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Wednesday, July 29, 2015

The missed opportunity

An influential GamerGater, The Ralph Retort, supports Milo's point about the conservative media completely missing the opportunity presented by #GamerGate:
At the beginning of GamerGate, I was still a card-carrying liberal. Even though I had become disillusioned with my party, I had yet to switch my official affiliation. It’s not that I’ve changed all my positions or radically departed from my past. I just feel like my own party’s thought leaders have left me behind in a very real way. I was being called right-wing by people who had never done any real activism or volunteering at all. They sat on Twitter and spammed #killallmen constantly, so that made them good leftists. Fuck that shit and fuck anyone who subscribes to it. I don’t have to toe their line, and I won’t.

Don’t get me wrong: rank-and-file Democrats still disagree with these people on radical feminism. I was just personally tired of being called out over PC concerns and feminist bullshit. Plus, both parties are so fucking corrupt that I don’t see a point in giving either one my vote automatically. So, that’s why I personally switched. Even from the start, though, I was willing to put any kind of political affiliation to the side in order to fight SJWs. I saw Milo’s very first thread on 4chan. Some people were up in arms that we were going to be identified as a conservative movement. What these dopes failed to realize was, we were always going to be labeled as right-wing by the media. I already knew it simply because I had been experiencing it for years, like I just told you.

This whole time, I kept waiting for the conservative media to jump in, en masse. It never really happened. I guess some of them were too cowardly to go up against the feminists. Maybe they were afraid to be falsely labeled as harassers. I don’t know what the problem was, but I know we were waiting for their support and it never materialized. Where was Fox News, for fuck’s sake? Talk radio? They left us out on the battlefield by ourselves with Milo, Based Mom, Cathy Young, R.S. McCain (great column by him here) and a couple others. Mike Cernovich stepped up as well, although I wouldn’t really call him establishment. He’s been taking great glee at shitting on those guys all week. While I like Ms. Young, I can certainly understand his frustration over some things. I have it too.

There’s still time for them to jump in, but it does feel like they missed the boat last fall.
I really thought that once anti-GamerGate managed to get Anita Sarkeesian in TIME and have GG pilloried in televised dramas as well as in the Washington Post, Fox News was going to recognize it as a story and jump in. But for some reason, they never did. Nor, as Ralph observes, did any of the major talkers or columnists, not even any of the younger ones that you would expect to be at least somewhat conversant with games.

I suspect that there were multiple reasons for this, generational, political, and tonal.

I'm about as old as a gamer in the media gets. There is a very clear divide between people who are only one or two years older than I am and everyone younger. The conservative media is pretty old, and many of the younger media figures are female. So, I strongly suspect that most of the conservative media figures who were peripherally aware of #GamerGate simply couldn't make heads or tails of what was going on. And, as we've seen with "cuckservative", they are really uncomfortable with the vulgar way that gamers, especially channers, communicate.

On the political side, conservatives are almost as afraid of being accused of being sexist as racist. So, the fact that the media so readily swallowed and pushed the "gamers are harassing poor defenseless women" pretty much guaranteed that the conservative media would be about as likely to get on board with GamerGate as with ISIS. And, as we've seen with "cuckservative", about all that is needed to keep the conservative media away is to cry raciss.

And then there is the tonal aspect. The conservative media, for all its pretensions, is moderate at heart. They spend as much time tone-policing and denouncing the "extremists" on the right as they do attacking the left. Since the GamerGate tone is cheerfully extremist, the conservative media was always more likely to take shots at it than support it.

Granted, the success that both GamerGate and the Puppies have had is causing some in the conservative media to come around a little. That, and the fact that the mainstream organizations they follow, such as NPR and the Wall Street Journal, are paying attention, albeit negative, to GG and the Puppies, has caused them to take another look. But given their reaction to "cuckservative" and Trump, I expect most of them to continue to largely ignore GamerGate until the next big success or two.

At that point, no doubt we'll see books like The GamerGate Manifesto and The New Puppy Order being written by people who have never had anything to do with either GamerGate or the Puppies and published by Regnery. It's not until the coopters and self-seekers and parade-leaders show up that one knows a movement has truly broken through to the mainstream.

And I think the shills will be very surprised to learn what sort of reception they'll get. GG ain't no tea party and Rabid Puppies won't hesitate to tear off the hand that tries to put the leash on.

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145 Comments:

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) July 29, 2015 9:00 AM  

This........" It's not until the coopters and self-seekers and parade-leaders show up that one knows a movement has truly broken through to the mainstream."............

brought to mind this quote attributed to Mark Twain:

“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Blogger Salt July 29, 2015 9:06 AM  

GG ain't no tea party and Rabid Puppies won't hesitate to tear off the hand that tries to put the leash on.

So the party hasn't even begun yet. Good times, they are a coming.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 9:18 AM  

The dual issues... their distaste for extremism and the simple fact that they are old and out-of-touch pretty much insures that the mainstream right media will never come around to gamergate. In fact I expect them to sit out the culture war completely.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 29, 2015 9:27 AM  

Conservatives seem to desperately love Order, and it appears that there is no principal that they will not sacrifice to maintain it.

Blogger Alexander Thompson July 29, 2015 9:29 AM  

When GamerGate begin I saw it as inherently right wing. Taking on the memes and tactics of the left wing. I waited for someone to notice. Once it got on Breitbart surely Hannity or Limbaugh would notice... But no. They lost an opportunity to convert gamers from the default.

I just assumed it was because old guys see it as a waste of time to play video games. Social media is seen as a waste of time too. They mock both.

The right wing media is out of touch and can only communicate to my grandmother through Fox News.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 9:32 AM  

"The right wing media is out of touch and can only communicate to my grandmother through Fox News."

ding ding ding

Anonymous Andy July 29, 2015 9:33 AM  

I don't disagree with Vox often, but I disagree that there is a mainstream anymore. There is no mainstream anymore to break into. That's why Trump is killing it. The mainstream finally died. People see their favorite blogger, talk show host, or friend as the authority in their lives.

Yes, there is a small core of old people who are still programmed by the media, and some young people on the left who find it useful to buy into the fiction of, "Well, only the NYT is reputable," but other than that, the mainstream is whatever goes viral on the internet.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 29, 2015 9:35 AM  

Conservatives steadfastly refuse to leave the year 1945.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 29, 2015 9:42 AM  

It's about advertising. I thought this was common knowledge.

The "media" aren't in the news business. Their entire business model is selling soap (commercials) for P&G. And since P&G is always triangulating the muddy middle, anything that is remotely confrontational to the Main Narrative will be avoided like the plague.

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 9:45 AM  

"Conservatives steadfastly refuse to leave the year 1945."

It was the last time they really won anything.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 29, 2015 9:52 AM  

The muddy middle of the last 30 years was characterized by little conviction and little cohesion, but it was dominant.

As social mood rolls over in earnest (it topped 15 years ago, I think) that muddy middle's lack of cohesion & conviction will give way to fragmenting, very cohesive, with burning conviction heterogeneous allegiances. If cohesion & conviction are the Z-axis, the "old days" of moderation were X,Y = 5,5 and Z = 1.

