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Friday, July 17, 2015

Outing and doxxing are cool now

Apparently, if Gawker is any guide. The difficult thing about dealing with SJWs is one can never keep track of when one is supposed to consider the same action a) outrageous or b) meritorious:
Condé Nast's CFO Tried To Pay $2,500 for a Night With a Gay Porn Star

David Geithner, brother of ex-Obama Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, is currently the chief financial officer of Condé Nast. This past weekend, he’d planned to go to Chicago—where he planned to meet a gay porn star and escort for “2-3 hours” at a cost of $2,500.
Actually, the chief lesson I learned from reading this article is to never rely upon gay porn star escorts, not that I anticipate any difficulties considering what has hitherto been my historical record of spotless success in this regard. Yes, the whole thing is very shady and I have no doubt Mr. Geithner has some difficult conversations with his wife and employer looming, and yes, Gawker merits every bit of the flak that it is going to take from #GamerGate and others, but Geithner is hardly the first corporate executive to have a seamy side and Gawker's hypocrisy is very much par for the course.

What was truly shocking was the bizarre behavior of the escort. I mean, how flaky does one have to be to try to get the brother of a former administration official to help resolve one's dispute with the Department of Housing and Urban Development on behalf of a prostitute whose illicit favors one has not even yet sampled?

In any event, it's vastly amusing to see how Gawker has demonstrated its ability to make everyone across the political spectrum hate it. Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad. If you're interested in joining #GamerGate's anti-Gawker action, Operation Disrespectful Nod, which has already cost Gawker more than $1 million in advertising dollars, go here.

Emails lead the charge
Cleanse the world of #gawker filth
Our ethics shall reign

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118 Comments:

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) July 17, 2015 8:17 AM  

Comedy gold. That escort definitely sounds like a nut-case. And why all the cloak and daggerish planning to meet in Chicago?........they both live in Texas .......or maybe I'm missing something here.
And........shouldn't Gawker be celebrating Geithner's right to choose whom to love?

Blogger AmyJ July 17, 2015 8:26 AM  

Whatever happened to #noh8, Gawker?

Blogger Daniel July 17, 2015 8:36 AM  

#LoveWhines

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) July 17, 2015 8:39 AM  

Cool today, bad tomorrow, and cool again the day after.

In case anyone hasn't figured it out yet, Gawker and its ilk determine the moral/ethical basis for their decisions with a coin flip.

Blogger Salt July 17, 2015 8:40 AM  

Chicago... hmmm.

" Hi, Rahm? David here. Care to make it a threesome?"

Blogger Daniel July 17, 2015 8:40 AM  

Who is their leader, Harvey Dent?

Anonymous Zippy July 17, 2015 8:45 AM  

I thought the whole point of gay lib was that gay guys wouldn't have to pretend to be straight and marry women, but could instead be gay guys. It's not as if being gay would have hurt his career at all.

By the way, it is at least possible that this really is a shakedown, and that the messages from Geithner are faked. Not saying true, but we should keep that in mind.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 8:50 AM  

Sorry guys... this looks like a huge setup to me. Anyone with any law enforcement contacts at all will tell you... this is not how the world prostitution works.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 17, 2015 8:50 AM  

brother of ex-Obama Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner,

I am ashamed for the gay porn star, honestly. What could he possibly tell the world other than maybe "I just didn't know, he used a false name..."

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 17, 2015 8:56 AM  

I'm pretty sure Hulk Hogan is going to take them down soon enough.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 17, 2015 8:56 AM  

Ron Mexicoberg, no doubt a bottom boy, happily married to a female but a full throated supporter of gay lib because he cares deeply about equality, u huh you bet

Blogger Cail Corishev July 17, 2015 8:58 AM  

I'm not sure why #GamerGate should have to lead the charge on this. Seems like all those moderates out there would want to quash such clearly hateful and anti-social behavior before it stirs up extremists like #GamerGate.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:05 AM  

I'm not saying dude isn't queer as a football bat. I'm just saying... this isn't how its done. This is an illegal trade that is the focus of undercover stings quite often.

I've pointed out before... when I move somewhere I always go out of my way to get to know the cops. If they have side jobs or side businesses... I hire them. I hang out with them. I talk to them and get to know them. I don this as part of my own OpSec. In doing so I learn alot... for example I've learned a great deal about just how difficult it is to actually convict someone of prostitution... not because of the law... but because of the practices learned by those involved.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 July 17, 2015 9:06 AM  

It appears to be a set up.

Blogger Robert What? July 17, 2015 9:06 AM  

Just curious: how did Gawker get this information? Did the escort run to them hoping for a nice payout for a juicy story?

