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Tuesday, July 28, 2015

The joke ain't over

Ed Driscoll laughs at progressives:
A decade ago, while reflecting back on his seminal “Radical Chic” article in New York magazine in 1970, Tom Wolfe said, “I just thought it was a scream, because it was so illogical by all ordinary thinking. To think that [Leonard Bernstein,] living in an absolutely stunning duplex on Park Avenue could be having in all these guys who were saying, ‘We will take everything away from you if we get the chance,’ which is what their program spelled out, was the funniest thing I had ever witnessed.”

But then 45 years later, the self-styled “Progressives” at PBS still don’t get that the joke is on them — not the least of which because their worldview has been updated in nearly half a century.
It's a bit ironic that a conservative would laugh at Leonard Bernstein for failing to understand that the Black Panthers would take everything away from him if given the chance, considering how often conservatives tend to wax emotional about the myriad ways in which the mass movement of peoples is enriching America.

Then again, we often see the absurdity in others much more clearly than we do in ourselves. But unlike the progressives, I expect that 45 years from now, any cuckservatives still surviving will understand that the joke, such as it was, was on them.

I expect them to plead "we didn't know it would turn out like that!" And that, I think, one can accept. People are wrong. But what will not be forgiven is the way they viciously attacked those who have been warning them about the house burning down since it was little more an obvious electrical fault. Now the fire is not only burning, but engulfing entire rooms, and the cuckservatives are still sitting on the coach in the living room, watching television, insisting that nothing is wrong.

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160 Comments:

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata July 28, 2015 11:50 AM  

If it's a joke, why is nobody laughing?

Blogger Mark Citadel July 28, 2015 11:52 AM  

they just won't exist. They will have dissolved to make way for a more radical right. Conservatism never did a thing to stop 'Progress'. Pinochet did more in a year to halt its advance than the entire American Conservative movement did in a century

Anonymous Joe Doakes July 28, 2015 11:53 AM  

It happens to Liberals, too. My boss is a White man who has been passed over for promotion six times in favor of objectively less qualified women and minorities, to enhance diversity and inclusiveness in the workplace, which he supports as all good Liberals should.

Dude, the policies you promote are the reason you can't get promoted. And your kids won't, either. You're committing slow-motion familial suicide. Snap out of it!

Blogger Noah B #120 July 28, 2015 11:54 AM  

Some didn't know how it would turn out. Others didn't care, more interested in low short term labor costs than long term preservation of the country. As automation eliminates more and more of these low skilled jobs that maintained the demand for cheap immigrant labor, it's going to be interesting to watch businesses completely reverse their former positions.

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 28, 2015 11:58 AM  

"We didn't know" still has a small amount of onus on them; they'll plead something that either suggests it's somebody else's fault or that it would have been impossible for them to have done anything else:

Nobody told us!
We were good people!
Nobody could have predicted this!

Can't we all just get along?

Blogger Marissa July 28, 2015 11:59 AM  

watching television and insisting that nothing is wrong.

Also insisting that anyone who mentions the fire is racist sockpuppets.

Blogger Salt July 28, 2015 12:01 PM  

I expect them to plead "we didn't know it would turn out like that!" And that, I think, one can accept

I could accept that had there been no warning over which to even consider that one might be wrong. The non-proffered warning is sufficient. That doesn't exist, attacked or otherwise.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 July 28, 2015 12:11 PM  

@6 Marissa

Also insisting that anyone who mentions the fire is racist sockpuppets

Or cuckroaches, while hiding behind his multiracial family as a shield. We'll look down and whisper "we don't care."

Blogger Sparx401 July 28, 2015 12:13 PM  

This is definitely relevant

Anonymous WillBest July 28, 2015 12:18 PM  

I can forgive the genuinely repentant. If after it is all said and done they spend the rest of their days saying "I got that really wrong, I am just going to stay out of it and let people more aware than I handle it" then I won't hold it against them.

Anonymous Roundtine July 28, 2015 12:19 PM  

A lot of it is a generation gap. Not everywhere, the political crowd inside the Beltway skew younger (and in their own bubble), but overall it strikes me as older Gen X and Boomers are living in another world. They don't see the house fire because their home is fine and NCIS is on. How could they know? They've probably never heard terms such as neoreactionary, don't know what an SJW is, and think Richwine was run out for being un-PC, without bothering to read his research. They taught us about race, we are less "racist" than they could ever hope to be, but we also live in a world that is more racist against whites than they can imagine.

Age plays a role in how much you think about the future. I'm seriously concerned about where I buy a home because under the new HUD policies, any American town is a potential Ferguson, with forced Section 8 driving down property prices. Boomers never had to think about it (though maybe they'd understand if you described it as busing, but 10 times worse) and most will be dead before it becomes a major problem.

Blogger ray July 28, 2015 12:27 PM  

"My boss is a White man who has been passed over for promotion six times in favor of objectively less qualified women and minorities, to enhance diversity and inclusiveness in the workplace, which he supports as all good Liberals should."


America is, by far, the most powerful and influential empire the world has known. History confirms that once men become materially comfortable under empires, most of them go castrati. Because smoothness of life. Read the Bible.

Same with mass fatherlessness in New Amerika. Those who should object, who should be outraged (like, uh, the supposed 'churches') instead are silent or complicit because, see Smoothness above. Their positions would be threatened. Their wives and daughters would be angry or upset. Etc. Just like any objection to Affirmative Asskicking would risk comfortable jobs, nice car, cable t.v. If you're afraid to be poor or homeless, you cannot be a man.

And being a man is too much to expect of the average person, with modern America the eternal proof. You gotta cut these people out or they infect the whole, and eventually all environments (including employment and religious) are vetted to retain only such compliant and self-abnegating males.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 12:29 PM  

@10: I can forgive the genuinely repentant. If after it is all said and done they spend the rest of their days saying "I got that really wrong, I am just going to stay out of it and let people more aware than I handle it" then I won't hold it against them.

Ditto, but attempting to make amends and right past wrongs would be a lot better than just stepping aside.

Anonymous Stilicho July 28, 2015 12:34 PM  

"We didn't know...". How could they when they've shoved their heads so far up their own asses that they're smelling the Ghost of Flatulence Yet To Come?

"We didn't know...". We don't care and we'll happily carve that excuse on their tombstones.

Blogger VD July 28, 2015 12:34 PM  

Ditto, but attempting to make amends and right past wrongs would be a lot better than just stepping aside.

Not if they attempt to assume positions of leadership like the neocons did. "Yeah, we were totes wrong about socialism and the Soviet Union, but now that we know better, just kick out those horrible John Birchers who were right and listen to us from now on concerning foreign policy and immigration."

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 28, 2015 12:35 PM  

@11 Sufficiently rural and at least 100 miles from a major city is still going to be pretty safe. Housing property prices will be low but stable and farm land will be expensive. There is almost no risk that HUD will bother to try to transplant people into a town of less than 3,000 people and hours away from a mall. Even if they try, they won't find many people willing to take them up on the offer. The downside is it will be hard to find local employment that pays well. That being said, there are some major manufacturers / chemical companies that have large plants in the middle of nowhere and who pay wages well above typical for the region.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 12:36 PM  

Very similar to the Germans of WW2 Germany who didn't know the crematoriums running day and night were incinerating Jews.

This is why the left is in an uproar concerning these videos from Planned Parenthood.

It is getting much harder for the modern American progressive Hitlerian to declare they thought PP was just giving women free birth control pills.

Blogger Mark Citadel July 28, 2015 12:38 PM  

They're now piling on Trump for 'raping his spouse' even though that is an impossibility. These people are jackals.

Blogger bornagainpenguin July 28, 2015 12:41 PM  

Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata, @1

To quote the Bee Gees in their almost prophetic song, I started a Joke:

"I started a joke
Which started the whole world crying
But I didn't see
That the joke was on me, oh no

I started to cry
Which started the whole world laughing
Oh, if I'd only seen
That the joke was on me

I looked at the skies
Running my hands over my eyes
And I fell out of bed
Hurting my head from things that I'd said

Till I finally died
Which started the whole world living
Oh, if I'd only seen
That the joke was on me..."

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 12:46 PM  

It is kind of like this living with progressive Hitlerians:

The neighbor on your right will rat you out. The neighbor on the left will pull the trigger at your execution ceremony. This conservative across the street will pull the blinds and crank up the TV.

No one who cares will hear your screams.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 12:50 PM  

Your mother is the last human who really cared about you.

We are all nothing but blood bags at this point.

Our value according to the elites is our fertilizer conversion value. About the same as the going rate for cow manure by weight.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 28, 2015 12:52 PM  

@16 The question is if good high speed Internet access is available in such locations. I have no plans to leave my current employment, but I am working to be ready to do pure remote work (with very limited travel) in the next few years if I have to move on to something else.

That is one possibility for the modern world if you have the right set of knowledge and skills.

I would expect VD could work from anywhere, as one example.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 28, 2015 12:53 PM  

VD,

So basically, conservatives that believe the free market can solve immigration problems aren't really conservatives?

Wait, does that make you... the liberal in this case?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 12:57 PM  

You will be like the aborted unborn.

No one who hears your screams will care.

Like an abortion clinic. A scream just means you didn't sever the spinal cord completely.

Nothing more.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 1:06 PM  

When the progressives start harvesting American Christians, who will come to our defense? Are we going to the defense of Christians around the world being beheaded, raped and skinned alive? Of course we don't even acknowledge it even though it has reached genocidal levels in many areas.

The world will line up, we will be destroyed, and Satan will reign, and all remaining goats will die horrible deaths and burn in Hell for eternity, and a new world will emerge ruled by our Savior, Jesus Christ.

It has started and is picking up steam. By the end of this year we will have an economic hell on earth and the vibrants will be raping the white girls to get back at the evil white devils (like they do in Europe).

Prepare.

Anonymous p-dawg July 28, 2015 1:08 PM  

@NorthernHamlet: What is your evidence that we have any free markets?

Blogger IM2L844 July 28, 2015 1:16 PM  

When is the William S. Lind brainstorm session scheduled? Did I already miss it? I would like to hear him discuss "Political Correctness: A Short History of an Ideology" ~ edited by William S. Lind...(should be required reading for all Ilk).

Anonymous Teenage Jail July 28, 2015 1:17 PM  

@OP "I expect them to plead "we didn't know it would turn out like that!""

"Brother, you asked for it!"
-a Hispanic who helped destroy the US economy

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 28, 2015 1:19 PM  

@15: That would probably make the genuineness of their repentance suspect, and therefore my statement wouldn't apply to them. For the sake of argument, I presume that their efforts to help are genuine and actually helpful.

