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Saturday, July 25, 2015

PSA: the Ctrl-X-Close fix

I've had to look this up twice in the last three months, so I figure others have probably run into this problem on occasion.
For the past couple of months I have been coping with an incredibly frustrating problem. My files in the File Open dialog box mysteriously started appearing in order of the "Last Modified" date, instead of in alphabetical order....

Here’s what you do: go into Windows Explorer and open a folder such as My Documents. Now choose View|Details. Along the top of the file listing area, you see Name, Type, Size, Modified. If you click any one of these, it will change how your files are sorted in the list.

Now here’s the part that made Windows save this sorting information everywhere. Hold down the Ctrl key and click the X in the upper right-hand corner of the Window to close it.
It works. The crazy thing about this is that Microsoft barely lets you do anything without asking for confirmation. Do you REALLY want to quit? Are you sure? Do you REALLY want to save over that file? Are you sure? But if you happen to hit a key while you're doing something else, well, OBVIOUSLY that is something that can never happen by accident and CLEARLY there is no reason to confirm this obscure, but universal settings change that will fundamentally alter how you interact with every file in every folder every time you want to open one.

Over the years, I have learned that assuming Apple is evil and Microsoft is stupid is a remarkably reliable metric in dealing with their operating systems.

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Anonymous Mike M. (vfm 315) July 25, 2015 12:07 PM  

No, Google is evil. Microsoft is both stupid and evil. Apple is merely arrogant.

Silicon Valley seems to be chock-full of James Bond villain want-to-bes.

Anonymous The other robot July 25, 2015 12:27 PM  

So has anyone figured out the key and click sequence to get the gorilla to show up?

Anonymous WillBest July 25, 2015 12:37 PM  

MSFT hasn't been evil since the DoJ ran Bill Gates out of CEO. Its been stupid since. Apple was evil, but Jobs chose his successor poorly and the company is well on its way to stupidity.

Anonymous Rolf July 25, 2015 12:45 PM  

Evil on one hand, and stupid on the other?

Sounds like a Dem versus Repub political debate as much as anything.

But, yeah, pretty much I agree. And that's based on having worked for MSFT for a decade, supporting apps on both platforms, and using many other systems as well.

Blogger Jim July 25, 2015 12:47 PM  

I wouldn't say Microsoft is evil, simply because it never tried to cast itself as anything but a corporation. Google and Apple, meanwhile, are both evil because their public faces are lies.

Anonymous #119 July 25, 2015 12:51 PM  

I just started using openSUSE recently with the KDE plasma destop. I like it so far. What is your favorite Linux falvor?

Anonymous Satan's Hamster July 25, 2015 1:00 PM  

Ha. Windows.

I haven't really used it in years, but I used to love the way that holding the shift key down would bring up a box saying 'Do you want to enable some random gibberish that means nothing to most users?' and then you'd have to go to Google to figure out how to get it out of Stupid Mode.

Oh, and the time I accidentally pressed some random key sequence that made it display text from right to left instead of left to right. Again, off to Google to figure out how to get out of that mode...

Windows seems to be full of randomly enabled options that someone, somewhere thought were a good idea in 1997 and we've been stuck with ever since. And they can't get rid of them, because they're slaves to Backward Compatibility.

I'm so glad I left it behind long ago.

Blogger Sam Hall July 25, 2015 1:07 PM  

Yes, Microsoft is stupid but even worse, they think their users are far more stupid.

OpenID xsyq July 25, 2015 1:07 PM  

I just wish there was a comprehensive list of all Windows shortcuts around somewhere, things like pressing Ctrl-Shift-Esc to bring up the Task Manager directly instead of Ctrl-Alt-Delete or the sorting save mentioned here. There are a few good lists, but I keep finding new commands that aren't listed.

Blogger Jim July 25, 2015 1:32 PM  

I always thought that Larry Ellison would be a good Bond villain.