Anyway, I will continue not visiting Gawker. A couple of years ago after being sucked in by some if their time-wasting clickbait, I decided to never knowingly give them even a single click.

Anonymous Soga July 17, 2015 9:07 AM  

I don't really understand this. Why is Gawker attacking a former official of Obama's administration? Aren't they on the same team?

I suppose you're right, VD, God must have driven Gawker mad.

Either that, or the GOP coming out as the Gay Old Party publicly must have taken the teeth out of criticisms of clandestine homosexual activity among conservatives. So what's an attack rag like Gawker to do? Of course, eat their own!

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 17, 2015 9:08 AM  

Funny Gawker does so much to protect the ID of the male hooker. He probably got kicked out of his apartment for having a home based business gay brothel.

Anyone with any law enforcement contacts at all will tell you... this is not how the world prostitution works.

I used to be friends with a gay porn star. This isn't some black girl giving BJs for crack. Having a big Willey trumps all in the gay community, except possibly a 15yo (with a big Wiley) that guys at the DNC can snort cocaine off the penis of of.

Anonymous Soga July 17, 2015 9:14 AM  

Or it might be Gawker hungry for clicks since GamerGate really hit them hard.

When you're a prog and hungry for cash, principles don't matter.

Anonymous BGS July 17, 2015 9:17 AM  

I've learned a great deal about just how difficult it is to actually convict someone of prostitution

I am not doubting your extensive knowledge of STR8 prostitution but if you look at a gay newspaper from a big city like the DC BLADE or any of the NYC ones you will see full page ads for male escorts, in fact male escorts are the majority of the ads.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 17, 2015 9:22 AM  

Nate,

but because of the practices learned by those involved.

Please elaborate.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:23 AM  

"I am not doubting your extensive knowledge of STR8 prostitution but if you look at a gay newspaper from a big city like the DC BLADE or any of the NYC ones you will see full page ads for male escorts, in fact male escorts are the majority of the ads."

granted... gay prostitution is not a big thing... or really... a thing at all... in the places I've lived. but I have known detectives to bitch about how even with obvious ads on places like backpage for example.. they still find it almost impossible to bust the girls. it takes takes months and often they have to turn a regular customer of hers and use him as an informant to make it happen.

they do it of course... because nothing grabs headlines like a prostitution bust.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:32 AM  

"Please elaborate. "

I mean how much do you want to know? there was a detective in dickson, tn that used to talk about the vice stuff a lot with me because at the time there were a lot of vice busts in Nashville. He would bitch about what a pain in the butt it was. There was a little rub and tug Asian "massage parlor" in town and he would bitch about how everyone was on him to do something about it... but they didn't understand how hard it was to actually raid one and get evidence enough to actually make it stick. They had sound strategies for it.. and it would make the news and get lots of kudos.. but it took a lot of time and a lot of money that they really didn't have.

What stands out to me here... is cash being sent via fed ex. and the idiotic texting back and forth. The complete and utter disregard for discretion is just silly.

Anonymous Northern Observer July 17, 2015 9:34 AM  

Just in case any one wants to read the article without increasing Gawker's page views:
https://archive.is/0MxfW

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 17, 2015 9:36 AM  

I never liked anything from Gawker except their car site briefly, because it didn't seem like a Gawker site at the start. Then, they replaced their editor who was actually a car guy with a more liberally-correct poser from Moo U who made it drift toward "I F**in Love Science that is Kind Of About Cars", and they ran not only off topic, but oddly left-wing political stuff on the car site. I met the new editor and immediately disliked him when he was dispatched to the sticks to pretend to be one of us. I assume Jalopnik was some elaborate Gawker bait-and-switch experiment from the start, like Kotaku - all media becomes left wing because it attracts those who have envy as their prime mover, but it was a really fast boomerang from content-focused to yet another lefty news-ish opinion site.

Anonymous Northern Observer July 17, 2015 9:38 AM  

$2500 + flight + night at a four star hotel.

For a few hours of sex? WTF?

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:41 AM  

"For a few hours of sex? WTF?"

exactly. now take it a step further. Someone that's making that kind of money... is going to risk it for what?

you pull that kind of money from high profile clients who have something to lose. they therefore value discretion. Violate that trust... and all that income goes ***poof***

but hey.. maybe in the gay world rationality and reason and risk assessment have no seat at the table.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 9:41 AM  

They are sending a message to someone.

At least they didn't kill him.

He could have jumped out of a window.

