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Monday, July 20, 2015

Why everyone hates McRapey

It looks like John Scalzi is back in the depressive phase of his cycle, as he offers ten theories about why he is so disliked by so many people. You know, he simply could have asked us. We would have told him. But let's see how many he gets right. Without having looked at them yet, I'm going to guess 3 out of 10:
Over on Facebook at the moment, and as a subset of a larger discussion, there’s a conversational thread about why so many dudes (and it is largely dudes, and dudes of a certain sort and political persuasion) have such a rabid dislike of me, both as a writer and as a human being.

Naturally, I have thoughts on this, based on years of personal observation, so below you’ll find my hypotheses on why I am so widely disliked by a certain type of dude. These hypotheses are mix and match: Not all will apply to everyone.

1. Because I’m an asshole. TRUE

2. Because they’re assholes. FALSE. No one dislikes Scalzi due to them being an asshole. Some would certainly put me in that category and that's not why I dislike Scalzi; vastly more non-assholes dislike Scalzi than the sum total of everyone who can even remotely be described as one. As for the idea of "an unpleasant variation of starfucking", I would point out that most of the people who dislike him here disliked him back in 2005, long before he was a Tor-made SF star.

3. Because of my politics. FALSE. I live in Europe. I have plenty of friends who are far to the left of Scalzi; the Socialist Party is the #2 party in my region. I would guess that most of my friends outside the USA are to his left. It's entirely possible to be of the political left and not be an obnoxious fraud.

4. Because I should be with them and I’m not. FALSE. We most certainly do not want McRapey with us in any way, shape, or form. That's just insulting.

5. Because I’m successful: FALSE. We live in a world where Britney Spears is a music star, Katie Price is a bestselling author, and there are probably any number of Hollywood stars who would serve as an example of acting success without talent. Scalzi may be a mediocre stunt author, but is not entirely without talent and his level of success is minimal compared to some egregiously less talented writers. Scalzi simply can't seem to grasp that not everyone is as driven by envy as he is.

6. Because I’m not a real man. TRUE. He's a prime example of a gamma male, a parody of a real man, which is why he inspires disgust in men and women alike.

7. Because they can’t actually do anything to me. FALSE. If nothing else, I've exposed him as a fraud who repeatedly lies about his success.

8. Because of envy. FALSE See the Third Law of SJW: SJWs Always Project.

9. Because I refused to recognize that they were right about something that one time, or several times
. FALSE.

10. Because of tribal identification. TRUE. He is a proud SJW. He is anti-GG.  Both of those identifications are sufficient reason for tens of thousands of #GamerGaters alone to legitimately hate him.
What do you know, 3 out of 10. Do I know the little freakshow or what? And notice how he keeps trying to tie everything back to envy, because people envy him, because he is successful, which he obviously needs to remind himself on a regular basis. Now let's list the eight primary reasons he is hated; only two of which he managed to identify, in the order of most to least hateful.
  1. He is a liar. John Scalzi repeatedly lies, and when caught lying, he does not admit it and repent, but keeps lying and then lies about those who caught him out. He lies about himself. He lies about others. He's reliably dishonest and even when he isn't blatantly lying, he's deceptive. I doubt it will surprise anyone in the least if it eventually turns out there is some funny business concerning his book contract not exactly being what it was described as being.
  2. He is a con artist. Almost everything he does, from his writing to getting published by Tor to campaigning for awards to laying claim to be a popular blogger, is a calculated, self-promoting scam. I know from multiple sources that in public he pretends to be better friends with people than he in fact is, particularly when those people are better known than he is.
  3. He's a coward. He'd also be a bully, but he's too cowardly for that. He runs away from any challenge he can't simply ban.
  4. He is obnoxious. I think he covered that with #1 above.
  5. He is pathologically narcissistic. All those silly Photoshop-edited selfies are indicative of a narcissist who absolutely loathes his own physical appearance. The combination of his pathological narcissism with his physical ugliness is literally repulsive and goes well beyond the usual gamma issues. Although he is disgusted by himself, he resents us for being disgusted by him. Hence the constant "look at me, love me" antics. His incessant need for attention would be pitiful if it didn't manifest in such obnoxious ways.
  6. He is pretentious. Look at how he tried to call himself a game developer and talked about the game he was working on when he was nothing but a lowly writer on the failed project. (It was a ridiculous rail-shooter for mobile; I knew it would fail from the moment I read the description.) Some things never change; I caught him exaggerating the number and nature of his publications in our very first meeting back in 2005.
  7. He is a gamma male. All gammas are secret kings ruling over their delusion bubble with majesty and sly, smooth charm, but Scalzi is a particularly virulent example of the species, as he's somehow able to convince others of low socio-sexual rank that they, too, can be winners like him. But he more or less nailed this in #6. He's not a real man.
  8. He significantly overrates his intelligence. He's not stupid. Far from it. But he's more than a standard deviation below me, and I'm not the smartest guy around. He's a high midwit with delusions of brilliance, and like all midwits, assumes that if he can't understand something, that must be because it's stupid. This is more annoying than hateful, though.
Did I miss anything? Why do you hate John Scalzi? Apparently he wants to know. But if I had a single piece of advice for him if he genuinely wanted to be less hated, it would be this: stop lying. Stop lying to yourself, stop lying to your readers, and stop lying to your enemies. You're not fooling ANYONE anymore.

Yes, lying has worked for him in the past. He would not be where he is today without repeatedly lying to lots of people. But the seeds of failure are often sown in the mindless repetition of what made us successful.

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153 Comments:

Blogger Astrosmith July 20, 2015 8:25 AM  

Because everything he writes starts from ideas that he stole from greater writers from the past.

OpenID RambleAround July 20, 2015 8:29 AM  

http://craphound.com/images/ScalziNight.jpg

Blogger MidKnight (#138) July 20, 2015 8:33 AM  

Don't hate him, but the more he preens and postures and displays the shallowness of his "clever" wit, the more contempt and pity I feel for him.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 20, 2015 8:34 AM  

The comments are more informative than his mental health blog entry, they meet the definition of facile. I'll bet because of the meta data collection ran by the overlords of the net they get a metric shit ton of ads from the pharmacos sent to their devices.

Political Correctness could be put to the video to Madonna's song "Vogue", "strike a pose."

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 20, 2015 8:35 AM  

Well he didn't include any reference to his lawn of unearthly vastness in this list. By his standards that's almost an improvement.

Anonymous dh July 20, 2015 8:38 AM  

I dislike John Scalzi because his work is extremely "meh", and I don't really enjoy fan-fiction to begin with. I find his character development to be lacking and flat, and dialog to be stilted and unnatural. His "Mil-Sf" writing screams out that he's never been part of a team of men before.

I dislike John Scalzi because he is crowding out more deserving and more honest writers, in service of his ego. His original work, like "Lock In", shows that when has to survive without an ecosystem of support - namely, writing in someone else's universe. He reliably has demonstrated that he can't find any oxygen on his own. If "Lock In" was written by a different person, it would not likely have gotten published by a major house. Even with a major marketing campaign, it probably didn't break the bestseller list honestly, and certainly even with whatever help it may have gotten was gone in a flash.

Additionally, I dislike his attempts to over-explain things because he feels like he should. If you can't say something briefly and without 1000 words of feathers, it might not be worth saying, especially on a blog. He routinely breaks Twitter because he wants to to exceed the mediums format restrictions.

Finally, I dislike John Scalzi because he tries to project an air of reasonableness, but most of the time he acts like a coward. Every time he posts something that invites serious criticism, he goes to great lengths to shutdown the discussion to anything more than bleeting agreement. It's fine to run an echo chamber, echo's can be soothing and valuable. It's fine to run a wild west saloon that gets out of hand sometimes. It's not fine to run the former and call it the later.

Anonymous Marty July 20, 2015 8:38 AM  

Because he has such a strong air of self importance greater than his actual accomplishments. Because he can't stand the concept of free and open discussion which causes him to use his ban hammer too frequently. I mean if it is your blog some people should be banned, but just because some one posts an opinion that is in opposition to yours is not a good enough reason. Because of this most of the comments that get left are by SJW douchenozzles that fawn all over little Johnny Boy.

