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Friday, July 10, 2015

Why Rand Paul lost my vote

Scott Morefield explains:
As a libertarian-leaning Constitutionalist, I enthusiastically supported Ron Paul in the last two elections. So nobody who knows me was surprised when I declared my early excitement and support of his son, Rand, as a possible presidential prospect even before he won his Senate seat. Both father and son extol so many of the liberty-centered virtues that once made this country great and which are so rarely articulated today.

However, unlike his more ideologically-pure father, whose “take-me-or-leave-me” approach wasn’t one to sacrifice even a sliver of his beliefs for electoral victory, Rand is a bit more pragmatic. As someone who was at times frustrated by Ron Paul’s intransigence on even seemingly unimportant issues to the detriment of his public perception (come on, does anybody in the country actually think killing Bin Laden was a bad thing?), I can appreciate Rand’s desire to at least keep his finger on the pulse of what collective America is feeling....

No matter how you slice it, the fact remains that this Stalinesque push to remove any vestiges of those “evil” Confederates is bound to alienate a significant percentage of the very voters Rand Paul should be able to count on as his base. So, when Rand adds his voice to the commissars, those of us in Southern flyover country to whom that flag represents the honor of thousands of Americans who fought and died for their homeland, not slavery, bristle just a little. We care about a lot of things, including getting along with folks of all races, but we don’t give two hoots about what the “beltway” says is politically-correct.
I think Rand Paul sank his campaign when he endorsed the Confederate flag purge. He's not as bad as Jeb Bush, of course, even Hillary Clinton may not be. But I think most of his father's supporters, who have always viewed him with a certain degree of skepticism and concern, will look elsewhere as a result of his opposition to the symbol of the South.

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Blogger Dominic Saltarelli July 10, 2015 8:07 AM  

Well... damn. I guess the only good thing is that whoever the oval office seat warmer actually ends up being becomes increasingly irrelevant with each election. Who was it that you endorsed in TIA, a legless crack addict?

Vote LCA in 2016. It's time for less legs, and more crack.

Blogger LibertyPortraits July 10, 2015 8:10 AM  

The South will vote for him lockstep if he got nominated anyway, people like to pretend they will dismiss a politician because of X, but I hardly ever see them follow through.

Blogger Salt July 10, 2015 8:12 AM  

Rand may have the best interests of the country in his heart. May, mind you. Like a good apple tree, I always knew where Ron stood, every day, day in and day out. Yep, there he is, hasn't moved one iota.

Where's Rand, you know, the apple that fell from the Ron tree, at any given moment? He lost me even before this flag bruhaha.

Anonymous Stilicho July 10, 2015 8:12 AM  

Yep. To hell with him. Combined with his fondness for open borders and his pandering for the black vote, his behavior indicates another weak, unworthy candidate.

Anonymous FisherOfMen July 10, 2015 8:17 AM  

For a time, I was really hoping that Rand Paul was running as a "Trojan Horse" candidate. I was hoping that he and his father had sat down, and Ron had some heart-to-heart saying "son, I spoke the truth about everything and they were able to media twist it to make me out to be a loon... so what I think you should do is go out there and be a nice normal Republican, and once you get elected we can implement the PAULIAN SCHEME FOR LIBERTARIAN EXECUTIVE ORDER CONQUEST."

And for a while, it really looked like that was true. But I can't see where the confederate flag or his crazy tax idea would fit into that... those don't sound like "hi, I'm a standard Republican" trojan talking points, but more like an ideological thing.

So alas... I'm out too.

OpenID genericviews July 10, 2015 8:18 AM  

And he has Mitch McConnell's hand up his but to make his lips move when he speaks.

Blogger Tank July 10, 2015 8:28 AM  

But I think most of his father's supporters, who have always viewed him with a certain degree of skepticism and concern, will look elsewhere as a result of his opposition to the symbol of the South.

A good point, and there are others (borders, for example), but just where and to whom are they going to look? Will they stay home for Paul vs. Clinton? Paul vs. Sanders? Paul vs. Webb? Paul vs. Warren?

Which Rep's, if any, are better?

I don't know if I could vote for Paul; it's a problem.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite July 10, 2015 8:28 AM  

Stilicho: "Yep. To hell with him. Combined with his fondness for open borders and his pandering for the black vote, his behavior indicates another weak, unworthy candidate."

Those are some of the same points I was going to raise. But also, and possibly a cause of these errors, Rand Paul was a participant in the degrading Sheldon Adelson Primary, where the Republican candidates went to the citadel of the casino lord, worshiped the idol of vice, competed to be more pseudo-Jewish and pro-Israel than each other, and made private undertakings to the out-and-proud "socially liberal" Jewish billionaire.

To participate in the Sheldon Adelson Primary is a lot like being a participant in the "special events" in Eyes Wide Shut: once we know that about you, you need to be barred from public office, and you certainly shouldn't be allowed to talk about morality or traditional values without being called on it.

Blogger Doom July 10, 2015 8:33 AM  

Seriously? I didn't hear about that. I just blew off Amazon for supporting queerness in a recent main sale ad. Now Rand? I'm not sure, before this, that I would have voted for him. Now I know I won't. He has been chipping away at it for a while. To some extent, this doesn't surprise me. I don't think he wants to be elected. Then gain, regardless of what you suggest about his father, I don't think he did either. Spoilers, I am beginning to think. Nothing more. Self designed. As if it matters, at this point. Just part of the kiddy show.

Blogger Guitar Man July 10, 2015 8:39 AM  

Thoughts, Josh?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 10, 2015 8:39 AM  

He gives up the moral level of war to prattle on in the mental level of war about subjects or issues we know he will surrender on anyway. They all do this they talk about freedom and liberty in a highly intellectual fashion and then surrender to low IQ cultural marxists screamers. They need some Boyd and Lind

Blogger Steveo #238 July 10, 2015 8:40 AM  

Rand is a politician like all the others, if you trust him you're screwed. I'll be writing in Ron Paul as I am determined to vote for an honorable man & he's the only one I can find in politics anywhere.

Anonymous Steve July 10, 2015 8:41 AM  

Rand Paul will never be President of the Estados Unidos, because of his hair.

No curly man has ever or will ever lead a major nation in the modern age.

Obama would never have been elected if he had jheri curls like Lionel Richie in "Hello".

George W. Bush had a sensible side-parting.

Bill Clinton's hair was like a fox's tail - wiry and bushy, but importantly, straight.

Ronald Reagan had a magnificent oilslick-black pompadour well into his 70's, which intimidated his slap-headed Soviet counterparts into submission.

Rand Paul's hair looks like it belongs on an obnoxious frat boy or coked-up banker from a 1980's movie.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 10, 2015 8:45 AM  

There hasn't ever been a "perfect" candidate. Ronald Reagan blew it on immigration and grew the federal government immensely (although not as mindlessly or purposelessly as those who followed him.) Thomas Jefferson blew it on supreme court nominations and the Embargo Act. And those are two of my favorite presidents.

Everyone's got to decide for themselves, of course, how many imperfections it takes to disqualify one as a favored candidate, but everyone's also got to understand that no candidate is perfect. Rand (and Ted) are still a heckuva lot better than anyone else we've seen running for that office since Calvin Coolidge, imperfections and all.

Blogger Guitar Man July 10, 2015 8:45 AM  

Folks, it is time. He is rising once again. Cthulu 2016.

Anonymous Gecko July 10, 2015 8:45 AM  

Rand lost me when he endorsed Romney.

Now I'm on board for the Sweet Meteor of Death. SMoD 2016!

Blogger Josh July 10, 2015 8:46 AM  

Thoughts, Josh?

I'm annoyed at Rand, but he's still Ron's son and he's the only candidate who's right on foreign policy, surveillance, the Fed, etc.

Anonymous paradox July 10, 2015 8:48 AM  

LibertyPortraits,

I'm am a Southerner and Rand just lost two votes from my family, because of his insult. No lockstep voting here.

Actually... a president Bernie Sanders would help the Southern cause, secession\independence, tremendously more than a president Rand Paul.

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 10, 2015 8:53 AM  

"Rand Paul's hair looks like it belongs on an obnoxious frat boy or coked-up banker from a 1980's movie."

Precisely the people now running the world. Obnoxious frat-boy coked-up bankers.

But a nice analysis. People constantly underestimate the importance of good hair.

Rand Paul will happily lose a few southerners if it gets the Republican money machine behind him. THAT's the "pragmatism" Scott Morefield is talking about. And it might even get him elected.

But so what? If it does, it will be a compromised, bought and paid for, mouthpiece for power, who gets elected. Not a man of principle or conviction.

IOW, just one more in a long line of arseholes.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 10, 2015 8:55 AM  

I heard him say some things about wiretaps and other government intrusions that made me want to cheer, but he's an open borders guy, so no. I've become a one-issue voter: if we amnesty the current mass of illegals, which will draw in millions to replace them "in the shadows," or otherwise keep the deluge coming, then we're sunk on everything else: abortion, marriage, divorce rape, regulations, spending, debt, privacy, "hate speech," maybe even homeschooling and guns -- name your issue, and the left will have the votes on it locked up. (We're probably sunk anyway, but that would make it official.)

Electing a pro-immigration guy because he's good on some other issues is like buying the best saltwater fishing tackle on the market -- when you live on a freshwater lake in Iowa. You'll never get to use it. His pro-mass-immigration stance makes his other positions irrelevant.

Blogger Josh July 10, 2015 8:56 AM  

In an interview with The Washington Post on Saturday, Cruz (R-Tex.) said that he understands why people equate the flag with both racial oppression and historical traditions.

“I understand the passions that this debate evokes on both sides,” the GOP presidential hopeful said. “Both those who see a history of racial oppression and a history of slavery, which is the original sin of our nation, and we fought a bloody civil war to expunge that sin.”

Blogger Josh July 10, 2015 9:05 AM  

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/08/rand-paul-calls-for-an-end-to-sanctuary-cities-says-there-should-be-populist-revolution-against-unsecured-border/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 10, 2015 9:05 AM  

First candidate that names cultural Marxism has the edge to climb out of the pack. Trump leads so far Paul is not even in the game

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 9:06 AM  

Oh come on, people. We have a Dark Lord with a brigade of Vile Faceless Minions.

Let's make him Dark Lord of America. Er, I meant PRESIDENT.