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 1:37 PM  

Microsoft seems hell-bent on making itself obsolete. Every "improvement" they make to their O/S or to Office sends users running to Apple (I mean, if you have to completely re-learn everything, why not just switch to Apple), and it gives long-time technical users more reasons to try Linux.

Also, Windows 8 makes me want to punch things.

WATYF

Blogger Steveo #238 July 25, 2015 1:42 PM  

@11 Windows 8 is such pure garbage, everyone that got it is due a personal letter of apology from B. Gates hisownself.

Blogger dlw July 25, 2015 1:46 PM  

While there are times when I wonder whether the designers of KDE had had a little too much paraquat in their weed, any interaction with Windows quickly reminds me of why I went to something with a saner user interface...

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 1:48 PM  

Microsoft is only stupid in the sense that they don't put mittens on their users. The more variables, the more things you can unintentionally fuck up. I honestly think Windows has been moving in a very good direction lately. Does anybody remember how often everything pre-Windows 7 crashed? My Windows 8.1 computer generally does what I want it too without a lot of hassles. Is it really that hard to download Classis Shell?

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 2:00 PM  

I really hate to break it to you guys, but if you don't think the current Windows is a gigantic leap beyond Windows XP, I question your functional, historic, working knowledge, et al, of actual real world applications of Windows. The current iterations of Windows are than the older versions .I seriously doubt that you know what the fuck you are talking about. I almost suspect Vox of running some kind of sociological test on his commenters. I used to have to restart Windows XP 12 times a day. Now, with Windows 8l I never restart my computer. Windows works now. Meanwhile, if I try t use a Mac I feel like someone has put a straight jacket on me and I have 45 minutes to figure out how to make this computer made for baby hands do what I want it to do before my Total Recall collar explodes.

Anonymous Rolf July 25, 2015 2:03 PM  

@14 - disagree. I like being able to actually know where the heck something is, and what's going on. I don't want it all hidden and working like magic, because that means when it invariably breaks, there is no logical way to fix it w/o calling up the shaman. I like knowing that when I delete a file I am actually deleting it and not just one of many copies or links to the original or whatever. I want to know if something is on this physical drive or that, and not the cloud. Quite simply, I do not trust ANY company (or government) to make the decision of what I really want to do, or not do, for me. Apple assumes I'm an idiot; I'm not, I may just have different goals and missions than they assume I have. Allowing them to decide things for me is a one-way trip into slavery and subjugation. And windows is headed that way. Win7 is OK, Win8 a no-go zone, don't know enough about Win10 to decide yet, but it may be what drives me back to Unix.

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 2:05 PM  

@14 Is it really that hard to download Classis Shell?

...and 7 Taskbar Tweaker, and a .NET docking toolbar app I had to write myself, since they brilliantly decided to remove that feature entirely from Windows.

It's not just the stuff you have to install to make Windows do what it's always done, it's the stuff that you simply can't do any more. Take advanced management of wireless networks, for example. Easy to do in Windows 7. Literally non-existent in Windows 8. The interface doesn't even exist any more. You have to use the damn command line.

I don't care at all about them making their O/S harder to fuck up. That's great. Lock down the registry, remove the variables.... all fine. But don't take an interface that works great and has worked great for years (and which everyone is familiar with) and just arbitrarily change it to something that's less powerful and/or less efficient (or, even worse, remove it entirely).

And don't even get me started on Office.

WATYF

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 2:06 PM  

Fuck, I just realized while typing that I am entirely too drunk to be defending Windows right now. I gracefully bow out. Starting an OS war was a bad decision right now. I feel really sleepy. Please continue on. Nothing to see here.

Anonymous Rolf July 25, 2015 2:10 PM  

@17 - preach it, brother! can I have an Amen?

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 2:11 PM  

I really hate to break it to you guys, but if you don't think the current Windows is a gigantic leap beyond Windows XP, I question your functional, historic, working knowledge, et al, of actual real world applications of Windows.

You can question it all you want, you'll still be wrong.