Anonymous Stephen J. July 20, 2015 8:40 AM  

I don't hate him -- he doesn't take up enough space in my head to be worth hating -- but I dislike John Scalzi for one reason: he's a cheap moral preener apparently incapable of attributing disagreement in his opponents to any reason other than bigotry or hatred.

That is far from an uncommon flaw, but in a writer, whose job is to understand people well enough to make them seem real on the page, it is a serious weakness.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 20, 2015 8:41 AM  

Don't hate him, but the more he preens and postures and displays the shallowness of his "clever" wit, the more contempt and pity I feel for him.

I agree; hate is way too strong a word. A kind of mostly indifferent contempt best sums up what I've come to think of him.

Blogger VD July 20, 2015 8:43 AM  

Finally, I dislike John Scalzi because he tries to project an air of reasonableness, but most of the time he acts like a coward.

Good point. That was a major omission; I added it as number three.

Blogger VD July 20, 2015 8:45 AM  

Gang, do have the sense to grasp that this is "hate" in the broad sense of the term, the SJW sense of the term. It can mean anything from "I intend to behead him if it is the last thing I do" to mild contempt.

I have zero interest in reading 200 comments about the fine gradations about the precise level of dislike everyone separately harbors for McRapey.

Blogger Pravda Zvíťazí July 20, 2015 8:46 AM  

From Scalzi's post:

"I’m sorry your life has turned out so poorly for you, but this is not really my problem, and also, I wish you would stop trying to make it my problem."

Did he forget that he was playing on the easiest difficulty setting? I think this shitlord needs to check his privilege.

Anonymous dh July 20, 2015 8:51 AM  

Pravda--

Yes, John Scalzi's ignominious end will certainly be at the hand of the SJW crowd. As they look to acquire more and more heads for their trophy room, his will be a target sooner or later. All of his SJW insurance won't help him one bit, they always find a way to cancel your coverage when you need it most.

Blogger JACIII July 20, 2015 8:56 AM  

It is the SJW know-better nonsense that makes me want to shove his bicycle off the road.

He is the essence of yankee distilled: a fat, pale, androgynous, greedy, lying, coward somehow convinced we are all in desperate need of his opinion.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 20, 2015 8:57 AM  

He's like watching the clowns at the circus. You basically know what you're going to get each time, but damn is it funny when that one guy tries to fit himself into that little car and even invites his friends to join. Why would anyone in their right mind do that?

It's all an act, and a painful looking one at that.

Blogger Shimshon July 20, 2015 8:58 AM  

The very first comment on the post is by him. It is nearly as long as the post itself (slight exaggeration). Scalzi, like all Gammas, can't help but mansplain every last word. At least he didn't try to make this ridiculous post fit on Twitter.

He obviously cares that people don't like him. If he didn't he wouldn't be posting material like this in the first place.

Blogger VD July 20, 2015 9:04 AM  

He obviously cares that people don't like him. If he didn't he wouldn't be posting material like this in the first place.

The point of the post is his need for positive strokes, which the Whatever rabbits are duly providing. You can always tell when Scalzi is at the peak of his manic phase or his depressive phase. He's manic when he has good news and depressive when something has gone wrong or disappointed him. This post makes me wonder what he's heard that put him into the depressive phase.

Anonymous Roundtine July 20, 2015 9:13 AM  

Number 1 is it. The whole reason why "McRapey" exists is because of his own dishonesty in debate. Also, he was in a position of responsibility as head of SFWA and did not behave at all in a responsible manner. Can't really separate the two now that I think of it, the lies and abuse of power, because without the former there probably isn't the latter.

Blogger YIH July 20, 2015 9:15 AM  

Aww, I feel so sorry for MR. CAPS LOCK. NOT.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 20, 2015 9:16 AM  

Gang, do have the sense to grasp that this is "hate" in the broad sense of the term, the SJW sense of the term. It can mean anything from "I intend to behead him if it is the last thing I do" to mild contempt.

I have zero interest in reading 200 comments about the fine gradations about the precise level of dislike everyone separately harbors for McRapey.


The fact that he has to call it "hate" when it's really not is revealing, though--not to excuse a parade of similar posts. He'd rather be hated than to be seen with indifferent contempt. He values the attention too much to admit that this large group of people that "hates" him just mostly think he's an annoying turd who's not really worth their notice. So he has to post this complete strawman to talk about all of the people who "hate" him.

Which in turn probably builds his street cred within his little crowd anyway.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 20, 2015 9:17 AM  

Perfect example of what we talked about the other day, how SJWs portray themselves as perpetual victims, so that observers see them as being attacked even in fights they just started.

By any objective standard, Scalzi is a success. But the constant insecurity and navel-gazing make him look so pitiful that if he got into a Walmart-parking-lot brawl with a one-legged midget, people would be pulling the midget off him saying, "Dude, give the poor guy a break."

That lets him use his industry contacts and popularity to damage people, then essentially say, "You can't hit me back because I'm pitiful. See how all these people hate me. Don't you feel bad for me?" And he's a straight white male! Imagine the damage he could do if he were black or trans-womaning.

The question is: does he do it on purpose? I'd guess mostly not. He probably really is this insecure. But as a white man, he also fears losing his perpetual victim status and being purged from the SJW tribe, so I'd guess that causes him to broadcast it more often and more loudly than he would otherwise.

Blogger JACIII July 20, 2015 9:18 AM  

" This post makes me wonder what he's heard that put him into the depressive phase." -VD

So many have given over responsibility for their own emotional well being to pharmaceuticals, if johnnycon is one of these then cyclically even good news would be met with melancholy.

Blogger JartStar July 20, 2015 9:21 AM  

I always thought his behavior of "Photoshop-edited selfies" and pictures of his bald spot was strange behavior, but his hatred of his own looks makes a lot of sense.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 20, 2015 9:21 AM  

This post makes me wonder what he's heard that put him into the depressive phase.

Hollyweird lives on rumors so take this one with a gigantic grain of salt but the story is...

...Paramount is no longer playing ball on Redshirts. Marc Evans, the new guy at Paramount rumored to be uncool about a TV show based none too loosely on Star Trek. Normally this wouldn't be a major stumblingly block for a high price tag show. But Redshirts isn't or more likely wasn't.

Anonymous Stingray July 20, 2015 9:21 AM  

Because he's a gamma male who hates women.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield July 20, 2015 9:21 AM  

I must admit that I dispise Scalzi because until I was about 20 years old, I WAS HIM!

Yeah, arrogant because I thought I was so much smarter than most everyone, resentful of those with better bodies, better looks, hotter girlfriends, faster cars, more stylist clothes, greater academic success, more money, etc., etc., etc.

Has anyone written a more pathetic whiny pity-me, ignorant of the real world, piece of crap than Scali's "Being Poor"?

But I grew out of the Scalzi form of soul destroying self-absorption and learned to appreciate my modest gifts and blessings and more importantly celebrate those who achieved more than I. The Chinless Wonder at 40 years plus is still a vain moral retard.

JohnnyCon, I know a way out of hell:

"Envy not those with wings, rejoice in that they fly!"

Anonymous Menelaus July 20, 2015 9:24 AM  

He is Stuart Smalley in the flesh (or a dress)

Blogger darkdoc July 20, 2015 9:26 AM  

Because of what you have called his "snark univoice". He truly knows no other way to write or express himself. Maybe the other warren rabbits cringe to his always snarky comments, but it is dishonest and hateful to think that ayone normal won't be filled with contempt for the little prick.

Blogger Guitar Man July 20, 2015 9:27 AM  

He is an admitted rapist. That's reason enough.

Blogger darkdoc July 20, 2015 9:30 AM  

He is an admitted rapist.

Only in his dreams.

Blogger James Dixon July 20, 2015 9:30 AM  

Oh, I think it can be best summed up in this exchange:

"Mr. Roark, we’re alone here. Why don’t you tell me what you think of me? In any words you wish. No one will hear us."
"But I don’t think of you."

