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Tuesday, July 28, 2015

No one likes SJWs

Not even artists on the Left. Alan Moore, the creator of Watchmen, announces that he will henceforth avoid the media rather than put up with incessant thought-policing by the SJWs:
Comics god Alan Moore has issued a comprehensive sign-off from public life after shooting down accusations that his stories feature racist characters and an excessive amount of sexual violence towards women....

The award-winning Moore used the interview to address criticism over his inclusion of the Galley-Wag character –  based on Florence Upton's 1895 Golliwogg creation – in his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics, saying that "it was our belief that the character could be handled in such a way as to return to him the sterling qualities of Upton's creation, while stripping him of the racial connotations that had been grafted onto the Golliwog figure by those who had misappropriated and wilfully misinterpreted her work".

And he rebutted the suggestion that it was "not the place of two white men to try to 'reclaim' a character like the golliwogg", telling Ó Méalóid that this idea "would appear to be predicated upon an assumption that no author or artist should presume to use characters who are of a different race to themselves".

"Since I can think of no obvious reason why this principle should only relate to the issue of race – and specifically to black people and white people – then I assume it must be extended to characters of different ethnicities, genders, sexualities, religions, political persuasions and, possibly most uncomfortably of all for many people considering these issues, social classes … If this restriction were universally adopted, we would have had no authors from middle-class backgrounds who were able to write about the situation of the lower classes, which would have effectively ruled out almost all authors since William Shakespeare."

Moore also defended himself against the claim that his work was characterised by "the prevalence of sexual violence towards women, with a number of instances of rape or attempted rape in [his] stories", saying that "there is a far greater prevalence of consensual and relatively joyous sexual relationships in my work than there are instances of sexual violence", and that "there is clearly a lot more non-sexual violence in my work that there is violence of the sexual variety".

In the real world there are, Moore tells his interviewer, "relatively few murders in relation to the staggering number of rapes and other crimes of sexual or gender-related violence", but this is "almost a complete reversal of the way that the world is represented in its movies, television shows, literature or comic-book material".

"Why should murder be so over-represented in our popular fiction, and crimes of a sexual nature so under-represented?" he asks. "Surely it cannot be because rape is worse than murder, and is thus deserving of a special unmentionable status. Surely, the last people to suggest that rape was worse than murder were the sensitively reared classes of the Victorian era … And yet, while it is perfectly acceptable (not to say almost mandatory) to depict violent and lethal incidents in lurid and gloating high-definition detail, this is somehow regarded as healthy and perfectly normal, and it is the considered depiction of sexual crimes that will inevitably attract uproars of the current variety."

Moore ended by telling Ó Méalóid that his lengthy responses to questions, written over Christmas, should indicate to fans that he has no intention of "doing this or anything remotely like it ever again".

"While many of you have been justifiably relaxing with your families or loved ones, I have been answering allegations about my obsession with rape, and re-answering several-year-old questions with regard to my perceived racism," he said. "If my comments or opinions are going to provoke such storms of upset, then considering that I myself am looking to severely constrain the amount of time I spend with interviews and my already very occasional appearances, it would logically be better for everyone concerned, not least myself, if I were to stop issuing those comments and opinions. Better that I let my work speak for me, which is all I've truthfully ever wanted or expected, both as a writer and as a reader of other authors' work."

After completing his current commitments, Moore said he will "more or less curtail speaking engagements and non-performance appearances".
Seriously, who wants to deal with them. We're seeing a lot of this in the game industry as well. The more that the game journos have tried to thought-police the developers, the less inclined the developers are to talk to them. Many designers and developers alike avoid the press because they know they won't be asked questions about the actual game and its development, but rather about tangential political issues in which they have absolutely no interest. Some companies won't even permit their developers to speak directly to the media any more as a result; all interviews have to be cleared through the PR people first.

SJW-driven journalism in the arts increasingly resembles prosecution or interrogation rather than an effort to either advertise or understand the art or the artist. It's no wonder that successful artists like Alan Moore are increasingly reluctant to permit themselves to be interviewed.

But no fear. There will always be plenty of fame whores like the Kardashians around who will be more than happy to speak to anyone with a microphone.

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120 Comments:

Anonymous The Obvious July 28, 2015 6:08 AM  

Reading the book below the quote is from, and we all know who it's in reference to:

There are men of gloomy character who regard everything as faulty, not from any evil motive but because it is their nature to. They condemn all: these for what they have done, those for what they will do. This indicates a nature worse than cruel, vile Indeed. They accuse with such exaggeration that they make out of motes beams wherewith to force out the eyes. They are always taskmasters who could turn a paradise into a prison; if passion intervenes they drive matters to the extreme.

Balthasar Gracian, The Art Of Worldly Wisdom

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 July 28, 2015 6:17 AM  

when emasculation was weaponized they called it journalism.

Anonymous Steve July 28, 2015 6:20 AM  

There will always be plenty of fame whores like the Kardashians around who will be more than happy to speak to anyone with a microphone.

If you want a vision of the future of games journalism, imagine a Kotaku blogger interviewing Brianna Wu - forever.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 28, 2015 6:37 AM  

SJWs ruin everything.

Anonymous Stephen J. July 28, 2015 6:37 AM  

Steve -- That is a simultaneously brilliant and deeply upsetting image. Well done.

Anonymous Leftard slayer July 28, 2015 6:42 AM  

"Not from any evil motive but because it is their nature to."

That sounds like a good read and the author is close... but I beg to differ. SWJs are evil in nature and therefore motive.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 28, 2015 7:05 AM  

I love it when the enemies of freedom get all fratricidal. I'll take Alan Moore over the SJWs any day though, at least he actually creates interesting things. Even if he does look like an anarchist hobo.

Anonymous Scott W. July 28, 2015 7:17 AM  

"If you want a vision of the future of games journalism, imagine a Kotaku blogger interviewing Brianna Wu - forever"

Brilliant. I'm stealing it. For a while Polygon had all manner of SJW articles; now I'm not seeing as many. I think they may have realized giving SJWs oxygen was a mistake. It reminds me of P.J. O'Rourke's story about how his hippy newspaper office got invaded by the "Balto Cong" one night.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 28, 2015 7:23 AM  

SJWs are unkind, deceptive, they create or promote distractions. SJWs harbor questionable enough intentions that smarter people are going to avoid them rather than suffer through their idiocy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 28, 2015 7:46 AM  

America a nation of scolds.