As unison turns to disharmony, people will scatter on the X,Y into numerous, numerically smaller camps, but the Z will be 8's and 9's and 10's. It is the High Z that will generate bloody conflict.

As this inevitably progresses, advertisers will be at a total loss. The "big opportunity" demographics to whom they intent to sell their wares will disappear.

This will also mean the "dominant" media will either join up to one of those camps, or they will go the way of the Do-Do.

Prechter predicted 20 years ago that as social mood plummeted people would spontaneously gather on the street to scream at other groups.

Blogger Alexander July 29, 2015 9:54 AM  

Conservatives seem to desperately love Order, and it appears that there is no principal that they will not sacrifice to maintain it.

At least if they were competent, they'd have something. But when you sacrifice everything and you still fail... oops.

Blogger Rabbi B July 29, 2015 9:58 AM  

"In fact I expect them to sit out the culture war completely."

That's what happens when you're not really, truly principally driven. Principles are not supposed to change, they are not something to water down, or to take a poll on. It's not a war that very many have any real stomach for. These people are not in the race to win and are happy with a t-shirt or a participation ribbon.

They are certainly not a group to wring our hands over. If they're not for us they're against us, if they're not gathering stones, they're scattering. There maybe a fence, but it's not made for sitting on. Pick a side and get busy, we have our work cut out for us. It's never about the numbers, but it is very much about who is willing to dig in and stick it out for the long game.

Even the good L-rd can't stomach the lukewarm, why should we?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 29, 2015 9:59 AM  

The right wing media is out of touch and can only communicate to my grandmother through Fox News.

A large percentage of Fox News' viewers appear to suffer from ED and incontinence.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 29, 2015 9:59 AM  

Oh, and they want you to get off their damn lawn.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 29, 2015 10:03 AM  

To clarify: the fragmentation of the muddy middle will be to camps that are themselves very homogeneous. They will sandbag their positions and go to war...rhetorically only at first.

It's funny to see the victim crowd begin to break up into its constituents and begin that war among themselves.

Anonymous The other robot July 29, 2015 10:08 AM  

OT, but they really want me to vote in the Hugos. Last day to vote is Friday.

Good thing I already voted.

Now, let's see what the outcome is.

Anonymous Paddington July 29, 2015 10:16 AM  

@7 Andy

"...There is no mainstream anymore to break into. That's why Trump is killing it. The mainstream finally died. ..."

Ooooh, Andy. I don't totally and completely agree - the mainstream is still in hospice, but Good Eye, nonetheless.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 29, 2015 10:17 AM  

It's partly age, but there's also a stark difference of cultures between the people who are at home in the wide-open frontier of the Internet, and everyone else. As I said yesterday about Usenet, the culture that tolerated and even reveled in groups like alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die was built and grown by people my and Vox's age and older. They'd get a kick out of Encyclopedia Dramatica, whether or not parts of it offended them, and they're all 45+ now.

Show ED to the people who think #cuckservative is beyond the pale, and you'd better have smelling salts ready. The old media, regardless of age or political affiliation, functions in a highly regulated culture, even if the regulations are unspoken. They all know what topics are taboo and how far you can go, and only rarely do they slip and cross their own lines. So when they come into contact with people who not only cross the lines, but piss on the line and say, "So, whaddya gonna do about it, Shirley?" they feel faint.

Just this morning, I was listening to a radio interview about the way Twitter mobs (they didn't know enough to call them SJWs) are getting people fired almost instantly for things as small as a racist comment a decade ago. They were agreeing how ridiculous that is, when one of them mentioned someone in sports who got fired/suspended for tweeting 9/11 Truther theories. Instantly, one of the guys said, "Oh, but that's different; 3000 people died there and it started a war. You can't compare that to a racist comment years ago. Some things are on another level." His pontificating about the evils of suppression of free speech came to a sudden halt on that topic.

So none of them in the mainstream news/entertainment industry really believe in free speech, not in the way the Internet culture has taken for granted for decades. They believe in free speech for the things they agree with, and some things they disagree with but are willing to tolerate, and that's all. So there was no chance that they were going to team up with people they knew wouldn't respect the same taboos.

Anonymous The other robot July 29, 2015 10:17 AM  

This came up in one of the earlier postings: Open Source Software and Feelings

If it is not a parody then it seems to be another attempt by SJWs to take over a male domain.

I suspect that no (useful) software will result from the conference or any of the participants.

Meanwhile, aging white males continue to contribute ... including this aging white male.

Anonymous Stephen J. July 29, 2015 10:25 AM  

@5: "I just assumed it was because old guys see it as a waste of time to play video games. Social media is seen as a waste of time too. They mock both."

More generically, the hardcore, social-media-savvy gamer is a product of a very specific socioeconomic profile -- a certain age, a certain income level, a certain quotient of free leisure time, certain aesthetic and leisure interests, certain preferences for social interaction models, far likelier to be male than female -- and it doesn't surprise me that there isn't a lot of demographic overlap with the people currently driving the right-wing media, who by definition are usually older and live almost completely outside those interaction circles. (To me and a lot of people my age "video game" still conjures up blacklit arcades, pizza-joint machines and Pac-Man more strongly than it ever will Playstation or Gears of War.)

And after all, the whole point of GamerGate that it was not "right-wing" in any broad or specific sense except insofar as it defended one key goal: "Leave us alone to play the games we like, and don't wreck the industry by forcing it to make games the majority of the audience will find boring." Heck, the only reason the left-leaning media were ever interested in the topic was because they had a performance profile into which they could neatly slot the SJ efforts, because the SJ assault was primarily about the politics and the posturing; the games as games were only an incidental battlefield.

Blogger Shimshon July 29, 2015 10:29 AM  

alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die

Ah, good memories.

Blogger BlueCat July 29, 2015 10:46 AM  

Most of the non young in DC - even those who are relatively attuned - neither understand what #gamergate is nor know of it. I, for one, had to do a lot of research to understand it, and frankly I am still unclear. It's not an easy story to tell for a world where stories need to be simple.

Blogger hank.jim July 29, 2015 10:48 AM  

I will have to defend the conservative media in this case. In this case, conservatives need to conserve their political capital. They have to pick their battles. Even though this is clearly a SJW war against gamers, how do you define it in political terms? It appears to be a video games preference issue that later morphed into science fiction. It is not mainstream. But in a roundabout way, certainly it touches on the politics of its members as that is essentially the problem. There's nothing Fox News can do about it. Those in the know already know. Raising the issue for a 1 minute news segment is a waste of resources.

As for missing the opportunity, just look at Congress. Its as if the Republicans aren't in control. Conservatives and Republicans are at odds. I don't even trust Fox News anyways and I certainly don't watch them.

Blogger bob k. mando July 29, 2015 10:56 AM  

VD
An influential GamerGater, The Ralph Report,



that's the "Ralph Re*t*ort". it even says so in your hyperlink.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 29, 2015 10:56 AM  

old guys see it as a waste of time to play video games.

For a long time now, guys who spend time with computers, whether gaming or programming, have been seen as anti-social nerds, and thus easily dismissed and ridiculed. That's been true since at least the 80s, when PCs made it more of a "wunderkind in the basement" thing and less an "IBM engineer in the office" thing. And it wasn't without some justification.