You have to define your metrics here. Is the question, "Is this less likely to crash" or is the question, "Is this less powerful and less efficient".

Yes, Windows 8 is more stable out of the box (I'd argue that my heavily tweaked installs of XP were just as stable, seeing how I used to disable about 70% of the O/S, but I digress). The thing is, if "more stable" was the only thing I was looking for in an O/S, I'd be gushing all over it. But "more stable" isn't the only thing I'm looking for in an O/S. I'm also looking for functionality, efficiency, flexibility, power, and precise control. All things which I can get more of from an O/S that's 15 years old.

WATYF

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 2:15 PM  

The network protocol did get a little fucked up though. I was trying to network my Windows 7 laptop, Windows 8.1 tablet, and Windows XP desktop a few months ago and it was a big unnecessarily hairy nightmare. Overall, though, hasn't Windows made an astounding leap in stability? It's kind of faggoty that we haven't given them the tip of the hat for keeping their operating system so open in terms of user configurability options and managed to keep the roof from caving in. The shit just works now. Better than it did when I was a kid. Who am I to complain?

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 2:15 PM  

@16 Exactly.

I will tell you where I want to store my files. And when I want to access them, I'll open the damn folder up and get them myself. I don't need some O/S to decide where and how to store what and keep it all a mystery from me. Needless to say, the first thing I do on my Windows 7 installs is disable all the "Libraries" and "Favorites" folder crap.

WATYF

Anonymous LegallySpeaking July 25, 2015 2:17 PM  

I think the problem with Microsoft is not so much the system as the selling of the system.

Apple/Jobs did great work in advertising their products and making them simple to understand. Windows isn't as simple, but the least Microsoft could have done is sell it to the public in commercials as to how to use.

I only recently figured out how to use the start screen on my Windows 8---after having it since 2012. The reason? Pure laziness: like most people, the difference between Windows 8 and previous versions was so great, I got frustrated at the perceived learning curve, and just ignored the start screen, putting all my shortcuts on desktop.

Had Microsoft simplified it and then made commercials to show me how to use it, I probably wouldn't have made my life so much more complicated. But Microsoft overloaded my senses with its new look and new features, and I rejected it for the old style.

OpenID xsyq July 25, 2015 2:20 PM  

@16 It's like Star Trek, every other Windows is absolutely terrible. Hopefully the pattern holds true and Windows 10 is at least fairly good.

Also agree with the accessibility point, Windows always seems to occupy the sweet spot between the "most functionality is hidden because we don't trust you with it" of Apple and the "hope you know how to configure everything cause you'll need to when stuff breaks" of Linux.

Anonymous The other robot July 25, 2015 2:20 PM  

You realize that Microsoft has jumped the shark when they had to tunnel SCSI in the SMB protocol. Of course, there is a long history of tunneling SCSI in other protocols, including NDMP ...

Anonymous DT July 25, 2015 2:25 PM  

Mike M. @1 No, Google is evil. Microsoft is both stupid and evil. Apple is merely arrogant.

This. I'll never understand the hatred Vox has for Apple.

It's an open secret that Microsoft has worked with Federal agencies to provide broad access to customer data. Meanwhile Apple's full phone and full disk encryption sent the FBI scurrying to Congress begging for a law to stop IT companies from doing things like that.

Which one is evil again?

Apple is liberal la-la land but so is every other company in the valley. I can't imagine that sets them apart as especially evil.

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 2:26 PM  

Also agree with the accessibility point, Windows always seems to occupy the sweet spot between the "most functionality is hidden because we don't trust you with it" of Apple and the "hope you know how to configure everything cause you'll need to when stuff breaks" of Linux.

I think you meant "seemed to" (past tense).

I have been a loyal Windows supporter for years for precisely this reason. They weren't as "Fischer-Price dumbed-down" as Apple, but also not as "insanely complex that you need a Master's Degree" as Linux. They gave me features and ease but ALSO power and control.

