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Friday, July 24, 2015

Tweaks

As you can probably tell by my use of the old Blogger template, I am not inclined to make change simply for its own sake. Few site redesigns actually improve anything; I prefer a more evolutionary approach.

With that in mind, VPIT has come up with another tweak that may, or may not, improve your VP experience. Instructions follow:

You may have noticed that the comments at Vox Popoli are now numbered sequentially.  This is useful both for remembering your stopping point in a thread and referring to individual comments when you reply.

As an additional convenience, VPIT is experimenting with a Clever Browser Trick that will convert a simple reference to the number of a previous comment into a permalink to that actual comment.  You don't have to know any HTML to make it work; just refer to the comment number like this:

@42

This should work naturally in naturally-written text, e.g.:

Vox @137, I cannot agree that you have definitively proven that SJWs subsist solely on carrots and their toenail clippings.

Nota Bene:  Because Blogspot's commenting system is clownishly poor in features, it is impossible to consistently number comments when some of them get spammed. That is, if comment 17 is by a troll and is sent to spam, what was previously comment 18 will become comment 17.

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84 Comments:

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 24, 2015 5:35 PM  

Two comments:

First, I wondered the other day how many readers here are unaware of the bold tagging codes. I have no idea if style features could be added.

Second, the numbers are helpful, but if commenters only link back without clarifying who it is they're responding to, longer threads become more confusing, IMHO. I believe I've seen this happen a bit since the new feature was introduced.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 5:37 PM  

They certainly can provided the carrots are organic and they actually bite off the clipping. That ensures they get the nuguaty textured centerand the fungusy portion that wraps around the cuticle area itself.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 5:39 PM  

NorthernHamlet @1: the numbers are helpful, but if commenters only link back without clarifying who it is they're responding to, longer threads become more confusing

I tend to agree, but Blogspot makes it extremely difficult to do much better. If everyone conforms to the pattern I used in citing you, it will be at least adequate.

Blogger Danby July 24, 2015 5:40 PM  

Vox @op, I cannot agree that you have definitively proven that SJWs subsist solely on carrots and their toenail clippings.

You forgot earwax and their own... other bodily secretions

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 July 24, 2015 5:40 PM  

Donn #114 @2, you misguided, ignorant slut.

Anonymous Scintan July 24, 2015 5:42 PM  

Nota Bene: Because Blogspot's commenting system is clownishly poor in features, it is impossible to consistently number comments when some of them get spammed. That is, if comment 17 is by a troll and is sent to spam, what was previously comment 18 will become comment 17.

Delete content - keep post number as placeholder?

Blogger MendoScot July 24, 2015 5:42 PM  

NH@1, Unless you add their handle as exemplified above.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 5:43 PM  

I'd really like to have the feature that some forums have where you can select some text in a comment, then click a button, and you're taken to a comment form with the quoted text already formatted exactly as needed.

But Blogspot uses an IFRAME for the comment form, and so nought availeth.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 5:45 PM  

Scintan @6: Delete content - keep post number as placeholder?.

Yes, that will work for two out of the four ways that comments can be shitcanned.

1. Author deletion, but the placeholder remains
2. Administrator deletes, but the placeholder remains
3. Administrator deletes with 100% Memory Hole Compliance
4. Administrator spams with 100% Memory Hole Compliance + Future Prejudice

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 24, 2015 5:50 PM  

VDIT and MendoScot,

A solution, surely. But MPAI. (Also, if you're unaware the numbers don't appear to be on mobile, though I thought they were recently).

Damn, this comment felt good. I got to type VPIT and reference MPAI. What's next, burbon at Nate's?

Anonymous Das July 24, 2015 5:51 PM  

The mobile template does not include the comment numbers in the display unfortunately. Would be nice if they could be added.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 24, 2015 5:51 PM  

I'd really like to have the feature that some forums have where you can select some text in a comment, then click a button, and you're taken to a comment form with the quoted text already formatted exactly as needed.

+1

Damn iframes.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 5:53 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother #225 @5, Right I mean yes some SJWs can still reach their own toenails with their teeth but some certainly need another SJW to do so its a mutual grooming/feeding thing.