But every group has exceptions. There are guys who spend time with computers AND play in rock bands, shoot guns, lift weights, bang hot chicks, and so on. And social media is allowing them to connect with each other like everyone else, and they're speaking up. They might be nerds, but they're also jocks, so they don't mind a good fight. But being part-nerd, they're good at understanding and using (and abusing, if necessary) the online tools created by other nerds, once they decide to do so.

The non-nerd mainstream, including conservatives, saw "gamers" and assumed they were a bunch of Sheldons who could and should be ignored. It never occurred to them to wonder if these guys had a point, let alone whether they could be a useful ally.

Anonymous VFM 0264 July 29, 2015 10:59 AM  

"Even the good L-rd can't stomach the lukewarm, why should we?"

I do love your posts Rabbi B. Thank you for taking the time to make them.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 11:06 AM  

" Its as if the Republicans aren't in control. "

Republicoward is a better word that cuckservative..... because conservatives are not the problem... republicans are.

Blogger Alexander July 29, 2015 11:10 AM  

No, cuckservative is a better word because it resonates. Also, I like the idea that the cuckservative claims to be the father of the conservative, the rightful elder to be looked up to... but we all know better.

Anonymous Soga July 29, 2015 11:11 AM  

Nate, Republicoward doesn't have quite the same cut that cuckservative does. Coward isn't really an insult for these people. It's a badge of honor for them, especially since being cowards means they get to attend these really crazy parties the leftists throw, and NOT be the target of Presidential Dinner roast comedians.

But call them cuckservatives... ouch. Cuts really close and personal, as if they were hiding something they didn't want us knowing. Why else would they be so obsessed with the idea that cuckold porn was by definition a racist thing?

Coward doesn't suggest they have skeletons in their closet. Cuck does.

Blogger Rabbi B July 29, 2015 11:13 AM  

"They have to pick their battles."

Yeah, and they suck at picking them as much as fighting them.

"Even though this is clearly a SJW war against gamers, how do you define it in political terms?"

That's precisely the point. Nothing is off limits with the "SJW entryists." It's political wherever they are and whatever they're doing. We must be astute enough to recognize them and be willing to stand up and fight them everywhere.

"Raising the issue for a 1 minute news segment is a waste of resources."

How so? More wasteful than sitting on your hands and doing nothing? One minute news segments are the extent of their "resources?"

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 29, 2015 11:15 AM  

Nate is correct the average Internet WN is a mentally damaged nihilist, and they have taken to cuckservative. But the issue here are the conservatives who do the left's dirty work and they deserve far worse than the powerless WN

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 29, 2015 11:17 AM  

As for missing the opportunity, just look at Congress. Its as if the Republicans aren't in control. Conservatives and Republicans are at odds. I don't even trust Fox News anyways and I certainly don't watch them.

It became very apparent several years ago to me that Fox News isn't for the conservative, it's for the Establishment Republicans. They only intersect with conservatism in passing.

Blogger Rabbi B July 29, 2015 11:25 AM  

" . . . it's for the Establishment Republicans. They only intersect with conservatism in passing."

They remind me of the nobles as portrayed in Gibson's "Braveheart." Always looking out too much for their own interests to be of any real use in a war that is clearly winnable.

Anonymous Soga July 29, 2015 11:26 AM  

Also, another reason being called cuckservative hurts them so much is that it's basically openly and memetically calling them traitors.

If it was just one guy saying it, they would shrug.

But turn it into a weaponized meme, and now they get really uncomfortable... people KNOW they're traitors and are now calling them out on it right in the open, and it's catching more and more fire.

Anonymous Susan July 29, 2015 11:27 AM  

@32, MantraMan, those aren't conservatives, those are GOP moderates who have forgotten who brought them to the dance. Hence cuckservative and why it is hitting the bullseye everywhere.

Moderates are nothing more than roadkill, and everyone knows where you find that. In the middle of the road.

Blogger Chester Lyman July 29, 2015 11:30 AM  

If the establishment conservatives had tried to jump on Gamergate, they'd have killed it just like they did the Tea Party.

Anonymous Trimegistus July 29, 2015 11:31 AM  

Data point: I'm nearly 50, was an early(ish) Usenet user, and try to stay current. But I've never been part of gaming culture. Most of what I know about GamerGate had to come from secondary sources like this blog.

Now: most people, and definitely most conservatives, are even less knowledgeable than I am. You can tell them absolutely anything about "computers" and they'll believe it. Plus many of the older ones still have lingering traces of the "Dungeons and Dragons is dangerous" meme in their brains. So to them it makes perfect sense that people who play Dungeons and Dragons on the Internet are doing bad stuff.

Blogger Rabbi B July 29, 2015 11:32 AM  

"Cuckservative" hits them where it counts, or in their case, doesn't count for as much as it used to.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 July 29, 2015 11:32 AM  

@23 Most of the non young in DC - even those who are relatively attuned - neither understand what #gamergate is nor know of it.

It's pretty simple. Gamers wanted to be left alone to do their hobby in peace - play video games - but a bunch of busybodies decided they were having wrongfun. The nannies declared they felt unwelcome (which they were since they didn't actually want to be part of the community, they wanted to run it), snuck in through the back door, tried to hold everyone hostage, declared themselves dictators for life, and demanded obeisance to an arbitrary list of ever-changing demands (regulations). Oh, and tithing (shaming articles.) Gamers said "challenge accepted."

The Guild Hall Putsch failed. Miserably.

So, yeah, I'm perplexed why the people in DC would fail to sympathize with the gamers.

(Never get in an online pissing match with people who relish camping.)

Blogger BlueCat July 29, 2015 11:38 AM  

@40The Guild Hall Putsch failed. Miserably..

And that's exactly the point at which the story gets fuzzy. The first part is the part most people can readily understand. How the "win" was accomplished is what people don't get.

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 11:43 AM  

"Republicoward is a better word that cuckservative..... because conservatives are not the problem... republicans are."

Republicuck? Cuckpublican?

Blogger Chester Lyman July 29, 2015 11:48 AM  

@42 Emergent phenomena such as "cuckservative," are better than rationally constructed focus group terms, like, meh, "Republicuck."

The best ideas are accidental.

Anonymous IsMise July 29, 2015 11:50 AM  

39. Rabbi B
Trying to shame the shameless is kind of like spitting in the wind,

Anonymous Soga July 29, 2015 11:52 AM  

David, these are slightly better, but they still don't quite achieve the memetic power of cuckservative. You're trying to mash two words together with no regard for the aesthetics of the resulting word.

Cuckservative has aesthetic because it almost spells like conservative. It looks like it could be a legitimate English word, not just a random portmanteau. It's poetic, catchy, and a juicy insult that speaks right to the primal brain.

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 11:57 AM  

"David, these are slightly better, but they still don't quite achieve the memetic power of cuckservative. You're trying to mash two words together with no regard for the aesthetics of the resulting word."