Blogger AmyJ July 28, 2015 7:50 AM  

"Moore also defended himself against the claim that his work was characterised by "the prevalence of sexual violence towards women, with a number of instances of rape or attempted rape in [his] stories","

His stories also include sexual violence towards men, and the majority of the general violence in the entirety of his work is towards men. But, naturally, this doesn't bother the equality loving, fair minded SJW. Strong, independent women should never be put in situations that weaken or challenge them, even if it is fictional.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 28, 2015 8:31 AM  

SJW's are the product of the Modern Useless Degree phenomena. These people come out of a college environment where they have actually gotten a certificate for consecutive hours of groupthink and two-minute hate directed towards racists, sexists, homophobes, and other assorted bigots. Now with their 'media studies' and 'queer cinema' degrees, they are full of pomposity and wish to display it through online raging. It's pretty sad really.

Anonymous 334 July 28, 2015 8:31 AM  

I've read a lot of Moore and, though immensely talented, he is about as far left as they come. Another example of SJWs eating their own.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 July 28, 2015 8:34 AM  

"...like the Kardashians around who will be more than happy to speak to anyone with a microphone."
Don't be ridiculous, the LAST thing a (ie) Kardashian PR agent wants is a microphone around recording their "deep thoughs" , camera, yes.
It's the folks whose entire life has rendered them as emotionally ugly as "The Picture of Dorian Gray" who have no choice but to fellate ANY passing microphone just so the other
"like minded" kids will play with them, and the ONLY way adult.s will afford them the attention they so desperately crave is if they "act up".
It's ALL right there in BF Skinner 101.
CaptDMO

Anonymous cheddarman July 28, 2015 8:39 AM  

Whoredashians

Blogger Nate July 28, 2015 8:41 AM  

Since the NFL is still never off topic...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13328608/jen-welter-hired-arizona-cardinals-assistant-coach

Yes.. the arizona cardinals have hired a chick to be an assistant coaching intern.. who just happens to be a psychologist.

/facepalm

Blogger VFM #0202 July 28, 2015 8:44 AM  

@8 Thanks for the Balto Cong tickler.

Re-reading PJ O'Rourke's 1993 "Give War a Chance", I waxed nostalgic. The Cold War was over, we won. Soviet Communism was gone.

But the Marxists were not. Rejecting their place on the ash-heap of history, they were boring, broaching, and reaming young minds within the teacher's colleges. Sigh. Only the "crazy" right had a clue.

You could call me a complacent boomer awakened by the CAGW farrago and brought to quivering alert by the US elections of 2012. Of my life's regrets, that I let the long march through the institutions happen on my watch ranks highest. Sorry about that.

On the currently applicable proxy for adaptation I'm 4+ sigma, my spawn's dam 2.5 sigma. The spawn should make out, they're playing with a 65% stacked deck.

There are signs they're drifting towards sanity. Should have home-schooled, had no idea of the direness of the situation.

But what of that beautiful chimera Liberty? I may take a few fascists with me if the dice roll that way but mostly it's up to y'all. Good luck, stay frosty.

Blogger Chester Lyman July 28, 2015 8:45 AM  

@16 Hopefully the collapse comes before the entryist wreckers can destroy college football.

Blogger VFM #0202 July 28, 2015 8:48 AM  

@8 Thanks for the Balto Cong tickler.

Re-reading PJ O'Rourke's 1993 "Give War a Chance", I waxed nostalgic. The Cold War was over, we won. Soviet Communism was gone.

But the Marxists were not. Rejecting their place on the ash-heap of history, they were boring, broaching, and reaming young minds within the teacher's colleges. Sigh. Only the "crazy" right had a clue.

You could call me a complacent boomer awakened by the CAGW farrago and brought to quivering alert by the US elections of 2012. Of my life's regrets, that I let the long march through the institutions happen on my watch ranks highest. Sorry about that.

On the currently applicable proxy for adaptation I'm 4+ sigma, my spawn's dam 2.5 sigma. The spawn should make out, they're playing with a 65% stacked deck.

There are signs they're drifting towards sanity. Should have home-schooled, had no idea of the direness of the situation.

But what of that beautiful chimera Liberty? I may take a few fascists with me if the dice roll that way but mostly it's up to y'all. Good luck, stay frosty.

Blogger Nate July 28, 2015 8:48 AM  

@18 women ruin everything

Anonymous Scott W. July 28, 2015 8:54 AM  

"Of my life's regrets, that I let the long march through the institutions happen on my watch ranks highest. Sorry about that."

I hold you entirely blameless. The incoherence of Liberalism was there at the founding and was only able to mount a spectacular performance by writing checks against a treasury of solid traditions and mores. A treasury that is now depleted.

Blogger Sheep_dog July 28, 2015 8:58 AM  

Shun our Media culture and its insensate interrogation instead of practicing journalism? Gosh, what do you think this is, the 1930's?

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 9:06 AM  

you notice the purpose of the SJW, though?

it's to give those of little talent and no accomplishment 'standing' to demand answers of and control over others.

who stands taller in the current world of comics than Alan Moore?

and yet, you've got all these mewling freaks running around pretending that they're going to take Moore to task? on what basis?

why, on the basis that Moore is insufficiently 'sensitive'.

which assertion cannot be proven by his sales figures or impact on the pop culture.

Anonymous The Observer July 28, 2015 9:08 AM  

OT: Ex-PP worker explains how PP benefits from sale of organs: https://t.co/C8IeOo00Av

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 9:12 AM  

21. Scott W. July 28, 2015 8:54 AM
The incoherence of Liberalism



please to be using 'Leftist'.

the US Constitution was an astoundingly 'liberal' document.

Leftists are totalitarians.



16. Nate July 28, 2015 8:41 AM
Yes.. the arizona cardinals have hired a chick to be an assistant coaching intern.. who just happens to be a psychologist.
/facepalm



*shrugs*

how many decades have blacks been complaining about there not being enough negro QBs and coaches?

well, ~50% of the population is female. and Jen is the first woman NFL coach ... ever.

prima facie discrimination if ever i did see it. :-3

Blogger Quizzer W July 28, 2015 9:53 AM  

Compare Alan Moore's response to SJW tactics vs GRRMs. One basically says "blank off", the other finds a scary target on the other side and kicks them. Or tries to. Gotta show the mob you are one of them, lest someone in the SJW press look closer at your work, notes the violence against women, and notices those royalty checks...

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 28, 2015 9:55 AM  

Alan Moore always struck me as the original Social Justice Warrior in comics when the term was first created. Seriously, most of his work reads like a civil rights work. He was just really good at writing a story in the process.

All you need to know about him is that his libertarian character in the Watchmen was an asexual fatalist who dies at the end.