@23: I prefer the label "classic liberal of the Thomas Jefferson school—no relation to those who calls themselves liberals today." It's long but pointed.

Blogger Jourdan July 28, 2015 1:29 PM  

Hi all, Jourdan here reporting in from his new gig in downtown Washington, D.C.

Guys: However bad you think it is, it's probably at least twice as bad as that. You guys would not believe it here. I just wish I had a hidden camera so you could see what I see, hear what I hear, read what I read.

I don't know what the answer is. I used to think I did, but now, I really don't know if anything can be done. What we face: it's HUGE. It's not a tidal wave, it's a tsunami. When you find yourself in a corridor with 16 U.S. Army officers and senior enlisted walking in dress uniforms to a briefing and talking amongst themselves completely in Spanish, as they pass statues to men like Clay, Jackson, Goldwater.

It's just...it's just....I don't even know what to say. I want to fight. I'm willing to fight. I just don't see how or even who to join with to fight.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 28, 2015 1:40 PM  

@17:  It is getting much harder for the modern American progressive Hitlerian to declare they thought PP was just giving women free birth control pills.

There is a conservative case for PP.  After the demise of Jim Crow, Planned Parenthood is a flawed but worthwhile defense against the forces of anti-civilization.  Another 13 million Africans-in-America would have collapsed the country by now.  Yes, it's just a holding action.  It is still working for us rather than against us.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 28, 2015 1:40 PM  

I call it "consequentialist thinking," the ability to recognize what a current set of conditions yields, logically, as time on that path passes.

I find it astonishing how few people can examine a set of conditions and recognize where they inevitably lead. A relatively intelligent person who has either raised a kid or even trained a dog could have predicted with utter certainty the effects of the "war on poverty," the "war on drugs," and just about every other public policy of the last 100 years.

MPAI

Blogger VD July 28, 2015 1:40 PM  

It's just...it's just....I don't even know what to say. I want to fight. I'm willing to fight. I just don't see how or even who to join with to fight.

When they start shooting at you, you'll know.

Anonymous Curious ... July 28, 2015 1:41 PM  

When you find yourself in a corridor with 16 U.S. Army officers and senior enlisted walking in dress uniforms to a briefing and talking amongst themselves completely in Spanish,

They tell me that Antonio de Padua María Severino López de Santa Anna y Pérez de Lebrón spoke Spanish as well.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 28, 2015 1:42 PM  

Well, a proud boomer laughed in this film, ever disturbing for a July baby; Heaven is Hell (2014) - COMPLETE MOVIE - Indie Dark Comedy Action Movie.

Yikes, at any rate I'd rather not see post america in 45 years let alone 10.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 28, 2015 1:42 PM  

@32: You are assuming that the policy-makers did not have today's situation in mind when they wrote the policy.  Given the depth of experience (as you note), you really can't make the case that they intended anything but what has happened.

Treason trials are in order, no?

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 28, 2015 1:47 PM  

The historical wail of SJW's (and other destroyers of civilization) has always been, We didn't know this would happen! We didn't mean for it to turn out this way!

And yet, they have produced centuries of misery and mountains of corpses. Repeatedly. Throughout history.

Ayn Rand explained it all when Hank Reardon and Dagny Taggart explored the abandoned factory where John Galt invented the machine that supplied its own limitless energy. When the SJW's took over, he left both the factory and the machine to them.

Of course they could do nothing with it, and when the factory was abandoned what did we hear? We never meant for this to happen! The pigs. SJW's are destroyers of civilization. Always.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 28, 2015 1:48 PM  

So basically, conservatives that believe the free market can solve immigration problems aren't really conservatives?

The L-C dichotomy is false. It's statism vs liberty, and the "immigration problem" would not exist in the absence of public property. Those who showed up uninvited would be ejected or shot as trespassers. Fools who invited the hordes would be refused service by their neighbors, and property rights enforced however needed, by force when needed. Immigrant is a term that requires nation-state borders for definition, and nation-states have public property.

The absence of political (dis)order is called a "libertarian utopia;" it's on my wish list right ahead of a unicorn that pees long island iced tea.

Blogger Jourdan July 28, 2015 1:48 PM  

@33 VD - Odd as it may sound, I'm actually quite looking forward to the clarity such a situation would bring.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 28, 2015 1:51 PM  

Ayn Rand explained it all when Hank Reardon and Dagny Taggart explored the abandoned factory where John Galt invented the machine that supplied its own limitless energy. When the SJW's took over, he left both the factory and the machine to them.

Same thing happened for real in Argentina, when populists stripped the owners of a factory of their asset and handed it to the "employees," equally and collectively. In no time at all the factory failed, shuttered and fell into ruin.

"I, Pencil."

Blogger Noah B #120 July 28, 2015 1:52 PM  

Clarity may not result from the conflict, Jourdan. It's going to be a horrible mess.

Anonymous 11B July 28, 2015 1:52 PM  

Larry Auster wrote something once that seems appropriate. He wrote, "A reactionary (or shall we say a traditionalist?) is a person who sees a threat to his society the moment it appears. A conservative is a person who sees the threat to his society after it’s already done a lot of damage. A liberal is a person who only sees sees the threat to his society after it’s too late to do anything about it—or he never sees it at all."

This now makes more sense to me. I've always thought myself a conservative, but in fact I am probably the reactionary or traditionalist that Auster describes. BTW, this term cuckservative is right (forgive the pun) and it is getting blowback precisely because it draws blood. Cuckservatives know instinctively it describes them to a tee.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 28, 2015 1:52 PM  

On the way to the breakup of the USA lies a military dictatorship. Almost guaranteed.

Will it feature LGBT officers or not?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 1:53 PM  

The question is if good high speed Internet access is available in such locations.

Generally, yes, more than you'd think. Where I live, many of the small towns of under 1000 have been fully converted to fiber, which offers pipes up to 1Gb/sec and near-zero latency. I was talking to the guy who plans fiber rollouts for the local phone co-op. He said the main cost of fiber now is the labor, so it's pretty cheap now as long as you can drive along and "slice" it into the ground down the side of the road, which they often can do in the small towns. They make slower progress in bigger towns and cities where they have to go underground or drill to get under things and deal with a lot more other infrastructure in the way. So the town of 250 has better Internet now than the town of 50,000.

It's a little dicier when you get out in the real country. There's no fiber (nor cable or DSL) to my house, and it's not on their drawing board yet. But I have 4G-based wireless service which generally gives me 3-7Mb up and down with 10-30ms latency. The only downside is the 15GB/month limit, over which they charge extra, so that'd be a problem for someone developing a lot of video. But for programming, remote server admin, web development, that kind of stuff, it works great.

Anyway, you just have to check into what's available, the way people check into the local schools while choosing a place to live. You might be surprised what you find. As a last resort, you can get satellite service anywhere, but those suck on ice (especially for any sort of remote admin work), so don't get stuck with that.

Blogger Salt July 28, 2015 1:58 PM  

@30

Jourdan, when I was recently at SPinDC, I was hanging at a street corner listening to it say repeatedly, "Wait! Wait! Wait wait!" Most comical, yet also unpleasant. I observed one couple at the other side not wait, crossing against the light. I expected to hear their talking "Wait! Wait!" voice say, "You assholes," but I was sorely disappointed.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 2:01 PM  

How a few thousand people are keeping 100 million Americans penned up in a cage made of match sticks I will never know.

Like the other day my Son and I found a fence down and we didn't have a lot of tools but we needed to make sure the cows didn't escape so as my Son said "we just need it to look like a fence is here, doesn't really have to be real". It works every time.

Americans are cattle, Obama is the current ranch foreman, and the fences are made of fear and loathing, nothing more.

And we all stay penned up, complaining about the fence and the foreman while the truck backs up to the chute, to load us and haul us to the slaughter house.

And all we do is moo...

Blogger bw July 28, 2015 2:06 PM  

@ 11B

Excellent quote.

And this: this term cuckservative is right (forgive the pun) and it is getting blowback precisely because it draws blood

Indeed. It notes the socio-sexual (nature) behind the lack of balls and commitment and defense of the masculine and purpose, as well.
"Shiv" city.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 2:07 PM  

basementhomebrewer @16 Sorry you're wrong. I live in the furthest place you can live from a big city. A town of 3200. Ten -fifteen years ago they started to bring in illegals from Mexico and Guatemala. Mostly male gang members. Now there are officially still 3200 people in town and unofficially another 3500 mostly male, mostly gang members from Mexico and other central American countries, mostly Guatemala. They started bringing their wives about 5 years ago which was interesting as most already had fairly large families with poor white or Indian girls. They get mass social services.

One good thing. About ten or so years ago they stopped shooting into the air when they were celebrating. Now if you hear gunshots it's them committing crimes or hunters sighting in their rifles at the range.

Another great thing is that while half of our hardware and autoparts stores have closed and we now have only one grocery store, we have several corner mexican restaurants and shops where you can wire money home! You can even get the illegal homemade cheese if you know the proprietor. We've lost three nearby grocery stores (two of them mom and pop), five restaurants and bars, housing values raised briefly during the bubble then dropped below what they were.

Oh and murders and robberies. Lots more of those.

So don't think having one stop light in @ two hundred miles makes you immune. They're moving them everywhere.

Anonymous A Visitor July 28, 2015 2:07 PM  

"the cuckservatives are still sitting on the coach in the living room"

What's a coach? Did you mean couch?

"overall it strikes me as older Gen X and Boomers are living in another world. They don't see the house fire because their home is fine and NCIS is on."

@Roundtine As you said age really affects outlook on the future. It's taken some time (the better part of five years) to finally convince a relative of mine, who holds very similar political views as me, that immigration is a problem in its form for the U.S.

"The downside is it will be hard to find local employment that pays well."

Try to find an employer that allows telework or create your own business.

"When the progressives start harvesting American Christians, who will come to our defense? Are we going to the defense of Christians around the world being beheaded, raped and skinned alive? Of course we don't even acknowledge it even though it has reached genocidal levels in many areas."

There are some charities providing relief for our persecuted brothers in Christ. Short of dropping your entire life, taking a one way ticket to Seoul (to cross the DMZ), Istanbul (to go over land into Syria), Baghdad, or Tehran, finding a weapon, and defending those being slaughtered, there's not much more that can be done besides prayer of course. When they start harvesting us, they'll find some of "these weird insects" shoot back.

@30 How's 1400 Defense otherwise? That's stunning to hear about the officers and NCOs...

@31 "There is a conservative case for PP.  After the demise of Jim Crow, Planned Parenthood is a flawed but worthwhile defense against the forces of anti-civilization."

Sorry, you don't get to make that call. Regardless of race it's frickin mass murder.