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2015 9:07 AM  

No surprises here! However, the paradigm that desperately needs shifting is the one that continues to posit DC as the source of any solution to our problems. The damage wrought by those serving in Barad Dur on the Potomac is too deep to be solved by the noblest of candidates, Ron or Rand Paul! Secession of the mind from the Empire has begun! Patriots will have quite enough to deal with in fighting back the cancerous representatives of DC, their corporatist and Marxist minions, on city and county boards, not to mention state houses! DC is done! Keep a weather eye on it, but look to your localities!

Regards,
David Smith

Anonymous boonewaxwell July 10, 2015 9:09 AM  

Cail wins. my position exactly. Although i do like to play with my shiny anodized aluminum and stainless steel toys even several hundred miles from the brine

Blogger GreenEyedJinn July 10, 2015 9:09 AM  

So...do I vote for the person I agree with 5% of the time, or the one I agree with 50% of the time? It's still an easy decision. No matter how much we loathe them, the DC elite are creatures of our own making (and re-election), and still the best game in town (compared to all the others). If you give me the choice of Rand Paul v. Hillary/Bernie/Uncle Joe, the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia is not an issue I will sacrifice all else for.

Blogger Josh July 10, 2015 9:09 AM  

First candidate that names cultural Marxism has the edge to climb out of the pack. Trump leads so far Paul is not even in the game

If that's your criteria why not support Jim Webb?

Trump is a joke.

Blogger Bobo #117 July 10, 2015 9:12 AM  

Why do you think the Powers That Be executed the Rebel Flag Strategery?

Now all Repub presidential candidates have to distance themselves and lose Southron votes, or not distance themselves and become lovers of slavery.

Classic divide & conquer.

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 9:14 AM  

Malwyn does make those really amazing VFM badges. Can you imagine the awesome uniforms we would have as the elite shock troops of the Vile States of America, under a battle flag that eerily resembles the Confederate flag with Our Dark Lord's face superimposed?

Why, patriotism would rise by 500% in this country.

Blogger Daniel July 10, 2015 9:45 AM  

Trump would be the best joke ever. Obama in whiteface. If he actually makes the general, I would vote for him twice, and I don't vote!

More realistically, I am just waiting to find out who the Supreme Court endorses.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 July 10, 2015 9:48 AM  

I've always said:
Ron Paul is an idealist, Rand Paul is an opportunist.

See, Ron Paul was really an accidental politician. He didn't get sucked in to the game; he went in with his eyes wide open and he stayed the course.

Rand Paul broke out the knee pads and fellated Romney on national television the moment his dad conceded the primary.

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2015 9:57 AM  

Between this and Repukelican Nikki Haley crying like the youtube "leave Brittney alone!" guy, does any of you still believe a culture war is still winnable?

Anonymous Ben July 10, 2015 9:58 AM  

So because wonderboy isn't perfect, people will vote elsewhere or sit out the election, and someone they hate 100x more wins.

Not quite seeing the strategy here.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 10, 2015 10:02 AM  

I think Trump vs Sanders would be the most entertaining. I might even be troubled to watch a debate or two.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 10:06 AM  

I'm a big Rand supporter and will continue to be so. I understand that southerners might be upset about his views of the confederate flag and so be it.

I genuinely believe Rand is about the only candidate that will actually work to cut the federal government and keep us out of foolish foreign entanglements.

As much as I like Ron, Rand is the guy who is poised to appeal to the, ahem, low information voter without lying like Obama and Hillary did/do.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 10, 2015 10:07 AM  

But continuing more on topic, I will not vote for Rand Paul. I was tempted, but his swiftness to compromise was troubling and his pandering to anti-Southern attitudes was the final straw.

I have decided that the next presidential election I will vote in will be to elect the 2nd President of CSA.

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2015 10:12 AM  

I genuinely believe Rand is about the only candidate that will actually work to cut the federal government and keep us out of foolish foreign entanglements.

And ban flags. Don't forget ban flags.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 10:15 AM  

What's your point Porky? I addressed it above. You are more than free to base your opinion on a piece of cloth no longer being hung in public buildings.

I'll choose to look at other issues that matter more to me such as the federal debt, foreign entanglements, civil liberties, and the regulatory, welfare, and police state.

Blogger M Cephas July 10, 2015 10:16 AM  

Rand Paul is just playing politics. Does anyone really think he gives a damn about the Confederate flag?

I think he is just more concerned with actually winning. If he were to win, he probably would have less reason to play politics.

But the way I see it, if libertarians do not vote for Rand because of his lack of Ron Paul perfection, they might as well be voting for Hilary, which is who we will likely get. A Rand Paul presidency is the best thing libertarians can hope for, but between the ones that don't vote at all out of government protest, and the ones that won't vote for anything less than libertarian perfection, it will probably be another loss for liberty across the board.

At worst, Rand Paul will be better than Jeb Bush and Hilary Clinton.

Anonymous The other robot July 10, 2015 10:19 AM  

He probably believes the narrative around OK City as well ...

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 10:21 AM  

Rand Paul is just playing politics. Does anyone really think he gives a damn about the Confederate flag?

This is 100% how I see It, M Cephas.

Sure, I would rather Rand say something like, 'I'm choosing not to comment on this matter as it is a state issue and not within the realm of my Senatorial office, nor is it within the realm of the office of the Presidency'. But that's Rand's call.

Unfortunately, many libertarians would rather be right than actually achieve a reduction in federal power.

I see this attitude on Lew Rockwell all the time and dont' read much there anymore because of it.

Blogger Edd Jobs July 10, 2015 10:26 AM  

If he were to win, he probably would have less reason to play politics.

Well, except for the first term spent trying to win a second term. And then the second term spent avoiding any damage to his legacy.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 10, 2015 10:26 AM  

@Josh: “I understand the passions that this debate evokes on both sides,” the GOP presidential hopeful said. “Both those who see a history of racial oppression and a history of slavery, which is the original sin of our nation, and we fought a bloody civil war to expunge that sin.”

I don't care what he thinks about the flag or the Confederacy either one, as long as he doesn't think it's the government's place to dictate to anyone else what they can think about them either.

Anonymous Stilicho July 10, 2015 10:27 AM  

Webb is pro abortion and pro open borders. Frankly, although it's an admittedly low bar, I trust Cruz to close the border more than the others. As Cail said, the rest of the political battles will be lost if we continue to allow them to elect a new (socialist) people and that's exactly what they propose to do.

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 10, 2015 10:27 AM  

Yes yes, we all know that the lesser evil is "better" than the greater evil. Thanks for that smashing insight.

But you're still going to, deliberately and consciously, knowing exactly what it is, vote for evil.

Won't mom be proud?

Anonymous Rip July 10, 2015 10:29 AM  

So he likely compromises his principles over a realistic non-issue that will only lose him potential votes? It's not like a single person that was previously "for" him would have changed their vote had he not come out against the Battle Flag of North Virginia, but he's certainly going to lose votes for now being against it. It demonstrates both a willingness to bend over for little to no reason as well as a political ineptitude of pretty significant proportions.

And no, "the south" will not vote in lockstep for him were he to be the nominee (which he won't be anyway), many of us will just stay the hell home and do something productive that actually matters.

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 10:35 AM  

"Vote for the lesser evil" is slave mindset.

M Cephas, are you a good little slave?

Blogger jmyron July 10, 2015 10:35 AM  

I guess I don't understand the objection to Rand.

Is it simply because of a difference of opinion about the significance of the battle flag? If so, do you require the opinions of anyone you vote for to be in complete locked step with yours? In that case, Rand has certainly not "lost" your vote - he never had it.

Or is it because you think he is dishonest and pandering? If so, how do you know this?

If he is not pandering then he is merely giving his honest opinion. Do we really want to attack a politician for being honest?

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 10, 2015 10:36 AM  

I think it's still possible he is playing to be the trojan horse candidate. I don't agree with his stance on open borders thought.

Cail - who else has that right from the Republican or independent side?

Ultimately though, this guy has it right:
"No surprises here! However, the paradigm that desperately needs shifting is the one that continues to posit DC as the source of any solution to our problems. The damage wrought by those serving in Barad Dur on the Potomac is too deep to be solved by the noblest of candidates, Ron or Rand Paul! Secession of the mind from the Empire has begun! Patriots will have quite enough to deal with in fighting back the cancerous representatives of DC, their corporatist and Marxist minions, on city and county boards, not to mention state houses! DC is done! Keep a weather eye on it, but look to your localities!

Regards,
David Smith"


Unless we are going into full-blown totalitarianism like the Hunger Games, the Federal Government simply cannot continue as it has. It will collapse under its own weight eventually. Then the checks will start to bounce. Once that happens, its paid enforcers will abandon it. It is in that time of forming new regions that we have to be ready with answers from the local level. I think we should all be working hard on politics at the County and State level. The Federal behemoth can't be moved at this point. It won't be saved. Re-localization will happen sooner or later. It is then that we need to worry about getting supplies shipped in, trade with other counties and States, and generally trying to keep the lights on.

Blogger YIH July 10, 2015 10:36 AM  

Josh:
Trump is a joke.
I still say he'll be out by October. It'll be illegals, quite likely Jerry Cohen of the New York Times is scouring the employment records of the Trump Taj Majal as I type this. What'll he find? Just like any other hotel/casino there are quite likely illegals working as maids, custodians, busboys and kitchen staff.
Does The Donald even know? Likely not, but when CNN reporter Sarah Feinberg shoves a microphone into his to ask him about it he will.
I'm also wondering what Trump has to say about this.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 10:37 AM  

Soga,

M Cephas never said anything about the lesser evil, looks like you are putting words in his mouth to make his position easier to attack.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 10, 2015 10:38 AM  

I figure the USA is finished anyway, so why prolong the torture. If Hillary or Sanders will bring this post 1860 charade to a final close, so be it.

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 10:39 AM  

I just don't understand this mindset where people seem to think that as a general principle, it's good to elect representatives that don't represent them.

It's almost like they don't think representatives should serve the people. Like they think they exist to serve the "representatives".

And Israel said, "Let there be kings to rule over us like the other nations."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 10, 2015 10:40 AM  

Right now Trump is not a joke he is taking an easy issue drawing out the cultural marxist snakes and hitting them over the head. The other clowns are stealing the conservatives money and time sounding intellectual on issues they will eventually surrender on, as usual to the low IQ cultural marxists screamers "racist sexist homophobe. "

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 10, 2015 10:41 AM  

And now the Trojan Horse defence.