Blogger Daniel July 28, 2015 9:58 AM  

Moore is unusual in that his most famous pure hero is an Ayn Rand inspired right wing objectivist libertarian and his most notorious villain is a cultic genius version of a political antichrist. He nukes New York as a ruse to unite the world under his authority.

Blogger Daniel July 28, 2015 10:05 AM  

He dies for his principles, swiftfoxmark2. Moore certainly isn't endorsing Ozymandias, after all. He is the bad guy and there is no getting around the fact that Rorschach is portrayed as disgusting because that is what the truth appears to be to the liars and the moderates of the world. They make out fine but compromised, but only one has honor.

Don't forget that the entire reason the reader knows the truth is because of one man's honesty...something he died for.

Blogger IM2L844 July 28, 2015 10:09 AM  

@19 "Of my life's regrets, that I let the long march through the institutions happen on my watch ranks highest."

Never trust anyone who says they have no regrets. They are either a liar or incredibly stupid.

Blogger hank.jim July 28, 2015 10:12 AM  

Its seems to me like his work provokes discussion. He just doesn't like where the discussion is going. How many times did our contemporary politicians want a discussion about race and any other "me" issues? Well, we are having that discussion and I'm sure Alan Moore knows full well that he was participating. SJW knows one thing and that is applying labels. A leftist author writes a story about race and rape and the author is labeled a racist and sexist. I didn't think they expected that.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 28, 2015 10:14 AM  

SJW-driven journalism in the arts increasingly resembles prosecution or interrogation ratherc than an effort to either advertise or understand the art or the artist.

Its ridiculous. Unless they are interviewing someone who is (temporarily) in high favor with the SJWs, the interview has turned into a theater of cruelty. If you are someone who is in disfavor, it's one long disqualification session.

"How can you possibly defend all the rape in your comic books?"

Part of it is the intrinsic laziness of the press. In the pre-internet world an average interview was largely a rehash of a previous interview. Mostly because what was in the press morgue was all you had to go on.

Now they google Twitter hashtags in a disastrous effort to be relevant. There is nothing intelligent to be gained from Twitter. It is entirely emotion overlain with snark.

An interviewee doesn't have a chance to be interesting anymore.

Take Vox's interview of Umberto Eco. That was an interesting man being interesting. It was mental caviar. A luxurious pleasure for the mind.

It's like is becoming close to impossible to find anymore.

Blogger Achillea July 28, 2015 10:23 AM  

Shorter Moore:

*mic drop*

Blogger Alexander July 28, 2015 10:28 AM  

If he had only said "a world without rape is boring", they would have nodded in agreement and gone on to the next question about favorite flavor of dorito and he could have had a nice, quiet Christmas.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 28, 2015 10:30 AM  

Daniel, the Watchmen ends with the villain winning and the people with honor and integrity dying or compromising. Yeah good story, but where are the heroes?

Like George Rape Rape Martin, he has no sense of beauty or truth. Allan Moore even views individualism as racist, which is something a typical SJW does.

Anonymous The other robot July 28, 2015 10:40 AM  

Perhaps OT, but could the push by politicians to keep their in-laws (and other bad guys) out of prison be another nail in America's coffin?

Would prison guards unions support it?

Anonymous WillBest July 28, 2015 10:44 AM  

The world moved in 15 seconds, long before it moved in 140 characters. The only thing twitter has done is exposed the absurdity of it all.

I don't really understand Alan Moore's problem at this point though. He used the Phil Robertson approach, which is good enough to get the SJWs to go away since they only like squishy targets. There is no need to be done after that.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 10:48 AM  

Daniel, the Watchmen ends with the villain winning and the people with honor and integrity dying or compromising. Yeah good story, but where are the heroes?

Like George Rape Rape Martin, he has no sense of beauty or truth. Allan Moore even views individualism as racist, which is something a typical SJW does.


The Watchman was among the most mainstream of his works. You want to see lack of beauty and truth up there with Rape-Rape? Check out Lost Girls. Blech.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 28, 2015 10:50 AM  

"Whoredashians"

I was doing a Spartan mud race a few months back and someone said something about "50 Shades of Brown" referring to our mud-plastered bodies and clothes.

My reply:
"The different dudes that have done Kim Kardashian?"

I'm still rather proud of myself for that one.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 28, 2015 10:52 AM  

As for Watchmen, I suspect Doc Manhattan thought he was doing Rorschach a mercy. If Moore meant for him doing it out of secretive expediency, he should have stepped into the crank paper's office to relieve them of R's journal as well.

Blogger Rabbi B July 28, 2015 10:55 AM  

@31 "If you are someone who is in disfavor, it's one long disqualification session."

Damn spot on. People absolutely love taking someone down just for the sheer pleasure of taking them down. We live in a culture of hyenas that delights in fault-finding to the nth degree. Doesn't really matter who gets vilified all that much, so long as they get a front row seat to witness the show trial and the poor bastard's precipitous "fall from grace."

However, the same folks will go out of their way to celebrate and deify the Caitlyn Jenner's of the world. People who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. What are they gonna do when the cup they so happily put in everyone else's hand inevitably ends up in their own someday? It's all fun and games until the target's on your back.

"What goes around, comes around" is an observable principle of Biblical import. (cf. Proverbs 26:27)

Blogger Chester Lyman July 28, 2015 10:57 AM  

@39 Or the reason Manhattan didn't intercept Rorschach's journal was more a function of his "sloppy" omniscience in service to the plot.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 28, 2015 10:58 AM  

Alan Moore is part of the problem however. I have as much sympathy for him as I do for those heading Apple who supported all the looney left policies and then complained when the taxes and such started applying to them.

@37 and others correctly identify the flaw in his work. Where is hope? Must comic stories be gritty with evil winning to be compelling? Can these people tell a story of good triumphing? Doubtful.

These arteests have made a bed they don't want to lie in. Their focus was good when things were being torn down, but now they face trouble because nothing stands. Cry me a river.

Blogger MendoScot July 28, 2015 11:13 AM  

OT: She's baaack!

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 11:19 AM  

28. Daniel July 28, 2015 10:05 AM
He dies for his principles, swiftfoxmark2. Moore certainly isn't endorsing Ozymandias, after all. He is the bad guy



no, the Watchmen version of Nixon is the bad guy.

this is why every single one of the supers ( from Comedian on ) except Rorschach allow Ozzy to continue with his plan even after they become aware of it's full extent.