"How a few thousand people are keeping 100 million Americans penned up in a cage made of match sticks I will never know."

I'm assuming you mean 2.5 million federal workers (many of whom have no relation to martial occupations like the military) and a couple more million federal contractors.

It's not that they are keeping said Americans penned up in a cage made of match sticks, it's that said Americans don't want to throw off the current order because a) they view doing so as possibly being immoral due to no imminent threat to their lives b) they may have no idea what to do afterwards c) they may honestly believe it still can be changed via the ballot box.

I get the feeling the majority of us that comment here are more aware than the majority of the republic's citizenry. Most Americans do not care about politics or current events beyond how much it affects them.

Anonymous Curious July 28, 2015 2:12 PM  

@39 But they have the tanks and guns and penumbras from the Constitution!

Blogger IM2L844 July 28, 2015 2:23 PM  

And all we do is moo...

First, patience wears thin then there will be a trigger then a panic then a stampede. When white folk riot, it's a whole different brand of crazy (see The Red Summer of 1919).

Anonymous northernhamlet July 28, 2015 2:23 PM  

dc.sunsets,

property rights enforced

>>rights enforced
>>enforced
>>ENFORCED

The concept of property rights itself is a historically statist idea, as wealth fenced off the world with the help of govt as the industrial revolution took hold.

Your use of property rights enforcement is amusing, because it highlights exactly what I'm saying regarding the cuckservative meme.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 28, 2015 2:24 PM  

@49: Regardless of race it's frickin mass murder.

Wrong 3 times in 1 sentence.  Murder is "the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought."  The elements of unlawfulness, humanity (as in thinking, feeling being) and malice are all absent.  You don't get to make that call.

Note that Wheeler extols the virtues of the Spartans.  One of the things the Spartans did, among many other societies of the day, was to let defective infants die from exposure.  Aborting the ones with Down's, spina bifida and the like is virtuous in the same hard-headed fashion, but far kinder.

Blogger Jourdan July 28, 2015 2:27 PM  

@48 Donn -

Spot on, you could not be more right. When I was a young man, this was the story in small town Central California. 10 years ago, it became the story of small towns in Colorado, Iowa, Georgia and Idaho. Now, as you say, it's everywhere.

Everything you describe is exactly spot on, down to the shooting in the air and the cheese.

I remember looking at them trudging along streets their own people never could make, using electronic devices their own people never could invent or produce and making their way to a store to buy from an economic system their own people can barely make function and thinking: these people aren't going to win are they? They surely won't be allowed to inherit this, what our people have built?

Anonymous Eric Ashley July 28, 2015 2:30 PM  

Dumbness. Or rhetoric as you like.

You can attack the cuckservatives and the real conservatives all you like, but to say 'we won't forgive them for fighting back' is either real stupid or a threat of de guello.

A real conservative with a knowledge of the situation snickers at this. If you want to go down a dark alley, you don't want a libertarian at you back protecting you, he's more likely to be creating a petition than holding a gun. And maybe the alt-right reactionary might be okay, but they are a tiny fringe as well.

This is just like the Old Europeans critiquing America in the run-up to Iraq War 2. One of their chief goals of those totally weak forces was to saddle the warhorse, and bend it to their will. Same here. The alt-right wants to ride the conservatives to victory.

And of course, we have the traditional conflation of Establishment RINOs who are justly called cuckservatives, .....No. They are not. Boehner is not a conservative. He's a GOP Elitist.

Remember Real Conservatives got this from the other side when John McCain was running. There was a level of abuse levelled at us that makes this cuckservative thing seem rather tepid.

So yeah, we know you're full of hot air.

And we know that you know that you're misdescribing us.

Its kinda dissapointing. I expected better of you lot.

That said, cuckservative can be useful if you limit it to RINOs, but otherwise you're going to provoke a lot of yawns even if it is a clever term.

Anonymous Pay Attention July 28, 2015 2:33 PM  

Are we going to the defense of Christians around the world being beheaded, raped and skinned alive?

Actually, the US Military -Wave the Flag and Hero Worship Because "Manly"!! - has done its share of setting up the persecution of Christians in the last 2 decades. Muslims over Serb Christians in the Balkans because of "genocide".
Yeah. OrthoChristians taking it to Muslims, and the Western NATO UN powers said "not a chance". Tells one all he needs to know.

Blogger macengr July 28, 2015 2:39 PM  

@12 - The real problem with the churches is that they are still fighting the last war, against racism and abuse of women. They have not woken up to realize that a new war is upon them, and that they are putting the very people in power that they should be fighting against.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 28, 2015 2:40 PM  

Jourdan @54 I've gone on elsewhere about all the crimes I've witnessed or cleaned up after with these guys. I'll just add that in 500 years of Spanish contact most of the Guatemalan Males and only two of the women I've met speak Spanish much less English, who are the morons who think these guys will assimilate?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 2:44 PM  

"Grandpa, how did you lose our country? Why did you let them destroy everything that made us the land of the free? What was liberty like? Why didn't somebody do something?"



Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 2:45 PM  

The people will rise up when they have nothing left to lose.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 2:50 PM  

"Well, I guess your ol' Grandpa didn't love freedom enough. I really didn't want to jeopardize my SS check. I was also on full and permanent disability and it was good money. I also got a stipend for erectile dysfunction caused by exposure to agent orange in Vietnam. I could sit on my butt and watch Judge Judy, suck down diet cokes, and eat all the donuts I wanted while I had body parts cut off one by one as they turned black. Those were good times..."

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 2:50 PM  

Mr Irrational @53
Aborting the ones with Down's, spina bifida and the like is virtuous in the same hard-headed fashion, but far kinder.

You have no fucking idea of what you're talking about.The Spartans were a bunch of boy-buggering monsters whose worship of power and penis destroyed them. They were the least admirable humans of history,

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 2:53 PM  

Maybe the fat, soft, pasty, lazy, stupid, drug addicted, dysfunctional perverts (Americans) are fixing to get what they deserve...

Pass the Zoloft please.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes July 28, 2015 2:54 PM  

As the saying goes, until the pain exceeds the fear, we won't change.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 2:56 PM  

Danby, don't shatter Irrationals panacea. He thought the movie was really how it was.

Or maybe he knows these guys loved to rape little boys and is OK with it, because they were tough and aborted people the old fashioned way, which he seems to admire.

When these abortion lovers start spontaneously aborting themselves en masse, I will give them some respect.

Anonymous Sheila July 28, 2015 2:57 PM  

@55 Eric Ashley, yawns? Perhaps you ought to take a moment from your busy schedule to listen to the guys at TheRightStuff (many, many thanks, Vox, for making me aware of them). Their comments, and Gregory Hood's Amren essay on cuckservatives have been making the rounds. This term has "legs" precisely because it draws blood, not yawns. Ride the conservatives to victory? Now I have to go clean up what you made me spit all over my keyboard!

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 2:58 PM  

Tiny Time
"Well, after Grandma left me, i went through a bad patch. then I realized it wasn't really her fault, she had been brainwashed and encouraged by a culture of feminism and control. I tried for a while to fix it, but at every turn I was stymied by the system. Eventually, it became clear there wasn't really anything I could do, and if I did do anything effective, I would be destroyed personally or even sent to prison. That happened to a friend of mine, when he took on the system. I guess I just gave up after a while."

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 2:58 PM  

We are no different than people who say "when I get cancer, I am going to get on a strict healthy diet and work out. Until then, pass the donuts".

"When they show up at my front door and demand my guns, well that will be the line in the sand..."

And you will be dead.

Blogger Kaijubushi July 28, 2015 3:15 PM  

So I married a Japanese woman. Where does that put me in the coming race war?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 3:24 PM  

You mean to say you, a dirty white male piece of filth subjugated a poor Asian woman for your own devices...

You didn't marry anyone.

That is where you stand in the coming race war.

Blogger Kaijubushi July 28, 2015 3:24 PM  

@68 I'm not sure I follow...

Blogger Tiny Tim July 28, 2015 3:28 PM  

I am assuming you are a white male.

That is a stain that cannot be lifted.

You are the problem. Your usury of the angelic masses caused the collapse of the planet.

You cannot change the fact that you are the scourge of the planet.

Blogger Kaijubushi July 28, 2015 3:30 PM  

I am a white male this is correct. My destruction of all things non-white and pure is something I do not deny.

I was just confused about the "you didn't marry anyone" part.

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 3:44 PM  

Marriage is a social construct around the joining of clans vial ritualized rape.
Since your caln and her clan can never join together, that leaves only the rape.

Blogger Kaijubushi July 28, 2015 3:45 PM  

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Blogger Kaijubushi July 28, 2015 3:46 PM  

I'm not sure what's going on anymore. Ritualized rape? Really?

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 28, 2015 3:47 PM  

There is almost no risk that HUD will bother to try to transplant people into a town of less than 3,000 people and hours away from a mall.

Move to coal country, blacks are not smart enough to be able to do the small amount of maintenance required to have coal heat. Also there are not enough hand out stations to give away out tax dollars efficiently.

About the same as the going rate for cow manure by weight. PP sells baby liver at $100 an ounce.

So basically, conservatives that believe the free market can solve immigration problems aren't really conservatives?

The problem with immigration is the socializing the costs while rent seekers reap profit.

Will it feature LGBT officers or not? I doubt they will leave air conditioning, but putting up mirrors will stop the gays, & if you have any 10-14yo carpet put poison on it and you can stop the lesbians.

The Spartans were a bunch of boy-buggering monsters whose worship of power and penis destroyed them. They were the least admirable humans of history,

Have you heard of moslems and baca bazi? Its ok to screw little infidel boys just like it is infidel girls.

Maybe the fat, soft, pasty, lazy, stupid, drug addicted, dysfunctional perverts (Americans) are fixing to get what they deserve

I have actually talked to guys that got HIV on purpose (taxpayer paid meds costing $2000-$5000 a month) who say with meds you can live a normal life and live off social security disability + other benefits. I asked what if the medication runs out or stops working because low IQ refugees are not smart enough to take it correctly, and they are like "that couldn't happen'. I point out in the UK so many 3rd world refugees eat up AIDS services there isn't much for citizens. Some people stockpile fish antibiotics for the nigapocalypse but if the people relying on mail pharmacy will be in a bad way when the nigapocalypse hits with foodstamp cards not working.

"When they show up at my front door and demand my guns, well that will be the line in the sand..."And you will be dead.

Sure I will go get my guns for you, go ahead and help your self to the bottle of hemlock infused Southern Comfort. Here is my hi point and Mosin nagant. Other guns well I done lost them all when I had that boating accident with Nate's wife.