I prefer cuckservative as well. The fact that they react so strongly to it is proof it's best because they know what it means.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 29, 2015 11:57 AM  

"102. Nate July 29, 2015 7:18 AM
...
and thus... once the majority of those using the term "cuckservative" were White Nationalists morons... who were using it to mean "dude who likes black people" I lost interest.
...
"




Giving up on a rhetorical tool just because someone you dislike is using it is like refusing to use a particular gun because someone you dislike uses it.

And just because someone uses a tool in ways not intended by its inventor does not invalidate the tool.

I would have thought you, Nate, would be immune to smears.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 29, 2015 11:58 AM  

"40. Elocutioner0226 July 29, 2015 11:32 AM
...
(Never get in an online pissing match with people who relish camping.)
"


This^

But there's more.
It's spawn camping.
It's ganking.
It's griefing.
It's playing a fundamentally different game than everyone else and winning both your game (different rules) and the game your avatar is in (game world) because you made the other players rage quit or get so psyched out they can't function.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 July 29, 2015 12:00 PM  

@41 How the "win" was accomplished is what people don't get.

Here's the gamers response to aGG:
"Fuck your stupid pathetic lies. Nobody believes your bullshit, not even you. You can't shame us, we've been shaming each other since fucking Pong.

And you picked a fight with us.

You can't run. You can't hide. You have no honor, no shame, no dignity. We'll find you anywhere online and we're going to use your favorite tactics against you. You will get no quarter. Repent now and be gone while you can.

We're going to burn you and your institutions to the ground and salt the earth with your tears. And we're going to have fun while doing it. And then teabag your rotting corpse.

Congratulations, you're our new chew toy."

And the cuckservatives won't get it either until they're shamed out of their stupidity for supporting leftwing groupthink. They reminisce about how awesome Reagan was, but when was the last time they actually fought and won an ideological battle? Not in my lifetime.

The #cuckservative hashtag is deliberately reframing the fight onto our terms. The silent majority have eyes, they know the score, but they largely don't want to step outside of social norms. Redefine the norms and gain strength from legions of new recruits in the culture war. No thought police, no tone police.

OpenID ymarsakar July 29, 2015 12:03 PM  

Where was Fox News, for fuck’s sake? Talk radio? They left us out on the battlefield by ourselves with Milo

The Leftist propaganda is that Fox News is a complete ally of conservatives, and thus the enemy. But that's the propaganda. The reality is different, as usual.

Take this as a lesson on what not to believe, in why certain things should be confirmed by your own eyes, not by your Authorities.

Blogger Daniel July 29, 2015 12:06 PM  

Neoconservatives aren't conservatives, either, Nate. That is why Republicans, not real conservatives, are pissed off at "cuckservative." Don't forget that sjws don't give a damn about justice. Literal justice warriors - like yourself - wouldn't even dream that the sjw slur could be intended for you.

Cuckservative describes pseudoconservatives.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 12:10 PM  

"I would have thought you, Nate, would be immune to smears."

I don't care about the smears. I very much enjoy the commentary on this particular blog.. and the term attracts idiot commentors like flies to shit.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 12:11 PM  

"Cuckservative describes pseudoconservatives."

agreed.

Blogger bob k. mando July 29, 2015 12:12 PM  

47. Athor Pel July 29, 2015 11:57 AM
Giving up on a rhetorical tool just because someone you dislike is using it is like refusing to use a particular gun because someone you dislike uses it.



what if a gun i can't stand is being used by someone i do like ...

Nate has a Glock.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 12:13 PM  

ReCUCKLican seems good to me.

Blogger Josh July 29, 2015 12:13 PM  

Some SPLC retard called nate a cuckservative because nate likes college football.

So already the term has been hijacked to refer to anyone who might have a positive attitude towards some black people

Blogger BlueCat July 29, 2015 12:18 PM  

@49. Thank you. I very much appreciate that you took the time to respond. I now understand.

RS McCain is the closest thing to mainstream out there - or maybe Instapundit - but neither of them articulated the methods used by #GG, other than to say that (some) advertisers folded and that Max Read no longer has a gig.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 29, 2015 12:21 PM  

There is a very clear divide between people who are only one or two years older than I am and everyone younger.

You know, I do believe there's the germ of a very important idea there....

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 12:22 PM  

"So already the term has been hijacked to refer to anyone who might have a positive attitude towards some black people "

And there's no way it can be reclaimed right?

Blogger Josh July 29, 2015 12:24 PM  

And there's no way it can be reclaimed right?

It could be, sure. But my prediction is that cuckservative will be expanded to refer to anyone who attempts to reclaim it.

Notice the fetish with boehner's black son in law, for instance. Or that Nickelodeon show.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 29, 2015 12:27 PM  

It's kind of interesting to consider the list of people who have been fired and purged from National Review. Start way, way back at the beginning with the John Birch Society and Ayn Rand. Since then there must have been dozens, two of the most notable being Pat Buchanan and John Derbyshire.

Fucking idiots at NR. Stupidity and weakness. Especially weakness.

Blogger Rabbi B July 29, 2015 12:28 PM  

@49

"They reminisce about how awesome Reagan was, but when was the last time they actually fought and won an ideological battle? Not in my lifetime."

Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far a way there were men willing to pledge their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" in an ideological endeavor in which they had more to lose than to gain . . . today, everywhere we turn, there are only men willing to invest their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor in endeavors which bolster their own credibility.

The problem with the "establishment" is that it is established - too much so.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 12:31 PM  

"Nate has a Glock."

Nate has several Glocks. A couple .45s and a 10mm.

owning and liking are not the same.

Blogger Giraffe July 29, 2015 12:32 PM  

If I find out you also have a mini 14 I'll lose all faith in you.

Blogger VD July 29, 2015 12:36 PM  

"Republicoward is a better word that cuckservative..... because conservatives are not the problem... republicans are."

No, it's not. You cannot judge rhetoric by dialectical standards.

Republicuck? Cuckpublican?

Neither. The word that inspires the butthurt is "cuckservative". The reason it is so effective is because it is rhetorically true. The average cuckservative will come right out and declare he doesn't give a damn about his race or his ethnicity and demand to know why he should.

But here is the important thing. You didn't coin it. You didn't make it effective. And you don't get to improve it.

Blogger VD July 29, 2015 12:37 PM  

And there's no way it can be reclaimed right?

All terms are misused in some capacity. It doesn't matter what it is. Why are you so terrified that someone, somewhere, might not use a word in a manner that you approve?

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 12:38 PM  

"It could be, sure. But my prediction is that cuckservative will be expanded to refer to anyone who attempts to reclaim it.

Notice the fetish with boehner's black son in law, for instance. Or that Nickelodeon show."

The nickelodeon show is aimed at kids and is made by a notorious pervert. It's a legitimate target. Boehner's black son in law is just hilarious and looks like a typical case of "FUCK YOU DAD" by his daughter.

At any rate, cuckservative was never our word to begin with. MPC and 4chan have been using it for years, it's only now that the Right has grown a pair that it's come into popularity. We've already begun reclaiming with Vox, Milo, and Cernovich using it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 29, 2015 12:40 PM  

@Rabbi B

re:39

"Cuckservative" hits them where it counts, or in their case, doesn't count for as much as it used to.