27. Daniel July 28, 2015 9:58 AM
Moore is unusual in that his most famous pure hero is an Ayn Rand inspired right wing objectivist libertarian


and that's something else that disturbs Moore. Alan intended for Rorschach to be a laughingstock, not the character that everyone was cheering for.

and Rorschach died, not because he was principled, but because he wasn't sufficiently 'nuanced' and 'complex' enough to grasp the necessity of what Ozzy was doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKebCtCTbCA&feature=youtu.be&t=2m40s


remember, Moore's run on Miracle/Marvelman was an excuse to humiliate Margaret Thatcher.

check it out, Marvel Comics is reprinting the whole run. MiracleMan #16, pg 6.
MM: "... after that, the world economy must be restructured, broken down into more manageable units."
Thatcher: "No, no, no! This is all quite preposterous. We can never allow this kind of interference with the market."
MM: "Allow?"

silent panel

MM: "As I was saying, this de-structuring of the economy must only be seen as an interim measure. Moving on from that ...."

Avril: "Michael, that was childish and spiteful. There was no need to humiliate her. We're supposed to be above that.

Prime Minister? I know this must have been a dreadful shock. If you need someone to talk to, please get in touch."

Thatcher: "Yes, yes, thank you, I will ...
Cecil? C-can we go now please.
"


Miracleman ( pub 1982 ) was Moore's critique of Thatcher. you'll note the straight Marxist econ ( "restructuring of the economy will only be a temporary measure" )

Watchmen ( pub 1986 ) was Moore's critique of Nixon and, via the caricature, Reagan and the rest of those stupid Republicans.


do *we* ( for the most part ) like Rorschach? certainly. but Moore hates us.

Anonymous Jill July 28, 2015 11:21 AM  

If a white person creates a black character, they are guilty of appropriation. If they don't create any black characters, they are guilty of white-washing. Choose your crime.

Anonymous The other robot July 28, 2015 11:27 AM  

OT: Another possible presidential candidate is against open borders?

How can that be? Is the narrative changing?

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 11:31 AM  

@44: Indeed; I can't find it in my heart to feel much concern over Moore's predicament. He is an SJW himself, even if he's now the target of the more feral SJWs that have come since his time.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 28, 2015 11:39 AM  

Moore seems to be of the dialectic kind.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 11:41 AM  

47. Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 11:31 AM
Indeed; I can't find it in my heart to feel much concern over Moore's predicament. He is an SJW himself,



no, he's Left but for the most part he avoids the emotive brow beating that we complain about from the SJWs. he's not totalitarian Left, he's anarchist.

you could debate Moore. you can't debate someone like Damien Walters.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 28, 2015 11:47 AM  

you could debate Moore. you can't debate someone like Damien Walters.

Meh. He's SJW scum and therefore dangerous and destructive. Let him forswear his SJWism. Then we can talk.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales July 28, 2015 11:54 AM  

Yeah... Alan Moore and them are two peas in a pod.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Arb_oPvXdM

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 28, 2015 12:12 PM  

Hyenas are matriarchal.

Blogger Marissa July 28, 2015 12:21 PM  

Alan Moore always struck me as the original Social Justice Warrior in comics when the term was first created. Seriously, most of his work reads like a civil rights work. He was just really good at writing a story in the process.

All you need to know about him is that his libertarian character in the Watchmen was an asexual fatalist who dies at the end.


There's a lot of white male hate in From Hell too.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 12:27 PM  

@49: No, you can't. Emotive brow-beating was exactly how he described Frank Miller a few years back during the Occupy Wall Street movement, where he had to call Miller to task not just for disagreement on the merits of the movement, but that he hadn't read anything he'd written in twenty years because of "unreconstructed misogyny" and homophobia. Then he called fans of superhero stories "abominations" and "emotionally subnormal."

Without offering any evidence for those baseless ad hominem accusations. It was pure disqualify.

He's an SJW alright.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 12:43 PM  

you younguns can't understand Watchmen without grasping the zeitgeist of the age in which it was published.

from the 50s to the 80s, everyone in the West was bombarded with crap like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtpvoOXn2o

from the age when you first became conscious of the world, you were harangued to be ready to "duck and cover" and to not antagonize the Soviets.

that was the main campaign argument for voting against Reagan in 1979; he was a lunatic madman who was going to force the 'Evil Empire' Russians into a nuclear exchange.

that's why the cover of every issue of Watchmen is a picture of the countdown clock.

once you grasp that the 'antagonist' of Watchmen is 'Nixon' ( Reagan proxy ), who is going to force nuclear armegeddon then you can understand the atypical narrative structure of the series.

modern .pub education and acculturation is probably best understood as a sublimation of the remnants of the emotional terrorism about nuclear war into emotional terrorism about anthropogenic global warming.


oh, another thing about Rorschach's death: it's a call back to his 'heroic origin', from his childhood.

Rorschach's first 'heroic' act is to defend his prostitute mother against a john who is beating her. his reward for fighting in her defense ... is that she screams at him and apologizes to the john in the hopes that he will pay her / come back.

Dr Manhattan murdering Rorschach is simply the one last time that the universe feeds Kovacs a shit sandwich for 'refusing to deal with reality'. which it's been doing his whole life.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 12:47 PM  

50. VFM bot #188 July 28, 2015 11:47 AM
Meh. He's SJW scum and therefore dangerous and destructive. Let him forswear his SJWism. Then we can talk.



i never said that at the end of the debate with him either of us would change our minds or that either of us would agree with or approve of the other.

because we would not.

but there is a large gap between Moore and Walters.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 12:51 PM  

51. Emmanuel Mateo-Morales July 28, 2015 11:54 AM
Yeah... Alan Moore and them are two peas in a pod.



you've got no business commenting on the subject.

militant anti-slavery Republicans were the original US 'social justice warriors'. and YOU continue their legacy today.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 28, 2015 12:56 PM  

@55 I didn't do a single duck-and-cover exercise I can recall and I graduated high school in 1980. I don't buy your excuse Bob.

Alan Moore is just getting hoisted by the same petard he would gladly use on others.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 12:57 PM  

Young'un? I read it when it was new, bub. Dark Knight Returns was always better. And to be topical, it also slaughters neocons as easily as it does liberals.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 28, 2015 12:58 PM  

@56 but there is a large gap between Moore and Walters.

A gap may exist, but one leads to the other.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 28, 2015 1:00 PM  

@59 Its an interesting experience when you become the old fogey, isn't it?