But now they're going the way of Apple. Hiding everything behind-the-scenes, removing customizable features, making the interface dumbed-down and cartoony, trying to corral everyone into doing everything the same way (which is usually a way that's less efficient).

If someone I know says they're switching to Apple, I can't even think up reasons for them not to any more. They're probably just as well of with either these days.

WATYF

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 2:29 PM  

The important thing to remember is that you only root for the players who are playing. Not the ones you wish you were there or the ones whom you imagined you wished in your dreams. Real people wasted their precious time on this earth leaving a legacy of code, and then a younger generation comes in and tries to make it more efficient. Either it works or it doesn't. At this point in history I see Apple as cotton farmers. Breed the cotton, make the cotton, pick the cotton, it's all generic smoothed over shit.. Which is fine for a certain subset of people. That is what most base level affluent people want. And then there are the types who want to take their computer, run it through it's paces, and turn it upside-down, because he wants to be able to rely on this fucking thing.

Blogger James Dixon July 25, 2015 2:37 PM  

> Over the years, I have learned that assuming Apple is evil and Microsoft is stupid is a remarkably reliable metric in dealing with their operating systems.

So what does that make Linux?

> Sounds like a Dem versus Repub political debate as much as anything.

Well, you'll notice that all the SJW's are Apple fanatics, and most of the Microsoft supporters in the DoJ suit were status quo republicans.

> What is your favorite Linux falvor?

Slackware, of course. :)

> Also, Windows 8 makes me want to punch things.

You're not alone in that regard, believe me.

> Does anybody remember how often everything pre-Windows 7 crashed?

Nope. I haven't had Windows crash consistently since the Win98/ME days. The NT line (Windows NT through Windws 10) is actually pretty stable. Linux is even better, of course.

> Is it really that hard to download Classis Shell?

For most people? Yes.

> I used to have to restart Windows XP 12 times a day. Now, with Windows 8l I never restart my computer.

What programs did you run on your XP machine and what programs are you running now? I suspect you'll find little overlap. However, I'll grant that Windows 8 is, based on the testimony of people I trust, actually more stable and faster than Windows 7 for the things that really matter. It's the user interface that people can't stand.

> Overall, though, hasn't Windows made an astounding leap in stability?

No. It's an incremental improvement, but nothing spectacular. If you want stability, use Linux.

Blogger Steveo #238 July 25, 2015 2:40 PM  

Here's the drill, there's a reason companies ain't moving off of Win7 Pro. I'm buying refurb machines for small business apps for not much more than Win7Pro license ON IT and loving life. But hey, prolly don't know nothing about it.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 2:54 PM  

I've always been primarily an audio based content producer, and trying to switch to LINUX for audio was a a gigantic waste of time. Windows has always been the place to go in terms of producing audio.

OpenID xsyq July 25, 2015 2:58 PM  

@27
I've heard from other people about reduced functionality going from XP to 7 (disregarding Vista and 8 under the "every other Windows is shit" rule) but I'm not exactly a power user so I can't say I've noticed any losses.

Unfortunately I only expect Windows to get worse as time goes by. After talking to friends who were highly placed in Microsoft before they left a few years back it's pretty clear that the SJW invasion is in full swing. Political correctness galore. Hopefully the failure of Windows 8 and the subsequent firings freed up enough talent to make Windows 10 good, but I won't be surprised if it bombs.

Anonymous DT July 25, 2015 3:00 PM  

@15 Meanwhile, if I try t use a Mac I feel like someone has put a straight jacket on me and I have 45 minutes to figure out how to make this computer made for baby hands do what I want it to do before my Total Recall collar explodes.

You felt lost on a system you didn't know and that means it was made for baby hands?

This was a ridiculous meme when the first Macintosh came out. (It's easy so it must be a toy; DOS is more difficult so it must be professional. Never mind that one was a 32-bit system with a rich set of APIs and sophisticated media handling and the other was DOS.)

It was an even more ridiculous meme as Mac OS and Windows evolved. (System 7 had an insane number of features and customizations. Windows 3.1 was like its deformed, retarded little brother that could say "Imma gooey too!" and not much else.)