Part of it is Old Men's Fears. There was a genuinely right wing media during the 1950s and before. Basically independent radio stations. These were stomped out in the 1960s by the FCCs Fairness Doctrine . Just about the time conservative newspapers started getting seriously muzzled.

By the 1970s the only conservative who was being permitted any air time whatsoever was Bill Buckley. He was unofficially, The Respected Conservative. The one the rest of the media had agreed they would pretend was an elder statesman equal.

They are still taking Buckley as a model. They are still craving some little bit of acceptance from the MSM even though they have to know they will never get it.

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 12:41 PM  

"All terms are misused in some capacity. It doesn't matter what it is. Why are you so terrified that someone, somewhere, might not use a word in a manner that you approve?"

I'm not worried about it being misused. My question to Josh was sarcastic.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 12:41 PM  

the problem here is... "cuckservative" is a usefull tool because it is so well aimed. Everyone knows exactly what you mean when you say it.

but as people start applying it to everyone from Thomas Jefferson to college football fans.. that advanced targeting that makes it so useful... will be less and less effective.

Thus the term itself will use the utility that made it valuable.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 12:45 PM  

"
All terms are misused in some capacity. It doesn't matter what it is. Why are you so terrified that someone, somewhere, might not use a word in a manner that you approve?"

Because the accuracy of the term is what makes it useful. once it becomes just another word like "nazi" its no longer valuable to us.

And that is obviously already happening.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 July 29, 2015 12:45 PM  

@57 BlueCat

You're welcome. We just wanted to be left alone to do our thing. That was the founding principle of this country, it is ingrained in our culture. For people of Anglo and northern European descent it takes a lot of abuse but once the switch is flipped it's to the death.

And that is the deal with cuckservative. We've been abused for decades but the leadership is made of the busybodies telling us to save our political capital, pick our fights, concede one more time, etc. We just wanted to be left alone and kept electing these people to represent us so we could go about our business. But they haven't represented us. They mock us, lie to us, endebt and enslave us, import unassimilating immigrants to replace us, have their enablers try to shame us for badthinkz, and deliver us a false choice on the ballot.

That is ending. The fools defending the status quo with the GOP are enemy. "You have to vote for Jeb or Hillary will win!" "This is the most important election ever!" "How outrageous that Cruz said McConnell lied, even with three Senators backing him up!"

We're done. We need to clean this mess up ourselves and that means removing the gatekeepers and their flunkies. Whether the flunkies are smart enough to recognize their own complicity or not is not my problem. The smarter ones will shut up and shift with the winds, the dumber ones will melt down on Twitter and go Star Wars Kid on their blogs as the badfeelz set in.

Similar to how some games journalism sites decided that they were the rightful rulers of gaming since they hadn't received much real push back up to that point.

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 12:46 PM  

"Everyone knows exactly what you mean when you say it."

That's all the more reason for those who use it correctly to use it more often and more loudly. We can't and shouldn't stop using it just because some stormfags use it incorrectly, otherwise we'll never be able to say anything.

Blogger Josh July 29, 2015 12:50 PM  

Because the accuracy of the term is what makes it useful. once it becomes just another word like "nazi" its no longer valuable to us.

And that is obviously already happening.


Basically what happened is that you had an awesome one shot kill sniper rifle and now a bunch of retards got a hold of it and started indiscriminately shooting it at everyone.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 12:50 PM  

"We can't and shouldn't stop using it just because some stormfags use it incorrectly, otherwise we'll never be able to say anything. "

I'm not telling you to not saying it. I'm just pointing out that its going to become useless and already is becoming useless.

have fun..

I was using it. My experience doing so indicated to me that it was a bad idea. if something attracts that many flies... I figure it must be closely related to shit.

Blogger Josh July 29, 2015 12:51 PM  

I was using it. My experience doing so indicated to me that it was a bad idea. if something attracts that many flies... I figure it must be closely related to shit.

It's like the bat signal but instead of a bat it's an ss symbol

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 12:57 PM  

and you end up having to attempt to a rational conversation with someone that really believes there is a racial conspiracy in college sports.

don't get me wrong.. I love a good conspiracy...

But when you talking HBD out of one side of your mouth... and then claiming that black people aren't really fast and explosive..because conspiracy. yer a dumb dumb.

Blogger Rabbi B July 29, 2015 12:59 PM  

"They are still craving some little bit of acceptance from the MSM even though they have to know they will never get it.'

Which is what I don't get. Why not let your own principles and the truths which you hold validate your cause? Why the obsessive compulsion to seek validation and acceptance from the so-called MSM, or anywhere else? Let your cause stand or fall on its own merits.

Why is so important to be "liked" and "accepted" all of the time? I understand that it's not pleasant to be vilified and marginalized etc., but are we so obtuse to think that a war exists where there is no opposition? Where there is no fighting? Where there are no weapons?

Our weapons are superior to theirs, we just can't seem to figure out which end is the dangerous end and which direction to point them if our lives depended on it.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 29, 2015 1:00 PM  

Carry on Milo!!

While it is never too late to join in, support GG and support our men. Attn to this issue should have been given.

What a epic failure to our lukewarm pseudo (airheads) brethren as they truly failed. Ah, they were too busy with non issues, distractions and a wish to distance themselves from video games - all thanks to the pitiful SJWs.

Did not we become aware of this last year and see the tone of what/where SJWs wanted to take an industry? In Witch they have zero business being involved in let alone have any knowledge of gaming if at all?!

Meanwhile let us recall, "Success comes most swiftly and completely not to the greatest or perhaps even to the ablest men, but to those whose gifts are most completely in harmony with the taste of their times."

The media goofed. The lady Witches goofed too.

However, the media and punditry might have made things worse. Sometimes we trade another alliance or problem for another problem or alliance.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 29, 2015 1:04 PM  

man.....this "cuckservative" meme is triggering the concern-trolling like I've never seen before.

Blogger VD July 29, 2015 1:04 PM  

My experience doing so indicated to me that it was a bad idea. if something attracts that many flies... I figure it must be closely related to shit.

You have it backwards. It is success that draws imitators and charlatans, not failure. What you see as a problem is actually a sign of its effectiveness.

Anonymous Nathanael July 29, 2015 1:05 PM  

"So already the term has been hijacked to refer to anyone who might have a positive attitude towards some black people "

If anything #cuckservative is a war between people who want a white majority and people who want/are consigned to a Hispanic majority; blacks are tangential to the main point.

Anonymous Soga July 29, 2015 1:08 PM  

Spot on, Vox. Remember, Nate, flies are attracted to both honey and shit.

This is a shitload of honey. You're gonna see a lot of flies.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 29, 2015 1:11 PM  

Takin' a look: "man.....this "cuckservative" meme is triggering the concern-trolling like I've never seen before."

Yes. I think that's a good sign,

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 1:20 PM  

"What you see as a problem is actually a sign of its effectiveness."

I never said it wasn't effective. I agree its effective. and I agree a good tool shows up.. and everyone suddenly wants to use it.

unfortunately when the idiots get their hands on it... they break it. Because they don't understand it.

Its largely like the church. entryist see an effective tool and want to use it for their own purposes so they take it over... and destroy it in the process.