Blogger JartStar July 20, 2015 9:31 AM  

Interesting that he justifies his life and choices by his monetary success. This is a low bar for the vindication of one's life.

Anonymous Stingray July 20, 2015 9:31 AM  

Actually, Scalzi fears women, which is worse.

Anonymous Stilicho July 20, 2015 9:33 AM  

I despise him for his disgusting rip offs of Heinlein and Piper that he uses not as an homage to a great writer, but as an attempt to pinkify classic SF works.

Blogger James Dixon July 20, 2015 9:34 AM  

> Interesting that he justifies his life and choices by his monetary success. This is a low bar for the vindication of one's life.

Not to someone who grew up in poverty, JartStar. It can warp a person.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 20, 2015 9:34 AM  

I checked IMDB. There are apparently eight episodes of Redshirts in the can. The cast doesn't appear to be committing to other series work...yet. So maybe it's still a go.

But no trailers. No production stills. No air date.

And now Scalzi is upset about something.

Anonymous Bz July 20, 2015 9:36 AM  

He's starting to look a bit worn, isn't he? Time for a face lift? A little touch up?

Blogger Student in Blue July 20, 2015 9:38 AM  

Agreed with Jon Bromfield. I dislike him, because he is a reminder of my past. A past that's best to remain gone - something puerile and impotent, and unable to take responsibility for his own life.

Blogger jayb July 20, 2015 9:39 AM  

"[Bilbo] must stab the foul thing, put its eyes out, kill it. [Gollum] meant to kill him. No, not a fair fight. He was invisible now. Gollum had no sword... [and] he was miserable, alone, lost. A sudden understanding, a pity mixed with horror, welled up in Bilbo's heart: a glimpse of endless unmarked days without light or hope of betterment, hard stone, cold fish, sneaking and whispering. All these thoughts passed in a flash of a second. he trembled. And then quite suddenly in another flash, as if lifted by a new strength and resolve, he leaped."

Apropos of nothing...

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan July 20, 2015 9:39 AM  

This post makes me wonder what he's heard that put him into the depressive phase.
That was my take too.
Trouble in Troubled Tor may be Troubling him.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 20, 2015 9:40 AM  

Why do I suspect REDSHIRTS is going to be painfully bad?

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 20, 2015 9:41 AM  

No Hugo this year, John?

I just think he's a twat.

Anonymous Jonathan July 20, 2015 9:43 AM  

Isn't he the guy who bragged that his daughter can bench more than him?

Anonymous dh July 20, 2015 9:55 AM  

But no trailers. No production stills. No air date.

The run has been produced, that's for sure. There was a script, and it wasn't that well hidden. Someone will pick it up. It probably will be SyFy or another smaller cable network.

It seems like a huge accomplishment, but JS's desire to get into Hollywood where his hero's reside, or onto the small screen, is fairly clearly where his mindset is right now, from the outsider perspective. Books are a tough business in the long-term. You have to crank out the work, and people are critical.

The problem is that if his show comes out and his has horrible production values, his big shot will be shot. Once you have that label, it's very hard to rub off. Everything SyFy does is on the cheap or at a reduced cost. Because it has to be. Because a good show for them draws 200k viewers.

Anonymous Viidad July 20, 2015 9:56 AM  

The juvenile filthiness of his language is what I find most contemtible. "Assbag"? "RSHD"? C'mon.

Anonymous AlteredFate July 20, 2015 9:56 AM  

I honestly didn't give a shit about Scalzi. I was completely apathetic to his existence. But once someone crosses over into crusading for the plethora rainbow causes, they make themselves a target I can't resist. It does have to do with him being a liar...yes, but in the sense that he attempts to deny reality...which is to me the worst form of lying and one that all of the SJWs are guilty of.

Anonymous PA July 20, 2015 9:56 AM  

The essential gamma quality seems to be "alpha ambition without the alpha stuff to realize it."

Blogger Alexander July 20, 2015 9:58 AM  

Because he owes his entire livelihood to the demographic that he make a job out of slandering, maligning, and assisting in destroying.

Everything, from getting being a scholarship boy, to attending Northwestern, to being able to sell mass-marketed books, to owning a piece of real-estate in a white neighborhood, and flying in a metal tube across the country... exists because of those he derides as 'playing life on easy mode'. Hell, I'd bet even now a good chunk of his market is the straight white male who either doesn't know or doesn't care about Scalzi's politics - I doubt feminists of the space-romance wereseal genre or P-dawg are lining up to buy books. I'd bet the con game contributes as much in sales as his core fanbase.

He's the very worst type of person. Contemptible.

Blogger Josh July 20, 2015 10:03 AM  

Because he's the grown up version of pajama boy

Blogger JDC July 20, 2015 10:04 AM  

Scalzi has become a type of anti-male, a figure I can point to and say to my son, "Don't be like that." Pedestalizing females, coquettish selfies with his overweight dog, bragging that his daughter is able to press more iron than him...what's not to like?

Blogger bob k. mando July 20, 2015 10:05 AM  

johnny con
have such a rabid dislike of me



aww shucks. look at that adjective. just LOOK at it!

i wonder who he's trying to send a message too?

also, the new profile pic is another one of those "i have a jaw, i really do" trick perspective shots.



VD
Why do you hate John Scalzi?



i don't hate him. i DESPISE him.

because he is an honorless cur.

not the same thing.


also, he's a demonstration of Rand's adage that "only the selfish can be moral". johnny con spends all of his time trying to impress other people, the better that he might be able to manipulate them.



11. VD July 20, 2015 8:45 AM
I have zero interest in reading 200 comments about the fine gradations about the precise level of dislike everyone separately harbors for McRapey.



too bad, cause "Scalzi mischaracterizing his opponents positions" so that he can then attack a straw man is his go to tactic.

put it this way, in a teotwaki situation i wouldn't bother killing him. i'd just kick him out of the group.

partly in expectation that on his own he'd be dead within the month but mostly in the hope that he found a feral band to join up with because the only thing of value that he could offer them would be his mouth ...

of course, that wouldn't be a valid option if i were kicking him out of something non-mobile like a village. because he'd lead them back.

Anonymous Apollo July 20, 2015 10:06 AM  

Yeah, the lying, the smugness wrt his politics and his seeming pride in his complete lack of masculinity are why I feel contempt for the little twerp. When I think of him at all that is, which is basically only when I see a post about him here.

This recent posturing about how he totally doesn't care about how hated he is, and is totally above it all, is also not doing him any favors. It kind of puts me in mind of a teenage girl posting selfies on Instagram with a comment about how ugly she looks, so that her desperate male followers will shower her with praise to prop up her massive but fragile ego. Be MORE of a pig for attention, Scalzi.

Blogger Dexter July 20, 2015 10:08 AM  

Because of my politics. FALSE. I live in Europe. I have plenty of friends who are far to the left of Scalzi. It's entirely possible to be of the political left and not be an obnoxious fraud.

The constant repetition on Whatever of "if you're a Republican, you are stupid and you suck" is reason enough to dislike him.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 20, 2015 10:15 AM  

@dh

He can forget about SyFy. They don't like to do space shows anymore. Hence the name change to SyFy.

BBC America is possible but if Marc Evans actually is putting his foot down on Star Trek derivatives they are going to wave off too. They don't know what their income is going to be like now that the SJWs have finally torn the engine out of Top Gear. So they aren't going to risk an expensive lawsuit unless the income potential is really big.

Which in this case, lets face it. It isn't.

Blogger Josh July 20, 2015 10:15 AM  

He will never be happy. He's incapable of it.

Anonymous The other robot July 20, 2015 10:25 AM  

In the annals of moral degeneracy McRapey is small fry.

I hope that the hackers do release all the info ...

Blogger jay c July 20, 2015 10:37 AM  

Eh, I'd give him #9 also. Denying reality even after your nose is rubbed in it or doubling down on a lie can inspire significant antipathy.