And it's a mind numbingly stupid meme now that Mac OS is actually NeXTSTEP, a UNIX OS whose original goal was to have the best dev tools available to help researchers rapidly prototype and deploy software. If you had told someone back in the day that NeXTSTEP was made for baby hands you probably would have been slapped across the face. Twice.

There are legitimate complaints about any OS out there including OS X. Claiming OS X is a toy just shows you never bothered to learn the first thing about it. It's every bit as annoying as a Mac fan refusing to learn anything about Windows then crying "it's sooo hard!" when faced with a Windows PC.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 3:06 PM  

Do you know what it it is? I Never upgraded from XP to 7. I skipped straight to 8 and 8.1 I missed out on the whole XP to 7 thing entirely. I was mostly unemployed that year.

Anonymous A Visitor July 25, 2015 3:19 PM  

Having driven Macs since 93 and System 7.1 and used PCs in school and having one in undergrad, I think there is one constant: the programmers who write the latest iterations write them for people who have the mental age of 5. I remember the first time in XP I tried to access the C drive. I got some bs warning about how tampering with the files could cause my system to stop working and that maybe I may want to stop doing that.

Seriously?? Holy ****! Now let me into my **** local drive!

It took me a while to migrate to OS X, 2008 when I finally got my first Mac in over a decade (first Mac to run an Intel chipset too; don't get me started). It was ok. I personally thought putting Darwin beneath the hood was a dumb decision but slowly grew to love the Terminal application. Then, we get Yosemite...connectivity on the wireless network sucks (granted, it was finicky because of the router in previous OS X iterations but never this bad), the GUI looks like it was drawn by a seven year old, and Apple is moving towards tablets and phones.

A relative of mine is fond of saying that DVDs are obsolete and that everything is moving to "the cloud." Given all the hacks of celebrity nude photos and the like, I'll keep a local backed up copy thank you very much. Furthermore, what happens when the Internet goes down? I remember my senior year of undergrad a snowstorm knocked out the ISP's connectivity despite a) being in a damn city where you have snow as a part of the year and b) (pretty sure on this one) not being BPL (Broadband over Power Lines).

Taking all the resource and data forks out of your applications and making ResEdit obsolete...good @#$!ing call !

Blogger Doom July 25, 2015 3:34 PM  

I didn't know about that particular problem, but I seem to have figured out the solution accidentally. Every once in a while I look through files with the various filters just because, then put them back the way I generally prefer. Funny how that works out. Stupid? I think you give them far too much credit, and too little. And there is evil, it... just isn't greatly successful due to it's main failing.

Blogger R Beisert July 25, 2015 3:42 PM  

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Anonymous DT July 25, 2015 3:44 PM  

@35 - agree 100% on the cloud. More and more I read about failures or security breaches and think "that was NEVER supposed to be in the cloud you #!%$& idiot!"

Re: the new "flat" look in the OS X GUI - everyone is moving to this in software and web themes. Microsoft actually beat Apple to the punch here. I'm not crazy about it, but I don't hate it after using it for a while. I don't know how long it will last but it is the trend right now in user interface design, so I can't blame Apple for implementing it.

Taking all the resource and data forks out of your applications and making ResEdit obsolete...good @#$!ing call !

At the time, yes. But when it was created it was brilliant. It meant that apps could be bound into a single file and installed/uninstalled via drag and drop. (Something Apple thankfully has preserved via packages.)

From a programming perspective it made it easy to store/manage/retrieve disparate data types relevant to application development. Uniform data type encoding; code reuse; and a simple method of efficient memory management before VM was available.

It's obsolete now, replaced by better things. But back in the day it was awesome.

Blogger R Beisert July 25, 2015 3:45 PM  

@29 "What does that make Linux?"

A bunch of people trying to make their computers work for them :). As a programmer, I can't begin to express how much harder it is for me to draft C code in Windows or Mac X than Linux.