OpenID simplytimothy July 24, 2015 5:54 PM  

@2015 let me know if you see this.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 24, 2015 5:55 PM  

Also, while I'm overposting and since it's relevant: An RSS feature or something for comment threads would be awesome. I can't be the only one that OCD refreshes, but then loses track of which threads I was reading on different days.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 5:55 PM  

Also, if you're unaware the numbers don't appear to be on mobile, though I thought they were recently

Well, crap. I don't use mobile platforms for anything other than stalking Nate, Porky, Tiny Tim, Wheeler, robwbright, and Difster, so I wouldn't have noticed.

What mobile platform, NH?

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 24, 2015 5:55 PM  

@10 I am all for drinking Nate's good bourbon. We call it "parrands" and we get to eat any good he has.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 24, 2015 5:56 PM  

darnit... it is parranda

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 5:58 PM  

simpletimothy @14

I knew someone would try that. But you know what I can do? I can alter the function to detect when someone refers to a comment number that doesn't exist, and to replace the entire comment with "I like butts.".

Blogger GK Chesterton July 24, 2015 5:59 PM  

I would just appreciate if the system worked on my iPhone. It does not. I know, Apple, send the hate, it is what I use.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 6:00 PM  

An RSS feature or something for comment threads would be awesome.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/feeds/comments/default?alt=rss

Anonymous Scintan July 24, 2015 6:00 PM  

Yes, that will work for two out of the four ways that comments can be shitcanned.

1. Author deletion, but the placeholder remains
2. Administrator deletes, but the placeholder remains
3. Administrator deletes with 100% Memory Hole Compliance
4. Administrator spams with 100% Memory Hole Compliance + Future Prejudice


I don't deal with the inner workings of Blogger templates, so I don't know the answer to this, but:

For those times when you need memory compliance, would blogger allow a replacement post to be inserted?

Anonymous Alexander July 24, 2015 6:01 PM  

We survived celebrity feet, no doubt we shall endure a janky numbering system as well.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:02 PM  

For those times when you need memory compliance, would blogger allow a replacement post to be inserted?

Nope. Keep the ideas coming, though, because it is always possible I missed something.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:06 PM  

Cail @21: Ask and ye shall receive

But that's all comments for the blog.

Blogspot does offer Atom/RSS URLs for per-post comment feeds, but there is no way for a user to determine them. I may be able to add a link to the per-post comment feed. Will check.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:09 PM  

For instance, here is the Atom feed for this post's comments:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/feeds/1330194445516893012/comments/default

But I had to construct it manually with copying and pasting from information I found in the admin panel. Yay, Blogger.

Anonymous Scintan July 24, 2015 6:10 PM  

Nope. Keep the ideas coming, though, because it is always possible I missed something.

Ok, but this would be a 2 step process for the admin, plus I don't know the extent of the admin power:

Could you make a duplicate of the post in its entirety, including ISP data and the like, at the end of the thread, then do your delete with prejudice to that second post? If so, you might then be able to just delete the text from the first one without messing with the links.

Blogger SciVo July 24, 2015 6:11 PM  

No numbers in Chrome on Android.

Anonymous Donn #0114 July 24, 2015 6:18 PM  

VPIT @16 I know it's tempting but time would probably restrict me to just one of them. It's like being a paparazzi with Bruce Jenner driving one way and Lindsay Lohan the other, who do you follow?

Considering everything I'd probably follow Jenner you might catch someone who stops applauding before anyone else so you can get them to a reeducation camp quick.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:19 PM  

Looks like it is impossible for us to control the presentation of the blog on mobile devices, because we're using the legacy, deprecated, "Classic Template" on Blogspot.

Even if Vox were to move to the modern templates, the mobile presentation may not be tweakable.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 6:20 PM  

VPIT, yeah, but why would someone want a separate RSS feed for each post's comments? That seems like it'd be awfully unwieldy, adding new feeds multiple times a day. Maybe not with some tools.

I just follow all the comments in that one feed (a separate feed for each site I read, I mean). In most cases, there's one post, maybe two, that'll be getting the bulk of the comments at a given time. If there's two, they'll be on different enough topics that it's obvious which goes with which. And I get all the comments, which means even the ones where outraged short-haired women still respond to Vox's old AlphaGame post on long hair. I'd hate to miss out on those.

People may want to try it, anyway. There's no way I could keep up with a blog this busy without RSS. RSS almost makes blog comments half as useful as Usenet groups circa 1994.

