Thursday, July 30, 2015

Rabid Puppies: don't forget to vote

If you are, for any reason at all, interested in perusing my 2015 Hugo ballot, which I have already cast, you are certainly welcome to review it. If you are registered with Sasquan, you can vote at the link here.

As I told the lady from the publication covering the developing story to whom I spoke last night, whatever happens, we have already won. No Award was the original objective for Rabid Puppies, and with the exception of Best Novel, that is now the worst case scenario for us. The best case scenario is that we publicly break the perceived power of the science fiction SJWs and demonstrate their impotence by denying them the ability to do what we originally sought while seeing the awards go to various meritorious works and individuals.

Which, of course, was the Sad Puppies goal. It's more than a bit ironic that the SJWs rushed to do the Rabid Puppies' bidding in order to teach the Sad Puppies a lesson, but then, no one ever said they were smart.

The Sad Puppies' victory condition may be unlikely, but it is still in play. We simply don't know how all the 5,599 supporting members are going to vote and neither does anyone else. There are nearly as many new supporting members as there were total votes last year. Loncon had 10,826 members, of whom 2,882 were supporting, and 3,587 cast Hugo votes. Consider, for example, the reaction of one neutral reader to the various nominees:
I read the Best Novel nominees (and Ancillary Justice), the Best Novella nominees, the Best Novelette nominees, the Best Short Story nominees, the Best Graphic Story nominees (and Saga vols. 1 and 2), and every story by a Campbell nominee I could get a hold of (the only works I had read before the nominations were announced were Ancillary Justice, The Lives of Tao, and Rat Queens vol. 1). The oft-maligned Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies nominees held up well against the non-Puppy nominees, with the large caveat that four of the six categories were dominated by Puppy nominees and one was dominated by non-Puppy nominees.

After reading all that, what do I think? First, I was somewhat surprised to learn that, for those six categories, the average rankings I gave the books were almost identical. My average ranking for the works not on a Puppy slate was 2.8, my average ranking for the Sad Puppy works was 3.0, and my average ranking for the Rabid Puppy works was 3.2. I wasn’t blown away by the Puppy nominees, but I wasn’t blown away by the non-Puppy nominees either. I would have more sympathy for anti-puppies if better works were being nominated.
But regardless of what happens, the fact remains that the Puppies howled and the world of science fiction will never be the same again. The cultural war in science fiction isn't over, in fact, it has barely begun in earnest. They thought they'd won, but we hadn't even begun to take the field.

And it's necessary. I read The Year's Best Science Fiction #18, edited by David Hartwell and published by Tor Books. (Never fear, I respected the boycott, and believe me, with a few exceptions, this was research, not pleasure.) I'll post my analysis here in a few days, but I can assure you, many of the "best" stories were outright Pink SF message fiction. We have accomplished far more than anyone expected already, but a long march through the SF institutions remains ahead of us.

My hope is that Tor Books will one day follow Gawker's lead in publicly announcing that they have learned the error of their ways, and force its SJWs to abandon their objective of thought-policing science fiction and fantasy while enforcing diversity of identity and uniformity of ideology.

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Blogger HickoryHammer July 30, 2015 8:04 AM  

The thought of a long march through all the lies, haters, and traitors makes me smile. Time to VOTE!

Anonymous Steve July 30, 2015 8:23 AM  

I have voted.

Vox - whatever happens, this campaign has been a blast. Thank you for the opportunity to play my own vile and faceless part in it.

Blogger Cyr#0052 July 30, 2015 8:31 AM  

Finished voting last week. Looking forward to the results in 2015.

Blogger Jack Aubrey July 30, 2015 8:34 AM  

There is a scene in Kingsman: The Secret Service where the good guys activate the bad guys' implanted chips and all of their heads explode (with Pomp and Circumstance playing in the background).

My first thought on seeing this was "that will be the Hugo banquet scene if Vox wins one of the editor awards."

Looking forward to life imitating art.

Blogger Salt July 30, 2015 8:46 AM  

All done. #0008 has voted.

Anonymous #250 July 30, 2015 8:53 AM  

Done. It's been a pleasure!

Blogger Alexander July 30, 2015 8:53 AM  

Torling 1: Consensus-leader, the Puppies retreat from the warren! All is well!

Torling 2: Yes, we have defeated the unspeakable one, if I could uncower for a moment no doubt I would see only his back as he crosses the horizon.