Also, if you use something like Lubuntu, you can make an outdated computer faster than a new Windows machine.

Here endeth my Linux sermon.

EDIT: Had used a HTML tag to wink at my Linux obsession, but it was edited out by the comment system. Kind of neat how that works.

Blogger Groot July 25, 2015 3:52 PM  

18. Andrew Spooner Jr.
"Fuck, I just realized while typing that I am entirely too drunk"

It happens. Now, while he sleeps it off and suffers through the consequences, I bring you a selection of his great-grandfather's (William Archibald Spooner's) quotes:

"Kinkering Congs Their Titles Take" (Conquering kings)
"The sale of two titties" (The tale of two cities)
"The Lord is a shoving leopard" (Loving shepherd)
"Let us glaze our arses to the queer old Dean" (raise our glasses to the dear old queen)

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 4:09 PM  

Indeed.

Blogger James Dixon July 25, 2015 4:11 PM  

> I've always been primarily an audio based content producer, and trying to switch to LINUX for audio was a a gigantic waste of time.

In general, yes. There are some significant problems with audio under Linux. However, there are distributions tailored for that purpose. You should take a look at them before writing Linux off completely. See http://libremusicproduction.com/articles/advantages-choosing-audio-orientated-linux-distribution and http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/distributions for some basic info.

Anonymous WillBest July 25, 2015 4:20 PM  

@10 Larry Ellison is my favorite billionaire. He did sign that billionaire pledge to give away half his fortune to foundations which will be corrupted by leftists in a generation (apparently they can never have enough), but in the mean time he seems content to just buy a bunch of homes, knock them over and build what he really wants on the land so that he can really enjoy himself in that location should he ever decide to go back there rather than this change the world nonsense that Buffett, Gates, and others are trying to do.

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 4:23 PM  

@31 Windows has always been the place to go in terms of producing audio.

Unless you're using Pro-Tools, in which case just use Apple. It'll save a lot of headaches. I know this from experience.

WATYF

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 4:32 PM  

@35 A relative of mine is fond of saying that DVDs are obsolete and that everything is moving to "the cloud."

I have never understood the propensity for keeping everything in "the cloud" (by which people who don't know any better really just mean "the internet"). As you mentioned, what if your internet goes down? You're literally screwed. And you're also assuming that the people storing all of your files will 1) be just as concerned about your backups as you are and 2) be around as long as you will.

WATYF

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 4:38 PM  

@38 Re: the new "flat" look in the OS X GUI - everyone is moving to this in software and web themes. Microsoft actually beat Apple to the punch here. I'm not crazy about it, but I don't hate it after using it for a while.

The new look of Office 2013 makes me want to scratch my eyes out. I literally laughed the first time I saw an install.

I still use Office 2003 on my main work machine and I won't be switching to a newer version until I'm forced to. The Ribbon can suck it.

WATYF

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 4:40 PM  

I've been in and out of the college audio studio programs for years now. Pro-Tools is mostly time consuming garbage. Give me FL Studio any day of the week.

OpenID simplytimothy July 25, 2015 4:48 PM  

True story. I had Emacs open and a Windows boss wanted to know how to accomplish a specific task. I said, "With your left hand ctl-alt-shfit-W and your right hand 'right arrow-backspace-P and now use your nose to hit the space-bar" He started to lower his head before he caught on.

(snickers)

Blogger Groot July 25, 2015 4:58 PM  

33. DT
"when the first Macintosh came out. (It's easy so it must be a toy"

It was easy, and glorious, but it was a toy. The first Macintosh had an eighth of a MB of RAM and no hard drive.

Anonymous DT July 25, 2015 4:59 PM  

@46 The Ribbon can suck it.

I hate the ribbon with a passion. It is an idiotic interface element for a number of reasons. One of the best arguments for OS X is that if you have to use MS Office the OS X versions still have their menus.

Anonymous DT July 25, 2015 5:10 PM  

@49 It was easy, and glorious, but it was a toy. The first Macintosh had an eighth of a MB of RAM and no hard drive.