Blogger Steveo #238 July 20, 2015 10:42 AM  

Scalzi is at the zenith of the sjw male, the capital & legal tender of such is calumny and the ensuing glide is folly.

Anonymous Musashi #0350 July 20, 2015 10:46 AM  

Because he's another simpering, White, weak-ass man-bitch.

We don't need tools like him being offered-up as an example of what White men (or any men for that matter) should aspire to.

This is reason enough to despise his traitorous ass.

Anonymous Sheila July 20, 2015 10:48 AM  

I am contemptuous of John Scalzi because, as Stephen J said, ". . . he's a cheap moral preener apparently incapable of attributing disagreement in his opponents to any reason other than bigotry or hatred."

To echo Apollo, the only time Scalzi occupies any space in my mind is when I read a post on him here. I read his "Old Man's War" years ago after reading a review somewhere which piqued my interest. I enjoyed it, subsequent books not nearly as much. But "the lying, the smugness wrt his politics and his seeming pride in his complete lack of masculinity" (h/t Apollo) turn my stomach. I'm neither a member of the dread ilk nor a vile, faceless minion. I'm a reader here and a sporadic commenter, and while I may disagree with Vox or find him irritating, I can honestly say nothing I've read here has ever inspired contempt. Scalzi - very much so.

Anonymous Stilicho July 20, 2015 10:49 AM  

Scalzi is the Stuart Smalley of the scifi world: the schtick isn't amusing when it's really meant to reassure himself and it NEVER stops. Save it for your mirror, Suzy.

Anonymous Strange Aeons July 20, 2015 10:51 AM  

I have contempt for him regarding his complicity in that pedophilia coverup incident in the SFWA.
Beyond that, I can't seem to muster up another iota of thought about him outside of these gamma rabbit dissections.

SA / VFM #0017

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 20, 2015 10:58 AM  

A) Wouldn't say I hate Scalzi, mostly because I simply don't devote that much mental energy to him in any way. B) As for why I dislike him, though, after he made a nasty comment on. Twitter about Paul Ryan, I replied, "Remind me never to buy any of your books." A professional would simply have ignored it. On a slow day, Correia might have had fun with it, but he would have been creative. Scalzi…was obnoxious and not even funny about it.

In addition, of course, the claim that Red Shirts is in the same category as Dune or Ender's Game is obnoxious and offensive. If he had the slightest sense of proportion and humility, he would have declined his award.

Blogger Giraffe July 20, 2015 10:59 AM  

Because his lawn is better than mine.

Blogger bob k. mando July 20, 2015 11:01 AM  

you know something?

you can't spell "whatever" without "hate".

and that's why i hate John Scalzi.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 20, 2015 11:08 AM  

1. Because I’m an asshole. TRUE

Disagree with this. To call Scalzi or many other SJW's an asshole is indeed insulting, but not to them, no, it insults the poor, unappreciated human anus. Because the anus actuallly does something useful, and even important, in stark contrast with Scalzi.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 20, 2015 11:08 AM  

I do not care for McScaRaRapetey as the man in a dress takes all the wrong stances, errors when it could be avoided and projects what I believe are nutty comments.

I do not care for his brand of man and its nothing personal.

I strongly dislike and disapprove of his varied, documented and historical inappropriate mood swings. I strongly disapprove of and will not tolerate the lies, the conning or his odd reactions against Vox Day for existing along with Sca's hate or dislike of our comments (since we dont exist anyways). The SJW stance is so deeply not on the correct side of history it grieves me to even hit submit.

More to follow and its utterly out of my character to begin every issue with 'I' but it was asked, I'll answer.

Anonymous Randy M July 20, 2015 11:09 AM  

Where did the McRapey thing come from? Ah yes, the post where he slandered people as rape supporters for opposing abortion.
That would be enough, really.

Anonymous Stickwick July 20, 2015 11:12 AM  

dh: Finally, I dislike John Scalzi because he tries to project an air of reasonableness, but most of the time he acts like a coward.

Yeah, I don't hate him either. He barely registers on my radar. But if I had to give a reason why I dislike him, it's this.

Stingray: Because he's a gamma male who hates [fears] women.

My alarm bells ring every time a man claims to be some kind of advocate for women, whether it's calling out other men as sexist, advocating for more women in XYZ, or seeking out distressed women to help. There is something creepy about it; and I think the creep factor comes from women sensing that there is dishonesty in it. Oftentimes, as has been my limited experience with Scalzi, that advocacy turns to meanness the moment you run afoul of some rule of theirs.

Blogger Daniel July 20, 2015 11:23 AM  

Here is what I hate about him:

His abuse of the spirit of charity to defend his honor. Every time he manipulates people to pledge money to victim organizations for the expresssed purpose of legitimizing his lying, he buries a virtue under a pile of his own shit.

His false "fandom" credentials. He never liked blue SF until he saw the angle.

His idiotic code talking "for no particular reason at all."

Blogger Daniel July 20, 2015 11:25 AM  

I especially loathe his unspoken defense of pedophiles within the SFWA.

Anonymous BGS July 20, 2015 11:26 AM  

Did he forget that he was playing on the easiest difficulty setting? I think this shitlord needs to check his privilege

Just think if he traded 30 points of average IQ for the ability to resist malaria and hookworm without whiteys meds.

Blogger Beefy Levinson July 20, 2015 11:28 AM  

I hate John Scalzi because of his passive-aggressiveness. He's a middle aged man who somehow manages to write like a teenage girl, with blog entries he writes "for no particular reason" when everyone knows goddamn well he's addressing Vox and the Ilk.

Blogger Bogey July 20, 2015 11:31 AM  

He's deceptive and a coward. The blog post you linked to is illustrative of his deceptiveness. It all boils down to that it's our fault that we don't like John Scalzi that we should all look past our perceived faults in him. Deceit like saying he's not a Democrat because he votes for a liberal Republican once in a blue moon, or that post many years ago about how doesn't come down on political sides, which one would think makes him a moderate, but no, it was because liberals don't fight back hard enough.
Read it if you can stomach it.

..and obvious coward is obvious.

Anonymous The other robot July 20, 2015 11:34 AM  

Just think if he traded 30 points of average IQ for the ability to resist malaria and hookworm without whiteys meds.

Not sure about the 30. Let's say he is 2SDs above average. So, 130 - 109 = 21.

Why 109?" Black SD seems to be around 12. So, 2 SDs above the African American mean is 109, unless you were talking about Sub-Saharan's Africans.

Blogger Bogey July 20, 2015 11:37 AM  

Finally, I dislike John Scalzi because he tries to project an air of reasonableness, but most of the time he acts like a coward.

Excellent summary. Pretty much bottom line, hammer hitting nail on the head.

Blogger Salt July 20, 2015 11:41 AM  

It looks like John Scalzi is back in the depressive phase of his cycle,

Has it ever been charted? Perhaps some aspirin might help, or even... ahem... some Midol.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 20, 2015 11:45 AM  

Vox and ilk, puppies, etc., are not even allowed to exist, comment, speak, meet, anything.

A true SJW does not want anyone to have anything when the person who has something like a life, future, success, etc., that person like VD is outright mistreated for no legit or acceptable reason.

However, as usual, the men will marinate upon the issue, debate it and move on while documenting what bizzaro eruptions follow from the man in the dress.

And its nothing personal, it is both professional, political and now made personal for attacking innocent VD whom merely states the issues, facts and truth of an event.

Regarding the term cycling; I've noted online and offline the varied moods and cycling of certain persons. I might regard as abnormal or suffering from some kind of malady or upset or general feeling of unwellness.

Blogger Bogey July 20, 2015 11:46 AM  

I always thought his behavior of "Photoshop-edited selfies" and pictures of his bald spot was strange behavior, but his hatred of his own looks makes a lot of sense.

Sometimes he drags his wife and daughter into this weird behavior. Seriously, a decent man would be more protective of his family's dignity.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 20, 2015 11:49 AM  

To announce, as if asshole status reagrds alpha or sigma is fair to state that McScaRaRa is unkind. When a man believes he is an arse and announces it is gammabegger status.