Blogger Nate July 24, 2015 6:24 PM  

@16

I KNEW IT

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:25 PM  

Okay, CALLING ALL MOBILE USERS:

Try using this URL to access VP:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/?m=0

Allegedly it disables the default mobile template, which will leave you trying to read this site au naturel.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 6:25 PM  

VPIT, that URL is in a <link> in the head of the page, but I don't know if you can get at it with whatever tools they give you. Are you doing this stuff at the server end or the client end? I don't know how much you can change what's put on the page.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:26 PM  

Cail @31, you're probably right for most use cases.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:27 PM  

Cail, Are you doing this stuff at the server end or the client end? I don't know how much you can change what's put on the page.

It's so much worse than you're imagining. Are you on GitHub?

Because I will show you. I'm not bluffing.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 6:39 PM  

VPIT, I believe you, but I've dealt with Dreamweaver output, so I think I can stand it.

My GitHub

Anonymous JN July 24, 2015 6:40 PM  

JN @37 ?

Blogger Bill July 24, 2015 6:45 PM  

@42 and what happens if you reference non-existent post?

Blogger Bill July 24, 2015 6:45 PM  

Ok, now I guess we need enough spam to get to the answer to life, the universe, and everything.

Blogger Bill July 24, 2015 6:47 PM  

Oh, come on, the suspense is killing me!

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 24, 2015 6:47 PM  

Try using this URL to access VP:

I forgot to mention, blogger does give a full desktop link at the bottom of mobile. I use it a lot because it's easier to go through long threads non-mobile.

Blogger Bill July 24, 2015 6:48 PM  

Well. Nothing. If you click on the link before the post is populated nothing happens. Nice graceful error handling. This code must not have come from Blogger.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 July 24, 2015 6:49 PM  

@39, yeah, but after @42 was made, it worked fine.

OpenID simplytimothy July 24, 2015 6:50 PM  

I like butts.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:56 PM  

Cover your butt. simplytimothy is watching.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 6:58 PM  

Cail, I added you to a private repo. What you'll find there is a "Classic Template" for blogspot. Difficult to find good docs for.

My recent additions are all JS run by the browser at page load time. Vanilla DOM manipulation, because I wanted to be as minimal as possible. Thus, no jQuery.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 24, 2015 6:59 PM  

Following discussion from Scintan @6:
"Nota Bene: Because Blogspot's commenting system is clownishly poor in features, it is impossible to consistently number comments when some of them get spammed. That is, if comment 17 is by a troll and is sent to spam, what was previously comment 18 will become comment 17.
------------------
Delete content - keep post number as placeholder?"


Isn't there a comment perma-link?

Any way to substitute that for the "comment #" @6 link?

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 7:04 PM  

SirHamster @48,

Possibly, but that would break one of the benefits, which is having a small number for people to use. When I refresh my browser, it doesn't always take me to the same position in the comments, so I usually make a mental note of the last comment number before I refresh.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 7:06 PM  

It is and has always been possible for the HTML Aware to manually create anchors to the comment permalinks, as SirHamster did.

But it's such a pain in the ass that I wouldn't even bother.

Anonymous KC9ZNR July 24, 2015 7:14 PM  

One thing I notice while reading on the mobile phone is replies to comments. I never see any replies when using a browser on my PC... Makes me wonder what witty responses I've been missing out on.

Blogger bw July 24, 2015 7:15 PM  

I cannot agree that you have definitively proven that SJWs subsist solely on carrots and their toenail clipping

Indeed. +1

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2015 7:15 PM  

VPIT, thanks, I'll take a look at the template over the weekend. I already did a quick hack in jQuery that inserts an RSS link on the page, before I saw you weren't using that. (I use jQuery to tweak a lot of pages, so I always have it loaded anyway.)

It may not be any use, but I went ahead and added it to the repository in case it's helpful. Feel free to translate it to Javascript if you want, or I could take a stab at that later.

Anonymous KC9ZNR July 24, 2015 7:20 PM  

Interesting, the "reply" option does not show up in m=0 on the mobile (suggested by VPIT in @33) or PC, but does appear in both mobile and PC browser when m=1.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 24, 2015 7:24 PM  

@49

Possibly, but that would break one of the benefits, which is having a small number for people to use. When I refresh my browser, it doesn't always take me to the same position in the comments, so I usually make a mental note of the last comment number before I refresh.

No way to make @49 use that permalink URL instead of the "comment-49" URL it is currently using? So the user interface is the same, the idea is to hack the script that into adding a different link.