LOL! OK, I might have to agree with you until the Mac Plus was released.

Blogger WATYF #0222 July 25, 2015 5:42 PM  

@47 Pro-Tools is mostly time consuming garbage

Or the industry-standard audio interface. You know... whichever.

I've used a bunch of audio software, and Pro-Tools is one of the best (in terms of interface). It just doesn't play nice with PCs.

WATYF

Blogger Doc Rampage July 25, 2015 5:58 PM  

I blame it all on the rise of the professional UI programmer. Back when generic software engineers used to do UIs, they cared about things like a consistent user experience within a release, a consistent user experience across releases, quick learning curves, effective usability for both beginners and experts. Things like that. Professional UI experts care for things like "will it make high schoolers go 'ooh' and 'ah'", "will it get lots of press saying how beautiful it is", "will my manager see a lot of differences and think I did a lot of work", "does it follow the latest research results from UI journals", "is it buzz word compliant". The result is a technology space that is rapidly becoming worse every year. It can't go on (I hope) because some day it will be so bad that an entrepreneur will come up with a new "stark business interface" that looks a lot like Windows 95 and become a billionaire by marketing it as "for serious users, not high school kids".

Blogger Cail Corishev July 25, 2015 6:11 PM  

The current iterations of Windows are than the older versions

Well said! They are indeed. (You said later that you were drunk, so excused. Kinda wishing I was too.)

By the way, "Macs suck too" is not actually an argument in favor of Windows.

Once upon a time, Microsoft had a decent little PC operating system. (Mostly stolen, but never mind.) They slapped a GUI on it, similar to what others were doing, and people could play games, edit documents, and do the stuff most people want to do with a computer. When I had a Commodore 128 and my friend got a PS/2 with VGA graphics running DOS, I was duly impressed by the games he could run.

But they tried to make it a server OS too, which it was never really up to (though plenty of corporate managers got suckered into using NT where they should have had Unix), and that always made the desktop versions unnecessarily complex. And now they're trying to make it a phone OS too. It's stupid.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 25, 2015 6:16 PM  

If you had told someone back in the day that NeXTSTEP was made for baby hands you probably would have been slapped across the face.

If you told me that while I was trying to compile software on it (start with the #defines for BSD4.3, and tweak from there), you'd have gotten more than slapped.

Cool system, though. Always impressed visitors who came into the office, with the sleek black hardware and the huge (for the time) monitor. I still use Window Maker as my window manager, which is very similar to the NeXT's desktop. Every once in a while I try something newer, but always end up going back to WM.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 July 25, 2015 6:28 PM  

I'm pretty sure this has been a feature since at least Windows 95, maybe even 3.1.

Anonymous Ain July 25, 2015 7:01 PM  

@54 "And now they're trying to make it a phone OS too."

This is insane. Phone UIs belong on phones. Without exception, any time a PC app goes this route the interface ends up being shit.

Blogger Groot July 25, 2015 7:22 PM  

It's just a cargo cult at Microsoft now, since the anti-trust suit removed Gates' testicles and he went off to become a cat-lady in Africa. The testicle they left to run the place (Ballmer) was a disaster. They just keep laying down those fake runways and hoping the planes will return.

Blogger James Dixon July 25, 2015 7:26 PM  

> And you're also assuming that the people storing all of your files will 1) be just as concerned about your backups as you are and 2) be around as long as you will.

And that doesn't even get started on security. :(

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. July 25, 2015 7:40 PM  

I think the disconnect here is probably between those who use Windows as Servers and those who use them as individual clients. If you've ever had to set up a network between XP and post Windows 7, yes, it's a fucking nightmare, but, for the more audio/visual media producer, XP crashed a lot, 7+ doesn't. Get classic shell and you're fine.

Blogger Groot July 25, 2015 11:50 PM  

It's the disconnect from their own customers by enabling the NSA to circumvent their encryption.

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