To announce something scary, or killkillkill or state I don't care and here are my actions to prove I dont care is of higher status.

Blogger Bogey July 20, 2015 11:50 AM  

Oh yeah, and he supports infanticide.

Anonymous paradox July 20, 2015 11:50 AM  

OT: A Star Trek series on the Eugenics Wars, written by Tom Kratman, would be awesome. Would actually make Star Trek entertaining.

Anonymous Stickwick July 20, 2015 11:58 AM  

... that advocacy turns to meanness the moment you run afoul of some rule of theirs.

Now that I think about it, it's more than this. If you fail to show sufficient appreciation, if you defy them in some way, or if you show yourself to be the "wrong" sort of woman, that's when they really turn on you.

Blogger bob k. mando July 20, 2015 11:59 AM  

73. Bogey July 20, 2015 11:31 AM
Deceit like saying he's not a Democrat



current sub-title on his blog? "I STILL DREAM OF ORGONON"

what is Orgonon? the former home of Wilhelm Reich, taken as a play on Reich's Orgone therapy and derived by combining 'orgasm' with 'organism'.

what was the basis of Reich's psychotherapy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich
"he tried to reconcile psychoanalysis with Marxism, arguing that neurosis is rooted in sexual and socio-economic conditions, and in particular in a lack of what he called "orgastic potency.""

yeah. real "middle of the road" there, Johnny.


another thing, this fascination with Reich explains Johnny's support of Marion Zimmer Bradley. for, you see, Reich was one of the first psychologists to be openly advocating for adolescent sex ... and Reich himself had incestuous desires for his mother as a child and was quite likely abused himself as a child.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich#Childhood

Blogger A_R July 20, 2015 12:00 PM  

Tried reading Red Shirts - came to the conclusion that he could not wordsmith his thoughts without crayons and butcher paper. His house walls must be a marvel...

Anonymous Shutup, Tad July 20, 2015 12:01 PM  

4. SJWs don't know when to shutup.

Anonymous dh July 20, 2015 12:02 PM  

My alarm bells ring every time a man claims to be some kind of advocate for women, whether it's calling out other men as sexist, advocating for more women in XYZ, or seeking out distressed women to help. There is something creepy about it; and I think the creep factor comes from women sensing that there is dishonesty in it. Oftentimes, as has been my limited experience with Scalzi, that advocacy turns to meanness the moment you run afoul of some rule of theirs.

This is same exact alarm bell that goes off in my head with any adult, especially a male, who enthusiastically wants to spend time with children other than their own.

Yes, there are a few rare cases where it's not creepy and doesn't lead to bad things, but they are outliers, and not worth the effort to separate from the nut-jobs and weirdos who enjoy that sort of interaction.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 20, 2015 12:08 PM  

Bringing occasional attention to McRapetys family by his own choice is another cycle that goes before a mini online meltdown of something that didn't even concern John Sca.

Furthermore, no one here is unkind. Our host is kind. I opt to remain critical today as today is the day to hash out the problems of the SJW side, this time concerning Mr. Sca, man ina dress.

I do not want his family doing without so whatever income he earns is wonderful for their lives.

I just do not understand the SJW thinking and feeling feelsbad for their heavy presence online as if they didn't have a life offline.

From McScaRaRa; "But I don’t always succeed, and also and independently, from time to time I decide that me being an asshole is a thing I need to do. In that situation, if I’m being an asshole in your direction, you’re perfectly justified in disliking me. I’m okay with you disliking me. I may even want you to dislike me. Because it likely amuses me, and because I think it’s what you rate. Some people deserve a thumb in the eye."

Notice he cannot channel any productive energy from being disliked or hate below the quote above is his accusing Vox Day for profiting from Hate when that is a lie.

The level of projection is so high I wonder if these pple are getting high on their own mania. The SJWs, Anitas of the scene, antiGGs and Scazli cannot accept Vox's success, hate Vox's success and remain jealous of the gracious host here.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 20, 2015 12:14 PM  

I hate him because he is evil, and this is exacerbated by the fact that he wields power. Being an Omega, I'm constantly on the lookout for people who might decide to destroy what little I have on a passing whim. Hatred is a prolonged anger reaction looking for a catalyst.

Blogger GK Chesterton July 20, 2015 12:19 PM  

So three probabilities in my mind:
1.) His TV show is in trouble
2.) The boycott at Tor is working
3.) General malaise

Blogger Lovekraft July 20, 2015 12:24 PM  

Moderates, as recently discussed, deserve our contempt.

So imagine what a quisling, mangina traitor the likes of a Scalzi deserves. The fact he is in denial as to his own decrepitudeness (new word) means we should act to neutralize his influence through peaceful means (at first).

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 20, 2015 12:30 PM  

I especially loathe his unspoken defense of pedophiles within the SFWA.

If he could be shown to be complicit, I would consider it a hanging offense. Merely associating with cretins is not (willfully or accidentally), although it is hateful.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 20, 2015 12:31 PM  

The real question isn't why I hate John Scalzi, the real question is why John Scalzi hates himself.

But the answer is the same: Gamma.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 20, 2015 12:38 PM  

This is same exact alarm bell that goes off in my head with any adult, especially a male, who enthusiastically wants to spend time with children other than their own.

I spend a decent amount of time with a group of young men, including my son. I am not enthusiastic about being around the 12 year olds, but, I do get a great sense of accomplishment seeing them become responsible, capable men. Somebody is going to have to lead civilization in 40 years when I'm too damn old. I spend time with them so that they see an example of how they should behave other than the weaklings they see in their teachers at school.

Besides, our troop swept the rifle shooting competition at camp this year. 1st, 2nd, and two tied for 3rd. That was very satisfying.

Anonymous Mos Eisley July 20, 2015 12:46 PM  

Scalzi has simply done what all successful ego nerds learn to do: he has turned being a un-manly dweeb, into an asset. In other words, he is the Alpha of the Betas? Or Gammas? I honestly can't claim to understand how that whole "pack" hierarchy is supposed to work, in human terms. But Scalzi is the king of the wusses, and he knows it, and he plays to it every chance he gets. That's the demographic he needs and wants supporting him: wusses. Notice that he makes a lot of his "relationship" with Wil Wheaton, who is one of the all-time great wuss actors of the 1980s, and whose wuss character on Star Trek is reviled and made fun of to this very day. But for the king of the wusses, it's all in a day's work. He has plenty of fellow wusses enabling and fawning over him. And he's married to a woman who is clearly satisfied being married to a soft little slug of a male specimen. She wears the pants in that family. And he will brag about it too, king-of-the-wusses style. Because being chic in geek culture, means the normal world is inverted. Being physical weak is an asset. Being a sniveling Wormtongue clone, is good by their standards.

Blogger pdwalker July 20, 2015 12:49 PM  

I don't care enough to actually hate the man, but based on his public persona, he's the kind of person that I'd never want to have in power over anyone or anything. His base cowardice would make him a petty, abusive, tyrant in his own little sphere. Perhaps he's a fustrated bureaucrat at heart and wonders why he is not loved and worshipped as the hero he imagines himself to be.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 20, 2015 12:52 PM  

When Sca enjoys giving someone a thumb to the eye when he doesn't like them or whatever, it reveals his own inner hatred for himself (perhaps) and an inability to control his own gammarage.

Not one time has VD, outside dojo sparring, made such a comment meant to physically harm anyone. VD isn't out to bodily injure anyone. VD uses the power of the pen to expose problems.

I did not take into account McScaRaRa's condones or offers okness for pervs within the SWFA - my strongly dislike just went to hatred. Then again he doesn't exist and isn't a man of honorable opinions due to the proven fact HE LIES.

Blogger haus frau July 20, 2015 12:52 PM  

I "hate" him because he has a daughter and his political ideology together with his unapologetic personal flaws compromise her future happiness. Not being a real man isn't exactly a sin but calling weakness a virtue when moulding another's character is very much a sin.