Torling 3: Well, yes. But they took our gold, and silver, and bolts of cloth, and bronze tripods, and wineskins. They left all of our women though...

Torling 1: Irrelevant.

Torling 2: Hate speech!

Torling 3: And they laughed while we burned our own stores, and with throaty roars they did swear to return to our shores a year hence.

Consensus-Leader: Enough. The war was won! Torling 3, you are found guilty of violating the consensus.

Anonymous Clint 47/73 July 30, 2015 8:55 AM  

I am really interested in how this all turns out. Seriously, only something like this would make me pony up $40 to vote for the awards. I have never had the slightest inclination to do anything of the sort, but now that there is a rallying point, it was totally worth it. I can't wait for next year.

Blogger Thucydides July 30, 2015 8:57 AM  

I have to second the neutral reader. I recently started reading John C Wright (I respected the boycott and borrowed the book from the library) and it is far beyond anything I have ever seen from Tor in the last ten years or so. My other SF purchases from other publishing houses are also well beyond what Tor has been flogging in terms of quality and entertainment value; one can only wonder how Tor has been staying in business for so long.

I will offer my apologies to Mr Wright; while I am now a fan of yours, I will have to scour used book stores or used books sites to get my fix, so cannot offer you the financial rewards that are your due. You can be sure the situation will be rectified once you change publishers.

Blogger Shimshon July 30, 2015 9:03 AM  

We should take bets on how many days before the awards are announced that the wailing and gnashing of teeth starts. Not me this time.

Anonymous Stingray July 30, 2015 9:05 AM  


Go to Castalia House.

Anonymous Viidad July 30, 2015 9:10 AM  

VFM0156 has voted.

Blogger Nate July 30, 2015 9:20 AM  

of all the idiocy spread by the warren... my favorite is the notion that the Pups are trying to steal the awards to legitimize the works.

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2015 9:22 AM  

I've submitted about 2/3 of my ballot. Still crashing to finish a few.

Blogger Brenden July 30, 2015 9:23 AM  

I've cast my votes, which are coincidentally identical to Vox's. What are the chances?

Blogger Unknown July 30, 2015 9:27 AM  

11. Stingray July 30, 2015 9:05 AM
Go to Castalia House.

while buying from Castalia is good, going to Wright's place and using the tip jar is what is best ( in life ).

tip jar is in the left sidebar below the notice on commenting policy.

Blogger Elocutioner July 30, 2015 9:27 AM  

In order for CHORFs to flourish, all that is required is for Rabid Puppies to not vote.

Don't be that guy.

Blogger Elocutioner July 30, 2015 9:34 AM  

@7 Alexander
Torling 3, you are found guilty of violating the consensus.

No doubt translated from CHORFspeak for clarity. The original would contain copious amounts of badfeelz and passive aggressive outgrouping to secure the consensus of the warren before rendering a verdict. Thanks for that.

Blogger JDC July 30, 2015 9:37 AM  

8581 has voted and somehow I don't even care...I will however take pleasure when the crocodile tears start to flow.

Anonymous VFM 0264 July 30, 2015 9:49 AM  

Voted! And I had a great time doing it. I was one of those that had no idea you could buy a supporting membership and actually participate in the vote. I got to read all kinds of works that I would have overlooked if they hadn't been on the Hugo list, and they were some of the best reads I've had in a while. Best $40 I've spent in a while!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 30, 2015 10:08 AM  

Voted as I damn well felt like it which was remarkably like Vox's ballot

Blogger Salt July 30, 2015 10:14 AM  

my favorite is the notion that the Pups are trying to steal the awards to legitimize the works

The warren has been stealing the vote for years to legitimize themselves.

Blogger Redd July 30, 2015 10:26 AM  

VFM bot #188, obedient to its orders, has voted.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 30, 2015 10:28 AM  

Did they ever stop? Or do you mean with renewed vigor?

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2015 10:30 AM  

How can we be sure that they won't be tampered with? 360 has voted.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 30, 2015 10:32 AM  

I find it crazy how they are trying to be victims, when they started this entire thing with the ILoH. The fact that he decided to fight back has sent them into a multi year reality check, and they can't handle it.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 30, 2015 10:35 AM  

Even if they lose miserably, I'm thinking they are going to somehow claim it as a victory.