Anonymous Porky July 28, 2015 3:47 PM  

@53 Aborting the ones with Down's, spina bifida and the like is virtuous in the same hard-headed fashion, but far kinder.

You are correct. It is rational. And virtuous. And kind.

So you won't protest too much when society rationally decides that it's time to vacuum your brains out with a ShopVac.



Anonymous CuckScuses July 28, 2015 3:54 PM  

And we know that you know that you're misdescribing us.

#Shit an Excuse Making Cuck Marxist Says

You're a Loser. You've always lost.
You have no moral vision or power or chance of victory - and the funny thing is the money powers leading your Inverted Pentagram political party are using you.
The Left is more committed to their ideology and morality than you are. They Win. You lose. Every time.
Because Socio-Sexual, Egalitarian, Universalist and naturally Castrated.
Loser.




Blogger HM July 28, 2015 3:56 PM  

Danby: Xenophon, an Athenian who lived among the Spartans and actually left written accounts, denied that they engaged in "boy-buggering". Those Athenians who accused them off it: 1) never observed it, they simply passed on gossip; and, 2) were a bit angry with Sparta as Athens was usually on the losing side of their various wars. Hardly the commentary of a disinterested observer.

But who knows. I didn't live through it, you didn't, and I have no monopoly on the historic truth. But I think the odds are against it, all things considered.

Anonymous northernhamlet July 28, 2015 3:58 PM  

Tiny Tim,

Have you... been drinking?

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 4:00 PM  

@74
I'm not sure what's going on anymore. Ritualized rape? Really?

dude, read your feminism. Or, if you need coherent English in your gibbering, read Stacey McCain.

Marriage is a social construct around the joining of clans vial ritualized rape.
I read that actual sentence on a feminist website. My response was "Damn those grapes sure are sour, aren't they? Let me know if you manage to suppress the crazy long enough to find a man."
I was banned (again)

Blogger Kaijubushi July 28, 2015 4:07 PM  

@80 I try to stay away from feminism. Apologies for my ignorance.

I feel bad for my current friends living here in harpy central (D.C.). The poison is spread wide.

Anonymous Curious July 28, 2015 4:19 PM  

The Criminal Justice Club:

• Illegal aliens convicted in this country of child molestation, and other serious felonies, are often released from our prisons and jails back into our communities instead of being deported.

• About 630,000 illegal aliens enter our nation's jails and prisons each year for crimes committed in this country.

• For thirteen years in California (1965-1978), the state paid the counties $4,000 for each convicted felon who was not sentenced to state prison.

• About one-third of those arrested for felony crimes in Los Angeles County are not prosecuted by the DA.

• Between 1960 and 2002, there were an estimated 200,000 unsolved murders in this country, and the number of unsolved murders, nationally, grows by about 6,000 each year.

• In the first ten years of the Three-Strikes law (1994–2004), California’s crime rate fell 45%, the steepest decline in crime rates in the nation for that period.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 28, 2015 4:21 PM  

Guys, don't waste time debating abortion. Its an insurmountable issue and there is no chance of changing anyone's mind

Right now we need to work together to expel the Leftist traitors, Cuckservatives various foreign trespassers and punish the nations who push their refuse on us severely enough they won't try it again for a few generations.

After all that and we've stabilized society we can resolve the abortion issue either by accepting a general ban, splitting the new nation along ideological lines or killing each other until one faction is on top.

And yes that is what it is going to take. Its a religious issue and cannot be resolved with debate.

And to what Porky said, if I am past a certain functional point in life (brain dead, well past recovery, horribly maimed on the battlefield) it wouldn't bother me too much if I was euthanized especially while unconscious. Its better for everyone me included, although custom is a shot of something, a bullet or smothering, not a shop-vac which is messy and painful at the level of brain development.

But again this is an insurmountable issue and as such not important now. Right now what is important is figuring out how to deal with the mess we are in.

Anonymous Curious July 28, 2015 4:21 PM  

This is too good to be true: Open Source and Feelings

It has just got to be a parody!

Anonymous joe doakes July 28, 2015 4:45 PM  

When the EBT stops working and the Zombie Apolocypse comes wandering out of the ghetto looking for food in the White neighborhoods, I'm armed but I'm only one guy. I suspect I'll need friends to stand night watch if we seriously intend to defend our homes. How does one go about setting up a Home Guard without freaking out the neighbors?

Anonymous BGS July 28, 2015 4:50 PM  

This is too good to be true: Open Source and Feelings. It has just got to be a parody!

They are probably taking grant money. If anyone is in the area be a presenter and black knight it. Its not fair that Asian & white men seem to have all the ideas, what really happens is they putout their ideas while other people are waiting for a good time to speak so they don't interrupt people.

Blogger Matamoros July 28, 2015 5:02 PM  

So I married a Japanese woman. Where does that put me in the coming race war?

Read Rudyard Kipling's The Stranger

Anonymous FP July 28, 2015 5:16 PM  

"That said, cuckservative can be useful if you limit it to RINOs, but otherwise you're going to provoke a lot of yawns even if it is a clever term."

This would mean something to me Eric if I hadn't heard a local "traditional conservative" firebrand radio talk show host, who is now a republican state rep tell me in an email about a year ago as well as on the radio multiple times that "You'd rather have Harry Reid than Mitch McConnell leading the senate!? I'll take Mitch!" I say, what difference at this point does it make?

This would be a guy that got into a minor twitter battle with Glen Beck of all people over not supporting the national GOP. At least support your local GOP party, he'd say. Why? He's admitted he supports turtleface even when turtle and the weeping boner do nothing but bend over to the opposition.

I did get a good laugh when a week before a recent gun rights rally he took to the facebook page of the organizers to extol the virtues of all the people fighting against abortion because "they're patriots too!". Yeah, great. Remind me how well that battle has been going. Oh, but don't get too extreme in protesting your rights by open carrying guns. That might scare moderates off.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 5:28 PM  

[OSFeels] has just got to be a parody!

It should be, but I'll bet it's not. It's downright surreal these days, talking to programmers who think the most important issue in Open Source today is making it "safe" for women and minorities. It may be the most Orwellian conversation I've ever been involved in.

As I said on Twitter yesterday, 20 years ago geeks were using and globally distributing Usenet, which sported many completely unmoderated groups like alt.fatty-fuckers and alt.i-hate.christians, and none of us saw a problem with it. If you didn't like those groups, you stayed out of them. If someone posted something offensive in a group you subscribed to, you kill-filed (ignored) him. Problem solved.

The whole freaking point of the Internet, as far as we were concerned, was that you could do what you wanted, which meant so could anyone else. I mean, we invented uuencoding so we could pass 8-bit porn through a 7-bit text protocol! (Okay, not really, but I'll bet it got more use for that than everything else combined.) In theory, you could have gotten in trouble for posting something illegal like child porn, but the trouble would have come from legal authorities who tracked it down to the source, not from "Usenet" or the geeks who ran it, because no such authority existed or was wanted.

Now, 20 years later, many of those same geeks, along with their Millennial successors, are all lip-quivery about the possibility that some girl or black person might want to write code (or play games) and not feel "welcome." They spend hours debating the exact wording of their code of conduct to make sure no one could possibly feel left out. They rewrite esoteric documentation that no woman will likely ever see, just to switch to female pronouns, then brag about that like they just invented a faster sorting algorithm. Reddit, which was sort of a half-assed attempt to replicate Usenet on the web, shuts down non-PC subreddits left and right.

It's hard for me to find the words to describe how bizarre the change is.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 6:24 PM  

"You'd rather have Harry Reid than Mitch McConnell leading the senate!? I'll take Mitch!"

And that's exactly the point: they want to be just a bit to the right of the Democrats. That's where they're comfortable and where they make the most lucre. They wouldn't move further to the right even if you could prove to them with charts and polls and 8x10 color glossy photos that moving significantly to the right would help them win elections. They won't even listen to that argument.

Anonymous Curious July 28, 2015 6:27 PM  

It's hard for me to find the words to describe how bizarre the change is.

There is not likely to be any worthwhile open source software written at that conference.

Meanwhile, aging white males continue to churn it out with some help from a few East Asians ...

Blogger Brad Andrews July 28, 2015 6:28 PM  

@85 Guys, don't waste time debating abortion. Its an insurmountable issue and there is no chance of changing anyone's mind

That is not true. We may not change what is the law of the land, but we can and should still speak the truth.

A society that will intentionally murder the most defenseless does not deserve to last. We need to speak the truth as the only chance to change that. I will not without radical changes in other areas, but radical changes do happen from time to time.

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 6:52 PM  

A nationalist/Socialist, eh? I'd be inclined to vote for him were he not a Commie. i might anyway, if I actually thought he was really a nationalist. But nationalism isn't allowed any more, c.f. the video someone posted yesterday about the dire menace of Volkisch Sedlers, who move to rural, mostly ethnic German areas, mind their own business, work hard, help their neighbors and have lots of kids. (The monsters!)

No, it's just an attempt by NRO to slyly bring out the Nazi brush.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 28, 2015 7:08 PM  

Brad, there is nothing wrong with saying the truth as you see it but its still a waste of time.

Abortion is not the number one problem here, in the scheme of things its low priority and can be dealt with later.

Anti abortion people seem to be stuck in 1973 when it was mostly Whites but its not like that.

As a cold immoral equation, reducing abortion helps your enemies since 75% of aborted fetuses are Black or Hispanic and pretty much all of them are likely democratic voters.

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake

Now wanting abortion to stop on moral grounds is fine, understandable and Christian but its in your best interest to deal with it after you have your own country otherwise you are just adding an extra half million or so to your enemies personnel roster every year. They aren't "your people, your race, your culture or your political views." they are in all effects the children of a rival tribe. Seem them accordingly

Anonymous BGS July 28, 2015 7:13 PM  

"How does one go about setting up a Home Guard without freaking out the neighbors?"

You could buy a case of a dozen mosin nagants and some spam cans of ammo for the cost of a good 308. Invite the neighbors to go out shooting with you. If you know any Asians they are aware of every black/Hispanic on Asian attack that happens in 100 miles.

So I married a Japanese woman. Where does that put me in the coming race war?

Blacks consider everyone better than them to be white including Asians & Hispanics. Derbyshire has an Asian wife.

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 7:22 PM  

Prosper @96
Anti abortion people seem to be stuck in 1973 when it was mostly Whites but its not like that.As a cold immoral equation, reducing abortion helps your enemies since 75% of aborted fetuses are Black or Hispanic and pretty much all of them are likely democratic voters.

Now wanting abortion to stop on moral grounds is fine, understandable and Christian but its in your best interest to deal with it after you have your own country otherwise you are just adding an extra half million or so to your enemies personnel roster every year. They aren't "your people, your race, your culture or your political views." they are in all effects the children of a rival tribe. Seem them accordingly .