Anonymous BGS July 17, 2015 9:43 AM  

Just like if HACC's vice president was STR8 he would lose his job if everyone knew he had sex parties at his house for students not old enough to go to the bars, but since he is gay no one cares, they even consider it a "safe space". The ads in the gay papers spell out what they are willing to do sexually so there is no doubt what is being offered.

$2500 + flight + night at a four star hotel.For a few hours of sex? WTF?

Look at how much its costing him and he didn't even get sex out of it. He even sent 1/2 ahead of time and couldn't even get timely text responses back.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:43 AM  

"They are sending a message to someone. "

yep. and it may not even be Geithner.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 17, 2015 9:44 AM  

But without Gawker how would we disqualify the words tolerance and diversity as mere political posturing of the worst sort?

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:45 AM  

so gays don't worry about it.. because busting them would be homophobic?

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:46 AM  

i can see that from the gay escort.. but its not like Geithner doesn't have alot to lose. He's just so addicted to dick he can't be bothered to take even the slightest precautions?

Anonymous BGS July 17, 2015 9:47 AM  

maybe in the gay world rationality and reason and risk assessment have no seat at the table.

You have no idea how much I hated when the movie Black Swan came out. I kept thinking people where having an intelligent conversation. Guys couldn't even wait until the cleaned up the bathhouses after hurricane Sandy in NYC and ended up having a meningitis outbreak that was tracked back to one

Anonymous Stingray July 17, 2015 9:48 AM  

so gays don't worry about it.. because busting them would be homophobic?

Makes sense. You can't arrest looting blacks because that would be racist.

Anonymous Stingray July 17, 2015 9:53 AM  

He's just so addicted to dick he can't be bothered to take even the slightest precautions?

The way these people think, it's entirely possible that after all the celebrations regarding SCOTUS lately, Geithner thought he had little to worry about or even thought that this scandal would improve his reputation.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:53 AM  

"You have no idea how much I hated when the movie Black Swan came out."

yeah.. ok... but again... we're not talking about average dick hounds here. We're talking about people with a lot to lose.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 9:54 AM  

Time to write a book.

"How My Arrest Freed Me To Be Meeeee"

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:54 AM  

this is all just pointing more evidence to the belief that homosexuality is a mental illness in the obsessive personality spectrum.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 9:55 AM  

Where is Josh? Josh! Trot out the quote.

Blogger David-093 July 17, 2015 9:59 AM  

If they really wanted to send a message to as many of their people as possible they would've made the prostitute male and underage.

Blogger Kaijubushi July 17, 2015 10:00 AM  

What happened when black swan came out? Wasn't that a ballet movie? Am I missing something or do I not want to know?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 10:00 AM  

Should have just gone to Bohemian Grove.

Could have hung out with Jeb.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 10:03 AM  

David 093, the message is we can do anything we want to do, and was for someone else.

If this guy was the target and they wanted to destroy him, I would say you were right.

Blogger Jourdan July 17, 2015 10:08 AM  

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Blogger Jourdan July 17, 2015 10:09 AM  

I don't know about gay porn star outcall, but I do know from my time working for a company in show biz in Los Angeles that a LOT of the porn starlets working out of the Valley make more money doing outcall than they do from their porn videos and the going rate for a "First Class" porn star at that time--and this was mid 1990s--$2,000 minimum. So, the price tag doesn't surprise me.

People who get obsessed with porn will pay outrageous prices for sex with the actual human beings who are the subject of their obsession. In fact, one of the things that is so distructive to male sexuality about porn is that it is so powerful, the imagery hits the sexuality of a man so hard, that eventually only that particular porn or sometimes that particular girl will be able to even arouse him to full erection. Sex with a normal girl, even a very pretty girl, becomes psychologically and physically impossible for the porn-addled man.

This is just one reason why it's so dangerous. I'm typically pretty absolutist when it comes to speech, but this shit is so harmful, it really needs to be banned.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 10:11 AM  

One click porn to many men is like a pile of cocaine on the kitchen table in the house of a cokehead.

Anonymous Spooner July 17, 2015 10:13 AM  

"Actually, the chief lesson I learned from reading this article is to never rely upon gay porn star escorts, not that I anticipate any difficulties considering what has hitherto been my historical record of spotless success in this regard. " -VD

Priceless, proving once again the pen is mightier than the sword.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 10:14 AM  

"This is just one reason why it's so dangerous. I'm typically pretty absolutist when it comes to speech, but this shit is so harmful, it really needs to be banned. "


okay... someone needs some time on the feinting couch...

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 10:20 AM  

I wish porn would be banned.

Then I couldn't click on it.