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 29, 2015 1:24 PM  

As Erick Erickson gets on the cross with Michelle and now says that WND.com and Breitbart and InfoWars and Chateau Heartiste are all of one thread and all anti-Christian (Joseph Farah would sure be perplexed about that...), I realize their biggest complaint is that "#cuckservative" is a critique from the alt right to the "acceptable" right of how they've failed to live up to their own creed and commands, and they don't like being told that, once again, the acceptable right is a paper wrapper around full-on commie wet dreams.

Love they neighbor - how do you love your neighbor if you have made sure he has no job in 15 years, with more work permits issued than new jobs created this century? How do you love your neighbor if you import new voting blocs to rule over him? How do you love your neighbor if you take away his children's education because resources must be diverted to teaching in languages other than that of his family, his tribe, his nation? How do you love your neighbor if you import foreigners to take more of his tax money in social welfare benefits, or to cut in front of him in line for those same benefits, or to give them preferential treatment over him since, well, he was here and they're new arrivals so therefore better?

The reason "love thy neighbor as thyself" is the command and not, say, love everybody - it's easy to intellectualize helping somebody across the globe, or from some poor, lesser civilization (which is a form of smug self-righteous benevolent racism), but it's hard to care about the needs of the guy whose dog craps on your lawn and who drives that godawful rattletrap Dodge pickup that spews black smoke into the air and offends you when you're gardening.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 1:24 PM  

you guys seem to think I'm telling you not to use it. I'm not. Have at it. Like I said... Vox tweeted my own use of it.

i'm saying I don't think it is the game changer you folks are so excited about.

Blogger bob k. mando July 29, 2015 1:25 PM  

55. Nate July 29, 2015 12:13 PM
ReCUCKLican seems good to me.



okay, NOW you're just trolling.

the 'problematic' term is "cuck".

IF you attempt to insert ( heh ) 'cuck' ( heh ) into ANY adjective or noun used to refer to the nominal Right
THEN you're going to attract all of the same criticisms and all of the same Stormfag flies.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 1:29 PM  

'This is a shitload of honey. You're gonna see a lot of flies."

I don't think it is.

in every other nation we've seen the rise of an actual anti-immigration party. With the republicans going full cuckservative (see I can use it too) that will be absolutely necessary in the US as well.

That.. will be a big pot of honey.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 1:30 PM  

"okay, NOW you're just trolling."

me?

when have I ever jerked your dick like this?

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 July 29, 2015 1:30 PM  

unfortunately when the idiots get their hands on it

It's Twitter. There's no possible way to prevent idiots from getting it.

Or subversives. How many feminist or aGG hashtags did GG co-opt? #DeathEaters comes to mind.

If a handful of GG can destroy a crash of feminists then a lot of very pissed off alt-right can handle a handful of stormfront and cucks. Like we care what they think it means anyways.

Crash

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 1:33 PM  

"If a handful of GG can destroy a crash of feminists then a lot of very pissed off alt-right can handle a handful of stormfront and cucks. Like we care what they think it means anyways."

it doesn't matter if you care what they think it means. what matters is the message will be diluted by the inaccurate usage of it.

if Thomas Jefferson is a cuckservative... then we should hope and pray for more of them.

Anonymous BGS July 29, 2015 1:48 PM  

"Republicoward is a better word that cuckservative..... because conservatives are not the problem... republicans are"

Just like RHINO it has no punch. Cuckservatives wouldn't be crying racism if it didn't burn.

Giving up on a rhetorical tool just because someone you dislike is using it is like refusing to use a particular gun because someone you dislike uses it.

So if Obama used a dildo that looked like an AR-15 would #cuckservative s sell their AR-15s

Why else would they be so obsessed with the idea that cuckold porn was by definition a racist thing?
Maybe they only like geting cuckolded by blacks.

Emergent phenomena such as "cuckservative," are better than rationally constructed focus group terms...The best ideas are accidental

Think of all the other words as shit that didn't stick to the wall.

Nate owns a Glock that he wouldn't give up for $200 more than he paid for it.

Blogger VD July 29, 2015 1:51 PM  

it doesn't matter if you care what they think it means. what matters is the message will be diluted by the inaccurate usage of it.

If this were GG, you'd have gotten about 20 "STFU and email, Concern Shill!" already.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 29, 2015 1:56 PM  

"if Thomas Jefferson is a cuckservative... then we should hope and pray for more of them.

I really like the term, but calling TJ and Nate cuckservative jumps the shark more than a bit......but I'll still use it just to piss of the intended targets until it is obviously no longer effective.....

Calling TJ a cuckservative is not any more legit or effective than calling him a racist just because he was by modern SJW standards.....

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 1:59 PM  

"If this were GG, you'd have gotten about 20 "STFU and email, Concern Shill!" already."

then allow me to cross the streams.

I don't care.

Blogger Nate July 29, 2015 2:03 PM  

"Nate owns a Glock that he wouldn't give up for $200 more than he paid for it."

Correct. I would not sell a 500 dollar gun for 400 dollars.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 29, 2015 2:05 PM  

And you picked a fight with us.

That's the crux of it. #GamerGate is gamers saying, "Look, you 'normal' people never wanted us around. You ridiculed the games we like to play as kids' stuff, while paying millions of dollars to thugs to play the kind of games you like. You called us pimple-faced basement-dwelling virgins, and made us the last demographic in the world that it was safe to make fun of.

"So fine, we stayed in the basement -- less glare on the monitor there anyway -- and left you alone. And now you want to come down here and tell us what to play and how to play it? Are you nuts? Do you realize how long we've dreamed about getting you onto our turf? Is it our birthday?"

Gamers never, in a million years, would have gotten involved in things like social politics, if they'd simply been left alone. By attacking them, SJWs managed to:

- Get some of the most anti-group people around to organize for a cause.
- Show them they could win a fight in the real world.
- Get liberals and right-wingers to ally in a way that might be unprecedented.

And now, many of them, instead of going back into the basement, are looking around thinking, "You know, this stuff isn't that hard. It's actually kind of fun. Who else needs a beating?"

OpenID kbswift July 29, 2015 2:06 PM  

@ Nate

Were you this concerned about people misusing and diluting SJW?

Blogger VD July 29, 2015 2:08 PM  

I don't care.

Perhaps not. But the relevant point is that neither does anyone using it. You keep repeating the same point that everyone continues to ignore.

Which, of course, tends to belie the position that you don't care.

calling TJ and Nate cuckservative jumps the shark more than a bit

Stupid people will always misuse terms they don't understand. The importance of "cuckservative" isn't the term itself, but the indication of the turning point it marks.

Blogger bob k. mando July 29, 2015 2:11 PM  

90. Nate July 29, 2015 1:30 PM
when have I ever jerked your dick like this?



the alternative is that you're being epically ( even epochally ) dumb.

i'd prefer to think that you been picking up some bad habits from Vox.

i will admit though, i could be wrong.

this first time we ever tangled on VP was when some bimbo accused me of trying to disqualify you over your speeling and you cued off of her and started trying to amog me.

which was also pretty dumb.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 July 29, 2015 2:16 PM  

@98 You know, this stuff isn't that hard. It's actually kind of fun. Who else needs a beating?