Blogger Redd July 30, 2015 10:37 AM  

I'm with Clint @#8 and VFM @#20. Most fun tormenting SJW idiots that I've had in years. MORE POPCORN! other thing: After the results are out, how about a discussion about those who pulled their nominations because Vox. That would be include Marko Kloos and Annie Bennet as well as Connie Willis (who refused an invite to hand out the awards). I see such actions as a combination of cowardice and stupidity. I find both characteristics ugly and highly objectionable. Others may differ.

Anonymous Kreuter July 30, 2015 10:40 AM  

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Blogger JDC July 30, 2015 10:44 AM  

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Anonymous The other robot July 30, 2015 10:45 AM  

I voted, and I hope that it leads to much wailing and rending of clothes in the SJW and Pink SF camp.

We shall see.

I will be participating again next year!

Anonymous Michael Maier July 30, 2015 10:46 AM  

Stupid troll is stupid.

Blogger Elocutioner July 30, 2015 10:55 AM  

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Blogger Elocutioner July 30, 2015 10:56 AM  

@31 the other robot
I hope that it leads to much wailing and rending of clothes in the SJW and Pink SF camp

Good God, man, have you not seen their pictures!!?

Blogger Mom July 30, 2015 10:56 AM  

I have voted. Since I am not a movie or TV fan (and am also an old lady) I did not vote in those categories. Had not seen any of them. The best thing for me has been finding JCW and Vox as authors. I had given up on fantasy a long time ago. Further, had never been into SF before. I read everything and enjoyed most of it. New book horizons! Huzzah.

Blogger Sam vfm #111 July 30, 2015 11:05 AM  

Voted and win, lose or draw, I will be back next year.

VFM #0111

Blogger Alexander July 30, 2015 11:07 AM  

Good God, man, have you not seen their pictures!!?

Yeah. If the sight of naked pinks is the result of victory, I have a sense of how Pyrrhus felt.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 30, 2015 11:21 AM  

Alexander @37 They get naked at the drop of a hat anyway. And if nobody drops the hat they will. It's the makeup and dyed hair on men that get's me. What kind of man makes himself look like the painted lady at the carnival? Excepting Halloween of course.

Blogger Daniel July 30, 2015 11:21 AM  

The SJWs already lost the Hugos. Their settlement is to show how much they hated the Hugos by destroying them now. I hope No Award is as cathartic for them as it is humorous for me.

Hey! That guy stole my car for a joyride and then parked it in my garage! I'll show him. I WILL BURN MY HOUSE TO THE GROUND AND THEN WILL THE DEED TO HIM!

Anonymous wEz July 30, 2015 11:31 AM  

I thought that movie was trash. The trailer was beyond misleading as it gave the impression of a light-hearted family action movie, when in reality it was smug, snarky, arrogant nonsense filled with needless cursing and a convoluted plot. The church scene was thrown in was an atheists wet dream based on making a universal false equivocation for those of faith.

Blogger Nate July 30, 2015 11:36 AM  

"I didn't vote for any Rabid or Puppy nominees because they are all pretty mediocre."

virtually everything to win the award in the last 10 years is mediocre... or outright horrible.

Blogger Unknown July 30, 2015 11:42 AM  

41. Nate July 30, 2015 11:36 AM
virtually everything to win the award in the last 10 years is mediocre... or outright horrible.

not true Nate, not true.

they almost universally and exquisitely advanced the themes of Social Justice.

Anonymous Minion #0172 July 30, 2015 11:45 AM  

Voted, and shocked and awed that my ballot looked just like the Supreme Dark Lord's!

Anonymous Kreuter July 30, 2015 11:51 AM  

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Anonymous Gecko July 30, 2015 11:56 AM  

Thanks for the recommendations, Vox. I know it's questionable to define The Lego Movie as science fiction, but I still have to rank it higher. As a shameless Lego fan, it was just too much fun.

Anonymous Viidad July 30, 2015 11:56 AM  

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Anonymous REG July 30, 2015 11:57 AM  

while buying from Castalia is good, going to Wright's place and using the tip jar is what is best ( in life )."

Some Mr. Wright's best work is on Tor, so buy used and follow Bob's advice and use the tip jar to help him directly.

I Bought about five of Sarah Holt's books from Better World Books for three-ninety eight and put ten bucks in the tip box two months in a row. Then when she had a damaged roof, tossed in fifty. Not a brag- what I mean is that we all give to charity, but, since I knew the person in distress, it became personal. That's the side benefit of tipping the author, people become personal.

Anonymous Viidad July 30, 2015 11:58 AM  


Are you reeking of gin 'cause you got no chili?