Blogger wrf3 July 17, 2015 10:27 AM  

Vox wrote: ...not that I anticipate any difficulties considering what has hitherto been my historical record of spotless success in this regard.

Pffft. A _real_ economist would have added, "past performance is no guarantee of future results."

Blogger David-093 July 17, 2015 10:29 AM  

This is definitely going to be one of those threads where you hear more than you ever wanted to.

Blogger Student in Blue July 17, 2015 10:34 AM  

...feinting, or fainting?

Anonymous AlteredFate July 17, 2015 10:36 AM  

This is just one reason why it's so dangerous. I'm typically pretty absolutist when it comes to speech, but this shit is so harmful, it really needs to be banned.

We should ban heroin too, it has taken so many young lives and destroyed others. Oh, and bicycles.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 10:36 AM  

David-093

It already is.

Blogger David-093 July 17, 2015 10:38 AM  

"...feinting, or fainting?"

You go to sit down, and suddenly the bastard's moved on you...

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 10:38 AM  

"We should ban heroin too, it has taken so many young lives and destroyed others. Oh, and bicycles."

and the gym. Men get obsessed with the endorphin high they get from lifting. Do you have any idea how destructive that is?

Also.. sky diving should also be banned. I know a guy who's jumped 1200 times in the last few years alone. Obviously his life is out-of-control.

Anonymous Soga July 17, 2015 10:40 AM  

I wish porn would be banned.

Then I couldn't click on it.


Yep, and given the scientific evidence of the harm it does, you'd think it would have already been banned. I mean, we banned smoking because of the health harm.

But it seems that somebody (a certain prowling lion looking to devour us) would rather that we be able to inflict self-harm, mentally and spiritually, freely.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 17, 2015 10:40 AM  

Nate,

I mean how much do you want to know?

Mostly was interested from a logistical point of view, but it's fine. I'm unfamiliar with the industry, but my ears perked at the counter-intelligence perspective, if however crude on the prostitute's part.

Blogger David-093 July 17, 2015 10:41 AM  

"Men get obsessed with the endorphin high they get from lifting. Do you have any idea how destructive that is?"

And the vanity. I know a guy who's a trainer and does professional competitions. HIs clients rave about him, but so what? The madness must end.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 10:44 AM  

". I'm unfamiliar with the industry, but my ears perked at the counter-intelligence perspective, if however crude on the prostitute's part. "

it is fascinating. you would be shocked at the level of sophistication the "hobbyists" as they call themselves have reached when it comes to OpSec. They have networks that they use to verify clients before meeting them... they have all kinds of means they use to pick what hotels or neighborhoods they work out of. They have lots of rules of interaction that all work to destroy a possible case against them.

Blogger Josh July 17, 2015 10:45 AM  

Where is Josh? Josh! Trot out the quote.

A gay rights activist was quoted in the village voice in the early nineties: "we're never going to stop fighting until people understand how important it is for me to have a dick in my mouth and another in my ass at the same time."

Blogger Jourdan July 17, 2015 10:49 AM  

@Nate and others -

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm generally not in favor of banning anything. And I know a lot of stufff is dangerous. But we simply don't know yet the scope of the damage porn is doing to the first generation of young men raised on a steady diet of but the early indications is that it is a psychological disaster that is causing harm that appears to be irrepairable.

I could be wrong and hope I am, but it doesn't appear to me to be shaping up as a mostly harmless way for men to deal with their sexual nature's relentless demands but more as a psycholological stimulant that renders actual sex difficult if not impossible in the same way a glutton needs more and more double-cheeseburgers or tacos until one day even a complete gorge out does nothing more than satiate him for 20 minutes.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2015 10:49 AM  

Thanks Josh!

Blogger Jourdan July 17, 2015 10:51 AM  

That said, I can't get enough of that Faye Reagan. I mean, damn.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 17, 2015 10:51 AM  

This is definitely going to be one of those threads where you hear more than you ever wanted to.

Josh just proved that.

Blogger Guitar Man July 17, 2015 10:51 AM  

Dang it, Josh.

Blogger David-093 July 17, 2015 10:55 AM  

@Jourdan

"But we simply don't know yet the scope of the damage porn is doing to the first generation of young men raised on a steady diet of but the early indications is that it is a psychological disaster that is causing harm that appears to be irrepairable. "

Male Millennials are more effeminate than male Xers, due to how and by whom they were raised. Naturally this will cause all sorts of problems for when they try and get a girlfriend. My impression is that a lack of success with women precedes the porn usage, not the other way around. People don't drink water out of the sewer unless they can't get it anywhere else.

