still a slander of my culture and I reject it, just as I reject "African-American", "Native American", and all other PCspeak.

"Half Asian" means nothing. Was your father Kurdish? Korean? Somewhere's in between?

Blogger Groot July 26, 2015 3:50 AM  

@158 Discard: I agree. It is simply a matter of precision. You can say what you mean. Sometimes I mean Asian, but that is almost devoid of meaning, encompassing billions of people, from Jews, to Arabs, to Chinese, to Indians, to Turks, to Russians. Might as well say "Blah," but if that is what you mean, fine. But if you mean Oriental, then that is the word to use. "Native Americans," though, is disingenuous. Any American born in America is native American. Distinguishing between Native American and Mexican, for example, is just imposing the European demarcations onto the autochthonous inhabitants. Mexico vs. USA is not appropriate if you're being so painfully attentive, just hypocrisy. @156. Anonymous, though, I thank you for your concern.

Blogger Thordaddy July 26, 2015 7:11 AM  

"Circa 1985 a bisexual male told me something like "homosexuality is a narcissistic obsession with having sex with yourself" and cited the Velvet Underground song "I'll Be Your Mirror" as an expression of this." -- Anon

Ah... Don't say this... Vox Gay will accuse you of parasitically highjacking the thread. I mean, if one homosexually molests one's child then one is in effect seeking out sex with a "little" part of themselves, no?.

Anonymous Discard July 26, 2015 2:49 PM  

Groot: It's not about precision. I would not make the effort for precision. It's about defending one small corner of my patrimony.

Anonymous Jim Milo July 26, 2015 10:08 PM  

Homosexuality always seems to prevail in the twilight of a civilization."

Yep. They love to point out how prevalent it was in Rome but fail to connect that the empire collapsed.

Since the secular institution is dead (Ashley Madison anyone?) this might accelerate the collapse faster with better outcomes. Yes, the old "Hiroshima and Nagsaki saved many more lives" argument, but I can really see a type of Butlerian Jihad coming in my lifetime.

Blogger Kirk Parker July 27, 2015 8:00 PM  

What horrible translation are you quoting from?

Anonymous Takin' a look July 27, 2015 8:16 PM  

I live in an area where the indoctrination is still minimal. Stripped-down as it were. It is little different from my day. The attitude towards sexuality would not be out of place in early 1990s America.

It's not a time warp, but it is not the hell I've seen and heard elsewhere. Queer sexuality is treated with sad and amused pity and a lot of common sense, not "it's teh bestest thing evah!" or the converse, "it's just a phase, beat the fag out of them!"

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