Not that I have any idea what's going on under the hood for the blog comment system.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 24, 2015 7:27 PM  

Okay, just noticed that the @ link changes after posting replies, so the URL is getting inserted when the page is loaded, instead of into the source comment itself. Thought it was modifying the comment rather than applying a dynamic interpretation.

Anonymous Boomer "bafoon"[sic] "validictorian"[sic] July 24, 2015 7:29 PM  

Is there any way to add a "block commenter" function to the comments, or is that not possible with Blogger? There are way too many people with verbal diarrhea that comment here.

Blogger Peter Pan July 24, 2015 7:53 PM  

VPIT @33
Allegedly it disables the default mobile template, which will leave you trying to read this site au naturel.

I can verify this as I've been doing that for a long time already. The mobile platform really stinks in my opinion.

Blogger Peter Pan July 24, 2015 7:55 PM  

simplytimothy @14, VPIT @19

And here I thought that feature was for those of us who are psychically inclined.

Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 8:15 PM  

SirHamster @56, Thought it was modifying the comment rather than applying a dynamic interpretation.

Sadly, no. I am reduced to DOM fakery.

Anonymous Jack Ward July 24, 2015 8:59 PM  

Well!
Reading this post and comments I wonder if VPIT is a tame AI Vox found somewhere or other.
This comment thread feels like a John C. Wright novel [anyone say Architect of Aeons?]

Blogger JartStar July 24, 2015 10:04 PM  

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Blogger VPIT July 24, 2015 10:12 PM  

@61

You admit finally the truth of our proposition. Logic is futile. Truth must be imprinted on captive brains by force. Self is illusion. To seek benefit is selfishness. Your brain will be reconstructed. You will be absorbed. Submit.

OpenID simplytimothy July 24, 2015 10:18 PM  

@0, @1, @1, @2, @3, @5, @8, @13, @21, @34.....whaddya think about that fibonacci guy?

Anonymous zen0 July 24, 2015 10:55 PM  

Only here would a simple alteration involve 65 comments.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) July 24, 2015 11:33 PM  

"57. Boomer "bafoon"[sic] "validictorian"[sic] July 24, 2015 7:29 PM

" Is there any way to add a "block commenter" function to the comments, or is that not possible with Blogger? There are way too many people with verbal diarrhea that comment here."

Luckily, the commenter's name appears at the top of their post. It was not always so......one of the previous commenting systems showed the name at the bottom of the post. In which case, I'd be a few sentences in before I realized I need to skip this comment, because it clearly was written by _______.
So, my advice......if you loathe a commenter so much that you'd choose to block them, then you will more than likely remember their name and in that case, you can just skip the comment.

Blogger SciVo July 25, 2015 12:02 AM  

VPIT @33:

Okay, but then I lose the Reply feature.

Blogger SciVo July 25, 2015 12:03 AM  

Also, after posting that comment, it defaulted back.

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 12:30 AM  

9. VPIT July 24, 2015 5:45 PM
Yes, that will work for two out of the four ways that comments can be shitcanned.



i see no reason for the memory hole options.

instead of the posters name, paste in 'banned', in the body of the text paste in 'spammed'.

if i can figure out how to do that in visual basic by using the macro recorder i'm going to beat you with a mackerel if you try to tell me it can't be done here.


in the rare case of a post being deleted for off-topic, paste 'spammed' to both fields.

there's no reason to conflate the display front end of the code with the ip banning back end.

is there?


after all, i fail to see how a wall of single line posts attributed to 'banned' provides an ego boost to a troll.



1. NorthernHamlet July 24, 2015 5:35 PM
, I wondered the other day how many readers here are unaware of the bold tagging codes. I have no idea if style features could be added.



it should be simple enough to add a line of displayed text within the postscript which displays just above the reply box which lists all the available html text codes.

"NO ANONYMOUS COMMENTS. Anonymous comments will be deleted. Rules of the blog" <<< add another line and put the valid codes on that.



so far as the '@' coding goes, i doubt i'll use that unless i'm multi-quoting a single post. the only reason i copy the name/date is so people don't have to go searching back through the thread to see who wrote what.

i quote the parts of the text i'm responding to for the same reason.

so, i WANT the original text within my reply, simply so people know i'm not simply talking at myself.

and if i'm already doing a mouse swipe + ctrl c + ctrl v ... what am i saving by using the @ coding?