Blogger VD July 17, 2015 10:56 AM  

They are sending a message to someone.

At Conde Nast? What, some Mexican resort in Cancun was upset about a review?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 10:58 AM  

My father in-law had a leg cutoff yesterday and the other in a couple of weeks. He would eat a dozen donuts right now in his hospital bed if he had them.

What is porn doing to us?

Blogger dc.sunsets July 17, 2015 11:00 AM  

Only people with weaknesses are allowed into position s of power. Until all of society goes back to pre-technology to eliminate this panopticon, nothing will change in this regard.

Once "corporate culture" is toxic it always will be.

Blogger David-093 July 17, 2015 11:00 AM  

@Josh

That comment reads like a brutal mockery of something a gay activist would say.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 11:01 AM  

Vox: "They are sending a message to someone.

At Conde Nast? What, some Mexican resort in Cancun was upset about a review?"

Sometimes you are naïve.

Gene Tatum could expand your paradigm.

Anonymous buzzcut #207 July 17, 2015 11:03 AM  

This Geithner fellow will be fine, as long as he wasn't wearing a Confederate flag belt buckle.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 17, 2015 11:03 AM  

...or Larry Nichols.

Blogger Student in Blue July 17, 2015 11:05 AM  

I could be wrong and hope I am, but it doesn't appear to me to be shaping up as a mostly harmless way for men to deal with their sexual nature's relentless demands[...]

Then consider it this way: making something illegal doesn't get rid of it. Much like heroin. And making stuff illegal often has far-reaching, unintended consequences. Like prohibition.

Anonymous Soga July 17, 2015 11:12 AM  

Your brain on porn

Be horrified at how porn alters your brain.

Blogger Salt July 17, 2015 11:17 AM  

USA Today has picked up on the story.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 17, 2015 11:17 AM  

Removing temptation is not how one raises honor.

Porn is just a particular slice of the harm all video causes. Our brains work differently when accessing information via written or spoken means vs full video. Full video bypasses most of the higher brain filters.

Porn simply combines the vice of casual sex/hedonism with the direct-to-core brain dump of video.

It is thus just one more pitfall a modern man must refuse or overcome on the path to full adulthood.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 17, 2015 11:22 AM  

Regarding the proposals to ban it, I don't know, mostly because I'm suspicious about their efficacy. But in regards to what harm can it do, porn can kill your dick for real sex. The effects are worse for men who have been involved with it relatively young. Regular porn use can make it impossible for men to participate in normal sex. If you want a source, I'll have to come back later because I'm about to head to work, but this is not just me saying this.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 17, 2015 11:24 AM  

It is flatly impossible to eliminate porn. Any hardcore effort to do so would make the social chaos and endemic public corruption of Prohibition look like kindergarten.

Modern times test us all. Constantly.

Men must be better fathers than their fathers, women better mothers than their mothers, better husbands and better wives, better men and better women.

Ever fewer make the cut, but rarity raises the sweetness of the accomplishment.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 17, 2015 11:26 AM  

I'm with VD on this one.
Homos are hardly the picture of balance and reason. So it doesn't surprise me about no "precautions".
Plus...the Josh quote.
We just don't understand.

Blogger bw July 17, 2015 11:28 AM  

making something illegal doesn't get rid of it. Much like heroin.

Pass a law, make a business.
Making it scarce drives the price up, and thus those in charge of the growing, trafficking and distribution (read: "the Elites") make maximum dollars, while degrading the society they rule over, thus making it easier to rule.
Then you can double dip by synthetically copying heroin and putting it in the "legal" drugs the Med Industry prescribes on daily basis. High Times.

unintended consequences. Like prohibition

Pass a law, end a business.
Corps use the government to eliminate competition and monopolize, and make boat loads of black market dollars in the process (see: Joseph Kennedy).

Oh and this Geithner Jew will be fine, being evangelically blessed as on of God's Chosen People.

Men must be better fathers than their fathers, women better mothers than their mothers

Yes. More aware.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 17, 2015 11:33 AM  

you would be shocked at the level of sophistication the "hobbyists" as they call themselves have reached when it comes to OpSec....They have lots of rules of interaction that all work to destroy a possible case against them.

Nate, anything in there that those of us with different "hobbies" might find useful? Like, say my hobby was selling incandescent light bulbs or politically incorrect flags? Maybe Castalia needs to augment "Compost Everything" with "The Underground Hobbyist"

Blogger bw July 17, 2015 11:35 AM  

or even thought that this scandal would improve his reputation

Now we're getting somewhere. Simply open, ritual mockery of the people and country. Flaunt it, honey.
The Juice Jesters.