"No, he's only lying to get elected - he's not really lying!"

Sure, sparky.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 10, 2015 10:44 AM  

This veers a bit OT:

This "Confederate Flag" issue came up with a black colleague of mine the other night. He seemed to see everything in terms of race, despite his vast success in the business world. He stated that he saw the South as analogous to ISIS. Really? I reminded him that whatever the reasons, the South tried to legally secede from a voluntary union and was invaded by the North. I reminded him that it was a war of NORTHERN aggression against the South to prevent them from doing what they collectively wanted to do.

I sent him a long email today trying to explain the race war that the powers that be are trying to foment. It's unfortunate. Personally, I see individuals as equal at the foot of the Cross of Jesus, the Christ. I know Vox preaches about differences all day long here, but some of my best friends are black. Just happened to be black. But they are Christian. That's more important.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 10, 2015 10:45 AM  

I'll vote for Jim Webb he is the only man who will allow my people the Scots Irish a voice and identity. From those we can address those tactical issues you want to fight.

As for now it's Trump as the only slayer of the cultural marxist PC. When Trump is beaten down then I'll move to Webb at least I'm a human being to him

Anonymous A Visitor July 10, 2015 10:47 AM  

"endless politically-correct pandering to a demographic with diminishing returns is going to inevitably alienate your true base which is, boring as it may seem, plain ole’ white married folks."

This is what the Republicans do not understand. For the moment, the black and Hispanic vote do not matter. You're pissing off your core constituency coupled with increased illegal aliens (which per DC may now be given the "right' to vote). If that happens, then the Hispanic vote will become necessary due to sheer numbers. Shifting leftward, trying to outlib the Democrats, is why the Republican party is unappealing to most of their base these days. Continuing to move left will guarantee a loss in 2016 of the Presidential elections and maybe loss of control of the House.

"According to a new, post-Charleston CNN poll, 57 percent of Americans see the Confederate flag more as a symbol of Southern pride than of racism, a number pretty much unchanged since 2000."

Just as Vox said, it's the media that's doing the driving of this hatred of the Stars and Bars, not the populace. For the record, I am not Southern nor do I have any Southern blood/kin (save a step grandma from Alabama).

"A good point, and there are others (borders, for example), but just where and to whom are they going to look? "

For the moment support Donald Trump. Who knows if he'll survive the primaries but he's pissing off the establishment and talks the talk.

"Everyone's got to decide for themselves, of course, how many imperfections it takes to disqualify one as a favored candidate"

If they support amnesty or increased immigration, they lose my support.

"More realistically, I am just waiting to find out who the Supreme Court endorses."

Don't you mean the NSA?

"So because wonderboy isn't perfect, people will vote elsewhere or sit out the election, and someone they hate 100x more wins.
Not quite seeing the strategy here."
The Republicans are pissing their base off. The base stays home. Soon the Republicans and the base and the country drop into irrelevance. It's not a strategy. It's the last gasps of what was a great country.

Disgusting, I am not even 30 and this country is on the verge of collapse. Damn this sucks.

Anonymous paradox July 10, 2015 10:49 AM  

jmuron,

There was a very easy way to handle the flag issue. As previously said, rand should have said it's a state issue. Rand could have even said I'm not for it in my home state. But no, Rand had to insult the South on the senate floor.

Rand has certainly not "lost" your vote - he never had it.

What is this? Political predestination? Yes, Rand had my vote, he's now lost it. A Christian can lose God's salvation, a politician can lose votes.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 10, 2015 10:49 AM  

@ScuzzaMan

I admit I was in that camp. But how many times does a guy have to basically say he doesn't represent you before you finally believe him?

For me it was when he finally declared himself anti-Southern.

And even if he is just trying to get elected.

Rip is correct, it was a stupid move. Why vote for stupid.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 10, 2015 10:50 AM  

I see individuals as equal at the foot of the Cross of Jesus, the Christ. I know Vox preaches about differences all day long here, but some of my best friends are black. Just happened to be black. But they are Christian. That's more important.

And when Christ comes again, and we live in righteousness under his reign, then there will be peace and unity among the faithful. Until that time, with the unfaithful, expecting something more is rather foolhardy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 10, 2015 10:51 AM  

Chris please tell your black Christian friend that I'm a human being with an identity that if he approves or not I don't care.

Also why is it you white male Christians think the only role for white men is that of foot washers? Sorry but be honest that is a large reason your religion is faltering

Blogger M Cephas July 10, 2015 10:53 AM  

*Well, except for the first term spent trying to win a second term. And then the second term spent avoiding any damage to his legacy*

That is exactly the attitude I was talking about. It's all or nothing for you, and many libertarians. So you will get worse than nothing. You willl get Hilary.

It seems as though trying to maintain a sense of moral superiority, while taking shots at their own side, is not just for moderates. Though to be fair, unlike the moderates, libertarians will also take shots at the other side. So forgive the comparison.

But will your strategy not end up with very similar results?

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2015 10:54 AM  

What's your point Porky? I addressed it above. You are more than free to base your opinion on a piece of cloth no longer being hung in public buildings.

Rand once basically endorsed Jim Crow on the basis of free association.

Now he has a problem with flags.

He is a double minded man. Unstable in all his ways.





Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 10:56 AM  

It's hilarious that the Randbots here are trying to convince us that it's only just a piece of cloth we're getting worked up over, and that it's not something more insidious, like the fact that Rand is pulling one out of the standard Republican playbook: slide leftward.

Sure, today Rand just doesn't like an old piece of cloth. Tomorrow, it'll be "Oh pish posh, so you have to bake a wedding cake for gays."

I mean, nobody's perfect, right? So no reason to hold anybody accountable for anything. Just vote for the one that rapes you in the ass just a bit gentler. You lose less blood that way, I suppose.

Anonymous The other robot July 10, 2015 10:59 AM  

I still say he'll be out by October. It'll be illegals, quite likely Jerry Cohen of the New York Times is scouring the employment records of the Trump Taj Majal as I type this. What'll he find?

He probably knows. Maybe he will answer that there are so many damn illegals American workers are discouraged from even applying.

In any event, it is fun watching the establishment scramble to get rid of him. Maybe we will see some deer in the headlights moments from the establishment yet.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 10, 2015 10:59 AM  

Mr. MantraMan - Yep. My black friend is fully invested in white guilt politics. Tried to make me feel that way until I started pushing back on him and told him about Lincoln's racism, and Tom DiLorenzo's works on Lincoln.

As far as the foot washing goes, I believe that goes for all races, not just Whites. And no, I don't think that is the only role either. Whether you believe in divine providence or Jared Diamond's explanations, whites ended up on top and for a long time now. The Left in this country is trying to make me feel guilty for being a white male Christian veteran gun owner. I don't capitulate to that.

One thing I'm trying to grapple with though is this idea of right of conquest. Would Christians even have borders if some other "nominal" or even heathen Christians didn't do the dirty work of winning wars and purging evil pagan cultures like the Aztecs? But this is getting off topic.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 11:00 AM  

Porky,

How can you 'endorse Jim Crow on the basis of free association'?

Jim Crow was government sanctioned segregation. Free association is the complete opposite where private citizens can choose with whom they associate or not associate.


Anonymous REG July 10, 2015 11:04 AM  

True, Trump is not going to win; but, one of the reasons Ron Paul lost was that they would never let a real issue come up and any questions asked were used to make him even more of a non-issue. As more than one person has said on this thread. Everyone, including Rand Paul is soft peddling the real issues. Trump is dragging them out to the front in three foot high letters. Rand Paul was considered 'open borders' but as the link Josh put up shows, Paul is having to come out loud. I think that Trump is doing the country a service by making people face the issues. Whether it will work or not, we can only hope.

Anonymous Orville July 10, 2015 11:06 AM  

Why are you all even bothering to talk about candidates? Voting does nothing. Attempting to be a "law abiding" citizen does nothing when said laws are a monstrosity. Pat Buchanan had an excellent quote today in WND.com, "A secession of the heart has already taken place in America, and a secession, not of states, but of people from one another, caused by divisions on social, moral, cultural and political views and values, is taking place."

Blogger jmyron July 10, 2015 11:07 AM  

paradox

If memory serves, Rand said it was a state issue and that in his opinion South Carolina made the correct choice.

His belief that the Confederate flag is inextricably linked to racism and slavery may or may not be correct. But like I said, it sure looks like the belief is honestly held.

Unless I missed something, how is this insulting to the South?


What is this? Political predestination?
Do you require candidates to be in complete lock step with you on every opinion in order to vote for them? Don't read into my question any more than I actually said.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 11:08 AM  

REG,

I think you make a couple of good points. And I agree that Trumps comments are influencing people to take a head on look at immigration.

I think it would be good to keep in mind that immigration, while important to some, is not at the top of everyone's list of platform issues.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 10, 2015 11:10 AM  

@ Orville

Agreed, and a 'secession of the heart', not unlike the 1850's, is usually soon followed by a more geographical kind of secession.

Blogger M Cephas July 10, 2015 11:10 AM  

""Vote for the lesser evil" is slave mindset.

M Cephas, are you a good little slave?"

Learn to distinguish between good, and evil. Your options are not just varying degrees of evil.

I'm not just saying Rand won't be as bad as Hilary, though I am saying that too. I'm saying, I believe he will be good. Not just less bad.

Anonymous Steve July 10, 2015 11:14 AM  

ScuzzaMan - thank you. And yes, it's a serious matter. Obama became president because he looks the part. He's a good actor and his personal grooming, voice, and command of his facial expressions are top notch.

I can't see Mr Paul winning, because he doesn't look the part.

Here in the greatest country on Earth - Britain - we recently had a general election which the main opposition party, according to all political logic and polling, should easily have won.

They were up against an unpopular government which spent the previous five years pissing off their own supporters.

And yet, Labour lost and the Conservatives retained power with an increased number of seats.

Why?

That's why.

Labour were led by a man who looks like, sounds like, acts like, and is, a classic beta/gamma male (depending on which scale we're using) Mummy's boy loser.

He was so obviously painfully uncomfortable in his own skin that voters never warmed to him. Traditional Labour voters, such as the working classes and women, saw him as a weakling, a pussy, and a creep. He could've promised a free gold toilet and a robot manservant to every voter, and still would've lost.