Blogger Nate July 30, 2015 12:02 PM  

"Well, since you say must be true."

no... its not true because I say it. Its true because its verifiable. This year's noms were rated significantly higher than the nominations of the previous several years. Vox and others have blogged extensively on this.

but hey..

Maybe you really do think Queers Dig Timelords is great stuff.

Blogger James Dixon July 30, 2015 12:03 PM  

> Well, since you say must be true.

It's a popularity contest, Kreuter. Whoever gets the most votes wins. That's all it ever has been. You like something, you vote for it. We like something, we vote for it. Nothing makes your vote any more valid than ours unless yours wins.

Blogger Calvin Dodge July 30, 2015 12:22 PM  


"The Water That Magically Falls On Everyone Who Lies, So You Might As Well Out Yourself To Your Family"

Blogger Calvin Dodge July 30, 2015 12:23 PM  


"Ancillary Gender Gimmick"

Blogger RobertT July 30, 2015 12:24 PM  

If you look hard enough you'll find a champion for every stupid idea.

Blogger RobertT July 30, 2015 12:24 PM  

If you look hard enough you'll find a champion for every stupid idea.

Blogger Calvin Dodge July 30, 2015 12:29 PM  


"TruFen Dig Fluff From The Usual Suspects"

Anonymous Valiant July 30, 2015 12:34 PM  

I logged in and saved my ballot again. just in case. I now have an emailed confirmation of my cast ballot.

Rabid Puppy for the win.

Anonymous Curious July 30, 2015 12:34 PM  

Is it 4GW assault when so many of the Left's sacred institutions are under attack at the same time?

Anonymous Peter #0231 July 30, 2015 12:37 PM  

On Monday I looked over Vox's voting list (for no particular reason, of course) and then I voted.

I eagerly await the Dorito Tsunami when the results are made public.

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2015 12:37 PM  

You can and should send him money directly via paypal :) There’s a link on his blog. As for getting the works I'm sure you'll figure something out.

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2015 12:39 PM  

Yep. This was a good join all around. And more value to come shortly!

Blogger John Wright July 30, 2015 12:58 PM  

@ Thucydides

I will make you the same deal I have made other readers in the same situation: if you send me your email, I will share my electronic copies of my manuscripts with you, free of charge.

My email is on my journal page at Just scroll down to the bottom.

If you want to give me a tip, there is a tip jar on my journal page. I get about a dollar and a half per hardback from each Tor sale, 75 cents for a paperback.

Blogger Pseudotsuga July 30, 2015 1:00 PM  

@25 VFM 360:
Larry Correia, who has extensive auditing skillz from his former life as an accountant, has previously analyzed the voting records from at least one past Hugo campaign and pronounced them legitimate. That, of course, doesn't mean there won't be any monkey business this time....
I also had no idea, from way back, that all it took to vote on the Hugos was a membership fee--nothing more, nothing less. I am going to spend $40 next year, too. This is a long term battle, and we need people in for the long haul.

Anonymous #0053 July 30, 2015 1:39 PM  

...a voté

Blogger Nate July 30, 2015 1:39 PM  

"If you want to give me a tip, there is a tip jar on my journal page. I get about a dollar and a half per hardback from each Tor sale, 75 cents for a paperback. "

Its a miracle you aren't incontinent after a screwing like that.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 July 30, 2015 2:40 PM  

@64 - Nate, I almost spewed my drink when I saw that. I knew, from VD's earlier posts about the advantage of the CH contract that authors were getting screwed, but I had not idea it was that bad. I can't imagine that I spend $30 or more on a book and the mind that created it gets a buck and a half. Sickening.

@61, John Wright - I promise that you are worth more than that.

Blogger Mom July 30, 2015 2:58 PM  

@61, John Wright - I agree with Clint, you are worth a heck of a lot more than that. I saw some of your books at the library. I plan to tip you when I read them from there as well as when buying used.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 July 30, 2015 3:01 PM  

My vote has been in there for a few days. I'm looking forward to watching the live-stream of the awards very much. Of course I'll be enjoying a snack while watching, bourbon and doritos-flavored flesh.

Blogger Richard Brandt July 30, 2015 4:18 PM  

"What follows is the list of Hugo recommendations known as Rabid Puppies. They are my recommendations for the 2015 nominations, and I encourage those who value my opinion on matters related to science fiction and fantasy to nominate them precisely as they are. I think it is abundantly evident that these various and meritorious works put not only last year's nominations, but last year's winners, to shame." Vox Day, "Voc Popoli: Rabid Puppies 2015," February 3, 2015

Mentions of the phrase "No Award": zerooooo.