Anonymous kfg July 17, 2015 11:41 AM  

"Regular porn use can make it impossible for men to participate in normal sex."

And this is an issue for law, because . . .?

Anonymous Red Comet July 17, 2015 11:43 AM  

I assume the motivation behind this story was some combo of clickbait money and Nick Denton being mad this dude was on the downlow instead of sucking cock in public.

To anyone who knows more about law: since this case involved blackmail, can Gawker face criminal liability for publishing the dirt on this guy?

Anonymous kfg July 17, 2015 11:51 AM  

@Jack Amok:

Never be the person who actually picks the pocket. Never take possession of the wallet. Cash is anonymous. Never take cash as payment. "Find" it "just laying about" somewhere. Maybe on the dresser.

All the underground trades follow the same basic rules to make prosecution difficult. Only the stupid and careless get convicted.

Anonymous kfg July 17, 2015 12:07 PM  

P.S. The most likely reasons to get stupid and careless are greed and lust. Control both and your odds of even getting copped go down dramatically.

Blogger luagha July 17, 2015 12:09 PM  

It's not blackmail unless Gawker made some kind of offer to keep it quiet in exchange for payment.

It's not libel if it's true.

Blogger luagha July 17, 2015 12:10 PM  

It's not blackmail unless Gawker made some kind of offer to keep it quiet in exchange for payment.

It's not libel if it's true.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 17, 2015 12:34 PM  

Banning something is not all that effective, but the couldn't people self segregate (if we really allowed that) and push out those who consumed such as well as those who provided it from their midst?

Either arguments fail when taken to the logical conclusions. Finding the middle path gets very little consideration.

Blogger David-093 July 17, 2015 12:37 PM  

I read that originally they wanted a law passed that put all porn websites under the .xxx domain. This would allow people to block porn access without making it illegal, which is probably the best option if it could ever be enforced.

Blogger bob k. mando July 17, 2015 1:05 PM  

4. D. Lane (#0067) July 17, 2015 8:39 AM
In case anyone hasn't figured it out yet, Gawker and its ilk determine the moral/ethical basis for their decisions with a coin flip.



oh no. it's far more inimical and purposeful than that.

otherwise, they would occasionally come out in favor of Coulter or Reagan or Ron Paul or somebody.

and they NEVER do.

there's very little randomness involved in this. and whatever randomness is involved, it only applies to those on the Left.



48. Nate July 17, 2015 10:14 AM
okay... someone needs some time on the feinting couch...




pffft. only a fool falls for a thrust from the feinting couch. a man of experience knows that it's always the barcalounger that you have to look out for.

barcalounger will cut a bitch.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 17, 2015 1:11 PM  

"68. VD July 17, 2015 10:56 AM
They are sending a message to someone.

At Conde Nast? What, some Mexican resort in Cancun was upset about a review?'



From wikipedia,

"...
On October 31, 2006, Condé Nast acquired the content aggregation site Reddit, which was later spun off as a wholly owned subsidiary in September 2011.
..."

I'm not saying a message is being sent. But it is one of those funny things.

So many connections, so little time to point and go hmmmm...

Blogger Student in Blue July 17, 2015 1:15 PM  

Either arguments fail when taken to the logical conclusions. Finding the middle path gets very little consideration.

Said "middle path" is not even a middle path. It's pretty much an extremist/Constitution-fundamentalist/wacko/etc position to even consider practicing freedom of association in that way, unfortunately.

And what, pray tell, is the "logical conclusion" of pointing out that trying to prevent sin via laws never seems to work, anyway? If the logical conclusion of that is inaction ("I guess it can't be helped!"), then *that* seems far more the middle path between trying to prevent sin via the state, and trying to prevent sin via the private citizen.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 17, 2015 1:24 PM  

He's just so addicted to dick he can't be bothered to take even the slightest precautions?

My impression is that the risk of getting caught becomes a necessary part of the excitement. It's like when a Hollywood star gets caught picking up a hooker on the street -- he could make a couple calls and have one delivered safely to a hotel room, but that wouldn't provide the same thrill.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 17, 2015 1:28 PM  

Take a look back. I said I'm sketchy about the idea of banning it.

Anonymous BGS July 17, 2015 1:54 PM  

Gays always get more flamboyant when in a new town they will not be staying in as there are less consequences. Married guys have limited opportunities to cheat that will not let their wives know. If Nate had some girl coming over to his place while his wife was at work, the nosy neighbor woman would tell her. If Nate went to the local 4/5 star hotel one of his wife's friends might work there. If Nate went to the local NoTell Motel people might recognize his truck there, but 500+ miles away he could party like Charlie Sheen.