Fuck you. We don't care. Any movement that tolerates abortion, or worse, views it as a moral good, is evil. Bitch all you want, but I won't be a part of it, you morally cretinous rationalizer.

Simply put, you are not on the same side I am. I'm on the right, you're just another leftist, with a bit better view of the medium-term effects of your preferred policies.

In pragmatic terms even a monster like you can understand, the goal in 4GW is to recruit mindshare. There is exactly one mass movement in the country today that has demonstrated the physical courage and relentless persistence, to turn the mass opinion over the long term. And we will not sign up with your crusade so long as you talk like this. If you're setting policy, you lose. If we're setting policy, we drum you out. That's how it is, so be pragmatic and join us.
Or keep talking to yourself. No one really minds.

Anonymous Eric Ashley July 28, 2015 8:24 PM  

Sheila, its just how things are. The vast mass on the Right is people like me, but with a bit more money. The objective of 'cuckservative' is to shame them into letting Vox anoint himself as their leader.

I'm not even sure this is a bad thing. But I feel like telling the truth of what's happening.

The Libertarians, the Alt-right cranks, the Stormfront dimwits....all these guys have basically the same goal....convince the tens of millions of guys like me that they are the new leadership.

One of their typical, and annoying 'mistakes' is to confuse the difference between a Real Conservative and a RINO. I'm just like John Boehner except I want to put up a fence, deport illegals, hang abortion docs, lower taxes. close two thirds of the gov't, and declare Jubilee on all debts.

Now, someone confusing me for Mitch is either 1)Real Dim (and for White Nationalists thats a possibility) or 2)Deliberately Dishonest.

I'm in favor of a bit more honesty.

CucksScuse, no, I don't have power, but then neither do you.

FP, it stinks that a decent guy gets close to power and then starts to get corrupted. Of course, some of this is strategic differences, and before you say 'its completely clear' I'd advise the wise words of OSC on SF writers telling the future.

"If you feel you can tell the future, go home, take two aspirin, and lie down until the feeling goes away."

I certainly did not expect to see the International Left collapse as it did under Reagan's skills. The Future is not certain. The Left is fragile.

If this is too long, then remember one thing....The Left is Fragile.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 28, 2015 8:25 PM  

Hit a nerve did I Danby? I think I was pretty clear that this was a temporary enemy of my enemy truce anyway and that dealing with our mutual problem is more important than our divisions.

We reactionary types have many factions the "Christian" one like you , the "Constitutionalists" like Sipsey Street and WRS, Monarchists, White Nationalists and the rest of the people including people like me who are Paleo-Cons more or less

If you want to call me a Pragmatic Leftist, fine. I'll accept the label. Its not entirely accurate but I'm certainly not interested in a theocracy, don't think Christianity is necessary to have Western civilization it might even be opposed to it in places , think we only need Western people and and a few core values to have a western civilization and am an economic nationalist. if that's Leftist, so be it. I don't care.

I can't stand the Cathedral mainly since they've gone crazy and declared war White Healthy and Heterosexual. Otherwise minus these things and maybe the gun issue they seem to be doing a tolerable job . People have food, entertainment, sex, a decent ecology in the West , medicine and for the most part again till quite recently could believe whatever the hell they wanted. I don't see how any faction here is going to do much better than they were doing. Operative word , were,

Truth is the only reason that we are tolerating each other now is that the Cathedral is stronger and smarter than any of us separately for the moment and for most people offers a better deal than any of us can offer either, This will not last since the Cathedral like most hard left groups end up crazy and now seem to be run by a coalition of Ringwraith Ayn Rand, The Joker , Zombie Pol Pot and the Ghost Of Stalin.

re: pragmatism. I can live with a general ban on abortion in society, I don't care but thus far the people pushing that are not thinking consequences through, they have a case of "bad feelz" backed with moral teachings. To my mind other than moral consistency and supernatural claim it isn't different than the Left operates. .

Now back to abortion, Its around 725,000 a year as of 2011 per the CDC . It spiked a bit about 10% which is sad.

Let's say in 4 years and change we stop these abortions within 8 years after that you have an extra 6 million young people, 4.5 million of them Black and Hispanic almost all of them poor and/or from broken /single parent homes.

When it comes to deal with this besides moral posturing, What's your plan Stan?

Going to let them starve? Going to put them in group homes? Jails? Its going to take you decades to repair the family structures so in the lets say 2 decades before marriage 3.0 works itself out you have 15 million more problems to deal with, 5 million or more are young adults. You going to heard them into church at gun point? Danby, how precisely minus supernatural intervention do you plan to deal with that? My side such as it is has a plan, just leave well enough alone. That is a workable plan

Now granted the US become a bit less pro abortion over time but your mindshare isn't going to dominate. Its one, a strong one granted , one among many and as such not automatically a winner, If you set policy, some will follow you and some will not but in the end, you had better be ready to not have it all. Also don't assume this is going to be big uprising. It probably won't. Christianity is shrinking and the upcoming festivities are probably going to be a multi-ethnic, multi-faith, multi-culture free for all. The enemy of my enemy is my enemies enemy and such you take your help where you can. Our sides can fight together and win but In truth there is way in hell do we all belong in the same polity or even want the same things We should take that into account.

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 8:57 PM  

"dealing with our mutual problem is more important than our divisions. "

Dealing with our mutual problems consists in a .45" slug of lead entering your brainpan. You are no more on my side than the most strident SJW. Less so, because she is at least honest which side she's on

You are no more a paleocon than you are a traditionalist. You're a totalitarian. Our plan is to do the right thing and trust God. Your plan is to murder the poor and congratulate yourself on how forward-thinking you are. Just like your fellow atheist, Stalin.

Christendom IS Western culture. There is not,and never has been, a culture of liberty and prosperity that was not Christian.

Anonymous Rhys O'Reilly July 28, 2015 8:59 PM  

@92 Cail Corishev

Is there any chance usenet could be bought back? If people had an alternative to reddit/voat that was completely free speech and did not look 20 years out of date then it would become very popular.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 28, 2015 9:37 PM  

Danby being tepidly pro abortion does not turn anyone into Stalin, though I'll note he died in his own bed at the ripe old age (for that time anyway) of 74 not of lead poisoning. Not caring if ones enemy aborts children does not turn one into Stalin either. Hell a good Christian might be called on by God to commit genocide, The Jews certainly were several times .
And one can easily make the point that nothing changed either. “Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Mt. 5:17-18).

Also the Arabs have a saying about trust , Trust in God but Tie up your Camel. You've read the Bible I assume, it doesn't always come out so good and it may be that Gods wants this iniquity and wants the obliteration of all save a handful of the just. You have no way to know this and as such it behooves you to fight for whatever you think is right .

Of course the solution for pistol threats is a rifle shot or drone strike.

And the other cultures Celts, Greeks Roman's and others have as much claim to being Western as any Jewish import . Rome as quite prosperous, orderly and modern and was longer than we will manage and much of its works are still here. Ours will see the dumpster of history save a handful. Hell the the Bronze age pre Christian civilizations in Europe were Western too. Christianity however is Middle Eastern with stolen Western trappings

Lastly, of course I am Paleo-Con. The reason I don't defer to default old line Christianity is because its not the ideology of my youth. The US was at a certain point when i was born and I think it needs to go back a we bit from there, 1964 maybe?

Paraphrase wikipedia
I believe that the United States derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character. Immigration must be severely restricted or halted (my addition even reversed) through appropriate changes in our laws and policies. Check!

I am strongly critical of neoconservatives and their sympathizers in print media, talk radio and cable TV news. Check!
They seek the renewal of "small 'r'" republican society in the context of the Western heritage, customs and civilization. Republics mind their own business. Their governments have very limited powers, and their people are too busy practicing self-government to worry about problems in other countries. Check!
SNIP tend to oppose abortion on demand (Nope) and gay marriage, (Yep) while supporting capital punishment,(Nope) handgun ownership (yep) and an original intent reading of the U.S. Constitution.(mostly)
On the other hand, paleocons are often more sympathetic to environmental protection,[37] animal welfare,[38] and anti-consumerism[39] than others on the US Right. (yep)
So this makes me Stalin now and I am now evil because I'm not sure if I see a fetus as a person till it can survive outside the womb naturally and because I take the view that politics is hereditary and if someone is doing something that is in my benefit and which stopping would cause harm and hardship to me I shouldn't stop them.
That is bunk but again it makes my point , correlated beliefs in some ways but they do not belong in the same polity.

Anonymous The other robot July 28, 2015 9:43 PM  

@86: That is amazing.

Is this talk proposal about Entryism? Getting started in open source in a non-programming role

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 10:07 PM  

Rhys @102,

Usenet is still there now. But ISPs don't run news servers anymore, so you have to go out and sign up with a service to get it, and it's largely abandoned. Some of the technical groups that were busy back in the day, like comp.lang.perl.misc, are still fairly active. But if I lookup non-tech groups I used to follow, like groups for pro sports teams, I mostly find spam and maybe one guy posting articles with links hoping to get some SEO value.

But to your question: I don't know. I've thought about it, and I don't know why not. If people are willing to use crappy interfaces like Twitter and texting, why not newsreaders? But to reach most people, you simply have to have a web interface, and that's a problem. Usenet worked because it was distributed; everyone with a decent connection ran a newsserver and took a chunk of the load. With a web interface, you're kinda forced to centralize. You can distribute across multiple servers and even multiple sites, but it's still virtually centralized.

So I've been kicking around the idea of a distributed web service, a bit like bittorent, where anyone who runs it can become a server and help distribute the content around. I just started thinking about it, though, in the recent context of sites like Reddit and Twitter being susceptible to SJW infiltration because of being centralized under one management, so I haven't even looked to see what anyone else is doing along those lines yet. I can't be the first to think about it. But with something like that, you could build a web-based Usenet (or Reddit or whatever) that wouldn't "belong" specifically to anyone, so it would be able to route around interference.

If I get beyond the musing stage, I'll be sure to mention it here to get help.

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 10:16 PM  

Note: I said Free and Prosperous. Rome was certainly prosperous, but even during the Republic it was never free.

No, you are not a paleo-con because you are not conservative. You are like Stalin because you believe in the wholesale murder of innocents.
No. we're not in the same polity, we're not on the same team, we're not on the same side, and when the shooting starts, we won't be allies because you're my enemy.

fuck you.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 10:20 PM  

Is this talk proposal about Entryism? "Getting started in open source in a non-programming role"

Yes. It's one of those lines that's intended to be interpreted two ways. There are important non-programming roles in open-source that can always use more people: writing documentation, testing, artwork, monitoring logs and bug reports, housekeeping of mailing lists, and the like. But SJWs interpret it to mean they need someone to play den mother and tell everyone what to do. Or at best, someone to go to conventions and promote the project, which soon turns into, "Okay, you guys have to shape up so I have a pretty community to promote."