Just when you thought it was safe to go back on Twitter...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 29, 2015 2:18 PM  

You can't get a cuck to fight for his race, foolishness to even think that. What you do is force the cuck to fight his left allies. The leverage we have is the phrase white privilege.

And college football recruiting is crooked

Anonymous patrick kelly July 29, 2015 2:24 PM  

101. bob..

"which was also pretty dumb."

Yeah, but likely entertaining for the rest of us....don't remember that thread.....just sounds like it.....

Anonymous Takin' a look July 29, 2015 2:24 PM  

Agreed Vox, this is very, very shiv to the bone. You have mewling cries of raaaayciss! Anti-semite! They are clutching their pearls, setting down on the fainting couch with the vapors and smelling salts.

" Only raaaaaycisss and jew-haters and use that silly,silly, meaningless term! You aren't a badthinker doodyhead....ARE you? (Sad eyes....)"

These idiots have NO idea what is coming....

Anonymous Soga July 29, 2015 2:28 PM  

Oh no, Mr. MantraMan, you brought college football into this. Now Nate and Josh are gonna be triggered.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 29, 2015 2:28 PM  

@Nate

What are you recommending for whiskey now? I know Bookers, but how about less expensive to replace MM?

Knob Creek, Four Roses, W..something...reserve?

Anonymous patrick kelly July 29, 2015 2:32 PM  

Hah.. Just call me Mr. Badthinker Doodyhead

Blogger bob k. mando July 29, 2015 2:45 PM  

104. patrick kelly July 29, 2015 2:24 PM
Yeah, but likely entertaining for the rest of us....don't remember that thread.....just sounds like it.....



i'd only been around for a month or two at the time and was trying to deal straight with everybody, because, you know, i was an unknown quantity dealing with a group of people who already knew each other.

when Nate went amog, i think i made one or two more replies refuting the bimbo ( i had never attempted to say that Nate's essay was wrong or drew incorrect conclusions ) and then quit VP for a couple of months.

just wasn't interested in dealing with it.

so no, there were no lulz to be had.

that was several commenting systems ago so unless the Wayback machine has it saved for some reason there's no way to go back and read the thread.

Blogger Corvinus July 29, 2015 3:05 PM  

Yeah, expecting the cuckservative media to join GamerGate is undoubtedly a tall order.

In related news, check out the latest Topsy stats on #cuckservative.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 July 29, 2015 3:10 PM  

Someone posted this Jeb meme over on Heartiste - Cuckservative Jeb

We need a meme saying "Washington cuckservatives want to replace you. Let's replace them instead."

The silent majority are waiting for a signal that what they've been saying for years behind closed doors is actually a commonly held and acceptable belief.

Blogger Corvinus July 29, 2015 3:14 PM  

@111 Elocutioner #0226

That Gamma face helps get the point across even better.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 July 29, 2015 3:21 PM  

Indeed. I wonder how much of a catalyst for this was the establishment's anointing of Jeb "Illegal immigration is an act of love" Bush.

Not a single person that I know on FB would admit to supporting the bastard. The liberals just laughed. Polling over 10%. My ass.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence July 29, 2015 3:28 PM  

Cuckservative shocks me. It is triggering people I used to think we're pretty reliable. Ace seemed like he had his head on straight. Gabe Malor is a squish and a half so his capitulation was a fait accompli. exjon seemed ornery enough to avoid the bait but he RTed Erickson's hit piece all the same.

This is a heck of a term.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 July 29, 2015 3:46 PM  

I think a lot of them are comfortable existing in and pandering to the Fox-talk radio echo chamber and haven't had their ideas challenged from the right in a looong time. (Why I love this blog - there's often something new to think about and deconstruct a leftist theory I'd absorbed decades ago).

It'll be interesting to see who is smart enough to intellectually process it before wading in and who recovers. The road to Damascus is blinding, and sometimes it begins with rage.

OpenID kbswift July 29, 2015 3:56 PM  

@110 Corvinus

Cuckservative out-tweeted GamerGate yesterday, and had as many tweets as SJW.
Definitely sounds like a start of something.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 29, 2015 3:58 PM  

"24. KBTJuly 29, 2015 3:02 PM
... Just because the current system is a vast clusterfuck also does not invalidate it.
"



The system is not broken. It is working as intended. It is producing incurious, unmotivated, habitually bored, consumerist drones. Just like it was designed to do.

Blogger bob k. mando July 29, 2015 4:33 PM  

What will be the attitude of communism to existing nationalities?

The nationalities of the peoples associating themselves in accordance with the principle of community will be compelled to mingle with each other as a result of this association and thereby to dissolve themselves, just as the various estate and class distinctions must disappear through the abolition of their basis, private property.8

Blogger Corvinus July 29, 2015 4:36 PM  

@Elocutioner #0226 @kbswift

Indeed. I wonder how much of a catalyst for this was the establishment's anointing of Jeb "Illegal immigration is an act of love" Bush.

Probably a lot. There has been resentment at the conservative establishment for a while, but the vast majority of people appear to have tolerated them and dutifully voted for their anointed candidates.

This explosion appears to be evidence that a lot of people have finally had it. We could say that #cuckservative is the GamerGate of politics.

@IndecisiveEvidence
I think the term is awesome since now we are seeing first-hand who are in fact right-wing SJWs, which usually didn't appear to be all that clear before.

Blogger bob k. mando July 29, 2015 4:36 PM  

ie - to demand that all distinctions between or observation of differences that exist between the races serves World Communism.

Anonymous FP July 29, 2015 5:46 PM  

For those who don't like the term, how about "Republicant"? Are you a republican or a repulican't?

A republican't...

can't fight against immigration/amnesty because raciss
can't fight against gay marriage because homophobia
can't fight against feminism because sexiss
can't fight against gun-grabbers because it will scare all the moderates
can't fight against welfare because bigotry
can't fight against obamacare because of all previous 5 reasons

But vote for Yeb! because hillary would be worse.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 29, 2015 6:26 PM  

"For those who don't like the term, how about "Republicant"? Are you a republican or a repulican't?"

That makes me think of replicants from Bladerunner/Electric Sheep.

"You are in a desert. You see a tortoise on a fencepost. You reach over and flip it on its back ..."

Blogger Doom July 29, 2015 6:39 PM  

Conservative media? As far as it goes, this and a few other blogs are as good as it gets in that regard. There is no more a conservative media than there is a conservative political party! Bleh.

Anonymous Rivercity Trader July 29, 2015 6:56 PM  

Johnny Drum, Buffalo Trace

OpenID mattse001 July 29, 2015 7:05 PM  

The right wing media didn't jump in because they see gaming as a juvenile pastime. They see GamerGate as the kiddie table.

Blogger rcocean July 29, 2015 7:52 PM  

So has Nate finally shut up and stopped being so "concerned"? In the other thread he was all worked up because 'cuckservative' was racist or something, but now he's just "concerned" it will be successful and be misused or will get our hopes up and then dash them.