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 1:03 PM  

In any case, Bob, you've delivered the definitive proof against your own argument. Moore's writing is always political harangueing; one of the single, biggest tells of an SJW.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 1:04 PM  

58. Brad Andrews July 28, 2015 12:56 PM
I didn't do a single duck-and-cover exercise I can recall and I graduated high school in 1980. I don't buy your excuse Bob.



a - i graduated in 85 and i know i saw a 'duck and cover' film in the classroom ... but it would have been 3rd grade or earlier. and i don't think we actually practiced the drill, having progressed by that time to the "it's useless trying to protect yourself in the event of a nuclear explosion" pov of 'When the Wind Blows'.

b - that has nothing to do with my larger point of indoctrination into fear of nuclear war, which was still ongoing.

we don't talk about that since the Soviet Union split up, so it's a cultural touchstone that anyone born since 1985 is going to be unaware of.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 1:04 PM  

@61: I'm OK. If you graduated in 1980, I'm still ten years younger than you at least!

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 1:04 PM  

Moore is a great artist and serves pure poison. Let the SJW eat their own like a dragonfly eating it's own tail.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 28, 2015 1:09 PM  

The SJW media whores are well into the realm of thought crimes accusations. Of course it started and is legally perpetuated by so-called hate crimes. Hate is an emotion, nothing more, nothing less. Therefore the question becomes, how can you make an emotion illegal? It is certainly the same as trying to make a thought illegal. Secondly, how can anyone discern another person's emotion? Unless you have telepathy, it is realistically impossible, and any attempt will only be a fool's exercise in subjective projection. With enough power, however, any such foolishness and the destruction committed in its name is permitted.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 1:16 PM  

62. Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 1:03 PM
In any case, Bob, you've delivered the definitive proof against your own argument. Moore's writing is always political harangueing;


'disagreement' is NOT the defining characteristic of an SJW.

Taylor was nominally on our side of almost every issue ... yet her entire argumentative toolbox was almost exclusively SJW point and shriek exercises.

remember? it was her pointing and shrieking at Vox that finally got her banned.

being politically Right is a proxy indicator for NOT being SJW. it is not, however, an absolutely negative correlation.

which is why GamerGate is full of libs and homos and women and minorities and atheists.

there are many, MANY Leftists in GamerGate.

but we make common cause with them against the SJWs.

Blogger luagha July 28, 2015 1:18 PM  

"Daniel, the Watchmen ends with the villain winning and the people with honor and integrity dying or compromising."

Actually, it's pretty clear that the Comedian is the final winner of the Watchmen. The Comedian's special power is that he knows that life is a joke. He gets the last laugh when Rorschach's journal is published and Ozymandias's scheme comes crashing down when everyone realizes they were lied to.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 1:22 PM  

@67; Yeah, I never said it was. Moore is an SJW because he uses SJW tactics. He's admittedly less feral than the SJWs of today who flood places like Twitter.

Of course, it doesn't hurt that he champions most of the same causes that SJWs do.

Anyway, who's Taylor? Must have been before I found the blog.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 1:29 PM  

68. luagha July 28, 2015 1:18 PM
He gets the last laugh when Rorschach's journal is published and Ozymandias's scheme comes crashing down when everyone realizes they were lied to.


a - nothing like that is ever shown, you're assuming that it makes it off the slush pile ( i agree, it probably does )

b - New Frontiersman is a 'crank', 'conspiracy theory' rag akin to The Spotlight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spotlight

anything 'revealed' in the New Frontiersman would be marginalized as kook and crackpot.

just as everything in The Spotlight was marginalized ... in spite of having been decades ahead of anyone on Vox Populi about the banking conspiracy and the Trilateral Commission / Bilderbergers / CFR, etc.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 1:32 PM  

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/11/troll-ban-anonagain.html

Blogger Philip Sandifer July 28, 2015 1:32 PM  

First of all that interview is more than eighteen months old, and Moore has given numerous interviews since.

It's worth looking at the actual interview (https://slovobooks.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/last-alan-moore-interview/) to get a fuller perspective on Moore's views. Notably, his (ultimately false) claim to be forgoing further interviews is not a reaction against SJWs, but against what he views as an orchestrated smear campaign on the part his creative and magical rival Grant Morrison.

This is perhaps unsurprising given that he also says, "It may be some variant upon this way of thinking that has for so long precluded positive representations of women, non-white people and people of alternative sexual orientations from most entertainment media (not historically well-staffed by women or people of different ethnicities or publically-stated sexualities), although upon consideration it’s probably more likely the result of simple ignorance and ordinary unexamined prejudice. Surely, rather than some rather poorly-conceived proscription being applied to the depiction of all differing groups of people across all of the arts, it would be more sensible to judge each separate occasion individually and on its own terms? Actually, whether it’s the most sensible approach or not, in any practical sense it is the only way that these issues have been judged in the past, and lacking any non-totalitarian alternative I imagine that it is the method by which such things will be judged for a considerable distance into the future. It is perfectly proper and correct that our interpretation of the Golliwog should be interrogated and questioned, as it was with the character’s first appearance some few years ago, when I believed these issues to have been addressed and that our motives had been both generally understood and generally accepted," which is about as pro-SJW as you can get.

Though really, this shouldn't surprise even a casual follower of Moore's career, of course, given that he's an anarchist occultist with a career-long commitment to social justice, beginning with his still acutely relevant 1983 analysis of sexism in American comic books "Phantom Girls and Invisible Ladies."

Nice try twisting his words though.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 28, 2015 1:53 PM  

Rohrschach was libertarian? Yeah right....

Btw Vox, did you deliberately pick the title of this post to outgroup them?

Blogger VD July 28, 2015 1:55 PM  

Nice try twisting his words though.

It's not twisting them at all. He's an SJW whose been attacked by SJWs. THIS is twisting one's words:

"A community that can be this effectively controlled by someone who thinks black people are subhuman and who has called for acid attacks on feminists is not one whose awards have any sort of cultural validity."

Not one, but two direct lies. But congratulations. At least you made the book!

Blogger Philip Sandifer July 28, 2015 2:01 PM  

You're absolutely twisting his words, in that you are suggesting that "he will henceforth avoid the media rather than put up with incessant thought-policing by the SJWs" when in fact he said no such thing, and instead specifically targeted Grant Morrison and a couple of journalists and critics he believes to be carrying Morrison's water for him.

Genuinely thrilled to know I got under your skin enough to make your book, though. I was afraid I'd have to actually hijack a major literary award or something, but you've been wonderfully accommodating.

Blogger Doom July 28, 2015 2:12 PM  

It's difficult to have any sympathy for those who have not so much tolerated, and outright supported these things with their own incessant questions and doubts about mainstream American life, morality, family life, sin, and the rest. Now, as they get older, and have to deal with their own much as we have had to deal with them, they whine and hide away? Fuck him and his gay pony too.