The smarter ones used to start out in one of the thankless support roles, establish some credibility as contributors, then try to shift to den mother. Now they just come in and try to shame the geeks into giving them the position on day one.

Blogger automatthew July 28, 2015 10:22 PM  

"a distributed web service, a bit like bittorrent, where anyone who runs it can become a server and help distribute the content around"

The actually useful work Moldbug has done is on Urbit, which is at least in the same ballpark. But it's over-ambitious by umpty levels of magnitude.

I'd like to see/try something modest first. A small subset of www features using bittorrent for storage/transport and using a derivative of NameCoin for resolution of human-readable-strings to torrent hashes. The amount of handwaving in that last sentence could power many a turbine. But none of my usual bullshit detectors went off as I wrote it.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 10:36 PM  

The amount of handwaving in that last sentence could power many a turbine.

Heh, that's exactly how I felt while writing what I said about it. But I don't think there's any reason it couldn't be done, though I can see how it could get very complicated in a hurry.

I have the same attitude as you about starting with something modest and adding as needed. That's how all the original protocols and services started, after all, and we're still using many of them virtually unchanged for decades.

Blogger automatthew July 28, 2015 11:01 PM  

Bittorrent could already serve as the virtual storage medium for samizdat content. The biggest problem I know about is name resolution.

Say I want to read an article on the torrent-based ilknet that has the URI:

ilk:namecoin.cailcorishev/heresy/sir-hiss-is-the-real-hero.markdown

"namecoin.cailcorishev" can be resolved if you trust the blockchain-based NameCoin network. But how to resolve the path? You REALLY don't want to put all possible URI paths in a blockchain.

Blogger automatthew July 28, 2015 11:04 PM  

Git-style, SHA-versioned trees?

Blogger automatthew July 28, 2015 11:08 PM  

To conclude, discovery of resources is the basic problem here. How do you find a movie to torrent?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 28, 2015 11:09 PM  

These arguments are while I avoid the topic of abortion. It turns reasonable Christian people into Crusaders,

Danby, we are never free. No one is ever free in this world and no one can make them not Cyrus the Great nor Thomas Jefferson nor any man . God doesn't want us to be free either he restrict us to doing Right or well us to restrict us and wants us to serve Him .Our reward comes in the next and even there we serve only basking in his love. Only Easterners believe in Freedom as you see it.

If/when things go south most of those millions of unwanted children that would be born under your system will suffer and die anyway. war is gutter business and poor, low IQ and violent people with weak means of social support are fucked. Many will burn in hell.

You and yours aren't getting off without blood on your hands and I'd argue that my letting people make the choice makes me less culpable since the suffering and harm is less. I'm maybe amoral, you are outright immoral.

I am in fact hanging to your ideals (freedom to choose) better than you. where we differ is that I don't think a fetus is a person till a further point in its development than you. That is all.

Now also why so many are having trouble with the society they are in is simple. You already live in a very Christian society and minus sexual immorality and its products (like abortion) Christendom would be quite close to what we have today. It would be a little Whiter, a little Righter and quite close to what we have.

if you doubt me, think about where tax revenue goes, defending the US, Europe and Israels interest (mostly til of late) and succor for the poor, Its very Christian.

So what you are doing is fighting for a bunch of separate things, its quite incoherent really

#1 a Christian state which you have (although rife with sexual immorality of course)

#2 a "Constitutionalist" state which is incompatible with the later unless you ignore the 14th amendment

#2 A White nation which isn't necessarily Christian and you can't have without mass expulsion and mass murder anyway.

And Capitalism which is incompatible with any kind of Republic where the poor get a say.

You can't have all these things since they don't work together in a modern context and none of them leave people free.

Now you can if you are willing to put boots in faces and are willing to let people starve, stop the sexual immorality that you can have but it will be bloody and those people won't be free either.

Choose wisely.


Blogger automatthew July 28, 2015 11:10 PM  

Danby, tone it down, please. ABP is playing civil, and so can you.

Blogger Danby July 28, 2015 11:24 PM  

He's playing it civil by saying (at Sandiford length, may I add) that it's perfectly reasonable to murder millions of infants. Some kind of reasonable. He's wrong and he's lying, but he's reasonable. If that's how it goes, oh well. I'll shut up.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 11:45 PM  

discovery of resources is the basic problem here.

Right. On the web, discovery is done with links and search engine databases. On gopher, it was done with Veronica, and FTP had Archie. I sense a theme: keep the underlying protocol simple -- paths to resources -- and build discovery mechanisms on top of that.

But we're getting a little far afield; I think now that I'm having some coherent thoughts about it, I'll setup a repository to start collecting them.

Blogger automatthew July 28, 2015 11:50 PM  

at Sandiford length, may I add

Snicker.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. It's a tell.

Blogger automatthew July 28, 2015 11:51 PM  

I sense a theme: keep the underlying protocol simple -- paths to resources -- and build discovery mechanisms on top of that.

torrent Magnet Links as the FDs.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2015 11:54 PM  

Guys, don't waste time debating abortion.

For someone who says talking about it is a waste of time, you sure are determined to get the last word on it, aren't you?

You've also been disingenuous about it. Your first comment implied that "we" were on the same side about abortion, but that you thought "we" should concentrate on other things first, and deal with abortion later. It only gradually became apparent that you're actually a big fan of culling the population. You don't want to ever "deal with" abortion at all, do you?

Just thought I'd point that out, in case Danby's reaction distracted anyone from your shell game.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 29, 2015 12:12 AM  

Its cool Danby. Abortion is a raw emotional issue and when different world views with radically different views of what constitutes a life clash its not always going to be pleasant.

Its gets even worse when arguing birth control.

Simply, I don't see a fetus before a certain point of development as a person. You do, we cannot agree and so in the end either God or Colonel Colt settles the issue and one of us wins and is either gone , lives under the strictures of the other or there
is separation.

That is how politics and revolutions work.

Lots of people die, somebody get's their way.

Given that huge gap, you can't help but see me as a monster but being I don't see a fetus as a person, I don't see myself in this light.

Now I do agree with you after 5 months or so but this won't help, the gap is too great.

. Now you accused me of being a Leftist. I'm not but will grant you this, if the Cathedral were better as preserving a White sexually moral culture, I wouldn't be anywhere near as pissed at them

On the whole trying to alleviate poverty, trying for equality under law , protecting the ecology and trying to have a somewhat higher degree of equality, all leftist ideals they used to work for and they they sort of try to do sometimes are good things.

However Leftists are almost always Progressive and Cthulhu always swims left so in order to preserve a functioning society from the march of the malignant morons, it becomes necessary to push hard hard right.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 29, 2015 12:31 AM  

Cali, you posted that before my last post.I'll respond.

Of course I want to get in the last word. I like to argue in person and on the internet. Its how I learn.

Now as per abortion, I didn't mean to imply we are on the same side on abortion. I just said we all hate the Cathedral. I apologize for the lack of clarity on my part.

And no I don't terribly want the State to deal with abortion before 4 to 5 months or so because I don't think that fetus is a person.
After that I want a ban except in the rare cases of gross fetal deformity and/or life of the mother.

I do think some eugenics is a good thing for example the huge reduction of Down's Syndrome because of testing and abortion is great for humanity . If when fetal selection for desired traits becomes safe and efficacious, I hope its widespread though it should never be forced, ever and again no abortion should be allowed once ordinary palliative care will keep a baby alive.

I also favor unlimited access to birth control and yes the Leftist idea free/subsidized birth control. Its a cheap proven crime fighting measure and improves the quality of life for everyone.

Its greatly better if people marry before they have sex but until our society reforms the economy so young men can start a family , which means heavy regulation and probably redistribution, I'll settle for the slightly immoral approach.

My thinking on this is Thomist in a way, better a small immorality of promiscuity than unwanted children, poverty and social harm.

However there are things than can be done to discourage promiscuity changes in welfare incentives, social pressure and regulation which could help reduce numbers . These should be done but for the rest the pill (IUD, diaphragm,rubbers whatever) will suffice.

And if some here are those anti-birth control people, well we have nothing to say, I think that view is insane and counterproductive. It doesn't really work either. Japan dropped hugely in TFR with nothing more than Condoms

Blogger automatthew July 29, 2015 12:42 AM  

And if some here are those anti-birth control people, well we have nothing to say

We've already realized that you have nothing to say to us. You are playing for an imagined audience. You can gesture at being on our side, but in the end, you ain't, and you'll be treated as such.


Its a cheap proven crime fighting measure and improves the quality of life for everyone.

You think you can sneak that in ... at this blog?

Blogger Danby July 29, 2015 12:43 AM  

A. B. Prosper. There is a simple easy word for your political philosophy. You are a fascist. We are not on the same side, I worship at a Cathedral (as you insist on capitalizing it).

I stand with my people, White working- class, decent people.

You stand with your people, collectivist political theorists and ideologues who only care about ingroup/outgroup signalling, "pragmatic" decision making, and implementing their "pragmatic", Atheist policies, not how much damage you do along the way. People like Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Mao Tse Tung. Granted you don't share their "pragmatic" policies, just their religious views and belief that your God-like omniscience and will to power will save The (intentionally vague group of) People.

Blogger automatthew July 29, 2015 12:44 AM  

Abortion is a raw emotional issue and when different world views with radically different views of what constitutes a life clash its not always going to be pleasant.

Euphoric Fedora.

Blogger Danby July 29, 2015 12:52 AM  

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Blogger Danby July 29, 2015 12:53 AM  

Murder is a raw emotional issue and when different world views with radically different views of what constitutes a life clash its not always going to be pleasant.

FIFY

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 29, 2015 1:21 AM  

Danby, The cathedral is a Dark Enlightenment term coined by Mencious Moldbug roughly meaning

it is a "distributed conspiracy", one that treats feminism, democracy, and other "progressive" causes, and the general world view of educated Westerners, as the current world's version of an established church

And the left is the party of the educational organs, at whose head is the press and universities. This is our 20th-century version of the established church. Here at UR, we sometimes call it the Cathedral - although it is essential to note that, unlike an ordinary organization, it has no central administrator.

That is not an ideal explanation of the group think involved but it will do.

I do not mean the building.

Also re: I may well be a fascist and I kind of having enjoyed our discussion realize that while I could live in a Christian Theocracy as you seem to want I think its a poor way to run a complex modern society.