I don't think Rand Paul fits that description, but in a democracy you must look like a leader for the masses to accept you as one. If your hair looks like it belongs to someone called Chad Rapington-Snidely III, it can seriously harm your prospects with the mouth-breathing, Cheeto-guzzling slackjaws who make up the great electoral public.

Soga - I am a Vile Faceless Minion. Being a slave would be a promotion. Slaves may escape, be granted manumission, or die and go to heaven.

We vile and faceless minions are irretrievably bonded to serve the inutterably malevolent supreme will of the Dark Lord in this world and all other planes of existence.

Our only reward is to flay our enemies and fashion their Dorito-stained skin into our mousemats.

Our only fear is Vox himself. And possibly the slender, pale-as-moonlight, lash-happy hand of Malwyn.

And yet, we are happy.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 11:15 AM  

M Cephas,

I wouldn't worry too much about what that person was accusing you of. He's just trying to put words into your mouth to make your (made up) positions easier for his small mind to attack.

I agree that Rand would make a very good to excellent president.

I also agree that worst case he would be far better than Clinton or Sanders.

None of the above 2 lines in any way suggest a 'lesser of two evils' rationale.

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 11:20 AM  

I can distinguish between good and evil perfectly fine, M Cephas.

But in arguing that libertarians might as well vote for Hilary if they insist on holding Rand to libertarian principles, you used the type of reasoning often used in "lesser of two evils".

Except that is exactly what Republicans have been doing for decades. And now we have no Republican willing to express any Republican values of 2 decades ago.

So you'll forgive me if, as a former Republican fan, I would rather the faction of my new allegiance wouldn't use this losing strategy of the Republicans.

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 11:26 AM  

Yes, Keef, resort to ad hominem and insults. That's a great way to drum up support for your guy.

Goodness grief, why are Republicans so hell-bent on losing, that they would even insult people they're trying to persuade to vote for their guy?

News flash: leftists can get away with that because they have media backup. You don't.

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 11:28 AM  

"I reminded him that it was a war of NORTHERN aggression against the South to prevent them from doing what they collectively wanted to do."

War of Northern Aggression is the Dark Enlightenment of war names.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 10, 2015 11:29 AM  

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Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 11:32 AM  

You have to believe it matters and you have to believe your vote actually counts...

You have to believe the trillionaire's of this planet are going to allow a free and open election in America??? What a joke.

They won't, and we the people don't pick anybody. They will give us two compromised lap dogs to vote on, nothing more. And if someone slips through they will kill them or pull out the video of them the NSA made years ago of them engaged in a compromising position, even if they were alone in the bedroom.

And then they will set the vote count programs to weight votes and kick some votes out, based on who their #1 pick is to help their cause.

The last 6 months our country has been gang raped by the Executive, Judicial, and the Legislative branches of government, regardless of what the sheeple want.

America is dead. Your vote is useless. You don't matter at all.

Hunker down. They are pulling this building we call America, like building 7. It is here.

It is coming down.

Blogger Marissa July 10, 2015 11:33 AM  

I'm with Cail. None of these issues like the Fed, foreign wars, etc. matter when the opposition can bring in millions of apathetic immigrants who don't care about these things and will vote for who provides the most bennies. I think we'll need to go the way of Europe, more and more excessive socialism and leftism until at last, far-right nationalist parties spring up out of the sheer absurdity and unbearableness of it all. I'm way past the point of, "well, this guy might be able to fix a few things". Which is why I won't vote for Rand, he doesn't get the big picture.

Blogger aut0062matthew July 10, 2015 11:33 AM  

Joshua Dyal, don't respond to trolls.

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 11:34 AM  

Rand Paul is not as strong on principle as his dad is. Ron Paul never minced words, despite not being as good of a public speaker or as attuned to the public's opinion as his son. I remember several months ago when Rand gave a speech somewhat against vaccinations and the media instantly leaped on it. Not a day later there's a picture of Rand in the doctor's office getting a shot.

It's his PR back-tracking that aggravates me. Like his statement on the civil rights act a few years ago. He walked that one back too, despite his points being valid and not at all extreme. He did come out against gay marriage, which was good, but hardly controversial.

Blogger CM July 10, 2015 11:35 AM  

Except that is exactly what Republicans have been doing for decades.

What Republicans have been doing is allowing the party to nominate "winners" who are more likely to get independent and "moderate" voters... so the base no longer as a choice but to sit out or vote the "lesser of two evils".

If the commentors here were doing the same as the Rs always do, then they'd be voting in Jeb as we speak.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 10, 2015 11:35 AM  

War of Northern Aggression is the Dark Enlightenment of war names.

I grew up in the South. That's what a lot of Southerner's call it because in their mind it is the truth. When I went to high school, they were still giving awards and scholarships from organizations like Sons of Confederate Veterans and United Daughters of the Confederacy.

Anonymous LES July 10, 2015 11:35 AM  

Will the Cross be the next "hate" symbol that has to go?

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 11:36 AM  

Soga,

I called you out for putting words into someone's mouth, which you have done a number of times. You find it an insult, so be it.

I'm not a republican and I'm not trying to convince you to do anything. I even said above that if Rand doesn't represent what you want then don't vote for him.

Once again, it's really easy to attack someone's position when you misrepresent it.

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2015 11:37 AM  

How can you 'endorse Jim Crow on the basis of free association'?

I have no idea.

I was vaguely remembering Rand's comments about how a private citizen should have the right to discriminate and I completely butchered the point.

Now that I think about it, Rand is actually being completely consistent on this.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 11:39 AM  

The third worlder's aren't need to get votes. You can do that electronically all day long. In much the same vain as "it is easier to kill a million than to control a million".

It is easier to rig the voting machines than to bring in illegals and get them to the polls to vote the way you want. Those are outmoded tactics.

The illegals are here to strain our economy and riot and kill when the bring us down, not for votes.

Like Obamacare, the sole purpose being to strain our economy, that is all.

The more parasites the Body America has sucking on it the easier it will be to bring down.

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2015 11:40 AM  

Will the Cross be the next "hate" symbol that has to go?

Eventually. And they will quote Rand Paul when they do.

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 11:41 AM  

"Right now Trump is not a joke he is taking an easy issue drawing out the cultural marxist snakes and hitting them over the head."

I agree. Trump is raising the immigration issue to it's highest extent possible. This is extremely important and useful becasue he's revealing the rest of the GOP candidates as amnesty-loving assholes that want to sell out the country to Mexico. Trump may not be serious, but his numbers are which is the important part of his campaign. He'll bow out, sure, but while he's in he needs to keep being relentless about immigration.

Ted Cruz understands this, which is why when Trump steps down he'll fill the void and say, "I'm against immigration as well. I supported Trump's statements" or something to that effect. I have no idea what Scott Walker believes, but Rand Paul's been riding the fence lately by coming out against sanctuary cities. Ricky Perry, Jeb! Bush, and the other candidates all seem to want to force the GOP to accept illegal immigration, and that's not going to happen.

Surprisingly, the Fox News approach to defeating illegal immigration seems to be beating the Left's mantra of "MOAR ILLEGALS NOW!" All Fox New has been talking about with respect to immigration have been the crimes. A beautiful white woman being shot by an ugly illegal alien sends a sharper message against immigration than talks about poor illegal children crossing the border. The Right has the upper hand here, all they need to keep doing is bringing up illegal immigrant crimes, constantly, one after the other after the other.

The Left has no counterpoint to that because the message is: "If you support immigration, you support more dead women, more drunk driving, more rape, more murder, more pedophilia." All the Left can say is, "Think of the children!"

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 11:44 AM  

"I grew up in the South. That's what a lot of Southerner's call it because in their mind it is the truth."

I grew up in the South as well and I've never heard them call it that. If they talk about it its either the Civil War, the War for Southern Independence (which is what I call it), or the War Between the States. But hey, if Southerners want to call it War of Northern Aggression that's what I'll start calling it. I just think it sounds really lame.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 11:44 AM  

Cruz' wife works for Goldman Sachs.

That is all I need to know.

Anonymous Spirit of 76 July 10, 2015 11:48 AM  

I don't think there will be any saving the country, especially not by electing this or that man or woman, however exceptional; this all was proved with the election of Reagan. He couldn't stop the leviathan state and neither will you, by means of the ballot box or the soap box. The people are far gone from any traditional American notion of sound politics, made so primarily by the advance of the welfare state and the advantage that has accrued over the centuries to the two parties who merely want to retain their power and prestige.

My hope, and it is a faint one, rests in falling back upon the cartridge box. The cartridge box also will only rarely solve the problem, but it may yet keep me and mine going a bit longer if the darkness falls upon us.

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 11:51 AM  

"Cruz' wife works for Goldman Sachs."

Shit.

Well I guess he's out.

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 11:53 AM  

Keef, you did no such thing. And where did I call you a Republican? Your reading comprehension is awful.

Now, if we can just move past your little infatuation with me, that would be nice.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 11:53 AM  

Spirit of 76, you are right. George Washington is dead.

Ronald Reagan had a bullet put in him and he ceded his power to the High Priest Moloch Bush on his death bed. They let him live.

We are like cows in a pen waiting for the benevolent rancher to let us out to free range until we die of old age.

Those days are gone.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 10, 2015 11:55 AM  

I guess I hung around more rednecks in my day. The title is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but so is the ridiculously named "Civil War" in which there was little to no real civility. I know it is meant to convey a war within one's own borders, by competing parties in the same nation, but still, we should have a better name than "Civil War."

Blogger Michael Banak July 10, 2015 11:56 AM  

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Blogger budbrewer July 10, 2015 11:56 AM  

I'm voting for No. 6. Be seeing you.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 10, 2015 11:57 AM  

The sooner people realize there is absolutely no chance of "saving" the country, the sooner we can be about coming up with better solutions.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 10, 2015 11:58 AM  

"Jim Crow was government sanctioned segregation."

No. Like the Black Codes in the north, Jim Crow was government required segregation.

Government forced segregation is wrong.
Government forced desegregation is also wrong.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 11:59 AM  

The only good thing about a collapse is hopefully enough Americans will dry out when they lose healthcare and can't be drugged with psycho-pharmaceuticals that they will get clear headed enough to realize someone is standing behind them on a bucket violating them.

Too many good Americans are drug addled cripples.