Blogger luagha July 20, 2015 1:02 PM  

OT: In the just-out Ant-Man film, the villain consciously uses Alpha physical posturing. He's always putting his hand on his social opponent's shoulder or chest. It was pretty nifty to see the way they're consciously using it in film. I will leave it to someone else to opine as to whether they're portraying a gamma-wannabe-alpha who's trying to force it.

Blogger pdwalker July 20, 2015 1:07 PM  

< off topic >
This is same exact alarm bell that goes off in my head with any adult, especially a male, who enthusiastically wants to spend time with children other than their own.

It is very sad when society has become so untrustworthy that males cannot be considered safe around children. How sad is that?

When I was growing up, I would often wander onto construction sites and the men there would not just look after me, but they would teach me how they did their jobs and teach me how to use their heavy machinery. Maybe that was exceptional, or maybe my mother taught me to be polite and respectful and they reciprocated.

I've had the pleasure of teaching judo to young boys and girls from ages 5 and up into adulthood over a period of many years. I get the joy of watching these kids, grow up from innocent children to adults. Kids who want to come back to class because I am there to both teach and guide them. Kids who pass through the awkward stage of their life who are still comfortable practicing with me, a man who actually enjoys teaching kids who are not his own.

No, I understand you are not painting all men with that brush, only that the society you live in has become so untrustworthy that you dare not take the risk.

Something is terribly wrong and terribly broken, or am I just an unrealist looking through rose colored glasses?

< / offtopic >

Blogger Doom July 20, 2015 1:20 PM  

Hate? While I don't want weevils in my grain, I don't hate them. While I don't want dogs on my lawn, or deer in my garden, I don't hate. So it is with this one. That he can be called a man, and successful, is a thing due to the fall of men. Sympathy, if he weren't getting some dues... crumbs from the tables of the elites who know only a truly dark lord... is all I could give such a creature. At least he is getting something here, unlike the many who will receive nothing here or there. So... no sympathy need be rendered.

What's worse? He is the type, merely tolerant of evil, too weak to reject or accept it fully, who both the light and the dark despise. If this be coffee, bring me tea. If this is tea, bring me coffee, they might suggest. On the good side I have nothing to do with the man, haven't and won't read anything he wrote, won't associate with (most, save you (Vox) I suppose) his associates, and will have no other part to play in the man's life. Unfortunately, I have a brother who, in a smaller way, reminds me quite of this "man". I simply can't be bothered to even consider hate. He's merely a weevil, and not in my grain.

Anonymous Susan July 20, 2015 1:23 PM  

I despise the man simply because he isn't even man enough to pull off wearing a dress. The gay guy on Python had more testes in a dress than Scalzi ever will.

Some very excellent comments here.

Anonymous dh July 20, 2015 1:30 PM  

It is very sad when society has become so untrustworthy that males cannot be considered safe around children. How sad is that?

I didn't say that so the rest of your comment is irrelevant.

Wandering into a construction site as a child or young person is a relic of the past, and probably not worth discussing.

What I wrote was a careful statement:

This is same exact alarm bell that goes off in my head with any adult, especially a male, who enthusiastically wants to spend time with children other than their own.

If a random, construction worker goes out of his way to spend time your child or young adult, yes, be concerned. Whether that is when you were growing up, or in 2015, or 2025, yes, be concerned.

It is abnormal for a man to feel compelled to spend time with children other than his own. That abnormality may be harmless, or he may be into wrestling and gladiator movies. If this your child, you should consider the possible range of motives.

Yes, it could be that it's an older man who is lonely, and has no children or grand-children, and that he seeks out scouting or other character building organizations to impart his experience to young people. But it should still set off an alarm.

Yes, it could be a teacher or neighbor who sees some personal reflection in your child, and is looking out for him or her. But it should still set off an alarm.

Yes, it could be that fabulous artist who lives in that loft down a few blocks from you, and he is interested in helping your child learn about the human form and perspective and shadow and anatomy and... but it should be still setting off an alarm.

Anonymous Suindara July 20, 2015 1:50 PM  

I "hate" Scalzi as a writer because his book has the same title as a short story written earlier by another author he probably never heard of.
This is a minor thing but I'm passionate about it, if only because it makes googling more difficult.

Blogger YIH July 20, 2015 1:56 PM  

Menelaus:
He is Stuart Smalley in the flesh (or a dress)
In the days of the Roman Senate a horse was made a Senator.
In the American Empire that would be Stewart Smalley's role.

Anonymous Heh July 20, 2015 1:56 PM  

I "hate" him because he has a daughter and his political ideology together with his unapologetic personal flaws compromise her future happiness.

As does the fact that her mom resembles Bret Michaels circa 1986.

Anonymous Feh July 20, 2015 1:57 PM  

In the days of the Roman Senate a horse was made a Senator.
In the American Empire that would be Stewart Smalley's role.


No, Obama has the Incitatus role locked up.

Blogger J Van Stry July 20, 2015 2:07 PM  

Hate would require more time and effort than I'm willing to spend on him. He's a dick, he ripped off H. Beam Piper, and I want nothing to do with him, and I'll just leave it at that.

Blogger kh123 July 20, 2015 2:09 PM  

The two things that cemented perception: Condescending complimentary attitude on the Electrolyte thread back in '05, taken with his limpwrist performance on... what was it, Oprah? back in the mid 90's as an online relationship advice columnist. As was said by others here, just watch the women's reactions to him.

Granted, folks can change. Or rather, grow up. As per whatever rule of SJW's, he's simply doubled down on the Double Downs the meanwhile, in both categories.

The folks that regularly take part in his hugbox ("You really deserve your lawn, John!") also contribute to the above.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 20, 2015 2:20 PM  

I don't care about him enough to hate him. Never heard of him until I found this blog, but since then have discovered at least one person who read OMW and liked it. Sounds like I might like it, but I've got a stack of other stuff I haven't finished reading yet.....

If Vox ever finds a more worthy case study in SJW, gamma-rabbit-dom, whatever, I wouldn't miss the mention of JS much at all.

OT: (is whiskey OT?) Any ilk consensus on acceptable not-gay whiskey since MM hoisted the rainbow flag?

Blogger SirHamster (#201) July 20, 2015 2:39 PM  

I hate him because of his behavior as an author. I bought his book Old Man's War due to Instapundit. It was entertaining enough, I guess.

Then I found out from his blog that he was contemptuous of my politics, and extra data points since then have never increased my esteem of him.

The thing is, I have read works from all sorts of lefty authors/artists who I do not hate after I find out their politics... Scalzi is the only one that's said enough for me to hate him.

And though it started with political statements, it's not political; I do have left-leaning and leftist friends.

Anonymous grey enlightenment July 20, 2015 3:01 PM  

1. how he takes pictures of his personal life and posts it on his blog is suggestive of narcissistic personality disorder

2. how he always plays the dweeb victim

3. transparent rim glasses. Either wear glasses or contact lenses. make up your damn mind

4. d-bag beard look

5. pretentious to a fault

that's all for now

OpenID johnthefaster July 20, 2015 3:41 PM  

@Mos,

You, sir, have summed up precisely why Scalzi incites such disgust within me. Scalzi is the Gamma of Gammas; one might well say he is the alpha leader of modern gammatude. He teaches young men everywhere that not only is gamma behaviour acceptable, it is in fact highly desirable.

The average gamma gives me a fleeting feeling of contempt for a few seconds, and then I go about with my life and forget about them. But Scalzi just flat won't go away. And one cannot conclude he is a true gamma; he has obviously conned a woman into letting him touch her.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 July 20, 2015 3:53 PM  

@patrick kelly, Old Overholt rye (easy on the wallet) or Jameson are my top picks.

I never really think about Scalzi unless I'm reading this blog. I will say the "Easy Setting" thing cemented my disdain for him.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 20, 2015 4:07 PM  

Vox,

The answer to your question about SJW hate is yes.

dh,

That is a common assertion today. I am glad it was not when I was growing up and had Scouts to help me out. I am of mixed feelings on the issue now. Instilling values outside our narrow clan is something we desperately need and don't have in modern society. The family is the core, but it is not the whole thing.