You want to force people to live by your moral standards same as anyone. Its all force. You think yours is divinely inspired but you won't be the first or the last. It doesn't differ to the person you are coercing in any case.

I don't care much for signaling anybody most times, However I don't care about out groups too much either and I do care for how much damage I cause along the way.

However if/when this touches off tens maybe hundreds of millions will die anyway. Its not avoidable, 40 million people on EBT and whoever knows how many on Social Security will probably starve to death and unknown millions more will die of cold, disease some of it transgenic, and violence. Also millions and millions will be forcibly relocated or just killed for being the wrong race/creed/whatever.

This is going to happen no matter who does what in a collapse , it can only be mitigated, I'd like to get the best society I want out of it in the end I suspect you do as well.

We severely differ on what constitutes good society

Also automatthew, that that hat looks great on you and second, sneak it in?

Reality check here unwanted children from poor families and broken homes as well as Black and Hispanic kids cause a lot more crime and violence than most any other group.

Those kids that were aborted were almost entirely from that group and because they won't be born, they won't be committing crimes.

The real fix is stable families of course but the fact the method is immoral if it even is won't change that , less poor Low IQ, High Time Preference people means less crime and more safety for the rest of us.


However the one thing I did learn is my Christianity is shittier than I thought and weaker too. So I am grateful for that.

I'm not going anywhere mind you but I sure am going to avoid some topics too.

Blogger Danby July 29, 2015 1:44 AM  

You want stable families, with widely available and free birth control, and government subsidized abortion. This is a contradiction in terms. You can have stable families, or you can have a culture of birth control. Not both. c. f. Humani Generis. Every single prediction made by Paul VI about a society that accepts birth control has come true. Read it some time. It's chilling how accurate he is.

And your "Reality Check" is nothing of the kind.

You're not even as smart as a proper fascist. What a loser.

Blogger Groot July 29, 2015 2:10 AM  

@52. northernhamlet:
"The concept of property rights itself is a historically statist idea, as wealth fenced off the world with the help of govt as the industrial revolution took hold.
"Your use of property rights enforcement is amusing, because [blah blah]."

No, my historically befuddled friend, the concept of property rights gave to individuals a defensible right to their own property against royalty's prerogative over everything: divine right. Property rights are an anti-statist conception. The world was long since fenced off, but it belonged first to the king, and then to his friends and family.

@76. Kaijubushi:
"I'm not sure what's going on anymore."

It gets a bit weird here now and again, but it can be highly amusing. It's mostly an IQ thing, so I'm guessing you and yours are OK.

@80. HM:
"But who knows. I didn't live through it"

Donn #0114 might have lived through it. He's had 500 years of Spanish contact, and who knows how much farther back he goes:

"58. Donn #0114
"I'll just add that in 500 years of Spanish contact most of the Guatemalan Males and only two of the women I've met speak Spanish much less English"

Blogger rho July 29, 2015 2:36 AM  

@108 I'd like to see/try something modest first. A small subset of www features using bittorrent for storage/transport and using a derivative of NameCoin for resolution of human-readable-strings to torrent hashes. The amount of handwaving in that last sentence could power many a turbine. But none of my usual bullshit detectors went off as I wrote it.

That's... not a bad start, as far as it goes. The paranoid in my head asks, "yes, but how will it work over packet radio," but that's a minor point.

To conclude, discovery of resources is the basic problem here. How do you find a movie to torrent?

The question is, which is paramount? Anonymity or authority? With authority, discovery is a matter of circles of trust. With anonymity, the circles of trust are more ad-hoc. Each direction has its merits and limitations.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 29, 2015 3:49 AM  

@127 Of course I want to get in the last word. I like to argue in person and on the internet. Its how I learn.
No you don't. You want to talk. Look at the length of your posts compared to everyone else. Learn to make concise arguments if you really want to play and learn here.

You make me look like a piker! I have been working to shorten things as well, following VD's advice (in general, not to me).

Any society that will not defend the rights of men before birth will not do so after birth, no matter how many you expel from the country. It is a package deal. You must respect the right of life, liberty and property (to put it the way it should have been written). Not doing that leads to a society that is willing to take from others as you advocate.

How old Stalin was on death is irrelevant too. Stories say it was not a pleasant death if they are accurate. He is not in a good place now unless he had a last minute conversion.

Murder is wrong dropping opposition to that will drop people's involvement in the other important things you claim to support.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 29, 2015 4:01 AM  

Danby, personal insults don't make your point. Its not birth control access but culture . Japan is a non US example having condoms only and still dropping below replacement and there are others such as LDS who use birth control and still have large families and considerable population growth. They don't allow abortion however but it wouldn't make any difference. Culturally they regard children as a blessing but we can't change that in the broader culture by fiat or diktat in any reasonable time frame or maybe at all.

Baring dictatorship or social implosion, the tech that facilitates the social change is not going anywhere for decades . Future kids are going to have Internet porn, video games, and whatever Internet and communications toys are out there. If it gets too bad they don't, well the kids born from the extra sex will end up in an orphanage or starving anyway. So get used to the culture shifting secular.

Your ideas on population and fascism are rooted in the industrial era and as such always involve "more people, more power" Power is quality people, better intelligence and better machines these days,
.
Because of automation and how it relates to our society, we cannot support a large population socially, there is no work and all the upcoming tech in automation means less work by the year. Truck Driver is next on the block in my estimation. Other jobs will follow and just as software got rid of many travel agents and many accountants, its going to get rid of many other good jobs approachable for the working class. They are baring them taking over the mechanism of the State in short fucked.

Thus it behooves us to allow our population to shrink naturally and control immigration to keep wages up and the demography favorable till it stabilizes.

What I figure is short run assuming no civil war automation will increase as will unemployment, poverty and underemployment buoyed by financial chicanery. Medium run, 30 years or so baring a technological break through we get civil war or utter social collapse. Up to 100 million people in the US will die or be forced to migrate. Long run, longer than my lifetime the population will brick again and decline by at least half maybe more. I don't know what level it will stabilize at maybe 80-100 million. In none of the scenarios is "more people" especially the kind being aborted a beneficial outcome.

As for birth control, its way cheaper to pay for IUD's, Norplant and the Pill than a foster care or the higher crime rate. Its a good deal and experience shows people are not going to be celibate.
Assuming that the people denied abortions will automagically become good parents is just stupid. A few will but most will be shitty single moms raising shitty single children they don't want and we don't need.

Now I do draw the line, they must always have the choice to keep the child even if its bad for society. I might be a fascist but a totalitarian state is worse.

However as you said different teams, different POV's the oddly lead to somewhat similar desired states. That knowledge was of value and worth my time. Thanks for that.

Blogger Shimshon July 29, 2015 4:14 AM  

Cail,

@91
I started at UCSD 1984. You had to have a class that needed computer access. It didn't have to be CS. Eg there was a stats class in the bio dept. I remember discovering Usenet later that same year. Mind. Blown.

Usenet was totally awesome. We even had trolls too. I frequented soc.culture.jewish for a time, and every few months like clockwork a troll would show up and disrupt everything. Different ones too. Nevertheless, that was a small price to pay for a totally free-wheeling environment where you actually did feel safe from the likes of SJWs and useful idiot concern trolls.

Finally around 1987, anyone could get an account.

The whole "code of conduct" thing is just weird. At least the Linux kernel seems immune, but I am surprised at some of the projects that are adopting them.

@92
They either have low intelligence or inactive/defective moral compass. Either way, they don't care. They like power. And the money's pretty good too. And that's why we don't care either when pushing back.

Blogger Shimshon July 29, 2015 4:21 AM  

Cail,

@95
Did you see this link?

https://medium.com/@maradydd/on-port-80-d8d6d3443d9a

Had some interesting insight that meshes with your comments.

"Reddit isn’t just Usenet on port 80, it’s Usenet with a reputation system on port 80."

Based on my understanding, blockchain tech (ie Bitcoin) could be used as a foundation for such a distributed rep system. Combined with the protocols mentioned, this could be the totally free of control modern-day Usenet. Thoughts?

Blogger Shimshon July 29, 2015 4:22 AM  

Sorry, that's @105!

Blogger Shimshon July 29, 2015 4:28 AM  

In fact, can't the blockchain store a good deal of data within it?

http://storj.io/

Hmm...

I think Bittorrent is perhaps the wrong solution? Or only part of the solution?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 29, 2015 6:13 AM  

Shimson, thanks for that link, I'll look at it today. I created a repository to start collecting thoughts about this, if you're interested. I have some more that are starting to percolate.

Blogger Shimshon July 29, 2015 8:28 AM  

I see you're a Perl fan.

"An elegant weapon...for a more civilized age."

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 29, 2015 8:50 AM  

Query: Do Danby's somewhat unhinged attacks on A.B. Prosper violate Vox's dictum that "if someone is shooting in the same direction as you," they're at least nominally on your side? And you should refrain from shooting at them?
Including threatening to shoot them in the head with a .45?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 29, 2015 9:16 AM  

I see you're a Perl fan.

Indeed. I'm getting into Perl 6 now, and either love or hate it, not sure yet.

Anonymous The other robot July 29, 2015 9:20 AM  

Indeed. I'm getting into Perl 6 now, and either love or hate it, not sure yet.

Python is better by far. More natural. Everything is an object in Python.

Blogger Shimshon July 29, 2015 9:33 AM  

Out come the computer language concern trolls...By all means, Python is better. BY FAR (said breathlessly)!!!

Blogger Cail Corishev July 29, 2015 10:31 AM  

Everything is an object in Python.

You say that like it's a good thing.

Blogger automatthew July 29, 2015 10:52 AM  

Python is a good middle-ground language, and I'm not talking about its intrinsic quality here. It's a social middle ground. Few hate it, and many find it unobjectionable to use for oecumenical purposes.

My only beef with it is the castrated lambdas. CoffeeScript shows that you can have decent anonymous functions in an indentation-sensitive language.

Blogger automatthew July 29, 2015 10:54 AM  

Of course it needn't be said that there are only two true programming languages:

* LISP
* FORTH

Blogger Danby July 29, 2015 12:44 PM  

Query: Do Danby's somewhat unhinged attacks on A.B. Prosper
False assertion. My attacks are not unhinged

violate Vox's dictum that "if someone is shooting in the same direction as you," they're at least nominally on your side? And you should refrain from shooting at them?
Another false assertion, Prosper is not attacking in the same direction. Read his most recent comment. He considers freedom illusory, murder of innocents perfectly acceptable, and power the only measure of worth. The man is a totalitarian. He is shooting at us, and more importantly, he's shooting at children, and more specifically said my 8-year-old with Downs would be better off dead. Forgive me if I take that personally.
Whatever side he's on is the side I will be shooting at.