They don't fight that well.

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2015 11:59 AM  

That flag is an offence to many. It should come down, because it is the Christian thing to do.

The cross is much more offensive.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 10, 2015 12:00 PM  

I grew up in the South as well and I've never heard them call it that. If they talk about it its either the Civil War, the War for Southern Independence (which is what I call it), or the War Between the States. But hey, if Southerners want to call it War of Northern Aggression that's what I'll start calling it. I just think it sounds really lame.

I grew up in the South as well, and I heard it frequently, decades ago. It's out there. It's not a new thing.

Blogger aut0062matthew July 10, 2015 12:01 PM  

Google Ngrams graph tracking the use of the terms "southern independence" and "northern aggression" in books, starting at 1860.

Blogger Michael Banak July 10, 2015 12:02 PM  

First, I am a desperate conservative,

I was pleased to learn, a couple years ago, that - to this day- it is common for business meetings in the South to open with prayer.

Our southern brothers have a rare chance to achieve total closure, and full control over the thrust of this national dialogue on the flag. Even more, they can seize the high moral ground, and set the pace and framework for future controversies.

Christ said we must forsake all for Him, and what we do to the least of our brethren, we do for Him.

That flag is an offence to many. It should come down, because its removal is the Christian thing to do.

Once our Southern brethren make the sacrifice to do the right thing, they immediately force the resolution into a Christian framework, and set the stage for further conservative reforms.

Once we forsake our rights, to protect the sensibilities of others, the balance of power in the universe shifts to the good. In the Christian ethic, the one who yields wins.

Yup! I know the Christian ethic may be seen as an opportunity to be abused by others. We can assess those on a case-by-case basis. This one is slam-dunk.

If Rand Paul has lost critical votes from those who put a national momento above national healing, then maybe this country doesn't deserve healing. The evidence seems to suggest that. Hope I'm wrong.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 10, 2015 12:04 PM  

I prefer War for Southern Independence. A civil war is when two or more factions fight to control the same geo-political entity. Such as the Russian Civil War.

The 1861-65 war was a war secession, where a part of the geo-political entity wanted to peacefully separate and was, by violence, prevented from doing so.

Anonymous paradox July 10, 2015 12:04 PM  

jmyron,

Do you require candidates to be in complete lock step with you on every opinion in order to vote for them? Don't read into my question any more than I actually said.

Not reading anything, only what was written... he never had it |vote|. Rand had my, I have very few issues I look for in a candidate, pro-life, pro-gun, and and anti-interventionists foreign policy. Rand insulted Southerners on the senate floor, if you're not from the South, I see why you wouldn't understand.

Anonymous BigGaySteve July 10, 2015 12:06 PM  

We need someone strong on immigration and Voter ID or it wont matter because 8 years latter there will be too many illegals voting. They will all be saying "work harder whitey so we can get social security disability for not knowing English" This is why breaker boy slaved in coal mines to the 3rd world could eat EBT ice cream.

Who was it that you endorsed in TIA, a legless crack addict? Vote LCA in 2016. It's time for less legs, and more crack.

Marian Barry can be the first husband.

Jerry Cohen of the New York Times is scouring the employment records of the Trump Taj Majal as I type this. What'll he find?

Trump already has this handled. If they find illegals he can say that the current "disparate" impact ruling means his HR people are forced to hire illegals with fake papers. If the IRS tells him he has fake SSNs he has to follow the rules and those employees will just quit. As a businessman he can not help but hire illegals via sub contractors without running afoul of leftist laws.

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 12:07 PM  

"The sooner people realize there is absolutely no chance of "saving" the country, the sooner we can be about coming up with better solutions."

We already have a country. It's called Dixie, and its the one region in the United States with enough native culture, history, heritage, symbol, and religion to emerge from the coming conflict intact.

Anonymous BGS July 10, 2015 12:07 PM  

so the 3rd world could eat EBT ice cream

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 12:08 PM  

"I prefer War for Southern Independence. A civil war is when two or more factions fight to control the same geo-political entity. Such as the Russian Civil War. "

War of Northern Aggression rolls off the tongue better, but War for Southern Independence is more descriptive.

Anonymous Case July 10, 2015 12:08 PM  

Rand endorsed Romney, Strike 1. Rand stuck a yarmulke on his head, Strike 2. Rand sighed Tom Cotton's letter to Iran. Strike 3.

Bottom line, Rand's not a leader.

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 12:08 PM  

"The cross is much more offensive. "

One might say it's even a stumbling block.

Blogger M Cephas July 10, 2015 12:09 PM  

"But in arguing that libertarians might as well vote for Hilary if they insist on holding Rand to libertarian principles, you used the type of reasoning often used in "lesser of two evils"."

Well Soga, I am not arguing that you should choose the lesser of two evils. I've already stated you're not just dealing with varying degrees of evil. Those are not your only options. Unless I'm wrong, and Rand turns out to be the Darth Sidious you so imagine, I believe he is on the side of good.

Rejecting the good, because it is not absolutely perfect, will leave you with only evil. It's just an observation.

"Except that is exactly what Republicans have been doing for decades. And now we have no Republican willing to express any Republican values of 2 decades ago."

I don't care at all about the Republicans. I really would have liked Ron Paul to win. He didn't. We tried it his way. I would like to see if Rand's way will work instead. I would prefer if Ron ran again, as I believe he is the greater of the two goods, but I still believe Rand to be good.

Playing politics, yes, unfortunately. But I would take my chances with what results of that might look like.

Blogger David-093 July 10, 2015 12:10 PM  

"Rand endorsed Romney, Strike 1."

That was the correct thing to do back in 2012. Rand needed to be seen as sane and build up his name recognition. Coming out against Romney would have just been interpreted as "he's another Ron Paul" (we could only hope) and he would've been dismissed. Now that he's popular enough and well-known enough he should be bolder with principles, but he's not, and that's the real problem.

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2015 12:13 PM  

Chris Ritchie: I grew up in the South. That's what a lot of Southerner's call it because in their mind it is the truth. When I went to high school, they were still giving awards and scholarships from organizations like Sons of Confederate Veterans and United Daughters of the Confederacy.

Jeremiah Says: They THINK that's what happened? Ok jackwagon, if the North simply stopped ATTACKING the SOUTH would the war have gone on for 4 years or would have it simply ended that afternoon? And before you bring up "WAAA they fired on fort Sumpter!!" here's another query for you: If a sovereign state nationalizes its assets and the foreign occupation troops refuse to leave its soil, does that nation not have a right to kick them out?

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 12:13 PM  

JaimeInTexas,

"Government forced segregation is wrong.
Government forced desegregation is also wrong."

Totally agree. That's what I was trying to get at

Anonymous ZhukovG July 10, 2015 12:18 PM  

@David-093

I agree that Dixie demonstrates some basic building blocks for Nation-Statehood. Nothing would make me happier than to see the CSA rise again.

I would also argue that Texas, possibly even more than the deep south has what it takes to go independent.

Blogger IM2L844 July 10, 2015 12:27 PM  

America is dead. Your vote is useless. You don't matter at all.

Hunker down. They are pulling this building we call America, like building 7. It is here.

It is coming down.


You're exactly right, TT. The battle lines have been drawn and the SJWs are standing on the other side taunting those they call, among other things, "crazy", but who's only psychopathy is that they are impervious to the incessant social conditioning machinery. They keep daring us to cross the line and I don't think it will be much longer before they are obliged.

An entire lexicon has been rent. "American" is meaningless. "Traditional" is meaningless. "Patriot" is meaningless. "Justice" is meaningless. Once the masses wake up and accept that, the phrase, "Slow trigger; fast bullet" will take on new significance.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 12:28 PM  

More projecting from you, Soga. I called you on putting words in someone's mouth and you reengaged. We have been going back and forth since.

See what I did in #104. Someone called me on a poor word choice for a previous post. I didn't make shit up in order to discredit him, I gave him his due.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 12:29 PM  

Correction, my giving the guy his due was in #121

Blogger Marissa July 10, 2015 12:34 PM  

First, I am a desperate conservative,

You are not a conservative; you are a right-liberal Churchian and this "Our southern brothers have a rare chance to achieve total closure" has got to be the dumbest, most naive thing I've ever seen a grown man write in quite a long time.

Black race-baiters and white race traitors have no desire for closure. Their attack on straight white Christian men will never be abated, because the attack is done for reasons other than "closure". The attack is done because they hate straight, white Christian men and won't stop until that group is destroyed.

You're some sort of limey and I doubt you have much understanding of what's happening here, much less an understanding of Christian theology. "The one who yields wins" is one of the most backwards, dopiest understandings of the Christian ethic, straight out of the modern, effeminate Western man's brainwashed mouth. You think you'd be here today if the Europeans at the time of the First Crusade said to Mohammedan warlords, "He who yields, wins" and laid down their swords?

Anonymous Case July 10, 2015 12:38 PM  

Ron Paul *may* have not gotten the GOP nomination, but we'll never know because he was demonized by the RNC as soon as he demonstrated some momentum. And he definitely did produce an impressive amount of momentum.

Rand should have stuck his finger in the face of the RNC and continued on with the message, win, lose, or draw. And the successor to Rand should do the same until the GOP has shown the corruption of its hand enough that it withers away and an entity which represents the Libertarian ideology takes its place.

Instead, Rand chose to present himself as a mealy mouthed face in the crowd because he's running scared. Scared of the same machine that decided his father wasn't to be the nominee.

Vulgarity says it best. Fuck that.

Anonymous Roundtine July 10, 2015 12:47 PM  

Black race-baiters and white race traitors have no desire for closure. Their attack on straight white Christian men will never be abated, because the attack is done for reasons other than "closure". The attack is done because they hate straight, white Christian men and won't stop until that group is destroyed.

This. There was closure in 1865. North and South hated each other with a burning passion and yet they chose to leave things as they were. Whatever your views on it, the South was fully "Reconstructed" after the 1960s. The idea that the Confederate flag is more offensive today than it was in 1865 is absurd, and anyone who is seriously offended by it is not offended by the flag, but by the people who fly it. This is an ongoing Civil War between one group of whites and another group of whites and it seems there will never be closure until the sides are politically separated, or one side is destroyed. Remember what the Labour government said about immigration, they wanted to flood the country with foreigners to rub the Tories noses in it. This is how policy is made by progressives, based on an agenda of hate directed towards their own people.