What happened when black swan came out? Wasn't that a ballet movie? Am I missing something

Black Swan events are rare things that are mathematically hard to calculate/predict. Fortunes can be made or lost during them but its usually best to try to avoid/ protect from them. It kept seeming like intelligent conversations where happening.
Black swan events is a metaphor that describes an event that comes as a surprise, has a major effect, and is often inappropriately rationalized after the fact with the benefit of hindsight.
The theory was developed by Nassim Nicholas Taleb to explain:
1.The disproportionate role of high-profile, hard-to-predict, and rare events that are beyond the realm of normal expectations in history, science, finance, and technology.
2.The non-computability of the probability of the consequential rare events using scientific methods (owing to the very nature of small probabilities).
3.The psychological biases that blind people, individually and collectively, to uncertainty and to a rare event's massive role in historical affairs.

important it is for me to have a dick in my mouth and another in my ass at the same time."
Queen Reed the former mayor of Harrisburg got busted for diverting funds to his western museum"

My impression is that a lack of success with women precedes the porn usage,

What about when teachers show it to 11yos? http://www.weaselzippers.us/225416-minneapolis-private-school-teacher-takes-students-on-show-and-tell-trip-to-adult-novelty-store-for-sex-ed-lesson/

Anonymous LegallySpeaking July 17, 2015 2:21 PM  

Thanks to my profession as a criminal defense lawyer, I'm quite familiar with the prostitution business.

From my experience, cops don't like busting hookers that much. Many powerful dudes use hookers, and get angry if their favorite girls are behind bars when the dudes get horny (or worse, of course, if the powerful dude himself is outed as a john).

Also, since the internet came in, my understanding is that lots of hooking has become more discreet----most girls don't take out newspaper ads, so normal people don't see it. And also since the internet, many hookers have gone "independent" and don't have pimps or other hangers on around to cause trouble; they screen the dudes themselves over the phone and have the dude come to their hotel room/apartment. And, incidentally, many hotels and landlords don't like police busts on the business because these hookers keep these dudes afloat----one landlord I talked to as a potential witness told me he loved my client as a renter, because she always paid up on time (she'd been there for 10 years) , was quieter with her customers than most people in the building were with their various lovers. He even said if he could have more hookers in his building like her, he'd love it.

Anyway, streetwalkers are fair game for cops, since normal people can see them and it ruins neighborhoods. Immigrant brothels are also fair game, since the cops can then make a big show about "sex slavery" and trot out some bad-english-speaking korean or eastern european girl to state how the cops saved her. But most of that is b.s.; most of the girls in these places were hookers back home and are fine being hookers now in the U.S. But the feminist-puritan imperative must be appeased.

Blogger Jourdan July 17, 2015 2:41 PM  

Interesting discussion, thanks all.

On my support for banning porn, I certainly don't harbor any illusions that this would make it go away. What I meant was just re-establishment of old-fashioned obscenity law, which would just put porn back in the closet, so to speak. It would be there, but you'd have to seek it out.

Right now, it's nearly mainstream. I'm for legal prostitution and..well, you know, I guess I'm for the Dutch option: it's there, but it is kept in a certain location, both in the physical world and the online world, and one has to make some effort to get there.

Reminds me of an old Simpsons where Marge says "You know, Fox became a hardcore porn channel so gradually we hardly noticed."

Blogger Jourdan July 17, 2015 2:44 PM  

@LegallySpeaking -

Fellow attorney here, that was my take as well when I was in the private practice of law in a fairly large PacNW city. There were certain girls all the high-powered dudes knew and if the cops got on those girls' cases, people got pissed.

I've also lived in European cities where prostitution is legal, like, for example, Vienna. I think it's fine, so long as it is discreet.

Anonymous DavidKathome July 17, 2015 2:53 PM  

In fact, one of the things that is so distructive to male sexuality about porn is that it is so powerful, the imagery hits the sexuality of a man so hard, that eventually only that particular porn or sometimes that particular girl will be able to even arouse him to full erection. Sex with a normal girl, even a very pretty girl, becomes psychologically and physically impossible for the porn-addled man.

I have no doubt that porn causes moral harm. But I recall reading an article written by a guy who felt he was getting to this point, so he decided to take a week off from porn and masturbation. And lo and behold, one week later he had no trouble having sex with a woman.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 17, 2015 3:13 PM  

What about when teachers show it to 11yos? Just when I think we've hit peak depravity....