Where would Ender's soccer team be without a coach who was enthusiastic about his role?

Only some of this may apply to dh.

Blogger Daniel July 20, 2015 4:17 PM  

I hate him because he is a rapist.

Anonymous Jake July 20, 2015 4:21 PM  

Only Scalzi could take an opportunity for self-reflection and turn it into one long mind-numbing passive-aggressive love-fest for himself. That alone is a reason to dislike the guy intensely. He has zero ability to self-criticize.

Blogger Eric Medvich July 20, 2015 4:57 PM  

I don't hate Scalzi. In fact, I can't think of a single person I have enough time and emotional energy to "hate". His problem is that he doesn't understand his role in the destruction of maleness in general. I don't hate him, I hate what he represents: Whiny, annoying, why me, childish attitudes.

Anonymous dh July 20, 2015 5:09 PM  

Where would Ender's soccer team be without a coach who was enthusiastic about his role?

No one is saying don't let kids play football. For one thing, typically, the coach has a son or daughter on the team he or she is coaching. If that's not the case, the coach has some connection to the club.

Vox didn't ask our opinion, but I'd be surprised that even if the coach is a close friend he allows his offspring to be alone with the coaches/coach for extended period of time on an individual basis.

Anonymous DRJ July 20, 2015 5:15 PM  

I think it all started a few years ago when he blogged about practicing Lent with his daughter in the name of tolerance and religious experimentation or some nonsense like that. It culminated when read of his treatment of those with whom he disagrees, including our gracious host. And last of all, he is smarmy and icky and reminds me of guys from the fine arts department of the university I attended who would ingratiate themselves to women. As a woman, I find it extremely off-putting. I guess that means that I despise him for being a gamma.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 20, 2015 5:44 PM  

Guys, dh is talking about a specific kind of guy who goes looking for chances to spend time with other people's kids, not every teacher and coach. If you've ever had to take one of those anti-molester classes that are so popular among churches and youth groups like 4-H these days, you know the kind he's talking about: the guy who volunteers to lead a new scout group just because he looooves kids, and pretty soon he's inviting one or two certain boys to come over and help him remodel his basement on the weekends.

I'm an unmarried, childless man who got roped into tutoring some kids (yes, there was a woman involved) and discovered I enjoyed it, so I kept doing it. But I recognized the danger of being seen this way from the start, so I've always been careful to maintain certain boundaries. It helps that the parents know I'm not childless and unmarried by choice, and they've seen me working to change that, so they have no doubts about my orientation toward adult women. There may be people out there who only know enough to wonder, and I wouldn't blame them for wondering, because it is an unusual situation.

So dh is right: if a man enthusiastically seeks to spend time with others' kids, be wary. There's a fundamental difference between the man who wants to teach and pass along some knowledge so he finds kids to be his students (especially if his own kids are included and it's something like sports that works better with a larger group), and the man who just wants to spend time with kids so he finds any excuse. As a practical matter, as long as it's all group activities in public, like sports games and practices, you're probably fine. But if he offers to give Johnny some extra help with his curveball after everyone else goes home, alarms should go off in your head. Just don't risk it.

Anonymous BGS July 20, 2015 5:51 PM  

This is same exact alarm bell that goes off in my head with any adult, especially a male, who enthusiastically wants to spend time with children other than their own.

You would have a 4 alarm fire if you meet the gay Hispanic RN who specialized in peds/nicu I used to be friends with. Be even more alarmed at a guy eager to change other peoples kids diapers.

African American mean is 109, unless you were talking about Sub-Saharan's Africans.

I used the full 30 for sub Sahara Africans since the 15 for US blacks includes people as light as the NAACP Spokane woman.

Anonymous BGS July 20, 2015 5:55 PM  

No one is saying don't let kids play football.

Just don't do it where the assistant coach goes to the same temple as the university president like with Sandusky. He would have been stopped years earlier if the university president didn't make the campus cops drop the case.

Blogger Bard July 20, 2015 6:09 PM  

Because he doesn't even lift, but his daughter does.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 20, 2015 6:22 PM  

I am a vile, faceless minion because of Scalzi.

Read and liked Old Man's War. Then enjoyed Agent to the Stars. But then stumbled on Larry Correia's piece about Scalzi's "white privilege" bullshit. That made me investigate further, and---Lo!---not only did I discover Scalzi's SJW status, but also that he really publicly hates someone named...Vox Day. That called for more investigation.

And here I am, VFM #188, reporting for anti-SJW duty.

Blogger JDC July 20, 2015 7:08 PM  

I find it extremely off-putting.

I think that Scalzi should be off pudding. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Anonymous New Versailles July 20, 2015 7:11 PM  

Quite simply, Scalzi is a liar.

Back in January 2015, Scalzi tweeted the following: "Intel's $300 million pledge to create diversity in tech calls out GamerGate as something it opposes:" and included a link to an article on the initiative with quotes from the company. Since nowhere in the article, or any article, or the company's statement did Intel even mention Gamergate or allude to it, I asked Scalzi on his blog if he would like to clarify his statement. His immediate response was to block me, delete my comment, and then accuse me of harassing him (another lie).

Here is how a real man would have handled the situation: "You're correct. I misspoke. Thank you for pointing this out." Such a petty reason to engage in deceitful behavior.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) July 20, 2015 7:40 PM  

His problem is that he doesn't understand his role in the destruction of maleness in general.
I think he's vermin because he's a jealous little punk who wants to destroy something just because others are enjoying it and he doesn't have it when it's something he should go out and get himself.

I have contempt for him because he's a cowardly little bully and attacks people who he thinks he can beat. Like people with smaller websites. Could have easily been anyone one of us, if we'd crossed his radar.

Anonymous Some Dude July 20, 2015 8:04 PM  

I'm sure I'm in the minority around here -- I genuinely like (most) of Scalzi's stuff -- that's neither here nor that. I'd suggest -- from what I know and have seen from my own experiences is that his evidence narcissism is just a particular (and common) manifest of Adult-Child-of-Alcoholic Stuff. He's certainly set out the pieces of it.

Not meant as a defense to many of the criticisms here, but merely as an apologia.

Anonymous WJA July 20, 2015 9:02 PM  

I think he's vermin because he's a jealous little punk who wants to destroy something just because others are enjoying it and he doesn't have it when it's something he should go out and get himself.

Could you please detail what you think he's jealous of and what it is others are enjoying that he wants to destroy? I read both VD and Scalzi's blog and I've seen nothing that would indicate Scalzi wants to destroy any thing other reasonable people enjoy.

Unless of course when you, AJW, hit on women at conventions, they think you are harrassing them. Then sure, he does want to destroy that.

Blogger rcocean July 20, 2015 9:03 PM  

I don't care enough about JS to "Hate him" but i do dislike him primarily because he reminds of that guy in HS. You remember that guy don't you? The snarky little fem who ran around with the fat chicks and made snarky remarks about the Jocks and the motorheads and anyone who actually tried to do something. The Guy who always struck out in PE class and then made a joke about it. The Guy who was always sucking up to the English teacher or whoever would give him a good grade. The Guy who would make insulting remarks but then would back down or run away if you threatened physical force.

He's that Guy - grown up - with a talent for writing.

Blogger rcocean July 20, 2015 9:15 PM  

After 130 comments, I can't really add anything to Vox's list. Probably the most serious reason for disliking JS is his utter lack of mercy or compassion for others. Being a narcissist his usual attitude toward others is indifference. However, if you cross him or if he sees some advantage for himself, he will attack without mercy and not be the least be sorry if you are unemployed or hurt in some way. Like the Bolsheviks, his proclaimed love of the "oppressed" always ring hollow. He seems primarily motivated by power by a hatred of certain people and groups.

Anonymous Harsh July 20, 2015 9:43 PM  

He's a spaz and the natural reaction is to punch a spaz.

Blogger rcocean July 20, 2015 10:14 PM  

BTW, I thought McRapey had been officially renamed "Johnny Con"

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 20, 2015 10:17 PM  

It is very sad when society has become so untrustworthy that males cannot be considered safe around children. How sad is that?