Anonymous Chris Ritchie - 0388 July 10, 2015 12:48 PM  

I forgot I needed to change my moniker to show my allegiance to the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil. Minion #0388!

Now that we have that taken care of...
Jeremiah Says: They THINK that's what happened? Ok jackwagon, if the North simply stopped ATTACKING the SOUTH would the war have gone on for 4 years or would have it simply ended that afternoon? And before you bring up "WAAA they fired on fort Sumpter!!" here's another query for you: If a sovereign state nationalizes its assets and the foreign occupation troops refuse to leave its soil, does that nation not have a right to kick them out?

It's Fort Sumter, not "fort Sumpter!! [sic]"

You are correct that the Northern states banded together under the flag of the United States and used violence to prevent the Southern States from peacefully seceding. Yes, South Carolina had the right to expel foreign occupation troops who refused to leave.

Anonymous Roundtine July 10, 2015 12:53 PM  

Jerry Cohen of the New York Times is scouring the employment records of the Trump Taj Majal as I type this. What'll he find?
If they find illegals, Trump will call a press conference thanking the reporter for finding that out, and then announce he's replacing them all with American workers.

What worries me about Trump is his flip flops. Scroll down to the "Trump: A Monster the GOP Created" in the middle of this article: Trump vows long campaign

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia July 10, 2015 12:56 PM  

I've never been a big fan of Rand. He strikes me as an opportunistic whore that will say whatever he needs to to get elected. Heavens knows what he would do in office. Probably not good.

Blogger Michael Banak July 10, 2015 12:59 PM  

Hi, Marissa.

I figured *someone* would put a hypothetical like the Crusades on the table.

The one who concedes his error wins. That's what I meant. I plead guilty of poor wording. National defense is certainly the moral thing to do. As a nation, we have fallen far short in every dimension possible. Attacks at every level go unchallenged. Everything from local crime to international cowardice.

I am speaking to a clear moral choices that are easily within reach. Once the people see it, then it will project into the political realm effortlessly

I am acutely aware of the race-baiters. I put up with it a lot.

You do not know me well enough to stereo-type me. You can make your point without personal attacks.

Now, are we gonna rebuild the country, or cling to false standards?

Your choice. If we have even a sliver of a chance to win people over, we should try. I'm appealing to your conscience.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 10, 2015 12:59 PM  

So because wonderboy isn't perfect, people will vote elsewhere or sit out the election, and someone they hate 100x more wins.

Not quite seeing the strategy here.


That's because there isn't one. Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire isn't a strategy. Paying protection money to one mob to defend you from another mob isn't a strategy. Voting, in the current system, is not a strategy. It's a political devotion, the equivalent of lighting a candle and saying a prayer for your sick grandmother as you leave church, except that there's no one to pray to and the next person along is going to piss on your candle and put it out anyway.

If Paul were elected, he might do a few minor good things, but they'd only be temporary. And at the same time, he might make some things worse, because Republicans would be inclined to go along with him in areas where they would fight a Democrat a little out of habit. See: George W. Bush.

Paul might try to scale back some of the worst abuses of the surveillance state. But he'd continue to let in great masses of people who will guarantee that we'll end up with the police state he warns against.

He might enact some minor restrictions on abortion (Republican presidents since Reagan always pass a few Executive Orders limiting certain abortion funding, and Democrat presidents always immediately rescind them). But he'd continue to let in great masses of people who abort at much higher rates than native Americans and will demand that it stay legal and funded.

He might try to reduce spending. But he'd continue to let in great masses of people who will require constantly increasing levels of social spending.

Are you starting to see a pattern here? The man's positions are contradictory, and his standard Libertarian blind spot on open borders keeps him from seeing that it makes all his other wishes impossible, just as his kowtowing about the flag contradicts his claims to support personal freedom against tyranny.

Anonymous Chris Ritchie - 0388 July 10, 2015 1:02 PM  

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Anonymous FP July 10, 2015 1:04 PM  

"And before you bring up "WAAA they fired on fort Sumpter!!" here's another query for you: If a sovereign state nationalizes its assets and the foreign occupation troops refuse to leave its soil, does that nation not have a right to kick them out?"

Oh no, you see the states aren't really sovereign and never were. You see the union is perpetual. The union is forever. There is no right of secession. It is all about a "more perfect union". They were all traitors you see. The articles of confederation may have been rescinded for the constitution but the language carries over in "a more perfect union". It does not say specifically how states can leave and thus they cannot ever leave.

That is an actual argument on a HotAir thread right now by supposed Republicans, one who even claims to be from Louisiana.

Anonymous boonewaxwell July 10, 2015 1:04 PM  

Below are the relevant points. I often hear conservatives say: "I don't understand XYZ liberal perspective or opinion." ........Apply the lens below and it makes perfect sense. Leftists don't care about the flag, they want to hurt you any way they can. same with immigration, environment etc etc. If you look, every leftist cause contains punitive measures for you.

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Anonymous John Smallberries July 10, 2015 1:09 PM  

That Roof fella was a Godsend to SJWs in media, academia and government (if they believed in God that is).

The overall "strategery" seems to be to shove the unacceptable into normies faces' long enough that some on the lower end of the mental capacity range will snap and do something, unproductive, let's just say, then capitalize on the propaganda possibilities and ratchet up the pressure on the hated normies even more.

Kind of like the annoying little brother who kicks you in the back, breaks your stuff and makes your life a general hell, then when you finally tire of it and smack them, runs to Big Momma Government with a tale of what a monster you are for attacking them for no reason.

On the surface, it's a tough strategy to fight.

The flag is really not the issue. It's cultural cleansing. Cultural cleansing is historically followed by ethnic cleansing. The former has been going on for a long time as has the latter (white flight). The cultural cleansing has accelerated and I expect the ethnic cleansing will too, especially now with the (relatively quiet) implementation of the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing policies. Which are just, when all the bullshit is stripped away, a method for making sure white people have nowhere to go without being preyed upon. Blockbusting on a national scale.

Anybody that protests it is race-iss of course and anyone who does something more dynamic about it is simply used as proof that the policy is correct and needs to be applied harder and with less lube.

As I said, it's a tough strategy to fight. The leaders of the SJWs have been playing Go, while the conservatives (cuckservatives?) have been playing checkers. Those that weren't controlled opposition from the beginning that is.

Anonymous boonewaxwell July 10, 2015 1:09 PM  

I was quoting marissa 126 and rountime 129. it dropped it for some reason

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Anonymous Ben July 10, 2015 1:11 PM  

"Yes yes, we all know that the lesser evil is "better" than the greater evil. Thanks for that smashing insight."

*shrug* All I asked for was an explanation of the strategy that ignores this and healps the greater "evil" get into power. How is that a winning strategy?

"But you're still going to, deliberately and consciously, knowing exactly what it is, vote for evil."

Well, evil is a word that has lost all meaning these days, so whatever.

Again: where is the winning strategy in doing nothing and letting the really bad candidate win?

"Won't mom be proud?"

I stopped worrying about that when I turned 12.

Maybe it's time to put on the big boy pants, start using terms like good and evil an an adult manner, and work hard with what is available.

Or you can not vote and sit back and bitch and moan on the internet, and accomplish less than zero. The world sucks. It's not going to hand you Mr. Ideology-Pure Superman.

Anonymous Ben July 10, 2015 1:20 PM  

"That's because there isn't one. Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire isn't a strategy. Paying protection money to one mob to defend you from another mob isn't a strategy. Voting, in the current system, is not a strategy."

Which is why I asked what *is* the winning strategy?

And, yeah, "there is none we're doomed" is a valid answer if that's what you feel.

Anonymous Case July 10, 2015 1:21 PM  

There is no "lesser" and "greater" evil.

There's just the machine. Any candidate who isn't running against it is running to represent it.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 10, 2015 1:31 PM  

Cail - who else has that right from the Republican or independent side?

Maybe Trump, though I think he's running more for the LOLz and to force some issues into the conversation than to actually win -- not that that's not a good enough reason. Other than him, no one that I know of, unless Buchanan is giving it another try.

It is possible that there are zero vote-worthy candidates, you know. I don't have to have a better candidate in mind to be able to say your candidate is a fool who would sell the country to the lowest bidder out of a foolish belief that human beings are fungible.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 1:36 PM  

I am worried Trump sold his services to Hillary and he is hitting the populist hot buttons to trap the conservative/libertarian vote, win the party, then self destruct and hand it to Hillary. This keeps Jeb out who is the other elitist shill.

Trump could have easily charge a billion dollars for his services plus future contracts. So he loses all his old shows, still makes ten times as much as he would have, and then almost wins the presidency.

He would love it.

I hope I am wrong.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 10, 2015 1:43 PM  

So you will get worse than nothing. You willl get Hilary.

If "Nothing" were on the ballot, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, maybe even put a sign for him in my yard. Unfortunately, the only names I've seen on the ballot for the past several elections have been "Bad" and "Worse."

I doubt I'll vote; I think I have to wash my hair that day. But if I happen to be driving by the polling place and notice it's open and go in for a lark, I'll write myself in. I'm the only person I really trust to do the right things, after all; and a vote for me is just as likely to affect the future as a vote for anyone whose name is printed on the ballot.

Blogger Marissa July 10, 2015 1:47 PM  

I figured *someone* would put a hypothetical like the Crusades on the table.

The First Crusade (which I mentioned, not "the Crusades" isn't a hypothetical. It's an actual, historical event. The moral side did not yield; in fact, they threw out the violent, uncompromising bastards who'd overtaken the Holy Land.

Everything else you've written is supplication to leftist ideology. Also, you're not American, so this "our country" and "Southern brothers" nonsense needs to stop. You can't speak intelligently on this issue because you have no idea what the attack on the battle flag entails. There is no error to concede and the people who pretend to be offended by it are race-baiting hucksters and anti-white leftists.

I am speaking to a clear moral choices that are easily within reach. Once the people see it, then it will project into the political realm effortlessly

The moral choice is not to back down to ahistorical, anti-white morons who want to destroy the Southern people, especially the people of the South who are most willing and able to fight their leftist agenda. If you think anything in the political realm is won effortlessly, you don't know anything about politics.

Blogger VFM bot #188 July 10, 2015 1:53 PM  

#1: Rand Paul...but getting shakey.