I suppose he will bitch about the geriatricide he and his have created and will have imposed on the future too? Can't even enjoy the bounty they have worked so hard to obtain. (Oh, well, yeah... snark. Sometimes it's deserved, especially when they have pulled my plug too.)

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 2:26 PM  

They quit duck and cover in the sixties for nukes. They continued it for a bit for earthquakes. You probably remember the earthquake drill.

On the subject of SJWs eating their own the article did say 'comprehensive sign-off from public life'. Kind of hard to see how that was twisted. Unless you want to argue what the definition of each word is, which is of course a SJW tactic by itself.

How is someone proud about spouting easily checked lies that make it into a book? Lots of SJWs are proud of lies I understand.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 2:29 PM  

automatthew is there a function for ignoring a particular commentator? It's made reading Fred on Everything and iSteve much more pleasant.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 28, 2015 2:36 PM  

"Genuinely thrilled to know I got under your skin enough to make your book, though"

Gammas gonna Gamma.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 2:42 PM  

77. Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 2:26 PM
You probably remember the earthquake drill.



Florida doesn't have earthquakes and has never drilled for them.

and i fail to see how 'ducking' during a hurricane storm surge would be helpful.

you're still not keeping up. i already said that we did NOT do a 'duck and cover' drill ... we just watched the film on it, for historical purposes.

now, are you going to deny that there was a major push to vote against Reagan in 80 because he was 'going to nuke Russia'?

are you going to deny that the primary line of attack against Star Wars missile defense program was that it would destabilize the MAD ( mutually assured destruction ) doctrine?

are you going to assert that there was no nuke war scare propaganda when "When the Wind Blows" was a 1982 graphic novel and 1986 film?

if so, i have to question how much you were really paying attention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_Wind_Blows

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 2:52 PM  

I remember doing a duck and cover circa 1979 or so. But it's not anything like the annoyingly ubiquitous fire drills, or now "armed intruder" drills. I only remember doing it once or twice tops.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 2:59 PM  

bob k. mando @80 Sorry I missed you're comment about the historical movie. Why would I deny any historical facts. Here's the thing. I don't have to pay that much attention and if I happen to miss a posting or two the internet won't break. About when the wind blows. I have no clue. I was still on the fringe of collecting comics at that time but it never crossed my path. Never heard of the movie either but I will unconditionally accept your description of it. I don't doubt your word.

There was nothing but anti-nuke propaganda until the end of the cold war. I had to drive to work through several protests against nukes in the early eighties. Had to watch adds for too many to count and 'On the Beach' was one of the movies they showed in Jr High or High School. I don't remember which. There was even an editorial op ed that was actually a short story saying how we were all going to be turned into lizard man mutants because of nuclear power plants. My guess is it was Stephen King. It was during his 'nuclear power = Satan' phase but it could have been any number of idiot leftist anti nuke defeatists.

No need for hostility. I just missed where you said it was an historical film.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 28, 2015 3:06 PM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius July 28, 2015 3:09 PM  

re:75

I was afraid I'd have to actually hijack a major literary award or something...

We didn't hijack a major literary award.

We hijacked the Hugos.

(*ba-da-bump...tiiish!*)

Blogger Philip Sandifer July 28, 2015 3:13 PM  

We didn't hijack a major literary award.

We hijacked the Hugos.


Well played.

Blogger VD July 28, 2015 3:14 PM  

You're absolutely twisting his words, in that you are suggesting that "he will henceforth avoid the media rather than put up with incessant thought-policing by the SJWs" when in fact he said no such thing.

I didn't twist them. If they were twisted, they were twisted by the reporter, who wrote: "Comics god Alan Moore has issued a comprehensive sign-off from public life...."

Now, were you mistaken about me or were you lying about me? Because obviously, you were not right about me.

You didn't get under my skin, Phil. You're just a wonderful example of how SJWS ALWAYS LIE. Your chief claim to fame will be that you are a liar. Which, as we can see, you are.

Blogger VD July 28, 2015 3:15 PM  

How is someone proud about spouting easily checked lies that make it into a book? Lots of SJWs are proud of lies I understand.

Oh, there is a GREAT Scalzi quote in it to close one chapter.

"I lie, and generally do not regret doing so."
- John Scalzi, March 12, 2012

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 28, 2015 3:24 PM  

re:85

(*Cataline bows*)

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 3:35 PM  

Your chief claim to fame will be that you are a liar.

Heh. Now I get it.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 3:36 PM  

75. Philip Sandifer July 28, 2015 2:01 PM
You're absolutely twisting his words, in that you are suggesting that "he will henceforth avoid the media rather than put up with incessant thought-policing by the SJWs" when in fact he said no such thing,




if you're going to tell such blatant lies, it would probably be best if, you know, you actually read Moore's words first.

just so you don't look like a fucking moron.

"To this end, once I’ve satisfied my current commitments, I shall more or less curtail speaking engagements and non-performance appearances, certainly including all offers to talk on comic-related matters or in a comic-related context. Likewise, while I shall probably still do a couple of rigorously-selected interviews and perhaps a limited signing at the launch of any new books (since my worthy and excellent collaborators and publishers shouldn’t be disadvantaged in terms of publicity, although for my own part I’m not that bothered), it would be much more convenient if I just rejected requests for interviews unless I myself saw some especially good reason to do otherwise."

iow, Alan Moore is going to make a point of avoiding the media unless under the most pressing of matters.

suck it, bitch.



82. Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 2:59 PM
No need for hostility. I just missed where you said it was an historical film.



*shrugs*

i'm not being hostile. ( points to previous response ) that's hostile.

i made a general point and used a shorthand concept ( duck and cover ) to refer to it.

you decided to attack my citing of duck and cover. whatever.

you're now agreeing that the zeitgeist that i was talking about was prevalent ... and thus, also seem to be agreeing that this understanding of the world is necessary in order to understand Watchmen.

which was my point the whole time. it's a world wholly foreign to those 25 and under ... although they can draw analogies to something like The Day After Tomorrow or Captain Planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow

Blogger Groot July 28, 2015 3:39 PM  

@5. Stephen J.:
"Steve -- That is a simultaneously brilliant and deeply upsetting image. Well done."

The Evil League of Stevil is a cabal that never sleeps. When Stephen King and Neal Stephenson start posting here, I'll know their evil designs near completion.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 3:48 PM  

bob k. mando @90 I never attacked you. If you got the impression I did I apologize. It looks like I agree with you because I do. You're right about everything as far as I know regarding the anti-nuke movement and era.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 3:53 PM  

Bob, I admit that I'm not keeping up. What does the Cold War psyche that was a cultural touchstone from when he wrote Watchmen have to do with whether or not Moore is an SJW?