This is due to the 3rd-worldization of the West, combined with the West's inability to assess real threats vs. imaginary.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster July 20, 2015 10:36 PM  

"I read both VD and Scalzi's blog and I've seen nothing that would indicate Scalzi wants to destroy any thing other reasonable people enjoy."

Well, there's the thousand or so new writers Tor won't be able to publish because of all the money they threw at Scalzi... I'm sure one would have turned out to be a more interesting writer than he is.

Personally, I just find his books mediocre, and his politics distasteful... beyond that I don't even think about him. I loved the idea of Redshirts, but couldn't even manage to read the free sample to the end of the second chapter before tossing it aside; Galaxy Quest already did the same joke vastly better.

Anonymous Harsh July 20, 2015 10:45 PM  

I read both VD and Scalzi's blog and I've seen nothing that would indicate Scalzi wants to destroy any thing other reasonable people enjoy.

Define 'reasonable people'.

Blogger Pravda Zvíťazí July 20, 2015 11:25 PM  

@dh "All of his SJW insurance won't help him one bit, they always find a way to cancel your coverage when you need it most."
Yeah, put that way, it does make you pity the guy. That his hell is partly of his own making makes it no less tragic.
@BGS "Just think if he traded 30 points of average IQ for the ability to resist malaria and hookworm without whiteys meds."
What if someone made an RPG that, instead of using elves and orcs to differentiate player types, used the human races as character templates? I imagine some fun could be had with the idea.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 20, 2015 11:40 PM  

My reason for hating Scalzi is 100% mom: I'm disappointed in him. I remember a decade ago when he wrote Zoe's War (which I still love) and Whatever was an astonishingly hard-headed blog about writers being small husinessmen, and Scalzi would be the guy stating that "however vile you may find a guy's politics, we don't have thoughtcrime in SF & fandom" (OWTTE)"

He sold out to get in good with the Nielsen-Haydens and the victimhood-industrial complex power structure. He sold his SFnal poet's soul for a mess of Pravda.

It's a damned shame.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 20, 2015 11:51 PM  

Significant number of Borderline Personality Disorder indicators. I wouldn't be surprised if Scalzi has a secret substance abuse problem, and/or 1+ suicide attempts in his past.

Blogger IM2L844 July 21, 2015 12:54 AM  

He's that fly on my big screen television when I'm watching the playoffs. Deserving indifference, but demanding attention.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 21, 2015 1:11 AM  

Guys, dh is talking about a specific kind of guy who goes looking for chances to spend time with other people's kids,

Yep, we've had to turn a couple of those type away. Keep in mind, Johnny Con grew up without a father. In our screwed up society today, a lot of kids are in that situation. A coach or a scoutmaster can't completely substitute for a missing dad, but he can do some good. Especially if there are several men who work together and reinforce the message about how a man acts.

I don't know how much of Gamma is nature vs nurture, but perhaps the biggest reason we hate McRapey is because there was nobody around to teach Little Johnny how to be a man.

Anonymous Verkisto July 21, 2015 1:24 AM  

We all have different methods of measuring people. I have a few metrics I employ in evaluating people that JS does not score well on. In no particular order...

(1.) How do they respond to conflict, disagreement and dissent?
(2.) Do they possess self-awareness?
(3.) Are they intellectually honest?
(4.) What disappoints them, angers them, saddens them?
(5.) The quality of person they gravitate toward and vice-versa.
(6.) What are they proud of?
(7.) What do they consider a virtue and a vice?

Having spent time on his blog and especially his comment threads, the answers to the above questions reveal a sad, small, contemptible man.

Anonymous Mos Eisley July 21, 2015 2:32 AM  

Hobbit,

You knew the rot had set in, when Scalzi began letting the SJWs guest-blog. Basically, he was pressured by Mohanraj, K. Tempest Bradford, and a few others, so he dutifully rolled over and showed them his belly, and he's been an "owned property" of the SJWs ever since.

Not that it will do him any good. As others in this thread have noted, buying SJW insurance is a fool's bargain.

Anonymous Mos Eisley July 21, 2015 3:58 AM  

We know Scalzi had no significant patriarchal influences during his upbringing. We also know Scalzi has never had to work a job that required him to get his hands dirty. He claims the mantle of childhood poverty, but somehow managed to slide through both high school and college without ever toiling as a grocery bagger, a floor-mopper, or a burger flipper. His first gainful employment was at a newspaper in California, out of which was spawned his eventual transition to AOL, after which he took up his dual occupation as genre tabloid blogger and outsized SF midlister.

In other words, his fingers have never left the keyboard.

So, we're not only dealing with someone who was never properly taught how to be a man, he has spent his entire life doing "knowledge work" which would not force him to be in proximity with men who had been properly taught.

A military stint might have fixed this. But without the draft, individuals like Scalzi never set foot in recruiting stations. The military life is "beneath" Scalzi. Despite the fact he cashes in as a Mil-SF author.

Okay, so what do we have:

- Physically small and weak.
- No experience in trades or blue-collar labor.
- No strong male influences when in childhood.
- No strong male influences when in adulthood.
- Entire working life has been behind a screen.

His overblown ego might not be a problem, if he'd been compelled to enter fields where that ego got checked; preferably, physically. Being small in stature might not be a problem either, if he'd been a sporting lad who learned to value the court, the gridiron, or the gym. But that's not what happened. What happened is Scalzi became a Sheldon, from Big Bang Theory: gargantuan, swollen head, perched on an excuse of a body. Nothing to check the ego. And the social skills of a catty female teenager. Gifted with the perception of influence and prestige (via his publishing) which is reinforced by the fact that Scalzi attracts the fawning of all the other un-men who also have the social skills of catty female teenagers.

And this is the person who's been anointed as the heir to Heinlein?

Somehow, I think Heinlein would consider it a sick joke.

Blogger Eric Mueller July 21, 2015 7:05 AM  

I can't say I hate him. I don't know him well enough to like or dislike him. I sort of enjoyed Redshirts, but it's the only book he wrote that I've read.

That's the biggest problem with SJWs, and I think it falls under rule #3 (they always project). When you disagree with them, they interpret that as hate. Or they interpret the feeling it gives them as hate and project it back onto you. SJWs seem to have a very limited vocabulary, especially when it comes to feelings. Hate seems to be the only word they know. But it's entirely possible to disagree with somebody without having feelings for them one way or another.

Blogger Joseph Dooley July 21, 2015 8:35 AM  

I hate him for his glib faux self-deprecating wit.

Anonymous Porky July 21, 2015 10:23 AM  

@Josh: "Because he's the grown up version of pajama boy."

FTW!

The dude literally sits around at home in his underwear blogging and tweeting and saying things like "VEGAN MARSHMALLOWS, PEOPLE!!!!"



Blogger ajw308 (#98) July 21, 2015 11:52 AM  

@WJA, are you trolling or would you like an honest response?

Blogger MidKnight (#138) July 21, 2015 1:47 PM  

@Josh: "Because he's the grown up version of pajama boy."

I disagree - he may be adult in years but I'm not sure he really "grew up"

Anonymous DNW July 21, 2015 2:30 PM  

"He is pathologically narcissistic. All those silly Photoshop-edited selfies are indicative of a narcissist who absolutely loathes his own physical appearance"

Following the link to the image, what beard he has, seems to have slipped down his face to his neck.

https://archive.today/DFTSL/d2cf4fa77b090337900c810f584635301933b19a.jpg

You would think then, that if he was going to Photoshop, he'd give himself some sideburns and upper cheek whiskers.

https://conflickt.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/once-upon-a-time-in-the-west-10.jpg


Or at least fill in the scraggly business he has.

Maybe he's going for the Charlie Bronson look.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 21, 2015 3:54 PM  

I hate Ohio, especially Jefferson county and those awful counties along the OH River.

How do ya like me now -

I would not ever set foot in OH aside to drive through and see the epic decline.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) July 21, 2015 8:05 PM  

That's what I thought. The thinly veiled version of "you can't get laid' gave it away.

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