Anonymous BGS July 17, 2015 3:24 PM  

Just when I think we've hit peak depravity.... You must have missed when I posted. http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/04/29/lesbian-teacher-uses-math-class-to-indoctrinate-pre-teens-in-gay-issues-and-social-justice/

"Alicia Gunn, an elementary public school teacher in Mississauga, Ontario, told attendees at the April 10 conference in Toronto’s City Hall that injecting LGBTQ issues into the classroom, especially in math, helps students as young as nine “disrupt the single story that many of our kids have about LGBTQ families.”

"If Jenny has 3 vibrators, and her girlfriend Hannah gave her more in the amount of the lowest prime number possible, how many vibrators does Jenny have total?"

Anonymous zapbrannigan1 July 17, 2015 3:41 PM  

"barcalounger will cut a bitch."

This was hilariously funny to me for some reason.

Anonymous BGS July 17, 2015 3:50 PM  

Gawker pulled the original story.

Anonymous LegallySpeaking July 17, 2015 4:31 PM  

@Jourdan

Nice to have a fellow Saul Goodman here.

You get out of private practice? To do what? I only ask because, as I'm running my own solo, I have more freedom to be un-p.c. than if I was part of an organization, especially someone else's. As many have pointed out, starting and running your own business seems to be the safest avenue for us non-p.c.ers these days.

Blogger Anthony July 17, 2015 4:49 PM  

"They are sending a message to someone.

At Conde Nast? What, some Mexican resort in Cancun was upset about a review?"

Maybe it was the gay escort?

Blogger Student in Blue July 17, 2015 5:10 PM  

@Jourdan
What I meant was just re-establishment of old-fashioned obscenity law, which would just put porn back in the closet, so to speak. It would be there, but you'd have to seek it out.

Hm. While that is certainly different from outright banning it, I'm still on the fence. For one, it doesn't quite address the concept that porn is also a symptom, not just an addiction. That law also needs people to actually *shame* the people engaging in such things - else it'll become just another fine tacked on.

To rephrase, your proposed law addresses ease of availability, but that won't lower demand to any noticeable degree, it'll simply raise prices as easy access to supply decreases.

Is it necessarily a bad law? Perhaps it wouldn't be abused and full of loopholes in the actual implementation (and goodness knows we don't need a more complicated lawbook), but I'm simply trying to view it in terms of how much good will it really accomplish? And from what I'm seeing, it won't be that much.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 17, 2015 5:16 PM  

Gawker is such a cesspool, rotting from the inside out, that one good kick should bring the entire ugly beast crashing down. Let's do it!

Blogger Groot July 17, 2015 6:57 PM  

@Jourdan and Zaklog: You guys respond a lot differently to porn than I do.

Incidentally, I offer unsolicited advice to young guys out there assessing your marriage opportunities. Choose a gal with a libido naturally set on high. It can be tiring, sometimes, but you'll be happier, and the negotiations simplify to just showing up with a boner.

Anonymous Rhys O'Reilly July 17, 2015 8:00 PM  

My impression is that a lack of success with women precedes the porn usage, not the other way around.

Now you're showing your age. A teenage boy reaches that point he becomes curious about the opposite sex but is not ready to talk to girls so he turns to the internet and a few searches later he has seen more naked women doing more things than any of his ancestors ever did. Once you add in the convenience and the ease he can find his stimulation you should be able to see how this can mess up a developing brain.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 17, 2015 8:58 PM  

Re 111, Groot

First, congratulations on expanding your vocabulary. Second, I was not saying anything at all about my own reaction, but what I've heard from someone who has studied this a great deal. And also, unfortunately, today it is highly likely that young men will get involved with pornography before marriage is even imaginable.

Blogger Groot July 18, 2015 1:33 AM  

@113. Zaklog:

I am Groot.

Blogger bob k. mando July 18, 2015 2:54 PM  

114. Groot July 18, 2015 1:33 AM
I am Groot.



that's good. your loquaciousness and verbosity were beginning to disturb me.

i'm no longer concerned that you might be an imposter.

Blogger Groot July 20, 2015 1:18 AM  

My wife has a practice of going "k. mando" and I have no objection.

Blogger Groot July 20, 2015 1:19 AM  

My wife has a practice of going "k. mando" and I have no objection.

Blogger pbuxton July 22, 2015 8:31 PM  

The difficult thing about dealing with SJWs is one can never keep track of when one is supposed to consider the same action a) outrageous or b) meritorious

You're joking, right, Vox? The 'victim' is presumed Democrat, which is why we Two Minute Hate the accuser.

Look, I love seeing Gawker get it in the ass, but below the shiny surface, I see the same dirty game as before.

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