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 4:33 PM  

93. Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 3:53 PM
Bob, I admit that I'm not keeping up. What does the Cold War psyche that was a cultural touchstone from when he wrote Watchmen have to do with whether or not Moore is an SJW?



that's a different conversation.

the assertions were made earlier in the thread that Moore considered Rorschach to be a hero and Ozymandias was the villain.

that's absolutely false. an understandable mistake for someone of the Right to be sure, but you have to look at Watchmen the way Moore intended it to be taken.

and Moore is a Socialist Anarchist who couldn't stand Rorschach.

Ozymandias is the Great Leader so common to Marxist mythologies that makes the necessary, if unpleasant, sacrifices ( although it's only ever others who pay the bill ) required to usher in the age of enlightenment which will benefit the whole Proletariat.

all the rest of the Watchmen come to this assessment by the end of the last book.


once you understand that the actual antagonist ( Nixon ) and the actual threat ( Global Thermonuclear War ) make very few appearances in the narrative, everything snaps into focus.

remember, Moore was one of ( the? ) first writers to try to think seriously about caped supers in the real world of Vietnam protests and Cold War confrontations.

doesn't it seem rather trite and stupid for a billionaire inventing genius to be spending his nights punching two bit purse snatchers in an alley in the middle of the night when the entire planet faces nuclear annihilation?



Moore is rather embarrassed that so many people like Rorschach. undoubtedly, it's another data point in his general disdain for the great unwashed masses of the comic buying public.

you sleazy bourgeoisie.

Anonymous Sparky July 28, 2015 5:04 PM  

Rorschach is based on The Question who was created by Objectivist Steve Ditko as a mouthpiece for his ideas of Black and White morality.

Naturally, Moore being an SJW believes there is no such thing as objective good and evil and had to make Rorschach a pathetic joke in response.

That Rorschach remains the most popular Watchmen character (who also technically wins in the end) no doubt infuriates Moore. It must be those stupid audiences latching on to a hero that acts somewhat heroic as opposed to the ones who do not.

Blogger Groot July 28, 2015 5:37 PM  

@17. VFM #0202:
"I'm 4+ sigma":

"Finally, someone who speaks English." -- Tony Stark.
Please disambiguate: CAGW, warming or citizens? And regarding the march, relax, Cnut the Great already made the gesture.

@23. bob k. mando:
"who stands taller in the current world of comics than Alan Moore?"

Kevin Feige is the current Thanos.

@46. The other robot:
"OT: Another possible presidential candidate is against open borders?"

The always readable Kevin Williamson deems Sanders a national socialist, with little love for the brown or yellow: Bernie’s Strange Brew of Nationalism and Socialism.

52. Arthur Isaac
"Hyenas are matriarchal."

I kept wondering why nobody was bringing this up. Genuinely weird shit. The females are larger, more aggressive, and their pudenda are enlarged and resemble penii.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 5:59 PM  

something else to consider about the Watchmen Nixon ...

the real Richard Nixon was still alive in 1987 when Watchmen finished it's run. he didn't die until 1994.

the fictional Nixon forces an amendment ( i forget if a coup was involved ) to allow him to serve an unlimited number of terms as president.

the real Nixon resigned his seat rather than force an impeachment trial.

the fictional Nixon is a thud and blunder jingoist dancing on the precipice of nuclear exchange.

the real Nixon was elected on a pledge to extract us from the Vietnam confrontation and opened Red China to trade and diplomacy with us.

iow, everything Watchmen asserts about Nixon is a lie. but popular with Leftists.

"Moore specifically stated in 1986 that he was writing Watchmen to be "not anti-Americanism, [but] anti-Reaganism," specifically believing that "at the moment a certain part of Reagan's America isn't scared. They think they're invulnerable.""

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 6:09 PM  

97. Groot July 28, 2015 5:37 PM
Kevin Feige is the current Thanos.


Feige is a film producer and isn't directly involved in comics at all.

i'll admit that Marvel Studios is the tail wagging the comics dog ... but he's just adapting existing comics work to the big screen.

Blogger Marissa July 28, 2015 6:36 PM  

you sleazy bourgeoisie....buy my shit.

Blogger Daniel July 28, 2015 6:54 PM  

I don't think Moore hates that Rorshach is popular at all, or else he would not have made him the hero who tells the truth about the entire scam. Every paranoid insight of Rorshach turns out to be objectively true. Moore is a Leftist anarchocapitalist...NOT an SJW.

Blogger Daniel July 28, 2015 7:02 PM  

Nixon was hardly a conservative; he raped gold, air-quit Vietnam in protoClintonian fashion and "opened" China, and declared the war on drugs instead of ending the war on poverty. Watchmen was alternate history where Nixon wasn't a sniveling victim and American fringe life was kept on the fringe instead of being mainstreamed.

Nixon as tyrant comes off as benevolent compared to the modern Supreme Court.

Blogger ray July 28, 2015 7:13 PM  

They long-since finished culling overt resisters, so now they're working through the ones who've been silent during the Purge, trying to keep their heads down and have careers. Alan Moores, Tim Hunts, etc.

Blogger Daniel July 28, 2015 7:14 PM  

I think what is confusing about Moore is that he ia a) an occultist and b) a sex maniac. No SJW worth his puritanical scourge and equalitarianism would ever depict so many hot chicks banging their way through orgies and flings. He fetishizes Wendy Durling, Alice in Wonderland and Baum's Dorothy for heaven sake. He is at best like Joss Wedon: rhyming but ultimately in conflict with the current narrative.

He might have been in harmony with the SJW in 1992...but he is way out of step at this point. At best he is a paleoSJW...one of those old dinosaurs now targeted.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 7:56 PM  

102. Daniel July 28, 2015 7:02 PM
Nixon was hardly a conservative;



i agree, there is much to criticize Nixon for. for instance, you missed wage and price controls.

but what Nixon gets criticized for has practically nothing to do with what he actually did.

what Nixon gets criticized for is much closer to the Alan Moore caricature than what happened in real life.

Blogger Daniel July 28, 2015 8:18 PM  

BS Bob. The Keene Act (the War on Supermen) is a direct symbol of Nixon's War on Drugs. Moore does a good job of showing how screwed up Supermen (Drugs) were and how harmful they could be to individuals...but that Prohibition was an even more corrupt cure, and an infringement of liberty.