#2: Donald Trump, because voting for him is sticking a thumb right in the eye of the ruling classes.

#3: Ted Cruz, because he didn't get on the bandwagon to attack Trump, and even said "he says the truth."

#4: Scott Walker? Maybe. We'll see.

Anonymous Poli_Mis July 10, 2015 1:54 PM  

I just unsubscribed from Ted Cruz's email list. Told him I just found out that Goldman Sachs employs his wife and that he is simply part of the problem and to forget my support.

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2015 1:57 PM  

I believe this latest contribution from Fred Reed complements the discussion pretty well:

http://fredoneverything.org/

The cultural rot, aided and abetted by our sponsors, the Marxist, corporacratic elites, may have gone just a leetle too far!

Regards,
David Smith

Anonymous Scintan July 10, 2015 1:57 PM  

I wouldn't have voted for Paul. But I find much in this thread which serves as yet another demonstration of a problem the right has, and which the left has largely overcome:

For the political right, the perfect is far too often the enemy of the good.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 1:58 PM  

Nice job Poli Mis.

Cruz also symbolically voted against (after previously voting for) fast track (TPP) after he knew the Senate had the votes to pass it the morning it passed if I am not mistaken. He made a bunch of noise as to how he is now opposed...

That was obvious.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 10, 2015 2:02 PM  

I still say he'll be out by October.

Trump is the one candidate who just might understand the power of "We don't care." Yes, there will be scandals, whether they find them or make them up. But it will be up to him to decide whether to run away or to stand up and say, "Yeah, it turns out there were illegals working in my casino. They're everywhere. That just proves what I've been saying about how we have to get control of the border where it's easier to stop them." Or, "Okay, so you caught me naked with my friend Steve and a bowl of Jello. We were hot and we were hungry, okay? Why are you obsessing about one man's personal life when there are millions of invaders coming across the border and taking jobs away from hard-working Americans?"

Trump could do that. I don't know if he would, but he could. After all, it used to be that getting caught being unfaithful to your wife meant your political career instantly ended, like Gary Hart's. Then Bill Clinton got caught and just said, "Nah, I think I'll stay." If you refuse to be shamed, there's not much the media can do to you. Sure, they can portray Trump as badly as they want, and maybe they can keep him from winning, but they can't actually make him stop running or force him to shut up.

So if he's out, it'll be because he wanted out. If he stays in, and if he understands the power of "We don't care," it should be a lot of fun for him and for us.

Blogger Marie July 10, 2015 2:02 PM  

I grew up in Kansas and always heard "War of Northern Aggression." Usually, because our Southern neighbors knew it was an excellent way to ruffle our feathers and pick a fight.

After that opening volley, both sides would air their long list of grievances against each other which often included recent college sporting events.

Kansas views the rest of the yanks as johnnies-come-lately to the civil war. As a result, we often side with our Southern neighbors when the rest of the country starts picking on them. We pretty much decided the western Southern states are ours to pick on, not the northereasterners.

Yes, I know, those states _love_ our attitude. No need to thank us. Just helping out.

Every Kansan I've spoken to just wants the rest of the country to leave the flag alone. Otherwise, the Southerns are going to get started again about their precious virtue and I'm not sure we have enough beer to calm them down.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 2:04 PM  

Rand Paul is triangulating.

Must have Dick Morris on his team.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 2:08 PM  

You heard it here first:

If Trump stays strong they will release audio of him allegedly making racist comments un-beknownst to him.

That is my prediction.

Blogger Marissa July 10, 2015 2:09 PM  

After that opening volley, both sides would air their long list of grievances against each other which often included recent college sporting events.

This is possibly the greatest thing about America, LOL.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 2:10 PM  

You better believe Jeb and W have some dirt in the 'ole back pocket concerning Trump.

This is going to get dirty.

Jeb has to win to keep the dynasty going.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 2:12 PM  

Marla Maples can step forward and say The Donald was "verbally abusive to her" and treated her as property because he wanted her "barefoot and pregnant"...

She can be given a co-host position on the view as payola.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 10, 2015 2:34 PM  

Which is why I asked what *is* the winning strategy?

Depends on what you're trying to win. If you mean "a winning strategy to get us a president in 2016 who will put American interests ahead of corporate and foreign ones and begin to restore the republic," then no, there is no strategy that has any chance of doing that, any more than there's a strategy that will allow me to throw a baseball to the moon. It's just not possible, no matter how badly we want it; there's no such candidate out there and the system wouldn't allow him to run if there were.

If you mean, "a winning strategy that will allow those who care about civilization to protect their families and create redoubts which will be able to rebuild Christendom after the dissolution of the current empire," then yes, I do think there's a winning strategy for that. It just has nothing to do with voting, and very little to do with who wins elections at the state or federal level from now on.

Anonymous Poli_Mis July 10, 2015 2:36 PM  

Tiny, it was actually more to do with the support of TPP as well since you mentioned it, this just gave me the drive to click the Unsubscribe button.

TPP could we be one of the final nails in the coffin.

Blogger Nobody July 10, 2015 2:37 PM  

I'll choose to look at other issues that matter more to me such as the federal debt, foreign entanglements, civil liberties, and the regulatory, welfare, and police state.

You are more than free to base your opinion on a piece of cloth no longer being hung in public buildings.

And we wonder why we are where we are today?

But don't you worry, just as long as we focus on the above, we'll all be okay! Screw the fact that they are destroying traditional white culture, everything that was/is wholesome and virtuous. Compelled to look in the mirror and be ashamed of our whiteness on behalf of other races and make them feel good.

"When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side.' I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already… What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.'" - Adolf Hitler

“. . .standards are for: They establish what children should know, not how they are taught or measured.” - Hillary Clinton

You just keep dumbing down white America, and all your cares up there won't matter one iota.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 2:37 PM  

I will embrace and write in our Lord Jesus Christ as Planetary Ruler...

No one else will be able to get it done at this point.

Anonymous DavidKathome July 10, 2015 2:41 PM  

I live in the USA, and I think killing Bin Laden was a bad thing, assuming that anything close to the official story is correct that it would have been possible to take him alive. The testimony at his trial would have been quite illuminating and it would have told us who was criminally complicit in his actions over the past few decades in both the US and Saudi governments.

Which is precisely while killing Bin Laden was a good thing for those people with something to hide.

Anonymous Chris Ritchie - 0388 July 10, 2015 2:44 PM  

If you mean, "a winning strategy that will allow those who care about civilization to protect their families and create redoubts which will be able to rebuild Christendom after the dissolution of the current empire," then yes, I do think there's a winning strategy for that. It just has nothing to do with voting, and very little to do with who wins elections at the state or federal level from now on.

Great point!

Anonymous RS July 10, 2015 2:50 PM  

Here is Rand's actual words on the issue. You guys are worse than Maddow in regards to flipping out about reasonable opinions Rand holds.

"“I think the flag is inescapably a symbol of human bondage and slavery, and particularly when people use it, you know, obviously for murder and to justify hated so vicious that you would kill somebody, I think that that symbolism needs to end. And I think South Carolina is doing the right thing.

I think it’s, obviously, it’s a decision for South Carolina to maker, but if I was in South Carolina that’s what I would vote to do and I would recommend to anyone who asked me my opinion. There have been people who have used it for southern pride and heritage and all of that but really to I think to every African-American in the country it’s a symbolism of slavery to them and now it’s a symbol of murder for this young man and so I think it’s time to put it in a museum.”"

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 2:52 PM  

Bin Laden was already long dead when they killed him in Pakistan and tossed his body into the Ocean out of respect for the body. Just ask the members of Seal Team 6 who conducted the raid. Oh wait, all but a couple are dead when their "helicopter exploded... again, shortly after the successful raid and killing". Altitude trigger anyone???

This just gets better and better.

Blogger Danby July 10, 2015 2:52 PM  

Your choice. If we have even a sliver of a chance to win people over, we should try. I'm appealing to your conscience.

There's your error. You're welcome

The underlying problem is that we have not party in this country that represents the interests of the (still) majority, the White Christian working class.

The majority belong to the GOP, but only because the Dems told them to F off decades ago (hello, 1972!) They seem to be enthralled to whichever party they are in, and unwilling to leave.

Trump is gaining traction because, and only because, he is directly addressing what is actually bothering the majority.

For now, I'm supporting Trump because I think he's the best cahnce to destroy the GOP, to drive out the money men and the consultants who hate me, hate my religion, hate my class and want us all to just vote for them and shut up. Since the conservatives won't leave the parties (and yes there are quite a few in the Dem party too), we need to bust up the GOP, the way Teddy did.

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2015 2:53 PM  

Today.

"I think the flag is inescapably a symbol of human bondage and slavery...I think that symbolism needs to end.

Tomorrow.

"I think the cross is inescapably a symbol of human intolerance and hatred...I think that symbolism needs to end.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 2:54 PM  

The United States flag flew over slavery and oppression a lot longer than the Battle Flag of the Army of Virginia.

Kind of like Mexicans love of Spanish, the language of their conquest, rape and oppression.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 3:00 PM  

When these turds start holding their town halls, we all need to show up, tell the handlers we are supporters and want to ask softball questions, then get up to the mic and let er rip.

Embarrass these turd floaters at every opportunity.

Blogger Keef July 10, 2015 3:00 PM  

Nobody,

You're making me laugh. And you are collectivizing a personal preference I stated. I didn't say you can't focus on immigration or that others shouldn't. I'm saying it isn't the single most important point to me.

Throwing around some chopped up Hitler and Hillary quotes was funny too, albeit irrelevant.

The Confederate Battle Flag is not the end all be all of traditional culture for every white person. I'm not from the south so I won't purport to know what is and is not really really important to southerners.

I will call you on collectivizing white people in America.

Blogger M Cephas July 10, 2015 3:01 PM  

" It's just not possible, no matter how badly we want it; there's no such candidate out there and the system wouldn't allow him to run if there were."
"yes, I do think there's a winning strategy for that. It just has nothing to do with voting, and very little to do with who wins elections at the state or federal level from now on."

You are probably right. But I cannot get down with not even trying. If there is a candidate that sounds promising, like Ron Paul did when he was running, I would at least see what happens, even if only for amusement.

Imagine if Ron Paul had your attitude. He would not have ran. Millions of people were introduced to libertarian ideas because of him.