"Thanks so much to all the Rabid Puppies and Sad Puppies for your support. Without you, this cultural revolution in science fiction and fantasy would not have gotten off the ground. And for those feeling left out, you'll be glad to know that it does not end here. If you aren't already marching with the Evil Legion of Evil, you can vote in the finals this year and for next year's nominations too by registering for a Supporting Membership with Sasquan." - "Vox Popoli: 2015 Hugo Nominations," April 4, 2015

Mentions of the phrase "No Award": Zerooooooo.

(Well, other than comments like AmyJ's "The SJW puling on Twitter is hilarious. The crybabies will be voting "No Award" in record numbers like the intolerant, dishonest, pouty children we all know they are.")

Blogger Nate July 30, 2015 4:29 PM  


Richard... the talks about the goals of Rabid Puppies took place off the blog between Vox and Brad and Larry. Vox wanted to burn it all down... and Brad talked him out of it. All of this took place before Vox put up the first Rabid Puppies post. Why should he mention something that he already decided not to do?

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan July 30, 2015 5:09 PM  

done. Almost a carbon copy of VD's ballot. Pure coincidence!

Blogger VD July 30, 2015 5:20 PM  

Mentions of the phrase "No Award": zerooooo.

Just what, exactly, do you think Larry Correia meant when he wrote this?

"I don’t think you guys realize that most of me and Brad’s communication with Vox consists of us asking him to be nice and not burn it all down out of spite."

This year was me playing nice.

Blogger Dave W. July 30, 2015 6:08 PM  

I voted a couple of days ago, for what I enjoyed reading (as much as I was able to get done). I'm sure my votes would make SJWs either cry or get the vapors. :-D

Blogger HickoryHammer July 30, 2015 7:34 PM  

Ok, I know everyone else is done already and this is a late question, but when we ended a category early were we supposed to put down no award for the last spot in the list?

Blogger Redd July 30, 2015 7:50 PM  

You're trying to think, HH. We don't get paid to think around here. Did the Dark Evil Overlord of Evil Evilness tell you to put "no award" at the end? Well did he, punk?

Blogger Colonel Troll July 30, 2015 8:02 PM  

VFM #0268 has voted. For entertainment, don't you know, because, idc.

I just finished 'Three-Body Problem' last night... the description of the proton manipulation was cool SF.

Blogger VD July 30, 2015 8:14 PM  

I know everyone else is done already and this is a late question, but when we ended a category early were we supposed to put down no award for the last spot in the list?

No, always leave No Award off, except for the one category where there is nothing else.

Blogger HickoryHammer July 30, 2015 8:22 PM  

Good to hear, looks like this puppy's in the bag!

Anonymous Sevron #0358 July 30, 2015 9:22 PM  

Vote in. I abstained in the categories I hadn't read anything in. I look forward to the results. If nothing else, we will learn something about our enemies.

Anonymous JoeyWheels July 30, 2015 9:46 PM  

VFM#0286 reporting in.

Ballot cast.

Voted fireworks I completed; blanked items unfinished or didn't like.

Awaiting results with heavily salted & buttered corn and ice cold Vernors.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs July 30, 2015 9:56 PM  


Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 July 30, 2015 10:13 PM  

@71 VD

This year was me playing nice.

I admire that kind of restraint. It smacks of authority.

If you have to stop playing nice, I may be beholden to pony up the 40 and saddle up and ride.

Blogger Thucydides July 30, 2015 10:18 PM  

Mr Wright, I cannot say how horrified I am that you get so little from the publisher.

I am casting about to get the Count to the Eschaton series (I made the mistake of starting out of order), and you will be compensated.

Depending on how my time management at work goes, I may take you up on your other offer as well.

Once again, many thanks for the entertaining works

Blogger Richard Brandt July 30, 2015 11:20 PM  

@Viidad to @Kreuter

"If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love."

(Which didn't win.)

Blogger Daniel July 31, 2015 1:09 AM  

I completely disagree with Vox's font choice, but that's mainly to attract Malwyn's affections.

That ballot?

Who am I to have an opinion on such matters of grave import?

Anonymous Anonymous July 31, 2015 10:35 AM  

Done and done.

Blogger Matthew July 31, 2015 4:40 PM  

Kreuter is Tad.

Blogger Noah B. July 31, 2015 10:35 PM  

And... done.

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