Don't misunderstand me: Moore's personal politics are selfserving and illogical and def. Left wing. Just not SJW...at least not enough...for it to get in the way of his occasionally shabby but invariably honest artistic truth.

Again Ozymandias is closer to Obama (but with brains instead of Daddy issues)...and is the bad guy, while the old white male rapist is still salty and admirable in his damned way.

And the eye candy is eye candy and the self involved gammas lose girls to deltas and alphas, and the omega does the best he can in his solitary dedication to something other than the sociosexual.

Blogger Groot July 28, 2015 10:03 PM  

Feige is president of Marvel Studios, which resides in the world of comics. Don't fogey up on us. Technology has expanded that world.

And the movie is obviously a parable about trees and the heinous diseases they must withstand. I'm talking blight, root rot, and leaf spot diseases. Why does everybody just ignore the plight of trees?

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2015 11:00 PM  

107. Groot July 28, 2015 10:03 PM
Feige is president of Marvel Studios, which resides in the world of comics. Don't fogey up on us. Technology has expanded that world.



get offa my lawn, punk.

*waves cane*

comics ( storytelling through sequential pictures ) has existed far longer than movies.

comics aren't movies and movies aren't comics.

suck it ( which you were probably already doing with your roots anyways ).



106. Daniel July 28, 2015 8:18 PM
The Keene Act (the War on Supermen) is a direct symbol of Nixon's War on Drugs. Moore does a good job of showing how screwed up Supermen (Drugs) were and how harmful they could be to individuals



well ... that's certainly a novel interpretation, can't take that away from you.

Blogger Floyd Looney July 29, 2015 12:04 AM  

Okay, so this guy is a little like the comic book version of George RR Martin (although much more historical and indelible) and he gets attacked by the SJW dogs. Why? All he seems guilty of is that he hasn't kept up on the daily meme memo... memeo?. It has to be hard to keep being a good leftist when the definition changes by the day.

Blogger Groot July 29, 2015 1:58 AM  

108. bob k. mando
"comics ( storytelling through sequential pictures ) has existed far longer than movies.
comics aren't movies and movies aren't comics."

Comics aren't comics, either, as in "comic books." Not funny, not books. It's a term of art, as the legal folk would say. I refuse to go to "graphic novels." But "graphical representations of a certain genre" encompasses movies. Moving out of fogey-town, that means comics includes movies, as well. QED.

Blogger Groot July 29, 2015 2:14 AM  

Shorter: "storytelling through sequential pictures" is almost the definition of "movies."

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 29, 2015 9:33 AM  

In addition to everything else noted about Nixon not being a conservative, he gave us the Environmental Protection Agency. He was and is hated by the Left because he was a liberal anti-communist and so-called "red baiter" (he defeated the California communist Helen Douglas to win a seat in Congress by calling her out on being a commie)..

Nixon was also a longtime member of the NAACP. But all his liberal statism didn't save him from having to resign in what historian Paul Johnson accurately identified as "a media putsch" in the book Modern Times.

Blogger bob k. mando July 29, 2015 10:46 AM  

111. Groot July 29, 2015 2:14 AM
Shorter: "storytelling through sequential pictures" is almost the definition of "movies."


if your experience of a movie theater is equivalent to reading a comic book ...

you got some pretty big cognitive difficulties. probably synesthesia as well.


i mean, that's right up there with Daniel telling me that a 70s flower child hippy who regularly writes psychedelic storylines and that looks like this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Alan_Moore_%282%29.jpg/800px-Alan_Moore_%282%29.jpg

AND WHO WAS AN LSD USER AND DEALER
"He began dealing the hallucinogenic LSD at school, being expelled for doing so in 1970 – he later described himself as "one of the world's most inept LSD dealers"."

wrote a story about how 'harmful' drugs are.

now get out of my fogey town, you're disturbing my nap, punk.

you trees are just too liberal and quick to change for my taste.



109. Floyd Looney July 29, 2015 12:04 AM
Why? All he seems guilty of is that he hasn't kept up on the daily meme memo... memeo?


Orson Scott Card has always voted Dem and considered himself liberal.

however, due to Card's discomfort with homosex ... he finds himself being boycotted by the modern Left.

same thing they're trying to do to Moore.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 29, 2015 10:54 AM  

if your experience of a movie theater is equivalent to reading a comic book ...

you got some pretty big cognitive difficulties. probably synesthesia as well.


Ain't no synestiesia like movie theater synthesia!

Blogger Groot July 29, 2015 2:59 PM  

@114. VFM bot #188:
"Ain't no synestiesia like movie theater synthesia!"

I will appropriate this as my personal motto.

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Blogger Brad Andrews July 30, 2015 11:48 AM  

@113 Most of these people are just SJWs (in theory or fact) that the warren turned against. Alan Moore is self-hating if the OP is completely accurate. He favors things they do, except when they turn on him.

Blogger Miss Carnivorous July 30, 2015 11:14 PM  

Lefties loved "Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Both the novels and movies. Rape and revenge fantasy, and pixie kicking butt. Trouble is, you had to watch one one of the most heinous rape scenes ever filmed before you got to see the revenge.

Lefties love violent movies. They often enjoy grotesque amounts of emotional violence. Ordinary People?? Shine?? The Wrestler. Lefties love movies about people who engage in professions that are strange to them, wrestling, ballroom dancing, Roller Derby, country singer bios. They would never watch wrestling, but they like art movies about wrestlers.

Grotesquely violent movies like " God Bless America" wherein babies are murdered for crying too much and people are murdered for watching reality TV.

Then, there are the ultra violent torture scenarios, Syriana!! A lot of right wingers and most of the common man love cartoonish, over the top, unrealistic violence. Flying cars, robots and super heroes.

Anonymous RJ Moore January 20, 2016 9:19 AM  

I think the breakthrough in the AltRight, against SJWs and liberal egalitarianism in general, has been to stop pandering to these people and playing by the rules of feminized 'nice guy' culture. These people are fucking psycho idiots and should never be taken seriously as though they had real opinions or were open to reason. They need to be treated like the Commie Jihadi nuts they are, this is all these empty-headed windbags understand: intimidation and contempt.

Anonymous RJ Moore January 20, 2016 9:23 AM  

Re: Miss Carnivorous and the Grindhouse fare of Hollywoodism, this stems from a couple of things IMO. One, that people are fascinated by violence for gut-biological reasons and social reality; two, that lacking any respect for violence and violent men they invariably prostitute and pervert it; Hollywood gore-porn stems from the denigration of aristocracy and heroism in the same way sex-porn stems from the denigration of traditional gender roles.

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