Anonymous RS July 10, 2015 3:09 PM  

Porky - you do realize there are no crosses hanging over state and federal buildings, right?

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 3:10 PM  

You could have George Washington elected and by April of the same year he will be destroyed.

Stupid, drug addled cripples cannot be counted on to act in the country's best interest but always in their best interest.

In the next few years, America will most resemble East Germany circa 1982 with a little Balkan flavor added to spice it up.

Blogger Tiny Tim July 10, 2015 3:12 PM  

Like Celente says "when people lose everything they have nothing left to lose".

That unfortunately seems to be our only hope considering we won't stand up to little Johhny's school teacher who is showing him how to insert a penis into his rumpus.

Blogger CM July 10, 2015 3:15 PM  

Porky - you do realize there are no crosses hanging over state and federal buildings, right?

You do realize the [modified] statement is justifiably angering without it pertaining to symbols over state buildings, right?

Blogger Marissa July 10, 2015 3:16 PM  

Here is Rand's actual words on the issue. You guys are worse than Maddow in regards to flipping out about reasonable opinions Rand holds.

That's not a reasonable opinion.

There have been people who have used it for southern pride and heritage and all of that but really to I think to every African-American in the country it’s a symbolism of slavery to them and now it’s a symbol of murder for this young man and so I think it’s time to put it in a museum.

And there are black folks who don't care about it. In fact, most black folks in this country don't even care about slavery, they care about EBT and rap music. Rand bows down to 14% of the population who aren't going to vote for him and could not care less whether he tries to get their vote. He's a poor candidate for leading a country that is being torn apart on racial grounds because he sympathizes and supplicates with the wrong people.

I will call you on collectivizing white people in America.

White people are already collectivized in America. We're responsible for every bad thing any minority has every experienced and yet for some reason they desperately want into this country of murderous, discriminating pale faces.

Anonymous Chris Ritchie - 0388 July 10, 2015 3:22 PM  

M Cephas said, But I cannot get down with not even trying.

"We" have tried. By "we" I mean conservative Christians of every color. Did you know there was a very well-to-do black upper class in America? What happened to that? Johnson killed it with his Great Society. Well meaning voters first swept JFK into office. He was murdered by the establishment. Then they turned to his brother - also murdered. Then Reagan won in a landslide. In 1994, a Republican majority held both houses of Congress. Was Roe v. Wade overturned? Did taxes suddenly plummet? Was the IRS abolished? Under Bush 2, we had a Republican majority across the white house and congress. What was delivered? 2 wars, No Child Left Behind, and an expanded Prescription Drug bill that would have been the envy of Democrats.

The point some people are trying to make here is that the Presidency of the United States is not a savior of anything. Increasingly, the office is more dictatorial every year. Don't believe me? Look at all of the Executive Orders signed. Start with Nixon and move forward.

Listen, the answer is not political and especially not in national politics. When is the last time ANYONE posting here today was invited to the White House? Our last names aren't Koch or Buffet or Diamond or Corzine or Paulson. Face it, the electorate has zero influence these days. Your vote literally doesn't matter.

What I and a few others here recommend is to get involved where you can have a modicum of influence: locally. Get involved with your local school board. Figure out which companies in your area are surviving on JIT inventory practices and make plans to replace that in case of a system break down. Get involved in zoning decisions for business and residences. Ensure your county sheriff supports the Constitution and won't bend over to the Feds. If you have children, homeschool. Shop locally, not at the chains if you can avoid it. This is where your influence lies. And if you are fortunate enough to gain a large following, then you can start talking about national politics.

But this talk about getting just the right president to change things has been disproved right here on this blog many times. I have one name for you: John Roberts. So much for getting a Republican president elected to stave off the SJW's getting their way. Roberts caved on Obamacare. National politics is not the answer. Get passionate about something you can actually influence.

Blogger CM July 10, 2015 3:25 PM  

yet for some reason they desperately want into this country of murderous, discriminating pale faces.

You are vicious. Are you like this face-to-face?

Blogger Michael Banak July 10, 2015 3:41 PM  

Hello, again, Marissa.

My citizenship stands. I have more invested in this nation than you could know. And I have more skin in this game than you could imagine.

For what it's worth, any appeal I make on this matter is inoperative at the Federal Level. I am appealing to peoples' conscience. The rest will take care of itself.

You see, the splinter in your eye looks like a log in the eye of your adversary. Do you wanna win people over, or continue in tit-for-tat. I don't think that flag is worth more than the prospect for peace.

Of course we won't win over everybody, but I will take what I can get.

Blogger Joshua Dyal July 10, 2015 3:52 PM  

For what it's worth, any appeal I make on this matter is inoperative at the Federal Level. I am appealing to peoples' conscience. The rest will take care of itself.

You see, the splinter in your eye looks like a log in the eye of your adversary. Do you wanna win people over, or continue in tit-for-tat. I don't think that flag is worth more than the prospect for peace.


If only we give over the Sudetenland of the Battle Flag, then the reasonable people will surely ensure that we have peace for our time.

Thanks, neville.

Anonymous RS July 10, 2015 3:55 PM  

CM - but that's what Paul's comments were about, symbols over state buildings.

Anonymous KBT July 10, 2015 3:58 PM  

Vote for me! :D

My first executive order will be the immediate arrest of all mayors and city councils that have implemented a "sanctuary city" policy.

That's day one.

Blogger Marie July 10, 2015 4:07 PM  

RS- I don't think Paul's position is reasonable because I don't think he would take the same position if it was a symbol he did care about.

Blogger Marissa July 10, 2015 4:13 PM  

You are vicious. Are you like this face-to-face?

I don't get what you mean. You're more than welcome to elaborate. I don't think whites are murderous or discriminating; that is the language of my people's enemies. But it sure is strange that with all the white privilege and racism my people are brimming with, the immigrationists still want to flood my country with non-white victims, fresh for exploitation and whatever else SJWs whine about.

If only we give over the Sudetenland of the Battle Flag, then the reasonable people will surely ensure that we have peace for our time.

Seriously, this guy is like the most mild-mannered, conceding appeaser I've run across who still identifies as conservative. "If we only just give away our cultural symbols, the opposition will love us." What next? We've already heard, "if you only just give us a civil union, we'll leave marriage alone". Now we're forced to bake cakes for these sodomite abominations.

Reminds me of the purring SJWs and their moderate enforcers, "If you only just denounce Vox Day, we'll let you play with our Hugos."

Blogger Marie July 10, 2015 4:16 PM  

Marissa- I might be wrong but I think CM meant it as a compliment.

Either way, permission to steal your paleface line? That was awesome.

Blogger Nobody July 10, 2015 4:18 PM  

The Confederate Battle Flag is not the end all be all of traditional culture for every white person.

Baby steps. A little here, and little there. And well, here we are. Imagine where we will be. Well, not you, you will be dead, but for your posterity. And theirs. The New Man.

It's not JUST about that flag.

Anonymous Discard July 10, 2015 4:28 PM  

I do not expect any President to do anything for the American people. I just like what Trump is doing because it will encourage other, ordinary Americans to speak the truth as well. Just as taking down the Rebel flag and forcing bakers to bake homo cakes are victories for the Left, speaking the truth about immigration is a victory for humanity.

Anonymous Soga July 10, 2015 4:36 PM  

This thread is exactly why moderates are worse than useless. Especially the "conservative" concern trolls posting here, only to then claim they really weren't conservatives, so that makes you a stereotypist and an extremist-as-bad-as-ISIS for mistaking their fake moderate conservative posturing for the real thing.

Honestly, it's really fascinating how some of those concern trolls are using user names that we haven't seen here before today.

Observe that the snake oil they're selling here is the exact same snake oil the Republican establishment has been selling for decades.

Moderates need to FOAD.

Blogger CM July 10, 2015 4:55 PM  

Marissa - i did mean it as a compliment. Your comment was biting sarcasm.

I'm with Marie - it was a great comment.

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2015 5:01 PM  

but that's what Paul's comments were about, symbols over state buildings.

Couldn't care less about flags or buildings.

And no. Rand Paul was not just talking about the one flag flying over the capitol.

Anonymous 334 July 10, 2015 5:45 PM  

Now we're forced to bake cakes for these sodomite abominations.

Best line this week, Marissa.

Blogger rcocean July 10, 2015 8:56 PM  

If anyone has actually been paying attention, the SJW's are already discussing what the next step should be after the conservatives surrender and the Confederate flag is erased from American History and Culture. Some SJW's think the next step should be pulling down any moment to any Confederate, others want to stopping any Holiday commemorating and Confederate leader, and the last group -fairly small *now* -wants to go after the Civil war re-enactors and ban them. After all, why should anyone but a racist want to dress up like a Confederate?

Blogger rcocean July 10, 2015 8:59 PM  

Do you honestly think Sen. Paul would stop the SJW's from pulling down monuments to Lee or Davis or even Jefferson? He's made it clear that he's going to surrender on every cultural issue and that includes the SCOTUS.
He's already made it clear he's for open borders and Amnesty. Of course, he wants to fool the Rubes so he's talking about "Build the dang fence" or its equivalent, but he's a sell out on the issue.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 10, 2015 10:10 PM  

RS
The guy also had symbols of other [defunct] countries. He killed innocents because he internalized a collective guilt. And what was done in reaction? They agreed with him.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 10, 2015 10:21 PM  

109. Michael Banak

You sound like my wife. Some of us are called, though, to be of the type that "who kneel down to drink.”

Neimoller is someone you might want to read. Maybe, even learn about Cassandra, daughter of King Priam, in greek mythology.

At what point is the greater mercy in pushing/fighting back?

Anonymous zen0 July 10, 2015 10:37 PM  

Rand Paul does not have the political savvy of his father.

End of story.

Anonymous map July 10, 2015 11:30 PM  

RS,

So in Rand's actual words, the opinion of the African American matters more than the opinion of Southern Whites?

Gotcha. Quite a character you're defending.

Blogger Ben July 11, 2015 8:55 AM  

Is Rand the best candidate? Yeah. I'm with Josh on this.

Does that mean anything? Maybe. It's not like he has a high bar considering the rest of the field.

Could he actually make a difference? Nope. Too little too late.

We're well past the window of opportunity for repair. Controlled burn is the name of the game now. Time to load magazines and fuel the woodchippers!

Anonymous RS July 11, 2015 10:29 AM  

map - Spoken like a true woman.

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