Including threatening to shoot them in the head with a .45?
I made no such threat. I was suggesting to him that his suicide was the proper solution to all our problems.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 29, 2015 1:15 PM  

I was taught that if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all. So all I have to say about Python is that I'm sure we can all unite in a common hatred of PHP.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 29, 2015 3:04 PM  

Cail, is BASIC so dead you won't even kick it once?

The Spartans were a bunch of boy-buggering monsters

The Athenians extolled man-boy love, and so did the rest of Greece.

Q:  Why did the little Greek boy run away from home?

A:  He didn't like the way he was being reared.

Q:  Why did he come back?

A:  He couldn't stand to leave his brothers behind.

whose worship of power and penis destroyed them.

Go read Wheeler again.  Also see HM @80.

You have no fucking idea of what you're talking about.

Irony.

They were the least admirable humans of history,

What little breadth of knowledge you have.

So you won't protest too much when society rationally decides that it's time to vacuum your brains out with a ShopVac.

Just quoting this to show how ridiculous the "thinking" of some pro-lifers is.  They think women have abortions just to be mean.

@85:  Yes, exactly.  Stop wasting effort and alienating allies.

A society that will intentionally murder the most defenseless does not deserve to last.

A society that sacrifices its best to waste effort on ciphers or the hopeless cannot last.  This is the disease of equalitarianism, which we see in the argument over abortion of defectives, in education ("no child left behind" really means "no child gets ahead"), the argument over race (forcing "racial justice" rather than letting people sort themselves out under equal treatment), and so much else.

We need to speak the truth as the only chance to change that.

Every truth you deem taboo does damage to you.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 29, 2015 3:10 PM  

@96: Exactly.

@98: I fight the SJWs because they have it in for me, and you are just like them.  You wish force me and mine to act and think according to what you think is moral and just, and damn the consequences.  Social justice warrior, fetal justice warrior... no difference.

the goal in 4GW is to recruit mindshare.

"Pro-life" has a very small mindshare.  You can recruit the fanatics, but the masses vote overwhelmingly for the middle ground when deciding policy and vote with their feet when it's personal.

we will not sign up with your crusade so long as you talk like this.

This is a crusade against SJWs telling us what we can say and even think.  I'm not in this to make YOU the thought-policeman.  No one can pick up that power without being corrupted.  Ringwraith, indeed.

@100:  exactly.

@101:  Dealing with our mutual problems consists in a .45" slug of lead entering your brainpan.

A soi-disant "right-to-lifer" proposes murder.  Say classy, Danby!  Say, maybe you could do some useful work by picketing some Planned Parenthood offices in the 'hood.  Watch out for those .45 slugs!

@115:  He's playing it civil by saying (at Sandiford length, may I add) that it's perfectly reasonable to murder millions of infants.

A pre-viability fetus is not an infant.  An embryo is much less so, and "pro-life" typically goes the full reductio ad absurdum and demands full human rights for one-celled zygotes.  This is where moral busybodies get to in the name of "principles".

@128:  Civilization does not survive without some form of birth control.  If you have people dropping babies as fast as they can and let starvation and disease keep the balance, you get Africa.  Birth control is the way of all K-selected peoples.

@131:  Hogwash.  YOU endanger the rights of men by extending them so far they become meaningless.  What are you going to do, force every girl to use EPT every month and then prosecute any who lose zygotes?  Creating a totalitarian state in the name of "life" is pure evil.

@146:  "He is shooting at us, and more importantly, he's shooting at children, and more specifically said my 8-year-old with Downs would be better off dead."

THERE'S the problem:  Danby is a woman.  Women personalize everything and only with the utmost difficulty can they understand abstract concepts like "people who decide they can't deal with a Down's child should not be forced to carry one to term".

I believe the proper response is "shut up, bitch, and make me a sandwich."

Blogger Groot July 29, 2015 3:11 PM  

You're all heathen cavemen. Domain specific languages grown by DSLs devoted to devising DSLs is the only way forward.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 29, 2015 3:13 PM  

@102:  Usenet could not only be brought back, you could run nodes using short-range peer-to-peer messaging over Bluetooth between smart devices in the normal course of the day.  This could run mostly or completely off the Internet and under the radar of almost all snooping technologies.  I am not up to writing the BlueTooth equivalent of HoneyDanBer UUCP and nntp, but someone is.

Usenet used to run many nodes over 14.4 kbps modems (Telebits and such).  Bluetooth can reach 200 kbps.  Phones and tablets and even e-book readers have gigabytes of storage.  The sky is the limit today.  If you dispense with the bandwidth-heavy images and video, filling your available time for reading every day would take only minutes even at BlueTooth speeds.

Anonymous Shades July 29, 2015 3:38 PM  

Point of order, but Japan has had The Pill for quite some time. You just needed to convince a doctor you really needed it, and they weren't too keen to pass them out like tic tacs, as they do here.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 29, 2015 6:08 PM  

Bah, first half of my big comment got censored. Repeat time!

The Spartans were a bunch of boy-buggering monsters

The Athenians extolled man-boy love, and so did the rest of Greece.

Q:  Why did the little Greek boy run away from home?

A:  He didn't like the way he was being reared.

Q:  Why did he come back?

A:  He couldn't stand to leave his brothers behind.

whose worship of power and penis destroyed them.

Go read Wheeler again.  Also see HM @80.

You have no fucking idea of what you're talking about.

Irony.

They were the least admirable humans of history,

What little breadth of knowledge you have.

So you won't protest too much when society rationally decides that it's time to vacuum your brains out with a ShopVac.

Just quoting this to show how ridiculous the "thinking" of some pro-lifers is.  They think women have abortions just to be mean.

@85:  Yes, exactly.  Stop wasting effort and alienating allies.

A society that will intentionally murder the most defenseless does not deserve to last.

A society that sacrifices its best to waste effort on ciphers or the hopeless cannot last.  This is the disease of equalitarianism, which we see in the argument over abortion of defectives, in education ("no child left behind" really means "no child gets ahead"), the argument over race (forcing "racial justice" rather than letting people sort themselves out under equal treatment), and so much else.

We need to speak the truth as the only chance to change that.

Every truth you deem taboo does damage to you.

Blogger Danby July 30, 2015 12:27 AM  

@ Mr. Rational,
Shut up Scoobius.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 30, 2015 12:52 AM  

First you call me Tad, now you call me Scoobius.  At least make up your minds so I can tell you once and for all that you're full of it.

Blogger Shimshon July 30, 2015 3:38 AM  

@145 I had a full time paying job for a time as a Forth programmer. I used to have a copy of Loeliger's Threaded Interpretive Languages. I still my copy of Object Oriented Forth by Dick Pountain. I'm shocked at the asking prices for both on Amazon. It is the Platonic ideal melding machine and language. Just ask PostScript.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 30, 2015 11:47 AM  

@155 You are certainly full of it whoever you are.

Women have abortions because they are selfish or because others push the issue (contrary to the "woman's choice" mantra). They would suck your brains out for the same reason.

Why do you hate innocent people and favor their murder being legal?

Blogger Danby July 30, 2015 1:31 PM  

"Shut up Tad" is blog shorthand for "No-one is going to engage, you narccissitic homosexual attention whore"

"Shut up Scoobius" is blog shorthand for "Listen you narcissistic gamma attention whore, stop smearing yourself with Mussolini's faeces and go back to the bathhouse."

Easy-peasy

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 31, 2015 12:06 AM  

@157: Women have abortions because they are selfish

Yeah, not wanting to sacrifice the rest of your family for the sake of a child you can't deal with, expecially one euphemistically called "special-needs", is SO selfish.  The rest of your family is so selfish, hoping to receive care and attention that could instead go to something that has no possibility of ever living independently and passing on your heritage.  It's another variety of cuckservatism.

because others push the issue

If you knew how much "special ed" and all the Medicaid services for some of these "exceptional children" costs, you'd push it too.  They are one of the major reasons that everything else is neglected and falling apart; the best are being sacrificed for the sake of the hopeless.

They would suck your brains out for the same reason.

The only people I've ever seen using that imagery are alleged "pro-lifers" like you.  I've seen plenty of feminists, Blacks, etc. say they want me dead (explicitly or implicitly), but none as graphically as you.

Why do you hate innocent people and favor their murder being legal?

So many logical contradictions in one sentence!  That's artistry.  A pity it did not originate with you, you're not smart enough.

Murder is "unlawful killing" by definition.  Using the phrase "legal murder" un-ironically is proof of disordered thinking.  Worthy of a leftard, AAMOF.

So's the accusation of "hating".  The leftard always accuses anyone to their right of some form of "hate" for opposing the Marxist agenda.  What they mean is anything less than enthusiastic approval.  If you don't immediately and joyfully endorse faggotry, Blacks and their crimes, illegal aliens, clitoris-cutting, head-chopping Muslims and the like, you're branded a "hater".  There isn't a dimes worth of difference between them and you.  If you're utterly indifferent, believers say you "hate".  Well, guess what:  I still don't care.

This brings us to "innocent people".  Zygotes and embryos are not people, full stop.  If I can tease apart a dividing zygote into 8 separate blastocysts, did I just make 7 new people?  That's your level of thinking, and anyone who believes that sort of nonsense is "full of it".  A person is a human consciousness.  When it appears for the first time, the person comes into existence.  When it is lost or destroyed, the person is dead.  We may not be able to determine the specific point of the latter conclusively for all the possible cases, but the former is much more uniform:  it normally occurs around 30 weeks (7 months).

I am willing to wink at the activities of the likes of Kermit Gosnell because one should never interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake.

Here's another Anonymous for you:

"An earlier poster was thankful for Planned Parenthood and I can second that! I have been a conservative all my life, but as for myself I am thankful for all the blacks we don’t have to deal with today because of Planned Parenthood. Millions of black babies are now gone because someone thought it a good idea not the leave their breeding unchecked."

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 31, 2015 12:12 AM  

@158: "Shut up Tad" is blog shorthand for "No-one is going to engage, you narccissitic homosexual attention whore"

So upset she can't even spell "narcissistic"; stereotypically female.  And applied to a guy who's slept with 20-odd women and exactly zero men, and to someone who is iconoclastic and couldn't care less about personal attention too.  "Fractal wrongness" applies to this.

Name-calling is a form of in-group signalling, but it is not an argument.  You'll call it success, but you just failed.

For the record, I am an iconoclast.  I have been in the echo-chambers of the left, the right, and people hard to classify.  I have been called almost every pejorative I can think of.  I don't care.  Planned Parenthood is not the enemy.  It's a diversion, and you should be smart enough to see that.

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