Blogger rcocean July 29, 2015 7:54 PM  

At least the WaPo is now on Erik Erickson side. It interviewed Richard Spenser of Radix on what "cuckservative" REALLY means.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 29, 2015 9:07 PM  

Problems and conflicts are opportunities for greatness, resolution, learning and sometimes walking away from a problem that is more idiocy/emotionalism less objectivity.

If we continue to react with cold objectivity and pressure (pressure places the SJW in a hypnotic state) meanwhile our kind host and the rest of us continue pressure/coverage FOREVERMORE, Lord willing.

Blogger overcaffeinated July 29, 2015 9:39 PM  

@41

@49's response is good, but I'll add in my 2 cents. It went something like this. GamerGate calls out media for bias and collusion. Media responds with ... even more bias and collusion and expected that to work. All GamerGate really did was fastidiously document it, make the connections, and make a lot of memes. The media did the dirty work for them. Take a look at deepfreeze.it, and then imagine something like that applied to the mainstream left media -- that's the real fear. It's a vicious circle for them, because their weapons are being turned against them. The more they fight, the weaker they get; it's just Exhibit Q, R, S... in GG v. Media. Everyone who was paying attention saw what happened -- and that may not include your mainstream non-gamer, but it DOES include those within the media new class. It was demonstrated to them that some people will pay attention, they'll dig into the quid pro quo collusion networks, and they'll make them look very foolish. They're not totally defeated, of course, but GG's punctured their self-assurance quite decisively.

Blogger overcaffeinated July 29, 2015 10:09 PM  

@66 Concern trolls tried the same thing with #GamerGate. "It's been dirtied by these horrible harassers!" "I agree with the main points but you need to distance yourselves from the misogynists." No. Own the term and control it. It is what you make of it. You are the leader.

Blogger Corvinus July 29, 2015 10:12 PM  

@126 rcocean

Nate's an Alpha, so he will instinctively have his society's attitudes, including about racism. After all, you can't be a leader in a given society without being a member of that society. I suspect Josh is that way too. Hence their discomfort at my pointing out that the seeds of cuckservatism were sown by the Founding Fathers such as Jefferson. Vox and Heartiste, being Sigmas, have no such qualms.

Blogger NewAgeGOP July 29, 2015 10:13 PM  

I just got banned by Redstate for pointing out that Shakepeare used the term cuckold and objecting to cuckservative being racist. Lol. That is a sensitive cuckservative. A racist term would be Cuckcasian or Cuckasian or Cuckspanic. Cuckservative may be vulgar and insulting, but it ain't racist.

Blogger Corvinus July 29, 2015 10:18 PM  

@132 NewAgeGOP

Ha, you don't get it. Anything that helps white Europeans is "racist". The Alinsky-esque insult Cuckservative definitely qualifies.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 29, 2015 10:24 PM  

I just got banned by Redstate for pointing out that Shakepeare used the term cuckold and objecting to cuckservative being racist.

Weasel zippers said they would ban me if I used it again, even after pointing out there are no blacks doing the cuckolding in Shakespeare. They would rather call them RHINOS which projects strength.

Blogger BlueCat July 29, 2015 10:37 PM  

@129 Thanks. Interesting. Went to deepfreeze.it and read several of the articles and followed a number of links. I see now that the GG campaign is damned near perfect....ia big screw you to the SJW. Excellent.

I plan to think about how to articulate this to the masses, and will then try to create a GG cheat sheet to send around. Ya' never know when something will stick with someone - I've seen it happen many times.

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 11:16 PM  

"Hence their discomfort at my pointing out that the seeds of cuckservatism were sown by the Founding Fathers such as Jefferson."

And it's ridiculous. Even if Thomas Jefferson had "cuckservative" traits, why on Earth would you point it out? Jefferson is one of us, same with Washington, Franklin, and the rest of them. Do we really have to nitpick our own side this much? I thought that was what cuckservatives did, shoot their own.

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 11:18 PM  

"Weasel zippers said they would ban me if I used it again, even after pointing out there are no blacks doing the cuckolding in Shakespeare. They would rather call them RHINOS which projects strength. "

RHINOS. It is to laugh. These people do even rise to the level of paper tigers. They're like paper zebras. Doesn't project strength, but an easy target. Weak and easily frightened, and always prey for the predators.

Blogger Corvinus July 29, 2015 11:24 PM  

@136 David-093

They weren't perfect either, and that a lot of the progtardery we're having to deal with nowadays is in fact logically consistent with their beliefs, which is why cuckservatives also parrot it. But appealing to Da Constitutionz as if it's Holy Writ isn't going to help us out of this mess.

And what I did is not the same as what cuckservatives do, which is shoot people on their side who aren't sufficiently progtarded.

The Swiss Confederation is a better model in this case... they explicitly establish Christianity, and the denomination involved varies by canton.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 July 29, 2015 11:26 PM  

@129 It was more than that. There were also letter writing campaigns to advertisers, invasions of commenting sections, immediate in-your-face responses to the lies in all media, and pushback on every front. No ground was ceded anywhere. Kotaku is a shambling corpse today mostly because of the letter writing. The biggest benefit I think is that everybody who had felt isolated before GG because of the aGG crowd now knows that they are not alone and have a huge support network.

Blogger David-093 July 29, 2015 11:37 PM  

"They weren't perfect either, and that a lot of the progtardery we're having to deal with nowadays is in fact logically consistent with their beliefs, which is why cuckservatives also parrot it. But appealing to Da Constitutionz as if it's Holy Writ isn't going to help us out of this mess."

What we are dealing with today is most certainly not consistent with their beliefs. Franklin and the rest of the Founding Fathers made it explicitly clear that their Constitution and the Republic it's founded on would only work for a moral people. We are not a moral people any more, so all the worst excesses that the Constitution allowed for because it did not want to prevent them via tyranny and laws but by culture, morality, and Christianity, are now plaguing us.

But you're right, appealing to the Constitution won't save us. We may follow it, but there are people out there that hate it and see no reason to follow it. So, they shouldn't get the benefits of it. They don't want to be Americans? That's fine with me. Not enemies, but citizens of a foreign nation, hostile to ours and seeking to destroy it from the inside out.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact, but under the cuckservatives it is.

Anonymous Ain July 30, 2015 1:43 AM  

It's probably better that the conservative media didn't get involved. All of GG's successes are its own. It showed conservative media how to fight and win, which is something that it has been exceptionally incompetent at. Nobody can say "It wasn't X, it was Y", because Y doesn't exist. GG's strategy is successful. Conservative media would have just tried to tone police the whole thing.

Blogger BlueCat July 30, 2015 9:59 AM  

@129. Thanks again. I will keep working on a distillation to send around.

Blogger Marissa July 30, 2015 12:26 PM  

A racist term would be Cuckcasian or Cuckasian

That's actually a really good one too. The vast majority of cuckservatives are white, because only white people are expected to put on the self-flagellating minstrel show.

Anonymous Eric Ashley July 31, 2015 1:35 AM  

RINOS ain't weak. They are on the other side.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 31, 2015 7:57 PM  

Eric Ashley: "RINOS ain't weak. They are on the other side."

They support the other side but it's not mutual. That's weak.

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