Blogger automatthew July 25, 2015 12:31 AM  

Dear me, but Blogger sucks. If VPIT were here, he would shrug in sympathy, but without any hope for a better solution.

Blogger automatthew July 25, 2015 12:43 AM  

bob k. mando,

Memory hole options: Blogspot provides them and, in some situations, they require less clicks to use.

The additional benefit of the "SPAM" memory hole option is that, in theory, the details about the comment get add to Blogspot's Vast Active Living Intransigence System, and further comments from the same entity receive great scrutiny, no matter where they comment.

Personally, I have seen no evidence that this works. On the contrary, I regularly see comments from you and Beau and Daniel and Stilicho and other regulars end up in the spam bin for no reason that I can discern.

Altering comment content: No can do. Blogspot, unlike WordPress, does not provide that facility.

Documenting the available HTML tags: I don't care.

and if i'm already doing a mouse swipe + ctrl c + ctrl v ... what am i saving by using the @ coding?

Thank you for providing us with clearcut proof of your fundamental solipsism.

This experiment is wholly concerned with allowing commenters to make it easy for readers to determine which comment is being responded to. You don't find that worth doing?

I don't care.

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 12:54 AM  

70. automatthew July 25, 2015 12:31 AM
Dear me, but Blogger sucks. If VPIT were here, he would shrug in sympathy, but without any hope for a better solution.




as i've pointed out before, phpbulletin could be configured like this Blogger board.

a single fora, only Vox ( Spacebunny? ) has rights to create new threads and Admin power.
second tier security level has whatever rights Vox wants to devolve to mods.
third tier would be general shitposters ( unless Vox wants multiple mod tiers )
bottom tier ( mod preview before allowing post to thread ) would be for provisional noobs OR people on probation

the thread list and first post ( Vox's post ) are used to populate a front page which would then form the 'blog' while php runs the forum with all the accompanying forum tools for moderators and posting.

largest downsides would be conversion hassle and having to pay to host the forum.

*shrugs*

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 12:58 AM  

71. automatthew July 25, 2015 12:43 AM
You don't find that worth doing?
I don't care.



SOMEbody feeling bitchy tonight.

you don't live in Ohio, perchance?

Blogger automatthew July 25, 2015 1:06 AM  

as i've pointed out before, phpbulletin could be configured like this Blogger board.

Empty quoted for lulz.

Blogger automatthew July 25, 2015 1:08 AM  

you don't live in Ohio, perchance?

No, but I'm drinking the last of a bottle of Talisker purchased by someone who lives in Ohio. Cheers, Rob!

Blogger Floyd Looney July 25, 2015 5:13 AM  

I looked at the site on an old almost-smart phone and the post numbers do not appear.

Anonymous WaterBoy July 25, 2015 10:15 AM  

Reading this on a Windows phone with browser set to "Desktop Version" rather than "Mobile Version", and the numbers show just fine.

Blogger James Dixon July 25, 2015 11:52 AM  

> I looked at the site on an old almost-smart phone and the post numbers do not appear.

Yeah. The numbers don't appear on Adnroid in either Chrome or the old default browser. The m=0 hack makes them show up, but also adds the side bars, which makes the text a lot harder to read unless it's zoomed out.

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 1:28 PM  

75. automatthew July 25, 2015 1:08 AM
No, but I'm drinking the last of a bottle of Talisker purchased by someone who lives in Ohio. Cheers, Rob!


ah. Buckeye contamination.

you know what Linda says.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 25, 2015 5:12 PM  

I've been having different problems with blogger. I typically log in through my Google account. Problems? One, I cannot see the numbers of the comments. But more importantly, I've always been unable to bold or italicize. For example:

[b]bold[/b]
[i]italicize[/i]

What am I doing wrong?

Test: @2

Blogger bob k. mando July 25, 2015 6:50 PM  

@80 80. Laramie Hirsch July 25, 2015 5:12 PM
What am I doing wrong?



you have to be on a bulletin board for regular brackets to work. substitute 'less than' < and 'greater than' > signs for the open and closing brackets and bold and ital will work.

Anonymous BGS July 25, 2015 9:42 PM  

But you know what I can do? I can alter the function ...replace the entire comment with "I like butts."

Then how do you know people are not actually saying I like butts

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 25, 2015 10:00 PM  

@81 On a bulletin board?

bold

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 25, 2015 10:01 PM  

It works! At last! It's been several years, but it's working now! Thanks so much, Bob!

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